1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, this year has given us a mix bad right, 4 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: as years do. There is never a year I think 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: that any of us can experience that we say every 6 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: single month was great, right. But I think that our 7 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: fears as this year comes to a close, are starting 8 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: to get the best of us. And I say this 9 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: to myself out loud as well as saying it to you, 10 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: which is, we can only control what we can control, right. 11 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: The rest is going to be up to you know, 12 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: God in the universe about how things pan out in 13 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: America in the upcoming year. What each of us can 14 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: do right if you have the ability donate money right 15 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: to down ballot candidates, Democrats, school board, city council, state legislatures, like, 16 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: what we can do each of us get involved, right 17 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: if that means signing up people to registered to vote, 18 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: checking on at least ten people in your network to 19 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: make sure that they are registered to vote and plan 20 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: on voting. Talk to them about their voting plan and 21 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: if they're like, I'm not voting for Biden, be like, 22 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: so are you? Not going to vote for your state legislature, 23 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: your school board. Are you just going to sit this 24 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: one out completely because remind them right, You don't need 25 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: to lecture, but you can say, you know, Virginia wanted 26 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: to end institute a fifteen week abortion ban at the 27 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: hands of Governor Youngkin, and you know who blocked that, 28 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: Democrats because they were able to turn the state legislature 29 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: blue Ohio. They tried to institute a constitutional ban on 30 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: abortion in that state. They didn't get it done. Why 31 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: because they turned the legislature blue and the people came 32 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: out and voted to knock down the republican's' draconian measures. 33 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: What we do still matters, still matters, And so having 34 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: conversations with your friends, with your families, with your colleagues, 35 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: donating money, volunteering, phone banking, going door to door, doing 36 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: anything and everything that is within your power to do 37 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: is what we can do. And the rest we gotta 38 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: let go. I don't want us to overwork ourselves. I 39 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: don't want us to exhaust ourselves, but I want us 40 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: to think strategically about how we are using our network, 41 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: our skills, our talents in order to fight for our democracy. 42 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: That is what I'm asking of all of you, that 43 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: is the gift that we need to give ourselves this season, 44 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: is the ability, strength and clarity to continue fighting. As 45 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: my friend Rashad Robinson said, every election is in just 46 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: about trying to make progress and voting for somebody that 47 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: you want to have a damn beer with. Sometimes it 48 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: is about just holding on. Coming up my conversation with 49 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: my friend Jared Yate Sexton about what he is feeling 50 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: as we close out this year and we go into 51 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: a new one, and why he plans to spend some 52 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: time in the woods just getting grounded and preparing. And 53 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: that's what I think all of us need to be doing, 54 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: is figuring out the best ways that we are going 55 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: to prepare ourselves right, prepare ourselves to deal with the 56 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: onslaught that is going to be coming our way. You know, 57 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: we weren't prepared in twenty sixteen. We got better prepared 58 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, but we were also dealing with a pandemic. 59 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: So here we go again. You know, the battle rages on, 60 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: and I think that frankly, it always will because we 61 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: open the door to somebody like Donald Trump, to trump Ism, 62 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: to Maga dum right, had we not, we wouldn't be here. 63 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: But we did. So this conversation Jared and I really 64 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: go through what is needed, what we are doing, what 65 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: our hopes are and you know, frankly understanding that we 66 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: got to leave everything on the field in twenty twenty 67 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: four if we are to survive. That conversation is coming 68 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: up next, folks. You know that whenever I have the 69 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to bring on this next guest. Jared y H. 70 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: Sexton to WOKF Daily, I'm always thrilled author political analyst. 71 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: If you have not read his book The Midnight Kingdom, 72 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: The History of Power, Paranoia and the Coming Crisis, it 73 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: basically lays out you know where we are, where we're 74 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: going right now as a country. You are missing out. Jared, 75 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: It's been a hell of a year in politics. 76 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: It's been it's been like a broken mirror. It's been 77 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: a seven year situation shoved into one year. Is what's happened? 78 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: It feels, you know, I. 79 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: Don't. 80 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: I hate the idea of the new year beginning with 81 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: a you know, the flip of the calendar and all 82 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden clean slate and everything is supposed to 83 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: be right. Because I said that if we actually followed nature, 84 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: the new year wouldn't be until the spring. Nonetheless, as 85 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: we are looking back though, because that is what I 86 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: like to do in December, is kind of takes stock 87 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: of what has happened, what is transpired in my own life, 88 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: but also politically, You're right, it is like we have 89 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: lived seven to eighteen years in one year. The beginning 90 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: of this administration is an absolute and total blur. And 91 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: I think that if it's a If it's a blur 92 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: for us whose job it is to pay attention, then 93 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: for the average American, they're lucky if they remember last week, 94 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: let alone twenty twenty. And so as you are looking 95 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: back on twenty twenty three, what are some of the 96 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: things that have transpired that stick out to you that 97 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: like either we didn't cover enough or we covered ad nauseum. 98 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'll go ahead and start off in time. In 99 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: terms of time, it feels like we're living president years 100 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: each of us. You know, it's like Barack Obama gets 101 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: into office and you know, he is a spry young 102 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: man and he comes out and he's like a seasoned, 103 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: you know, an older man. You know, I feel like 104 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: we're all dealing with that but I also, I say 105 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: that jokingly, but I don't mean that jokingly. I mean 106 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: that for real, because what has happened. You know, I 107 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: was saying there, I was putting together this new book 108 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: proposal and really looking at the last seven years, and 109 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: I realized, you know, twenty sixteen was a hell of 110 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: a year for a lot of different reasons. Yeah, Trump 111 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: years were hallacious years for a lot of different reasons. 112 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: But if you actually start thinking about how those years 113 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: started a downward slope and you started picking up momentum, 114 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: it makes sense that these years feel longer, these years 115 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: feel wilder because things are picking up momentum. And one 116 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: of the things I think you and I and a 117 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: lot of other people have warned people about is that 118 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: things are changing, and they're changing in a hurry, like 119 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: the idea that there's I just it boggles my mind 120 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: that there are still people who believe that we are 121 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: sedentary and something isn't changing, and that culture isn't moving 122 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: and things aren't happening, and that we're not watching a 123 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: major transformation, because if you look at it, we are 124 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: in a weaponized society at this point. Our senses are 125 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: constantly being overwhelmed with violence, but also with weaponized abuse. 126 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: We are being told consistently and if anyone listening this 127 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: has ever been in an abusive situation, I think they're 128 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: going to recognize what I'm about to say, because abusers 129 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: don't just be use. They abuse your idea of reality. 130 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: They tell you that you are silly, They tell you 131 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: that you are overly sensitive, They tell you that what 132 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: your perception of what is going on isn't real. What 133 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 2: is actually occurring right now is an escalation of what 134 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: we've been dealing with over the past few years, and 135 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: it starts with everything from you know, I actually think, 136 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: weirdly enough, I think Elon Musk was undercovered this year. 137 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: I actually think one of the richest men in the 138 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: world overtaking one of the major communication devices and turning 139 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: it into not just a white nationalist playland, but also 140 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: like one of the main ways to promote propaganda and 141 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: to basically we don't talk about it enough, Danielle. He 142 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: has access at Twitter to everybody's dms. On top of that, 143 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: he has access to people's Internet histories because of cookies 144 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: and algorithms and all of that. Like, we have actually 145 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: watched him turn himself into not just a person who 146 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: is interlocked with us to FI but also in every 147 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: other sphere in the world, the robber barons couldn't even 148 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: have dreamed of having this type of power. Meanwhile, look 149 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: around at at what has happened politically. We have a 150 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: president at this point that no one expects to really 151 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: do anything that's really going to push back on any 152 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: of this. Like when it came out the other day 153 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: that he was telling, you know, Republicans that he was 154 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: going to flirt around with like even harsher deportation immigration policies. 155 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: What we actually realized was everybody looked around at each 156 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: other and they're like, are you surprised? Is there really 157 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: anything happening right now? Like we've been told, you know, Oh, 158 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: they're going to help us after Roe v. Wade. Oh 159 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: they're going to help us with voting in the South. 160 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: Ask women who are dying because they can't get reproductive 161 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: care how they feel about it. Ask Black people in 162 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: the South how they feel about their voting rights. Right now, 163 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: it has moved into territory where it is accelerating to 164 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: the point where you're either exhausted or you're completely demoralized 165 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: and you're giving up and those are really the only 166 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: two ways to you are only like, oh my god, 167 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: I feel like giving up or I have given up, 168 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: and you go back to the regular Americans. They are 169 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: so exhausted, they are so overworked that many of them 170 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: weren't even in the fight to begin with, and they 171 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: have no ability whatsoever to understand what the fight is. 172 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: It is. These are trying days, is what it is. 173 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: And I think that is what I think. That's what 174 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: the story of twenty twenty three is that this is like, 175 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: you know, the best of days, the worst of days. 176 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: These are some of the worst of days, and unless 177 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: we do something about it, it's going to get what 178 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 2: even the worst. 179 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: You know, when you give the analogy of the downward 180 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: slope right and you think about it where in winter 181 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: you think about skiing or snowboarding, and the acceleration that 182 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: picks up, like that image is really sticking with me, 183 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: because you're right right, it was like, you know, twenty sixteen, 184 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: we were going up the mountain right. In a lot 185 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: of ways, we thought that we were going to continue 186 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: on with the extension and the expansion of progress with 187 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: a Clinton administration. Regardless of what you think about her, 188 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: it's sure as hell was not going to be what 189 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: we experienced under the Trump administration. And so we thought 190 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: that we were, you know, headed up to you know, 191 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: to the Precipice so that we could look out, look 192 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: at look at how far we've come. And instead we've 193 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: been kicked down. And as we in this descent, you know, 194 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: not only do we want to keep our eyes closed, 195 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: but we can't, right because everything is speeding by us. 196 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: Our rights are just going every which way that we look, 197 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: and and we don't know how to slow ourselves down. 198 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: And I think that the rate of exhaustion that we 199 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: have doesn't seem to be slow. And you know, I 200 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: could remember going on vacation, you know, and traveling around 201 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: and into other countries that had relatively unstable governments, and 202 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: you would look at the people and while they seem, 203 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: you know, to to be happy, right because that was 204 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: their part of tourism, you could sense this level of 205 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: grief right if you were if you stayed around long enough, 206 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: you saw it in their eyes. Didn't matter if you 207 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: were in a Caribbean island, if you were in South America, 208 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, wherever you were, you get this sense. That's 209 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: how I feel about America, right, now that if you 210 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: look through the eyes of people, either you are a 211 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: worker that is just you're exhausted because you're working so hard. 212 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: Your grocery card is filling up with less. But the 213 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: bill is this long. And when we're trying, as you 214 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: and I do, through our shows, through your writing, through 215 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: our speaking, to try and engage people in the political process, 216 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: to say like, this is the fight of our lives, 217 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: and they're like, I've been fighting all my life just 218 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: to keep my head above water. I find right now, Jared, 219 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: that it is incredible hard to not it's not even 220 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: about exciting people, it's just about engaging them, right, because 221 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: they feel they're already stretched so far, and we're already 222 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: stretched so far because our job is to keep tabs 223 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: on everything that is bad and everything that's going wrong 224 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: and looking at all of the potential you know, in 225 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: the problem. I just how are we supposed to figure 226 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: out how to engage people in what we continue to 227 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: say is the most quote consequential election of our times 228 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: When we're looking at twenty twenty three and going oh god, damn, yep. 229 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think you and I and 230 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: a lot of other people who are sort of cut 231 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: from the same cloth as us and who have been 232 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: this is a lonely lane that we're in. I want 233 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: to go ahead and say that because the past few 234 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: years have been absolutely filthy with people who were who 235 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: realized there was a ton of money and power to 236 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: gain in saying to people, Hey, I know things are tough. 237 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: I promise you there's a plan and you literally you 238 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: just have to believe it and you have to have 239 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: faith in it, you know, whether you call it blue 240 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: and on or whatever you want to call it. Right, 241 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: there was a lot of that, and so a lot 242 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: of people, I think, we're sold on this idea that yeah, 243 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: this is hard, but guess what, it's easier than other 244 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: people are telling you it is. 245 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: You know. 246 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: It's it's almost like I think a lot about this 247 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: time that I was out in the woods and I 248 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: was hiking, and you know, it was like this ridiculous thing. 249 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: I looked on paper and it was like, oh, four 250 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: mile hike. That's that's fine, I'll do a four mile hike. 251 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: I got out four miles and then you forget you 252 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: got to come back four more miles. But also the 253 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: four more miles are uphill, you know what I mean? 254 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: And like you, you start to do it, and all 255 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: of a sudden something comes over into your mind and 256 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: it's like I might not be able to do this, 257 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: you know, I might, And like this is literally like 258 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: people die in the woods, people get law and never 259 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: get found again in the woods, and all of a sudden, 260 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: like the magnitude of that starts to come over you. 261 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: We're deep in the woods right now. We have not 262 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: even actually turned around in order to walk back out. 263 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: And there's a problem in this because so many voices 264 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: are telling people. Don't listen to them. They're fearmongers. Everything's fine. 265 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi's on it, you know, like whoever it is now, 266 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: it's Jack Smith, right, Jack Smith is the new character. 267 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: He's gonna take care of it. Everything's fine. Donald Trump 268 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: isn't actually that bad. The Republicans aren't actually that bad. Meanwhile, 269 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: what is happening with our politics and culture and our 270 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: economics is that it's like we're out having these walls 271 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: come in, and as the walls come in and as 272 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: things get worse, like it breaks your spirit. And eventually 273 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: what happens in authoritarian society such as what you were 274 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: talking about. I used to think that in Nazi Germany 275 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: or Fascist Italy was trained on everybody. Do you know 276 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, at any given moment they said 277 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: or did the wrong thing, they were done it was 278 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: at the threat of death. But that's not true. All 279 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 2: the authoritarian societies need to do is kill some people, 280 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: lock others up, and then hope that everybody else is 281 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: so exhausted that they will not answer the call. It 282 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: is so much easier to just shut your door and say, listen, 283 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: I don't care what you do outside this door. That's fine. 284 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: I'll watch TV, I'll listen to my music, I'll have culture, 285 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: I'll go to restaurants. It's totally fine. 286 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: You know. 287 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: I don't need to even put on an armband. I 288 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: don't even need to march up and down the square. 289 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: I don't need to join the party. I'll just let 290 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: what happens happens. We are now in a space where 291 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: as those walls are coming in. It's understandable that some 292 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: people are like, I can't do this, I'm done, and 293 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: I get that, But also that comes from a place 294 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: of privilege. The people who are saying that, yeah, not 295 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 2: people of color, they're not gay, they're not trans, they're 296 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: not women. These are people who can quite frankly are 297 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 2: are either white or privileged and probably live in cities 298 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: where this isn't touching them yet. And it is a 299 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 2: big it's it's a clusterfuck, is what it is. There's 300 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: no other way to put it. But at the meantime, 301 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: you you either kind of have a choice. You either 302 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: lay down in the forest and you say, okay, I can't, 303 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 2: I can't make it, or you keep trudging forward and 304 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: you hope that eventually you reach the point where you 305 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: can find safety. And that's that. I mean that that 306 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: right now, that that that's the story of the time. 307 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you know when I when I think about the 308 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: privileged person that you that you characterized, right, it's not 309 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: touching me yet, you know, like I can, I can 310 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: shut my door, I can change my algorithm. I can 311 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: quiet myself and distance myself from what is happening. I 312 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: want to take, for instance, what has happened recently with 313 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court deciding to hear the mifipristone case, the 314 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 1: abortion pill. That is you, I think it's like eighty 315 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: percent of abortions in this country that them deciding to 316 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: take up this case to say that to basically here, 317 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: one or two things are going to happen. They're going 318 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: to disallow mifipristone, which is to undermine the FDA, which 319 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: doesn't just hurt the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration 320 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: in this country, but it's a system that is heavily 321 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: used globally, which will continue to chip away at faith 322 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: in agencies. Right, So they either do this with the 323 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: medication that has been on the market for roughly twenty 324 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: five years, which means that nothing is safe, and by 325 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: doing so, this doesn't just hurt the people that live 326 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: in southern states or the Midwestern areas where trigger laws 327 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: were already in place in the event that Roe v. 328 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: Wade was overturned. This is going to affect everyone. So 329 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: that blue bubble, that cocoon that it hasn't touched me 330 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: yet will touch you this year, or excuse me, in 331 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four when the case is heard and we 332 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: learned the fate of this medication and basically the fate 333 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: of the Food and Drug Administration. And I wonder if 334 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: you think that it is literally going to take the 335 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: erosion of the illusion that we can remain comfortable in 336 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: certain pockets, and that's going to be enough. 337 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot to unpack with that, because 338 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: I think what you just touched on is something that 339 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: unfortunately is not discussed and doesn't actually get into discourse 340 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: from our country. I want to start with a couple 341 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: of things here. First things. First is historically you'll always 342 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: notice that a woman's right to reproductive rights like always 343 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: comes under fire, not just as authoritarian societies are taking off, 344 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: but also and this is this strange and it's probably 345 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: something that needs to be highlighted here. There are a 346 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: lot of problems in our system because of inequality that 347 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: need to be addressed. One of them is demographic collapse, 348 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: which is the idea that people just aren't having that 349 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: many kids anymore because it's so expensive to have kids. 350 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 2: Now most of the major Western countries, as neoliberalism is 351 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: rolled in and made everything prohibitively expensive, suddenly you look 352 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: up in the boomers are either retiring or dying. Nobody's 353 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: behind them because nobody can afford to buy houses or 354 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: have families. You could address this by I don't know, 355 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: making healthcare more readily available. You could go ahead and 356 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: take care of the fact that corporations have a stranglehold 357 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: over all prices, or you could just go ahead and 358 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: take away a woman's right to choose, which is what 359 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: is happening right now, and by the way, is going 360 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 2: to continue to happen. And as that's also happening, the 361 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: entire progress of the twentieth century is being done away 362 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: by the exact same peace people that that progress had 363 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: to be wrenched out of their hands. We have another 364 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 2: generation of robber barons guests who funded the fascists who 365 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: tried to oppose the New Deal and all of the 366 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: civil rights, the feminist movement, gay rights. The same people 367 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: who oppose that are now the ones who are wiping 368 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: the slate clean. What you just say is exactly right. 369 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: We need to tell people first of all, and I 370 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: want to go ahead and put a little asterisk by this. 371 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 2: People should care about it because other people are being affected, 372 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 2: right that straight up like people should have empathy and solidarity. 373 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: They should care that people in Red States and elsewhere 374 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 2: are being treated like this. But meanwhile, if people need 375 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: self interest, here's what's happening. Eventually, they're going to get 376 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 2: rid of this stuff. They're going to get rid of 377 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: any medications or any devices that a woman could possibly 378 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: use Yeah, there are still going to be those medications 379 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: and devices for people who can afford them. And guess 380 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: what happens whenever they get wiped out and they get 381 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 2: made quote unquote illegal. The price goes up and up 382 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: and up and up. And if you are a middle 383 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: class person who is barely making it in Brooklyn or 384 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: barely making it in Los Angeles, you might not be 385 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: able to afford that in the future on the black market. 386 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: When you look at how all of this is happening, 387 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 2: all I can tell you is this, Eventually the knock 388 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: comes on your door or not. And listen, the people 389 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: who listen to my podcast, the people who listen to 390 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: your podcast, no knock against them. But you are not 391 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: part of the one percent of the people who are 392 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: safe from this and who are pulling the strings on 393 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: this thing. You are part of the ninety nine percent. 394 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: And eventually someone is going to knock on your door. 395 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 2: And you need to understand that, like, giving into these 396 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 2: people is only going to make it worse, and it's 397 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: only going to accelerate it. 398 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: You know. And I love this because everything that you're saying, 399 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: because the fact is that what is happening. In the 400 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: comment section of this show. On my social media is 401 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: a whole lot of people Jared telling me I'm not 402 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: voting for Biden. I'm gonna sit this one out. He's 403 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: not gonna get my vote. I'm going to vote with 404 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: my values. I can't support what he is doing in 405 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: Gaza and in Israel. So I'm out. And I first 406 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: of all try my best not to fight back and 407 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: forth with these people. I just continued trucking along and 408 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing and posting what I need to post. 409 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I can't ignore these mini 410 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 1: focus groups that happen in my comments section, which is 411 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: that I don't fucking understand how people live through the 412 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: Trump administration. Are living through this weaponized I mean criminal 413 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: ass Supreme Court are looking all around them and saying, 414 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: you know what, things can't get worse, Because I have 415 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: news for folks. They can always get worse. Right. We 416 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: have watched things get steadily worse over the years because 417 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: we thought that, oh, if Donald Trump is in an office, 418 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: then everything will go back to normal. Has everything gone 419 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: back to normal? No, it has not, because trump Ism 420 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: and Maga supremacy is a virus. So I just wonder 421 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: to you, like what does it look like when people 422 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: are saying, eleven months out from an election, not only 423 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: are they not excited about the Democratic candidate, but apparently 424 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: they've lost faith in their ability to secure democracy at all. 425 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I am very worried about twenty 426 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: twenty four for a variety of reasons. I mean, it 427 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: is it's a really hard thing to talk about right now. 428 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 2: We were sort of chatting about before we started recording. 429 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm going in the woods for a 430 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 2: little while to just sit with it because there's a 431 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: lot coming down the line. I want to, first of all, 432 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 2: say that the conversation you're talking about. I know I'm 433 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: going to shock everybody by saying this, but American discourse 434 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: is not nuanced. 435 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: It is just. 436 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: And I'm going to give this the most nuanced answer 437 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: that I possibly can, because I've sat with this, because 438 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: I think you and I are similar. I argue with 439 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: people in my brain all the time. But then I 440 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: have one hundred and forty characters or two hundred and 441 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: eighty characters to try and get it across. So I'll 442 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: use a silly example. I'll use another silly metaphor to 443 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: get there. Did you watch the Golden Bachelor. 444 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: By any chance, I stomached. 445 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: I watched it for all the wrong reasons. Okay, but 446 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: let me go ahead and tell your listener or something, 447 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: and this is it. While I was watching, I was like, 448 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: oh my god, there it is. Maybe there was something 449 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: about watching like a seventy plus year old man do 450 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 2: this stuff that made me think about our president. I 451 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: don't know. But so there was this date that the 452 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor was on. He went with his date. They 453 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: repelled down the side of a waterfall. It did not 454 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: make me feel comfortable. I don't want to repel down 455 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: the side of a waterfall. I'm good. Right when you're 456 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 2: repelling down the side of a waterfall, gravity is bringing 457 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 2: you down right like you are relying on gravity. You 458 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 2: have a choice of how fast you go down, Like 459 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: you can inch down, you know, or you can just 460 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: take big leaps and the next thing you know, you're 461 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 2: you're down there and let gravity take over. Donald Trump 462 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: as president is letting gravity take over. It is acceleration 463 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: and quite frankly not we can't. We don't have time 464 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: to get into all of it. There are things happening 465 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: in this country that as of the current situation, of 466 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: our representative government. It doesn't matter what party is in power, 467 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: that shit's going to keep happening because you know, corporate 468 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: and elite interests have taken over our government, they've taken 469 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: over our economy, and they have basic control over a 470 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: lot of this stuff is a lot of you know, theater, right. 471 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: That is true. And by the way, I think Joe 472 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: Biden much like Barack Obama, and people need to listen 473 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: to Barack Obama post presidency. He has told everybody who 474 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: will listen. I got in there, there were things I 475 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: could do. There were other things that president just does 476 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: not have the power to do anymore. So while I 477 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: look at this and I say, Joe Biden is the 478 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: break as you're going down the mountain, it's slowing it down. 479 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: Do I think that the Democratic Party is completely acting 480 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: in good faith? No? I do not. Do I think 481 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is going to save democracy out of 482 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: the kindness of their hearts and their principles, No, I 483 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 2: do not. Here's what I tell people, Joe Biden, I 484 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 2: have a real problem with this presidency in a lot 485 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: of different arenas, Like we don't have time to go 486 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: down the list because they are long. But I will 487 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: say that the destruction that is coming or could possibly come, 488 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: will come slower than if you let Donald Trump in there. 489 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: That is a complete and utter free fall. I'm dedicating myself. 490 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to choose the lesser of too bad options 491 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: in my heart, and then I'm gonna work my ass 492 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: off to try and either turn the Democratic Party into 493 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: a tool to fix this thing, or I'm gonna find 494 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: other places to put my energy. But going ahead and 495 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: voting for Donald Trump or not voting against him, I 496 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: think is madness right now. 497 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: I will leave it there today with you because I 498 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: want it to I want people to sit with it, 499 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: sit with that image of propelling down the mountain, down 500 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: the waterfall, and recognizing that we are you know, not 501 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: every election is about hope and progress. Some elections are 502 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: just about hanging the fuck on. And we are in 503 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: a situation where we are just need to hang the 504 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: fuck on to see if we can fix what has 505 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: been so broken. Right, But you don't get to fix 506 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: what's broken if who you elect in by virtue of 507 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: not voting comes in with a fucking sledgehammer like that 508 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: is just you know, then you can't and I don't 509 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: want us sitting around in a cell together saying, you know, well, 510 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: maybe I should have voted. 511 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: It's a choice, and that's the thing is like, I'm sorry, 512 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: but sometimes you make choices that aren't everything that you've 513 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: ever wanted. Yes, and sometimes you realize, oh, I'm buying 514 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: this limit of a car. I need a car for 515 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: two days. Can I buy this car and drive in 516 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: it for two days? And after that it can go 517 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: to shit like there does and the whole idea just 518 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: very quickly, just to wrap this up, the problem is 519 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: that Biden and the people who supported him in twenty 520 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 2: twenty told everybody we'll all go back to normal and 521 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: be fine. That's why we're in the situation we're in 522 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 2: right now, is because we were sold a false bill 523 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: of goods and people wanted to believe it and they 524 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: didn't want to do the hard work that was behind it, 525 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: which was you can't just go into a voting booth 526 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: every four years and expect that to be enough. You 527 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: just can't. 528 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, my friend jaredy Ate Sexton, I 529 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 1: really hope that we have the ability to continue this 530 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: conversation in twenty twenty four, because it is going to 531 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: be needed I appreciate you so so very much. 532 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I can't wait to take it on with you. 533 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: Here's to it. 534 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on Woke 535 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: a f as always, Power to the people and to 536 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fun.