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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday, Happy Friday Friday.
Speaker 3: How you doing pretty good.
Speaker 2: I've been debating whether to throw on the Santa hat
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 3: I might do it later.
Speaker 2: The topic is content is a little series at the
Speaker 2: top of the show, so I'm not sure I want
Speaker 2: to be Santa hat it out here to talk about this.
Speaker 4: I hadn't bet that that would be jarring. Crystal, I
Speaker 4: think you made the right call.
Speaker 2: That's that's always my hesitation. Like with the Halloween costumes
Speaker 2: and stuff too. It's like, you know, last year we
Speaker 2: did it, and I did ray Gun, which was fun
Speaker 2: and people really liked it. And I don't remember what
Speaker 2: we covered today but that day. But I don't think
Speaker 2: there's anything like too crazy serious. But yeah, it just
Speaker 2: feels very off if you're wearing some like goofy costume
Speaker 2: and then you're covering like, you know, a mass murder
Speaker 2: or whatever or Epstein, pedophiles, et cetera.
Speaker 3: So in any case, Jeffrey Epstein feels wrong. It feels
Speaker 3: really wrong, doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, but we do have major updates in
Speaker 2: terms of what we now know. Apparently, according to the government,
Speaker 2: is the killer who shot the two students actually shot
Speaker 2: in a number more than that. The killed two students
Speaker 2: at Brown University and then traveled some fifty five miles
Speaker 2: and murdered a professor at his home at MIT. It
Speaker 2: was apparently the same guy he's now been found dead
Speaker 2: killed himself inside of a storage unit. And let me
Speaker 2: go ahead and see if I can pull up this
Speaker 2: New York Times article that just gives us like a
Speaker 2: rundown of what happened here. Also, interestingly, just off the top,
Speaker 2: apparently the tip that really blew the case open came
Speaker 2: from Reddit, and it was like, a yeah, it was
Speaker 2: not only Reddit. I think it was someone who was
Speaker 2: homeless and sleeps in the basement of one of the
Speaker 2: Brown University buildings. Saw this guy acting bizarrely, had an
Speaker 2: interaction with him in the bathroom. Was like, this guy's
Speaker 2: dressed weird, he's acting weird. He's acting weird around this car.
Speaker 2: Followed him a little bit and asked him like, dude,
Speaker 2: what are you up to? So anyway, that appears to
Speaker 2: be the tip that blew the thing open. So in
Speaker 2: any case, let me read from you for you a
Speaker 2: little bit. Here they say a man's suspective carrying out
Speaker 2: a pair of deadly attacks, one at Brown University that
Speaker 2: killed two students and wounded nine more on another that
Speaker 2: killed an MIT professor's home found Deadness Steorage unit in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire on Thursday. The suspect's death, which the police
Speaker 2: said was from a self inflicted gunshot wound, ended a
Speaker 2: five day search that began on Brown's campus and Providence,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island. Case book captivated and rattled New England as
Speaker 2: investigators pieced together grainy surveillance footage and feared another burst
Speaker 2: of violence. The search stretched across state lines, ultimately hinge
Speaker 2: on witness interviews and providence, including a Reddit user, along
Speaker 2: with records from a car rental agency in Boston and
Speaker 2: search warrant in Salem, New Hampshire. Nothing can really fully
Speaker 2: bring closure to the lives that have been shadow of
Speaker 2: the past week. This may allow our community to move forward.
Speaker 2: So law enforcement officials identified the suspect as Claudio Manuel
Speaker 2: Nevez Valente, forty eight years old, a former Brown student
Speaker 2: who was recently enrolled at the university more than two
Speaker 2: decades ago. Last known address was in Miami. Investigators still
Speaker 2: not sure what the motive was behind the attacks. This
Speaker 2: talks more about the anonymous tip, and then this gives
Speaker 2: us a little bit more on the suspect. So he
Speaker 2: had studied physics as a grad student Brown in the
Speaker 2: early two thousands. He's from Portugal. Became a permanent resident
Speaker 2: of the US in twenty seventeen through a diversity visa lottery.
Speaker 2: The Trump administration is now seized on that fact to
Speaker 2: say that they're shutting down the entire diversity visa lottery,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, something we could discuss more. They
Speaker 2: believe he studied at the same school as the professor
Speaker 2: that he murdered, so in Lisbon. So they studied at
Speaker 2: the school at the same time in Lisbon, so the
Speaker 2: two might have known each other. Details of their relationship
Speaker 2: remain unclear and still completely unclear what the motive was
Speaker 2: for the you know, the mass shooting at Brown University.
Speaker 4: So studied has been together. I believe it's studying in
Speaker 4: Lisbon together even before Brown. So, yes, that's right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: which is exactly extremely bizarre connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is is very strange,
Speaker 2: and you know, I guess you know, given that we
Speaker 2: the public rushes to view these things for through whatever
Speaker 2: like partisan or political lens. On the one side, you've
Speaker 2: got he's an immigrant. On the other side, he's a
Speaker 2: white guy, so from Portugal. The diversity lottery aspect of this,
Speaker 2: you know, I was reading more about it. There's there's
Speaker 2: kind of an irony here. Actually put in place, the
Speaker 2: precursor program to it was specifically aimed at getting more
Speaker 2: Irish immigrants into the US because after the nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: five changes where there were no more like country quotas,
Speaker 2: there was a sense that European countries and Eastern European
Speaker 2: countries were being disadvantaged in terms of bringing in immigrants,
Speaker 2: and so it was actually some of the more kind
Speaker 2: of like white nativist types that introduced this program because
Speaker 2: they wanted more white immigrants. And then over the years,
Speaker 2: as you had more of a diaspora from some of
Speaker 2: those European countries, you know, Irish in particular, then they
Speaker 2: sort of phased out of being really eligible for this program.
Speaker 2: They could use the family reunification and the chain migration
Speaker 2: aspects inherent in our immigration policy. And so that vis
Speaker 2: a lottery still has a significant portion of Europeans who
Speaker 2: come in through it, but it has skewed more towards
Speaker 2: African countries, and it's it's meant to be for countries
Speaker 2: that don't historically have a lot of immigrants coming to
Speaker 2: the US.
Speaker 3: Is basically the idea behind it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the other irony of the nineteen sixty five law
Speaker 5: is that it was really geared toward the ninety seat fire.
Speaker 5: They had this nostalgia for you know, Ellis Island and
Speaker 5: all the Italians and Irish and Europeans who were coming in,
Speaker 5: and so in sixty five they're like, all right, let's
Speaker 5: let's open it back up and let more Europeans in
Speaker 5: because they're you know, those are our those are our
Speaker 5: white brothers over there, and they didn't want to come
Speaker 5: like things were good in Europe, and American policymakers were
Speaker 5: just kind of stunned.
Speaker 6: Like what do you mean.
Speaker 5: I thought we thought everybody wanted to come to the
Speaker 5: United States of America. It's like the greatest place on Earth.
Speaker 5: And instead, like you said, other countries filled the filled
Speaker 5: those quotas, leading to then some efforts to correct it.
Speaker 5: Be like, hold on, we got to get the hue
Speaker 5: a little bit lighter. Come on, what's going on here
Speaker 5: with this immigration policy?
Speaker 2: Yes, so this one that was put in place originally
Speaker 2: to once again lightened the skin color of the people
Speaker 2: that came in over time now has shifted in its
Speaker 2: proportions as well.
Speaker 4: I think another interesting aspect of the story is the
Speaker 4: frustration locally in Providence and on the Brown University campus.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to roll this clip of part of
Speaker 4: the press conference last night. There were two press conferences.
Speaker 4: There was one in Boston and then there was one
Speaker 4: in Providence. This is the Providence press conference, and you
Speaker 4: just hear the frustration bubbling up.
Speaker 7: Than from NBC ten, I want to go back to
Speaker 7: the question I asked you Saturday night when I first
Speaker 7: arrived on the scene.
Speaker 8: There were no cameras in this building, and law enforcements,
Speaker 8: some that are standing up behind you have said if
Speaker 8: Brown had cameras in that part of the building, we
Speaker 8: would have gotten this guy.
Speaker 4: And I just want to pause there and mention that's
Speaker 4: not a small part of the story because allegedly the
Speaker 4: suspect is then killed again.
Speaker 7: And it may have stopped swirling action.
Speaker 4: Can you ask that question for me?
Speaker 9: Well, I don't think we have said the locations of
Speaker 9: cameras at Brown.
Speaker 7: We have because why would they car agency.
Speaker 9: We have twelve hundred cameras at Brown, but not in
Speaker 9: that building. We have some in that building. It's a
Speaker 9: large complex, and I think what you would see is
Speaker 9: the video evidence in this case. From my perspective, I'm
Speaker 9: not a law enforcement agent, has been incredibly helpful. The
Speaker 9: moving of the person around the neighborhood. Those video images
Speaker 9: they helped craft this case. So I think video was important.
Speaker 9: And as the Attorney General explained at a recent press conference,
Speaker 9: this individual was not spending his time on the Brown campus.
Speaker 9: He came into a building on the edge of the
Speaker 9: campus he left, he was in the neighborhoods. The investigation
Speaker 9: focused on the neighborhoods. The video was there and that
Speaker 9: was really really instrumental in crafting the case.
Speaker 7: But you can ask them, yes, video played a big
Speaker 7: role in this case.
Speaker 8: The neighbors video, the rental car video, but not the
Speaker 8: video in the building that he walked in freely, both before.
Speaker 7: When he got in a confrontation and when he came
Speaker 7: back in decided to kill people. You didn't have cameras
Speaker 7: in that building. Just say it so you can give
Speaker 7: us over it. And my next question, yeah.
Speaker 9: You know, I I think we need to look back.
Speaker 9: We'll look at everything that is done. But I do
Speaker 9: not think a lack of cameras in that building it
Speaker 9: had anything to do with what happened.
Speaker 4: We can stop it there. But yeah, you can see.
Speaker 4: That's the president of Brown under intense scrutiny also for
Speaker 4: coming out after this originally happened and saying basically, we
Speaker 4: think everybody should feel safe. That has infuriated the community
Speaker 4: as well, because now we know again allegedly the suspect
Speaker 4: did kind of go along with the theory saga had
Speaker 4: floated about a potential unabomb or something in that ballpark
Speaker 4: targeting campuses, and obviously it seems to have happened again
Speaker 4: at MIT.
Speaker 2: I mean that I understand the sentiment as being expressed there.
Speaker 2: I will also say that like that sentiment, I feel like,
Speaker 2: is how we've ended up with a mass surveillance state
Speaker 2: where there are cameras every day and we're all being
Speaker 2: tricked totally, like, you know, like, oh my god, we
Speaker 2: need even more camera like building that wasn't under surveillance
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven and facial recognition and listen, the
Speaker 2: public will agree with that person.
Speaker 3: You know, there will be.
Speaker 2: An instinct of like, yes we have to you know,
Speaker 2: and yes, install them metal detectors and we got to
Speaker 2: make sure, you know, you're scanning their retinas as they're
Speaker 2: coming in or whatever. And so that is how you
Speaker 2: end up with the situation we are in where basically
Speaker 2: you cannot really live your life without being under mass
Speaker 2: surveillance from from the government. The other thing that I'll
Speaker 2: say is, you know, disconnector from that is I'm very
Speaker 2: curious to see where the conspiratorial minds go with this,
Speaker 2: because now you have very unclear motive.
Speaker 3: What the hell was going on here.
Speaker 2: This one guy that the professor that he murdered, was
Speaker 2: doing extraordinarily important breakthrough work with regard to nuclear fusion
Speaker 2: technology and so and now this guy's dead, so we'll
Speaker 2: never know, He'll never be able to tell us what
Speaker 2: he was thinking, or who he might have targeted next
Speaker 2: or whatever. So just brace yourself, for I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: going to be a lot of and look, I understand
Speaker 2: because I myself am like, what the hell's going on here?
Speaker 3: Too?
Speaker 2: And of course you should always be skeptical of government claims, etc.
Speaker 2: But I just I am sure that we're going to
Speaker 2: be in for a lot of a lot of speculation
Speaker 2: about what was really going on underneath the surface here
Speaker 2: and whether this is really the guy and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just a quick note, say, you cameras do
Speaker 4: not solve everything. Like almost every inch of New York's
Speaker 4: city is surveilled, and Luigi Mangioni was able to get
Speaker 4: to what Pennsylvania New York City has this partnership with Microsoft.
Speaker 4: There's like a lawsuit over it right now. Or they're
Speaker 4: doing like constant biometrics from cameras that are all over
Speaker 4: the city. So it doesn't solve everything. I think it's
Speaker 4: interesting that I do think that this subplot is interesting
Speaker 4: on the campus where there's mismanagement, because I wonder then
Speaker 4: to what extent it's going to bleed over to Mit.
Speaker 4: Not that the MIT professor was not on campus, was
Speaker 4: at his own apartment in Brookline, but a seriously scary
Speaker 4: situation in New England for several days. And now that
Speaker 4: the man was found, the suspectors found dead, they're not
Speaker 4: being clear about potential motives so far. There's plenty of
Speaker 4: time for that, obviously to come out, but it also
Speaker 4: leaves wide open the possibility that motivation remains a mystery.
Speaker 4: Hopefully that's not the case. Hopefully it's clear cut and
Speaker 4: we have information that comes up that makes it really
Speaker 4: clear what was going on. But it is I mean,
Speaker 4: when we were talking earlier about these connections that go
Speaker 4: back literally to Lisbon in the late nineties and then
Speaker 4: Brown in the early two thousands, you have, in the
Speaker 4: case of the professor who was killed, a like leading
Speaker 4: nuclear scientist. You have the vice president of the College
Speaker 4: Republicans at Brown. It's all very it's I genuinely hope
Speaker 4: that there's clear cut motive information out there because it's
Speaker 4: it is like fodder for conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: As you said, personal, well and Ran did you see
Speaker 2: Israel jumped in to say, oh, we think iron did it?
Speaker 5: Yes, they were They were yes, because yeah, a nuclear
Speaker 5: science is getting killed and they're like oh, and it's
Speaker 5: like no, you know what, like you're the only country
Speaker 5: actually that is just freely killing scientists and bragging about
Speaker 5: it like you're projecting onto others. That's this level of
Speaker 5: barbarity that that that did, certainly in this case, did
Speaker 5: not exist. And when it comes to the uh, the
Speaker 5: celebration of mass surveillance, it's interesting to note that the
Speaker 5: three high profile shooters over the last year have been
Speaker 5: caught by people. Whether you know, Luigi was caught by
Speaker 5: a person at the McDonald's like, hey, it looks like Luigi.
Speaker 5: Tyler Robinson if you believe he's a shooter there was
Speaker 5: turned in by his family who were like, oh, that
Speaker 5: looks like Tyler. And this guy caught by the Reddit
Speaker 5: user who who just saw him suspiciously walking through the
Speaker 5: Brown campus and followed him and then told police like
Speaker 5: so that's that's old school.
Speaker 6: So, you know, social policing, the community.
Speaker 5: Rising to the occasion and saying this is this is
Speaker 5: who it was, and then the police having that information
Speaker 5: and then tracking it down from there.
Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of a mix, right though, because
Speaker 2: the reason that Luigi and Tyler in particular were caught
Speaker 2: is because we had those camera images, whereas with this one,
Speaker 2: it actually truly was just this like reddit guy, like,
Speaker 2: this guy's acting really weird without even seeing I think
Speaker 2: the photos are the or the videos.
Speaker 6: But yeah, but I mean como yeah.
Speaker 10: Well two.
Speaker 4: And also that I think that's an important point because
Speaker 4: with Tyler Robinson and potentially in this case, you have
Speaker 4: to ask whether law enforcement, including the FBI, would have
Speaker 4: been able to nab the suspect had someone not stepped
Speaker 4: up and seen something or done something. I think that's
Speaker 4: particularly true in the Tyler Robinson case when you have
Speaker 4: his family doing the enormously difficult thing of turning him in.
Speaker 4: Does is he in custody if that doesn't happen, or
Speaker 4: does law enforcement, you know, in a reasonable time frame
Speaker 4: track him down that It's it's sort of saves the uh,
Speaker 4: saves the bacon of law enforcement to an extent to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pulling back cash once again, wasn't wasn't looking great
Speaker 2: on this one.
Speaker 3: And the other thing.
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to say about this is
Speaker 2: you had people who were saying with confidence, like, oh,
Speaker 2: we think this particular guy and named this one kid
Speaker 2: around university student and you know, his name went everywhere,
Speaker 2: large accounts sharing this guy's name and his photo and
Speaker 2: digging into everything about him, and he had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with this. They were also saying, Lori Lumer and
Speaker 2: others were oh, they shouted Allahu akbar before they know, No,
Speaker 2: actually they didn't. The killer did not do that. Apparently
Speaker 2: he was made some weird barking noises before he opened fire.
Speaker 2: People make shit up and they dos people and like
Speaker 2: ruin their lives based on, you know, a hunch, based
Speaker 2: on like, oh, their social media profile looks like this,
Speaker 2: and my political valance makes me think that it must
Speaker 2: be must be a Muslim person who's like that. And
Speaker 2: then they'll just casually ruin somebody's life. And we've seen
Speaker 2: this happen multiple times. When they were still searching for
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson, we didn't have a killer of Charlie Kirk
Speaker 2: doing the same ship with a bunch of different people.
Speaker 3: I'm one of our own fans of our show wrote
Speaker 3: and said, please tell people.
Speaker 2: To stop doing this. So please, I beg you not
Speaker 2: that anyone's going to listen. Stop doing this because you
Speaker 2: destroy people's lives and private people.
Speaker 3: Like this will be the only thing, you know.
Speaker 2: The biggest thing about them on the internet is that
Speaker 2: you know, people thought they they killed this high they
Speaker 2: were involved in this high profile murder. So I just
Speaker 2: I just find the whole the whole thing really disgusting,
Speaker 2: the baseless accusations and always again designed to fit some
Speaker 2: person into whatever political narrative they want to push with
Speaker 2: regard to the killing. All Right, so we've got today
Speaker 2: is Epstein Files Release Day.
Speaker 3: Ryan's got a big.
Speaker 4: Files release day to both of you.
Speaker 2: Indeed, this is put on the Santa Hat soh Rocanna
Speaker 2: and Thomas Massey partners together and Marjorie Taylor Green had
Speaker 2: a bit of a bipartisan push and enough Republicans coming
Speaker 2: on to the discharge petition to force a vote on this.
Speaker 2: President Trump sort of back down, realizing he was in
Speaker 2: a corner with this signed this law that says, you
Speaker 2: know you have to now release these files or else
Speaker 2: there will you will actually be in violation of the law,
Speaker 2: so the deadline is today. You also had a number
Speaker 2: of federal judges come in who were involved in the
Speaker 2: various like Glaine Maxwell and Epstein cases both in Florida,
Speaker 2: and then what was that in New York? Anyway, say,
Speaker 2: you know, we we agree that these materials, now that
Speaker 2: the law has been passed, need to be released. So
Speaker 2: we know that material will be included, and every be
Speaker 2: in Congress conveniently decided they would leave town early, so
Speaker 2: they're not They're gonna be totally out of dodge and
Speaker 2: make sure they're nowhere near whenever what comes out comes out.
Speaker 2: So Ryan, what are you you know, what do you
Speaker 2: think we should expect? Since you are I mean you
Speaker 2: probably the foremost journalists on this at this point in
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 3: Julie K.
Speaker 2: Brown, a few other Jason Leopold maas, of course, what
Speaker 2: do you think we should be looking for in this release?
Speaker 6: And that's kind of you.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't put myself there that so many journalists have
Speaker 5: been doing so much work on this, including Whitney Web
Speaker 5: for you know, for so long.
Speaker 6: You know, we've we've got we're relying.
Speaker 5: On this the Troncias stuff that's out and you know, Uh,
Speaker 5: so I think that there could be interesting stuff out
Speaker 5: of the grand jury testimony like that, could you know
Speaker 5: there could be some serious breadcrumbs there if people are
Speaker 5: wondering about the timing, the Trump's capitulation was very cleverly timed,
Speaker 5: like he because there's a thirty day timing, and so
Speaker 5: either it was luck or he recognized like oh, or
Speaker 5: his team recognized like if we do it right now
Speaker 5: and signing in the law now, the thirty days will
Speaker 5: land on the Friday before Christmas. So let's let's just
Speaker 5: let's just we're gonna lose this anyway, better to lose
Speaker 5: it now. Because so much of history, what we remember
Speaker 5: of history revolves around how big a deal a story
Speaker 5: was when it happened. And if a story just kind
Speaker 5: of gets muzzled when it happens like it, it's really
Speaker 5: difficult then to unearth it later as a major kind
Speaker 5: of quote unquote historical moment. It's like, why you know,
Speaker 5: some scandals are iran contrance. Some scandals are just kind
Speaker 5: of nobody's ever heard of them.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about the subs night too, because the
Speaker 4: shutdown is what prevented the bill from being the discharge
Speaker 4: petition from going through, and so it does. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know if it would be strategically, it would
Speaker 4: make sense that it was intentional, But also I wonder
Speaker 4: if it was just dumb luck because they came back
Speaker 4: from the shutdown and immediately the discharge petition which they
Speaker 4: were worried about, went through. They knew that was going
Speaker 4: to happen. But if that's luck, that is some incredible luck.
Speaker 4: Because you're totally right, Ryan, it'll ination too.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and yeah, maybe they'll wait till five.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can bury news though in
Speaker 2: the way that you used to be able to, because
Speaker 2: everybody's so it's not the same. The Friday news dump
Speaker 2: isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 4: And if anything, now that you have Christmas is on
Speaker 4: a Thursday this year, a lot of people are going
Speaker 4: to have a slow couple of weeks. Now you have
Speaker 4: like online sleuths who are going to make sure the
Speaker 4: story has legs because people have a little bit of
Speaker 4: extra time on their hands over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Democrats yesterday put out some new photos that
Speaker 5: you know, Dy'd obtained. They got more with Chomsky, just
Speaker 5: very depressing stuff. Showing how much he was pealing around
Speaker 5: with him and Ahood, Barack even and Bannon.
Speaker 2: Also some weird ass like Lolita quotes on people's feet
Speaker 2: and body parts.
Speaker 3: Do you guys see that? Yeah, so I can pull
Speaker 3: these up. Creepy, Yeah, very creepy.
Speaker 2: And you've also had The New York Times now deciding
Speaker 2: to get in the game with a couple of significant pieces,
Speaker 2: but one in particular. Yeah, there's the Lolita Lolita quotes
Speaker 2: on various body parts.
Speaker 3: So that's just really normal stuff.
Speaker 2: But the New York Times dug into his financing, and
Speaker 2: I know, Ryan you had some thoughts about that, but
Speaker 2: they also dug into specifically the relationship with Trump. And
Speaker 2: maybe I can pull up some of the quotes here.
Speaker 2: I know Jasper Nathaniel had pulled some of the key
Speaker 2: quotes from this. But you know, I mean, this won't
Speaker 2: be a surprise to any of us, because we know
Speaker 2: that Trump and Epstein have this very you know, significant relationship.
Speaker 2: But there were some details here that were for sure new.
Speaker 2: So one of the things is a an Epstein employee
Speaker 2: from the era, recalled mister Trump, would occasionally send over
Speaker 2: modeling cards for mister Epstein to peruse like a menu.
Speaker 2: And the Trump modeling agency has long been one of
Speaker 2: the like major red flags because these modeling agencies, including
Speaker 2: you know, I mean Epstein got close to Lex Wexner
Speaker 2: and he has Victoria's secret and that's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: But you know, Trump was very close to John Casablancas
Speaker 2: and sort of looked up to him as a role model.
Speaker 2: His modeling agency was maybe the most infamous and notorious
Speaker 2: for exploiting young girls, and he himself for exploiting young girls.
Speaker 2: And so the you know, the modeling agencies have been
Speaker 2: used as a front for effectively human trafficking, and that's
Speaker 2: a documented phenomenon.
Speaker 3: So that's obviously disturbing piece of information.
Speaker 2: There, You've got this gross detail where Trump would love to,
Speaker 2: you know, they'd love to like publicly brag about their exploits,
Speaker 2: put themselves on speaker phones, so whoever was in the
Speaker 2: room had to uncomfortably listen to whatever their like sexual exploits.
Speaker 2: Apparently they called each other all the time to share
Speaker 2: this sort of information. This One woman says she remembers
Speaker 2: one call in the mid nineties in which the two
Speaker 2: men discussed how much pubacare a particular woman had and
Speaker 2: whether there was enough for mister Epstein to fluss his
Speaker 2: teeth with. On another of these calls, mister Trump told
Speaker 2: mister Epstein about having sex with another woman on a
Speaker 2: pool table. This one is very disturbing. One of the
Speaker 2: fourteen year old models who was brought to mar A
Speaker 2: Lagos one of these parties event type things, says she
Speaker 2: ran into Trump's then wife, Marla Mables. According to her,
Speaker 2: she says, during a trip to the bathroom, they ran
Speaker 2: into mister Trump's new wife and they had met earlier.
Speaker 2: Miss Maples classed her hands. Miss Coleman recalled, looks you're
Speaker 2: in the eye. So this is the mother of the
Speaker 2: fourteen year old model and says, whatever you do, do
Speaker 2: not let her around any of these men, and especially
Speaker 2: my husband.
Speaker 3: Protect her.
Speaker 2: Now, Marla Maples denies that that that she said that
Speaker 2: and that that quote occurred. But in any case, some
Speaker 2: new new details there about the depth and nature of
Speaker 2: the Trump Epstein relationship, and I think gives some insight
Speaker 2: into why Trump was very, very not excited about any
Speaker 2: of this information coming to light.
Speaker 5: And remember Trump, miss teen USA. In order he's this
Speaker 5: is from his own testimony, in order for him to
Speaker 5: be able to creep into the locker room and look
Speaker 5: at the nude teens, like young teens like that.
Speaker 6: He said this on he said this publicly publicly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's no question that aside from the gross
Speaker 5: stuff he said like about his own daughter likes he's
Speaker 5: a gross.
Speaker 2: Put into this modeling industry by the way, which if
Speaker 2: you know, you know know what he knew is a
Speaker 2: real interesting choice.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And and there's that quote he gave to I guess
Speaker 5: was Vanity Fair or somebody where he said, yeah, Jeffrey
Speaker 5: Epstein likes him young, So like, yeah, all of this
Speaker 5: is but yeah, probably not surprising to people that he's
Speaker 5: as much of a creep.
Speaker 2: I think it's surprising to some people in a sense
Speaker 2: with the young girls apparently. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean this was always the glaring, like glaring blind
Speaker 2: spot for MAGA when they were very focused on Epstein
Speaker 2: and revealing you know, the connections with the elite circles,
Speaker 2: and it's like, you guys do know that this man
Speaker 2: was like Besti's with Donald Trump for a decade.
Speaker 3: You don't think there's going to be anything there. You
Speaker 3: don't think there's going to be anything there.
Speaker 2: So in any case, of course, you know what true
Speaker 2: what Trump would say, Oh go ahead, m.
Speaker 4: Well, I was just to say it goes back to
Speaker 4: the origins of MAGA, which is that Donald Trump was
Speaker 4: standing up on the stage and saying, I alone can
Speaker 4: fix it, for example, because I know the system. Uh,
Speaker 4: the same thing with the Clintons.
Speaker 6: Like fourteen USA, I can fix the problem.
Speaker 4: It was his whole but that but that goes into
Speaker 4: this just a runner point is that he pitched himself
Speaker 4: to MAGA as somebody who was and created MAGA as
Speaker 4: somebody who was the billionaire against the other billionaires. He
Speaker 4: was part of the billionaire system, but he was going
Speaker 4: to uh sort of disrupt it from the inside. And
Speaker 4: it is it is you know important. Then every time
Speaker 4: he does anything but disrupt the billionaire system from the inside,
Speaker 4: anytime he protects the billionaire system, anytime he's sort of
Speaker 4: revealed to be part of that system, I think it
Speaker 4: does you guys talked about earlier this week, Eve and
Speaker 4: Soger did a segment on Harry Enton looking at this
Speaker 4: pole result showing twenty twenty four Trump supporters. Strong support
Speaker 4: from Trump is down from sixty six percent to fifty percent,
Speaker 4: not super surprising, but at the same time it does
Speaker 4: I think lead you know, Erica Kirk and endorse JD.
Speaker 4: Vance yesterday at Turning Points big conference. That genuinely is surprising,
Speaker 4: not that she would endorse him, but that she would
Speaker 4: endorse him this early. And so there's it's setting a
Speaker 4: tone for what the Republican Party with the kind of
Speaker 4: populist wing of the Republican Party MAGA, is supposed to
Speaker 4: do going forward. If you're JD Vance, you should be
Speaker 4: looking at those numbers sixty six percent to fifty percent
Speaker 4: and thinking very hard about them because of things like this.
Speaker 6: And now if you want not that JD.
Speaker 4: Like obviously JD is connected to Teal and all of
Speaker 4: those people. So I'm just saying, like, the politics of it,
Speaker 4: I think are kind of interesting.
Speaker 5: Now when it comes to Emily and I talked about
Speaker 5: this a little bit on the show Wednesday when we
Speaker 5: talked about the New York Times story, and I promised
Speaker 5: or I pledged that we would try to have our
Speaker 5: story out by Friday, and we did get it out.
Speaker 5: The timing of the New York Times piece was helpful
Speaker 5: to us, I think, because we had been reporting around
Speaker 5: a lot of the same kind of period of time
Speaker 5: that they said that they uncovered the and put to
Speaker 5: bed the questions about like where he made his money
Speaker 5: and whether or not he had intelligence connections, not making
Speaker 5: any sense throughout the entire piece. Let me put this up,
Speaker 5: I would highly recommend reading this piece. It's it's also
Speaker 5: just fascinating as just a piece of kind of alternative
Speaker 5: like espionage history, because it's fair to think of Epstein
Speaker 5: almost as like the Forest Gump of the spy world,
Speaker 5: like when it comes to Iran Contra. He's just everywhere.
Speaker 5: And I highlighted this one paragraph from the New York
Speaker 5: Times piece here where they write Jeffrey Epstein had been
Speaker 5: spending extravagantly, and despite his lofty compensation at bear Stearns
Speaker 5: and his work for Douglas Lease, he found himself strapped,
Speaker 5: even occasionally bouncing rent checks. Back in New York, he
Speaker 5: joined forces with John Stanley Pottinger, a lawyer who had
Speaker 5: recently left a senior post in the Justice Department. Epstein, Pottinger,
Speaker 5: and Pottinger's brother rented a penthouse office in the Hotel
Speaker 5: San Mauritz on Central Park South. The broker Joanna Cutler
Speaker 5: told us that Epstein initially stiffed her on the commission.
Speaker 5: And so this is an example of some of the
Speaker 5: really impressive kind of shoe leather reporting that The Times
Speaker 5: did for this piece to track down all these details,
Speaker 5: Like they got Johanna Cutler on the phone and and
Speaker 5: got her to tell them, you know, that he's stiffed
Speaker 5: her on the commission and confirmed this this Uh, this
Speaker 5: arrangement in the penthouse. But as we argue and the piece,
Speaker 5: if they had looked in the other direction, looked upwards,
Speaker 5: they would have in this In this paragraph itself found
Speaker 5: two details worth exploring. One that Douglas Lease is himself
Speaker 5: an arms trafficker, and we talk about his his connection
Speaker 5: to the Iran Contra scandal, which was it's called Iran Contra,
Speaker 5: but right in the middle of it is Israel because
Speaker 5: the United States was barred from shipping weapons to Iran.
Speaker 5: And so the arrangement that we created was that Israel
Speaker 5: would send weapons to Iran, which is comical if you
Speaker 5: think about it, since they're but so Israel would ship
Speaker 5: weapons to Iran. Uh Iran would then pay, would would
Speaker 5: put money to the slush fund that Simon Perez uh
Speaker 5: Barack and on Koshogi were organizing and then.
Speaker 4: By the way, Trump by yacht, yes, this is Koshogi's uh,
Speaker 4: this is Jamal Kashogi's uncle in fact.
Speaker 5: And then the US would then backfill the weapons to Israel,
Speaker 5: so so we weren't giving weapons to Ron, We're giving
Speaker 5: them to Israel.
Speaker 6: We would then use and then.
Speaker 5: HESBLA then would release some hostages, American hostages that were
Speaker 5: being held, and we would use the money to illegally
Speaker 5: finance the conscious because Congress had said you can't finance
Speaker 5: this this this uh, you know, this insurgency against the
Speaker 5: Nicaragua leftist government, and so the Reagan administration used the
Speaker 5: proceeds to put them there. Now, Stanley Pottinger was a
Speaker 5: lawyer who was like heavily involved in the Iran Contra scandal,
Speaker 5: helping to set up the flows of money, and so
Speaker 5: they have so The Times found Epstein literally in business
Speaker 5: with an Iran contra lawyer at the time that the
Speaker 5: thing is unfolding, and Douglas Lease, who was also involved
Speaker 5: with it, and he was and he was associates with Koshogi.
Speaker 6: But go ahead, well, I was.
Speaker 4: Just gonna say so Trump's NSA starting in twenty nineteen
Speaker 4: was Matthew Pottinger, who is the son of John Stanley Pottinger,
Speaker 4: which is when Roe Connor now describes the Epstein class.
Speaker 4: Here's an example of the Epstein class. Doesn't mean anyone's
Speaker 4: necessarily implicated in this massive blackmail, right, It just means
Speaker 4: that it's all being pulled from the same small pool
Speaker 4: of people who are part of this like tightly knit network.
Speaker 5: But Pottinger, in his defense, actually he died recently, but
Speaker 5: he represented a bunch of Epstein victims.
Speaker 6: I think he whatever his tea.
Speaker 4: Although some people may be very suspicious of that because
Speaker 4: it could look like controlled opposition.
Speaker 5: Might be He's an interesting guy. He was almost ousted
Speaker 5: from the Nixon administration as part of the Saturday Night massacre,
Speaker 5: and he was like packing up his stuff, and then
Speaker 5: at the last minute the massacre was kind of stopped,
Speaker 5: so he kept his job. He also in this New
Speaker 5: York Times oh Bit, it says that he figured out
Speaker 5: who Deep Throat was as part of this grand jury process.
Speaker 6: He kept that secret.
Speaker 5: He then he then made a fortune in real estate
Speaker 5: in the eighties, and real estate. I'm not saying that
Speaker 5: he used around contra funds, but real estate was a
Speaker 5: major way that Iran Contra funds were laundered. Then he
Speaker 5: became a novelist, best selling novelist, and he's according to
Speaker 5: his time Spy thrill it hasn't been published yet. And
Speaker 5: then he and then he represented the Epstein victim. So like,
Speaker 5: what a an arc. Yeah, that that guy's life took.
Speaker 5: But then so you have all of this, the Epstein,
Speaker 5: Epstein being close with all of these different Iran Contra figures.
Speaker 5: After the lid gets blown on Iran Contra, the CIA's airlines,
Speaker 5: Southern air Transport, that was involved in this weapons shipments
Speaker 5: and drug running.
Speaker 6: Has to lay low for a while. And what we
Speaker 6: report here.
Speaker 5: Whitney Webb has written about this as well, but we
Speaker 5: have some new details from a journalist in Ohio who
Speaker 5: covered this at the time. Jeffrey Epstein brought Southern air Transport,
Speaker 5: the CIA's front company airline, to Columbus, Ohio. They ship
Speaker 5: moved the headquarters from Miami to Columbus, Ohio to start
Speaker 5: trafficking lingerie and fast fashion.
Speaker 4: For less wet trafficking.
Speaker 5: So and as one friend responded last night, it's like, well,
Speaker 5: this is something decent that Epstein did for the world.
Speaker 5: So instead of trafficking drugs and like guns for the CIA,
Speaker 5: these planes for a couple of years were moving you know, you.
Speaker 3: Know, crappyumbshell, push up brass.
Speaker 6: Right Victoria's secret.
Speaker 5: So it's like, okay, maybe there's no Intel connections here
Speaker 5: at all, but how on earth did this guy end
Speaker 5: up bringing the CIA's airplanes to les Wexner, Like, Times
Speaker 5: is going to have to do a little bit better
Speaker 5: than just hand waving it away with With these kinds
Speaker 5: of details out there, it's kind of kind of like
Speaker 5: kind of suspicious activity to be involved in.
Speaker 2: It was very interesting to me how much The New
Speaker 2: York Times wanted to say, like, oh, case closed, solve this,
Speaker 2: figured it out, No Intel, cut ties, no blackmail, no nothing,
Speaker 2: nothing to see here, and then did a bunch of
Speaker 2: reporting that does not at all rule out those possibilities,
Speaker 2: and in fact, it raises even more questions about them,
Speaker 2: as your reporting points out.
Speaker 5: And we also make the point in the preamble of
Speaker 5: the piece that in order to acquit him of all
Speaker 5: of these like links to Intel and to say that
Speaker 5: there was nothing interesting going on here, what they had
Speaker 5: to do was craft this anti semitic.
Speaker 6: Caricature of the guy.
Speaker 5: Hm hmmm, just like in a genuinely offensive way, because
Speaker 5: all they're left with is like, oh, he's just a
Speaker 5: giant con artist. And you go through it and you're like,
Speaker 5: this is actually like what are you doing here? But
Speaker 5: it's almost like what's the Barry gold It's like a
Speaker 5: version of the back Barry Goldwater quote you would say,
Speaker 5: anti Semitism in defense of the liberty of Israel is
Speaker 5: no viruce.
Speaker 3: A lot of people apparently view it that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just check that piece out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, read the piece, because it just completely if this
Speaker 4: is all just a coincidence, it's the greatest coincidence of
Speaker 4: all time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and to I don't know, also to make the
Speaker 2: claims that the Times did of like oh there's no
Speaker 2: Intel connection, and to not even you know, not even
Speaker 2: reference the reporting that you and others have done, I
Speaker 2: think is also just very you know, very lazy, also
Speaker 2: very condescending, you know, like you don't even exist.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 5: We even got a we have a Times quote for
Speaker 5: the piece because I put all this to them. They said, quote,
Speaker 5: we report on facts that we are able to confirm,
Speaker 5: not supposition.
Speaker 4: Well, what a bunch of these these are facts.
Speaker 6: Like these are these are facts. You're welcome to report
Speaker 6: on them.
Speaker 5: If you can't, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, super excited to have this morning with
Speaker 2: us Corey Archibald and Casey Kennedy, who are the co
Speaker 2: founders of track Apak who recently went public stop being
Speaker 2: anonymous on our show, which we.
Speaker 3: Were very privileged to have you guys there. Great to
Speaker 3: see you both, Thank good morning.
Speaker 11: Thanks for having us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I wanted to talk to you guys again
Speaker 2: because I feel like the question of a PAC funding
Speaker 2: and overall position on Israel it's just become such a
Speaker 2: central issue, in particular in Democratic primaries, although showing up
Speaker 2: in some Republican primaries as well. So I wanted to
Speaker 2: touch base with you guys about some of the races
Speaker 2: that you see as being really significant, just in terms
Speaker 2: of that funding question being a dividing line. But before
Speaker 2: I jumped into that, I wanted to just ask you, so,
Speaker 2: how how have things been going? How is it now,
Speaker 2: you know, coming out and being public faces. I know
Speaker 2: you guys have gotten a lot of scrutiny online. Casey,
Speaker 2: I know you have been punished in terms of your career.
Speaker 2: You lost your job for the work that you're doing,
Speaker 2: so Casey, maybe start with you on how things are going.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's definitely been a tumultuous month, to say the least.
Speaker 10: Shortly after we did our initial interview with you, folks,
Speaker 10: I did lose my job. That followed a dosing and
Speaker 10: harassment campaign from accounts like stop Anti Semitism and that
Speaker 10: whole network of Wow Israel troll accounts. Basically, they my
Speaker 10: employer just didn't want to deal with that, so I'm
Speaker 10: no longer with them. But on the bright side, the
Speaker 10: silver lining is that's really just unleashed me and given
Speaker 10: me all the time in the world to focus now
Speaker 10: on this. What's up until now been a volunteer time
Speaker 10: passion project for me. Now I can really focus on
Speaker 10: it full time and work on a lot of things
Speaker 10: that I've been pushing to the back burner, and I'm
Speaker 10: excited for the opportunity to work on it even more.
Speaker 2: Did you expect when you came forward, did you expect
Speaker 2: it would be a problem for your employer or did
Speaker 2: that kind of come out of the blue for you.
Speaker 10: I was definitely unsure I was operating the account anonymously
Speaker 10: for that exact reason. I just didn't want to risk it. Obviously,
Speaker 10: wasn't informing them of like what I was doing during
Speaker 10: my free time, and I thought that I might be
Speaker 10: able to explain where I was coming from and maybe,
Speaker 10: you know, work out a way to keep my job.
Speaker 11: But it all just ups pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: And it's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, all you do is put for publicly available information,
Speaker 2: compile publicly available information.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's pretty awful that people can just make smears
Speaker 10: and just really baseless claims and have that up in
Speaker 10: somebody's livelihood.
Speaker 11: So I know I'm not the only one.
Speaker 10: I'll be okay. I have other means to make my living.
Speaker 10: A lot of other people don't. And I think that's
Speaker 10: a really important point that we have to keep pushing
Speaker 10: in this narrative. You're seeing a lot of shift right
Speaker 10: now happening and happening in the political spectrum. But it's
Speaker 10: not only in the political spectrum that we need to
Speaker 10: have this attention focused. It's regular people who are speaking
Speaker 10: up who are also being executed and targeted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Corey, how about you?
Speaker 4: Oh got it?
Speaker 12: No, As Casey said, it has definitely been a very
Speaker 12: tumultuous month. I have not had the same kind of
Speaker 12: impact in scrutiny that he has, although I've certainly had
Speaker 12: people picking through my very online life that I have
Speaker 12: lived for decades, and you know, congratulations, you uncovered things
Speaker 12: that I post about constantly. Well done you, I guess,
Speaker 12: But I guess people are supposed to. They want me
Speaker 12: to be ashamed of who I am, and I'm not.
Speaker 12: I'm proud of the work that I've done and what
Speaker 12: we've been able to achieve through this project, And if anything,
Speaker 12: those kinds of attacks and scrutinies just make us more
Speaker 12: determined to keep doing what we're doing.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's turn to the topic at hand.
Speaker 2: There's a ton of races that we could have picked
Speaker 2: to focus on. But Corey, why don't you go ahead
Speaker 2: and give us a little bit of a rundown of
Speaker 2: a few of the democratic primaries that you're really watching
Speaker 2: where the question of APAC funding has taken a sort
Speaker 2: of central spotlight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Well, we are, as many people are.
Speaker 12: We are closely following and engaging with both races for
Speaker 12: Corey Bush and her rematch against Wesley Bell, and Abdillel
Speaker 12: said both of those races are important to us not
Speaker 12: only because of who the candidates are, especially because of
Speaker 12: who the candidates are and because of what they represent
Speaker 12: and they are objectively the best choice in in those primaries,
Speaker 12: but also I got a little personal connection to both
Speaker 12: races in the sense that I worked very closely with
Speaker 12: Corey Bush in her first two months for Congress, and
Speaker 12: I took it very personally, the way that she was
Speaker 12: attacked and smeared by a PAK. It was part of
Speaker 12: the reason for the the inspiration for founding this pack
Speaker 12: and for joining up with Casey and working on this project.
Speaker 12: And then of course abdlals he's running against Hailey Stevens,
Speaker 12: who is another another villain. APAG dumped truckloads of cash
Speaker 12: into the race against Andy Levin to get her into office.
Speaker 12: And so that's another one that I take up a personally,
Speaker 12: and so for that reason, you know, those are those
Speaker 12: are two races that are I think have the opportunity
Speaker 12: once those two are are in, once Corey is restored
Speaker 12: to Congress and once Abdullah's in the Senate, I think
Speaker 12: they will have a significant impact on the direction of
Speaker 12: democratic policy.
Speaker 3: And so those are very important races to us.
Speaker 12: But you know, they're also a number of other races
Speaker 12: that we have we've supported.
Speaker 2: And sorry, just really quickly on Abdullah SiO, because there's
Speaker 2: another significant contender in that race, Mallory McMorrow, and actually
Speaker 2: haven't followed closely.
Speaker 3: What is she?
Speaker 2: What is she said or has she said anything with
Speaker 2: regard to to APAC funding. What's your sense there?
Speaker 3: In casey, I'll let you take the stress.
Speaker 10: So Malarie McMorrow has been an interesting kind of case
Speaker 10: study for how the needle has been moving on this
Speaker 10: topic within the Democratic Party.
Speaker 6: I'll pull up my story while you're talking.
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, that you had a great piece on that.
Speaker 10: She actually some supporters had kind of leaked to the
Speaker 10: press that they had read a position paper that she
Speaker 10: had submitted to a pro Israel organization, which we're pretty
Speaker 10: sure based on reporting it all.
Speaker 11: Now, just leak it to the press and they gave
Speaker 11: it to Graham dug it up. Is that how it
Speaker 11: originally came to Okay, okay, Ryan at.
Speaker 13: The Press Michigan Sites and Ryan Graham broke that Malary
Speaker 13: McMorrow had submitted a position paper to a pro Israel group,
Speaker 13: which was an APAC confirmed at that time, right out the.
Speaker 5: Gate, it wasn't a so her her supporter said it
Speaker 5: was a pack. I suspect that it was actually d
Speaker 5: m f I Democratic Majority for Israel, and that the
Speaker 5: supporter was using a pack as a shorthand because DMFI
Speaker 5: is a shorthand, which is what we do.
Speaker 12: I mean, we we use a pack as kind of
Speaker 12: a shorthand to refer to the whole lobby.
Speaker 3: But anyway, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so they saw an a position paper, but
Speaker 5: I think it was d m FI.
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, fair enough. Apac ally d m f I.
Speaker 10: She had submitted a position paper, and obviously that what
Speaker 10: that position paper hasn't been made public, but we can
Speaker 10: infer what was included in there based on the comments.
Speaker 6: Of those supporters outstanding.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, they really gave her a lot of praise
Speaker 10: for her strong pro Israel position. And we also found
Speaker 10: out that she had taken a trip to Israel, which
Speaker 10: we believe was with the American Israel Education Foundation is
Speaker 10: APAX nonprofit arm.
Speaker 11: So that's definitely concerning.
Speaker 4: She has.
Speaker 10: Said that she agrees it could meet the definition of genocide,
Speaker 10: but it's not the forthright conviction that we're looking for
Speaker 10: in a candidate in this moment who we're really looking
Speaker 10: down the moral clarity to take a bold stand and
Speaker 10: not be kind of hedging their bets of where special
Speaker 10: interests might come after them for speaking the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of feels like her vibe on a
Speaker 2: range of issues on healthcare as well, she's tried to
Speaker 2: kind of you know, yeah signal, Yeah, I love that
Speaker 2: universal well here, but here's why we can't do it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it feels like she's kind of threading a needle.
Speaker 10: You can see she's sort of pinned between the progressive
Speaker 10: lane that abdulah al Sayed is filling and the establishment
Speaker 10: lane that Hailey Stevens is filling with the backing of APAX.
Speaker 10: So that's another one where the split is going to
Speaker 10: be interesting to see.
Speaker 11: I'm not sure right now how that's going.
Speaker 6: To play out.
Speaker 11: The polls have them pretty evenly matched.
Speaker 3: All three of them. Yeah, pretty close.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, there would be some interesting plays for sure
Speaker 10: in that race.
Speaker 2: Ryan, maybe you should set up for us the Nita
Speaker 2: Alam race because I know that's a versus Valerie Fushi,
Speaker 2: which is another one that I know you've done a
Speaker 2: lot of reporting on, and then we can get Corey
Speaker 2: and Casey to weigh in on that one as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this race, this is a rematch of a race
Speaker 5: from twenty twenty two. When Nita Alam announced her candidacy.
Speaker 5: She was a county commissioner from Durham and she was
Speaker 5: close if you remember, she was close friends with a
Speaker 5: group of Muslim men who were a victim of a
Speaker 5: hate crime. If it was this like horrific like national
Speaker 5: story where several men were killed in Durham, and it
Speaker 5: became like huge news, definitely in North Carolina, but even
Speaker 5: around the country and around the world, and that inspired
Speaker 5: her to get into to local office. So she ran
Speaker 5: became accounting mission, then she ran for the House seat,
Speaker 5: and then Value Fouchet came in with enormous amounts of backing,
Speaker 5: not just from APAC but also from Crypto, and she
Speaker 5: ended up only Nita Alam ended up only losing by
Speaker 5: four points or something you guys might remember betterly four
Speaker 5: thousand votes or very very very close race, even though
Speaker 5: she was outspent absolutely massively. Now North Carolina has redrawn
Speaker 5: the district and it's actually more favorable now to an alum.
Speaker 5: If she would if this would have been the old district,
Speaker 5: she actually probably would have won even given the massive
Speaker 5: amount of crypto and APAC money being spent. As we
Speaker 5: covered on breaking Points, Fouchet throughout the last couple of
Speaker 5: years or has kind of turned against Israel. She's made
Speaker 5: some critical comments and an interesting way and in the
Speaker 5: back of her mind, and I was assumed, but definitely
Speaker 5: in the back of my mind as she was doing
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I bet she assumes that it
Speaker 5: is going to launch another challenge to her and sees
Speaker 5: this as a massive political vulnerability because there's just so
Speaker 5: much money on the table and either you guys can respond,
Speaker 5: but while you do, I'll just put up this DMFI
Speaker 5: put out yesterday. It's list of dozens of endorsements of
Speaker 5: Democrats across the country, and Fouchet was not on there,
Speaker 5: which is which is quite interesting because it either means
Speaker 5: they're so frustrated that she distanced herself from them, you know,
Speaker 5: anticipating this challenge, or they recognize that even rebranded as DMFI,
Speaker 5: this pro Israel money is just too damaging in a
Speaker 5: democratic primary to be public about.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think Valor fusci Is is someone
Speaker 12: who I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I actually learned this recently.
Speaker 4: I think it is Fushi. I used to say fouche also,
Speaker 4: but I if.
Speaker 3: Well one of us is correct.
Speaker 6: When Crystal said fush, I was like, that might actually
Speaker 6: be right.
Speaker 3: I just have only ever read it.
Speaker 6: So I'm.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I was actually corrected on it by someone from
Speaker 12: North Carolina recently, so I'll take that as as gospel.
Speaker 12: But I you know this is this isn't another interesting
Speaker 12: case because you know, what we see happening with her,
Speaker 12: I think is is representative of the work that we're
Speaker 12: trying to achieve here. We want politicians to change their positions.
Speaker 12: We want them to recognize that they are are creating
Speaker 12: a political liability for themselves by by working with a
Speaker 12: PACK and d M F I and so I. In
Speaker 12: one sense, it's hard to know because I'm not inside
Speaker 12: somebody's head, so I don't know exactly how genuine her
Speaker 12: her shift is. But I would say that, paired with
Speaker 12: her somewhat critical comments of the genocide in Gaza, I
Speaker 12: think it does seem to be something of a genuine
Speaker 12: change in her position. And to that, I'll say I've
Speaker 12: spent a lot of twenty twenty five feeling, on one hand,
Speaker 12: very like immensely relieved to see such a shift in
Speaker 12: a lot of politicians and public figures and how they
Speaker 12: view what's happening in Gaza and our role and our
Speaker 12: complicity in it. But on the other hand, it's so
Speaker 12: frustrating because a lot of people had to die for
Speaker 12: you to learn that lesson, and it just feels like
Speaker 12: she's a little late to the game. Like, I welcome
Speaker 12: the change. I hope it's genuine. I feel that it's genuine.
Speaker 12: You know, time will tell, but you know, if I
Speaker 12: have to choose between someone who was late to the
Speaker 12: game in that way on such a life or death matter,
Speaker 12: I'll take the person who was on the right side
Speaker 12: the whole time.
Speaker 2: And what are some of the other There were a
Speaker 2: couple of other races that you guys had sent me
Speaker 2: that were ones that I was less familiar with. One
Speaker 2: is the congressional race that now Colin Alred has jumped
Speaker 2: into in Texas after he withdrew from the Senate race.
Speaker 2: Talk about a few of the races that are a
Speaker 2: little bit more under the radar for people.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So now down in Texas, in the newly redistricted
Speaker 10: thirty third district, there's a candidate that were supporting named
Speaker 10: Zishan Hafeez. He is going to be running against in
Speaker 10: the primary Colin Alred, who just dropped out of the
Speaker 10: Texas Senate race to go run for a seat in
Speaker 10: Congress in the House, and also Representative Julie Johnson, who's
Speaker 10: currently representing the thirty second district, is going to be
Speaker 10: campaigning in the thirty third district for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 10: Julie Johnson is an active APAC backed Rep. She's only
Speaker 10: taken in a little over forty thousand dollars from the
Speaker 10: Israel lobby, but she votes in lockstep with them. Colin
Speaker 10: Alred has accepted over six hundred and forty six thousand
Speaker 10: dollars from pro Israel groups including APAC and DMFI in
Speaker 10: the past, although it seems he did stop taking APAC
Speaker 10: and DMFI money after the twenty twenty two cycle, but
Speaker 10: again looking at his voting record, he was a pretty
Speaker 10: reliable pro Israel vote in the House. So in this race,
Speaker 10: we are supporting Zishan Hafiz. He's committed to rejecting APAK
Speaker 10: and the Israel Lobby outright, and he's calling for overturning
Speaker 10: Citizens United to get big money out of our politics.
Speaker 10: He's never taken any corporate money. This is something that
Speaker 10: he's made really foundational to in a central plank of
Speaker 10: his campaign. And these are the kind of candidates that
Speaker 10: we're looking to get involved with who really have the
Speaker 10: backbone to stand up call of genocide to genocide and
Speaker 10: do what they can in their capacity as a federal
Speaker 10: representative to stop our complicity in this genocide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like one where there's a very very
Speaker 2: clear divide there.
Speaker 12: And if I could just jump in really quickly on
Speaker 12: both of these two races that we just talked about,
Speaker 12: you know, the North Carolina four race and the Texas
Speaker 12: thirty three races are two primaries are coming up very soon.
Speaker 12: March third is the primary for both both of these races.
Speaker 12: We are less than ninety days away, and we're also
Speaker 12: hit sound like fundraiser, but I am one. We are
Speaker 12: coming up on the end of quarter. So you know,
Speaker 12: if you're if you're sitting at home and you're looking
Speaker 12: for Canadas to support, like, this is the moment to
Speaker 12: pay attention. This is the moment to think about these
Speaker 12: races because these are this is the point at which
Speaker 12: we decide what the future of the Democratic Party is
Speaker 12: going to look like no matter what Ken Martin decides
Speaker 12: to bury and.
Speaker 2: Corey tell me a little bit, or Casey whoever's you know,
Speaker 2: wants to jump on it about California seven and may
Speaker 2: Vang go for that one?
Speaker 10: Casey, Yeah, So my Vang is challenging APAC backed Rep.
Speaker 10: Doris Matsui. Doris Matsui is eighty one years old and
Speaker 10: she's running for real election. She actually filled the seat
Speaker 10: of her late husband, Bob Matsui, who died in Congress
Speaker 10: back in two thousand and five. Doris Matsui is another
Speaker 10: reliable pro is reel vote. She consistently ranks among the
Speaker 10: most pro is Real votes in the Democratic Caucus and
Speaker 10: she sends married a billionaire. So she is just really
Speaker 10: out of touch with what we need in these times.
Speaker 10: She's not bringing the fight to all the corruption and
Speaker 10: the madness that we see going on in Washington, and
Speaker 10: my Vang.
Speaker 11: Has stepped up.
Speaker 10: She's a I believe she's a city council member currently,
Speaker 10: and she is outright rejecting APEC in the Israel lobby
Speaker 10: corporate money, and she calls a genocide a genocide. She's
Speaker 10: really bringing the pressure to Doris Matsui, who has previously
Speaker 10: not spent a lot of time in the district. You'll
Speaker 10: see her making her campaign stops now. You can tell
Speaker 10: she's feeling the pressure. And this kind of young, exciting
Speaker 10: candidate is another one that we're thrilled to see stepping
Speaker 10: up into the ring.
Speaker 2: And then the last one you guys had sent me
Speaker 2: and then we had some sort of broader, more general questions.
Speaker 2: But was Cameron CAASKI who, Yeah, Kyle and actually just
Speaker 2: interviewed him last week. He's running in the seat in
Speaker 2: New York that's opened up by Jerry Nadler's retirement. Very
Speaker 2: crowded primary. A bunch of people jumped into that one.
Speaker 2: What makes Cameron stand out to you, guys?
Speaker 12: Yeah, so Cameron is I mean, for one, I've followed
Speaker 12: his activism since the days of Parkland, and I've just
Speaker 12: been so impressed with him as an activist and the
Speaker 12: way that he consistently speaks so clearly on issues. He's
Speaker 12: not afraid to take a stand, and he has certainly
Speaker 12: demonstrated that in the short time that he's been running
Speaker 12: this campaign. There's no other candidate in this race currently
Speaker 12: that as you said, it's a very crowded primary, and
Speaker 12: yet not a single one of them in a district
Speaker 12: that heavily favored Zoran in the recent mayor election, not
Speaker 12: a single one of them has come out very clearly
Speaker 12: and made a stand about Israel committing a genocide, calling
Speaker 12: for an arms embargo, or rejecting support from APAC and
Speaker 12: the Israel lobby just generally. So he is the most
Speaker 12: clear on this issue.
Speaker 3: And he I think he.
Speaker 12: Just represents such an important voice that I think would
Speaker 12: would be a real game changer in Congress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for people who don't know he was there,
Speaker 2: he survived the Parkland shooting. You know, he's seventeen years old.
Speaker 2: He became an activist. He talks about, you know, starting
Speaker 2: that organization sitting in his bedroom, and also has really
Speaker 2: been through the ring. Are you know, the Alex Jones
Speaker 2: and these people saying he's a crisis actor and all that.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if it was Alex Jones specific,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that, but there were right wing activists
Speaker 2: saying that he was a crisis actor. And so he
Speaker 2: has really been through the fire in terms of political activism,
Speaker 2: and you know, I was really impressed with him when
Speaker 2: I spoke with him last week as well.
Speaker 3: How much do you so?
Speaker 2: One of the questions I had for you guys that
Speaker 2: I think we touched on before and you've kind of
Speaker 2: touched on here as well, is politicians are starting to
Speaker 2: get the memo of like, oh, I should say I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not going to take ape. You saw Gavin Newsom,
Speaker 2: after initially just being like that's interesting, that's an interesting
Speaker 2: question saying no, I'm not going to take any APAC money.
Speaker 2: Although Ryan feels like he left himself a little wiggle
Speaker 2: room there, but in any case, he clearly wanted to give.
Speaker 3: The impression exactly that was his answer.
Speaker 2: Milton came out, oh no, even after he had asked
Speaker 2: a pack to support him.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I don't want anything to do with
Speaker 3: these people.
Speaker 2: So what are the follow up questions that people should
Speaker 2: be asking as it increasingly becomes clear that this is
Speaker 2: a politically toxic position. But you know you're going to
Speaker 2: have politicians who want to have their cake and eat
Speaker 2: it too, want a signal to the base like oh, yeah, totally,
Speaker 2: I'm with you guys. I'm against I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say it's a genocide. But I'm against bad things, but
Speaker 2: at the same time, they still want to be able
Speaker 2: to get that money and that support from the Israel lobby.
Speaker 2: So what are the follow up questions that people should
Speaker 2: be asking?
Speaker 4: And can I just tack on to that quickly to
Speaker 4: ask are there new other than like Newsome doing? I
Speaker 4: don't know if anyone could pull off what Newsom did
Speaker 4: quite like Newsom did, But are there new lines that
Speaker 4: we're seeing be rolled out kind of to either mask
Speaker 4: or hedge. Is there anything you people should be paying
Speaker 4: attention to specifically? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Great question, Yeah, I think Okay, So do you want
Speaker 3: to go first.
Speaker 10: Or I can you just I'll jump on Emily's point
Speaker 10: real real quick there, just while I have it in
Speaker 10: my mind, I would say standing against sending offensive weapons
Speaker 10: to Israel is a big one for us. We're that's
Speaker 10: that is what we see as hedging. A weapon is
Speaker 10: a weapon, a bomb is a bomb. The more bombs
Speaker 10: that you send to Israel, the more for self defense,
Speaker 10: the more bombs they have to use for offense. So
Speaker 10: that's definitely a line that we see as kind of
Speaker 10: a red flag when we're assessing candidates, and we will
Speaker 10: probe to find out more Corey, did you want to
Speaker 10: jump on that.
Speaker 3: Up, Yeah, I think just to add on to that point.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's like Rashida Siliev has talked about this,
Speaker 12: you know, she has said the words a weapon is
Speaker 12: a weapon, and others have made the point that even
Speaker 12: if we even if we take at face value, even
Speaker 12: if we just accepts as truth, what is stated that
Speaker 12: the weapons that we provide for what are supposed to
Speaker 12: be defensive purposes are only used in that capacity. Well,
Speaker 12: certainly it frees up military resources for them to be
Speaker 12: able to focus on not only committing genocide and Gaza,
Speaker 12: but also attacking you know, their neighbors and and creating
Speaker 12: you know, hostilities in all parts of the region. So
Speaker 12: I think the only thing that sends a message because
Speaker 12: so much of our of so much of the support
Speaker 12: that goes into the the Israeli military comes from US,
Speaker 12: US aid, the only way to send a message that
Speaker 12: we are no longer on board with with what you're
Speaker 12: doing is to say you're cut off, and and that's
Speaker 12: that's the line that needs to be drawn. So we're
Speaker 12: not going to hedge and split hairs on what's an
Speaker 12: offensive and what's a defensive weapon, either when there is
Speaker 12: there There are very clear US laws that state that
Speaker 12: if that if someone is receiving US military aid and
Speaker 12: they are committing war crimes, which Israel very clearly has
Speaker 12: in multiple ways, then we are supposed to cut off
Speaker 12: the supply of aid.
Speaker 4: That that is.
Speaker 12: That's that's our own laws that we're violating when we,
Speaker 12: you know, try to split hairs and say what's defensive
Speaker 12: and what's offensive.
Speaker 5: How do you guys count the money that shows up
Speaker 5: when it says like forty thousand dollars from pro Israel groups?
Speaker 6: Like, is that a pack? So it's going to be
Speaker 6: CANVM fire?
Speaker 5: Is it also people who have previously given to a
Speaker 5: pack Like what's the So.
Speaker 10: Up until now it has been money from pro Israel,
Speaker 10: any pro Israel pack. So there's like a whole slate
Speaker 10: beyond a pack and d M five of these smaller
Speaker 10: groups that within the Israel lobby ecosystem. We've got a
Speaker 10: full spreadsheet of them on our website. But basically we
Speaker 10: take those pack IDs and then just we run an fecort,
Speaker 10: So we pull it from the Federal Election Commission and
Speaker 10: it just aggregates the data of how much has gone
Speaker 10: through the pack to the candidate. That can also include
Speaker 10: like conduit contributions, so like a PAC will bundle all
Speaker 10: the donor money through their website or through their portal
Speaker 10: and them to the candidate. So that's where those numbers.
Speaker 10: We also track the independent expenditures, So if a pack
Speaker 10: or any of their allies are spending independently to run
Speaker 10: ads or any other campaign activity on behalf of the
Speaker 10: candidate or to attack their opponent, will also add that
Speaker 10: into the candidate's lobby total.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that has a lot to do with why Wesley
Speaker 12: Bells and George Latimer's totals are so high because a
Speaker 12: lot of them was the independent expenditure.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, they hope we are money come in
Speaker 3: for them. But we are expanding on that.
Speaker 12: So as I think we mentioned the last time we
Speaker 12: saw you guys that you know, a pack is starting
Speaker 12: to change tactics.
Speaker 3: They've always kind of done this.
Speaker 12: They've always created these these like seek donation portals where
Speaker 12: where you know, donors can just go straight they get
Speaker 12: a you know, a link straight to a person's donation
Speaker 12: page where they can donate without having to like have
Speaker 12: the label a pack attached to it. But we see,
Speaker 12: you know there's been reporting recently about how they are
Speaker 12: increasing use of that tactic, and we expect that they will.
Speaker 12: And so one of the things that we're doing with
Speaker 12: as we ramp up and we're we're working to expand
Speaker 12: our teams, we're going to be expanding our data capabilities
Speaker 12: so that we can more carefully track these large donors
Speaker 12: that are you know, very closely affiliated with a pack.
Speaker 12: They're consistent APACK donors, and they're also funneling like you'll
Speaker 12: see like big money drops that happen, you know, in
Speaker 12: a coordinated fashion, and so we want to be able
Speaker 12: to track and report on that more accurately so that
Speaker 12: we can reflect the genuine total that's coming into these
Speaker 12: these reports.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you would think it would be something that that
Speaker 5: ll MS could even help with, you know. In other words,
Speaker 5: if you've got let's say you've got a donor who
Speaker 5: has given you know, more than five thousand dollars over
Speaker 5: the last several cycles to a to a pack or
Speaker 5: to d MFI, so you know that that's like, that's
Speaker 5: like an APAC donor, and then you see them maxing
Speaker 5: out to a candidate, and then on that same day
Speaker 5: you see ten other people max out to that candidate
Speaker 5: like right, you couldn't. You couldn't say that's one hundred
Speaker 5: percent a PAC money, but you could be like this
Speaker 5: is yeah, exactly, It's very likely this was this was coordinated.
Speaker 5: This was either a fundraiser or an email that went
Speaker 5: out to this group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, there's the hallmarks.
Speaker 6: Of yes, yes, there's the hallmarks of real information.
Speaker 2: This is actually a good segue to ask you, guys,
Speaker 2: how can people support your work because you are continuing
Speaker 2: to expand and as you said, this is this is
Speaker 2: really you know, crunch time in terms of these democratic primaries,
Speaker 2: but also, as I said, it's a relevant issue in
Speaker 2: increasing on the Republican side as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So, for example, if you are interested in supporting any
Speaker 12: of the races that we just talked about and supporting
Speaker 12: our work in amplifying those races, a great place to
Speaker 12: go is to TRACKAPAC dot com slash endorsements. That will
Speaker 12: take you to page that has all of our endorsed
Speaker 12: candidates on it that you that we just discussed, and
Speaker 12: each one of them links to a tandem donate page
Speaker 12: where you can split a contribution between between our organization
Speaker 12: and that campaign directly. Those tandem forms really are something
Speaker 12: like they can.
Speaker 3: Raise a lot.
Speaker 12: I think we raised what was it over twenty thousand
Speaker 12: dollars for aften Bay on our Herd tandem form just
Speaker 12: in the last few weeks lead up to that special election.
Speaker 12: So you know this, this is a really powerful tool
Speaker 12: to amplify the grassroots effect. And it not only puts
Speaker 12: money directly into those campaigns that could really use those boosts,
Speaker 12: but it also amplifies what we're able to do in
Speaker 12: support of them on the IE side.
Speaker 5: Man, as you guys, as you guys grow, there's going
Speaker 5: to be more scrutiny on you. And because you guys
Speaker 5: are talking specifically about you know, campaign finance and and spending,
Speaker 5: it's it's going to be increasingly important probably to be
Speaker 5: way way more transparent than a normal organization is with
Speaker 5: the spending. So would you guys commit to some sort
Speaker 5: of independent audit or something that that tracks track, track
Speaker 5: apac so that people who are like giving money like,
Speaker 5: because you're going to have people in this world who
Speaker 5: are like, no, no, these are just grifters who are
Speaker 5: like cashing in because FEC reports are very confusing and
Speaker 5: you see money moving in and moving out and it's
Speaker 5: very easy for people to just screenshot and be like, hmm,
Speaker 5: what's going on here, and then it discredits everything that's
Speaker 5: going on. So have you thought about how you're going
Speaker 5: to use some level of transparency to counteract what is like,
Speaker 5: like I can guarantee that's coming if it hasn't.
Speaker 3: All, we're already seeing some of that.
Speaker 12: I mean, there's there's been some critics from the left
Speaker 12: that just say, oh, you're just drifting. I mean, as
Speaker 12: you said, the FEC reports are are out there, it's
Speaker 12: publicly available data. It can be hard to parse. Absolutely,
Speaker 12: We've always been very conservative in our spending, so like
Speaker 12: we've been building up our war chest to be able
Speaker 12: to put as much as we can. In fact, until
Speaker 12: very very recently, Casey and I weren't even taking a
Speaker 12: salary from the pack, so you know, we've been very
Speaker 12: conservative in that way that we just really wanted to build.
Speaker 3: Up our resources. I mean, in terms of transparencies.
Speaker 12: People can always ask us any question that they have
Speaker 12: about the FEC report. That's you know, I don't think
Speaker 12: that we've had a discussion about any specific transparency project internally.
Speaker 6: All right, something to think about, sure, of.
Speaker 2: Course, all Right, guys, Well, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: taking the time. I know it is hectic and crazy
Speaker 2: and you have a lot going on, so really appreciate
Speaker 2: your work and really appreciate your.
Speaker 3: Time with us this morning.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's our pleasure.
Speaker 11: Happy holidays you guys.
Speaker 3: Doo. That was great, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, well let's go ahead and wrap up
Speaker 2: the free show here, got a bunch of interesting stuff
Speaker 2: we're going to get you in the premium half, in
Speaker 2: particular this TPUSA conference, Ben Shapiro coming it, Megan Kelly
Speaker 2: and Tucker Carlston and Tucker responds, and Tucker's calling out
Speaker 2: the islamophobe. So that's a spicy one. And Emily, you
Speaker 2: mentioned Erica Kirk endorsed jd Vance at this that part
Speaker 2: I missed actually last night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was late last night.
Speaker 3: So she's not on board for Trump twenty twenty eight, not.
Speaker 4: On board like Dershowitz.
Speaker 2: But also I was going to say, Mary Maddilson again
Speaker 2: to the anti Semitic caricature, you guys are doing yourselves
Speaker 2: no favors.
Speaker 4: And then so yeah, so the Erica Kirk endorsement wasn't
Speaker 4: just hurt was she said, turning point USA is going
Speaker 4: to work on behalf of JD. So already a lot
Speaker 4: of infrastructure behind him.
Speaker 3: Rubio Marco artist it.
Speaker 4: When Rubio obviously was quoted in the Vantasy Fair piece
Speaker 4: this week saying he's not run if JD runs. So
Speaker 4: Erica Kirk in that endorsement said that she said, we'll
Speaker 4: support my husband's friend JD vance and so it's it's
Speaker 4: quite an interesting, quite an interesting development.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially after that that photo that people paid a
Speaker 2: lot of attention to with the hands and the hair
Speaker 2: and the hands on the hips and whatever, also makes
Speaker 2: it makes it noteworthy. But there's a lot of yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean put it, I don't know, whatever. We don't
Speaker 2: have to get into Erica Kirk discourse, not in the
Speaker 2: free half anyway. If you want more Erica Kirk discourse,
Speaker 2: you gotta pay for it.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 2: We also have The Baker wrote an interesting up ed
Speaker 2: about you know, what really makes you an American? Really
Speaker 2: pushing back against like the anti Indian hate in particular,
Speaker 2: but also the sort of like you know, Nick fuontezification
Speaker 2: of the Republican Party. Curious about you guys thoughts on
Speaker 2: that there was a big Compact magazine piece about the
Speaker 2: quote unquote lost generation of millennial men focusing on the
Speaker 2: media in industry during the woke era that I would
Speaker 2: think Ryan would have some particular insights into so bunch
Speaker 2: of stif.
Speaker 4: So there's politics behind it too.
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, for sure, so bunch of stuff to get
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Speaker 2: the Epstein Files. We have some great content that all
Speaker 2: of us put together, you know, over the past week
Speaker 2: or two, to be posting over the holiday break. We'll also,
Speaker 2: you know, if there's big breaking news, well one of
Speaker 2: the other of us will get it together and get
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Speaker 2: the best of our ability. But outside of that, guys,
Speaker 2: Happy holidays to all of you. I hope everybody has
Speaker 2: a RESTful and nice time with family with loved ones
Speaker 2: and appreciates the you know, the beauties of the season.
Speaker 2: And certainly I appreciate Ryan and Emily appreciate you guys,
Speaker 2: appreciate what we're able to do here as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah all you guys and love all of the viewers.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it so much.
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