WEBVTT - Breaking Out of the Blue Cocoon 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.720 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:20.000 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:26.720 you know, this year has given us a mix bad right, 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:31.080 as years do. There is never a year I think 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.400 that any of us can experience that we say every 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:38.480 single month was great, right. But I think that our 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:45.000 fears as this year comes to a close, are starting 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.440 to get the best of us. And I say this 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.840 to myself out loud as well as saying it to you, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:59.760 which is, we can only control what we can control, right. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.880 The rest is going to be up to you know, 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:09.360 God in the universe about how things pan out in 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.880 America in the upcoming year. What each of us can 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.840 do right if you have the ability donate money right 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:26.120 to down ballot candidates, Democrats, school board, city council, state legislatures, like, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:30.160 what we can do each of us get involved, right 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.600 if that means signing up people to registered to vote, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.640 checking on at least ten people in your network to 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.360 make sure that they are registered to vote and plan 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.200 on voting. Talk to them about their voting plan and 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.760 if they're like, I'm not voting for Biden, be like, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.480 so are you? Not going to vote for your state legislature, 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.400 your school board. Are you just going to sit this 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.440 one out completely because remind them right, You don't need 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.680 to lecture, but you can say, you know, Virginia wanted 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.480 to end institute a fifteen week abortion ban at the 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.280 hands of Governor Youngkin, and you know who blocked that, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.519 Democrats because they were able to turn the state legislature 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:16.840 blue Ohio. They tried to institute a constitutional ban on 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.600 abortion in that state. They didn't get it done. Why 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.600 because they turned the legislature blue and the people came 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:31.760 out and voted to knock down the republican's' draconian measures. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:38.000 What we do still matters, still matters, And so having 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.040 conversations with your friends, with your families, with your colleagues, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:48.720 donating money, volunteering, phone banking, going door to door, doing 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.040 anything and everything that is within your power to do 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.200 is what we can do. And the rest we gotta 0:02:55.280 --> 0:03:00.240 let go. I don't want us to overwork ourselves. I 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.520 don't want us to exhaust ourselves, but I want us 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:08.880 to think strategically about how we are using our network, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.240 our skills, our talents in order to fight for our democracy. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.280 That is what I'm asking of all of you, that 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.440 is the gift that we need to give ourselves this season, 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:28.919 is the ability, strength and clarity to continue fighting. As 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:33.040 my friend Rashad Robinson said, every election is in just 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.240 about trying to make progress and voting for somebody that 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.760 you want to have a damn beer with. Sometimes it 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:45.760 is about just holding on. Coming up my conversation with 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:51.680 my friend Jared Yate Sexton about what he is feeling 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.560 as we close out this year and we go into 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.400 a new one, and why he plans to spend some 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:05.560 time in the woods just getting grounded and preparing. And 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.800 that's what I think all of us need to be doing, 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.560 is figuring out the best ways that we are going 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:15.520 to prepare ourselves right, prepare ourselves to deal with the 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:20.600 onslaught that is going to be coming our way. You know, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.799 we weren't prepared in twenty sixteen. We got better prepared 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.600 in twenty twenty, but we were also dealing with a pandemic. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:31.279 So here we go again. You know, the battle rages on, 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.159 and I think that frankly, it always will because we 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.800 open the door to somebody like Donald Trump, to trump Ism, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:44.120 to Maga dum right, had we not, we wouldn't be here. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:52.000 But we did. So this conversation Jared and I really 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:57.760 go through what is needed, what we are doing, what 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:04.839 our hopes are and you know, frankly understanding that we 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.599 got to leave everything on the field in twenty twenty 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:12.320 four if we are to survive. That conversation is coming 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:18.719 up next, folks. You know that whenever I have the 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.800 opportunity to bring on this next guest. Jared y H. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:28.440 Sexton to WOKF Daily, I'm always thrilled author political analyst. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.760 If you have not read his book The Midnight Kingdom, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:35.159 The History of Power, Paranoia and the Coming Crisis, it 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.040 basically lays out you know where we are, where we're 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:44.880 going right now as a country. You are missing out. Jared, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.480 It's been a hell of a year in politics. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.720 It's been it's been like a broken mirror. It's been 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:59.120 a seven year situation shoved into one year. Is what's happened? 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.599 It feels, you know, I. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:04.680 Don't. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.320 I hate the idea of the new year beginning with 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.280 a you know, the flip of the calendar and all 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.400 of a sudden clean slate and everything is supposed to 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.600 be right. Because I said that if we actually followed nature, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.719 the new year wouldn't be until the spring. Nonetheless, as 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.320 we are looking back though, because that is what I 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.839 like to do in December, is kind of takes stock 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.760 of what has happened, what is transpired in my own life, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:36.080 but also politically, You're right, it is like we have 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:42.200 lived seven to eighteen years in one year. The beginning 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:47.160 of this administration is an absolute and total blur. And 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.920 I think that if it's a If it's a blur 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.200 for us whose job it is to pay attention, then 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.839 for the average American, they're lucky if they remember last week, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.560 let alone twenty twenty. And so as you are looking 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:06.080 back on twenty twenty three, what are some of the 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.320 things that have transpired that stick out to you that 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.080 like either we didn't cover enough or we covered ad nauseum. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.080 Well, I'll go ahead and start off in time. In 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.000 terms of time, it feels like we're living president years 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.200 each of us. You know, it's like Barack Obama gets 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.800 into office and you know, he is a spry young 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.800 man and he comes out and he's like a seasoned, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.840 you know, an older man. You know, I feel like 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.120 we're all dealing with that but I also, I say 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.120 that jokingly, but I don't mean that jokingly. I mean 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.240 that for real, because what has happened. You know, I 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.360 was saying there, I was putting together this new book 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.840 proposal and really looking at the last seven years, and 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.320 I realized, you know, twenty sixteen was a hell of 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.000 a year for a lot of different reasons. Yeah, Trump 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:58.040 years were hallacious years for a lot of different reasons. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.800 But if you actually start thinking about how those years 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.760 started a downward slope and you started picking up momentum, 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.480 it makes sense that these years feel longer, these years 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:15.080 feel wilder because things are picking up momentum. And one 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:16.800 of the things I think you and I and a 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.840 lot of other people have warned people about is that 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.280 things are changing, and they're changing in a hurry, like 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.240 the idea that there's I just it boggles my mind 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.960 that there are still people who believe that we are 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.760 sedentary and something isn't changing, and that culture isn't moving 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.560 and things aren't happening, and that we're not watching a 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:39.640 major transformation, because if you look at it, we are 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.240 in a weaponized society at this point. Our senses are 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:49.320 constantly being overwhelmed with violence, but also with weaponized abuse. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.240 We are being told consistently and if anyone listening this 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.320 has ever been in an abusive situation, I think they're 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.400 going to recognize what I'm about to say, because abusers 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.800 don't just be use. They abuse your idea of reality. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.560 They tell you that you are silly, They tell you 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.160 that you are overly sensitive, They tell you that what 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.320 your perception of what is going on isn't real. What 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.679 is actually occurring right now is an escalation of what 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.120 we've been dealing with over the past few years, and 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.040 it starts with everything from you know, I actually think, 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.920 weirdly enough, I think Elon Musk was undercovered this year. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.640 I actually think one of the richest men in the 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.800 world overtaking one of the major communication devices and turning 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.800 it into not just a white nationalist playland, but also 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.560 like one of the main ways to promote propaganda and 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.360 to basically we don't talk about it enough, Danielle. He 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.520 has access at Twitter to everybody's dms. On top of that, 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.920 he has access to people's Internet histories because of cookies 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.880 and algorithms and all of that. Like, we have actually 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.680 watched him turn himself into not just a person who 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:02.040 is interlocked with us to FI but also in every 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.839 other sphere in the world, the robber barons couldn't even 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:09.360 have dreamed of having this type of power. Meanwhile, look 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.400 around at at what has happened politically. We have a 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.000 president at this point that no one expects to really 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.360 do anything that's really going to push back on any 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.439 of this. Like when it came out the other day 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.520 that he was telling, you know, Republicans that he was 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:26.200 going to flirt around with like even harsher deportation immigration policies. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.439 What we actually realized was everybody looked around at each 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.319 other and they're like, are you surprised? Is there really 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.120 anything happening right now? Like we've been told, you know, Oh, 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.200 they're going to help us after Roe v. Wade. Oh 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.760 they're going to help us with voting in the South. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.520 Ask women who are dying because they can't get reproductive 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.880 care how they feel about it. Ask Black people in 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.520 the South how they feel about their voting rights. Right now, 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.120 it has moved into territory where it is accelerating to 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:56.920 the point where you're either exhausted or you're completely demoralized 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.240 and you're giving up and those are really the only 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.000 two ways to you are only like, oh my god, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.480 I feel like giving up or I have given up, 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.040 and you go back to the regular Americans. They are 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.000 so exhausted, they are so overworked that many of them 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.400 weren't even in the fight to begin with, and they 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.040 have no ability whatsoever to understand what the fight is. 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.280 It is. These are trying days, is what it is. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.080 And I think that is what I think. That's what 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.080 the story of twenty twenty three is that this is like, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:24.920 you know, the best of days, the worst of days. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.880 These are some of the worst of days, and unless 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.400 we do something about it, it's going to get what 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:28.959 even the worst. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.720 You know, when you give the analogy of the downward 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.559 slope right and you think about it where in winter 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.240 you think about skiing or snowboarding, and the acceleration that 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.520 picks up, like that image is really sticking with me, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:52.400 because you're right right, it was like, you know, twenty sixteen, 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.240 we were going up the mountain right. In a lot 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.640 of ways, we thought that we were going to continue 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.400 on with the extension and the expansion of progress with 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.000 a Clinton administration. Regardless of what you think about her, 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.640 it's sure as hell was not going to be what 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.840 we experienced under the Trump administration. And so we thought 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.520 that we were, you know, headed up to you know, 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.080 to the Precipice so that we could look out, look 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.840 at look at how far we've come. And instead we've 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:25.600 been kicked down. And as we in this descent, you know, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.160 not only do we want to keep our eyes closed, 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:33.080 but we can't, right because everything is speeding by us. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.160 Our rights are just going every which way that we look, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.280 and and we don't know how to slow ourselves down. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.959 And I think that the rate of exhaustion that we 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:49.400 have doesn't seem to be slow. And you know, I 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.720 could remember going on vacation, you know, and traveling around 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.680 and into other countries that had relatively unstable governments, and 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.920 you would look at the people and while they seem, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.400 you know, to to be happy, right because that was 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:10.520 their part of tourism, you could sense this level of 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.439 grief right if you were if you stayed around long enough, 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.200 you saw it in their eyes. Didn't matter if you 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.679 were in a Caribbean island, if you were in South America, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.400 you know, wherever you were, you get this sense. That's 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.040 how I feel about America, right, now that if you 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.600 look through the eyes of people, either you are a 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:35.000 worker that is just you're exhausted because you're working so hard. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.040 Your grocery card is filling up with less. But the 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.440 bill is this long. And when we're trying, as you 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.200 and I do, through our shows, through your writing, through 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.800 our speaking, to try and engage people in the political process, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.640 to say like, this is the fight of our lives, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.760 and they're like, I've been fighting all my life just 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.720 to keep my head above water. I find right now, Jared, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.280 that it is incredible hard to not it's not even 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:08.720 about exciting people, it's just about engaging them, right, because 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:13.680 they feel they're already stretched so far, and we're already 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.760 stretched so far because our job is to keep tabs 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.600 on everything that is bad and everything that's going wrong 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.480 and looking at all of the potential you know, in 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:28.680 the problem. I just how are we supposed to figure 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.480 out how to engage people in what we continue to 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.040 say is the most quote consequential election of our times 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.760 When we're looking at twenty twenty three and going oh god, damn, yep. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.840 Yeah, And I think I think you and I and 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.960 a lot of other people who are sort of cut 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:48.840 from the same cloth as us and who have been 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.160 this is a lonely lane that we're in. I want 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.760 to go ahead and say that because the past few 0:14:54.840 --> 0:15:01.080 years have been absolutely filthy with people who were who 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.800 realized there was a ton of money and power to 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.080 gain in saying to people, Hey, I know things are tough. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.600 I promise you there's a plan and you literally you 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.800 just have to believe it and you have to have 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:13.560 faith in it, you know, whether you call it blue 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.560 and on or whatever you want to call it. Right, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.080 there was a lot of that, and so a lot 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:23.320 of people, I think, we're sold on this idea that yeah, 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.120 this is hard, but guess what, it's easier than other 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:27.760 people are telling you it is. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:28.360 You know. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.680 It's it's almost like I think a lot about this 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.520 time that I was out in the woods and I 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.720 was hiking, and you know, it was like this ridiculous thing. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.280 I looked on paper and it was like, oh, four 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.120 mile hike. That's that's fine, I'll do a four mile hike. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.440 I got out four miles and then you forget you 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.720 got to come back four more miles. But also the 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.560 four more miles are uphill, you know what I mean? 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.840 And like you, you start to do it, and all 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.320 of a sudden something comes over into your mind and 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.120 it's like I might not be able to do this, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.640 you know, I might, And like this is literally like 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.200 people die in the woods, people get law and never 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.960 get found again in the woods, and all of a sudden, 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.520 like the magnitude of that starts to come over you. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.840 We're deep in the woods right now. We have not 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.920 even actually turned around in order to walk back out. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.400 And there's a problem in this because so many voices 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:23.240 are telling people. Don't listen to them. They're fearmongers. Everything's fine. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.760 Nancy Pelosi's on it, you know, like whoever it is now, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.760 it's Jack Smith, right, Jack Smith is the new character. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.880 He's gonna take care of it. Everything's fine. Donald Trump 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.520 isn't actually that bad. The Republicans aren't actually that bad. Meanwhile, 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.400 what is happening with our politics and culture and our 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.840 economics is that it's like we're out having these walls 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.760 come in, and as the walls come in and as 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.760 things get worse, like it breaks your spirit. And eventually 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.480 what happens in authoritarian society such as what you were 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.520 talking about. I used to think that in Nazi Germany 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.280 or Fascist Italy was trained on everybody. Do you know 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.600 what I mean? Like, at any given moment they said 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.080 or did the wrong thing, they were done it was 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.600 at the threat of death. But that's not true. All 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.399 the authoritarian societies need to do is kill some people, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.040 lock others up, and then hope that everybody else is 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.639 so exhausted that they will not answer the call. It 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.080 is so much easier to just shut your door and say, listen, 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.480 I don't care what you do outside this door. That's fine. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.240 I'll watch TV, I'll listen to my music, I'll have culture, 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.080 I'll go to restaurants. It's totally fine. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:33.359 You know. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.240 I don't need to even put on an armband. I 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.160 don't even need to march up and down the square. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.800 I don't need to join the party. I'll just let 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:44.040 what happens happens. We are now in a space where 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.080 as those walls are coming in. It's understandable that some 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.879 people are like, I can't do this, I'm done, and 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.040 I get that, But also that comes from a place 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.480 of privilege. The people who are saying that, yeah, not 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.160 people of color, they're not gay, they're not trans, they're 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:01.160 not women. These are people who can quite frankly are 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.439 are either white or privileged and probably live in cities 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.760 where this isn't touching them yet. And it is a 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.640 big it's it's a clusterfuck, is what it is. There's 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.520 no other way to put it. But at the meantime, 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.600 you you either kind of have a choice. You either 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.840 lay down in the forest and you say, okay, I can't, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.239 I can't make it, or you keep trudging forward and 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.320 you hope that eventually you reach the point where you 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.080 can find safety. And that's that. I mean that that 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.359 right now, that that that's the story of the time. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.600 Unfortunately, you know when I when I think about the 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:39.199 privileged person that you that you characterized, right, it's not 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.400 touching me yet, you know, like I can, I can 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.520 shut my door, I can change my algorithm. I can 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.679 quiet myself and distance myself from what is happening. I 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.280 want to take, for instance, what has happened recently with 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.840 the Supreme Court deciding to hear the mifipristone case, the 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.719 abortion pill. That is you, I think it's like eighty 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:07.000 percent of abortions in this country that them deciding to 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:12.880 take up this case to say that to basically here, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.720 one or two things are going to happen. They're going 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.920 to disallow mifipristone, which is to undermine the FDA, which 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.840 doesn't just hurt the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.359 in this country, but it's a system that is heavily 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:30.919 used globally, which will continue to chip away at faith 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:35.199 in agencies. Right, So they either do this with the 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.280 medication that has been on the market for roughly twenty 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:44.760 five years, which means that nothing is safe, and by 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.680 doing so, this doesn't just hurt the people that live 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:52.119 in southern states or the Midwestern areas where trigger laws 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.560 were already in place in the event that Roe v. 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.480 Wade was overturned. This is going to affect everyone. So 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:03.080 that blue bubble, that cocoon that it hasn't touched me 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:08.639 yet will touch you this year, or excuse me, in 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.880 twenty twenty four when the case is heard and we 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.879 learned the fate of this medication and basically the fate 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.760 of the Food and Drug Administration. And I wonder if 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:25.240 you think that it is literally going to take the 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:31.439 erosion of the illusion that we can remain comfortable in 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.960 certain pockets, and that's going to be enough. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.320 Yeah, and there's a lot to unpack with that, because 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.040 I think what you just touched on is something that 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:44.680 unfortunately is not discussed and doesn't actually get into discourse 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.640 from our country. I want to start with a couple 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:51.119 of things here. First things. First is historically you'll always 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.560 notice that a woman's right to reproductive rights like always 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:58.119 comes under fire, not just as authoritarian societies are taking off, 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.000 but also and this is this strange and it's probably 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.919 something that needs to be highlighted here. There are a 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.280 lot of problems in our system because of inequality that 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:11.240 need to be addressed. One of them is demographic collapse, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.879 which is the idea that people just aren't having that 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.720 many kids anymore because it's so expensive to have kids. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:21.159 Now most of the major Western countries, as neoliberalism is 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:25.320 rolled in and made everything prohibitively expensive, suddenly you look 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.680 up in the boomers are either retiring or dying. Nobody's 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.359 behind them because nobody can afford to buy houses or 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:36.600 have families. You could address this by I don't know, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:41.159 making healthcare more readily available. You could go ahead and 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.480 take care of the fact that corporations have a stranglehold 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.359 over all prices, or you could just go ahead and 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.119 take away a woman's right to choose, which is what 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.600 is happening right now, and by the way, is going 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.239 to continue to happen. And as that's also happening, the 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.439 entire progress of the twentieth century is being done away 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.840 by the exact same peace people that that progress had 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.720 to be wrenched out of their hands. We have another 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.880 generation of robber barons guests who funded the fascists who 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.520 tried to oppose the New Deal and all of the 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.800 civil rights, the feminist movement, gay rights. The same people 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.080 who oppose that are now the ones who are wiping 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.600 the slate clean. What you just say is exactly right. 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.080 We need to tell people first of all, and I 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:25.919 want to go ahead and put a little asterisk by this. 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.640 People should care about it because other people are being affected, 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.439 right that straight up like people should have empathy and solidarity. 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.960 They should care that people in Red States and elsewhere 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.360 are being treated like this. But meanwhile, if people need 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.280 self interest, here's what's happening. Eventually, they're going to get 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:43.919 rid of this stuff. They're going to get rid of 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:47.440 any medications or any devices that a woman could possibly 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:51.000 use Yeah, there are still going to be those medications 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.240 and devices for people who can afford them. And guess 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.240 what happens whenever they get wiped out and they get 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.120 made quote unquote illegal. The price goes up and up 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.359 and up and up. And if you are a middle 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.480 class person who is barely making it in Brooklyn or 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.359 barely making it in Los Angeles, you might not be 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.240 able to afford that in the future on the black market. 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.680 When you look at how all of this is happening, 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.439 all I can tell you is this, Eventually the knock 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:19.800 comes on your door or not. And listen, the people 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.680 who listen to my podcast, the people who listen to 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.720 your podcast, no knock against them. But you are not 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.000 part of the one percent of the people who are 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:31.040 safe from this and who are pulling the strings on 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.199 this thing. You are part of the ninety nine percent. 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.600 And eventually someone is going to knock on your door. 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:38.719 And you need to understand that, like, giving into these 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:40.400 people is only going to make it worse, and it's 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:41.600 only going to accelerate it. 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.919 You know. And I love this because everything that you're saying, 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.359 because the fact is that what is happening. In the 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.560 comment section of this show. On my social media is 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:56.480