WEBVTT - Listener Mail: This Page Intentionally Left Blank 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.080 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:09.840 Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. A 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.560 listener mail This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe mccormay. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.720 Can it's a Monday, the day of each week that 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.480 we read back some messages from the mail bag. If 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.239 you are a listener to Stuff to Blow your Mind 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.240 and you have never gotten in touch with us before 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.560 by email, why not give it a shot. You can 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.680 write us at contact at stuff to blow your Mind 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.960 dot com. All sorts of messages are fair game. Of course, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.800 feedback on existing episodes, that's always welcome. 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Yeah, I mean, 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.440 there are whole episodes in the past from a lot 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.200 of listeners, and certain episodes generate a lot of comments, 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.400 but they're there episodes in the vault that have never 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.520 generated commentary from listeners before, so you could be the 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.759 first go back, find something interesting, rite in about it. Well, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.760 we'll chat about it all right, let's see, Rob, do 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.800 you want to read this next message from Josh. Sure, Well, 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.760 let's see before this one a little introduction. This is 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.560 related to a digression in our episodes on Fear of 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:33.480 the Void about how some people need to apparently withdraw 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.800 to a relative vacuum, to a kind of void like 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.080 environment to focus on creative work. And there there are 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.119 different versions of this, you know, some people might have 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.920 like a featureless office with an empty desk and nothing 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.480 but their typewriter or computer, or like a retreat to 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.640 a place that's relatively free of distractions and so forth. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:53.920 And of course some people are exactly the opposite and 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.880 want to surround themselves with stimulating imagery while they're while 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:06.760 they're working. But Josh got into touch about that. Digressions 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.520 as high Joe, Robert and JJ I found your reference 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.440 to vacuums for art creation interesting, as I had not 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.880 thought about why certain circumstances are so helpful for different 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.760 types of art, especially with writing. Quiet allows my brain 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.160 to fully develop an idea without interruption and for a 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.880 story follow a cogent path without being pulled aside by 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.200 unwanted inputs. With writing, I basically need the vacuum of silence, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.880 whereas withdrawing and sculpture, I prefer music as it interferes 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.440 with my speech center, providing a different kind of vacuum. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.480 Although since I live in the Netherlands and speak less 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.520 than perfect Dutch, following stranger's conversations requires effort, so I 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.720 am able to tune people out. Making public transit, whether bus, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.320 metro or train a comfortable English vacuum for writing. It 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.160 also helps that on public transit. The most important vacuum 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.399 I experience is that since I am professionally a carpenter, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.840 I have an inability to do any work household chores, 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.320 providing a guilt vacuum. Thanks for the great four partner, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.720 Josh Oh, several interesting things there, Josh, Yes, I definitely 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.160 agree with you there about the I don't know if 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.320 I would have used the word guilt, but yeah, what 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.880 you call guilt vacuum or a responsibility vacuum. Sometimes it 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.239 can be helpful to like go to a different place 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.080 to get one type of work done because you are 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.400 simply unable in that place to get done the other 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.520 things that you currently have to get done, so it 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:32.440 like forces you to focus. Yeah, yeah, I always I 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.000 used to back in the day when I took the 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.680 train every day, I always like that about the train. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.680 It's like, oh, I can I can read on the train, 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.560 but you know it's going to go underground and then 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.720 I'm not gonna be able to connect on my phone 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.640 and worry about anything else. Or at least that used 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:46.760 to be the way it was. I guess now they 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.560 have wireless in all the tunnels so that people can 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.240 can just stress out NonStop. But time wise, when I 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:55.960 could pull out a book and felt like, well, I 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.960 have free range to just sit here and enjoy this 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.800 book right now. So I think we've heard from quite 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.240 a few listeners who tell us that they put us 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.800 on while they're doing like a visual arts drawing or 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.440 painting or sculpture. Yeah, it's true. We've heard from a 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:12.960 lot of a lot of artists. We don't hear from 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.880 a lot of writers who are like, yes, I want 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.520 to hear you guys chatter while I try and write dialogue. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.599 I think that would be a problem. Yeah, maybe, unless 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.800 you don't speak English. Maybe then it'd be just the thing. 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.800 I guess. I don't know that our voices are that beautiful, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.320 just in and out themselves. But all right, what else 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.440 do we have here? Joe? Oh, we've got one message 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.680 hearkening all the way back to our series on animal 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.960 throwing behavior non human animals throwing objects. This is from 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:50.599 ian Ian, says dear Rob and Joe. In listening to 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.400 your episodes on animals throwing things and the accompanying listener responses, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.400 I was struck by a pattern. Most of your examples 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.400 of mammals throwing things, and all of the listener males, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.440 at least that I've heard so far, involve the mammals 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:09.120 hiking the object backwards between their legs, rather than tossing 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.039 it up, as might seem more natural to a human. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.359 The reason this stood out to me is that my 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.520 grandparents had a dog that, when she wanted to play 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.480 fetch and no one would accommodate her, would grab her 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.840 tennis ball in her teeth by the fuzz and then 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.839 toss her head up and back, causing the ball to 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.200 fly up over her back and behind her. She would 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.960 then proceed to chase after it, as in a normal 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.719 game of fetch and repeat the procedure until she got 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.440 tired or someone took pity on her and threw it 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.240 for her. She had pretty good range too, the ball 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.160 often traveling ten feet or so before hitting the ground, 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.960 and of course it would bounce and roll farther than that. 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.880 At the time, I just thought it was funny that 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.520 she would play fetch with herself. I didn't realize the 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.440 mechanics of her throwing method were apparently so rare among 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.440 quadrupedal mammals in a similar vein. As well as similar 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.839 to the listener who said their dog would drop their 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.240 puzzle feeder down the stairs, my father in law had 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.080 a dog who would take her tennis ball to the 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.240 top of the basement stairs, use her nose to gently 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.320 bump it over the edge, watch it rolled to the bottom, 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.560 then run down to retrieve it so she could do 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.840 it again, just like my grandparents dog. She would keep 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.520 doing this until she got tired or someone started an 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.640 actual game of fetch. Another thing that stood out to 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.560 me is that, unlike Joe's story about his dog throwing 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.760 its puzzle feeder or the listener whose dog would drop 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.039 theirs down the stairs, Neither of the dogs I've encountered 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.000 doing these things seem to be getting any tangible reward 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.240 beyond just playing, though of course fun can be a 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.400 powerful motivator. Anyway, just wanted to share those anecdotes as 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.760 I thought they had both interesting similarities and differences to 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.039 some of the other things you discussed. As other listeners 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.839 have said, I love the way you can take something 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.600 seemingly mundane and make it so interesting. Thanks for all 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.360 you do in well, thank you. I uh yet that 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.040 is interesting. Um. Another one of the distinctions I remember 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.960 making in these episodes was that it seemed almost all 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.200 of the non human throwing behavior we found, with a 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.720 few exceptions, uh you know, the ones in primates who 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:19.280 do targeted throwing, and possibly the examples and cephalopods and 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.360 so forth, most of the non human animal throwing behavior 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.520 seemed designed to have an effect on the projectile itself, 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:31.000 rather than designed to use a projectile to have an 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:36.400 effect on the target. So, for example, the the oh, no, 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.680 I forget which animal it was, there was some small 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.880 mammal that would throw millipedes in order to damage their 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:46.880 their armor plates. Was it a type of mongoose or something? Yeah, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.560 And I think the dog in your example would still 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.720 fit into that category because the purpose of the throwing 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.920 is to do something to the ball, in this case, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.200 to make the ball go far away so that it 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.320 can be retreat for fun, rather than to hit something 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.160 and cause an effect to the thing you're hitting. Yeah, 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.600 And you know, we just recently finished up recording our 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:14.600 series on gray whales and orcas. Orcas, I don't I 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.840 don't remember we mentioned them at all in our episodes 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.840 of the animals throwing things, but there are flots of 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.560 documented behavior, particular particularly from the bigs killer whales, of 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:28.680 throwing seals around, Yeah, which I think is fascinating behavior 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.600 because it's not it's not necessary for the killing of 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.520 the prey, especially with the seal, that they can make 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.959 short work of it once they have it, and at 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.480 times it's like gets really impressive. I've seen images where 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.440 it looks like they're they're using their mouth to sort 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.000 of throw the seal about. But then there's the one 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.640 video on the internet with someone captured footage of one 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.679 appearing to sort of like punt it a seal carcass 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.640 with its with its with its tail and make it 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.200 fly like something like eighty feet in the air. It's 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.800 quite impressive and hard to hard to think about in 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.400 terms of anything other than some sort of a play 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.880 type of feature. You know. I'm to understand it. Sometimes 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.280 the animals they play with they're not even necessarily things 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.480 they're going to well eat in their entirety, which they 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.120 often don't do. But also sometimes it's not something they're eating, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.600 it's just they're seemingly playing with it. That's very strange. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.840 I do recall when we were reading up for these 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.160 episodes that marine mammals were featured. I guess we just 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.080 didn't get into them in the series, but maybe we 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:33.600 could come back to that. I wonder, yeah, why that 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.440 would be. I think there's one theory about the loosening 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.840 skin that may then subsequently be ripped off of the animal, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.560 but I haven't looked into it intremendous detail yet. That's grizzly. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.600 That's it's a grizzly world out there for the organ 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.280 that's true. But once again, this would be something where 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.760 if it's not for fun, the imagine the purpose of 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.280 it is to do something to the projectile, not to 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.720 like hit something with it, right right, Yeah, Yeah, they're 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.480 not trying to like they're not trying to throw a 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:14.679 seal at a whale or something to that effect. Yeah, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.079 all right, you know, turning to the world of Discord, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.200 we do have a Discord page, and if you want 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.440 to access a Discord page, shoot us an email. We'll 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.360 send you the link. That's the best way to join it. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.280 And it kind of keep seems to thus far keep 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.640 the Discord from being flooded. You know, it's kind of 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.120 a smaller community there, but we don't have just a 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.559 bunch of random folks there either. We have I'm gonna 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.040 just read. We'll start with let's sort of go through these. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.079 First one here comes from Fletch. Fletch says, the discussion 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.160 of the Norse view of the heart. This was our 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.720 Valentine's Day episode or episodes. Reminded me of the novels 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.319 of Joe Ambercrombie where one character is advised, you must 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.520 make of your heart a stone, and that becomes something 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.559 of a mantra for her. Okay, so this is connecting 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.920 to those texts from ancient nor culture or I don't 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.440 know how ancient, but at least pre modern Norse culture, 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.440 with the idea that like the heart sort of is 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:12.720 the seed of kindness and positive emotion and caring and stuff. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.280 And for that reason, your heart must be shriveled and 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:20.240 small to allow you the appropriate level of cruelty needed 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.280 to be an effective warrior. Yeah, it's a very grim 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.840 dark warrior ethos, So it makes sense that it might 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.360 be in a Joe Ambercrombie novel. I've not read any 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.240 Joe Ambercrombie, but I've read authors that are sort of 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:37.720 Joe Ambercrombie adjacent. I know nothing of Joe Abercrombie. It's 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.120 it's like dark fantasy or grim dark fantasy, depending on 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.360 how you want to describe it. I guess that's what 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.679 I've always heard. All right, let's see I should read 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.200 something from Discord here. Well, we got one message from 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.640 is this dricks? I guess this way? I read it 0:11:52.679 --> 0:12:01.360 in my head? Okay, Drix says. In terms of helping 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.120 the show, it was mentioned a few times to download 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.319 the latest episodes even if you don't listen right away. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.600 I never actually download episodes, but stream them the same 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.520 day or next Should I also be downloading them? Okay? 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.720 I apologize if we created any confusion on this. Okay, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.040 So here's what we were told by our people here. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.480 I can't speak to this directly. This is how it 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.920 was explained to us. There are some platforms. 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Whatever you 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.600 prefer is fine. Just be aware that some weird stuff 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.320 is going on with some of these platforms, and if 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.160 if you want to take an extra step just to 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.200 make sure you are helping us out, that would be 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.360 one way to do it, all right. Dipping back into 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.800 the discord here, a lot of people share on discord 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.000 various weird house cinema suggestions. One of the users that 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:18.440 does this allotted, Eric Eric says, coming in hot with 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.840 another recommendation because he was following up some of the 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.640 recommendations he had made any of the entries in the 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:30.120 original Yokai Monsters trilogy from the sixties, but particularly I'll 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.960 recommend one hundred Monsters. The creepy atmosphere mixed in with 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.720 some silliness makes these movies especially charming. The practical effects 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.320 and use of makeup and puppetry is absolutely delightful. They're 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.360 all currently on Shutter and AMC plus two. I'm gonna 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.760 say I've got these movies on the short list for me. Yeah. Yeah. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.040 One hundred Monsters was one we were talking about selecting 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.440 for the hundredth Weird House Cinema because it seemed like 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.960 that would that would make sense, but we went in 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.400 a slightly different direction. But it's still on the radar. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.520 But speaking of weird House Cinema, maybe we'll finish this 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:11.680 off with a weird house email. This one comes from Tom. Tom, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.320 says high Robin Joe. This is Tom from Canada. Robot 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.680 Monster is indeed an enigma. As an aside, if you 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.920 haven't listened to this episode yet or see in the movie, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.840 this is a movie from the early fifties that Rob 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.120 and I covered where Earth is invaded by aliens or 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.640 maybe just invaded by an alien, which is a guy 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.880 in a gorilla suit with a skull mask wearing a 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:41.400 like a astronaut helmet. Yeah, yep, that's it, and he's 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.800 called Roman. It's it's a very silly very entertaining movie. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.720 I would say almost at the levels of Edwood, like 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.640 it is that level of schlock royalty. Oh but a 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.760 piece of background for Tom's email here is we were 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.800 incredibly perplexed as to whether the movie is supposed to 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.960 be a dream or not, because as one of those 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.680 double fake out endings where it was all a dream 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.360 or was it? Because then the Roman from the thing 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.760 you know, it's supposed to be like the whole alien 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:13.840 invasion was a dream, and then Roman walks out of 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.160 the cave again. So it's like, what's going on? Yeah, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.560 very confusing, So Tom says Robot Monster is indeed an enigma. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.840 A part of the movie which might serve to cast 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.200 some clarity, though, is to know exactly when the Child's 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.800 dream starts. It has two potential starting points. Either when 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.960 young Johnny falls asleep in the desert with the others. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.960 You remember they're out picnicking on a blanket surrounded by 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.800 rocks and they'll just like lay down on the desert 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.880 sand and fall asleep. So that could be one point, 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.680 but Tom goes on which would make all the following 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.520 a dream escape, including the arrival of Roman and the 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.840 shift in the roles of the adults, or the dream 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.960 starts at the cave, which makes the arrival of the 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.880 Roman reel, but the story itself just a dream. The 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.120 ending plays with both versions, as the story goes back 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.639 to reality following Johnny waking up, yet still entertaining the 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.040 idea that Roman did arrive all the best, Tom, Tom, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.160 I think you've solved it. Maybe that's the second So 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.880 maybe it's it's a triple fake out. It's faking you out, 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.160 making you think that the whole movie was just a dream. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.439 But then the reveal reveals that only part of the 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.600 movie was a dream. The part where the humans are 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.600 able to defeat Roman is the dream. It sounds to 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.159 me like the movies in superposition. That's that's how we 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.600 should approach it. I think that's that's a good way 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.159 of putting it. 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