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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pi Zipia,

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Speaker 1: and we're here for another series of our early ranks.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look ahead to the expert consensus of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. Yeah, we know it's early, but it's never

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Speaker 1: too early to have some debates and some conversations and

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Speaker 1: to say what might be right and what might be

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Speaker 1: wrong about some of the rankings. And to help me

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Speaker 1: do that, Andrew Erickson and Jake Seey from The Athletic

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Speaker 1: are back again to have it out with the rankings

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Speaker 1: and see who's right and who's wrong. Well, that's for

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Speaker 1: you to decide at the end of the day because

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be drafting these teams. Don't forget to follow

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Speaker 1: subscribe where we get your podcasts as well. Gentlemen, we've

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Speaker 1: done the wide receivers. If you missed that show, you

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Speaker 1: can go back and watch it here on a YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel or just listen to the show as well. So

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Speaker 1: now it's time to break down the running backs, because

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Speaker 1: it was a running back renaissance in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Will it continue in twenty twenty six. Ah, that's the question.

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Speaker 1: So let's jump into the pool with two feet here,

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Speaker 1: and let's start at the very top of tier one.

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Speaker 1: Number one v Jean Robinson. No doubt about that. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: really concerned about that one. Jamiir Gibbs at number two,

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Speaker 1: No surprise there. And then at number three thirty year

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Speaker 1: old Christian McCaffrey coming off four thousand touches in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Now I could be exaggering that slightly. I

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Speaker 1: might not be. Let you guys decide. Number four in

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Speaker 1: tier two, Jonathan Taylor start off with a great season

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Speaker 1: that unfortunately Daniel Jones got hurt and the Colts went south,

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Speaker 1: way way south in the AFC South Devon ah Chan

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Speaker 1: James Cook at number six, the forgotten man in drafts

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Speaker 1: last year, except on all of my rosters because he

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Speaker 1: scored too many touchdowns in twenty twenty fours. She couldn't

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Speaker 1: pass be any good at twenty twenty five. If you

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Speaker 1: listen to the noise, sometimes you go deaf. Instead, just

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Speaker 1: draft James Cook at number six, that's right exactly, Astra

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Speaker 1: Jeny at number seven. Maybe he'll get an offensive line

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Speaker 1: this year for Christmas Omaron Hampton at number eight. And

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Speaker 1: then tier three you got Sakwan Barkley coming off a

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Speaker 1: year where he was being drafted as a very highly

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Speaker 1: rated running back. And as I told everyone, when it

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Speaker 1: has four hundred carries in a season, never finishes as

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Speaker 1: an RB one the next year. Nobody wanted to listen

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Speaker 1: to me. Unfortunately, he didn't finish as an RB one

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Speaker 1: last year, but he is back in that tier again

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Speaker 1: this season. Chase Brown at ten. Jeremiah Love doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a team, but that doesn't matter because the experts say

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Speaker 1: he's going to be a top twelve RB and that

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Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs at twelve. So let's start with Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: Andrew Erickson. We've had a lot of early discussions about this.

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Speaker 1: He is ranked number three, but where do you have

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Speaker 2: Much lower than the consensus rank of RB three. I

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Speaker 2: have met RB ten. It basically it's my way of

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Speaker 2: draft Christian McCaffrey in two that out of the twenty six,

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Speaker 2: and I'm okay with that. I think that the stats

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Speaker 2: that you brought up, Joe, in terms of the carry amount,

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Speaker 2: it's really insightful and that's something that I followed. I

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Speaker 2: did my own research too with it in terms of

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Speaker 2: and touches one year the following season, they don't ever

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Speaker 2: after seeing at least four hundred plus touches. Christ McCaffrey

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Speaker 2: the postseason. So again, could be wrong, could get burned.

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Speaker 2: This could be the year the outlier where CMC has

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Speaker 2: I'm just going in a different direction at running back

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Speaker 1: Right, get to one of your guys here, Ashton Genty.

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Speaker 1: The ECR has him at seven. Jake, you have him

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Speaker 1: a little lower. You have an eleven, which feels conservative,

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Speaker 1: head coach and an offensive line that's still very much

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Speaker 1: work in progress. What else can you add to this

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Speaker 1: pile here for Ashton Genty to be a little bit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you were watching the video and trying

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Speaker 3: to figure out how far I could roll my eyes

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Speaker 3: back into my head. You can jump over the athletic

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Speaker 3: and jump in the comments about the CMC discussion for

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Speaker 3: a completely different one.

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Speaker 1: Oh why you have them at one? Is that?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, don't believe in numbers and that real?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I do believe in numbers.

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Speaker 3: Are we really going to do this again?

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Speaker 1: We've already done it once before. Like I brought my

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Speaker 1: receipts with me. I got a receipts so long it's

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Speaker 1: like CVS style and I got the same receipt back.

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Speaker 3: Ricky Williams, Ladanian, Thomlinson for seventh straight year, CJ two Ki.

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Speaker 1: Before the year two thousand, and they're all after two thousand.

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Speaker 1: Nice try no, no two thousand end. You don't let

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Speaker 1: me finish, you know, I'll tell you what. I will

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Speaker 1: name three guys for every one you can if you

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Speaker 1: want to play. Now, that's not true.

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Speaker 3: That's not true, because you've already right. You can do it.

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Speaker 1: I have it. I know my list.

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Speaker 3: Ladanion Thomas from Ricky Williams, DeMarco Murray bounced back two

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Speaker 3: years later with Tennessee Everybody always.

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Speaker 1: Kalcked a lot. Not the year after though, not the

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Speaker 3: It's such a crutch. And this the top five is

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Speaker 1: Why because he's still Chris Harris? Why because you bringing

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Speaker 1: the crutch argument back? Yeah, but Eddie deb' murray in

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, Eddie George two thousand, Sean Alexander two thousand

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Speaker 1: Jamal Lewis two thousand and three. Shall I continue?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because Aaron Foster on my list, you picked the

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Speaker 3: last year, Larry Johnson on my list, you picked the

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Speaker 1: Rick Williams on my list, the last year the year

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Speaker 3: And that's the point. This is my point is like

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Speaker 3: which side you want. It's just I think the takeaway

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Speaker 3: But that's not where Christian McCaffrey's value lies. That's what

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Speaker 3: the industry as a mistake. You might be right, I

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Speaker 3: might be right. The biggest thing is if you go

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Speaker 3: I do not have as my RB one. I don't

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Speaker 3: I want at RB three mid round. John, you and

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Speaker 3: I did the draft. We talked about it. I have

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Speaker 1: Sure, so what is your McCaffrey. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: the guy we're gonna talk about with you, right, since

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Speaker 3: Well, we both have Chase Brown, so we don't have

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Speaker 1: No good. So, Chris McCaffrey, where do you have him

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Speaker 3: I have him at three, but I am a seventh overall.

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Speaker 1: Three seventh overall. Okay, So if Jonathan Taylor gets a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking Jonathan Taylor, and I feel better about James

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Speaker 3: Astute time I'm with you just at and this is

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Speaker 3: where I'm with you on this. So I have Bejeon

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Speaker 3: and Gibbs, Tier, McCaffrey, Taylor, a Chan, Cook, Hampton, Berkley, Henry.

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Speaker 3: You might even get Williams or Genty And that's my

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Speaker 3: little I think you set me up, Joe. This is

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Speaker 3: the one I'm so glad about because if you disagree,

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Speaker 3: that's fine, because just take whoever lasts the longest towards

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Speaker 3: because the value with all of those guys is going

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Speaker 3: if you really hate Christian McCaffrey, and that's what my

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Speaker 3: takeaway is going to be like. If you hate them, fine,

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Speaker 1: Tike Taylor.

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Speaker 3: If you hate both of them, take James Cook, take

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Speaker 3: a chance, take him, Mary and Hampton. They're all going

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Speaker 3: to be within the range of each other. And that's

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Speaker 3: the biggest thing here.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about Ashton genty.

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Speaker 3: So he's not going to be in the range of

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Speaker 3: these guys. He's not going to be in the range.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: This is why we do because all the way back

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Speaker 1: that I have been friends for fifteen years. Too long.

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Speaker 1: This is just what we do in real life. Way

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Speaker 1: too long, way too long, Ashton Gent, why do you

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Speaker 1: haven't sold?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: All right, Andrew X said, I need you to talk

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Speaker 1: This is classic Seally piece of pee. This is what

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Speaker 1: Chase Brown is number ten on the ECR, but you've

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Speaker 2: It's a former fifth round pick. He's shown that he

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Speaker 1: He was splitting touches.

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Speaker 1: Was this year.

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Speaker 2: So I love Chase Brown.

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Speaker 1: Well, obviously it's one thing we know Jake Seally hates.

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Speaker 1: So Jake, why do you dislike Chase Brown more than

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Speaker 1: because I don't draft thirty year old backs off four

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Speaker 1: All Right, we waited Jake Seally for the Karen Williams.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to set you up. ECR is sixteen, but

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Speaker 3: You know the cliche meme joke, loves something as much

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Speaker 3: as fantasy people want to murder. Kien Williams value every

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Speaker 3: single year like that fair. I have never seen a

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Speaker 3: Kyraen Williams. He has never not been top ten in

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Speaker 3: seventy one point five because, as we talked about Espaishally,

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Speaker 3: with him on fewer touches. It's who he is, It's

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much we have to do this.

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Speaker 3: If Matthew Stafford retired completely a different story. The offense

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Speaker 3: is now in flux. Who knows what's gonna happen. But

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Speaker 3: agree with ericson under DeVante Adams value is that he

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Speaker 3: in agreement that Kyle Williams still deserves to be a

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Speaker 3: top ten running back until further notice. Stop trying to

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Speaker 3: something else. You know what Sean McVay has done every

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Speaker 3: have done. They've drafted a Day three running back every

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Speaker 1: Like, this is the one that's gonna take the job.

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Speaker 3: No, he's not leave Kyra Williams alone.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you said before, they're paying him too. He

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Speaker 1: all right, Breese Hall Andrew Erks and you've got some

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Speaker 1: feelings on him. He is ECR fifteen, but you've got

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be a fantasy RB one on a team

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Speaker 2: and trade him.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm legitally asking you if they franchise him, like,

434
00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,200
Speaker 3: where would he fall? I'm assuming you drop him.

435
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,480
Speaker 2: He's I don't think he's gonna play for the Jets.

436
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:33,920
Speaker 2: I think he's been like, see.

437
00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,440
Speaker 1: You answer the question, I mean would hold out?

438
00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, wants to play for the New York Jets. I

439
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,439
Speaker 2: think that he's done. And what do the Jets have

440
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 2: to gain from franchise? Tagging him and then letting him

441
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,000
Speaker 2: sit out.

442
00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:51,359
Speaker 3: One of three talents anyway, continue, but I'm just curious.

443
00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,000
Speaker 3: I was just curious how much you would move him

444
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,160
Speaker 3: down if he got stuck with the Jets.

445
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,000
Speaker 2: So if he's on the Jets, he'd probably be around

446
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,600
Speaker 2: RB eighteen. Okay, probably right, because that's where finished last year.

447
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,240
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that this because the thing is he

448
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 2: had a thousand rushing yards for the first time in

449
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,200
Speaker 2: his career last year somehow. And the Jets offensive line

450
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 2: again good tackles, like the interior needs some work, but

451
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 2: they have so much cap space that I think the

452
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,520
Speaker 2: Jets offensive line is not really the issue. It's obviously

453
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 2: the quarterback play was horrendous last year, especially with Fields

454
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 2: and Tyrod and just Brady Cook just an absolute mess.

455
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,679
Speaker 2: But Paul we've seen a ceiling with him where he's

456
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,600
Speaker 2: been a top three fantasy running back before. And the

457
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 2: former offensive coordinator that was his coach in twenty twenty

458
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 2: three when he was Fantasy's RB two, well, that guy's

459
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 2: in Arizona. Now Arizona needs a running back because James

460
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,439
Speaker 2: Connor was gonna get cut. So I can think of

461
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 2: great landing spots such as Arizona, Kansas City, Houston, teams

462
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 2: that need running backs that you could drop Brees Hall in.

463
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 2: He's a three down superstar. We know what he can

464
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 2: do in the pass catching game. I think he has

465
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 2: the top five ceiling that he's already shown. So I

466
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 2: think he can be a fantasy RB one as long

467
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 2: as he's not on the New York Jets all right now.

468
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 1: A lot of people think that Jeremiah Love can be

469
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 1: a RB one right now because they've got him at

470
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 1: RB eleven overall. But you've got him a little bit

471
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 1: lower on RB fifteen, so you're taking a little bit

472
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: more of a conservative approach. Why is that we all

473
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 1: think that Love is a great talent. I understand landing

474
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,199
Speaker 1: spot has a lot to do with that. Is it

475
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 1: just a placeholder for landing spot or is this just

476
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: I've been burned by the rookie running backs one too

477
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: many times, and I don't want to get too excited

478
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:15,680
Speaker 1: too quickly.

479
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 2: It's really more of a placeholder spot. I don't think

480
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,719
Speaker 2: that we can confidently say, oh, he's gonna fish exactly

481
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 2: this when we don't know what team he's on. Right

482
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 2: you know, if Ashton genty goes to any other team

483
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: but the Raiders. That was just so bad in terms

484
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 2: of run blocking up front. Well, he probably has a

485
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: much better rookie season, maybe he's more efficient, But then

486
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: you could also look at it, well, maybe he doesn't

487
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: get as many touches on a different offense. So the

488
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: thing with Jeremiah Love, I kind of took this from

489
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: a wider lens, looking at what I do in terms

490
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: of rookie running backs taking in the first round, Like,

491
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 2: where is their average finish? It's RB eighteen, Like that's

492
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 2: historically where the rate has been. And if you look

493
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,479
Speaker 2: at last year genty and Hampton, where do you think

494
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: they both finished points per game? Genty rby seventeen, Hampton

495
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: RB sixteen. So it is kind of in that range

496
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: where Okay, I'm going to put him here based on

497
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: I know he's going to be a first round pick,

498
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 2: Like that's what I feel most confident about. But is

499
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: he going to have three hundred and fifty touches? It's

500
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: a top ten pick. I would presume that that would

501
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: be the plan for a player of his caliber, But

502
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, sim teams are looking at we like using

503
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: committee backfields a little bit more. We don't want to

504
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: give it because we want him to remain super super efficient.

505
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 2: Does it turn into a kimra willin Blake Korm situation.

506
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,959
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different ways where this can

507
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: shake out. And to have him at RB eleven, No,

508
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's ludicrous based on his talent profile,

509
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 2: but I think that, you know, we all get carried

510
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: away sometimes with oh I want to get the rookie

511
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 2: running back, when maybe the better bet is for him to,

512
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,239
Speaker 2: you know, have a so so rookie year and then

513
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 2: buy him in year two, like Ashton genty. So that's

514
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 2: kind of how I view Love again, someone that I

515
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: could definitely end up. He's going to move in the

516
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 2: rankings regardless when we figure out what team he's on.

517
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to share from an overarching standpoint

518
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: where these first round picks tend to typically finish and

519
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: RB eleven is probably a little higher on the end

520
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: of the spectrum.

521
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because the oddity this year Andrew in

522
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: this draft is that you have perennially good teams like

523
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: the Ravens and the Chiefs picking much higher than they

524
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: normally do. So if he ends up in a spot

525
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: on a team. I'm gonna say those teams specifically, but

526
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: any of the better teams that don't typically find themselves

527
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: picking in the top fifteen. That's very interesting because oftentimes

528
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: we find these really high end running back of the

529
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: be John Robinsons go to a bad team, Asha Genty.

530
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,959
Speaker 1: Obviously last year, you know, bad organizations, bad situations. There

531
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: were some really good organizations that had bad years. So

532
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: that's going to be a really interesting thing to try

533
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: to figure out our brains too.

534
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: Like I know, I mean, everybody and their brother is

535
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 3: mocking him to the Chiefs. I just don't see it because.

536
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: I think it's wishcasting Jake. I think we don't like

537
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: to see him here. I think it wouldn't be the

538
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: dumbest thing in the world, to be honest with you,

539
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: because at this stage in Mahomes's career, it would be

540
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: nice to take more pressure off of him, and that's

541
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: one thing that certainly would especially coming back from an injury.

542
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's the dumbest thing ever, but

543
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: I do agree with you. I think that's less I

544
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: would take the field over Jeremiah Love if you were

545
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: betting on it.

546
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: Well, so you're interested why the Chiefs might be looking

547
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: at maybe why there's a connection year, so they tried

548
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: to interview the Raiders running back coach who used to

549
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: be Notre Dames running back coach who coached Jeremiah Love

550
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: and engineering Price.

551
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: This is what we throw up, the shot of Charlie

552
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: and that's my point. They could take.

553
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: They could take Price in the second, maybe even the third.

554
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: So anyway, but I think the biggest takeaway here is everything.

555
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: So I would rank him higher just on assumption period

556
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: of who might take them, because I don't think it

557
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: can go back to Beijon Bjon being a disappointment as

558
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 3: the RB two that year in ADP was RB seven

559
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 3: slash eight depending on your league, and that was seen

560
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: as a massive disappointment. Yet he was still a top

561
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: ten running back in a time share because of Tyler Algier.

562
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: So I'd say seven to eight is fair on the

563
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: right team. The worst case scenario, I think is where

564
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 3: Erickson has him. But I wanted to bring up the Chiefs.

565
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys did because of one thing. If

566
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 3: he does go to the Chiefs, people are going to

567
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: draft him as like the third or fourth running back

568
00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: off the board.

569
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: And that will be the mistake.

570
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: Yes, will there's no way we'll stay levelheaded.

571
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: After we saw Clyde Edwards hili.

572
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: As a first round one O seven that year, that

573
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: was crazy to me.

574
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: That was that was so nuts.

575
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm sure when he gets drafted

576
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: by the Chiefs ninth overall.

577
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: Bro. When that happened, I was like, oh, cool, He's

578
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: getting Kie will be a really cool third round. It

579
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: was only because Williams decided to sit out for COVID.

580
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: That was the only reason that happened. Nuts. It was nuts,

581
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: but no again, hard out. If we get to that

582
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: Cam'skataboo ECR nineteen, Jake, you've got him a twenty six?

583
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: Is that because the style of play concerns.

584
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: It's everything like we're we have Harball coming in and

585
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: Harball might bell Callum or he might say, you know what,

586
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the same thing that worked here with

587
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: the mix of Tryurn Tracy. Also because we want to

588
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: keep Skataboo healthy because play style is not going to change.

589
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: How many times do we have to do this with

590
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: Tebow and Cam Newton. I know threo's are quarterbacks, but

591
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: you could go down the list at any position you want,

592
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: you try to hammer in their head a different way

593
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: to play the game. And I mean Robert Griffin talks

594
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: about it still to this day on his podcast, how

595
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: he wishes he would have just started to slide more

596
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: and step out of bounds and even as somebody in

597
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: hindsight still didn't do it when he played. I don't

598
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 3: think you're gonna change Scataboo going head first, juggernaut into

599
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: everything he possibly can, because that's part of what makes

600
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: him so fun to watch and such a fun teammate

601
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: is because he gives legitimately, like there is no such

602
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 3: thing as one hundred and ten percent, but the dude

603
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: gives two hundred percent because he's insane. So that's part

604
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 3: of my concern is that it's a timeshare split backfield.

605
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: He will be the lead Joe, you and I talked

606
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: about before last season, just like we called that he

607
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: was going to take over as the lead this year

608
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, and will be the lead next year.

609
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 3: But in front of him some other time shares. But

610
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: most of the running backs are clear leads, and I

611
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: think that's really why I have him as the rank

612
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: that I do.

613
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: All right, Closing out that tier at number twenty five

614
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: is Jalen Warren, and then Tier five begins Kalmanang Guy

615
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: twenty six from Andre Stevenson, Rico, Dwtele Blake korm at

616
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: twenty nine, Tony Power to thirty Facial toot In to

617
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: thirty one, chew A Hubbard at thirty two, Woody Marks,

618
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: James Connor, Aaron Jones, and then at thirty six to

619
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: Cory Krossky Merritt, Andrew Erickson. You know, one of my

620
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: favorite things is kaman On Guy. He's RB twenty seven,

621
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: but you've got him all the way that thirty eight.

622
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: Why you doing I, dude, dirty?

623
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not that I don't know where to rank him.

624
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: That's why I really can't say anything negative about Kaylem

625
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: and this tear this tea honestly not a bad number,

626
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: not a bad number because when I look at this tier,

627
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: I see there are a lot of different scenarios and

628
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: levers and things that I can pull where I can

629
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: Movemnong Guy up, because oh well, this is gonna happen

630
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: to the veterans in this group between Aaron Jones, James Connor,

631
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: you know, Chuba Hubber, what's gonna happen with him. I

632
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: guess I'm having trouble pinpointing exactly where I want him

633
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: because he's not the starter for his his team. But

634
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 2: maybe I'm getting hung up on that a little bit

635
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: when it's DeAndre Swift, just because credit to Kyle Manonguy

636
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: and how excellent he was last year. Again, RB twenty

637
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: nine overall, doesn't ever fumble, never fumbled to college, didn't

638
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: fumble this year. In his first year, the NFL sixth

639
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: overall and rushing success rate he averaged in terms of

640
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: crossing the line of scrimmage ten point seven miles per hour,

641
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: third fastest mark among running backs at least one hundred

642
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: carries per next Gen stats. Look, he fits the offense

643
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: really well. Ben Johnson trusts him, Ben Johnson loves him.

644
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: We know what he can do if Swift were to

645
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: get banged up. It's really I guess how I feel

646
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: about DeAndre Swift. That's kind of holding me back. I

647
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: was trying to fade DeAndre Swift into the sun last year,

648
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: and at the beginning of the year it looked like

649
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: a good call, but then he caught fire. Both him

650
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: and Manungui were super efficient running backs. If Swift is

651
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: coming back, though, how high can I move Manongai? If

652
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: Swift is still going to kind of be the one

653
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: A to the one B. So I don't know if

654
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: you guys have more bullish takes on woman.

655
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: Guys to take over the backfield? Well, is that that

656
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: what we need to get Swift is get on.

657
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: Swift is owed eight point eight and they can cut

658
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: him for basically one Is he gonna get cut like that? Say,

659
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: save over seven million if they cut him. I think

660
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: this is one of those wait and sees right now.

661
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: I think twenty six is correct because I think he's

662
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: a RB three. He's a flex RB right now.

663
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: If that cut happens and he becomes the guy or

664
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, they bring in somebody else to handle

665
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: some of those third down duties, but he's more of

666
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: the first and second guy, and he's the goal line

667
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: guy too. Look, Monang guy's is a tough runner like

668
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: he's just kind of a little bit more I think

669
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: Chicago style like that you're gonna have to get, you know,

670
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: we'll get the Chicago Stallle pizza, gain the New York

671
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: Stitle pizza. He's the deep dish running back. You could

672
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: quote me on that, bro, he's the deep dish running back.

673
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: You can quote me on that one, and you can

674
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: clip this for social media because that's what Kyle manang

675
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: guy is. So I think eventually, over time he becomes

676
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: a really interesting asset, and I want him to stay

677
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: in this range personally, I don't want him to start

678
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: getting into that mid RB two because to Andrew's credit,

679
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure exactly how good it will be,

680
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: but I think it's a value where it currently is.

681
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: We'll see how it travels over the offseason. Here, let's

682
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: go to one of Jake's guys too. Jake, you have

683
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard here at thirty eight, but his ECR is

684
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Now, Tony Pollard finished the year pretty strong,

685
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: bridle off the bunch one hundred yard games. I know

686
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: he had some incentives, so motivation is key, But why

687
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: so down on him this year?

688
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: Because just like Happy his finger paintings, they aren't any good,

689
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: He's not any good Like It's just he's Tony Pollard's

690
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: replacement level and a worst I was gonna say, let's say,

691
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: best case Dabele's coming in.

692
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: What does Dabel do?

693
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: He splits the hell out of that backfield, Like if

694
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: it's not Taja sprut Spears, which by the way, started

695
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: to finally look like Taja Spears that we had hoped

696
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: to see and flash towards the end of the season

697
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: as well before he got hurt. Like if that's a

698
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: healthy situation. What if he's the Tracy and Pollard's a

699
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: Devin Singletary, Like that's just where I'm already playing this

700
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: let alone. What if Dabel comes in with solid says,

701
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: you know what, We're actually gonna go into free agency

702
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: and forget Tony Pollard.

703
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: He's gonna now be the.

704
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: Devin Singletary to somebody else. I just I don't want

705
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 3: a piece at Tony Pollard. I just feel like there's

706
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: nothing but downside. At this point, he's been a volume

707
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: running back. Without the volume, he's been no more as

708
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: an RB three. And that's similar to what Andrew was

709
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: saying about CMC, is that when he doesn't get seventy

710
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: percent of the touches, which is what put him inside

711
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: the top ten, I don't almost any given week he

712
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: always finishes an RB three. That's just who he is,

713
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: and that's why I'm saying this. That's it's kind of

714
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: a statement.

715
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: Ericson Ramandre Stevenson obviously a debatable player two because we

716
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: saw how that backfield New England worked this year. He's

717
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: ECR of twenty from jam all the way at thirty four. Well,

718
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, look, look, if you want to see more

719
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: on that, we had a great show again the sophomore

720
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: seasons of all the rookies from last year. Lakwan Jones

721
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: from NFL, myself and Jake had a great conversation about

722
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: all these guys. But obviously, Andrew, you're baking in that.

723
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: Trayvon has a much bigger workload from this ranking.

724
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: He has to right why. I don't think that.

725
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: I want him to. He has to. I don't know

726
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: if that's the answer. I'm not sure yet. Sell me

727
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: on it. This is your chance.

728
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: Well, here's the selling point. The guy that a lot

729
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: of people compared Henderson to coming out was Jamier Gibbs.

730
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 2: What it was, Jamior Gigs rookie season like the first name.

731
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Dave Montgomery is like the first game. A lot of

732
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: Dave Montgomery was really annoying. And not to say that

733
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: this backfield is the same, because it's not. But I

734
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 2: don't think that they go into year two, thinking yep,

735
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna run remindre back, We're gonna have him play

736
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: seventy percent of the snaps. Henderson's going to be used

737
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: seldom in terms of packages. We're never gonna use him

738
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: on passing downs. I don't think that's the case. We

739
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: see a lot of young running backs take steps forward

740
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: in terms of their pass protection, and especially a guy

741
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: like Henderson who was herald like as a prospect coming out. Oh,

742
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: this guy is so great pass protection, which couldn't have

743
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: been farther from the truth during his first NFL season,

744
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: where that was part that he struggled and was reason

745
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: why Stevenson was playing so many snaps. So I do

746
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: think too that the playoffs in particular, we know that

747
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily always carry over. Again, this is wir

748
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: and go home, very different mindset versus Okay, we have

749
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: an eighteen or seventeen game season to prepare for. If

750
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: you look at just the last eight games between Henderson

751
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: and Stevenson, it was closer to a fifty to fifty

752
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: split in terms of the total opportunities. Henderson was at

753
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: forty six percent, Stevenson was at fifty four percent. So

754
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: that's taking out Stevenson missed some time in the middle

755
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: of the season. He came back for Week thirteen for

756
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: that Giants game. So the last eight teams that they

757
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: played together, it was much closer to a fifty to

758
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: fifty split. But if you look at just the playoffs,

759
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: well it was Stevenson blowing Henderson out of the water essentially,

760
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: So I think that maybe this ranking is attached too

761
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: much to that in particular, especially like in the championship

762
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: game when Henderson barely played. Look James White, that's another

763
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: player that Josh McDaniels coach as a pass catcher. He

764
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: saw his role grow outside of being a rookie, and

765
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: I think that we're gonna see more of Henderson. I

766
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: think that ultimately that's going to hurt Stevens and not

767
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: just said Stevens is going to totally go away because

768
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm not in love with the Henderson ECR rank either.

769
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: Like I think that these guys are really tough to pinpoint.

770
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: But again, when push comes to s Sheef, I got

771
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: to pick up Patriots running back that could take over

772
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: eventually at some point. I mean it's probably going to

773
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: be it'd probably be treviaon Henderson so that's at least

774
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: my take and why I'm a little bit lower on Stevenson.

775
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: All right, Jake, let's talk about Ricco Dwell for a second.

776
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Here a guy that is right now ECR twenty eight,

777
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: and you've got him at thirty three and beginning to

778
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: throw Tuba into the conversation too. I mean both the

779
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: Carolina guys, because I know you had some feelings about

780
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: both of them from last year into this year. Chewba

781
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: Hubbard ECR thirty two. You've got him all the way

782
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: forty two. So walk me through your takes on those

783
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: two guys real quick.

784
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: And I don't think either of him are their answer

785
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: for anybody. And I know Rico Daddell's upset the fact

786
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: that he went off in those two games and he

787
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: looked great, and he looked better than Hubbard at times,

788
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: which is part of the reason for Hubbard is tying

789
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: than the testament to that fact that they gave him

790
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: that contract. But at this point it's a little different

791
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: than Karl and Williams with the situation their team and

792
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: like how they structured everything like that. But point being

793
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: is Hubbard didn't look good. He was outplayed by Daddell,

794
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: and then Daddle fadled it a little bit and we

795
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: saw the time sharing this back and forth, and it's

796
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: the Panthers being the Panthers, and really what it comes

797
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: down to, Daddle's leaving. He's not going back to the Panthers.

798
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: He said he wants to find a team that's going

799
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: to give him all the work. Well, you couldn't find

800
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 3: it the year before, coming off the season from the Cowboys,

801
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: who went to Travante Williams coming off seventeen injuries that

802
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: didn't look like himself for three years and gave him

803
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: half a million more.

804
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: What makes you think anybody's really going to do that?

805
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: And I like, I hope for him, like cool, maybe

806
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, prove me wrong, Dowdell. But at the same

807
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's going to happen. I think

808
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: he's walking into another time share, and he's walking into

809
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: timeshare that nobody's going to bring him in as the

810
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: lead option. Like nobody's out there these teams that need

811
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: running backs and there's not a ton Which is why

812
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: I brought up the fact that free agency is a

813
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: big threat to a lot of people because there's a

814
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: lot of overlap where people could all of a sudden

815
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: go from when we did our show a couple of

816
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: weeks ago from players that could be like, hey, we're

817
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: set right now Chase Brown, and all of a sudden

818
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: it's a timeshare situation where like love Wood, he marks

819
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: Andrew Erickson brought it up, said what if they bring

820
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 3: somebody else in because he was remarkably inefficient. So there's

821
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: a lot of threat to the jobs. And I just

822
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: don't think Daddell's stepping in anywhere to be the lead option.

823
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: And I think the Panthers are going to do two things.

824
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: They're going to see if Jonathan Brooks has anything left,

825
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: like because this is now two massive injuries, but maybe

826
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: he comes back from them, or they bring somebody as

827
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: a significant threat. Because Hubbard, like I said, he just

828
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: faded last year and looked nothing like the Hubbard from

829
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 3: the U before. Maybe he gets some back on track.

830
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: And this is too disrespectful. And if Joe, I'll give

831
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: you the one that we should always do in fantasy too,

832
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: which was really telling about Javonte Williams and why he

833
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: was such a good value last year. Do what the

834
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: team tells you. If the Panthers spend this entire offseason

835
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: and don't address the backfield one. They're telling us they

836
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: think they can get some out of Brooks, but they're

837
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 3: also telling us that they think there's a bounce back

838
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 3: for Hubbard. And then this ranking is way too low.

839
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: That is fair enough, all right, real quick, Andrew, I

840
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: know you have some feelings wood He Marks. Is it

841
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: thirty three in this grouping here on ECR you've got

842
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: him all the way the forty four? Is that because

843
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: you think he's going to get replaced? And if so,

844
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: I know Fitzy and I want to replace him with

845
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: Mike Washington. That's the guy that Fitzy and I've been

846
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: talking about what a good fit for the Texans. Washington

847
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: would be a little bigger, stronger back. Is that what

848
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: you think? He just Woody Marx probably just gets replaced

849
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: in the draft.

850
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: They're going to add some type of backfield competition and

851
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: maybe put Marx more into the pass catching role. That

852
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: that's what he was looked at coming out as a

853
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: college prospect. Didn't really play that role in his first

854
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: year in the NFL, and he was brutally or as

855
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: Jake put, remarkably inefficient for Woody Marks again bottom ten

856
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: yards per carry, success rate, explosive runs EPA per rush,

857
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: basically any metric you look at. Advanced rushing metric, he

858
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: was in the bottom percentile last among all running backs

859
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: and miss tackles force per tent So that's the one

860
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: to highlight because yes, the offensive off of the Texans

861
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: was really bad. Nick Chubb's hand holding, Woody Marks and

862
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: a lot of these really bad rushing efficiency metrics. But

863
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: miss tackles forced like that's on the running back, like

864
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: you got to make a play and Woody Marks really

865
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: failed to do that. Worst running back and fantasy points

866
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: for sue expectation. He also had a lot of durability concerns.

867
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you look up in oh he's back in

868
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: blue medical ten just constantly. So whenever he was trying

869
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: to build momentum, it was really frustrating because he would

870
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: never take all of the opportunities he was getting and

871
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: really take advantage of it. He's a former day three pick,

872
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: round four, so he doesn't have draft capital to fall

873
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: back on. Oh, like we took this guy in round two,

874
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: we have to give him another year. That's not really

875
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: the case and the way that things are gonna shake

876
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: out with Joe Mixon. He's probably gonna get cut from

877
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: the Texan, so they just Nick Chubb's a free agent,

878
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: so they have to bring in somebody to compete with

879
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: Woody Mark. So I think best case scenario is like

880
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: they just bring in like the dustiest veteran. I mean,

881
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: they brought a Nick Chubb last year. If they do that,

882
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: like that's the best case scenario for Woody Marx. But

883
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't think that they go back into this season thinking, oh, yeah,

884
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: Woody Marks is going to be our bell coow. He

885
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: never had a five catch game, only had one hundred

886
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: yard rushing game and that came in the postseason, whereas

887
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: Juwar Jordan and his first game that he plays immediately

888
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: has one hundred rushing yards and five catches in the

889
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: first game he plays, it was against the Cardinals, So

890
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: what Woody Marks would have smash? But like I said,

891
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: he got injured in that game because I just don't

892
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: think that he's a bell cow.

893
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: All right, So running backs outside of the top thirty six,

894
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through the list because again,

895
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: these guys are all kind of in that RB four

896
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: ish kind of range. But if there's one guy that's

897
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: moving up for you higher than the ECR. I know, Jake,

898
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: you've circled Sean Tucker, so let's talk about him his

899
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: ECR sixty one, but you've got him at fifty five.

900
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, this just comes down to opportunity, assuming that as

901
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: of today, White's free agent and unlikely they bring him

902
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: back with what they have in Bucky Irving. And we've

903
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: seen from Shan Tucker and there's been hope for Shan

904
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: Tucker before, and we've seen Sean Tucker as the lead

905
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: on this team and also a time of share on

906
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: the upside that he brings in. Actually, I believe is

907
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: a better compliment to Bucky Irving than Rashad White ever

908
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: was stylistically because they differ unlike Rashad White and Bucky Irving.

909
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: There's a lot of talk about Irving with his injuries

910
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: coming back from now shoulder and the other injuries. Has

911
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: two injuries. We're assuming everything's going to be fine, We're hoping,

912
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 3: but all it takes is one more and we've seen

913
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: that Bucky Irving and hasn't exactly been a super picture

914
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: of health. So if he's Sean Tucker stays as like

915
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: another one where they don't address it, like just kind

916
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: of bring in a flyers, a third running back, and

917
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: he's the only backup essentially behind Bucky Irving. Honestly, fifty

918
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 3: five is too low, all right.

919
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Fair enough, and for you Andrew Eercks and Tyler Aljeer

920
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: also a little bit too low. He's forty one. But

921
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: you've got him all the way at twenty eight, which

922
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: means he's going to a good spot. He's going to

923
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: go to the Texans, or he's going to go to

924
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: the Broncos or somewhere there where he can make a

925
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: big impact.

926
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: My guy's going to get the bag. I think that

927
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 2: people are going to view him as a running back

928
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: with not a lot of tread on the tires.

929
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: Right.

930
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: He's been in a committee with b Jon Robinson for

931
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: the last three seasons. But don't forget Tyler Azier as

932
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: a rookie in twenty twenty two rush for over one

933
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 2: thousand yards as a fifth round pick, nearly five yards

934
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 2: per carry.

935
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: Trust me, I was there. I was all for it.

936
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: I loved Tyler as ye because it was him and

937
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: Corderyl Patterson and the Arthur Smith offense. But then the

938
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: next year they drafted b Jhon Robinson. Tyler Asier gets screwed.

939
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: It's not his fault. It wasn't necessarily a knack against

940
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: his type of talent. It just yeah, they just happened

941
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: to find the generational running back that they wanted instead,

942
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: and he's been a thorn to the side of Bijon

943
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: at some times this year, especially in the red zone.

944
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: So we know Falcons can't afford to get him starting

945
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: running back money because they have to sign b Jon

946
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: Robinson to a long term deal. So I don't think

947
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: they can justify paying starting running back money to two

948
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: different running backs. They'll probably replace Tyler as year with

949
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: either a cheaper veteran or somebody in the draft to

950
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: spell Beijeon at times. But I think Algier is going

951
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 2: to have a fair fair share of suitors in free agency,

952
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: and I think that he's a really talented guy. Science

953
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: fault that he's just been behind Vjon last three years.

954
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: All Right, There you have it. That's the debate right now.

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00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,719
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