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Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal

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Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for another episode of Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions

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Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do

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Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so

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Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. How is

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Speaker 2: your day going today? How are you feeling about life?

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been watching the news the past couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. I know there are many of us who

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Speaker 2: have experienced grief and then there's been some real scary

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Speaker 2: stuff on And sometimes when you see someone else experiencing

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Speaker 2: grief or worry, it can ignite the grief that you've

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Speaker 2: felt before in the past. So always, I say be

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Speaker 2: gentle on yourself. If you haven't taken me up on

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Speaker 2: this offer already, Chapter ten of my book is how

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Speaker 2: to Survive Grief, and if you want a free copy

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Speaker 2: of it, go to we Don't Die dot com. Enter

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Speaker 2: your name and your email address. It says it's just

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Speaker 2: the first few chapters of my book, but in truth

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Speaker 2: it is the entire book. Most of mankind has no

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Speaker 2: idea how grief can lock hold on us. And so

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Speaker 2: many things that we think are in our control, our feelings,

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Speaker 2: our thoughts, they really are not. They're part of the

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Speaker 2: grieving process. But there are things we can do to

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Speaker 2: move through grief to feel better. So please take me

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Speaker 2: up on my offer we Don't Die dot com. Scroll

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Speaker 2: to the bottom of the page and you'll see just

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Speaker 2: where to put your email address in name. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you've felt yourself emotional lately, know something that our emotional

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Speaker 2: center is how our loved ones communicate from the afterlife.

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Speaker 2: The more emotional we are might mean the more sensitive

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Speaker 2: we are to afterlife communications. You've heard that everybody can

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Speaker 2: play piano, right, Some people are just natural at it,

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Speaker 2: and some people it takes years, but of course they

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Speaker 2: can learn through practicing. Our spiritual development is the same

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Speaker 2: way some people find and you've heard these stories of

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Speaker 2: I saw people in spirit when I was a little kid,

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Speaker 2: and then there's others that in their sixties, seventies, eighties

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Speaker 2: end up learning how mediumship works. We all have the ability.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, they communicate through our feelings and through

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Speaker 2: our emotions. If you're somebody like me who doesn't like

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Speaker 2: to experience the negative ones and might eat something, or

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Speaker 2: some people drink something or others do other distracting things

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Speaker 2: to avoid feeling emotions, I recommend that we all try

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Speaker 2: to sit with those emotions and actually pay attention to them.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's our loved ones trying to communicate with us.

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Speaker 2: Here's something you can do. Take a picture of your

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Speaker 2: loved one, think about them, look at their picture, recall

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Speaker 2: our feelings, looking at a picture of our loved one,

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Speaker 2: talking to them. It's like knocking on the door saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: will you let me know you're still around, And don't

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Speaker 2: be surprised when all of a sudden other thoughts and

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Speaker 2: For those of us who knew him and loved him,

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Speaker 2: this task is much easier said than done. Not to

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Speaker 2: is nearly an impossible challenge. Bill was a pioneer in

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Speaker 2: the field of after death communication, also known as ADC experiences.

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Speaker 2: He is considered by many to be the father of

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Speaker 2: classic work. Hello from Heaven has helped hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: over the loss of a loved one. Generously, Bill made

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Speaker 3: bigger difference in the field of death and dying. And however,

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Speaker 3: And six months later, sure enough, I was there for

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Speaker 3: It was so incredibly loving. I've never experienced in a

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Speaker 2: Ross made a huge difference in Bill's eyes. Little did

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Speaker 1: on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: This is Afterlife expert Danid Brakleace and into the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast AM Aeronormal Podcast Network. Welcome back

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Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and you

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Speaker 2: are listening to a conversation I had with the late

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Speaker 2: great Bill Guggenheim, co author of Hello from Heaven. You

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Speaker 2: just never know when an ordinary everyday person is someone

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Speaker 2: who can make a big difference. So last he was

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Speaker 2: talking about a workshop with Elizabeth Koobler Ross and doctor

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Speaker 2: Raymond Moody was there.

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Speaker 3: How, Vanna went into another direction where a woman claimed

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Speaker 3: that her daughter had been hidden killed by a driver

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Speaker 3: of a car accident away when the daughter was walking

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Speaker 3: with a friend. So both these teenage girls were killed.

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Speaker 3: She had what she called a dream in which she

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Speaker 3: saw her daughter conversed with her. The dream was very,

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Speaker 3: very healing. It it had occurred about a year before,

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Speaker 3: it fully as being authentic and real and an actual

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Speaker 3: say how her son had seen his sister while he

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Speaker 3: And I had never heard of anything like this before ever,

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Speaker 3: anyone who had died. Was my praise was when you're dead,

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Speaker 3: white battery and the juice runs out. You throw it away. Wow,

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Speaker 3: those were live views. So I was I was very

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Speaker 3: skeptical about this. I thought it was very nice that

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Speaker 3: your teenage boy in little marijuana, who knows what?

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Speaker 3: Probably a drug reaction, And so that went away. But

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Speaker 3: then Elizabeth went on to narrate a story in which

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Speaker 3: deal of pressure on Elizabeth at that point, opposition by

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Speaker 3: even though she worked in a hospital and everything, and

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Speaker 3: although her background was from Switzerland. When finished, when Elizabeth

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Speaker 3: finished her long story, which is in our books, I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to go through it. You could literally hear

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Speaker 3: And so I went home with the idea, well, if

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Speaker 3: it happened to one person, Elizabeth Koola Ross, who had

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Speaker 3: I felt maybe taped to some other people now and

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Speaker 3: back then in nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight, late seventies

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Speaker 3: It was the interlibrary loan system. So I was able

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Speaker 3: in a book there, and there'd be one accound or

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Speaker 3: I figured if he wrote the book, it would get attention.

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Speaker 3: And well, Raymond never said no, he never said yes,

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Speaker 3: And he kept postponing me for years because and I

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Speaker 3: I finally had an experience of hearing a voice, my

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Speaker 3: old head say do your own research, write your own book.

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Speaker 3: It's your spiritual work to do. And so it was

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Speaker 3: could figure out what to do, yes, but I had

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Speaker 3: my messondolity, very simple. I called my former wife Q

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Speaker 3: Evidential. That's what I really wanted to supply in, something

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Speaker 3: which could convince me that these weren't just imagination, which

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Speaker 3: we were thinking or you know, breathed desire to bereave

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And the long story short, in

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Speaker 3: our book, we did have six chapters of why these

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Speaker 3: content of how they learned, what they learned and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: So with that I plunged. I had. My job was

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Speaker 3: to find ten people a week here in Orlando, Florida,

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Speaker 3: story short, we interviewed five hundred people the very first year,

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Speaker 3: and that led to being in contact with various bereavement

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Speaker 3: And we gave our first lecture workshop whatever you want

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Speaker 3: over three hundred people in it all beieve parents Wow.

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Speaker 3: different relationships, everything, and that's in the book. And Hello

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Speaker 2: How did you pick the three hundred and fifty three

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Speaker 3: Basically they fall with the categories we found twelve sounds

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Speaker 2: What are some of these twelve If you don't mind.

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Speaker 3: Hearing a voice, or sensing a presence, or feeling a touch,

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Speaker 3: it was comforting, uplifting, and even other people in their dreams,

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Speaker 3: Easiest one is the one I had, and that was

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Speaker 3: before we ever began a research. Judy and I were

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Speaker 2: Wow? Incredible story. So important to listen to those gut instincts.

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Speaker 2: And in Bill's case, he heard a voice. It's real, folks,

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Speaker 2: absolutely real, Hello from Heaven. Time for our next break

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 2: and we are hearing about Hello from Heaven from the

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Speaker 2: late Bill Gougenheim. He just told us a story about

462
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Speaker 2: hearing a message check the swimming pool where he found

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Speaker 2: his two year old boy floating and subsequently survived. Let's

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Speaker 2: continue and other.

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Speaker 3: People's Hello from Heaven. I received messages to look out

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Speaker 3: and check the bar, and in that case the bar

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Speaker 3: was on fire and would have spread to the house

468
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Speaker 3: or built board that aeroplane and then later on the

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Speaker 3: plane crashes. Wow, they're all the plane will crash. Won't

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Speaker 3: get on. Just don't get on that plane. If your

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00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: listeners don't believe a word I say, that's up to them.

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00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: But if you ever ever receive information about slow down now,

473
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Speaker 3: or stop your car now, or anything like that, please

474
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: be good about it and listen to that voice and

475
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: heat it because it will probably save your life or

476
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: at least prevent you from having a serious accident.

477
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: So let's talk about a few other these kinds of

478
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: after death communications, because I think we can have them

479
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: and not realize we're having. I'm like, for instance, smelling

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00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: my grandmother's perfume or something like that. You know, that

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00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: could be a very real communication, couldn't it.

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00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: It's a whole chapter in All from Heaven about that.

483
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: You can smell a perfume and cologne, favorite food, favorite beverage,

484
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: could be a sachet was reported. The sense of the

485
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: baby can be reported anything to do with smelling something

486
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: like that, And which makes them the most interesting in

487
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: a way, because this is a category of all the

488
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: types of experiences that other people can share and do

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Speaker 3: share easily. So let's pretend you're calling me from northern

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Speaker 3: Minnesota in the middle of a blizzards snow outside, no

491
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: flowers anywhere, and you're working in an office in a

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Speaker 3: big building, in a cubicle or whatever, and there's no

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Speaker 3: flowers and there's no colonne, there's no perfume of anything,

494
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you start smelling violets, which

495
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: may not even be a flower native to there, I

496
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: don't know, but you smell my life, and well, I

497
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: like to remind you that what you say your mother's

498
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: favorite flower when she was alive, and you, guys, feel

499
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: surrounded by lilacs and uplifted, and you feel a warm

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Speaker 3: hug from your mother emotionally, and you say thank your

501
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: mom or whatever, and somebody comes along and you go sniff, sniffles,

502
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: smell it. Oh yes, it's flowers, flylax, and they'll smell it.

503
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: And a third person will come along in a four

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00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: and aft. So these and we have one in which

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00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: twelve people all smell the same roses when there are

506
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: no roses there. So that's evidential, where there's two or

507
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: more people at the same time, in the same place,

508
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: sharing the same experience, again with no words involved, without

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Speaker 3: anybody saying, oh do you smell that, not prompting them

510
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: or listening Oh yes, yes, you know, cause you know

511
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: to say yes, but stay on their own noticing it

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Speaker 3: and commenting on it.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about telephone calls? I just want to

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Speaker 2: share something that one of the listeners told me that

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Speaker 2: her dad had a close friend who had passed away.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know how long it was after the

517
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: guy had passed away, but this gentleman's cell phone rang

518
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: that it was from the guy who died, and of

519
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: course he couldn't have dialed it because you know, he

520
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: was gone. So he the fella just assumed that, well,

521
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: somebody else must have gotten the number or something like that,

522
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: so he dialed the number back and the number had

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Speaker 2: been disconnected.

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00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: Yes, this was just coming in as we were finishing

525
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: our researcher where you would have had more on net

526
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: regarding cell phones, pagers, and computers, and people have received

527
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: messages on your computers and this is not an email

528
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: from us, you know us, somebody trying to make them

529
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: feel good, or somebody's trying to spoof them. This is

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00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: just a little message for them on a computer. Or

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Speaker 3: hearing telephone calls. It's not uncommon, it's not the most common,

532
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: but it's the smallest category. But one man wrote a

533
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: whole book on it called Phone Calls from the Dead.

534
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: He's a parapsychologist and who I read his book long

535
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: and many years ago. But what it is is imagine

536
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: your okay two forms. When is when you're asleep. Now

537
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: maybe you can accept it more easily that you're sleeping

538
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: and the phone rings that you hear in your head

539
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: and you pick it up and it's your ant parent

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00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: or your child or whoever it is. You can accept

541
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: that more readily than actually seeing them and person who

542
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: are you know during a so called dream, six stage,

543
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: ADC or whatever, and you have a two way conversation

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00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 3: with them, buy telephone and hang up, and that's that, okay.

545
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: But what about when you're wide awake. Let's say you're

546
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: in the kitchen, you're cooking or cleaning up, or some

547
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: other room of a house doing whatever you're doing, doesn't matter.

548
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: Wherever you are, could be a business even, and the

549
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: phone rings, you pick it up, and it's the voice

550
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: of your love one who died, and they communicate to you.

551
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: They speak to you, and you can have one way

552
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: or two way communication with them during this type or

553
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: other types of experiences as well, but to one a

554
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: two way communication and generally their voice then begins to

555
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: fade away and that's the end of it. But there's

556
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: never a hang up or a disconnect sound or a

557
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: dial tone. It just phades away. And in some cases

558
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: they can be on a cell phone there it can

559
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: show the phone number. But if you die, what that's

560
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: not valid or whatever. But we have the whole chapter

561
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: in the on phone calls yes.

562
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: What's the most common kind of ADC?

563
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: The most common one is perhaps not the most interesting

564
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: because it's the hardest to imagine, like you've already felt it.

565
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: But it's called feeling or sensing the presence. You just

566
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: feel the person is around you or near you in

567
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: your vicinity. And many people can point to where in

568
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: the room, like over to my laughter, to my right,

569
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: or behind me, and they can report a change in temperature.

570
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: Sometimes occasionally the temperature may rise or decline, sometimes drastically.

571
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 3: And they will also know when that's no longer there,

572
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: when the person is left. But they'll say, oh, that's it.

573
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: Mayory just died, or that's so and so. It's usually

574
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: somebody is not quite as close to them, and they say, well,

575
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, I'm upset because I'm thinking about them,

576
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: or something like that. So that's why I imagined this.

577
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: But really they are feeling it. They know what. But

578
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: because in our culture we discard so many things like

579
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: that as not real, they throw it away. In other cases,

580
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: it's maybe their deceased husband arrived or child. Others can

581
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: go on for months and even years, and what we

582
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: say is very simply is not that they just want

583
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: you to feel their presence. But they're not just letting

584
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: you know they're there. There's something you can do right here,

585
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: right now when you have that occur, and that is

586
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: sit down, relax, relax your body as much as you can,

587
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: close your eyes, take a few deep breats, just like

588
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: your untermeditation, and open your mind and ask we see

589
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: the message. At first, you're, you know, your mind just

590
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: turning away, usual mind shatter. But you should in time

591
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: receive a message from them, because they want to communicate

592
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: with you. Want more than to just give you a

593
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: fragrance for you to spell, or a touch or things

594
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: like that. They want to communicate something primal. And there's

595
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 3: a whole list of those. I'll be happy to get

596
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: into it a minute. But feeling the presence is the

597
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: most common, and I would say the sweep States so

598
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 3: called dream is the second was common. Here's the body

599
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: analogy because I was doing I have a lot of

600
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: time in the works. Now. How hard is it to

601
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: get hold of somebody today? You call them on the phone,

602
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: you get wife mail, right, you have to send them

603
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: an email. You may and may not get back to you.

604
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: For a day or two, you call them on and

605
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: on and on all these different ways, and yet we're

606
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: further apart of me. And the joke is about kids

607
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: who can text, and they're doing incessively, But if you

608
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: put the same kids in the same room together, they

609
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: don't know what to say to each other. And by

610
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: the way, they have no idea what to say with

611
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: real words right out of their mouth. And so we're

612
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: clos there by texting and tweeting and all this, but

613
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: we're further away from each other in terms of emotionality

614
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 3: and harsh health words.

615
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when I first got into this, I had

616
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 2: so much fear of telling people that I was looking

617
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: into life after death and looking for proof, and these

618
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: are the things I came up with. Bill. I thought

619
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: people were going to think I was crazy, so I

620
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: kept my mouth shut. And I think so many people

621
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: have had experiences and might be afraid to share.

622
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: That was the biggest surprise as we did our research,

623
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: because people said to us, I had my experience five years,

624
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: ten year, twenty years ago, and you're the first person

625
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: I've ever told, or you're the first people we've told

626
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: outside of my immediate family or friends, and so many

627
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: people said that that I knew our book, if nothing else,

628
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: would validate their experiences for each other. And that's why

629
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: we chose the format of having three hundred and fifty

630
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: three first hand accounts. It's not about Juliet Bill Googianhang,

631
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: and I don't care if we have PhDs, He's still

632
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: not going to reach more people than by having the

633
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: account and the experience's own words, first hand accounts, in

634
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: other words, that they can read and a sign for

635
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: themselves or these authentic or not. And that's what we

636
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: wanted to do, and that's what we did. And books

637
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: are not usually done this way because it's very little

638
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: of us in the book, and we're not trying to

639
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: be the experts. So this means this, and that means that,

640
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 3: and of course you must believe such and such. We

641
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: wanted their readers to read these accounts and make their

642
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 3: own objective opinion of what they thought it meant. And

643
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: I loved as one comment, you know on Amazon, this

644
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: guy I said, I believe it was a man who

645
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: kept reading a book and then throwing it against the

646
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Speaker 3: wall we're discussed, but then started to read it again.

647
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Speaker 3: And they said he could put it down well, there's.

648
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Speaker 2: Such a battle in our minds. Even as long as

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Speaker 2: I've been involved with this, you know, little voice in

650
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: my head sometimes tells me I'm losing my mind. None

651
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: of it happened, you know. I think we all can

652
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: find you know that we fight that negative.

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Speaker 3: You have to realize what we didn't really elaborate on

654
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Speaker 3: because we couldn't in our book, is what we regard

655
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Speaker 3: as these types of experiences or near death experiences. It

656
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Speaker 3: seems like this as being weird or different or out there,

657
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: and they're called parapsychological, paranormal, and other words meaning not

658
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: real as far as through science goes. These occur in

659
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Speaker 3: other parts of the world, such as Central and South America,

660
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: parts of Europe, the Far East, especially in the Philippines,

661
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: where people have these experiences at night, will say share

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Speaker 3: them with their friends and family members the next day,

663
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: openly and easily, and they're accepted fully. We're the ones

664
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Speaker 3: was blinders on. We're the ones that don't accept what

665
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: the rest of the world does accept. And it's all

666
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: because our whole society is so scientifically oriented. It goes

667
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Speaker 3: back to the Sun revolves around the Earth, and that

668
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: was disproven and this was a disclimer, and that was

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Speaker 3: this route, and science gradually ascended be the master of

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Speaker 3: the truth. And if science obayed it was true, and

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Speaker 3: it didn't, Okay, it wasn't true.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that the truth? Wow? We're going to go into

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Speaker 2: our last break, and when we come back, we'll hear

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Speaker 2: a few more words from the wonderful Bill Guggenheim, remembering

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Speaker 2: his work and remembering his life. You're listening to Shades

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Speaker 2: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 2: am Paranormal Podcast Network. Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades

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Speaker 2: of the Afterlife coming right up.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,

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Speaker 2: a dear friend of mine says we are only dead

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Speaker 2: if we are forgotten. Bill Guggenheim passed with a great book,

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Speaker 2: Hello from Heaven. In it are so many different accounts

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Speaker 2: of great reasons and signs that you can believe in

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Speaker 2: the afterlife. It's been te translated into many languages. He

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Speaker 2: has spoken on the topic, not just to me, but

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Speaker 2: so many others. Take a look on YouTube. Type in

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Speaker 2: Bill Guggenheim. See who this wonderful man is. And I

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Speaker 2: say is because he is still working, no doubt on

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Speaker 2: behalf of humanity from the other side. Bill going to

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Speaker 2: raise a glass and toast you. A little bit later,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to continue on with just a few more

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Speaker 2: words from Bill. He was just talking about science and

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Speaker 2: if science can't believe something, we human beings tend not

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Speaker 2: to believe.

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Speaker 3: And if science obayed it was true, if he didn't, okay,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't true. And now the latest thing is is

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Speaker 3: consciousness located in the brain or is it out outside

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Speaker 3: of the brain? Non local consciousness? Whereas consciousness existing, we

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Speaker 3: don't realize we all were raised with the same religion.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying we're Catholics or products and Jews or whatever.

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00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: There's another religion we were raised with from first grade

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00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: or preschool on right through college and PhDs, and that

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Speaker 3: is science. Science is a way of looking at Earth,

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Speaker 3: life on Earth and evaluating it in a certain way.

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Speaker 3: And it's fine for physical matter, I'm not disputing it,

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00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: and energy in those things, but it's no good for

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00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: these areas and that. Yet we attribute it as being

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Speaker 3: intallible and having the last word and everything. And so

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Speaker 3: we're the ones who are starving and fearful about death.

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Speaker 3: I hear from the many Hawsess people, how many people

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Speaker 3: die hanging on to life with their fingernails because of

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Speaker 3: their religion and science. They're afraid that they're going to

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Speaker 3: go to hell or to oblivion, one or the other.

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Speaker 3: You know, right, that's a scary way to Yes, it is.

724
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Speaker 3: And they look at and they act it and they

725
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Speaker 3: speak it if they can speak, and that's the way

726
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: they leave this planet, leave this life. They don't have to.

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Speaker 3: That's between science and some performs the religious belief. That's

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Speaker 3: what there's not's with typically though, let me give you

729
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Speaker 3: the positive. The positive is that many people, even if

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Speaker 3: they've been in a coma well for a few moments

731
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Speaker 3: before they make their transition, they open their eyes, they

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Speaker 3: sit up, they're smiling. They will sometimes mentioned or a

733
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Speaker 3: point or indicate that their deceased loved one or one

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Speaker 3: or more loved ones are present and have a big

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Speaker 3: smile and in a way saying I'll be with you

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Speaker 3: in a moment. And then they take their last breath

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Speaker 3: and they're gone, that they have a whole welcoming committee

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Speaker 3: waiting for them and escorting them to the light.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: A lot has happened since Elizabeth Koper Lobster did her research,

741
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Speaker 3: and the books on near death experiences and our book

742
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Speaker 3: Allow from Heaven and all the other books when after

743
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Speaker 3: deathrification as they said earlier, and someone out of body experiences,

744
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Speaker 3: and the number of celebrities that have come forward shared

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Speaker 3: of their experiences in popular media. All these are kipping

746
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Speaker 3: away at this really agnostic or atheistic viewpoint that there

747
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Speaker 3: ain't no more and there sure is.

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Speaker 2: How many people would you say, have these experiences more

749
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Speaker 2: people than not? Or do you have any idea?

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Speaker 3: Yes? There was a poll conducted that indicates before we

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Speaker 3: ever began our work, and indicated that it was around

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Speaker 3: forty three forty four percent of all Americans have had

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Speaker 3: one and after death communication experience. Now that's if you

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Speaker 3: include all the population about now over three hundred million,

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Speaker 3: you're speaking about one hundred and twenty five million people.

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Speaker 3: About a third I'm going to say a third conservatively

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Speaker 3: has had one a third of the population. But then

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Speaker 3: take into account many people have never been to RIDD

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00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: certainly young yes, and many older people there's never been

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Speaker 3: that close to somebody who's died. Maybe it was a grandparent,

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Speaker 3: but they just weren't that close to that grandparents or whoever,

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Speaker 3: so they haven't dealt with this. Or if they had

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Speaker 3: somebody who come back, they wouldn't have recognized him more.

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Speaker 3: It would have blown it off very easily. Wow, just

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Speaker 3: just discounted it. And that's sad, but it's the way

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 2: I know I've spoken to people and they've heard stories

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Speaker 2: of other people that get these communications. Is there something

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Speaker 2: people can do to increase their chances? I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know you said to be open, and I do think

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Speaker 2: having a quiet mind, and like you said, asking for

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Speaker 2: communication is important. But is there anything we can do

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Speaker 2: or pay attention to differently to help have one.

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Speaker 3: What I say is, first of all, ask asking is

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Speaker 3: a former prayer if you like that word or not.

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Speaker 3: But asking is a form of being open. You're admitting

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Speaker 3: you there's something more you would like, So ask the

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Speaker 3: person we'd like to hear from to come back to

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Speaker 3: you in some form. So just playing to ask. But

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Speaker 3: this this sincerity, not just off the top of your head. Okay,

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Speaker 3: try with to me. No whe the cynical by it.

782
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear that's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Now you pray with to me and maybe i'll maybe

784
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Speaker 3: maybe maybe I'll consider No, not's not asking, I mean

785
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: asking was it be sincere or open loving heart? And

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Speaker 3: maybe they want to give a message to somebody else

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Speaker 3: and offered to be a service to them, to give

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Speaker 3: a message to maybe their spouse or another child or

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Speaker 3: whoever it may be. But asking is a form of

790
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: being open, and it's a form of prayer, and it

791
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: creates an openness in your mind, in your emotions, and

792
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Speaker 3: you're in the possible for what is possible. Because that's

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Speaker 3: what we're talking about, what is possible. It's amazing as

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00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: they say that, I know atheists and foxhols, well here

795
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: nobody has to be an atheist or agnostics. So you

796
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: don't have to tell anybody if it doesn't happen, or

797
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: even if it does happen, you don't have to tell anybody.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what happens now. The other thing is, which

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Speaker 3: is very positive. Yes, learn how to meditate.

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Speaker 2: Meditation does take time, but quieting your mind and just

801
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: being in that present moment of mindfulness you can do

802
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: it in a second. Like I said in the beginning,

803
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: being present to your feelings is the entryway for so much.

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00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: And as Bill said, ask Bill was kind enough to

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Speaker 2: send me a beautiful laminated sheet called who Do You

806
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: Think You Are? And I'm delighted that it's also posted

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00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: on his website, Bill Guggenheim dot com. I'd like to

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00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: read this to you. These are words from Bill who

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Speaker 2: do You Think You Are? When you were born this

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Speaker 2: world with partial amnesia, These reminders will make your life happier, easier,

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Speaker 2: and more fulfilling. You are an eternal soul who lives

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00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: primarily in the spirit world. You chose your current lifetime

813
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: and physical reality aboard Spaceship Earth as a student enrolled

814
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: in the human experience to achieve spiritual growth in a

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00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: universe of duality. You carefully selected your gender race, color, nationality, culture, talent, education,

816
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: and other personal characteristics. All your choices will provide lessons

817
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: you will learn and lessons you will teach others. You

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00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: picked out your physical body, the earth suit you're wearing

819
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: to function in this space. Time to mention. One day

820
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: it will stop working and you will continue to exist.

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Speaker 2: You mutually agreed to your primary relationships grandparents, parents, part children, pets,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Be aware that every person and every experience

823
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: is your teacher. You chose Earth to experience human emotions

824
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Speaker 2: and elevate your consciousness. You're also here to learn to

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00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: love every person unconditionally. To master these spiritual lessons, treat

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Speaker 2: everyone with loving kindness, including yourself. To assure abundance, be humble,

827
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: serve others lovingly, express gratitude often, be understanding, compassionate, and forgiving.

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Speaker 2: Acquire serenity, courage, and wisdom. Nurture others and yourself. Be creative,

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Speaker 2: Always do your best, and celebrate life joyfully. To expand

830
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Speaker 2: your awareness and develop your inner intuitive senses, meditate daily.

831
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Speaker 2: This will broaden your spirituality and deepen your relationship with

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Speaker 2: the source. Learn to tune in trust and act upon

833
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: your intuition. It offers clarity, insight, and practical guidance for

834
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Speaker 2: all your situations, and it will empower you to make

835
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Speaker 2: your best decisions. If you can't recall your purpose in life,

836
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: pray it will be revealed. Of course, you have free will,

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Speaker 2: and you can live any lifestyle you are able to create.

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Speaker 2: You will receive everything you need for spiritual growth, but

839
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Speaker 2: not necessarily what you want. Your sole plan and consciousness

840
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: determine the experiences, people, and things you will attract. Do

841
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: not judge others. You do not know what they came

842
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: here to learn. Like the leaves on a huge tree,

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00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: all people are connected to each other and part of

844
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Speaker 2: the source. Do everything you can do to relieve suffering,

845
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: inspire healing, harmony, and unity. When your physical body dies,

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00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: when you graduate, you will bring with you all of

847
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: the love and kindness you have shared, your memories, and

848
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: the lessons you have learned. After your transition, you will

849
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: have a life review. You will relive every thought, feeling, word,

850
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 2: and action of your entire lifetime and experience how they

851
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: affected everyone else. Remember, you are a being of light,

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00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: an immortal spirit. You are enrolled in the human experience

853
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 2: to learn spiritual love, compassion, kindness, forgiveness, wisdom, peace, etc. Eventually,

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00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: your physical body will die and you will return to heaven.

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00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 2: There you will have joyous reunions with all of your

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00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 2: deceased loved ones who are looking forward to your arrival

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