1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Ka boom. If you thought four hours a day, hundred 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: minutes a week was enough, I think again. He's the 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: last remnants of the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: He treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: the rich pill poppers in the penthouse. The Clearinghouse of 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: with Ben Maller starts right now that it is welcome 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: in the Fifth Hour with Ben at Mallard. Because four 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: hours a night are not enough, we do this now 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: eight days a week, Happy Friday, Friday Friday. This of 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: course a spinoff of the Overnight Show, but only in 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: the podcast format, so we can say naughty words. We 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: can say bad words here on this podcast. Joined yet 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: again making his way, and we're in a new studio. 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: It must have had a little different We're in a 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: new studio this week. May taking his way in from 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: west of the four oh five. David Gascon is right here. 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: Oh you have that little that sound, crowd ping, crowd boys, 19 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: crowd always finds away in what's the four oh five? 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Things are just a little bit different here, as I 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: know you are aware. My um my Tomahawk steaks are 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: are nicely cooked and commonly basted with the guitarry hockey 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: sauce and onions in the whole nine yards. And uh yeah, 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: I continue to bring in elite guests as we have 25 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: one on deck as we speak, Yes, warming up in 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: the on deck circle right now, So we don't have 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: time to get into culinary arts. I will tell you 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: I made, I made, I have perfected the Mallard pizza, 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: the garlic onion, bell pepper Mark Mallard pizza. It is 30 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: a masterpiece. I'm thinking about opening up my own pizzeria 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: if this radi of thing doesn't work out, and I'm 32 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: just gonna get into the pizza business. Is that good? Uh? 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: And I was gonna send you a picture, but you 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: probably would have been so jealous you would have demanded 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: that I make a Mallard pizza for you. So I 36 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: didn't do that. But we'll talk about that at some 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: point over the weekend. We will get into that. But 38 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: but right now, I am very excited. This is a 39 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: guy who has been around. I've followed him at the 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: Big Lead, I've I've only met him once or twice 41 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: over the years. He's got a very popular podcast. Now 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: the Straight Fire Podcast. Jason McIntyre, he's multimedia, he's it 43 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: was part of the Big Lead. He sold the Big Lead. 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get to that at some point. He 45 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: is a hot take artists. He's he's had some viral 46 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 1: takes on Lebron and he currently loves Luca don Chick 47 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: of the Dallas Maverige. I think you'd like to have 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: Luca's child. He loves him so much. And he's a 49 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: bit of a Clipper hater, which is troubling to me. 50 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: But Jason McIntyre is his name. Hot takes is his game. 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: So welcome in, Jason. And you've got this daily podcast. 52 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: I know you've been doing it a while with iHeart 53 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: the Straight Fired Podcast. And how the heck is it going? 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me? I mean you'd have to ask 55 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: the Big Boss is how it's going. I rarely look 56 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: at the numbers or asked for them. But it's hell 57 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: of fun, man. We started back in August, and uh, 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's fun during NFL, it's funduring NBA. 59 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: We haven't got to the dog days this summer yet. 60 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: Where I don't know, I guess I'm gonna have to 61 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: talk about baseball every day. Uh, you know, basically, we're 62 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: trying to capture the zeitgeist and figure out what the 63 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: biggest story in sports is and hit on it and 64 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: have a take. Um it's it's a lot of fun. 65 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: I can't recall a time I've had more fun than 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, when I started out at FS one in 67 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: that's cool. And so do you have a battle plan 68 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: Jason for the summer time, which is it's been called 69 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: the dead zone in sports radio and sports conversation. So 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: are you just gonna like, do the NFL upcoming? You know, 71 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: a list that kind of stuff, and what is your 72 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: battle plan here? Yeah? I mean I love the NFL. 73 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: It's my bread and butter. I love gambling. But I 74 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: figured we could probably just argue about Jordan and Lebron 75 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: every day for a month and that might work. Uh. 76 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: People seem to have I mean, you know when they 77 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: do give me numbers on the pod, they're like, holy cow, 78 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: this Steph Curry take it just went bonkers and drove 79 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: huge numbers. I'm like, really, what do they say? Ben, 80 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: You've been in radio forever. Play the hits. I'll argue 81 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: with anybody you know back in when I was a kid. 82 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: It's funny. One of my teachers, I think it was 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: third grade at parent teacher night was like, you know, 84 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: Jason's going to make a lawyer one day because he 85 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: he loves to argue with me. And it was like 86 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: third grade, and I was like, all right, I'm gonna 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: be a lawyer. And you know, then you look into 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 1: it and you're like, oh, yeah, it's four more years 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: of school after no shot of that. But yeah, I mean, like, listen, 90 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: I love sports debate. It's fun. So, Jason, you mentioned gambling, 91 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: and uh, I've heard stories a prolific gambler. Are you 92 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: a chop dog type of gambler? How would you describe 93 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 1: your gambling philosophy over the gut instinct or the team 94 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: or the player? Uh? You always want the best number. Um. 95 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: And you know, when I was back at the Big Lead, 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: like you know, I started doing a weekly NFL gambling 97 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: thing and I was able through somebody I knew, to 98 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: get already laying to submit gambling picks. Uh. You know, 99 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: I was like betting against already laying for fun. And 100 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, Frankly Alread Lange was like on the Stern 101 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Show and things were going well for him, and then 102 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: they deteriorated pretty quickly. Uh. And I eventually didn't know 103 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the season if already Lang was 104 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: submitting picks or it was like the middleman, you know, 105 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: his guy, Um. But you know, I'll put my numbers 106 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: up against anybody. My NBA Playoff numbers this year not 107 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: very good. Uh, but you know, gambling is so fun. 108 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: I think I got my first trip to Vegas, and 109 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this is amazing. Hey, Jason, I know 110 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: that one of the things that I first heard you 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: talk about when when you actually came to the network. 112 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: Were there the super contests? Uh in Vegas? Most people 113 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: don't know what that is. Can you explain that for 114 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: the audience? Yeah, you gotta pick against the spread games 115 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: every week for the entires, and anybody can every week 116 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: run And I think I was like top ten twice 117 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: early in the season. But sticking with it, man is brutal. 118 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: I always create her right around Thanksgiving because you know, 119 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: you could stay harble every September October and then like 120 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: the holidays come up, family trying orchestrate travel and you 121 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: actually have to pay attention to your family a little 122 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: bit and all of a sudden. Every year at Thanksgiving, 123 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: I just start struggling and that usually carries over. I've 124 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: never cashed. I've come close, uh usually the top fifty cash. 125 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: But as the as the super content US has expanded, UM, 126 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: and now there's other sports books doing it, so there's 127 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: multiple versions of it. UM. I think everybody's gonna get involved. 128 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: They really, you know, this day, they've got to open 129 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: it up so you don't have to be in Vegas 130 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: and you can enter because I'm I mean in August, 131 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to make that you know, five hour 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: drive there, four and a half whatever, and then sign 133 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: up for the contest, turn around to drive home, Like 134 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to do that in the day. I 135 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: did that last year. I left it like four thirty 136 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: in the morning to beat the l A traffic. UM. 137 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: And it sucks, but driving through the desert in August 138 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: is obviously a lot of fun. See you are You 139 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: are a unique guy, and Jason, I think you are 140 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: the second person ever on Ben's podcast to actually live 141 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: west of the four h Fire Freeway. So I want 142 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: to welcome you personally as another guy west of the 143 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,559 Speaker 1: four or five Crew Way. We are an elite group 144 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: of people. Ben condemns us. Uh, well, no, listen, listen. 145 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: You know the landscape Jason in l A. There is 146 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: the west of the four oh five, and then there's 147 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: east of the four or five. That's like a point 148 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: of demarcation in southern California. And I point this out 149 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: to Gascon and he does not seem to embrace it. 150 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: He pushes back on it. But if you've spent any 151 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: time in southern California, you know, like that's the beach 152 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: communities are west of the four h five, right, most 153 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: almost all of them, and then east of the four 154 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: oh five is mostly the working class people. That's where 155 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: the working class people live east of the four oh five. Okay, 156 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: so explainant the people west of the four or five 157 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: don't work well, well, no, they have less less physical jobs, right, Yeah. 158 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: The people east of the four or five are getting 159 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: gunk under their fingernails and they're you know, they're getting 160 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: they're back pain all the time and that kind of thing. 161 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: And then it's you know, it's different west of the 162 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: four oh five. It's suntane ocean, palm trees, cocktails. I mean, 163 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: it's a different lifestyle west of the four oh five. Okay, 164 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: you know again, I'm a newbie, so I'm not familiar 165 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: with this line of demarcation. I will say it is 166 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: a different vibe east of the four oh five when 167 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: you drive to the Hollywood Bowl or uh you know 168 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: you go to go even going to work, uh you know, 169 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: on the Fox lot. But yeah, listen, he's just like 170 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: taking shots at the west of the floor oh five crowd, Like, 171 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you got to come out for summer. Dude, 172 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: this is far. I can't afford it. I can't afford it. 173 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: That really, jealousy would be the reason I'm doing overnight series, 174 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: JA said, I'll be overnight guy. Come on, man, I 175 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: can't afford that. It's out of control here, my god, 176 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: you I'm not exactly pulling in call and countered money, 177 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. So I can you 178 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: can certainly swing it. As a radio veteran out here 179 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: in l A, I will just see this. Um. It 180 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: is a different life than I grew up in. Like 181 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: in the summer now we beach camp there at the 182 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: beach like everyday practice. Yeah, you know, when I was 183 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: growing up on the East Coast, we would make maybe 184 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: two or three trips to the beach all year. Uh 185 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: and now it's like, you know, we're they're probably another week. Yeah. 186 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: Where did you grow up? By the way, we're in 187 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: your childhood. Where I grew up? You know, I was 188 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: born in New York, hence the next and Jets fandom, 189 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: and then we grew up in Northern Virginia. My dad 190 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: worked at the government uh in BC, and um, you know, 191 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Northern Virginia was kind of exploding, so we were out 192 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: there just you know, firmly in the middle class. We 193 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: took one or two vacations a year. Uh. You know, 194 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: we saw a lot of family members. You know, I 195 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: was the first one in my family born in America. 196 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: My family family came from the Caribbean. So, um, I'm 197 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: definitely you know, David tried to call me. I don't 198 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: know if he was going unicorn, but I'm definitely unique 199 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: in the in the sports media industry. Uh. Now, a 200 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: lot of guys with the Caribbean background who have the 201 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: last named McIntyre but are definitely not Irish. Uh So, yeah, 202 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: I have a kind of a unique in unique background. Yeah. Absolutely. 203 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: You you mentioned when you talk about gambling with you 204 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: being in those super contest analogies and that, and we 205 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: are heading towards the golden age here. I know from 206 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: talking to different people the advertising in sports media, which 207 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: has already started, but once this fully matures, I mean, 208 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: you've been in the business a while now too, So 209 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: what are we looking at here? For those of us 210 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: that work in sports media with all the gambling money 211 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: that's gonna be the sports wagering. Once California and in 212 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: some of these other states that haven't yet legalized it 213 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: get into it, it is gonna be the gold rush, 214 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be huge, is it not? It's been saying. 215 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: The one example somebody gave to me recently was, hey, 216 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: so Adrian Woddarowski is paid by ESPN, right, what happens 217 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: if Van Duel says, boy, if we can get access 218 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: to everybody woad tweets out too and Instagrams two and 219 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: Facebook's two. Boy, that's a lot of customers who are 220 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: die hard sports fans hanging on his every word. What's 221 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: just top fan Duel or draft Kings from saying or 222 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: Fox bet, Hey, WHOA, We're gonna pay you ten million 223 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: dollars a year. We're gonna double your salary. You now 224 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: work for us. You can still break your news, do 225 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: your thing, but it's your Twitter feed sponsored by fox Beet, 226 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: and now everybody who gets your feed and your news 227 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: it's all through fox Beet. Why why would that not happen? Ben? No, 228 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think it's it's insane. It's 229 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: good for all of us. Like guys, well, we're not 230 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 1: I'm not at level. You're more of that. I'm not 231 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: listen event. There's only one would there's one schefter, you know. 232 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that Peter King is gonna bite on 233 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: this kind of thing, rapaport, you know. And then you 234 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: get down the list, and then you get to like 235 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: the fless celebrities like us, and they're like, oh, we 236 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: can throw this guy a couple of million bucks because 237 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: guess what. Ben Muller as a radio show that's everybody's known, 238 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: and he's got a die hard following every night, and 239 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: his podcast numbers are good. It's coming, Ben. We just 240 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: have to be patient, right, Yeah, that's the hard part. Patience. No, patience, 241 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't but you know, it's a little bit different 242 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: of the beast. Hey, Jason, I know that obviously being 243 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: a die hard Jets fan, you haven't had any kind 244 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: of excitement since Venny Tista Verdi broke your heart in 245 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: the a f C Championship game against the Broncos. Back, Um, 246 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: are you having any kind of of I guess reminiscence 247 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: about getting a guy that you guys have right now 248 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: and bolting with Sam Darl Do you feel like was 249 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson coming and he is a savior? All right? 250 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, gas Gun, that's fake news, the 251 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: Vinny test of Verdie stuff. Okay, did you forget about 252 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: the Mark Sanchez era? Mark Sanchees went to two damn 253 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: a f C title games back to back. Those are 254 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: those were threats? Those weren't threats to me to win 255 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? That the Jets that season were actually good. 256 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: The last Jets game that mattered Jets stealers an FC 257 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: title game. I think it was twenty four nothing at 258 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: one point, Sanchez Santonio Holmes. They storm back and the 259 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: Jets they just the defense needed one stop. And yes, 260 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: I've replayed this game in my head a million times. 261 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: They needed one stop and Big Ben keep chewing up 262 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: like four or five six yards. Levian I think it 263 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: was Levian Bell. No, no, I'm sorry it wasn't Lean 264 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: bell Um. But they could not get the stop, they 265 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: could not get the ball back Steelers win. Um. I 266 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: thought Sam Donald could get them somewhere. Man, I'm not 267 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: gonna lie. I was out front driving the Sam Donald bus. 268 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: And you know I was wrong about Adam Gaze, way 269 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: way wrong, embarrassingly wrong. Um. I'm hopeful that pretty boy 270 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: Zach can make this happen. I've called him zac Efron 271 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: multiple times, by the way, but doesn't even look like 272 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: zac Efron, like he looks like he's years old. I 273 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: firmly believe the Jets have something now. I like this 274 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: new coach, Robert Salah. Um. I just feel like it 275 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: feels like the perfect time with the Patriots sinking, I 276 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: think two was a big fraud. And um, I'm still 277 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: not a hundred thousand percent sold on Josh Allen. I 278 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: think the Jets come back. But yeah, and it's it's 279 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: been a wrong three decades now. You bring up the 280 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: situation with with Zach Wilson and and obviously being a 281 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: little wrong on on Adam Gaze, And I'm happy you 282 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: did do that because Ben and I have worked with 283 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: a colleague that you are are obviously close with now 284 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: and that's Robert Gara, and we need I need your 285 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: help because I feel like you have corrupted Bob in 286 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: this way where every morning Bob has these tweets that 287 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: echo straight fire. It's just like these takes. I'm thinking, like, man, 288 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: Jason's rubbing off on Bob's so much. I don't know 289 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: if it's I don't know if it's me or it's 290 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: Rob Parker. Because Rob Parker's takes are so damn hot 291 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: these days. You know you're gonna drop your phone look 292 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: at at the damn thing you gotta where of admits 293 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: to hear these crazy, insane Rob Parker rants, which makes 294 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: no sense, but you know he's a buddy, so he's 295 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: afraid to have me co host with him. By the way, Gascon, 296 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: I know you know this, Ben, I don't know if 297 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, Like when Bruce starts out, Parker gets to 298 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: pick who he wants is his is his co host, 299 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: And there was a time when he would pick me, 300 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's bring in McIntyre. He don't pick me 301 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: anymore because Lebron you name it um. But you know, listen, Rob, 302 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: Rob's got some good take. Rob where that is that's 303 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: pretty interesting takes. He's a little in on on the 304 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: Lakers to the point where he can't see straight. You know, 305 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, it's the Laker, this guy. Um, 306 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm working on him. Um, but I think 307 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna be all right. Because you work in multiple 308 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: dimensions television, digital, and radio, what's your preferred medium? Well, 309 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: that's a great question, and Ben, it goes back to 310 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: your West of the four oh five. You want to 311 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: live out here, you need three or four revenue streams, 312 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: which is why we working like a dog. Fox Digital TV, radio, podcast. Um. 313 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: You know, each of them is different and has their pluses. 314 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: The written word doesn't carry the way that used to, 315 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: but man, um, it is awesome when you write something 316 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: and they put the right headline on it and it 317 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: just mushrooms and everybody hates your guts. Obviously, podcasting there's 318 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: no rules, right, I mean, I'm I'm relatively new to this. 319 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: When I was in college, podcasting did not exist down 320 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's making on a hundred million a year, so 321 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: you could do whatever you want on podcasting. TV obviously 322 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: is the glamorous one where you feel great. You feel 323 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: that rush when the you know, the red light comes on, 324 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: and um, it's super exciting. And radio, of course, UM, 325 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: you really can have some good rants. I had an 326 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: epic Toronto Raptors rant where I just totally can I 327 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: say bad words here? And I just took a ship 328 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: on the Raptors. I was so pissed that Kauai got 329 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: lucky when Durant and everybody got hurt, and I just 330 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: unloaded on those guys, just a torrent of diarrhea all 331 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: over the franchise and like, I got like all these 332 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: death threats from these losers in Toronto, um, and I 333 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: had to block of them on my Instagram and all 334 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: this stuff. But um, radio, you could you get a 335 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: really good lather going. Man, it feels good to just 336 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: unload on someone. Yeah, radio is just a different, different 337 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: beast obviously, because you know bench show, it's like at 338 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: certain times of the of the hour, you really can 339 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: get after it the safe harbor space. But with that 340 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: being said, who's your favorite person to work with? We're 341 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: talking about Fox FS one and obviously on the digital side, 342 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: because you've worked obviously with some some big that's a 343 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: load of question. Yes, that's a loaded question. I mean 344 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: I think if it's if it was your least favorite 345 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: to work with, that's a lot easier of a question, um, 346 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: but a favorite to work with, you know, Like listen, 347 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: Bruce had is a lot of fun. Coward obviously is fun. Uh. 348 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: You know, on on the digital side, I've been doing 349 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: some fun stuff with Jeff Schwartz. Um. You know. On 350 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: on the radio side, yeah, I think I've hosted with 351 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: kind of intimidating guys. Like when you're sitting next to 352 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: Steven Jackson or Matt Barnes and you know, these are big, tall, millionaires, 353 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: tattered up, not looking like guys that I went to 354 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: high school with or college. It can be intimidating, but man, 355 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: it's fun when you start vibing with them. Uh. Karen 356 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: Butler really good guy. A lot of NFL guys. Will 357 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: Blackman's awesome. And I just know I backed out of 358 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: the question by naming like fifteen people, who's your favorite listen? 359 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: I could throw it out there. I could go either 360 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: Bob Gara or Gavin Kinsel one of the two. Oh, 361 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: those guys are good dudes. Man. I will say, have 362 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: you had Gavin on the pod lately? I have not. 363 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: I love Gavin Gavin and Bob are always great. Gavin, 364 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: I feel like it's easier to get worked up if 365 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: you veer into some Clay Travis territory. Gavin will get 366 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: fired up. Bob a little less easy to get worked up. 367 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: Maybe if you took a shot at Kobe. But you 368 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: know that's not ever smart dude, Jason. It's weird because 369 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: the dynamic behind that network. I know you're not there 370 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: all the time, but it is either Laker or Dodger Town, 371 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: and god forbid one of those teams loses, Like these 372 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: guys won't show up to work or they'll just show 373 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: up with diapers and and and obviously handkerchiefs and and 374 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: it's embarrassing grown asked men right complaining about their team losing. 375 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Matt, maybe we should all get behind the Clippers. 376 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: You know, I haven't seen here's a funny thing. I 377 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: haven't seen a damn word said about NBA ratings for 378 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: like three days. Lakers are out. I mean, I'm not 379 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: building my Knights around suns nuggets. Everybody on the East 380 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: Coast is happy. I mean, you get to go to 381 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: bed early. No disrespect to jazz clip paper clips, but 382 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: nobody's like I gotta stay up till twelve o'clock to 383 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: watch you know, kaw While Leonard and Paul George. Ben 384 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: am I getting the vibe here. You're a Clippers guy. 385 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 386 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific 387 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. 388 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not just a Clipper guy. I'm a 389 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: Clipper live dog. And by the way, you was a 390 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: Jets fan, Jason, you should have empathy for the Clippers. 391 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: The Clippers are essentially the Jets of the NBA. And 392 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: for you to throw dirt, I saw what you said 393 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: about the Mavericks against the Clip. You were all over 394 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: the Mavericks. You were you were riding with Luca don 395 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: Check my man. Come on willing to say right now, Ben, Luca. 396 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: If I'm starting a team anybody in the NBA, I'm 397 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: going Luca Donches first. Now are you thinking? Listen, Luca, 398 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: if did you watch those games later in the game, 399 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: it was Tim Hardaway Jr. And other guys that were 400 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: making big shots for the Mavericks where they were beating 401 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: the Clippers. It was Luca was Luke was chilling at 402 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: for the first three quarters of the game. Listen, and 403 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: they lost to the Clippers after having a two nothing. 404 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: How great is Luca? Come on and entree too? Well, 405 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: you know, listen, I felt Luca he was like questionable 406 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: for Game seven because his back was hurting from carrying 407 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: the damn franchise for the first few quarters of every game. 408 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: I think thirty five, ten and seven against Kawai and 409 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: Paul George wore the best wing defenders in the league. 410 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: Just what quarter he got? He got tired? Like, I mean, 411 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: sorry that boban And and Chris STAPs porzingis who like 412 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: who who'd rather hang out at the local bar. He'd 413 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: rather hang out at a watering hole than he would 414 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: in the paint, whereas seven foot guys should be. And 415 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: I was complaining, like Luca, donte you know I'm all 416 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: about that guy right now. I mean, you get how 417 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: about this, Ben, If you swapped Kauai and Luca and 418 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: you put Kauai on the on the MAVs, what's that 419 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: series four old Clippers? Well, Kauai didn't show up for 420 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: a couple of games too. I mean that's be I 421 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean Kauai he played very well at the end. 422 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: There were a couple of games Kauai was kind of 423 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: going through the motions too. It's that's by the way 424 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: porzingis he was at the ballet Jason. You're supposed to 425 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: appreciate a man that but wait, hold up, Ben, who 426 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: are you taking over Luca to start a team in 427 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: the NBA? Age obviously matters salary a little bit less. 428 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: So well, I'm not only worried about about ten years 429 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: or something. I think the problem people making sports is 430 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: they're concerned about, you know, what's gonna happen. Luca might 431 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: stink in five years. You don't know. I mean, these 432 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: guys just you don't know that. You know, you can't 433 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: assume that Luca is gonna continue down down the path 434 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: that he has right now. And and it was Trey 435 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: Young has has led a team further than Luca in 436 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: the playoffs. I wouldn't pick Trey Young per se. But 437 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: if if winning is the goal, I can get anybody 438 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: to put up stats. That's you know. Following the NBA, 439 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: there were guys on bad teams. I remember years ago, 440 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: when I started covering the NBA in the nineties, there 441 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: were guys I covered the Clippers. They were horrible, and 442 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: there were guys who were putting up great stats, empty 443 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: stats because the team was terrible and all that. And 444 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: then you know, listen, I'm not in fully in love 445 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: with Luca. The stat domination is great and all that, 446 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: but I gotta I gotta see more. Now, more importantly, 447 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: you are. You are Also, why did Luca slander? Then 448 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna stand for that. I mean, listen, 449 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: I don't follow a ton of athletes on on the Graham, 450 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: but I follow Luca. Dontage, man, I like this guy. 451 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: He is so talented. So when you you you were 452 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: covering the NBA eight, I'm sure you saw it. In 453 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, Mike, we all realized Michael Jordan 454 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: didn't win jack Squat until Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson 455 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: showed up. Michael Jordan was putting a monster numbers in 456 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: the eighties and getting his butt kicked by the bad boys, 457 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh, he doesn't have help. Well, how 458 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: could we're not saying the same thing about Luca Now, 459 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: I mean Lucas kicking the ball to Dwight Powell and 460 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: Maxi Kleiber. You wouldn't know him if he delivered door 461 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: dash to your house tomorrow. I mean, like, has no 462 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: help whatsoever. I mean again, Magic Johnson came into the NBA. 463 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: He's dishing to uh, Norm Nixon, Kareem abdul Jabbar. Oh, 464 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: let's just grab James Worthy like Magic had the perfect setup, 465 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: like Luca Dontage. I know I've gassed him up too much. 466 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: Go ahead, trash him now, No, trash him. I'm just saying, Yeah, 467 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: for every Michael Jordan's there's ten other guys that had 468 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: great stats and never never took it to the next level. 469 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: Jordan did. And I you know this idea that it 470 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: was all because of Pippen. If Pippen hadn't been there, 471 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: who's to say somebody else wouldn't have come along. It 472 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: would have helped out. Uh, you know Jordan, And you're 473 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: a Knicks fan. Christops Porzingis was like God's gift to 474 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: the Knicks when he was in New York, right, No, 475 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: he loved him. They wanted to. They wanted to give 476 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: him a statue and a ticker tape parade in New 477 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: York because he they did. I mean, they loved Porzingis 478 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: and now another st Actually, but I did want to 479 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: mention here and I know you are even though you're 480 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: a Knicks fan, you are a huge Lebron James guy. 481 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: Am I am I correcting that you have you a 482 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: watch pool idic about Lebron. I mean, wax poetic, maybe strong, 483 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: but I think undeniably like I can appreciate his greatness. 484 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: I was never a Michael Jordan's guy, but I appreciated. Man, 485 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: this guy's a killer. Larry Bird Okay, I born in 486 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: New York. I automatically hate all New England teams. I 487 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: do not like Larry Bird. He's awesome. Larry Bird's a killer. 488 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: I don't really like Tom Brady. But man, that guy's 489 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: freaking good. He's just a winner. He's clutch. Um. I 490 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: never loved Lebron with the heatles um. I just the 491 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: story that he can go to any franchise and instantly 492 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: they're in the finals is pretty much something that we 493 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: haven't ever seen before in sports. Like winning a title awesome, 494 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: but he won, and then he leaves and he gets 495 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: back to the finals. Then he goes to l A 496 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: and wins another championship, Like have we ever seen this? 497 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: A guy go to three different places, be the driving 498 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: force behind it everywhere and winning championships like it's unheard of. Practically, 499 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm kind of in awe of his greatness, and yes, 500 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: I have him as the greatest player of all time. 501 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm at Michael Jordan guy, So I'm not I've not 502 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: been swayed by Lebron James. But with the Lakers, and 503 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: you will admit that he is a declining star with 504 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: the Lakers. He's been there three years. The first year 505 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: they got to the lottery, he got hurt. The second year, 506 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: to me, that Bubble championship, I don't put a lot 507 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: of stock in that because of what happened with the 508 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: with not traveling in no home court road situation, So 509 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: I don't put a lot of stock in that. And 510 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: then this past year he got hurt again. So he's 511 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: been in l a three years. He's had injuries, and 512 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: two of them first round playoff exit and also a 513 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: lottery appearance for the Lakers. That's you know, that's not 514 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: to me, that's not over the top amazing. And if 515 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: you look at the age, if you look at the 516 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: cops Jason, then you know it's it's gonna be kind 517 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: of more like when Kobe was at the end and 518 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: he was you know, he had lost it, and Kobe 519 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: got hurt a lot, and the Lakers were terrible. Like 520 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: to me, Lebron's declining entity at this point, and the 521 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: Lakers seemed to they seemed to be convinced that he's 522 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: just gonna be the same Lebron, you know, the way 523 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: he was four years ago, next year in the year after. 524 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: I I don't see that happening about you. Naturally, he's 525 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: gonna be declined in his age. But it's funny because 526 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: what he's doing now. Michael Jordan had already quit twice. 527 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: He bailed on the NBA twice because he couldn't take it. 528 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: Like he wins three titles, goes to the finals three 529 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: years in a row. Michael Jordan's like, oh, I got 530 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: over time, exhausted, Like he went on last dance and 531 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: said that three straight trips to the finals and you're exhausted. 532 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: Lebron went eighth straight and he never never quit. Now now, yes, 533 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: his body's breaking down. He's thirty six. But I just 534 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: want to remind people after Game three, I was actually 535 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: a Game three at Staples. Lakers are up to one 536 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: in that series. Nobody, not one soul said Phoenix has 537 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: this series, They're gonna be fine. Lebron and A D 538 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: are clicking. A D had thirty four in Game two 539 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: and thirty four and Game three like they were gonna 540 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: probably roll in five or six over Phoenix, and then 541 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: he D goes down and it's like, well, there goes 542 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: the season. Uh So, I mean, I don't think anybody 543 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: expected Lebron to be able to carry you know, Dennis 544 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: Shrewder and k c P and Mr unreliable Kyle Kuzba. 545 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: I sit by the way Beniel like this, I said 546 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: on an undisputed that Kyle Kuzma, it's about as reliable 547 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: as the WiFi in my basement, and like apparently it 548 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: got back to him and he was ticked off because 549 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: I know some people kind of need the Lakers. Cacusa 550 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: didn't show. Jake Crowner made six damn three pointers in 551 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: Game six. Cocus would made like four in the series, 552 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: I think three or four in the series, like Kuzma 553 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: doesn't deliver. Nobody expected Lebron to carry that corpse past 554 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: the Suns, who had the second best record in the league. 555 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: Right Well, Lebron, though he said it himself. He was 556 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: gonna put on his shoulders. He implied the shoulders were 557 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: made to carry the Lakers, and he didn't do that. 558 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: But yeah, the Lakers say that as opposed to we're 559 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: gonna get her asses kicked, like Chris Paul and Devin Booker. 560 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: You know, well, well, no, you could be like Kawhile 561 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Letard and not say anything. Kauai. You know when the Clipper, 562 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: when the Clippers fell behind too nothing into the matters, 563 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: he didn't really say like, we're gonna come back and 564 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: win the series. He just like, you know, he just doesn't. 565 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: He's like a robot, are you well. I like him 566 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: as a player, but he's you know, as for what 567 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: we do, Jason, this is not good. Kauai is not 568 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: radio friendly, he's not podcast friendly. Lebron is very I'll 569 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: give Lebron credit. He I have on a slow day, Jason, 570 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,239 Speaker 1: over the years here at night, you know, I'll just 571 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: go to Lebron. He'll still He'll say something crazy, stupid, whatever, 572 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: and I can get a segment out of it. So 573 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: I would like to thank Lebron for that. But Kyle Kuzma, 574 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: they were listen, they you saw us, They were leaving 575 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: Kuzma open. I mean he had he had some great 576 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: takes where our shots where he was like open, he 577 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: didn't make them, and the Lakers left Jake Crowd as 578 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned, he was making him, you know, he didn't 579 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 1: make He didn't make him early in the series, but 580 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: by the end of it he was knocking down. That's 581 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: a good it's a good point. Early in the series 582 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: they had a d back there, right, and so the 583 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: rotations are easier when you got Anthony Davis on the 584 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: back line. And then listen, Cameron Payne was blowing by 585 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: Lebron like he was in cement shoes. And it's a 586 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: lot more difficult to play defense if you're Lebron or 587 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: k c P or any of these guys when you 588 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: don't have Anthony Davis back there. Look over your shoulder 589 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: and Andre Drummond, who you know, struggles to tie his 590 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: shoes and chew gum at the same time, Like it's 591 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: just a different animal. And the Lakers they got deep 592 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: panted um. I'm hopeful that they can come back next year. 593 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: Just I will say in the bubble, fully healthy Lakers, 594 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: role fully healthy against the Sun's up to one. Laquers 595 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: were good. I don't necessarily think the sky is falling, 596 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: but they can't weather another twenty games without Lebron. I say, 597 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,959 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to start the load managing. And remember 598 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was retired by thirty seven. I mean, he 599 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: came back when he was thirty nine as a fossil 600 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: with the Washington Wizards in my backyard, and he couldn't 601 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: even drag that team to the playoffs, you know. So, um, 602 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: I just think the hay giography over Jordan is a 603 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: bit much. Ben. You go online and these guys act 604 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan never missed a damn shot. How soon 605 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: we forget that Donald Royal of the Orlando Magic picked 606 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: his pocket and went in for a dunk. And when 607 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic you're laugh at Gascon this happened. It's 608 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: on YouTube. We scrugged this away. Oh, because he had 609 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 1: played baseball. He only came back for twenty games. Okay, 610 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: you know Donald Royle picked his pocket and dunked, and 611 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: the Magic knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs. But 612 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: somehow that doesn't count against George. But I think to 613 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: be fair though, Jason, you would agree, especially with the 614 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: Jordan's and Lebron talk is that most people only worried 615 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: about the contemporaries. They lose, they lose their nature of 616 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: an argument because they don't have that kind of roll 617 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: decks of content. Like you could talk to Brussard about 618 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: basketball and he'll start picking guys off. You know, Oscar Robertson, obviously, 619 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: Creme Al dul Jabbar, Jerry West. These guys from yesteryear 620 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: are guys that put up monster numbers and they played 621 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: in a different era. You put them in today's game 622 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: with obviously the rough housing that's not that was permitted 623 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: back then. Now it is not. These guys would be 624 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: lighting people up. I mean Jerry West point in an 625 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: era with no three point line. Okay, let me ask 626 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: you this. Uh, and you meant you referenced. I'm a 627 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: big Knicks fan. What is Patrick Ewing in today's NBA? Yeah, 628 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean he would be getting lit up. He would 629 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: be played off the floor. Uh. He doesn't have the 630 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: mobility of Gobert. And that's tough because you say that 631 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: to a guy like Hussar and you get defensive Well, 632 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing would have been shooting threes and that's that's accurate. 633 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: He would have been shooting. You know, some of these 634 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: guys like, I mean, you want to go back to 635 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: those Celtics when they won fifty titles in a row 636 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: with Bill Russell, Like, well, they're nine teams in the league, 637 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, you you find those highlights the black and white, 638 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: and it's like a bunch of white guys. You know, 639 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: no disrespect, But what does Zach Lavine doing in the 640 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties? Is he's averaging fifty a game? I mean, 641 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: is he putting a fIF sixty game? I'll tell you 642 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: right now. Ain't nobody in the nineteen sixties could check 643 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: Zach Lavine to save their life. But and he's not 644 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: even a top fifteen player in the league right now. 645 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: Not to be fair, though, what would happen with guys 646 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: like David Robinson and Hakeem Elijah On. I mean, those 647 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: are guys that played a host game is a true 648 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: big So what would happen to them in today's game? 649 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: We don't have many guys like Robinson. Well, the only 650 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: thing is Youing was more lumbering. He was really good 651 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: defensively early in his career with the box. But I 652 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: think a larger one would be Okay, I don't know 653 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: if he would be um like Rudy Gobert, but he 654 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: can at least score. I'll say this about Yoki and 655 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: the Nuggets. If you watch that game this week, it's 656 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: like they're not even looking inside. They're just like, oh, 657 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: we'd rather have Austin Rivers jack threes and composo. It's like, 658 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 1: if you at least go inside, you can get automatic points. 659 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: With a larger one, the defense has to probably help 660 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: a little bit, and those threes for Jay Crowder or 661 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: whoever on the Suns or Nuggets are a little bit easier. Um, 662 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I would guess a larger one 663 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: would be better than DeAndre Ayton right uh, and probably 664 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: better than Rudy Gobert. I mean, the game has just 665 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: changed so much. But I'll answer the question since Ben 666 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: did not. If I had to start a team now, 667 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: I would take Kevin Durant over Luca Don ten times 668 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: at a ten times, like there's no there's no ifs 669 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: ands or butts about it, Like there's no question in 670 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: my mind. And Kawhi Leonard Kawhi Leonard is a two 671 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: way player. Luka Don is an offensive threat. That is it. 672 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: You can't get stopped from Luca don Chech. He doesn't mean, 673 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: but if you're building a team, you build somebody with 674 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: on the back line. They could get those blocks the 675 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: way Anthony Davis does. I'll just say this. You know 676 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, oh, James Hard not 677 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: James Harden, Kevin Durant is amazing. Well yeah, no, ships 678 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: your lock. You know, Kevin Durant is amazing. That being 679 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: said Gascon, think back to is okay see dives Okay. Yes, 680 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: he could get a lot of wins. He could often 681 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: get to the finals. They were never able to win 682 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: a chip. Now I know what you're gonna say, Well, 683 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: Luca hasn't won a series. I totally get that. I 684 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: don't know if Durant had by twenty two, he might have. 685 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: I think it went to the finals at four. But um, yeah, 686 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is certainly up there. Uh. My thing with Luca, 687 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: I know he makes everyone better? Does Kevin Durant make 688 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: anyone else better? Well? And the thing about the rant 689 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: we used to kill him right with Oklahoma City. It 690 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: couldn't get over the hump, and he that reputation, and 691 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: then he went to Golden State obviously and changed it. 692 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: But we have limited time left, JA and I must 693 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: bring up the big lead. You are. You were known 694 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: as the guy you you helped create the domination that 695 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: was the Big League, and you sold it. I am 696 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: immensely jealous. I had a website, my own, my own 697 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: name on it, and I did pretty well. I had 698 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: a pretty good following, and I made some deals with 699 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: Yahoo and Fox Sports. I never I never made the 700 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: big like the big money, and and many people have 701 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: have said, why didn't you? I'm a bad businessman. You 702 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: are a smart businessman, Jason, you know you are. You 703 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: kind of walked me through the mindset of me, because 704 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: that had to be, I would say, a tough decision. 705 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: You obviously did very well financially. But what led you 706 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: to finally move on from from the Big League? Uh? Well, 707 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: you mean sell it or at the end about to 708 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: sell it, and then obviously eventually you left. It's it's 709 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: so funny this idea that like I made all this money. 710 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: First of all, that's not totally true. Like, yes, it 711 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: was mentioned in the New York Times seven figures got it, okay, 712 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: But it's not like I cleared uh twenty million bucks 713 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: or the volume or anything like that. Like, come on, um, 714 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: not the volume hasn't sold, but you know they're getting 715 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: tons of money, and Clay Travis did well. Um listen. 716 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 1: It was very fortuitous. It was at a good time. 717 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: Like everybody talks about disruptors right now, like Airbnb is 718 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: disrupting the hotel industry. Well, my website kind of disrupted 719 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: newspapers at the time. And you know, we weren't stealing 720 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: all their uh readership, but we were stealing enough that 721 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: it mattered. We had a young audience and this company 722 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: had approached me. It was like, hey, we want to 723 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: rent you with the option to buy. So we'll rent 724 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: you for a year and if we see the numbers 725 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: in the income and blah blah blah, we'll buy you. 726 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: And I was like all right, uh. And it's funny 727 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: because when I had that, two gentlemen in sports media 728 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: came to me and we're like, hey, don't do that deal, 729 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: do one with us. And it was Dan Lebottard and 730 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: Jason Whitlock. And they were friends at the time. I 731 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: don't know the friends anymore. I mean I think I've 732 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: told this story and like they were like, hey, hey, 733 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: hold off on selling. And I was like, seeing the 734 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: numbers these guys were telling me, uh, and I'm like, yeah, 735 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: I got the wife and we got a kid on 736 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: the way. Sorry guys, And of course they were not 737 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: thrilled about that. Uh. Selling it was was a good feeling. 738 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: Uh but again, like then you know you're a grinder 739 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: like I am. Like you sell it and then you 740 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: go to bed and you wake up just like everybody else. 741 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: You put on your socks. I don't sleep with socks. 742 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: You know, you put on your socks, you brush your teeth, 743 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: you go downstairs, just like, all right, what's next? Like 744 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: I'm not the kind of guy who's gonna sit there 745 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: and do like a massive victory lab because I sold 746 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: the website, Like all right, you gotta keep grinding away, 747 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: like it's weird in this industry. Ben I I'm I'm 748 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: almost certain, uh knowing a little about you that I know, 749 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: Like you're never like, alright, that was an amazing show. 750 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: Let me kick back and relax. It just doesn't work 751 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: like that. You know, You've always got to keep going. 752 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: You want forward momentum. I'm personally never satisfied. My wife 753 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: thinks it's a little bit unhealthy, but like, I'm sorry, 754 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: I just I'm not in the mood to like give 755 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: up like I'm trying to. I'm trying. I'm not trying 756 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: to get like gascon and work out and become monster. 757 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: But I like sports. You know, I just don't know 758 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,439 Speaker 1: that there's an endgame for me. Now. Maybe when I'm 759 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: like sixty something, I'll chill and want to retire, but 760 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: like I'm feeling in my prime. Uh, and I'm just 761 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: gonna keep working, whether it's website, digital, podcast, TV, ready whatever, 762 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: Like I got time, and what are the other options? 763 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: What am I gonna do? Like none of my friends 764 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: are retired. You know, I can't play golf every day. 765 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm not great at golf, but it's also boring as shit. 766 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: Um and like you can only play tennis so many 767 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: times a week, you know, I do pick up basketball. 768 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: Like if you had no job, like it wouldn't be 769 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: that great. You'd probably be unhealthy. You play video games, 770 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, you probably start hitting on with then everywhere. 771 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: Like I just like working, and uh, I really just 772 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: end up going to continue to uh try to kick ass. Yeah, 773 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: well you're you're doing a great job. I thank you 774 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: for coming on the podcast. I think we're wired the 775 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: same way. You just want to keep working. I don't 776 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: look back and listen to the show, and I just 777 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: move on to the next thing. So anyways, straight fire. 778 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: You can hear that every day, five days a week. Yes, 779 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 1: early in the morning, drops early in the morning. People 780 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: can listen to it on the way to work. And 781 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: thank you, Jason, Yeah, thank you. And hey, congrats on 782 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: you know, building a massive audience. Man, you're I mean, 783 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: you do huge numbers. They tell me at Fox like 784 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: your numbers are massive, So congrats man, thank you. Be 785 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: sure to catch live editions of The Ben Meller Show 786 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific on 787 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.