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Speaker 3: Football season is back and so are we hit Mike

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Speaker 3: on Fox. Our executive producer is Ian Roddy. Welcome into

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Speaker 3: the NFL season. That is the twenty twenty four version, Mike.

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Speaker 3: The offseason is done. Pre season in the rear view mirror.

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Speaker 3: Let's get the talking lineups, drafts, in the whole shebang.

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Speaker 2: It has been a chaotic off season. You know, normally

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Speaker 2: we spotlight the head coaches and all right, here's some

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Speaker 2: your coordinators offense have been defense have changed. Now they

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Speaker 2: might have been in the building, but now they're the

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Speaker 2: makes for some fascinating case studies. As we get into

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Speaker 3: Four, others have changed their NFL licensed gear for another

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Speaker 3: I am curious to find out, Mike, because that's where

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Speaker 3: that now sometimes gets lost in the shuffle of your

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Speaker 3: fantasy drafts. We are talking quarterbacks. Has anything changed for

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Speaker 2: Now, it still goes back to that quarterback that I

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not talking yeah, not talking about Lamar Jackson. Right,

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Speaker 2: It's all Josh Allen all the time, and three of

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Speaker 2: the last four years he's the top guy. It's funny

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Speaker 3: There's going to be a regression of some sorts, but

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Speaker 3: I would think, Mike, it would be more of the

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Speaker 3: for that regression. The loss of Stefan Diggs and the

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Speaker 3: as concerned about that. In the passing game. I'm more

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen threw for forty three hundred yards last year,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we look at the defenses that they'll be facing

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Speaker 4: That helps.

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Speaker 3: That division helps two games against the Patriots, and you

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Speaker 3: You know, this allows me to transition to another quarterback

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Speaker 2: Got Mahomes number two on the board, right, Hollywood Brown

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Speaker 2: It is really what it comes down to for fantasy purposes.

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Speaker 2: Last year, even in a miserable year, and remember what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from a fantasy perspective, the wide receiver position is

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Speaker 3: It feels like there's a top four and then we

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Speaker 2: They make a deal with Washington right before we did

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Speaker 2: and grab a former number one pick in Dotson. We'll

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Speaker 2: Barkley stays healthy. But I've got him three, Lamar fell

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Speaker 4: Depending on what right?

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Speaker 3: And by the way, just for a Cowboys knowing, I

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Speaker 3: My goodness, it's Tyler Tyron. Just the whole thing was

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Speaker 2: Hard Knocks, probably probably about the only thing interesting that

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00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 2: happened on Hard Knocks, unless you're going to visit and

433
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: go see the ice cream Museum.

434
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 3: It's it's been a fest.

435
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 4: Well you know that.

436
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, half of it's the games, And I'm like, well,

437
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 3: if I want to watch the games, I would have

438
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: just watched the games.

439
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to watch the game with the

440
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: backup quarterbacks families, sorry and the other being evidently there

441
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: they're talking about the production of it. Out of deference

442
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: to the McCaskey family. The usual cursing and you know,

443
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 2: basically playing dozens with each other on the sideline in

444
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: the locker room all got eliminated, so you don't have

445
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: any cursing. And you know, Matti E. Reflus is just

446
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 2: seemingly the nicest guy in the world. So yeah, he's

447
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 2: got the beard and haircut going. That is why his

448
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: wife got a lot of airtime too. It's like, I

449
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: want to watch football. I want to watch my team. Damn.

450
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Speaker 3: It's well, there hasn't been a ton It's been more

451
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 3: Austin Reid's been who case.

452
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: No exactly, it's a lot of that. But hey, look

453
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: the Giants weren't going to be interesting either, But I

454
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 2: thloughted a theory both teams. Basically, you know they've been

455
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: able to avoid hard knocks forever, they were gonna put

456
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Speaker 2: their worst foot forward. For the Giants it was look

457
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 2: how apt you made us? Lookank you? And for the

458
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: Bears it's we're so boring you never want to come back,

459
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: so hard knocks will never come back again.

460
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I love.

461
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Speaker 3: The off season. The Giants one was great. I loved it, but.

462
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Speaker 2: You started getting a bunch of that stuff. It's like

463
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 2: they're gonna be boring, they don't have any characters. And

464
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: then you have a Shane's kid kind of ripping them

465
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Speaker 2: about the draft, and Daniel Jones all the Daniel Jones

466
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 2: chatter and and and the coaching staff losing their minds

467
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: over what they could go and potentially get uh. And

468
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 2: then the Saquon Barkley call to me is the oddest

469
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: thing I've ever seen that was allowed to go in.

470
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you got right a refusal, right.

471
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: He gave us great content, There's no question about it. Anyway,

472
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: back to Roma Dunes and everybody else. I just I

473
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 2: just look at and look you you know Shane Waldrin

474
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: better than I do, uh in terms of what he

475
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: should be able to do. But for from all the reports,

476
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, you know, maturity uh, and folks can think

477
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: they want about nail polish and going into the stands

478
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: and whatever else. Guy's a hell of a football player,

479
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: so I'll give him the nod.

480
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Speaker 3: Bo Nicks gonna be the starter for the Broncos. At

481
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Speaker 3: the time of this recording, Drake May and Jacoby Brissett

482
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 3: were up in the air. The point being, if you're

483
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Speaker 3: in a two quarterback league, you're probably gonna end up

484
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Speaker 3: drafting either of those guys, but not I don't think

485
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Speaker 3: productive enough if you're in any other league to do so.

486
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Speaker 2: No, that's exactly it. Yeah, I mean nix On average

487
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: is you know, one of the last off the board. Yeah,

488
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: fighting with the Pittsburgh quarterbacks and the aforementioned Drake May

489
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Speaker 2: and Gardner Minshew. In terms of roster spots, Nix is

490
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Speaker 2: interesting to me. You know, so many people still want

491
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Speaker 2: to put the super genius tag on Sean Payton. I

492
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 2: still wonder if that guy from Purdue is and around

493
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: how much really applies. But we'll see. He won the

494
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 2: battle against Russell Wilson just like we said. He would

495
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: set it up perfectly as Wilson being inept in the

496
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: fall guy. And now bow Knicks gets the opportunity. What

497
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 2: it's gonna look like throwing against the ones, I don't know,

498
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: but at least in Division, you're gonna have some opportunity, right.

499
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: Raiders offense is intriguing just because Gardner Minshew kind of

500
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: plays like he doesn't care. I'm gonna keep firing, which

501
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: is fun. But defensively is the thing I worried about.

502
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: While we may not like teams beyond Kansas City, all

503
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: three of those squads in Division have some pretty damn

504
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: good defenses. Bon Nicks is gonna have to navigate, all right.

505
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: Let's quick wrap up with those three quarterbacks. Number one

506
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: Rock Perty. Yeah, I look at Purty as a way

507
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 3: of I wouldn't be mad at him in starting some

508
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: games for me, but I don't know if i'd start

509
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: him every week.

510
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 4: Where are you on, Purty?

511
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: I have him right there at that twelve thirteen line, okay,

512
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 2: and the opportunity there's gonna be some big games. Then

513
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: there's gonna be somewhere McCaffrey and whoever else is running,

514
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: Elijah Mitchell all of a sudden, you know it's a

515
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: three touchdown game from them.

516
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Speaker 3: And then the final two Clemson quarterbacks Deshaun Watson bottom

517
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: third in the league with fantasy rankings that I've seen,

518
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: and Trevor Lawrence not as high on anymore. Any love

519
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: for Deshaun Watson or Trevor Lawrence entering this season.

520
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawrence is in that next category and like run

521
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: with Jared Goff, maybe for me when you look at

522
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: it there and if you're excited that Captain Kirk if

523
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: he can stay upright, but you know, looking for a

524
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: huge ceiling from him, we haven't seen it yet. Bringing

525
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: in Thomas as the number one intriguing Christian Kirk will

526
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: be back, and maybe Lawrence will be healthier than he

527
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: was a year ago, because I think that's been lost

528
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: in what happened to the Jaguars the second half of

529
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: the season is that that guy played when he probably

530
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't have for a number of those games. Look in

531
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Speaker 2: the moment he took the field, you know, we got

532
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: to call it what it is. He was bad and

533
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Speaker 2: they had the huge slide, saved only by the fact

534
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Speaker 2: that the.

535
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Speaker 4: Eagles were so terrible.

536
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a headliner squad with most of their component

537
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Speaker 2: parts intact. But yeah, Lawrence a guy I can't really

538
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Speaker 2: get on. He'd be like a mid QB two to

539
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: Shaun Watson. I don't know how long he keeps the

540
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: job if he looks like he has the last couple

541
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Speaker 2: of years. What are you talking fourteen touchdowns or twelve touchdowns?

542
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: Twelve games played since that big breakout and season that

543
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: got him the huge contract. And I think they're they're

544
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: pretty happy. They've got a lot of quarterbacks in that

545
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: room to where if he's terrible again, they I don't

546
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: think Stefanski and company waste what they've got, no matter

547
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: what a wizard he is as a coach. Like, at

548
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: some point it's sunk costs. That money is spent, you

549
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: ain't getting it back. And I know that's gonna be

550
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: a tough sell to the ownership and everything. But it's like,

551
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: you want to win games or do you not look

552
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: at what the Steelers are They may not have a

553
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: quarterback again, the Ravens, you know, we know what they

554
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: are year after year. The Bengals should be better. Like,

555
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: if we want to win and compete in this division

556
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: in a crowded AFC, got we gotta make the move

557
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: if Watson isn't getting it done, so yeah, for fantasy purposes,

558
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: No chance in hell he finds his way to a

559
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: roster for me at all.

560
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: All Right, we're gonna take a time out. I got

561
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: to ask Mike about Justin Fields. And there are some

562
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks that we have not touched on. Yeah, the

563
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: Steelers quarterback room is crazy, and there's some others as well.

564
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Speaker 3: He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer. That's next here, and

565
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: I want your flex. Welcome back to I want your flex.

566
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: Get Mike on Twitter at Swollendome. You can find me

567
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: at dan Byer on Fox. All right, I do want

568
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: to ask you about Justin Fields. Obviously, when we record this,

569
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: the debate has not been decided on who will start

570
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh. But I would just have to believe that

571
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: if you are drafting a quarterback, you would draft Fields

572
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: over Wilson in any scenario.

573
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: Hundred percent. He's going to play a chunk of the games.

574
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: We've talked to, you know, and you certainly on the network, Dan.

575
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked to a lot of football folks

576
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: that believe maybe Russell Wilson gets the nod, and we'll

577
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: wait and see. Right as we record this, it's still

578
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: the coin flip and whatever. But even if Wilson starts,

579
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: he ain't finished in this either injury and effectiveness or

580
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: just needing a jump start. I mean, because and we

581
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: don't need to make it the whole you know, referendum

582
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: on Mike Tomlin. But you know last year when it started,

583
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, rumblings of you know, how long do you

584
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: let this run on? Like at some point that's got

585
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: to stop, right, Like when your offense is, you know,

586
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: in the bottom of the league year after year after

587
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: year that you know you and you're not getting right.

588
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: And Arthur Smith was the guy that kept Jon Robinson

589
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: locked in a box a year ago. Just want to

590
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: remind folks of that. So not exactly you know, thinking

591
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: that there was going to be some huge jump there. Sure,

592
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: but he's a guy that fields plays that you're gonna

593
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: have a couple of top ten performances and it's not

594
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: going to be pretty, you know, the rushing yards and

595
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: a rushing touchdown here and there, but you do have

596
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: weapons on that roster. You do have opportunities. So he's

597
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: a guy that you know in the last round as

598
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: you're you're looking around, goes back to the two QB

599
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: League and whatever as well, that that field is going

600
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: to present opportunities and certainly they'll be diving to the

601
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: waiver wire. But if you're going down the Steelers Highway, yeah, Fields,

602
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: I would be as your bet.

603
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: No offense to the Matthew Stafford Jared Goffkerk Cousins fans,

604
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: the Gene Smith fans that you mentioned.

605
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: Stafford's interesting though, isn't he a little bit right? Because

606
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: you got the wide receivers that everybody loves, the running

607
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: back position solidified, But the dude's already missed time during

608
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: training camps. Yeah, staying upright for seventeen.

609
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: But I think that if you like Stafford over golf,

610
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: you're just going to take Stafford. Yeah, likely as your backup.

611
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: I don't think that any of these guys are starters,

612
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: but they are starter worthy when you need them in

613
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: certain weeks. I drafted Jared Goff in a week where

614
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: I think that he could have a good week because

615
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's on by the Colts that week, and I'm like,

616
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: all right, it's indoors. Weather's not going to be a factor.

617
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: Let's let's go with that. Who knows, maybe the Colts

618
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: end up beating them and the lines that come from behind.

619
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Speaker 3: But honestly, if you're making a decision about any of

620
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: those guys, I just I think that you're just gonna

621
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: lean to whoever you like better.

622
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: No it's it Midpack. Maybe you just don't like Detroit

623
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: because suddenly they got chesty in a year, or you're

624
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: tired of the Rams, deification of McVeigh and company. I

625
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe maybe those things come into your your thinking.

626
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: Or you live in Los Angeles and again, you're a

627
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: Raider fan, so you know you.

628
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: Got all of that, and how about this, Maybe that's

629
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: the perfect way to end this. Would you draft Minshew

630
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: or Herbert? I'll take Herbert, but I actually think it's

631
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: a debate because of what Harball wants to do with

632
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: the Chargers.

633
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and looking at the personnel as we go through, right,

634
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: Johnston number one pick a year ago, hands issues, obviously

635
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: now doing some special teams work in training camp. You know,

636
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: I liked a couple of those receivers, particularly Palmer, you know,

637
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: as a number three. As a number one, I don't know,

638
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: but keithan Allen and Mike Williams weren't in the lineup

639
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: all the time when they were there, so uh, he

640
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: often had to step up into a one to two

641
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: slot anyway, So you got that. But yeah, philosophically in theory,

642
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: they want to run the ball and play defense. So

643
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: how much are those offensive numbers from Herbert going to

644
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: be tamped down just naturally based on personnel and scheme

645
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: or is it all just a big ropidope and all

646
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Speaker 2: of a sudden they're wringing the ball all over the

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Speaker 2: damn place. Sure, which for Jim Harbaugh, he's he's a

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Speaker 2: he's a character man. It could happen, but certainly I'm

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Speaker 2: not invested heavily.

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Speaker 3: In Yeah, chance Minshew a little bit further down on

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Speaker 3: the list than some, but I do think he's going

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Speaker 3: to start. You still have DeVante Adams there, You've drafted

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Speaker 3: brock Bowers.

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Speaker 2: You brought in Jacobi Meyers, Yeah, got Bowers and uh

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Speaker 2: what Meyer from last year?

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Speaker 4: Or mayor may So Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, and you, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'd rather take something.

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Speaker 3: I'd say this, I'd rather take a flyer on Minshew

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Speaker 3: than I would of Daniel Joe obviously Baker Mayfield and

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Speaker 3: know what he is. I'd rather take a flyer in

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Speaker 3: that regard than if you know, if I'm drafting, if

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Speaker 3: I'm in a two quarterback league, I don't know, I'd

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Speaker 3: feel a little bit better with Minshew.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: No, I think I agree with you for the fact

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Speaker 2: that the man has no conscience, right, he knows what

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Speaker 2: he is in this point in his NFL career, and

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Speaker 2: that's a very dangerous quarterback on a field. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: he doesn't become a pumpkin and get deposed because they decide,

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Speaker 2: all right, well, we did draft O'Connell a year ago,

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Speaker 2: and we have to see definitively if he's done or not.

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Speaker 2: But part of this is also going to be to

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Speaker 2: play Kate Devontae Adams, at least short term, make sure

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Speaker 2: that you know, because look the division outside of the Chiefs, right,

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Speaker 2: we talked about the Broncos and the Chargers. How good

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Speaker 2: are they?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: If you're the Raiders with that defense, good offensive line,

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Speaker 2: skill position, guys like you outlined Dan look in the

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Speaker 2: backfield a little bit, Well, you got an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: where you could be. I don't want to say good,

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Speaker 2: but you're back in playoff worthy if minshe hits right, sure,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean you roll roll the dice there

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Speaker 2: and make some plays. I'd certainly take him over most

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Speaker 2: of that back to here. Even you know, Sam Donald's

687
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: got arguably the best receiver in football. Do I trust him?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Even even with McCarthy, you know, lost for the year.

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Speaker 2: Am I putting a stock into Sam Donald or Bryce

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Speaker 2: Young or Derek Carr the former Ringer for that matter, Like, No,

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm not. I think Minshew if I'm looking

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Speaker 2: for the ceiling, it's higher for him than any of

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Speaker 2: those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Donald's unique. It's just the juxtaposition is Herbert coming

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Speaker 3: back to the pack and now maybe you know Gardner

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Speaker 3: Minshew for how good it was with the Colts of

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Speaker 3: maybe making that push. I feel like We've touched on

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Speaker 3: everybody except Aaron Rodgers and Will Levis, so there I've

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Speaker 3: said their names.

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Speaker 4: I think we're good.

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Speaker 2: Mic Yeah, well, plenty plenty of talking on Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: can you no question? And I like Will Levis and

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Speaker 2: his big arm. I don't know about the mayonnaise thing,

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Speaker 2: but the big arm and potential there. But he's a

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Speaker 2: guy we'll save for the Ninjas episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think his backfield will help. Obviously

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Speaker 3: know Dereck Henry, but you know everything new there. You

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Speaker 3: bring in Calvin Ridley as well, so even though DeAndre

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Speaker 3: Hopkins is dinged up, you still have some weapons, so

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Speaker 3: maybe there's a possibility. All right there, It is your

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Speaker 3: quarterback talk and during the twenty twenty four Fantasy season,

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Speaker 3: who we like, who we don't like, who we are

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Speaker 3: kind of on. Hopefully it helps you drafting. Mike mentioned

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Speaker 3: Bijon Robinson. He's going to be a topic of conversation

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Speaker 3: when we talk running backs in our next episode.

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Speaker 4: So for our executive producer.

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Speaker 3: Ian Roddy and for Mike Carmon, you can find on

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Speaker 3: X at Swollen Dome. Find me at Dan Byer on Fox.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dan Byer. It's back and it's I want your

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