WEBVTT - 12/19/25: "PROTECT HER!" New Trump Epstein Bombshell, Brown MIT Killer Found, AIPAC Tracker FIRED

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday, Happy Friday Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been debating whether to throw on the Santa hat

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<v Speaker 2>or not.

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<v Speaker 3>I might do it later.

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<v Speaker 2>The topic is content is a little series at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the show, so I'm not sure I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be Santa hat it out here to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 4>I hadn't bet that that would be jarring. Crystal, I

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<v Speaker 4>think you made the right call.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's always my hesitation. Like with the Halloween costumes

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff too. It's like, you know, last year we

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<v Speaker 2>did it, and I did ray Gun, which was fun

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<v Speaker 2>and people really liked it. And I don't remember what

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<v Speaker 2>we covered today but that day. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>there's anything like too crazy serious. But yeah, it just

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<v Speaker 2>feels very off if you're wearing some like goofy costume

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're covering like, you know, a mass murder

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever or Epstein, pedophiles, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>So in any case, Jeffrey Epstein feels wrong. It feels

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<v Speaker 3>really wrong, doesn't feel right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So anyway, but we do have major updates in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of what we now know. Apparently, according to the government,

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<v Speaker 2>is the killer who shot the two students actually shot

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<v Speaker 2>in a number more than that. The killed two students

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<v Speaker 2>at Brown University and then traveled some fifty five miles

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<v Speaker 2>and murdered a professor at his home at MIT. It

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<v Speaker 2>was apparently the same guy he's now been found dead

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<v Speaker 2>killed himself inside of a storage unit. And let me

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and see if I can pull up this

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times article that just gives us like a

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<v Speaker 2>rundown of what happened here. Also, interestingly, just off the top,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently the tip that really blew the case open came

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<v Speaker 2>from Reddit, and it was like, a yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>not only Reddit. I think it was someone who was

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<v Speaker 2>homeless and sleeps in the basement of one of the

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<v Speaker 2>Brown University buildings. Saw this guy acting bizarrely, had an

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<v Speaker 2>interaction with him in the bathroom. Was like, this guy's

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<v Speaker 2>dressed weird, he's acting weird. He's acting weird around this car.

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<v Speaker 2>Followed him a little bit and asked him like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you up to? So anyway, that appears to

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<v Speaker 2>be the tip that blew the thing open. So in

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<v Speaker 2>any case, let me read from you for you a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Here they say a man's suspective carrying out

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<v Speaker 2>a pair of deadly attacks, one at Brown University that

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<v Speaker 2>killed two students and wounded nine more on another that

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<v Speaker 2>killed an MIT professor's home found Deadness Steorage unit in

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire on Thursday. The suspect's death, which the police

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<v Speaker 2>said was from a self inflicted gunshot wound, ended a

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<v Speaker 2>five day search that began on Brown's campus and Providence,

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<v Speaker 2>Rhode Island. Case book captivated and rattled New England as

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<v Speaker 2>investigators pieced together grainy surveillance footage and feared another burst

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<v Speaker 2>of violence. The search stretched across state lines, ultimately hinge

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<v Speaker 2>on witness interviews and providence, including a Reddit user, along

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<v Speaker 2>with records from a car rental agency in Boston and

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<v Speaker 2>search warrant in Salem, New Hampshire. Nothing can really fully

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<v Speaker 2>bring closure to the lives that have been shadow of

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<v Speaker 2>the past week. This may allow our community to move forward.

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<v Speaker 2>So law enforcement officials identified the suspect as Claudio Manuel

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<v Speaker 2>Nevez Valente, forty eight years old, a former Brown student

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<v Speaker 2>who was recently enrolled at the university more than two

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<v Speaker 2>decades ago. Last known address was in Miami. Investigators still

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what the motive was behind the attacks. This

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<v Speaker 2>talks more about the anonymous tip, and then this gives

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit more on the suspect. So he

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<v Speaker 2>had studied physics as a grad student Brown in the

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<v Speaker 2>early two thousands. He's from Portugal. Became a permanent resident

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<v Speaker 2>of the US in twenty seventeen through a diversity visa lottery.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump administration is now seized on that fact to

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<v Speaker 2>say that they're shutting down the entire diversity visa lottery,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, you know, something we could discuss more. They

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<v Speaker 2>believe he studied at the same school as the professor

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<v Speaker 2>that he murdered, so in Lisbon. So they studied at

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<v Speaker 2>the school at the same time in Lisbon, so the

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<v Speaker 2>two might have known each other. Details of their relationship

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<v Speaker 2>remain unclear and still completely unclear what the motive was

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<v Speaker 2>for the you know, the mass shooting at Brown University.

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<v Speaker 4>So studied has been together. I believe it's studying in

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<v Speaker 4>Lisbon together even before Brown. So, yes, that's right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>which is exactly extremely bizarre connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is is very strange,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I guess you know, given that we

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<v Speaker 2>the public rushes to view these things for through whatever

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<v Speaker 2>like partisan or political lens. On the one side, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got he's an immigrant. On the other side, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>white guy, so from Portugal. The diversity lottery aspect of this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was reading more about it. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of an irony here. Actually put in place, the

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<v Speaker 2>precursor program to it was specifically aimed at getting more

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<v Speaker 2>Irish immigrants into the US because after the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five changes where there were no more like country quotas,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a sense that European countries and Eastern European

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<v Speaker 2>countries were being disadvantaged in terms of bringing in immigrants,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was actually some of the more kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like white nativist types that introduced this program because

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted more white immigrants. And then over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>as you had more of a diaspora from some of

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<v Speaker 2>those European countries, you know, Irish in particular, then they

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<v Speaker 2>sort of phased out of being really eligible for this program.

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<v Speaker 2>They could use the family reunification and the chain migration

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<v Speaker 2>aspects inherent in our immigration policy. And so that vis

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<v Speaker 2>a lottery still has a significant portion of Europeans who

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<v Speaker 2>come in through it, but it has skewed more towards

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<v Speaker 2>African countries, and it's it's meant to be for countries

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<v Speaker 2>that don't historically have a lot of immigrants coming to

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<v Speaker 2>the US.

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<v Speaker 3>Is basically the idea behind it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the other irony of the nineteen sixty five law

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<v Speaker 5>is that it was really geared toward the ninety seat fire.

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<v Speaker 5>They had this nostalgia for you know, Ellis Island and

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<v Speaker 5>all the Italians and Irish and Europeans who were coming in,

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<v Speaker 5>and so in sixty five they're like, all right, let's

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<v Speaker 5>let's open it back up and let more Europeans in

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<v Speaker 5>because they're you know, those are our those are our

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<v Speaker 5>white brothers over there, and they didn't want to come

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<v Speaker 5>like things were good in Europe, and American policymakers were

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<v Speaker 5>just kind of stunned.

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<v Speaker 6>Like what do you mean.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought we thought everybody wanted to come to the

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<v Speaker 5>United States of America. It's like the greatest place on Earth.

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<v Speaker 5>And instead, like you said, other countries filled the filled

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<v Speaker 5>those quotas, leading to then some efforts to correct it.

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<v Speaker 5>Be like, hold on, we got to get the hue

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit lighter. Come on, what's going on here

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<v Speaker 5>with this immigration policy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this one that was put in place originally

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<v Speaker 2>to once again lightened the skin color of the people

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<v Speaker 2>that came in over time now has shifted in its

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<v Speaker 2>proportions as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I think another interesting aspect of the story is the

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<v Speaker 4>frustration locally in Providence and on the Brown University campus.

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<v Speaker 4>So I wanted to roll this clip of part of

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<v Speaker 4>the press conference last night. There were two press conferences.

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<v Speaker 4>There was one in Boston and then there was one

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<v Speaker 4>in Providence. This is the Providence press conference, and you

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<v Speaker 4>just hear the frustration bubbling up.

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<v Speaker 7>Than from NBC ten, I want to go back to

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<v Speaker 7>the question I asked you Saturday night when I first

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<v Speaker 7>arrived on the scene.

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<v Speaker 8>There were no cameras in this building, and law enforcements,

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<v Speaker 8>some that are standing up behind you have said if

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<v Speaker 8>Brown had cameras in that part of the building, we

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<v Speaker 8>would have gotten this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just want to pause there and mention that's

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<v Speaker 4>not a small part of the story because allegedly the

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<v Speaker 4>suspect is then killed again.

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<v Speaker 7>And it may have stopped swirling action.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you ask that question for me?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I don't think we have said the locations of

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<v Speaker 9>cameras at Brown.

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<v Speaker 7>We have because why would they car agency.

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<v Speaker 9>We have twelve hundred cameras at Brown, but not in

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<v Speaker 9>that building. We have some in that building. It's a

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<v Speaker 9>large complex, and I think what you would see is

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<v Speaker 9>the video evidence in this case. From my perspective, I'm

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<v Speaker 9>not a law enforcement agent, has been incredibly helpful. The

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<v Speaker 9>moving of the person around the neighborhood. Those video images

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<v Speaker 9>they helped craft this case. So I think video was important.

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<v Speaker 9>And as the Attorney General explained at a recent press conference,

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<v Speaker 9>this individual was not spending his time on the Brown campus.

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<v Speaker 9>He came into a building on the edge of the

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<v Speaker 9>campus he left, he was in the neighborhoods. The investigation

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<v Speaker 9>focused on the neighborhoods. The video was there and that

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<v Speaker 9>was really really instrumental in crafting the case.

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<v Speaker 7>But you can ask them, yes, video played a big

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<v Speaker 7>role in this case.

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<v Speaker 8>The neighbors video, the rental car video, but not the

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<v Speaker 8>video in the building that he walked in freely, both before.

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<v Speaker 7>When he got in a confrontation and when he came

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<v Speaker 7>back in decided to kill people. You didn't have cameras

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<v Speaker 7>in that building. Just say it so you can give

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<v Speaker 7>us over it. And my next question, yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I I think we need to look back.

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<v Speaker 9>We'll look at everything that is done. But I do

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<v Speaker 9>not think a lack of cameras in that building it

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<v Speaker 9>had anything to do with what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>We can stop it there. But yeah, you can see.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the president of Brown under intense scrutiny also for

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<v Speaker 4>coming out after this originally happened and saying basically, we

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<v Speaker 4>think everybody should feel safe. That has infuriated the community

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<v Speaker 4>as well, because now we know again allegedly the suspect

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<v Speaker 4>did kind of go along with the theory saga had

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<v Speaker 4>floated about a potential unabomb or something in that ballpark

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<v Speaker 4>targeting campuses, and obviously it seems to have happened again

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<v Speaker 4>at MIT.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that I understand the sentiment as being expressed there.

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<v Speaker 2>I will also say that like that sentiment, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>is how we've ended up with a mass surveillance state

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<v Speaker 2>where there are cameras every day and we're all being

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<v Speaker 2>tricked totally, like, you know, like, oh my god, we

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<v Speaker 2>need even more camera like building that wasn't under surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four to seven and facial recognition and listen, the

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<v Speaker 2>public will agree with that person.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there will be.

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<v Speaker 2>An instinct of like, yes we have to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, install them metal detectors and we got to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure, you know, you're scanning their retinas as they're

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<v Speaker 2>coming in or whatever. And so that is how you

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<v Speaker 2>end up with the situation we are in where basically

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot really live your life without being under mass

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance from from the government. The other thing that I'll

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<v Speaker 2>say is, you know, disconnector from that is I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>curious to see where the conspiratorial minds go with this,

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<v Speaker 2>because now you have very unclear motive.

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<v Speaker 3>What the hell was going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>This one guy that the professor that he murdered, was

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<v Speaker 2>doing extraordinarily important breakthrough work with regard to nuclear fusion

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<v Speaker 2>technology and so and now this guy's dead, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>never know, He'll never be able to tell us what

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<v Speaker 2>he was thinking, or who he might have targeted next

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. So just brace yourself, for I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a lot of and look, I understand

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<v Speaker 2>because I myself am like, what the hell's going on here?

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<v Speaker 3>Too?

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<v Speaker 2>And of course you should always be skeptical of government claims, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just I am sure that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in for a lot of a lot of speculation

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<v Speaker 2>about what was really going on underneath the surface here

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<v Speaker 2>and whether this is really the guy and all that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and just a quick note, say, you cameras do

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<v Speaker 4>not solve everything. Like almost every inch of New York's

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<v Speaker 4>city is surveilled, and Luigi Mangioni was able to get

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<v Speaker 4>to what Pennsylvania New York City has this partnership with Microsoft.

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<v Speaker 4>There's like a lawsuit over it right now. Or they're

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<v Speaker 4>doing like constant biometrics from cameras that are all over

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<v Speaker 4>the city. So it doesn't solve everything. I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>interesting that I do think that this subplot is interesting

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<v Speaker 4>on the campus where there's mismanagement, because I wonder then

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<v Speaker 4>to what extent it's going to bleed over to Mit.

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<v Speaker 4>Not that the MIT professor was not on campus, was

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<v Speaker 4>at his own apartment in Brookline, but a seriously scary

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<v Speaker 4>situation in New England for several days. And now that

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<v Speaker 4>the man was found, the suspectors found dead, they're not

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<v Speaker 4>being clear about potential motives so far. There's plenty of

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<v Speaker 4>time for that, obviously to come out, but it also

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<v Speaker 4>leaves wide open the possibility that motivation remains a mystery.

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<v Speaker 4>Hopefully that's not the case. Hopefully it's clear cut and

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<v Speaker 4>we have information that comes up that makes it really

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<v Speaker 4>clear what was going on. But it is I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>when we were talking earlier about these connections that go

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<v Speaker 4>back literally to Lisbon in the late nineties and then

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<v Speaker 4>Brown in the early two thousands, you have, in the

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<v Speaker 4>case of the professor who was killed, a like leading

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear scientist. You have the vice president of the College

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<v Speaker 4>Republicans at Brown. It's all very it's I genuinely hope

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<v Speaker 4>that there's clear cut motive information out there because it's

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<v Speaker 4>it is like fodder for conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said, personal, well and Ran did you see

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<v Speaker 2>Israel jumped in to say, oh, we think iron did it?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, they were They were yes, because yeah, a nuclear

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<v Speaker 5>science is getting killed and they're like oh, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>like no, you know what, like you're the only country

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<v Speaker 5>actually that is just freely killing scientists and bragging about

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<v Speaker 5>it like you're projecting onto others. That's this level of

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<v Speaker 5>barbarity that that that did, certainly in this case, did

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<v Speaker 5>not exist. And when it comes to the uh, the

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<v Speaker 5>celebration of mass surveillance, it's interesting to note that the

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<v Speaker 5>three high profile shooters over the last year have been

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<v Speaker 5>caught by people. Whether you know, Luigi was caught by

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<v Speaker 5>a person at the McDonald's like, hey, it looks like Luigi.

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<v Speaker 5>Tyler Robinson if you believe he's a shooter there was

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<v Speaker 5>turned in by his family who were like, oh, that

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<v Speaker 5>looks like Tyler. And this guy caught by the Reddit

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<v Speaker 5>user who who just saw him suspiciously walking through the

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<v Speaker 5>Brown campus and followed him and then told police like

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<v Speaker 5>so that's that's old school.

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<v Speaker 6>So, you know, social policing, the community.

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<v Speaker 5>Rising to the occasion and saying this is this is

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<v Speaker 5>who it was, and then the police having that information

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<v Speaker 5>and then tracking it down from there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's kind of a mix, right though, because

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that Luigi and Tyler in particular were caught

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<v Speaker 2>is because we had those camera images, whereas with this one,

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<v Speaker 2>it actually truly was just this like reddit guy, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's acting really weird without even seeing I think

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<v Speaker 2>the photos are the or the videos.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, but I mean como yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>Well two.

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<v Speaker 4>And also that I think that's an important point because

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<v Speaker 4>with Tyler Robinson and potentially in this case, you have

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<v Speaker 4>to ask whether law enforcement, including the FBI, would have

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<v Speaker 4>been able to nab the suspect had someone not stepped

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<v Speaker 4>up and seen something or done something. I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>particularly true in the Tyler Robinson case when you have

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<v Speaker 4>his family doing the enormously difficult thing of turning him in.

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<v Speaker 4>Does is he in custody if that doesn't happen, or

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<v Speaker 4>does law enforcement, you know, in a reasonable time frame

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<v Speaker 4>track him down that It's it's sort of saves the uh,

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<v Speaker 4>saves the bacon of law enforcement to an extent to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pulling back cash once again, wasn't wasn't looking great

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<v Speaker 2>on this one.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The last thing I want to say about this is

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<v Speaker 2>you had people who were saying with confidence, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we think this particular guy and named this one kid

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<v Speaker 2>around university student and you know, his name went everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>large accounts sharing this guy's name and his photo and

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<v Speaker 2>digging into everything about him, and he had nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with this. They were also saying, Lori Lumer and

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<v Speaker 2>others were oh, they shouted Allahu akbar before they know, No,

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<v Speaker 2>actually they didn't. The killer did not do that. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>he was made some weird barking noises before he opened fire.

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<v Speaker 2>People make shit up and they dos people and like

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<v Speaker 2>ruin their lives based on, you know, a hunch, based

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<v Speaker 2>on like, oh, their social media profile looks like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and my political valance makes me think that it must

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<v Speaker 2>be must be a Muslim person who's like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they'll just casually ruin somebody's life. And we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>this happen multiple times. When they were still searching for

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Robinson, we didn't have a killer of Charlie Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>doing the same ship with a bunch of different people.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm one of our own fans of our show wrote

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<v Speaker 3>and said, please tell people.

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<v Speaker 2>To stop doing this. So please, I beg you not

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<v Speaker 2>that anyone's going to listen. Stop doing this because you

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<v Speaker 2>destroy people's lives and private people.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this will be the only thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest thing about them on the internet is that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people thought they they killed this high they

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<v Speaker 2>were involved in this high profile murder. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>I just find the whole the whole thing really disgusting,

0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the baseless accusations and always again designed to fit some

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<v Speaker 2>person into whatever political narrative they want to push with

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<v Speaker 2>regard to the killing. All Right, so we've got today

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<v Speaker 2>is Epstein Files Release Day.

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan's got a big.

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<v Speaker 4>Files release day to both of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, this is put on the Santa Hat soh Rocanna

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<v Speaker 2>and Thomas Massey partners together and Marjorie Taylor Green had

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a bipartisan push and enough Republicans coming

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<v Speaker 2>on to the discharge petition to force a vote on this.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump sort of back down, realizing he was in

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<v Speaker 2>a corner with this signed this law that says, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you have to now release these files or else

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<v Speaker 2>there will you will actually be in violation of the law,

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<v Speaker 2>so the deadline is today. You also had a number

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<v Speaker 2>of federal judges come in who were involved in the

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<v Speaker 2>various like Glaine Maxwell and Epstein cases both in Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>and then what was that in New York? Anyway, say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we we agree that these materials, now that

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<v Speaker 2>the law has been passed, need to be released. So

0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.960
<v Speaker 2>we know that material will be included, and every be

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<v Speaker 2>in Congress conveniently decided they would leave town early, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're not They're gonna be totally out of dodge and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure they're nowhere near whenever what comes out comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ryan, what are you you know, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think we should expect? Since you are I mean you

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<v Speaker 2>probably the foremost journalists on this at this point in

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<v Speaker 2>the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Julie K.

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<v Speaker 2>Brown, a few other Jason Leopold maas, of course, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think we should be looking for in this release?

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<v Speaker 6>And that's kind of you.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't put myself there that so many journalists have

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<v Speaker 5>been doing so much work on this, including Whitney Web

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<v Speaker 5>for you know, for so long.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we've we've got we're relying.

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<v Speaker 5>On this the Troncias stuff that's out and you know, Uh,

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<v Speaker 5>so I think that there could be interesting stuff out

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<v Speaker 5>of the grand jury testimony like that, could you know

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<v Speaker 5>there could be some serious breadcrumbs there if people are

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<v Speaker 5>wondering about the timing, the Trump's capitulation was very cleverly timed,

0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 5>like he because there's a thirty day timing, and so

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<v Speaker 5>either it was luck or he recognized like oh, or

0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.399
<v Speaker 5>his team recognized like if we do it right now

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<v Speaker 5>and signing in the law now, the thirty days will

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<v Speaker 5>land on the Friday before Christmas. So let's let's just

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<v Speaker 5>let's just we're gonna lose this anyway, better to lose

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<v Speaker 5>it now. Because so much of history, what we remember

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<v Speaker 5>of history revolves around how big a deal a story

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<v Speaker 5>was when it happened. And if a story just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of gets muzzled when it happens like it, it's really

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<v Speaker 5>difficult then to unearth it later as a major kind

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<v Speaker 5>of quote unquote historical moment. It's like, why you know,

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<v Speaker 5>some scandals are iran contrance. Some scandals are just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of nobody's ever heard of them.

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<v Speaker 4>I was thinking about the subs night too, because the

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<v Speaker 4>shutdown is what prevented the bill from being the discharge

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<v Speaker 4>petition from going through, and so it does. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it would be strategically, it would

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<v Speaker 4>make sense that it was intentional, But also I wonder

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<v Speaker 4>if it was just dumb luck because they came back

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<v Speaker 4>from the shutdown and immediately the discharge petition which they

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<v Speaker 4>were worried about, went through. They knew that was going

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<v Speaker 4>to happen. But if that's luck, that is some incredible luck.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you're totally right, Ryan, it'll ination too.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, and yeah, maybe they'll wait till five.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you can bury news though in

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<v Speaker 2>the way that you used to be able to, because

0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.400
<v Speaker 2>everybody's so it's not the same. The Friday news dump

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<v Speaker 2>isn't what it used to be.

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<v Speaker 4>And if anything, now that you have Christmas is on

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<v Speaker 4>a Thursday this year, a lot of people are going

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<v Speaker 4>to have a slow couple of weeks. Now you have

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<v Speaker 4>like online sleuths who are going to make sure the

0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.600
<v Speaker 4>story has legs because people have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>extra time on their hands over the next couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>True.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and Democrats yesterday put out some new photos that

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Dy'd obtained. They got more with Chomsky, just

0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:37.399
<v Speaker 5>very depressing stuff. Showing how much he was pealing around

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<v Speaker 5>with him and Ahood, Barack even and Bannon.

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<v Speaker 2>Also some weird ass like Lolita quotes on people's feet

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<v Speaker 2>and body parts.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you guys see that? Yeah, so I can pull

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<v Speaker 3>these up. Creepy, Yeah, very creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've also had The New York Times now deciding

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<v Speaker 2>to get in the game with a couple of significant pieces,

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<v Speaker 2>but one in particular. Yeah, there's the Lolita Lolita quotes

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<v Speaker 2>on various body parts.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's just really normal stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But the New York Times dug into his financing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know, Ryan you had some thoughts about that, but

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.880
<v Speaker 2>they also dug into specifically the relationship with Trump. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I can pull up some of the quotes here.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Jasper Nathaniel had pulled some of the key

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<v Speaker 2>quotes from this. But you know, I mean, this won't

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<v Speaker 2>be a surprise to any of us, because we know

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump and Epstein have this very you know, significant relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were some details here that were for sure new.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things is a an Epstein employee

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<v Speaker 2>from the era, recalled mister Trump, would occasionally send over

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<v Speaker 2>modeling cards for mister Epstein to peruse like a menu.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Trump modeling agency has long been one of

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<v Speaker 2>the like major red flags because these modeling agencies, including

0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean Epstein got close to Lex Wexner

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<v Speaker 2>and he has Victoria's secret and that's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, Trump was very close to John Casablancas

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of looked up to him as a role model.

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<v Speaker 2>His modeling agency was maybe the most infamous and notorious

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<v Speaker 2>for exploiting young girls, and he himself for exploiting young girls.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the you know, the modeling agencies have been

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<v Speaker 2>used as a front for effectively human trafficking, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>a documented phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's obviously disturbing piece of information.

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<v Speaker 2>There, You've got this gross detail where Trump would love to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they'd love to like publicly brag about their exploits,

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<v Speaker 2>put themselves on speaker phones, so whoever was in the

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<v Speaker 2>room had to uncomfortably listen to whatever their like sexual exploits.

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Apparently they called each other all the time to share

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.360
<v Speaker 2>this sort of information. This One woman says she remembers

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<v Speaker 2>one call in the mid nineties in which the two

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<v Speaker 2>men discussed how much pubacare a particular woman had and

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<v Speaker 2>whether there was enough for mister Epstein to fluss his

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<v Speaker 2>teeth with. On another of these calls, mister Trump told

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 2>mister Epstein about having sex with another woman on a

0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 2>pool table. This one is very disturbing. One of the

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 2>fourteen year old models who was brought to mar A

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Lagos one of these parties event type things, says she

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 2>ran into Trump's then wife, Marla Mables. According to her,

0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:22.919
<v Speaker 2>she says, during a trip to the bathroom, they ran

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:24.879
<v Speaker 2>into mister Trump's new wife and they had met earlier.

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Miss Maples classed her hands. Miss Coleman recalled, looks you're

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 2>in the eye. So this is the mother of the

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 2>fourteen year old model and says, whatever you do, do

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.160
<v Speaker 2>not let her around any of these men, and especially

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:34.880
<v Speaker 2>my husband.

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Protect her.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Marla Maples denies that that that she said that

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 2>and that that quote occurred. But in any case, some

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 2>new new details there about the depth and nature of

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 2>the Trump Epstein relationship, and I think gives some insight

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 2>into why Trump was very, very not excited about any

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:56.439
<v Speaker 2>of this information coming to light.

0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:03.880
<v Speaker 5>And remember Trump, miss teen USA. In order he's this

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 5>is from his own testimony, in order for him to

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 5>be able to creep into the locker room and look

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:15.239
<v Speaker 5>at the nude teens, like young teens like that.

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 6>He said this on he said this publicly publicly.

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so there's no question that aside from the gross

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 5>stuff he said like about his own daughter likes he's

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 5>a gross.

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Put into this modeling industry by the way, which if

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know know what he knew is a

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:36.680
<v Speaker 2>real interesting choice.

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 5>And and there's that quote he gave to I guess

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 5>was Vanity Fair or somebody where he said, yeah, Jeffrey

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 5>Epstein likes him young, So like, yeah, all of this

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:50.120
<v Speaker 5>is but yeah, probably not surprising to people that he's

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 5>as much of a creep.

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 2>I think it's surprising to some people in a sense

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.439
<v Speaker 2>with the young girls apparently. And I mean, you know,

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:01.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean this was always the glaring, like glaring blind

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 2>spot for MAGA when they were very focused on Epstein

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and revealing you know, the connections with the elite circles,

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, you guys do know that this man

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>was like Besti's with Donald Trump for a decade.

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.440
<v Speaker 3>You don't think there's going to be anything there. You

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 3>don't think there's going to be anything there.

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>So in any case, of course, you know what true

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 2>what Trump would say, Oh go ahead, m.

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, I was just to say it goes back to

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 4>the origins of MAGA, which is that Donald Trump was

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 4>standing up on the stage and saying, I alone can

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.479
<v Speaker 4>fix it, for example, because I know the system. Uh,

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 4>the same thing with the Clintons.

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 6>Like fourteen USA, I can fix the problem.

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 4>It was his whole but that but that goes into

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 4>this just a runner point is that he pitched himself

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.479
<v Speaker 4>to MAGA as somebody who was and created MAGA as

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.680
<v Speaker 4>somebody who was the billionaire against the other billionaires. He

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 4>was part of the billionaire system, but he was going

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 4>to uh sort of disrupt it from the inside. And

0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 4>it is it is you know important. Then every time

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 4>he does anything but disrupt the billionaire system from the inside,

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 4>anytime he protects the billionaire system, anytime he's sort of

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 4>revealed to be part of that system, I think it

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 4>does you guys talked about earlier this week, Eve and

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 4>Soger did a segment on Harry Enton looking at this

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 4>pole result showing twenty twenty four Trump supporters. Strong support

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 4>from Trump is down from sixty six percent to fifty percent,

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 4>not super surprising, but at the same time it does

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 4>I think lead you know, Erica Kirk and endorse JD.

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 4>Vance yesterday at Turning Points big conference. That genuinely is surprising,

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 4>not that she would endorse him, but that she would

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 4>endorse him this early. And so there's it's setting a

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 4>tone for what the Republican Party with the kind of

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 4>populist wing of the Republican Party MAGA, is supposed to

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 4>do going forward. If you're JD Vance, you should be

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 4>looking at those numbers sixty six percent to fifty percent

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 4>and thinking very hard about them because of things like this.

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 6>And now if you want not that JD.

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 4>Like obviously JD is connected to Teal and all of

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 4>those people. So I'm just saying, like, the politics of it,

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 4>I think are kind of interesting.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 5>Now when it comes to Emily and I talked about

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 5>this a little bit on the show Wednesday when we

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 5>talked about the New York Times story, and I promised

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 5>or I pledged that we would try to have our

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 5>story out by Friday, and we did get it out.

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 5>The timing of the New York Times piece was helpful

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 5>to us, I think, because we had been reporting around

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 5>a lot of the same kind of period of time

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 5>that they said that they uncovered the and put to

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 5>bed the questions about like where he made his money

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 5>and whether or not he had intelligence connections, not making

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 5>any sense throughout the entire piece. Let me put this up,

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 5>I would highly recommend reading this piece. It's it's also

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 5>just fascinating as just a piece of kind of alternative

0:28:56.360 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 5>like espionage history, because it's fair to think of Epstein

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 5>almost as like the Forest Gump of the spy world,

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 5>like when it comes to Iran Contra. He's just everywhere.

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 5>And I highlighted this one paragraph from the New York

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 5>Times piece here where they write Jeffrey Epstein had been

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 5>spending extravagantly, and despite his lofty compensation at bear Stearns

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 5>and his work for Douglas Lease, he found himself strapped,

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 5>even occasionally bouncing rent checks. Back in New York, he

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 5>joined forces with John Stanley Pottinger, a lawyer who had

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 5>recently left a senior post in the Justice Department. Epstein, Pottinger,

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 5>and Pottinger's brother rented a penthouse office in the Hotel

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 5>San Mauritz on Central Park South. The broker Joanna Cutler

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 5>told us that Epstein initially stiffed her on the commission.

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 5>And so this is an example of some of the

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 5>really impressive kind of shoe leather reporting that The Times

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 5>did for this piece to track down all these details,

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 5>Like they got Johanna Cutler on the phone and and

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 5>got her to tell them, you know, that he's stiffed

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 5>her on the commission and confirmed this this Uh, this

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 5>arrangement in the penthouse. But as we argue and the piece,

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 5>if they had looked in the other direction, looked upwards,

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 5>they would have in this In this paragraph itself found

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 5>two details worth exploring. One that Douglas Lease is himself

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 5>an arms trafficker, and we talk about his his connection

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 5>to the Iran Contra scandal, which was it's called Iran Contra,

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 5>but right in the middle of it is Israel because

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 5>the United States was barred from shipping weapons to Iran.

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 5>And so the arrangement that we created was that Israel

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 5>would send weapons to Iran, which is comical if you

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 5>think about it, since they're but so Israel would ship

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 5>weapons to Iran. Uh Iran would then pay, would would

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 5>put money to the slush fund that Simon Perez uh

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 5>Barack and on Koshogi were organizing and then.

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 4>By the way, Trump by yacht, yes, this is Koshogi's uh,

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 4>this is Jamal Kashogi's uncle in fact.

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 5>And then the US would then backfill the weapons to Israel,

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 5>so so we weren't giving weapons to Ron, We're giving

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 5>them to Israel.

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 6>We would then use and then.

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 5>HESBLA then would release some hostages, American hostages that were

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 5>being held, and we would use the money to illegally

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 5>finance the conscious because Congress had said you can't finance

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 5>this this this uh, you know, this insurgency against the

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 5>Nicaragua leftist government, and so the Reagan administration used the

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 5>proceeds to put them there. Now, Stanley Pottinger was a

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 5>lawyer who was like heavily involved in the Iran Contra scandal,

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 5>helping to set up the flows of money, and so

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 5>they have so The Times found Epstein literally in business

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 5>with an Iran contra lawyer at the time that the

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 5>thing is unfolding, and Douglas Lease, who was also involved

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 5>with it, and he was and he was associates with Koshogi.

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 6>But go ahead, well, I was.

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 4>Just gonna say so Trump's NSA starting in twenty nineteen

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 4>was Matthew Pottinger, who is the son of John Stanley Pottinger,

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 4>which is when Roe Connor now describes the Epstein class.

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.959
<v Speaker 4>Here's an example of the Epstein class. Doesn't mean anyone's

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 4>necessarily implicated in this massive blackmail, right, It just means

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 4>that it's all being pulled from the same small pool

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 4>of people who are part of this like tightly knit network.

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 5>But Pottinger, in his defense, actually he died recently, but

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 5>he represented a bunch of Epstein victims.

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 6>I think he whatever his tea.

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 4>Although some people may be very suspicious of that because

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 4>it could look like controlled opposition.

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 5>Might be He's an interesting guy. He was almost ousted

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 5>from the Nixon administration as part of the Saturday Night massacre,

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 5>and he was like packing up his stuff, and then

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 5>at the last minute the massacre was kind of stopped,

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.479
<v Speaker 5>so he kept his job. He also in this New

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 5>York Times oh Bit, it says that he figured out

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 5>who Deep Throat was as part of this grand jury process.

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 6>He kept that secret.

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 5>He then he then made a fortune in real estate

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 5>in the eighties, and real estate. I'm not saying that

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 5>he used around contra funds, but real estate was a

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 5>major way that Iran Contra funds were laundered. Then he

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 5>became a novelist, best selling novelist, and he's according to

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.719
<v Speaker 5>his time Spy thrill it hasn't been published yet. And

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 5>then he and then he represented the Epstein victim. So like,

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 5>what a an arc. Yeah, that that guy's life took.

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 5>But then so you have all of this, the Epstein,

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 5>Epstein being close with all of these different Iran Contra figures.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 5>After the lid gets blown on Iran Contra, the CIA's airlines,

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 5>Southern air Transport, that was involved in this weapons shipments

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 5>and drug running.

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 6>Has to lay low for a while. And what we

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 6>report here.

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 5>Whitney Webb has written about this as well, but we

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.399
<v Speaker 5>have some new details from a journalist in Ohio who

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 5>covered this at the time. Jeffrey Epstein brought Southern air Transport,

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 5>the CIA's front company airline, to Columbus, Ohio. They ship

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 5>moved the headquarters from Miami to Columbus, Ohio to start

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.320
<v Speaker 5>trafficking lingerie and fast fashion.

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 4>For less wet trafficking.

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 5>So and as one friend responded last night, it's like, well,

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 5>this is something decent that Epstein did for the world.

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 5>So instead of trafficking drugs and like guns for the CIA,

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 5>these planes for a couple of years were moving you know, you.

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 3>Know, crappyumbshell, push up brass.

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 6>Right Victoria's secret.

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 5>So it's like, okay, maybe there's no Intel connections here

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 5>at all, but how on earth did this guy end

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 5>up bringing the CIA's airplanes to les Wexner, Like, Times

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 5>is going to have to do a little bit better

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 5>than just hand waving it away with With these kinds

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.840
<v Speaker 5>of details out there, it's kind of kind of like

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 5>kind of suspicious activity to be involved in.

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 2>It was very interesting to me how much The New

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 2>York Times wanted to say, like, oh, case closed, solve this,

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>figured it out, No Intel, cut ties, no blackmail, no nothing,

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 2>nothing to see here, and then did a bunch of

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 2>reporting that does not at all rule out those possibilities,

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, it raises even more questions about them,

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 2>as your reporting points out.

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 5>And we also make the point in the preamble of

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 5>the piece that in order to acquit him of all

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 5>of these like links to Intel and to say that

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 5>there was nothing interesting going on here, what they had

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.840
<v Speaker 5>to do was craft this anti semitic.

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 6>Caricature of the guy.

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 5>Hm hmmm, just like in a genuinely offensive way, because

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 5>all they're left with is like, oh, he's just a

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 5>giant con artist. And you go through it and you're like,

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 5>this is actually like what are you doing here? But

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 5>it's almost like what's the Barry gold It's like a

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.799
<v Speaker 5>version of the back Barry Goldwater quote you would say,

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 5>anti Semitism in defense of the liberty of Israel is

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:34.919
<v Speaker 5>no viruce.

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people apparently view it that way.

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, just check that piece out.

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, read the piece, because it just completely if this

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 4>is all just a coincidence, it's the greatest coincidence of

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 4>all time.

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, and to I don't know, also to make the

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 2>claims that the Times did of like oh there's no

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Intel connection, and to not even you know, not even

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 2>reference the reporting that you and others have done, I

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.959
<v Speaker 2>think is also just very you know, very lazy, also

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.280
<v Speaker 2>very condescending, you know, like you don't even exist.

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 10>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>We even got a we have a Times quote for

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.720
<v Speaker 5>the piece because I put all this to them. They said, quote,

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 5>we report on facts that we are able to confirm,

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 5>not supposition.

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 4>Well, what a bunch of these these are facts.

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 6>Like these are these are facts. You're welcome to report

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 6>on them.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.320
<v Speaker 5>If you can't, I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, super excited to have this morning with

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>us Corey Archibald and Casey Kennedy, who are the co

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 2>founders of track Apak who recently went public stop being

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 2>anonymous on our show, which we.

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Were very privileged to have you guys there. Great to

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 3>see you both, Thank good morning.

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 11>Thanks for having us.

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I wanted to talk to you guys again

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 2>because I feel like the question of a PAC funding

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and overall position on Israel it's just become such a

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>central issue, in particular in Democratic primaries, although showing up

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.879
<v Speaker 2>in some Republican primaries as well. So I wanted to

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 2>touch base with you guys about some of the races

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>that you see as being really significant, just in terms

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of that funding question being a dividing line. But before

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I jumped into that, I wanted to just ask you, so,

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 2>how how have things been going? How is it now,

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, coming out and being public faces. I know

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 2>you guys have gotten a lot of scrutiny online. Casey,

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 2>I know you have been punished in terms of your career.

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 2>You lost your job for the work that you're doing,

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 2>so Casey, maybe start with you on how things are going.

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's definitely been a tumultuous month, to say the least.

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 10>Shortly after we did our initial interview with you, folks,

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 10>I did lose my job. That followed a dosing and

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 10>harassment campaign from accounts like stop Anti Semitism and that

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 10>whole network of Wow Israel troll accounts. Basically, they my

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 10>employer just didn't want to deal with that, so I'm

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 10>no longer with them. But on the bright side, the

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 10>silver lining is that's really just unleashed me and given

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 10>me all the time in the world to focus now

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 10>on this. What's up until now been a volunteer time

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 10>passion project for me. Now I can really focus on

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 10>it full time and work on a lot of things

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 10>that I've been pushing to the back burner, and I'm

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.399
<v Speaker 10>excited for the opportunity to work on it even more.

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Did you expect when you came forward, did you expect

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 2>it would be a problem for your employer or did

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 2>that kind of come out of the blue for you.

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 10>I was definitely unsure I was operating the account anonymously

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:36.760
<v Speaker 10>for that exact reason. I just didn't want to risk it. Obviously,

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 10>wasn't informing them of like what I was doing during

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 10>my free time, and I thought that I might be

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 10>able to explain where I was coming from and maybe,

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 10>you know, work out a way to keep my job.

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 11>But it all just ups pretty quickly.

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 3>And it's crazy to me.

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, all you do is put for publicly available information,

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 2>compile publicly available information.

0:39:58.920 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's pretty awful that people can just make smears

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 10>and just really baseless claims and have that up in

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 10>somebody's livelihood.

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 11>So I know I'm not the only one.

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 10>I'll be okay. I have other means to make my living.

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 10>A lot of other people don't. And I think that's

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 10>a really important point that we have to keep pushing

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.040
<v Speaker 10>in this narrative. You're seeing a lot of shift right

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 10>now happening and happening in the political spectrum. But it's

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 10>not only in the political spectrum that we need to

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 10>have this attention focused. It's regular people who are speaking

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.760
<v Speaker 10>up who are also being executed and targeted.

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Corey, how about you?

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 4>Oh got it?

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 12>No, As Casey said, it has definitely been a very

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 12>tumultuous month. I have not had the same kind of

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 12>impact in scrutiny that he has, although I've certainly had

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:52.400
<v Speaker 12>people picking through my very online life that I have

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:56.799
<v Speaker 12>lived for decades, and you know, congratulations, you uncovered things

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 12>that I post about constantly. Well done you, I guess,

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 12>But I guess people are supposed to. They want me

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 12>to be ashamed of who I am, and I'm not.

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 12>I'm proud of the work that I've done and what

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 12>we've been able to achieve through this project, And if anything,

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.399
<v Speaker 12>those kinds of attacks and scrutinies just make us more

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 12>determined to keep doing what we're doing.

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 2>All right, So let's turn to the topic at hand.

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 2>There's a ton of races that we could have picked

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 2>to focus on. But Corey, why don't you go ahead

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 2>and give us a little bit of a rundown of

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 2>a few of the democratic primaries that you're really watching

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.399
<v Speaker 2>where the question of APAC funding has taken a sort

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:37.400
<v Speaker 2>of central spotlight.

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, Well, we are, as many people are.

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 12>We are closely following and engaging with both races for

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.240
<v Speaker 12>Corey Bush and her rematch against Wesley Bell, and Abdillel

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 12>said both of those races are important to us not

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.400
<v Speaker 12>only because of who the candidates are, especially because of

0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 12>who the candidates are and because of what they represent

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 12>and they are objectively the best choice in in those primaries,

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 12>but also I got a little personal connection to both

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 12>races in the sense that I worked very closely with

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 12>Corey Bush in her first two months for Congress, and

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 12>I took it very personally, the way that she was

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 12>attacked and smeared by a PAK. It was part of

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.879
<v Speaker 12>the reason for the the inspiration for founding this pack

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.800
<v Speaker 12>and for joining up with Casey and working on this project.

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 12>And then of course abdlals he's running against Hailey Stevens,

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 12>who is another another villain. APAG dumped truckloads of cash

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:36.760
<v Speaker 12>into the race against Andy Levin to get her into office.

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.720
<v Speaker 12>And so that's another one that I take up a personally,

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.879
<v Speaker 12>and so for that reason, you know, those are those

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 12>are two races that are I think have the opportunity

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 12>once those two are are in, once Corey is restored

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 12>to Congress and once Abdullah's in the Senate, I think

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 12>they will have a significant impact on the direction of

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 12>democratic policy.

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 3>And so those are very important races to us.

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:01.360
<v Speaker 12>But you know, they're also a number of other races

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 12>that we have we've supported.

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 2>And sorry, just really quickly on Abdullah SiO, because there's

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>another significant contender in that race, Mallory McMorrow, and actually

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 2>haven't followed closely.

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 3>What is she?

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 2>What is she said or has she said anything with

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 2>regard to to APAC funding. What's your sense there?

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 3>In casey, I'll let you take the stress.

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 10>So Malarie McMorrow has been an interesting kind of case

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 10>study for how the needle has been moving on this

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 10>topic within the Democratic Party.

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:32.760
<v Speaker 6>I'll pull up my story while you're talking.

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, exactly, that you had a great piece on that.

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 10>She actually some supporters had kind of leaked to the

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 10>press that they had read a position paper that she

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:45.760
<v Speaker 10>had submitted to a pro Israel organization, which we're pretty

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 10>sure based on reporting it all.

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.480
<v Speaker 11>Now, just leak it to the press and they gave

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 11>it to Graham dug it up. Is that how it

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 11>originally came to Okay, okay, Ryan at.

0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 13>The Press Michigan Sites and Ryan Graham broke that Malary

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 13>McMorrow had submitted a position paper to a pro Israel group,

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 13>which was an APAC confirmed at that time, right out the.

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 5>Gate, it wasn't a so her her supporter said it

0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 5>was a pack. I suspect that it was actually d

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 5>m f I Democratic Majority for Israel, and that the

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 5>supporter was using a pack as a shorthand because DMFI

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.399
<v Speaker 5>is a shorthand, which is what we do.

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:32.920
<v Speaker 12>I mean, we we use a pack as kind of

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 12>a shorthand to refer to the whole lobby.

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, go ahead, I'm sorry.

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, so they saw an a position paper, but

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:41.399
<v Speaker 5>I think it was d m FI.

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, okay, fair enough. Apac ally d m f I.

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 10>She had submitted a position paper, and obviously that what

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 10>that position paper hasn't been made public, but we can

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 10>infer what was included in there based on the comments.

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 6>Of those supporters outstanding.

0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, they really gave her a lot of praise

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 10>for her strong pro Israel position. And we also found

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 10>out that she had taken a trip to Israel, which

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 10>we believe was with the American Israel Education Foundation is

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 10>APAX nonprofit arm.

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 11>So that's definitely concerning.

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:14.240
<v Speaker 4>She has.

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 10>Said that she agrees it could meet the definition of genocide,

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 10>but it's not the forthright conviction that we're looking for

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 10>in a candidate in this moment who we're really looking

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.839
<v Speaker 10>down the moral clarity to take a bold stand and

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.800
<v Speaker 10>not be kind of hedging their bets of where special

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.040
<v Speaker 10>interests might come after them for speaking the truth.

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that kind of feels like her vibe on a

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 2>range of issues on healthcare as well, she's tried to

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, yeah signal, Yeah, I love that

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:43.759
<v Speaker 2>universal well here, but here's why we can't do it.

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it feels like she's kind of threading a needle.

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 10>You can see she's sort of pinned between the progressive

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 10>lane that abdulah al Sayed is filling and the establishment

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 10>lane that Hailey Stevens is filling with the backing of APAX.

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.920
<v Speaker 10>So that's another one where the split is going to

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:00.120
<v Speaker 10>be interesting to see.

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 11>I'm not sure right now how that's going.

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 6>To play out.

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 11>The polls have them pretty evenly matched.

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 3>All three of them. Yeah, pretty close.

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, Yeah, there would be some interesting plays for sure

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:11.319
<v Speaker 10>in that race.

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Ryan, maybe you should set up for us the Nita

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Alam race because I know that's a versus Valerie Fushi,

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>which is another one that I know you've done a

0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of reporting on, and then we can get Corey

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and Casey to weigh in on that one as well.

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this race, this is a rematch of a race

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 5>from twenty twenty two. When Nita Alam announced her candidacy.

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 5>She was a county commissioner from Durham and she was

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 5>close if you remember, she was close friends with a

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 5>group of Muslim men who were a victim of a

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 5>hate crime. If it was this like horrific like national

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 5>story where several men were killed in Durham, and it

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:56.839
<v Speaker 5>became like huge news, definitely in North Carolina, but even

0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.800
<v Speaker 5>around the country and around the world, and that inspired

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.879
<v Speaker 5>her to get into to local office. So she ran

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:07.959
<v Speaker 5>became accounting mission, then she ran for the House seat,

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:13.280
<v Speaker 5>and then Value Fouchet came in with enormous amounts of backing,

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 5>not just from APAC but also from Crypto, and she

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:20.920
<v Speaker 5>ended up only Nita Alam ended up only losing by

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 5>four points or something you guys might remember betterly four

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 5>thousand votes or very very very close race, even though

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 5>she was outspent absolutely massively. Now North Carolina has redrawn

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:38.280
<v Speaker 5>the district and it's actually more favorable now to an alum.

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.760
<v Speaker 5>If she would if this would have been the old district,

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 5>she actually probably would have won even given the massive

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 5>amount of crypto and APAC money being spent. As we

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 5>covered on breaking Points, Fouchet throughout the last couple of

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:58.919
<v Speaker 5>years or has kind of turned against Israel. She's made

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 5>some critical comments and an interesting way and in the

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 5>back of her mind, and I was assumed, but definitely

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:06.919
<v Speaker 5>in the back of my mind as she was doing

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 5>I was like, oh, I bet she assumes that it

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:13.480
<v Speaker 5>is going to launch another challenge to her and sees

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 5>this as a massive political vulnerability because there's just so

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:22.400
<v Speaker 5>much money on the table and either you guys can respond,

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 5>but while you do, I'll just put up this DMFI

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:30.920
<v Speaker 5>put out yesterday. It's list of dozens of endorsements of

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:35.879
<v Speaker 5>Democrats across the country, and Fouchet was not on there,

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 5>which is which is quite interesting because it either means

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:45.680
<v Speaker 5>they're so frustrated that she distanced herself from them, you know,

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:52.359
<v Speaker 5>anticipating this challenge, or they recognize that even rebranded as DMFI,

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 5>this pro Israel money is just too damaging in a

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 5>democratic primary to be public about.

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean, I think Valor fusci Is is someone

0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 12>who I have no idea.

0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 3>I actually learned this recently.

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.920
<v Speaker 4>I think it is Fushi. I used to say fouche also,

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 4>but I if.

0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Well one of us is correct.

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:16.480
<v Speaker 6>When Crystal said fush, I was like, that might actually

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 6>be right.

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:19.800
<v Speaker 3>I just have only ever read it.

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 6>So I'm.

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I was actually corrected on it by someone from

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 12>North Carolina recently, so I'll take that as as gospel.

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 12>But I you know this is this isn't another interesting

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.600
<v Speaker 12>case because you know, what we see happening with her,

0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 12>I think is is representative of the work that we're

0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 12>trying to achieve here. We want politicians to change their positions.

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:43.720
<v Speaker 12>We want them to recognize that they are are creating

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 12>a political liability for themselves by by working with a

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 12>PACK and d M F I and so I. In

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.160
<v Speaker 12>one sense, it's hard to know because I'm not inside

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:55.120
<v Speaker 12>somebody's head, so I don't know exactly how genuine her

0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 12>her shift is. But I would say that, paired with

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:04.920
<v Speaker 12>her somewhat critical comments of the genocide in Gaza, I

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:09.480
<v Speaker 12>think it does seem to be something of a genuine

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 12>change in her position. And to that, I'll say I've

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:19.240
<v Speaker 12>spent a lot of twenty twenty five feeling, on one hand,

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 12>very like immensely relieved to see such a shift in

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:26.399
<v Speaker 12>a lot of politicians and public figures and how they

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 12>view what's happening in Gaza and our role and our

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 12>complicity in it. But on the other hand, it's so

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:38.440
<v Speaker 12>frustrating because a lot of people had to die for

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 12>you to learn that lesson, and it just feels like

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 12>she's a little late to the game. Like, I welcome

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 12>the change. I hope it's genuine. I feel that it's genuine.

0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 12>You know, time will tell, but you know, if I

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 12>have to choose between someone who was late to the

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 12>game in that way on such a life or death matter,

0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:01.839
<v Speaker 12>I'll take the person who was on the right side

0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 12>the whole time.

0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 2>And what are some of the other There were a

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 2>couple of other races that you guys had sent me

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:11.080
<v Speaker 2>that were ones that I was less familiar with. One

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 2>is the congressional race that now Colin Alred has jumped

0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 2>into in Texas after he withdrew from the Senate race.

0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Talk about a few of the races that are a

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:21.880
<v Speaker 2>little bit more under the radar for people.

0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, So now down in Texas, in the newly redistricted

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 10>thirty third district, there's a candidate that were supporting named

0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 10>Zishan Hafeez. He is going to be running against in

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 10>the primary Colin Alred, who just dropped out of the

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:41.360
<v Speaker 10>Texas Senate race to go run for a seat in

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:46.479
<v Speaker 10>Congress in the House, and also Representative Julie Johnson, who's

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 10>currently representing the thirty second district, is going to be

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:52.640
<v Speaker 10>campaigning in the thirty third district for twenty twenty six.

0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 10>Julie Johnson is an active APAC backed Rep. She's only

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.799
<v Speaker 10>taken in a little over forty thousand dollars from the

0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:05.240
<v Speaker 10>Israel lobby, but she votes in lockstep with them. Colin

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:09.240
<v Speaker 10>Alred has accepted over six hundred and forty six thousand

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 10>dollars from pro Israel groups including APAC and DMFI in

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:16.400
<v Speaker 10>the past, although it seems he did stop taking APAC

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 10>and DMFI money after the twenty twenty two cycle, but

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 10>again looking at his voting record, he was a pretty

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 10>reliable pro Israel vote in the House. So in this race,

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 10>we are supporting Zishan Hafiz. He's committed to rejecting APAK

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:34.880
<v Speaker 10>and the Israel Lobby outright, and he's calling for overturning

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.719
<v Speaker 10>Citizens United to get big money out of our politics.

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:41.480
<v Speaker 10>He's never taken any corporate money. This is something that

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 10>he's made really foundational to in a central plank of

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 10>his campaign. And these are the kind of candidates that

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.279
<v Speaker 10>we're looking to get involved with who really have the

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 10>backbone to stand up call of genocide to genocide and

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.240
<v Speaker 10>do what they can in their capacity as a federal

0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 10>representative to stop our complicity in this genocide.

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sounds like one where there's a very very

0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:05.240
<v Speaker 2>clear divide there.

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:07.719
<v Speaker 12>And if I could just jump in really quickly on

0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 12>both of these two races that we just talked about,

0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:13.920
<v Speaker 12>you know, the North Carolina four race and the Texas

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:16.719
<v Speaker 12>thirty three races are two primaries are coming up very soon.

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.840
<v Speaker 12>March third is the primary for both both of these races.

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.800
<v Speaker 12>We are less than ninety days away, and we're also

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 12>hit sound like fundraiser, but I am one. We are

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 12>coming up on the end of quarter. So you know,

0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 12>if you're if you're sitting at home and you're looking

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 12>for Canadas to support, like, this is the moment to

0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:35.319
<v Speaker 12>pay attention. This is the moment to think about these

0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:37.799
<v Speaker 12>races because these are this is the point at which

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:39.719
<v Speaker 12>we decide what the future of the Democratic Party is

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:41.880
<v Speaker 12>going to look like no matter what Ken Martin decides

0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:43.799
<v Speaker 12>to bury and.

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Corey tell me a little bit, or Casey whoever's you know,

0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 2>wants to jump on it about California seven and may

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Vang go for that one?

0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 10>Casey, Yeah, So my Vang is challenging APAC backed Rep.

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 10>Doris Matsui. Doris Matsui is eighty one years old and

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 10>she's running for real election. She actually filled the seat

0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:06.080
<v Speaker 10>of her late husband, Bob Matsui, who died in Congress

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:10.400
<v Speaker 10>back in two thousand and five. Doris Matsui is another

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:13.920
<v Speaker 10>reliable pro is reel vote. She consistently ranks among the

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 10>most pro is Real votes in the Democratic Caucus and

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:21.920
<v Speaker 10>she sends married a billionaire. So she is just really

0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:24.160
<v Speaker 10>out of touch with what we need in these times.

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.799
<v Speaker 10>She's not bringing the fight to all the corruption and

0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:30.399
<v Speaker 10>the madness that we see going on in Washington, and

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:31.320
<v Speaker 10>my Vang.

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:31.880
<v Speaker 11>Has stepped up.

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:35.320
<v Speaker 10>She's a I believe she's a city council member currently,

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:39.400
<v Speaker 10>and she is outright rejecting APEC in the Israel lobby

0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:43.319
<v Speaker 10>corporate money, and she calls a genocide a genocide. She's

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:47.080
<v Speaker 10>really bringing the pressure to Doris Matsui, who has previously

0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:48.759
<v Speaker 10>not spent a lot of time in the district. You'll

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:51.399
<v Speaker 10>see her making her campaign stops now. You can tell

0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 10>she's feeling the pressure. And this kind of young, exciting

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:58.320
<v Speaker 10>candidate is another one that we're thrilled to see stepping

0:54:58.360 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 10>up into the ring.

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:01.719
<v Speaker 2>And then the last one you guys had sent me

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and then we had some sort of broader, more general questions.

0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:07.799
<v Speaker 2>But was Cameron CAASKI who, Yeah, Kyle and actually just

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.759
<v Speaker 2>interviewed him last week. He's running in the seat in

0:55:10.840 --> 0:55:14.440
<v Speaker 2>New York that's opened up by Jerry Nadler's retirement. Very

0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:17.160
<v Speaker 2>crowded primary. A bunch of people jumped into that one.

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:20.240
<v Speaker 2>What makes Cameron stand out to you, guys?

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, so Cameron is I mean, for one, I've followed

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:29.799
<v Speaker 12>his activism since the days of Parkland, and I've just

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:32.799
<v Speaker 12>been so impressed with him as an activist and the

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 12>way that he consistently speaks so clearly on issues. He's

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 12>not afraid to take a stand, and he has certainly

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.360
<v Speaker 12>demonstrated that in the short time that he's been running

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:45.240
<v Speaker 12>this campaign. There's no other candidate in this race currently

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 12>that as you said, it's a very crowded primary, and

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:50.880
<v Speaker 12>yet not a single one of them in a district

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 12>that heavily favored Zoran in the recent mayor election, not

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 12>a single one of them has come out very clearly

0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:00.439
<v Speaker 12>and made a stand about Israel committing a genocide, calling

0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 12>for an arms embargo, or rejecting support from APAC and

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.400
<v Speaker 12>the Israel lobby just generally. So he is the most

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 12>clear on this issue.

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:09.319
<v Speaker 3>And he I think he.

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:12.400
<v Speaker 12>Just represents such an important voice that I think would

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:14.839
<v Speaker 12>would be a real game changer in Congress.

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and for people who don't know he was there,

0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 2>he survived the Parkland shooting. You know, he's seventeen years old.

0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:23.680
<v Speaker 2>He became an activist. He talks about, you know, starting

0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:27.879
<v Speaker 2>that organization sitting in his bedroom, and also has really

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.240
<v Speaker 2>been through the ring. Are you know, the Alex Jones

0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 2>and these people saying he's a crisis actor and all that.

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:34.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know if it was Alex Jones specific,

0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say that, but there were right wing activists

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.960
<v Speaker 2>saying that he was a crisis actor. And so he

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:43.400
<v Speaker 2>has really been through the fire in terms of political activism,

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:45.879
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I was really impressed with him when

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I spoke with him last week as well.

0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 3>How much do you so?

0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 2>One of the questions I had for you guys that

0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I think we touched on before and you've kind of

0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 2>touched on here as well, is politicians are starting to

0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:58.359
<v Speaker 2>get the memo of like, oh, I should say I'm

0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:01.600
<v Speaker 2>not I'm not going to take ape. You saw Gavin Newsom,

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:04.760
<v Speaker 2>after initially just being like that's interesting, that's an interesting

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:07.279
<v Speaker 2>question saying no, I'm not going to take any APAC money.

0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Although Ryan feels like he left himself a little wiggle

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:11.840
<v Speaker 2>room there, but in any case, he clearly wanted to give.

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 3>The impression exactly that was his answer.

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Milton came out, oh no, even after he had asked

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:18.920
<v Speaker 2>a pack to support him.

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh, I don't want anything to do with

0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:21.040
<v Speaker 3>these people.

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So what are the follow up questions that people should

0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:28.240
<v Speaker 2>be asking as it increasingly becomes clear that this is

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 2>a politically toxic position. But you know you're going to

0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.640
<v Speaker 2>have politicians who want to have their cake and eat

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.560
<v Speaker 2>it too, want a signal to the base like oh, yeah, totally,

0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you guys. I'm against I'm not going to

0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:40.760
<v Speaker 2>say it's a genocide. But I'm against bad things, but

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, they still want to be able

0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:45.840
<v Speaker 2>to get that money and that support from the Israel lobby.

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:47.880
<v Speaker 2>So what are the follow up questions that people should

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:48.360
<v Speaker 2>be asking?

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:50.480
<v Speaker 4>And can I just tack on to that quickly to

0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:54.400
<v Speaker 4>ask are there new other than like Newsome doing? I

0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 4>don't know if anyone could pull off what Newsom did

0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 4>quite like Newsom did, But are there new lines that

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 4>we're seeing be rolled out kind of to either mask

0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 4>or hedge. Is there anything you people should be paying

0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:07.960
<v Speaker 4>attention to specifically? Yeah?

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Great question, Yeah, I think Okay, So do you want

0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 3>to go first.

0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:15.680
<v Speaker 10>Or I can you just I'll jump on Emily's point

0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 10>real real quick there, just while I have it in

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:21.800
<v Speaker 10>my mind, I would say standing against sending offensive weapons

0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:26.920
<v Speaker 10>to Israel is a big one for us. We're that's

0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:29.640
<v Speaker 10>that is what we see as hedging. A weapon is

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:31.720
<v Speaker 10>a weapon, a bomb is a bomb. The more bombs

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:35.720
<v Speaker 10>that you send to Israel, the more for self defense,

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 10>the more bombs they have to use for offense. So

0:58:39.360 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 10>that's definitely a line that we see as kind of

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 10>a red flag when we're assessing candidates, and we will

0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:47.920
<v Speaker 10>probe to find out more Corey, did you want to

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:48.320
<v Speaker 10>jump on that.

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.439
<v Speaker 3>Up, Yeah, I think just to add on to that point.

0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:53.080
<v Speaker 12>I mean, it's like Rashida Siliev has talked about this,

0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:56.000
<v Speaker 12>you know, she has said the words a weapon is

0:58:56.000 --> 0:58:59.560
<v Speaker 12>a weapon, and others have made the point that even

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.280
<v Speaker 12>if we even if we take at face value, even

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:04.960
<v Speaker 12>if we just accepts as truth, what is stated that

0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.320
<v Speaker 12>the weapons that we provide for what are supposed to

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 12>be defensive purposes are only used in that capacity. Well,

0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:13.920
<v Speaker 12>certainly it frees up military resources for them to be

0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 12>able to focus on not only committing genocide and Gaza,

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:21.680
<v Speaker 12>but also attacking you know, their neighbors and and creating

0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 12>you know, hostilities in all parts of the region. So

0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.600
<v Speaker 12>I think the only thing that sends a message because

0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:31.880
<v Speaker 12>so much of our of so much of the support

0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:37.040
<v Speaker 12>that goes into the the Israeli military comes from US,

0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 12>US aid, the only way to send a message that

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.720
<v Speaker 12>we are no longer on board with with what you're

0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:45.320
<v Speaker 12>doing is to say you're cut off, and and that's

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:47.280
<v Speaker 12>that's the line that needs to be drawn. So we're

0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 12>not going to hedge and split hairs on what's an

0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:53.200
<v Speaker 12>offensive and what's a defensive weapon, either when there is

0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 12>there There are very clear US laws that state that

0:59:56.520 --> 1:00:00.480
<v Speaker 12>if that if someone is receiving US military aid and

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:04.440
<v Speaker 12>they are committing war crimes, which Israel very clearly has

1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:07.840
<v Speaker 12>in multiple ways, then we are supposed to cut off

1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:08.880
<v Speaker 12>the supply of aid.

1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:09.920
<v Speaker 4>That that is.

1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:13.160
<v Speaker 12>That's that's our own laws that we're violating when we,

1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:15.920
<v Speaker 12>you know, try to split hairs and say what's defensive

1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:16.800
<v Speaker 12>and what's offensive.

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<v Speaker 5>How do you guys count the money that shows up

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<v Speaker 5>when it says like forty thousand dollars from pro Israel groups?

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<v Speaker 6>Like, is that a pack? So it's going to be

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<v Speaker 6>CANVM fire?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it also people who have previously given to a

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<v Speaker 5>pack Like what's the So.

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<v Speaker 10>Up until now it has been money from pro Israel,

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<v Speaker 10>any pro Israel pack. So there's like a whole slate

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<v Speaker 10>beyond a pack and d M five of these smaller

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<v Speaker 10>groups that within the Israel lobby ecosystem. We've got a

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<v Speaker 10>full spreadsheet of them on our website. But basically we

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<v Speaker 10>take those pack IDs and then just we run an fecort,

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<v Speaker 10>So we pull it from the Federal Election Commission and

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<v Speaker 10>it just aggregates the data of how much has gone

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<v Speaker 10>through the pack to the candidate. That can also include

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<v Speaker 10>like conduit contributions, so like a PAC will bundle all

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<v Speaker 10>the donor money through their website or through their portal

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<v Speaker 10>and them to the candidate. So that's where those numbers.

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<v Speaker 10>We also track the independent expenditures, So if a pack

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<v Speaker 10>or any of their allies are spending independently to run

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<v Speaker 10>ads or any other campaign activity on behalf of the

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<v Speaker 10>candidate or to attack their opponent, will also add that

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<v Speaker 10>into the candidate's lobby total.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that has a lot to do with why Wesley

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<v Speaker 12>Bells and George Latimer's totals are so high because a

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<v Speaker 12>lot of them was the independent expenditure.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, they hope we are money come in

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<v Speaker 3>for them. But we are expanding on that.

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<v Speaker 12>So as I think we mentioned the last time we

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<v Speaker 12>saw you guys that you know, a pack is starting

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<v Speaker 12>to change tactics.

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<v Speaker 3>They've always kind of done this.

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<v Speaker 12>They've always created these these like seek donation portals where

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<v Speaker 12>where you know, donors can just go straight they get

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<v Speaker 12>a you know, a link straight to a person's donation

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<v Speaker 12>page where they can donate without having to like have

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<v Speaker 12>the label a pack attached to it. But we see,

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<v Speaker 12>you know there's been reporting recently about how they are

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<v Speaker 12>increasing use of that tactic, and we expect that they will.

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<v Speaker 12>And so one of the things that we're doing with

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<v Speaker 12>as we ramp up and we're we're working to expand

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<v Speaker 12>our teams, we're going to be expanding our data capabilities

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<v Speaker 12>so that we can more carefully track these large donors

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<v Speaker 12>that are you know, very closely affiliated with a pack.

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<v Speaker 12>They're consistent APACK donors, and they're also funneling like you'll

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<v Speaker 12>see like big money drops that happen, you know, in

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<v Speaker 12>a coordinated fashion, and so we want to be able

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<v Speaker 12>to track and report on that more accurately so that

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<v Speaker 12>we can reflect the genuine total that's coming into these

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<v Speaker 12>these reports.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you would think it would be something that that

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<v Speaker 5>ll MS could even help with, you know. In other words,

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<v Speaker 5>if you've got let's say you've got a donor who

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<v Speaker 5>has given you know, more than five thousand dollars over

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<v Speaker 5>the last several cycles to a to a pack or

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<v Speaker 5>to d MFI, so you know that that's like, that's

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<v Speaker 5>like an APAC donor, and then you see them maxing

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<v Speaker 5>out to a candidate, and then on that same day

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<v Speaker 5>you see ten other people max out to that candidate

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<v Speaker 5>like right, you couldn't. You couldn't say that's one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>percent a PAC money, but you could be like this

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<v Speaker 5>is yeah, exactly, It's very likely this was this was coordinated.

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<v Speaker 5>This was either a fundraiser or an email that went

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<v Speaker 5>out to this group.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, there's the hallmarks.

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<v Speaker 6>Of yes, yes, there's the hallmarks of real information.

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<v Speaker 2>This is actually a good segue to ask you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>how can people support your work because you are continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to expand and as you said, this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>really you know, crunch time in terms of these democratic primaries,

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<v Speaker 2>but also, as I said, it's a relevant issue in

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<v Speaker 2>increasing on the Republican side as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>So, for example, if you are interested in supporting any

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<v Speaker 12>of the races that we just talked about and supporting

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<v Speaker 12>our work in amplifying those races, a great place to

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<v Speaker 12>go is to TRACKAPAC dot com slash endorsements. That will

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<v Speaker 12>take you to page that has all of our endorsed

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<v Speaker 12>candidates on it that you that we just discussed, and

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<v Speaker 12>each one of them links to a tandem donate page

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<v Speaker 12>where you can split a contribution between between our organization

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<v Speaker 12>and that campaign directly. Those tandem forms really are something

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<v Speaker 12>like they can.

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<v Speaker 3>Raise a lot.

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<v Speaker 12>I think we raised what was it over twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 12>dollars for aften Bay on our Herd tandem form just

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<v Speaker 12>in the last few weeks lead up to that special election.

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<v Speaker 12>So you know this, this is a really powerful tool

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<v Speaker 12>to amplify the grassroots effect. And it not only puts

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<v Speaker 12>money directly into those campaigns that could really use those boosts,

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<v Speaker 12>but it also amplifies what we're able to do in

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<v Speaker 12>support of them on the IE side.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, as you guys, as you guys grow, there's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be more scrutiny on you. And because you guys

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<v Speaker 5>are talking specifically about you know, campaign finance and and spending,

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's going to be increasingly important probably to be

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<v Speaker 5>way way more transparent than a normal organization is with

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<v Speaker 5>the spending. So would you guys commit to some sort

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<v Speaker 5>of independent audit or something that that tracks track, track

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<v Speaker 5>apac so that people who are like giving money like,

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<v Speaker 5>because you're going to have people in this world who

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<v Speaker 5>are like, no, no, these are just grifters who are

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<v Speaker 5>like cashing in because FEC reports are very confusing and

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<v Speaker 5>you see money moving in and moving out and it's

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<v Speaker 5>very easy for people to just screenshot and be like, hmm,

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<v Speaker 5>what's going on here, and then it discredits everything that's

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<v Speaker 5>going on. So have you thought about how you're going

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<v Speaker 5>to use some level of transparency to counteract what is like,

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<v Speaker 5>like I can guarantee that's coming if it hasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>All, we're already seeing some of that.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, there's there's been some critics from the left

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<v Speaker 12>that just say, oh, you're just drifting. I mean, as

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<v Speaker 12>you said, the FEC reports are are out there, it's

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<v Speaker 12>publicly available data. It can be hard to parse. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 12>We've always been very conservative in our spending, so like

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<v Speaker 12>we've been building up our war chest to be able

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<v Speaker 12>to put as much as we can. In fact, until

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<v Speaker 12>very very recently, Casey and I weren't even taking a

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<v Speaker 12>salary from the pack, so you know, we've been very

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<v Speaker 12>conservative in that way that we just really wanted to build.

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<v Speaker 3>Up our resources. I mean, in terms of transparencies.

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<v Speaker 12>People can always ask us any question that they have

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<v Speaker 12>about the FEC report. That's you know, I don't think

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<v Speaker 12>that we've had a discussion about any specific transparency project internally.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, something to think about, sure, of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course, all Right, guys, Well, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>taking the time. I know it is hectic and crazy

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<v Speaker 2>and you have a lot going on, so really appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your work and really appreciate your.

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<v Speaker 3>Time with us this morning.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's our pleasure.

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<v Speaker 11>Happy holidays you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Doo. That was great, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, well let's go ahead and wrap up

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<v Speaker 2>the free show here, got a bunch of interesting stuff

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get you in the premium half, in

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<v Speaker 2>particular this TPUSA conference, Ben Shapiro coming it, Megan Kelly

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<v Speaker 2>and Tucker Carlston and Tucker responds, and Tucker's calling out

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<v Speaker 2>the islamophobe. So that's a spicy one. And Emily, you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned Erica Kirk endorsed jd Vance at this that part

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<v Speaker 2>I missed actually last night.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was late last night.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's not on board for Trump twenty twenty eight, not.

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<v Speaker 4>On board like Dershowitz.

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<v Speaker 2>But also I was going to say, Mary Maddilson again

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<v Speaker 2>to the anti Semitic caricature, you guys are doing yourselves

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<v Speaker 2>no favors.

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<v Speaker 4>And then so yeah, so the Erica Kirk endorsement wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>just hurt was she said, turning point USA is going

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<v Speaker 4>to work on behalf of JD. So already a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of infrastructure behind him.

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<v Speaker 3>Rubio Marco artist it.

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<v Speaker 4>When Rubio obviously was quoted in the Vantasy Fair piece

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<v Speaker 4>this week saying he's not run if JD runs. So

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<v Speaker 4>Erica Kirk in that endorsement said that she said, we'll

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<v Speaker 4>support my husband's friend JD vance and so it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>quite an interesting, quite an interesting development.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially after that that photo that people paid a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of attention to with the hands and the hair

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<v Speaker 2>and the hands on the hips and whatever, also makes

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<v Speaker 2>it makes it noteworthy. But there's a lot of yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean put it, I don't know, whatever. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to get into Erica Kirk discourse, not in the

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<v Speaker 2>free half anyway. If you want more Erica Kirk discourse,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta pay for it.

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<v Speaker 3>People.

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<v Speaker 2>We also have The Baker wrote an interesting up ed

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, what really makes you an American? Really

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<v Speaker 2>pushing back against like the anti Indian hate in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>but also the sort of like you know, Nick fuontezification

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<v Speaker 2>of the Republican Party. Curious about you guys thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a big Compact magazine piece about the

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote lost generation of millennial men focusing on the

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<v Speaker 2>media in industry during the woke era that I would

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<v Speaker 2>think Ryan would have some particular insights into so bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of stif.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's politics behind it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, yes, for sure, so bunch of stuff to get

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<v Speaker 2>the Epstein Files. We have some great content that all

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<v Speaker 2>of us put together, you know, over the past week

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<v Speaker 2>or two, to be posting over the holiday break. We'll also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if there's big breaking news, well one of

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<v Speaker 2>the other of us will get it together and get

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<v Speaker 2>the best of our ability. But outside of that, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>Happy holidays to all of you. I hope everybody has

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<v Speaker 2>a RESTful and nice time with family with loved ones

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<v Speaker 2>and appreciates the you know, the beauties of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate what we're able to do here as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah all you guys and love all of the viewers.

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