1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: You know, Bucks, some days there ain't a lot of topics, 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,079 Speaker 1: not a lot of news going on. Today we have 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: gotten so much to dive into. Whoopie Goldberg suspended over 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: her inaccuracies. Let's say, as it pertains to the Nazi 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: era in Germany. The White House is demanding that Joe 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: Rogan be regulated. Jeff Zucker at CNN is out over 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: an undisclosed relationship. This is a big deal. Three hundred 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: thousand jobs were lost in January of twenty twenty two. 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: That compares to an expectation that two hundred thousand jobs 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: would be added. The bidas touch continues to fall apart. 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: Army soldiers who refuse a COVID vaccine that we know 14 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: does not work against omicron will be immediately discharged. But Buck, 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: the story that is ricocheting everywhere, and he's doing his 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: media roundtables right now, CBS, NBC, ESPN, basically every direction 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: you look. Former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores has 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: sued the NFL, alleging racial discrimination in coaching and I 19 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: know you are not a monster NFL fan, far from it, Buck, 20 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: but you also I mean, this story has ricocheted through 21 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: so much of the media establishment that it's almost impossible 22 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: to ignore. I went on Fox and Friends this morning 23 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: and talked about it from a legal perspective. But I 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: want to start with this, Buck, even you are like, wow, 25 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: this is kind of a big story. Yeah, of course, Well, 26 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: because it comes Clay at a time where there's already 27 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: this huge national conversation because of Biden explicitly declared and 28 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: as you have rightly pointed out, that over ninety five 29 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: percent of lawyers or people from the legal profession will 30 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: not even be thought of as a possible Supreme Court pick. 31 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: And we also have the case making its way through 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, and I believe we are going to 33 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: get a decision here in June that will say affirmative action. 34 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this is plain letter of the law stuff. 35 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: Affirmative action is not equal protection under the law. It 36 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: should be and is unconstitutional. That there was a time 37 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: because of whether it's you liberal, white guilt or whatever, 38 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: the rationalization was that people preferred a certain policy outcome 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: of affirmative action does not make it constitutional flatly, plainly, clearly. 40 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: So with all of that background now we have, and 41 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating Clay, because I was learning. 42 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is the great thing is when I 43 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: have a sports thing that comes into the realm of 44 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: just breaking news, you know, top five stories. Let's say 45 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: I'm like Clay explain and it's like encyclopedia. Clay goes 46 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: to work and then I feel like I know what's 47 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: going on. One of the things is remarkable is this 48 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: guy saying these things that we were hearing him say 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: after he had already been paid, after you know, multimillion 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: dollar contracts to be a head coach, right after he 51 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: had already done all this tremendously rarefied and highly successful 52 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: stuff in the NFL. Now he's saying that he's being 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: discriminated against, and in fact, he always feels like he 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: has to be better than his better than his counterparts 55 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: based on where does this come from? So the complaint 56 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: is a mess, and this is me analyzing it from 57 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: a legal perspective. He alleges that he is being racially 58 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: discriminated against. Now, background for Brian Flores at the age 59 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: of thirty eight years old, after having the job title 60 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: of linebackers coach for the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick, 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: who is roundly considered the greatest NFL coach of all time. 62 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: If you work for Bill Belichick, you have a very 63 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: good chance of getting a head coach job somewhere. That 64 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: has been the case for many people, white or black. 65 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: So Flores gets hired at the age of thirty eight 66 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: years old to a multimillion dollar head coaching contract with 67 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. He is there for three years and 68 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: he just got fired in the offseason. That surprised some people, 69 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of behind the scenes issues 70 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: evidently inside of Miami, both with player and coach relationships 71 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: that the head, the owner there, Stephen Ross of the Dolphins, 72 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: a billionaire, decided to move on and hire a new coach. 73 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Then Brian Flores is interviewing. There are right now five 74 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: open head coaching jobs in the NFL. Lots of guys 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: got fired, and he is interviewing for the New York Giants, 76 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: and Brian day Ball is hired, who is the offensive 77 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: coordinator at the Buffalo Bills. And there is an allegation 78 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: that based on a text message from Bill Belichick that 79 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: Brian Flores was not really considered for the job, that 80 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: they already knew who they were going to hire. He 81 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: also says that several years ag he had an interview 82 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos, and he alleges that John Elway, 83 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: who is one of the great quarterbacks in NFL history 84 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: and an executive with the Broncos, was hungover and that 85 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: he didn't feel like he was taken very seriously. Based 86 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: on those details, he's arguing that he has been racially 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: discriminated against. Now, to me, when I read this complaint, 88 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: and I read the complaint, there's almost no evidence of 89 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: racial discrimination in this entire complaint. That is, I don't 90 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: know about you, Buck. I've gone on interviews before where 91 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten the job for what I interviewed for, 92 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: and that was disappointing, and sometimes I felt like the 93 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: guy that they ended up hiring they knew that they 94 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: wanted that guy, most likely beforehand. I've been almost everybody 95 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: out there has been in a situation where you've gone 96 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: for a job interview and you have thought, Hey, I'm 97 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: probably not gonna get this, but I want to try 98 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: to prove that I'm worthy of the job. Anyway, there's 99 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: actually a storyline for fans of the show The Office, 100 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: which I do think is a great show for whatever 101 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: that's fantasts out there. There's a storyline where Michael Scott, 102 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: who is played by Steve Correll I think amazingly well, 103 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: goes in for an interview for you know, the dunder 104 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: Mifflin executive role, and later on in deposition, it comes 105 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: out that he was never really under consideration for the job, 106 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: but they wanted to give him the shot. Right, So 107 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: this is this is not a new thing in corporate 108 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: America where you go in for an interview and they 109 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: think they already have somebody else picked. And let me 110 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: just say, unless there is actually I mean to your 111 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: point about the legalities of this and the reality of 112 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: it contractually and otherwise, and lest they less they've already 113 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: made an offer. Even if they think they know who 114 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: they're going to pick, the willingness to give you an 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: interview always leaves open the possibility that minds will be changed. 116 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: So there's also an assumption built into all of this 117 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: that it couldn't even if they had or maybe they 118 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: could make an offer and even rescinded if they found 119 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: a better candidate based upon you know, whatever the contractual 120 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: agreement is they put forward initially. So we've all been. 121 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean we've all been. And by the way, in 122 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: the media world, everything that we deal with Clay at 123 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: some level is unfair, meaning that there's a lot of subjectivity. 124 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of who's going to be this, who's 125 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: going to be the next big that, And you just 126 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: learn to do the best you can and deal with it. 127 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: You don't turn around and always just claim that there 128 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: is some force a raid against you, especially if you've 129 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: been remarkably successful as this guy, I mean, thirty eight 130 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: years old, multi millionaire head coach the NFL doesn't get 131 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: the job he wants and now the NFL is racist 132 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: based on what and I mean, speaking of what this 133 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: guy's been saying, I mentioned you, he's going around now 134 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: as part of his TV tour. He's all over the 135 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: media saying that he always thinks he has to be 136 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: better than his colleagues to be in the same place. 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: Based on what where does that come from? I mean, 138 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: that's also the job of competition. You have to be 139 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: better than your colleagues in the NFL in order to win. 140 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: That's Oh, but he means he has to be better 141 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: just to be on the same playing field. There's other 142 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: essential thing for me to be ahead coach, I had 143 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: to be ten times the head coach of other head coaches. 144 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: Is basically the subtext here that's based on what yeah, 145 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: and look, here's the other thing. These are important facts, 146 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: I think too, because we live in a I've told 147 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: you this buck. Nobody is pushing back against Brian Flores 148 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: on any of these interviews, right, every single sports media 149 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: person presumes that he is the victim of racial discrimination, 150 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: and no one is actually saying, Okay, Brian Flores, if 151 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: you're so discriminated against, how did you get a head 152 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: coaching job at the age of thirty eight and become 153 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: a multimillionaire. And also, by the way, how is it 154 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: that you were poised to get another head coaching job. 155 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: You just didn't get the one that you wanted with 156 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: the Giants. And that's also there is no business buck 157 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: in the history of the world that has created more 158 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: black millionaires than the NFL. Truly, in the history of 159 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: the world. Seventy some odd percent of all NFL players 160 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: are black. And really, what this comes down to is 161 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: an argument that there needs to be more black coaches. 162 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: It's very similar to the Supreme Court, honestly, where you 163 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: almost get the sense that there is an idea that 164 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: there needs to be a quota. But what's fascinating about 165 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: this to me is, first of all, everybody in America 166 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: should be able to compete evenly to be an NFL 167 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: head coach. Right, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. That's what I believe. 168 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: The Black population is around twelve percent of the overall population, 169 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: so they are widely, wildly overrepresented as NFL players. But 170 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: most coaches start at the age of twenty two or 171 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: twenty three and work themselves up for decades to be 172 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: eligible to become a head coach. Well, so to me, 173 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: the overall head coaches in the NFL should roughly approximate 174 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: not what the player percentage is, because most players never 175 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: become coaches, but what the overall population of interested coaches 176 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: are in the United States. And let's remember, I mean 177 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: the NFL is said professional sports is one of the 178 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: few places where you have a meritocracy and real time 179 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: with real consequences. Yeah, I mean, I do know enough 180 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: about them. I grew up watching the Knicks, and I'm 181 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: my family or Giants fans, and so I've played. I've 182 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: spent way too much time in my mind watching professional sports, 183 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: but I've seen enough to know what goes on, and 184 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm aware of the size the contracts. Clay, when when 185 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: you're paying somebody, you know, I mean I just saw, 186 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: like Naymar the soccer players signed a two hundred million 187 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: dollar Contrasts, Okay, when you're paying somebody in the NFL. 188 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: I mean that's soccer, granted, but that's uh, there're one 189 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: hundred million dollar guys in the NFL. Exactly. When you're 190 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: paying someone one hundred million dollars, you just want the best. 191 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: You're doing everything you can to get the absolute best, 192 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: and so when you're trying to assess, and there's always 193 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: going to be some degree of subjectivity. That's what I 194 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: meant about the media aspect, right, Like we have tons 195 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: of super talented colleagues and media on TV and radio 196 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: and podcasts whatever, and you know, it's not a perfect business, 197 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: but you have to be good. But there are going 198 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: to be some decisions made. In the NFL, they're putting 199 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: the best players that can possibly get out on the 200 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: field because there's a lot of money in it and 201 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: there's a lot of money in winning, and there's nos 202 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: on it. You can tell who's better or not and 203 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: who you know. You see this and it's like, well, 204 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: you know what, what what NFL franchise is having a 205 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: coach come forward that they think would be the best 206 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: fit for them and would make them, you know, millions, 207 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: would affect the price of the franchise, perhaps hundreds of 208 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: millions of dollars over over years, over a decade, and say, yeah, 209 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: but I'm you know, we're just still a little racist, 210 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: so we're not going to hire that guy. It just 211 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: it just defies comprehension, especially given what you see with 212 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: the players in the field, where they're like who's the 213 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: best tight end, who's the best quarterback, who's the best 214 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver, and that's all that matters, right, But with coaching, 215 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're going to take a different approach. 216 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't buy it. You're one hundred percent right there, 217 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: and Buck. Even if some teams were doing that, then 218 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: by being not racist, you would gain a competitive advantage. 219 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: Right if there are teams out there that are taking 220 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: talented minority coaches off the board because of racism, Okay, 221 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't believe that's happening. But if it were happening, 222 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: then you would have a competitive advantage against them because 223 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: you would be able to hire those coaches and your 224 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: team would win more. It's not only that racism is wrong, 225 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: it's that, purely on a competitive basis, your competitor is racist, 226 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: you would get to beat them more often. 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So I don't want it to go away. 261 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: Kind of how I feel about CNN. Oh wait, CNN 262 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: also breaking news, Jeff Zucker is out. I don't want 263 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: that to go away either, in order to be there 264 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: at something that we can show how crazy the libs are. 265 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: But we wanted to just continue on for a moment 266 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: here with this discussion about the NFL, and now this 267 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: allegation from former Dolphins head coach Brian Flora is about racism. 268 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: He's followed the lawsuit. I mean, Clay is all over 269 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: this story, and I've been catching up all morning to 270 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: make sure I kind of know some of the background 271 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: about this. But this is pretty remarkable. Former NFL Players 272 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: Association president on CNN George Martin I believe is his name. Yes, 273 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: he said, you know what, Actually, Clay, I'm just gonna 274 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: let him say. In play sixteen, the league is seventy 275 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: percent black players. There is currently one black head coach. 276 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: How do you see this? Well, it's a statistical anomaly, 277 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: first of all, and there's no way to justify that 278 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: kind of inequity. And that's something that African American players 279 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: and coaches have had to deal with for years now, 280 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: and with this lawsuit, I mean, it's obviously Brian is 281 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: going to become the Rosa Parks of the NFL, and 282 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: rightly so. It took an inordinant amount of courage for 283 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: him to file this lawsuit in the stand up against 284 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: one of the largest corporations in the world and and 285 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: talk about the fact that there is less opportunity for 286 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: people of color than there are otherwise. So Clay, I 287 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: just I'll say this because you know you you're you're 288 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: a truly unique and loan voice in the sports media 289 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: world on these things that so many But first of all, 290 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: this guy calling for Brian Flores is the Rosa Park 291 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: and no pushback, which is no, that's the course of 292 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: what happened to be a multi millionaire former coach. You 293 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: still you know, likely to get a very senior and 294 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: very highly paid uh coaching addition in the NFL. You know, 295 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: it's somehow similar to the fight against true racism and 296 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: segregation the South. I mean, it's outrageous, but I'm just say, man, 297 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: this is why you know, conservatives we go through these phases. 298 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: We say they're kneeling. They're anti cop in the NFL, 299 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: they're anti cop in the NBA. There's all this woke stuff. 300 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm never watching. I have so many people to write me, 301 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm never watching the NFL again. I'm done with it, man, 302 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, And I feel like you fight it from 303 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: the inside because you don't want to give up sports 304 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: because you love sports. For me, I sit here and 305 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: I see this, and I see a lot of overpaid 306 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: people who are ungrateful to the country that supports them 307 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: and gave them this opportunity, and I'm just I don't know. 308 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: I've had enough. I can't I can't seem to get 309 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: around it. We had that conversation a lot on the 310 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: Sports Show back in the day. And my thing is, 311 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: if you love something, and I understand if you're a casual, like, hey, 312 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: you want to say the NFL or I'm gonna watch 313 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: something on Netflix or whatever it might be. I'm a 314 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: die hard sports fan. I'm always going to be a 315 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: die hard sports fan. And so my perspective is if 316 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,239 Speaker 1: you love something, then you try and fight to preserve 317 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: what you love in that And what I love in 318 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: sports is that all of us white, black, Asian Hispanic, gay, straight, male, 319 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: female can all pursue excellence by a common set of rules. 320 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: And I love the feeling, Buck, and I'll never shake 321 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: it of being in an arena or being in a 322 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: stadium watching your favorite team play and how it brings 323 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: everyone together. I'm just I'm never going to lose that feeling, 324 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: and I'm never going to lose that desire to try 325 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: to make sports something that everybody can enjoy. But when 326 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: I see the lawsuit, like what Brian Flores is saying here, Buck, 327 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: he is selling the idea that the NFL is fundamentally 328 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: a racist organization, And I think it's one hundred percent 329 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: the opposite of that, because the NFL, as I've said, 330 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: has made more black millionaires than ever before. They have 331 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: lifted tons of people out of poverty and allow them 332 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: to have better lives than they otherwise would have. 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That 359 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: he decided there was more money to be made by 360 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: calling everyone racist in the NFL than there was by 361 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: actually being employed by the NFL. We'll see what happens 362 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: going forward. But speaking of racism, Whoopee Goldberg two weeks suspension, 363 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton at the View. There now are reports that 364 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 1: Whoopee is furious that she has been suspended for two weeks. 365 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sort of torn on this, Buck, because on 366 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: the one hand, I abhor cancel culture more than anything 367 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: other than identity politics. I think those are the twin 368 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: pillars of the Democratic Party right now, and so whether 369 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: you're a Democrat, Republican independent, I hate to see somebody 370 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: lose their job for something that they say, even if 371 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: it's stupid, like Wippi Goldberg it said, because it just 372 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: further reinforces the precedent of cancel culture. On the other side, Buck, 373 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: I understand the argument from people out there who say, hey, 374 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: if they're going to insist on cancel culture rules, then 375 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: we have to apply them as steadfastly as possible to 376 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: left wingers as they try to do to right wingers. 377 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: Whether it's Gina Corrano getting fired by Disney for the 378 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: Mandalorian or Rosanne bar getting fired by Disney as well, 379 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: both of those women were fired and now will be 380 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: Goldberg gets two weeks. Where do you kind of come 381 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: down on the larger cancel culture battle yourself? Yeah, I 382 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: think it's a great, a great question, because I go, 383 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: I go back and forth. I mean, you're essentially and 384 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people are on the right because we 385 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: want essentially mutually assured destruction that then transitions into a 386 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: society that allows for a grace forgiveness and some sense 387 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: of just decency toward each other. But where do you 388 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: draw that line? So? I don't think there's a simple answer, right, 389 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a straightforward we let the 390 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: because the left will let the left get away with 391 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: so much more. By the way, Whoopy Goldberg, if she were, 392 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: first of all, I mean to say that if she 393 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: were a Conservatives, she wouldn't you know, she wouldn't be 394 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: where she is in so many ways, she'd be fired. 395 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: She wouldn't be if one of us, If one of 396 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: us had made the first of all, we're not as 397 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: dumb as Whoopy Goldberg, at least not on that issue. 398 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: If one of us had made the exact same argument 399 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: that Whoopi Goldberg's made, Whoopie Goldberg would demand that we 400 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: be fired. If Joe Rogan had said it, if Tucker 401 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: Carlson had said it, if Sean Hannity had said it, 402 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: all of them on the View would have their long 403 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: knives out and they would imagine a demand that we 404 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: be fired. Right. I look, I want to play rough 405 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: with the commies, but I don't want us to become 406 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: the commies, if you know what I mean. I think 407 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: that they should they should suffer consequences, but I also 408 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: don't want us to turn into the ideological infants that 409 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: the Left represent these days in so many ways. So 410 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: here's my sense of the whoopy thing. Oh you know, 411 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: we always say about facts. By the way, because I 412 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: said a bunch of numbers were discussing, we did our our, 413 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 1: our actual history when we talked about this. As soon 414 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: as it broke, all my numbers were correct. Over six 415 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: million Jews, over eleven million killed, about eight or nine 416 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: hundred thousand they don't know. Um European formerly known as Gypsy, 417 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: now known as Roma. I said one point five million 418 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: Polish Catholics killed in the death camps. I believe it's 419 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: actually closer to three millions. So just again, if I 420 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: ever get any number wrong, I want to update it 421 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: right away because I went back to check that because 422 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: I don't know all the numbers offhand, and I was 423 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: doing that from the top of my head. But Clay, 424 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: to me, there's two there's two issues here with there's 425 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: Whoopi Goldberg, the person saying these things, and then there's 426 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: the ideology that led her to say these things at 427 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: some level. And what I mean by that is sounded 428 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: like Clay there for a second. Yeah, what I mean 429 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: to say that that's a that's a Clay is mum 430 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: is you know, she just doesn't I think at some 431 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: level she just doesn't know the history of the Second 432 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: World War at all. Really, I mean, you know, the 433 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: very very very baseline truth of it. So there's it's 434 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: a mostly if we're breaking this down, I think it's 435 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: mostly ignorance on her part of the history. And so 436 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, when people just don't know, I'm more likely 437 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: to say, all right, I mean they didn't remember I 438 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: said at the time. I don't think that she meant 439 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: to be I truly believe this. Still, she didn't mean 440 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: to be disrespectful. She's not going on the view and 441 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: saying I'm going to antagonize the Jewish people, not just 442 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: in America but around the world and make them think that, 443 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: like I have a maybe some kind of an anti Semitic. 444 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: I don't think that was her intent at all. But 445 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: why would she say something so wrong? And it is 446 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: because and we touched on this as well, the American 447 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: left has created a paradigm where the only racism in 448 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: their minds is white against non white and primarily and 449 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly white against black racism. There is no other historical 450 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: framework for analysis of racism between different races by the 451 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: that don't involve you know, European whites at all. There's 452 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: no analysis of racism that involves the Jews as a 453 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: race that have been discriminated against, not just you know, 454 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: it's still to this day and of course then the 455 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: genocide of the Holocaust, but going back to the time 456 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: of you know, Pharaoh in Egypt and the Bible, and 457 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of a big deal that the 458 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: Jews have not been treated well if you've done any 459 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: sort of historical research. But but the Left has this 460 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: campaign of you know, everything gets fit into this. You know, 461 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: there's no easy there's no easy overall. The script for 462 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: it but it's almost like the way that the sixteen 463 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: nineteen Project defines all of American history, white on black 464 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: racism is the only race issue that comes to mind 465 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 1: for a Democrat leftist in good standing today, And I 466 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: think that is part of what pushed WHOOPI Goldberg to 467 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: say something that would obviously be because I really don't 468 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: and I'm we're being I said, she's I know people 469 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: who are friends with her I will say that, they 470 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: say she's a nice person, you know, personally, and I 471 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: will give her credit for that. And I don't think 472 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: she meant to be disrespectful. I just don't think she 473 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: knows any better. And I think the left is brainwashed 474 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: on this issue, do you know what I mean? That's 475 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: how I and what she said is really bad as 476 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: a result of those two things. Yeah, to a large extent, 477 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: it is a form of historical illiteracy that has allowed 478 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: to flourish in the United States. And one of those 479 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: ideas is, for instance, that the United States was the 480 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: only place that ever had slavery. Right to your point 481 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: on the sixteen nineteen Project, slavery existed all over the 482 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: world for tens of thousands of years. Virtually every person 483 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: at some point in their lineage, whether you're white, Black, Asian, 484 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: or Hispanic, had slaves in your background, right, because slavery, 485 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: whether it's in Rome, whether it's in Greece, whether it 486 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: was all over Africa, all over Asia, if you beat 487 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: another tribe of people, you very often took the menaced 488 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: slaves and took the women as either wives or slaves 489 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: as well. That is a historical reality from all over 490 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: the world. Right. And so I believe what has happened 491 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: with the Democratic Party as they have embraced both cancel 492 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: culture and identity politics, is they have allowed America to 493 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: be defined exclusively based on race, and that is based 494 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: on slavery and racism, which is almost exclusively buck being 495 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: seen as white to black. Right, there's no racism of 496 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: black to Hispanic or Hispanic to Asian, even though my argument, 497 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: and I think this would be a revolutionary argument if 498 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: a political party would adopt it, is that racism exists 499 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: in all races, and by the way it exists inside 500 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: of racial groups. To consider the way that, for instance, Hispanic, 501 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: which is a broad categorization, how different groups of Hispanic 502 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: see each other, how different groups of Asian and Black 503 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: people and white people initially. I mean, look at the 504 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: big battles that were fought in the United States buck 505 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: over immigration when it was Italians and Germans and people 506 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: who didn't speak English coming into this country. My ancestors 507 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: came into Brooklyn from Ireland during the Potato famine, and 508 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: there were Irish need not apply signs, yes, you know, 509 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: because the Irish were considered a criminal underclass and they 510 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: were the less thens of Europe. I mean. And by 511 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: the way, all the Italian Americans listening right now are like, oh, 512 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: will you think you had a bet? And by the way, 513 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: all the Jewish Americans listening arrising you think you had 514 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 1: in Polish? This is the real All of these different 515 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: European ethnic groups were discriminated against if they didn't speak English, 516 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: or if they came from particular cast systems, if you 517 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: want to describe it as that way. So this has 518 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: been the story of American life and what typically happens. 519 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: And this is why the melting pot idea used to 520 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: be a liberal idea, right was we bring everybody to America, 521 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: were one big melting pot. We all end up ending 522 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: up with the same values of lionizing American multiculturalism and 523 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: everybody can have success regardless of what your background is. Now, 524 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: what the Democrats argue is America is fundamentally broken and 525 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: no one who is a minority can have success here 526 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: because of the systemic racism and white supremacy which underlies everything. 527 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: That's the argument they make, and it's one that I 528 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: reject wholeheartedly, and ironically enough, it's one that even Barack 529 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: Obama rejected wholeheartedly. 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I said something 557 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: that I feel a responsibility for not leaving unexamined because 558 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: my words upset so many people, which was never my intention, 559 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: and I understand why now, and for that I am deeply, 560 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: deeply grateful because the information I got was really helpful 561 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: and helped me understand some different things. And while discussing 562 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: how a Tennessee school Board United sally unanimously voted to 563 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: remove a graphic novel about the Holocaust. I said that 564 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: the Holocaust wasn't about race, and it was instead about 565 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: man's inhumanity to man. But it is indeed about race 566 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: because Hitler and the Nazis considered us to be an 567 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: inferior race. Now words matter and mine are no exception. 568 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: I regret my comments as I said, and I stand corrected. 569 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: That was Ruby Goldberg with an apology. You remember the 570 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: first time I welcome back to Clay and Buck show, 571 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: the first night you went on to think it was 572 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: whole bear and tried to do the well, I was 573 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: kind of right, but I said it the wrong way thing. 574 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: And now that the two weeks suspension has come down, 575 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: ABC has clearly said no, you go on TV and 576 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: do the eye was totally wrong and apologized. Thing. She's 577 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: getting suspended. She's probably gonna get her apparently one hundred 578 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week salary, So you know, it's it's 579 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: good to be Whoopie Goldberg on she gets five million 580 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: a year for the view. Oh yeah, and that's I 581 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: would have guessed that out of out of thin area. Yeah, 582 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: that's that's I could have even a little bit more. 583 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: Remember Chris Cuomo was getting like seven or eight million 584 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: at CNN. Who cares these guys were playing At least 585 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: he's solo on CNN. She's like one of six or 586 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: whatever it is on the view. But look at this, 587 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: Look at this smooth transition, Oh, Chris Cuomo. It turns 588 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: out CNN actually has some cancel culture situation. Or I'm 589 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: not really cancel culture, just uh. I guess you could 590 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: say the Left likes this term consequence culture. That's how 591 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: they try to get around it. Consequences over at CNN, 592 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: Cuomo got fired, You remember that after his brother, Governor 593 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: of New York got fired. The anchor. He hates when 594 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: he's called Fredo, which means a lot of people then 595 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: call him Fredo. I call him Bro Cuomo because he 596 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: likes you know, he's all about making sure he gets 597 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: the proper mac. He's pretty ripped. You know, he's pretty 598 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: he's pretty ripped. He's actually you know, he pays attention 599 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: to the workouts. Point being. Now you got his buddy 600 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker out at CNN, and there's more to this 601 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: than I think meets the eye, and we're going to 602 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: discuss that in the top of the next hour. I 603 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: spent some time inside the building at CNN, and I 604 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: have some sources still to this day inside CNN, and 605 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: I can tell you that, oh my, it's interesting how 606 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: the pendulum has swung over there and what's going on. 607 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: We'll discuss that a second. M clay, we got some 608 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: great calls up. Let's take him. What do we got? Yeah, 609 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: let's go to Paul in Duluth, Minnesota. Paul, what you 610 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: got for us? Yeah? I wanted to explain to Flora's 611 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: what a real statistical anomaly is. That would be six 612 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: percent of the population being blackmails and seventy of the 613 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: NFL players being black. So I have a proposal, starting 614 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: mis draft season, for every black individual that's drafted in 615 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: the NFL, a white player has to be drafted by 616 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: that same team. One last thing, guys, if the NFL 617 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: is so discriminatory and they're hiring practice against black spread 618 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: coaching musicians, how the hell did you get hired as 619 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: a head coach? Floor As Tom asked, that is one 620 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: of the questions that should be asked by a media 621 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: source when he's making his allegations of racism. There were 622 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: questions should be asked. Okay, I understand your arguments here, 623 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: But at thirty eight years old, you were hired despite 624 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: the fact, by the way, that you'd never been an 625 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: offensive or a defensive coordinator. You were the linebackers coach 626 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: at the time with the New England Patriots. You got 627 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar job. If the NFL is so systemically 628 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: racist against blackhead coaches, how do you explain your ability 629 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: to get a job and have it for three years 630 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: with the Miami Dolphins, And oh, by the way, how 631 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: do you explain being a favorite to get one of 632 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: the open head coaching jobs in this offseason? And to 633 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: his point, that's why I think sports is the ultimate meritocracy, 634 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: because we don't demand that teams one hundred percent reflect 635 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: what the population might be. For instance, Buck, in twenty years, 636 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: there hasn't been a white cornerback. Does that mean that 637 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: the NFL is racist against white cornerbacks? Probably not. Not 638 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: a lot of recent East Asian immigrants in the National 639 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Basketball Association, for example, I remember there was Jeremy Lynn 640 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: and there was you know, Linsanity, and everybody was really 641 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: excited about it because it was so rare. And there 642 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: was Yao Ming obviously from China. But it's rare So 643 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: we bring this up merely because if we're going to 644 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,479 Speaker 1: start having this discussion, see, this is where it gets 645 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: more complicated, because the left likes to have this in 646 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: the context of essentially white racism and the suppression of 647 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: black merit in the workplace in a whole bunch of 648 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: different contacts, whether it's professional sports anywhere else. Okay, but 649 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: what about expanding this then, because if you're establishing a 650 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: which is that there has to be diversity and inclusion everywhere, 651 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: why shouldn't there be diversity and inclusion in the NBA, 652 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: the NFL, all these different professional sports leagues, and forget 653 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: about even just you know, whether it applies to white 654 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: and black players. What about Latino players, what about Asian players? 655 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: What about all the different categorizations of race? What about women? 656 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: There's never been a woman to make an NFL team? 657 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, is there at some point where 658 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: where does this stop? And here's the thing. We'd all 659 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: sit there and say, buck, but we just want to 660 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: watch the best teams. We want to watch the best players, exactly. 661 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: And the thing about professional sports is when people are 662 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: watching those teams, given the money and the attention and 663 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: the prominence of these leagues. There is essentially an assumption 664 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: baked into all this this is the best the week 665 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: that that could be found anywhere at what they are doing. 666 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: And that's a that's a good thing, right, That's a 667 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: thing that can bring everyone together. As you say, it's 668 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: a pure meritocracy they're pulling apart. Now, the left has 669 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: been pulling apart meritocracy for a long time, and it 670 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: always becomes inconsistent. I mean, it always turns into self 671 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: negation at some level, because how how do you apply 672 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: this and where do you stop it? Be careful what 673 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: you're destroying would be my position here. The NFL has 674 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: created more black millionaires than any business that has ever 675 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: existed in the history of the world. By alleging that 676 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: the NFL is racist against black people, you threaten to 677 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: undermine the entirety of the league and its ability to 678 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: make more millionaires in the future. And I would want 679 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: what is an acceptable percentage to that's the questions of 680 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: coaches who should be black man? Is there a number 681 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: I'd like? At? What number is it acceptable? I mean, 682 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: this is the conversation. By the way. The NFL, of course, 683 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: is now just a microcosm of the discussion we're having 684 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: because of the Supreme Court and because of affirmative action 685 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: at the national level. What is acceptable diversity and inclusion means? 686 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: What If it's a quota, let's talk about it. If 687 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: it's not a quota, what is it? Anyway, we'll get 688 00:36:53,040 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: into CNN's problems. Put it mildly in just a few moments, 689 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.