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Speaker 2: Welcome to Jenkins and Jones on The Volume podcast and network.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, August twenty six, and we've got a

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Speaker 2: lot to talk about today, including the debut of the

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Speaker 2: unnamed named book Club. We're gonna be talking about Hanif

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Speaker 2: Abdurah Keebs. They can't kill us until they kill us

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Speaker 2: we talked about the first half of that book. Really

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Speaker 2: excited to have the book Club back. But before we

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Speaker 2: get into anything else, I have to introduce my two

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Speaker 2: best Internet buddies in the world, Dragonfly Jones Akay Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Everybody have a game the.

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Speaker 2: Jethro Jenkins aka John was that Bubba's and I might

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Speaker 2: a ka GUARDI B And we have new microphones. So

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Speaker 2: if it sounds better, congratulations to Jackson for his sounding

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Speaker 2: better producer. And if it sounds worse, blame it all

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Speaker 2: on him.

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Speaker 3: If that's the case. Hey, I think the book Club

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Speaker 3: was called fuck Football we reading. Now somebody hear me reading, bitch,

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Speaker 3: I think that was the night book club. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm down for that because you know, because football.

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Speaker 2: Right. Okay, gentlemen, could you click on the Twitter link.

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Speaker 3: Say you you sound like a professor my niggas. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: can you please turn the page eighty seven?

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Speaker 2: Jackson told us this is professional podcasting today, professional mics,

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Speaker 2: I said, I sent, I sent a prompt, but listen.

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Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, the big basketball story of the week, which

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Speaker 2: is why we have a book club that we're getting,

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Speaker 2: is it Steph Curry's parents are getting divorced. And I

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Speaker 2: don't really want to talk about anyone's parents getting divorced,

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Speaker 2: but Solomon Missouri had I would say one of the

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Speaker 2: best things I've ever seen on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Classic thread. You knew the first moment you read it.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the all timers in Twitter history.

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Speaker 2: So what I would like to do is a dramatic

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Speaker 2: Jenkins and Jones reading of this Twitter thread.

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Speaker 3: If you guys, let me send me I did.

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Speaker 2: I texted it to the group chat it should you

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Speaker 2: should have it in there. You have it one second,

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Speaker 2: one second, one second. It was the second of the

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Speaker 2: two that I said.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, wait, I don't see I don't see it.

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Speaker 3: I get it, Okay, okay, yeah, ye.

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Speaker 2: Christ I was like, you have an iPhone, you should

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Speaker 2: still be receiving text. All right, So I'm gonna go first,

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Speaker 2: and then Tyler and then John and we'll just alternate. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Is everyone ready?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Thank you again to Solomon Missouri for the best

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Speaker 2: thing on Twitter this week, art bud Art.

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Speaker 3: But let me tell y'all something. You don't want to

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Speaker 3: be out here. You think you.

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Speaker 2: Want to be out here because you're not out here.

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Speaker 3: When you get out here, you ain't gonna want to

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Speaker 3: be out here no more. Last time you was out here,

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Speaker 3: out here was different.

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Speaker 2: You think it's something better. I come to let you know.

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Speaker 2: The best you're gonna get is what you already got.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you don't want to do the work.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna come out here and ain't gonna like it.

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Speaker 3: All they do is start is start podcast and talk

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Speaker 3: about plate fixing. Have me read this on a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen minutes being out here, you're gonna start saying, these females,

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Speaker 2: if you can make it work, do so.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to be out here learning TikTok dances

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Speaker 3: and falling off milk crates, big facts, loves the wife

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Speaker 3: of your youth, but they want rounds. Now, you better

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Speaker 3: pray about coming out here frightening you think you think

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Speaker 3: it's a game to you in the middle of sixty

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Speaker 3: k people in a panty and she pointed her for

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Speaker 3: her at you, all hard rappid flow milli lyrics. Do

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Speaker 3: you like to freak charcoal I scream? You better learn

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Speaker 3: to like it. You don't know nothing about sneaky Glyn.

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Speaker 3: Now you're knocking on the door of a twenty two

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be wearing a hottie shirt by Thanksgiving. You

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Speaker 3: You better co listen and live in NDE and pray

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Speaker 3: about it. You don't have the cholesterol to be out here.

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Speaker 2: They're not eating butter pecan no more blue bell ain't

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be chasing seatles with red bull. Do you

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Speaker 2: Do you know how to make a mimosa? To them?

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Speaker 3: To these people are sixty percent crab leg, thirty percent

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Speaker 3: ice coffee, and ten fap.

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Speaker 2: Beloved. Whatever went wrong, go back and make it right.

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Speaker 3: They pegging out here. I'm not trying to scare you.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to prepare you. That's gang right there. These

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Speaker 3: people are children over Rihanna boring in the fires of chaos.

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Speaker 2: You're ready to leave your wife of thirty years till

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Speaker 2: you wake up and your body is surrounded by rose

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Speaker 2: quartz and moonwater.

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Speaker 1: My message is simple, del Curry, and it's to go

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Speaker 1: home and be a family man, street fighter me.

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Speaker 2: All right, boy, put it in hard, put it in

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Speaker 2: a museum.

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Speaker 3: I've been single for probably like six weeks of my thirties, bro,

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Speaker 3: and it was scary.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 3: I remember the round shit. I'm like, nigga, I'm thirty four, Bro.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I ain't got all that

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Speaker 3: for you no more. We dead out here, nigga.

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Speaker 1: You think you want to be out here because you're

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Speaker 1: not out here. But out here ain't like the last

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Speaker 1: time you were out like you said, and.

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Speaker 3: You ain't like you were last time you was out

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Speaker 3: here either. You feel me and the twenty All that

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Speaker 3: shit is cool when you when you grown, Nigga, that

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Speaker 3: shit tiring, Nigga. Look at it's my bedch hop, motherfucker shit.

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Speaker 2: Fathers sleep on the phone.

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Speaker 3: It's it's ten pm and I'm fighting, sleeping and you're

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Speaker 3: talking about round. Nigga. I hated being out there, nigga.

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Speaker 3: Fuck I just gave you thirty minutes and I pushed that.

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Speaker 3: Nigga apologized after thirty, Like I apologize for lying to you, Nigga.

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Speaker 3: You want another one of those? Motherfucker That was my

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Speaker 3: cordio for today. God damn shit, I'm staying out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the tweet that made me feel old.

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Speaker 1: It's fucking this is charcoal ice cream a big thing

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Speaker 3: I think that's the like those that's that's the that's

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Speaker 3: the the motherfuckers is out there and beat up chucks.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 3: probably would have you know what I'm saying. The nerd

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Speaker 3: people back in ten years ago are the chark charcoal liies. Motherfuckers. Now,

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Speaker 3: probably you feel what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think that the ViBe's crowd, the elevate your vibrational

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Speaker 2: frequency to match mine. Crowd believes that charcoal is like.

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Speaker 3: They brush my teeth with chark. Yeah, that's the same people.

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Speaker 3: You waking up and there's a whole bunch of rocks

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Speaker 3: seventh grade. And that motherfucker when you pull up, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I know the youngins were on a charcoal kit. Like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, charcoal is like a great fucking filter, And shit,

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Speaker 3: is that what they're using it for?

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Speaker 2: Like are they filtering an activated charker like alkaline? pH

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Speaker 2: thing I believe is the Nigga, we don't know, we

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Speaker 2: don't we ain't out here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know. None of us can answer.

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Speaker 2: I do feel like this is a this podcast is

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Speaker 2: an authority on the specific emotion of this thread. Because

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Speaker 2: It was like, I'm never getting married. You know, I

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get married. And now, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Netflix show married, married Mary.

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Speaker 3: This motherfucker. Yeah, you feel me? Who the fuck h

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Speaker 3: It took me a little while, but I learned my

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Speaker 3: I remember I think I tweeted just loved them until

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Speaker 3: like like you know some something that there's no no, no,

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Speaker 3: I do not feel like that, nigga. Fuck everything that

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Speaker 3: I said about relationships pre pre twenty and seventeen, Nigga,

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Speaker 3: that shit was bullshit. Nigg I was clowning marriage and

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Speaker 2: I was about to say, yeah, don't run the old

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Speaker 2: don't run the original podcast back. But you're so but

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Speaker 2: you're so much more con as someone who knew you.

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Speaker 3: You know, we talked about this shit like like you know,

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Speaker 3: That's a motherfucker chasing that shit. Now I'm just like, yo,

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Speaker 3: I'm hella happy, bro, you know what I'm saying. Hell content,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shar and I just celebrated our nineteenth anniversary. We're

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Speaker 2: thirty seven years old, so we're on the We've been

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Speaker 2: on that wavelength and it's better. Have you seen the

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Speaker 2: Onion headline about the guy who lives in his hometown?

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Speaker 2: It's like it's just like it's basically a headline about

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Speaker 2: how this dude's friends who all moved away, like chasing jobs.

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Speaker 2: They're like making fun of how like happy and content

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Speaker 3: You know, like right right right.

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Speaker 2: That's my aesthetic for this half of my life right now.

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Speaker 3: I love the woman.

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Speaker 2: What's that? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all got some big ship planning for the twentieth anniversary.

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Speaker 2: I mean we had some yeah, depending on whether the

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Speaker 2: would I would love to, yes, absolutely, Like but this year,

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Speaker 2: We're like, we'll go eat you know, fast food on

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Speaker 2: I don't want to really like go anywhere. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: all right. Uh. The other basketball story this week, which

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Speaker 2: We've discussed a lot recently, but Brian Windhorst had a

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Speaker 2: story up on ESPN about Neuralin's the first Noel suing

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Speaker 2: Rich Paul for fifty eight million dollars Rich Paul and

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Speaker 2: Clutch Sports basically for Rich Paul telling him to bet

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Speaker 2: on himself, like, you know, according to the lawsuit and obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll see how everything plays out in quarter

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Speaker 2: with the settlement is or whatever. But Nerlin says that

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Speaker 2: rich Paul told him, don't take this seventy million dollar offer,

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Speaker 2: this on the table, bet on yourself and you know,

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Speaker 2: get the hundred you know, hold out for the one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million dollars whatever. He ended up breaking

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Speaker 2: You should have loved the agent of your youth.

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Speaker 3: you talking about nigga? You crazy, bro? Like that's on you. Bro,

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying, I wait my time, motherfucker, I'm Rich Paul, bitch.

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Speaker 2: That would be quite a fucking twist. Like Paul George's

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Speaker 2: All right? That was uh that was Hoops Talkopshock with

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Speaker 5: That's how far we torn down for fucking oops talk

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Speaker 3: Like a land before time. Shit, they look like like

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Speaker 3: I don't know how I got there, but I was like,

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Speaker 3: So y'all we all tapped in. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Least interesting thing on planet Earth far far, far, easily

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Speaker 3: What's funny about that is my lame ass human self,

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Speaker 3: Like when I'm in airplanes is the only time I'm

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they're watching us pave a highway, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is our Thursday episode, which means we're gonna do

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Speaker 2: tenable and untenable very quickly. We didn't really have a

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Speaker 3: Thirsty as Nick, very thirsty, but understandably so honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my untenable thing for the week.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Tyler, So what we're doing tenable and untenable.

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Speaker 3: Tenable, I want to say, you know, kicking it with

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Speaker 2: It was most tenable weekend I've had this summer. To

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Speaker 3: I'm just I feel like as I get older, I

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Speaker 3: this motherfucker. I miss you. I texted her. While we texted,

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Speaker 1: not really in a rush to move.

431
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 3: You know, all my family friends here.

432
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's kind of different than you know,

433
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: your mom's twenty minutes away. You know, you can you

434
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: can be out riding and just you know, text home.

435
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: You have the crab about to fall through, and you know,

436
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: y'all just kick it for a few you know, little

437
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: shit like that.

438
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: Man, you know, right, like we said with this book

439
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 3: that we're reading, I mean, you know, we talk about,

440
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: you know, the one day we're not going to be here,

441
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: and it's very very fucking real, you know what I mean,

442
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 3: Like you can't ignore that in the book. And like

443
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: for me to look back and see that I spent

444
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: so much time away from the people that are most

445
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: important to me just seems like that, it seems like

446
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 3: a bad decision, you know what I'm saying.

447
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: You know, you know, so I don't know, Yeah, couldn't

448
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: agree more. Okay, we're going to open up our conversation

449
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: of Hanif Abdurah Kiebs. They can't kill us until they

450
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: kill us. This was Tyler's pick to kick off version

451
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: two of the Book Club, and as a reminder, we

452
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: read Roman numerals one through three next week we will

453
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Speaker 2: read the rest of the book, which is the second

454
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Speaker 2: half of the book, and then hopefully we'll be able

455
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: to get Hanifa on for an interview soon. But Tyler,

456
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: why don't you kind of, you know, kick it off.

457
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: You brought this book to us. I know John and

458
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: I are both loving it, But what are your sort

459
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: of takeaways from the first half of it?

460
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Speaker 3: Okay, so Roman numeral number one, Chance the Rapper's Golden Year.

461
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Speaker 1: This was published like after twenty sixteen or so, back

462
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Speaker 1: when we actually like Chance, you know, right right right

463
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: right when color and book was you know, a big

464
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: fucking deal. You know, that's an interesting passage where he

465
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: kind of know, juxtapositions the optimism that that Chance kind

466
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Speaker 1: of brought in a very dark year we all know,

467
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Like the first thing you think about that

468
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: shit is Trump. Of course, you know what I mean.

469
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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to dig too much into that.

470
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: But A Night in Bruce Springsteen's America, if y'all read

471
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: that one, that's where you know he reveals where we

472
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: got the title of uh, they can't kill us until

473
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Speaker 1: they kill us. I'll go ahead and read a passage

474
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Speaker 1: that takes us there if you want to open your uh.

475
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: Here, man, this is very teachery. She'd be very proud

476
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: of this doog.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I was watching the room right now,

478
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: but sure, yeah, so so so background story to a

479
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: night in Bruce Springsteen's America. Honey mentions that he went

480
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Speaker 1: to a Bruce Springsteen concert like a day after he

481
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Speaker 1: left the Ferguson Mike Brown Morial. And you know, it's

482
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of some subjective position going on here that I'll

483
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: explain after I read this passage here. All right, So

484
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: in Bruce Springsteen's music, not just In the River that

485
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: was the album that he was going to the concert

486
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: for the River, I think about the romantization of work

487
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: and how that is reflected in America rather for whom

488
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: work is romantic and for whom work is a necessary

489
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: and sometimes painful burden of survival, one that comes with

490
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: the shame of time spent away from loved ones in

491
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: a country that insists you aren't worked hard enough. In

492
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, Springsteen's songs are the same anthemic, introspective paintings

493
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Speaker 1: of a singular America. Men do labor that is often hard,

494
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Speaker 1: loading crates or working on a dock, and there's often

495
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: a promised reward at the end of it all. A

496
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: loving woman always waiting to run with you, a dance

497
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: with your name on it, A son who will grow

498
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: up and take pride in the beautiful, sanctifying joy of work.

499
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Speaker 1: I do not know what side of work the employees

500
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Speaker 1: in the Prudential Center came down on that night. That's

501
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: where he saw the concert at the Prudential Center. I

502
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: know that I understand being black in America, and I

503
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: have understood being poor in America. What I know comes

504
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: with both of these things, often together, is work that

505
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: is always present, the promise of more to come. Even

506
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: in my decade plus of loving Bruce Springsteen's music, I

507
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: have always known and accepted that the idea of hard, beautiful,

508
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: romantic work is a dream sold a lot easier by

509
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: someone who currently knows where their next meal will come from.

510
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about the question of who

511
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: gets to revel in their present with an eye still

512
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: on their future, and who gets discussed as though nothing

513
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: about them could be promising. The River stripped down to

514
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: its base as a romantic story about a guy who

515
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: has nothing trying to make his life and love's work

516
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: in the world that doesn't always give him breaks he

517
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: thinks he deserves. Hanging above Mike Brown's memorial was a

518
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: paper sign. It read, in all capital letters, they can't

519
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: kill us until they kill us. It seemed odd at

520
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: first to see this statement over the memorial of a

521
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: person who had been murdered and long buried. I think

522
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: the consideration, though, was that when you come from a

523
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: people born of a true oral tradition, you live lives

524
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: even after you are no longer living a life. Mike

525
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: Brown was flawed, but young enough to be romanticized in

526
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Speaker 1: the way Springsteen's romantics fleed all throughout The River, where

527
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: mistakes are large and beautiful and pointing to some much

528
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: more spectacular end. What I understand about The River now

529
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: that I did it before I saw it in New Jersey,

530
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: is before I saw it in New Jersey, is that

531
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: this is an album coming to terms of the fact

532
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: that you are going to eventually die, written by someone

533
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: who seemed to have an understanding of the fact that

534
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: he was going to live for a long time. It

535
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: is an album of a specific type of optimism, one

536
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: not afforded to everyone who listens to it. It is

537
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: an album of men and women and families and the

538
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: grand idea of surviving to enjoy it all. It is

539
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: often fearless and forward looking in this talk of both

540
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: love and loss, a loss. There's a conflict between dreams

541
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: and reality, of course, but the reality is still always

542
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: one of survival. So basically, you know, in this essay,

543
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: henieh talks about how you know he went, you know,

544
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: from a memorial of a life that was snuffed out,

545
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, and then he goes to Springsteen and Springsteen's

546
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: music is it's it's dreary, but there's always like the

547
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: light at the end of it, you know what I mean,

548
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: Like like he always has these his music, like I

549
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: got to get out this dead in town before this

550
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: depression kills him. But there's always that optimism of you know,

551
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: there's light at the end of that tunnel if you

552
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: get out of there, you know you can you can

553
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: make a better life for yourself and such. And you know,

554
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: Hanifa's like that's not the reality for everyone, you know,

555
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: we especially black people, we don't necessarily have this optimism

556
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: that there's some light at the end of the tunnel.

557
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: We're persevering here.

558
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and we're trying to just

559
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: survive rather than kind of you know, make it to

560
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: the other side where there's light, because there's not another

561
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: side for a lot of us.

562
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Speaker 3: And that we're talking about that I don't think it

563
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: was in that passion, but he talks about how being

564
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: black and just laughing and making love and having any

565
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: joy because we have to fight at every step of

566
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: our lives, like it's rebellion, and that the way he

567
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: put it was beautiful. But like, yeah, it talks about that,

568
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: Like I thought that was crazy, like how he encapsulated

569
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: the black experience and like three sentences, you know, talking

570
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: about how just showing happiness doing things of joy is rebellion.

571
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: But for me, what really like that we talked about

572
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: this when you're talking about I think the Fallout Boy

573
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: and Tyler that that passage that as I was like,

574
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: I'd like, I don't use phenomenal.

575
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Speaker 2: The essay, the longest essay in this half that we

576
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: read is about he and his friend Tyler, who committed

577
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: suicide watching the band Fallout Boy go like in person,

578
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: like you know, being at the show where they got

579
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: the name of the band. There was just like a

580
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: couple of dudes from different bands in the Chicago, uh

581
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: you know underground scene who formed this band and then

582
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: watching them blow up into this you know band that

583
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: that obviously reached you know, kind of international success, and

584
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: and along the way his friend committed suicide and absolutely

585
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: like one of the it's not it shouldn't even be

586
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: called music writing, you know what I mean. I mean,

587
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: just obviously like above and beyond that. But that's what

588
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: John's referring to. I know there are people listening who

589
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: didn't read the whole thing, but that's the little synopsis

590
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: of that essay.

591
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: But that's the best to me. I mean, that's the

592
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: best writing to me. But the most amazing writing to

593
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: me was the Prince one because he wrote about Prince

594
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: and I think it's hard to write about something something

595
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: like anything that's like that amazing, that's special and actually

596
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: like do it justice? Right, he wrote about Prince. It

597
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: was four it's three and a half pages, and did

598
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: Prince justice in three and a half pages, you know

599
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: what I mean. It starts off with him at the

600
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: super Bowl, and I think that there's a part where

601
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: it says he talked he's talking about the broadcaster telling

602
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 3: Prince you know, hey, it's raining and stuff like that,

603
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: and Prince is like, and he said, it's like, I'm sorry,

604
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: and what do you want me to do? In Prince

605
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: is like, can you make it rain harder? Which was like,

606
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: oh shit, okay, I'm shift. But what tripped me out

607
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: is at the end when he says, dearly beloved, when

608
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: the sky opens up anywhere, I would think of how

609
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: Prince made a storm been to his will, how the

610
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: rain never touches those who it knows were sent into

611
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: it for a higher purpose. Dearly Beloved, I will walk

612
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: into the next storm and leave my umbrella hang on

613
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: the door, please join me. That shit was so beautiful

614
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: to me that I fucking I put the book down

615
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: and gave it to Rob. I was like, Yo, you

616
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: gotta read this shit, you know what I'm saying, Like

617
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: I stopped reading because I wanted her to experience this

618
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: because it was just too beautiful. And I had to

619
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 3: sit down and kind of take that in. Like the

620
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: way this man writes, I think he feels different from

621
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: most people, you know what I'm saying. I think he's

622
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: like it. He writes about a lot of different songs

623
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: and like how it like we all listen to music

624
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: and it's all the background to what we're doing. But

625
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: I think, to him, music and life are one, you

626
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like the way the way he

627
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 3: writes is all, you know, part of it's it's it's

628
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: part of his life in the way that I don't

629
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: as somebody that loves music dearly, that can't imagine life

630
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: without music, can't quite understand. And I think the way

631
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: he writes and how it connects these things together is

632
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: just so beautiful. Yeah.

633
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: So so he wrote about how you know, Prince did

634
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: the halftime show at the two thousand and seven Super

635
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: Bowl in the rain there and basically you know, insummation.

636
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: He kind of said that if you are called for

637
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: a purpose, as you know Prince was called, was put

638
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: on this earth to make music, that you know, the

639
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: trials and tribulations suggest you know, the rain that that

640
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: that rained on Prince's performance, they're not necessarily trials and chribulations.

641
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: They're more of interordaining, you know. It's it's kind of

642
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: like you know, a nighting of you, you know, during

643
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: what you go through there. And I thought that was

644
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: a brilliant fucking spind to put on.

645
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: I think like he didn't even get his hair wet.

646
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: How he like he the whole time, you know what

647
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like he still he moved through that night

648
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: in that storm, and it felt it seemed like it

649
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: didn't touch them, you know what I'm saying.

650
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: And I think, Tyler, when you suggested this book, I

651
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: was like, first of all, I get excited. I love

652
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: reading books. My friends recommended me, Like I was excited

653
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: that we were doing the book club again. But I

654
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: don't really read a lot of music criticism, and so

655
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: I was sort of like, Okay, I'm curious to see

656
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: how this goes. If Tyler liked it, I'm sure I

657
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: like it, but it's not really the type of writing

658
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time on. And part of

659
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: that is because if a writer is hopefully this makes sense,

660
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: If a writer is smart enough to be interesting enough

661
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: to read, there's usually kind of a sneering in their

662
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: personality at like pop music, right like at Bruce Springsteen

663
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 2: or Chance the Rapper, or you know, there's a Carlie

664
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: ray Jepson essay in here that was it wasn't Crawty,

665
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: and I was so up in like this dude is

666
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: bringing that top level. I'm seeing like what John just described,

667
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm seeing things really clearly. I'm thinking about things really deeply.

668
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: But I listened to but he's writing about Fallout Boy, right,

669
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He's not like, well, you

670
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: listen to the radio, you know, and and I do,

671
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: especially given that he writes about you know, emo and

672
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: and punk and sort of scene music, especially there. I

673
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: mean like Green Day literally got kicked out of the

674
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: underground club that they came up in because they signed

675
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: with the major record label. They never set foot there again,

676
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: you know what. I like, that's the ethos of that

677
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: kind of music. And I do think there's that same

678
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: kind of there's that exists in rap and hip hop

679
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: to an extent as well. Though he's I think Chance

680
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: is Chance the rapper is really the only rapper he

681
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: wrote about in the first half of the book two Yeah, yeah, okay, right, which.

682
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: Was interesting as well.

683
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But I think and similarly, like he has

684
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: a I think he describes himself as a pessimist, but

685
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: he's but he also went to the Bruce Springsteen show,

686
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like.

687
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: That, he's a cynic inside of a cynic inside of

688
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: a cynic, you know what I mean.

689
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: But there's but he's also writing about music so hopefully

690
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: and beautifully like he's it's it's an interest. I'm really

691
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: excited to I hope we do, we do get to talk.

692
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to talk to him because I think

693
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: that perspective of someone who is a cynic but but

694
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: still thinks it's worth it. He still thinks that music

695
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: is worth it and life is worth it, and that

696
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: it is worth loving people even though they sometimes end up,

697
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 2: you know, having these horror you know, tragic endings or whatever.

698
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm really fascinated in writers like that, and I don't

699
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: feel like you usually get a lot of that obviously,

700
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: and people writing about Chance the rapper, you know what

701
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: I mean, Right.

702
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: I don't think he's writing about music. I think he's

703
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: writing about life. I think music it's just so such

704
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 3: a big part about it of his life, it can't

705
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: be ignored, you know what I'm saying. Like, and he's

706
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: had a particular type of experience, like he said he'd

707
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: be the only black person at these like you know,

708
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: these these heavy fucking metal you know what I'm saying,

709
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: Like concerts and ships. He's experienced life in a way

710
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: that I didn't probably know exist. I don't know existed.

711
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: I still am unfamiliar with that whole scene. You know, Tyler,

712
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: I think you the only person I really know that

713
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: would listen only nigga. I know. You know what I'm

714
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: saying that You know what I'm saying, Like personally that

715
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: listen to that type of ship as a shorty, you

716
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

717
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: And even then, and even then I don't go to

718
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: like shows. You know what I'm saying, right for sure,

719
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

720
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: But like you know what I'm saying, Like, weren't you

721
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: as a kid when there were snow days you would

722
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: like run and be like we are that you were

723
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: singing that song like because.

724
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: School, I was saying, the schools out for summer ship

725
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: and always when we got out early for snow and ship.

726
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah right, and dog like I don't know niggas singing

727
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: that ship in fucking elementary school, and you know what

728
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: I'm saying in school this shit? But yeah, so like

729
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: I love the fact that we are getting to experience

730
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 3: the world from his eyes, being that I don't know

731
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: anybody like him, you know, I don't I don't know

732
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: a lot of I heard a fallout boy. Obviously they

733
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: were enormous, But when he said Pete Winson, like, who

734
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: the fuck is this nigga? I looked at it. I

735
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: had looked him up, and you feel me, you don't know,

736
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel I'm seeing when I

737
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 3: see him, I don't know his name, and it meanshit

738
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 3: but him talking about his homie, you know, Tyler, and

739
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: all the loss he's experienced, and then you know, tying

740
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: it in with Pete Wentz's struggle. You know what I'm

741
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: saying with faint and being popular, you know what I'm

742
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: saying in the space where that's not welcoming, you know,

743
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, like I think that's I think I

744
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: think it's I think I'm great. I'm happy he wrote

745
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: this book. But I'm just it's what's wild to me

746
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: is like getting to see things through his eyes.

747
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: And he's so descriptive, you know, super descriptive, and you

748
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: know he's he's mentioned that, you know, death and loss

749
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: is just something that's just so so common to him

750
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to his friends.

751
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

752
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: You know, he mentioned that that he remembers dating a

753
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: woman when he was twenty two and and he she

754
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: told him she'd never been to a funeral, and he

755
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, is there something wrong with you? Or

756
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: is there something wrong with me? You know, because he

757
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: said he'd been through to a ton by that time.

758
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: You know, so is that common in that space? It's

759
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: like it's like like mental space. Is that it's like

760
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: a lot of overdose and a lot of you know, depression

761
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: and such.

762
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: So unfortunately, yeah, but who I mean, like it was

763
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: like we we it's it's it's it's very seldom do

764
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: you read something that the backdrop is death. And you

765
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, But it's still beautiful, you know.

766
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: And and like, yeah, you said you talked about this

767
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: Mike like all the hope he speaks of, you know

768
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like as cynical as he is when

769
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: he thinks about the reality of things, he is very

770
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: hopeful for the future.

771
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm still writing about rain not touching Prince,

772
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

773
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you know what I mean. And he's talking

774
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: about like his passing of friends and loved ones. You

775
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, in a way that is it

776
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's dark, but it's not sad, if

777
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: that makes sense, you know what I mean? Like you

778
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like it's it's he finds, he's

779
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 3: finding he's found ways to find things that are worth

780
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: hoping for in very dark moments.

781
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: Well we we've talked about this before, but I mean,

782
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not I'm not religious, like in the in

783
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: the in the slightest, I have literally like no personally

784
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: held hope of an afterlife. Like I it's just not

785
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: the way that I like live or see the world

786
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: or whatever. And he talks about that quite a bit,

787
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, in the in the first half of this book,

788
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: about thinking about the afterlife, about thinking about death and

789
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: what comes after it. And I've always found and I've

790
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: mentioned this on the show before, I've always found a

791
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: certain piece in that like that for me has always

792
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: been very useful in dealing with anxiety and everything. Remembering

793
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: like you're just a person with a job and a family,

794
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: and you won't be here one day, and it's very

795
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: unlikely that the thing you're worried about right now will

796
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: be a factor in the way anyone thinks about you

797
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: after you know, So, like I'm but I'm very interested

798
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: in that. I don't feel like I've seen a lot

799
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: of people express that, Like I don't feel like I

800
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: see a lot of writing about death or the afterlife

801
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: that I connect with in terms of the way that

802
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: I see things. So I've been very interested in that

803
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: because I've been at a lot of funerals and funerals

804
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: for kids that we've known and covered, you know, at

805
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: my job and everything where I've been going through some

806
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: of the thoughts that he is describing in this book.

807
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: I can't really, honestly in like music or books or

808
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 2: movies or any I can't really think of any place

809
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: I've seen that particular acceptance of mortality in a kind

810
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: of a positive way express. So I was really interested

811
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: in that and definitely was not expecting it in essays

812
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: about Fallout Boy and stuff like that. Right, I just

813
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: can't get over that. And John, You're right, he's not

814
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: writing about the music, but it is such an interesting

815
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: line to trace through, you know, the way that he's

816
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: thought about things for sure, for sure, good pick Tyler.

817
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, this shit fire. But y'all can't say I

818
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: mean dog, I mean, I guess I My choice is

819
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: belove it and I know it's dark, but you know

820
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: what I mean, like he can find he's finding beauty

821
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: and darkness, and I think that's what she does as

822
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 3: well in her writing. Like with the Bluest Eyes, as

823
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: depressing as it was in moments, the writing itself was

824
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: still beautiful, and I think that's what he does as well.

825
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: I mean, my pick that we're reading next by Clint Smith,

826
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: how the word is passed is about the like the

827
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: way that America thinks about slavery. So it's not it's

828
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: not a it's not a particularly upbeat book club.

829
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, but I mean regardless, I mean we're

830
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 3: talking about heavy shit, you know what I'm saying, but regardless,

831
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: Like I mean, like even even though it's even though

832
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: it's heavy, I think that we like it's like the

833
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: writing itself is so beautiful day it makes it like like,

834
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 3: for instance, we talked about how this doesn't relate completely,

835
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: but you know how watching bo Jack Horseman, you know,

836
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: if it was humans, it would be impossible to watch,

837
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: but because it's cartoons and like like not even human cartoons,

838
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: it makes it more digestible Because the writing is so

839
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: beautiful in these books, it makes the topics themselves more digestible,

840
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So I feel I feel

841
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm not I'm not. I don't. I

842
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: don't leave this depressed. I don't feel that way.

843
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: It makes no absolutely, I did just want to add that,

844
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: like Clint Smith is writing about slavery, but it's also

845
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: a poet writing writing nonfiction like it is, it's an

846
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: interesting aesthetic that we ended up kind of hovering around

847
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: without particularly like intending to or discussing that.

848
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: But like this this book itself, like seeing him talk

849
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: about his loved ones and the way he does, and

850
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: like like the people he's lost, and you can see

851
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: he doesn't say their importance like, but he talks about

852
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: the moments he had with them, which makes you so

853
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: you fully understand that you understand their importance more than

854
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: if he were to say they're important, right, And so

855
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 3: that's what made me think about them, like the most important,

856
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: like the most important people to me in my life

857
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: are not close to me, you know what I'm saying.

858
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 3: So for anything, it kind of makes me, it makes

859
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: me realize it's kind of like, I don't know, make

860
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: me truly understand the priorities and and my mortality and

861
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 3: the importance of you know, making the right decisions within

862
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: the moment, you know what I'm saying. So that's that's

863
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: that's how I'm that's that's that's so like, that's how

864
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: it's affecting me. Is like wow, like you know, I

865
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: need to make decisions that will allow me to experience,

866
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: you know, because I love my I've loved my life experience,

867
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: but allowed me to experience with my with more of

868
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: my people. And maybe COVID is doing that too, you

869
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So but yeah, like it's it's not,

870
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: it's not, it's not. I don't have that heavy feeling

871
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: after reading heavy topics, which is abnormal and it's superpower almost,

872
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

873
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Right, Like, like you know you you mentioned he talked

874
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: about Prince and his friend Tyler, who are both deceased,

875
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: and it's like he did them both incredible justice in

876
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: his works, right, Like I guess, I mean I came

877
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: away from those works of course, you know, missing that

878
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: Prince and I shit, I fell in love with his

879
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: homie just off like two peregras. He said, like the

880
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: first time they met, they didn't know each other he

881
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: fell down in the mashpit and this dude who he

882
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: didn't know, came up and picked him up and then

883
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, kept it moving right. And he said that

884
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: another time he beat up a white dude for saying

885
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: some Racis shit to him at another one of these

886
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: miss like, I like this.

887
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: Tyle of motherfucker.

888
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's a stand up dude, you know me

889
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: And you know, of course Prince, you know that goes

890
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: without saying so yeah, he's he's he's really good at

891
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: saying a lot without saying a lot, you know, Massa.

892
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: I would I would pay money. And I think bo

893
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: Manie Jones is the smartest person I know, right, I

894
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 3: think I think if you know Boumanty Jones, he's probably

895
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 3: the smartest person you know. You know what I'm saying.

896
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: And I would pay And I would pay money to

897
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 3: see them too, talk about Prince, you know what I mean,

898
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: Like I would like, I mean, like this dude is

899
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: just brilliant. You know what I mean it like, you know,

900
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: but I would pay money to see these dudes sit

901
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: down and have a real That's why I was thinking, like, damn,

902
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: I would love to see him in Bo have a

903
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: conversation in a way about Prince. You know, I might

904
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: not even understand half of it, but I understand the

905
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: beauty of that motherfucker.

906
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

907
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: I can see that, you know what I mean, But

908
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's fires fire as fuck.

909
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: Great pick, Tyler, great pig. You have any other stuff

910
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: you wanted to bring up or anything you wanted to

911
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 2: throw out there about it? Tyler?

912
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: I thought there was something interesting in the In the

913
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: Schoolboy Q as ay he wrote about how school boy

914
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: he wants I think the title school Boy Q wants

915
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: people to say the word, and it's talking about how school.

916
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: I think he wants them to. I think he was like,

917
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like in the in the

918
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 3: in a particular setting, he doesn't. He's not tripping off

919
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: of it, you know what I mean? What do at

920
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: his concerts?

921
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean and and and and he spoke to

922
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: that too about how you know, school boy Q says,

923
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: you know he has told white people that you know,

924
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: you can say a nigga and my conscious just gonna

925
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: say it out of here.

926
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: And he feels like, man, I mean, I don't think

927
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: you need.

928
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: To grant them permission for that and you're very optimistic

929
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: if you think that this is where they're gonna cut

930
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: it off at right, And that made me think about how,

931
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: you know Vince Staples, who's school boy cues homie, you

932
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: know from you know both La Area, l A Long Beach,

933
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, same same area, same upbringing, med But this

934
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: had a line on on on on his album where

935
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: he was talking about how he when he's doing shows

936
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: and he asked where my niggas at? And he sees

937
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: white people yelling back, he thinks to himself, y'all would

938
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: not come where I live. Y'all would not come kicking

939
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: with me where I grew up. Right while we're a

940
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: schoolboy Q, he's kind of you know, hey, I'm not

941
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: here without y'all. Y'all caught me out the hood. You know,

942
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: y'all can say niggas. So it's kind of like, how

943
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: is is? How is culture exchanged?

944
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: Right?

945
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: Is? Do you welcome people into your culture?

946
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: Do you have to have a shared as a school

947
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: boys doing or do you have to have shared experiences

948
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: as vinces you know his stances. So that was something

949
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: that that that I pondered that I considered there, I

950
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: think you.

951
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: Can welcome people into the culture without them saying nigga.

952
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: Though you know what I mean, Like, you know I

953
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: mean this that you know, the culture is much bigger

954
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 3: than that word. You feel me, Like, I mean, I don't.

955
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: I think it's I don't really I'm a schoolboy, like

956
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: from on TV. He's my favorite rapper. I've always said that,

957
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. He's not the best rapper orobacly,

958
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: but he's my favorite rapper. But I vehemently disagree with

959
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: that fucking ship. You feel what I'm saying. But like,

960
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 3: what's interesting too about Vince is I think he said

961
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: talking about struggling, looking at his looking at the crowd,

962
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: and and dealing with the fact that his crowd, the

963
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 3: people that.

964
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: That's bothered it's bothered him a lot.

965
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they look nothing like him or his homies. And

966
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: these are the people that, you know what I'm saying,

967
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 3: help him to, you know, ride around with the tesla

968
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 3: with no hands. You feel what I'm saying, Like it's

969
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 3: a struggle he's had. So yeah, that's that's interesting. Though

970
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: it's a different approach. And I mean for school boy,

971
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: I understand his approach being but he came from really

972
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: hard times. I remember him tweeting like, you'll trying to

973
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 3: support my daughter, I'm struggling and shit. This was like, uh,

974
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: before his first actual album drop. We had a mixtape

975
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 3: and this is like after we saw him at south

976
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: By when you know they hadn't popped yet. We've seen

977
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 3: him and Kendrick and dive bars like I think it

978
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: was called Peckerheads or some shit off of Sixth Street,

979
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, you know what I mean,

980
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: It was like and how and it was that was

981
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 3: only half the barker Heads. Yeah, on the other side, Yeah,

982
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 3: it was in Texas, Austin, Texas. On the other side

983
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: it was, uh, what's the name before after him, what's

984
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: your boy name? Big krit So it's like he was

985
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 3: only like using half the bar and you know what

986
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So they were this was before they really

987
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: was getting money, and so I see, like I've seen

988
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: him like struggling, you know what I'm saying and talking about,

989
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: you know, being on the you know, being on the

990
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: fucking couch at the studio sleeping there and shit, and

991
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 3: saying he had to carry the blicky to fucking you know,

992
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 3: football practice and shit because there were ops on his

993
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: same team at the at the community college you play football,

994
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: let and at this point, so I'm not judging the

995
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: nigga on some but if that's my nigga, I'm telling

996
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: him that's some fuck shit. And not in a way

997
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: that I'm like fuck you, but like that's fuck shit

998
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: for sure, you know what I'm saying, because he came

999
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 3: from a particular place that I just couldn't understand coming from,

1000
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1001
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: I think there's an interesting you know, one thing that

1002
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: Haney wrote about is is the the idea that like

1003
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: you certainly hear this plenty, that black people are like

1004
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: taking back the power or like weaponizing you know that

1005
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: word back by by reclaiming as our own or whatever.

1006
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: And I've always been like slightly skeptical of that idea,

1007
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: just because I don't think individually that was true of

1008
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: many of my friends or the kids that I still cover.

1009
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like that's just what they said,

1010
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There wasn't an conscious like

1011
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: in the way that maybe in the South or whatever

1012
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: that it was. But I think in that he brought

1013
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: up that idea of control and power and reversing it.

1014
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: It is kind of interesting that you bring up Vince

1015
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: Staples because white people also say the N word at

1016
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: Vince Staples shows. So the difference is that perhaps that

1017
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: schoolboy Q feels that he's in control by being the

1018
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: one granting them the permission, but Vince Staple shows. I mean,

1019
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: I saw Vince at I've seen him four or five times,

1020
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: so I'm a complex Connell in Long Beach. I was

1021
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: bothered by how many white people were saying the N

1022
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: word at a Vince Staple show. So whether he is uncomfortable,

1023
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: whether or not, whether school boy is uncomfortablehether or not,

1024
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: like that is the That's what happens in America. Like,

1025
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: you know, you don't really get to decide who like

1026
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: if you're going to make money off something. America takes

1027
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: your culture and and that's what it does. It assimilates everything,

1028
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, that's the combination of the quote

1029
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: unquote melting pot and capitalism. Right, Like if you like

1030
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: Fallout Boy, guess what other people like Fallout Boy too,

1031
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: and now they're singing to Paris Hilton. If you have

1032
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: a if you if you create a type of music

1033
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 2: that's for your friends and your community, and someone realizes

1034
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: they can make money off of it, and you want

1035
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 2: to make money off of it too. It's out there now,

1036
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm that is interesting that you brought

1037
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: out Evince, because it like that is a problem that

1038
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: the two of them as friends have approached from a

1039
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: different direction, but it's ultimately the same result if you

1040
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: go see their shows, and at least in southern California

1041
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: that's where you know, I've seen them.

1042
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: But my Adrian, you know, he's like he got we

1043
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: matter work this in the Smithsonian and shit right, so

1044
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: he's really popular, so people are really know who have

1045
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 3: people hit him up about work? You know what I'm saying,

1046
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: And you know, like he has that's a real issue

1047
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: selling work to people who don't truly understand it, who

1048
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: just wanted you know what I mean. Like I mean,

1049
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's made, he's he has a he

1050
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: has a you know, he's making good money, like tell

1051
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: us solid you know what I'm saying, Like you know,

1052
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: really successful dude, you know what I mean at what

1053
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: he's doing. But we were talking about that today, how

1054
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: like he has an issue with like you know, dog

1055
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: like certain people having his work you know and don't

1056
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 3: truly understand it. You feel me and I think, like,

1057
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: you know, but that's part of capitalism. He makes very

1058
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: very you know, black art, you know what I'm saying.

1059
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: His photos are very black. But you know people who

1060
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: just you know, want to have the piece to say

1061
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,479
Speaker 3: they have it, but don't really respect where it came

1062
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: from or understand or want to understand where it came from,

1063
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 3: you know, like you know, just recently in Saint Louis,

1064
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: like last year, I think there was like some people

1065
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: on the on the line, you know, on on the

1066
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: line of like Forest Park, like they were protesting. They

1067
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: came out on the line with guns, like like defending

1068
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: their home. Nigga, you live in if you've been to

1069
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: Forest Park and saut these houses in Saint Louis, I mean,

1070
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: these are enormous mansions, you know what I'm saying. That

1071
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 3: they're passed down through families, don't. You don't you don't

1072
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 3: have to worry about shit.

1073
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: You just really been just in the street.

1074
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 3: You get right, You're being You're just you're just being

1075
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: a racist asshole. But because his work is value to

1076
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 3: a particular rate, these are the type people that can

1077
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: afford the shit, So he has to deal with motherfuckers

1078
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 3: like this that you know, don't see themselves as racist,

1079
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, but have these views. And

1080
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: he struggles with that, so I get, you know, like

1081
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: that's that's a I guess that would be a similar

1082
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: struggle like where you're popping now you out here, you

1083
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 3: feel me, you know what I mean? Like as Vance

1084
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 3: the schoolboy Q, but you know the people.

1085
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: Who are Adrians? Adrians a dad that's right too, right,

1086
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: I mean, And that's like we talked. We had Shay

1087
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: Sauno about that. We're asking him about how aggressively he

1088
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: goes at at Trump people, and I really respected his answer,

1089
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: Like I've been poor. I know I can be poor

1090
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: and happy, but I can't put up with this type

1091
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: of person and be happy. But you know, you have

1092
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: kids that I think that's it's a real question of

1093
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 2: like if you're Adrian, do I sell my work at

1094
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: a lower rate? Do I close off a college option

1095
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: that my daughter right want in ten fifteen years? I mean,

1096
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 2: those are like real questions that I don't think there's

1097
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: a right I don't think there's a right answer to them.

1098
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it just depends on your own

1099
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 2: situation and views of the world.

1100
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: You know, but when you're selling content that is so

1101
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: closely tied to you, Ask Adrian, ask a boy, q

1102
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 3: as Vince. You know what I'm saying. It's a big

1103
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: part of you and your culture and the people that

1104
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: you know truly participated don't not. I mean a lot

1105
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: of people do when they respect it, but a lot

1106
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: of people don't. You know, how do you deal with that?

1107
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 3: And you know, like you said, Vincent the school boy

1108
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: found different ways to deal with it. It's all, you know, coping,

1109
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: you know, trying to different ways to cope with it.

1110
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: But it's difficult, you know what I mean, even niggas

1111
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: on that level. I have to deal with some bullshit.

1112
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying. You can't run from it,

1113
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 3: you know, in this country. But we got really on

1114
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 3: some ignored reading this though. You can't ignore these topics

1115
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 3: reading this ship though, you feel what I'm saying.

1116
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: All Right, that's that's our time for Jenkins and Jones.

1117
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Monday with the Booker Boy of

1118
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 2: the Week and uh maybe we'll get another ludicrous tweet

1119
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: thread to do a dramatic reading of I don't know,

1120
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.

1121
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:22,959
Speaker 3: But thanks for.

1122
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: Working with us.

1123
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: So are we not doing the book club again n

1124
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: till next Thursday? Or are we doing again next thursday? If

1125
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: that where I think that just makes sense.

1126
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: We'll just have it make sense, you know, do it

1127
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: weekly and then that gives people a little more time

1128
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: to to you know, put down whatever they're watching. And

1129
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: it's it's like, my thing is, it's like you could

1130
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: read one hundred and twenty pages in a week, you

1131
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, I don't I read that

1132
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: in like twelve hours?

1133
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: My thinggga, I'm not even probably like three or four

1134
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But I mean, like I

1135
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: have to do this. This was like summer's reading, you

1136
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1137
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 2: I didn't say nothing. I started, I started reading it.

1138
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: I started reading it last night. I think you and

1139
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: I both started texting the group chat and like m

1140
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 2: PM last right.

1141
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: Right, that's what you started reading it to be prepared

1142
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 3: for tomorrow, you know what I mean? Like we had

1143
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: but but yeah, like yeah, if if it wasn't like

1144
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 3: a requirement, yeah spress space that ship.

1145
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: Out a week for sure. Okay, all right, so we'll

1146
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: have the second half of this book on next Thursday's episode.

1147
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Monday. Thank you for working with us,

1148
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: Bye

1149
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 4: Bye.