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Speaker 3: point fifty. It's a surprisingly busy news day here at

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Speaker 3: One Bill's Drive, as the Bills have officially added three

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Speaker 3: players to their off season roster here today. We got

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Speaker 3: word about linebacker Dion Jones late yesterday afternoon. After we

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Speaker 3: free agent linebacker who played last season in Carolina was

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Speaker 3: going to sign here. That happened officially today, along with

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Speaker 3: the signings a free agent defensive end du Wayne Smoot

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Speaker 3: formerly of Jacksonville, and wide receiver Chase Claypool, who played

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Speaker 3: last season at the end Anyway for Miami playing nine

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Speaker 3: games down there. Both Jones and Claypool are players that

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Speaker 3: have been traded. Claypool has actually been traded twice, so

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Speaker 3: both know about trying to make fresh starts. Smoot meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: played his entire career for Jacksonville after they made him

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Speaker 3: a third round pick back in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: How did they grab you? Uh? Smoot is if he

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Speaker 2: comes back he now he was since twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: He's been struggling with an achilles. Last year was his

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Speaker 2: So he's coming back off inn achilles. If Smoot comes

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Speaker 2: back like he and plays like he normally did, dude's

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Speaker 2: a stud. I mean he can go. He is a

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Speaker 2: good player when he's one hundred percent. Now, you know,

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Speaker 2: the injury kind of hampered him. I think last year.

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Speaker 2: It happened in late twenty twenty two, so he's kind

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Speaker 2: last year. But man, when he's on, he is really on.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great sign. Chase Claypool has a

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Speaker 2: lot to prove to a lot of people. He's bounced

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Speaker 2: around the league for a reason. His lack of effort.

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Speaker 2: His attitude doesn't seem doesn't come across as a guy

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Speaker 2: So and that's why he's you know, this to be

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Speaker 2: his what fourth team that he has been on in

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Speaker 2: with Chase Claypool. Certainly he's got all the physical tools

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Speaker 2: and perhaps now he realizes this may be his last shot.

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Speaker 2: You know, couldn't get it in Pittsburgh, traded him to Chicago.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't get what they wanted out of him. They

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Speaker 2: traded him to Miami, and Miami just let him go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he I mean he barely factored into the

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Speaker 3: offense there. He only got seven targets in four games.

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Speaker 2: Right, and so he nine games. So he is a

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Speaker 2: guy who knows he was a free agent signed. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's not. He's not costing the Bills much at all,

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Speaker 2: if anything. And it's it's a total, you know, low risk,

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Speaker 2: supremely gifted physically.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean we'll see. He crushed the combine.

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Speaker 3: I mean he ran like a four four to two.

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Speaker 2: Test well, that's right. Always has.

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason, he just hasn't been able to stick

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Speaker 3: that's how good a player I think he is right,

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Speaker 3: And I remember the London game last year Bill's Jaguars.

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Speaker 3: I mean their entire defensive front was a problem, but

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Speaker 3: I mean that this is an edge setting defensive end

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Speaker 2: It's solid.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a solid player who, to Steve's point,

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Speaker 2: Right, he's a handful, Yeah, he is a handful, And

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Speaker 2: And and it's nice to have one of those guys

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Speaker 3: I mean, I could see him being in that shack

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Speaker 2: Maybe more. Who knows. That's the best. So these two signs,

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Speaker 2: both the Dwayne Smoot and Chase Claypool's signings are low risk,

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Speaker 2: they I think the Bills are doing this as a reaction.

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Speaker 2: They I mean remember last year. I mean AJ Klein

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little bit more juice. A little bit

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Speaker 2: more juice, and you know, have the experience that you know,

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Speaker 2: they've seen enough of the National Football League not to

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Speaker 3: Because Dion Jones has always been a high end athlete, right.

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Speaker 2: And now he's got nine years of experience behind him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he got his career went off like a

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Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen and he was like third. He was third

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason. But good veteran pickups after scouring free

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Speaker 3: after the Stefan Diggs trade, said we're not in September yet,

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: And I look, Claypool is an interesting case study. I'll

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that in just a little bit. Around

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Speaker 3: And there was a bigger wide receiver signing in free agency.

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Speaker 3: The Miami Dolphins have signed Odell Beckham junior. Thirty one

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Speaker 3: same for Miami next year. I mean, he's not going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think, well, he's at that point

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Speaker 2: I think he's probably okay with it. His contract is

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Speaker 2: to eight plus million bucks, but they're only giving him

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Speaker 2: nothing's going to be too big for him. It's a

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Speaker 2: smart signing, I think for Miami.

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Speaker 3: They had made the determination. I mean, they didn't need

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Speaker 3: No matter what. Well, they had eight opportunities, apparently to

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Speaker 3: earned the benefit of the doubt, and Wiggins has been

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Speaker 3: a great cover corner at Clemson. We know the NFL

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's becoming very quickly a thing. Teams trying to

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Speaker 2: If you get a guy, and I think you're right,

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Speaker 3: Like the Ravens did with Lamar at pick thirty two exactly.

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Speaker 2: If it's a wide out or a linebacker, an offensive line,

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Speaker 2: evaluate because you need one so badly you give him

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Speaker 2: every chance to fail. And the fifth year options in important.

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Speaker 2: And that's why all these teamly eight guys are trying

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Speaker 3: So we only saw two trades in the top ten

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Speaker 3: last week. The Tennessee Titans, however, had picked seven had

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Speaker 2: They didn't overthink it way. You and I knew that.

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Speaker 3: If they know how fortunate they were last year to

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, hold on a second, Like Connor

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Speaker 2: But they're like, maybe doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if they plug him in. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's great, but holy cow, like fifth round pick.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised either. But I think he's gonna

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Speaker 2: have to earn it because they got a lot of guys.

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Speaker 2: They've got some guys on this roster with some chops

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Speaker 2: McGovern is limited in his snaps that he's taken, there

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Speaker 3: That could work.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just a huff, you know, not a

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Speaker 3: very engaging reaction. And I understand. You know, the guy's

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Speaker 3: myself a Chase Claypool apologist. But sometimes a change of

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna this is a fun exercise I thought

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Speaker 3: going to give you Steve the statistics of Chase Claypool

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Speaker 3: for his career and another player who plays receiver and

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what draft class is this twenty twenty?

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Speaker 2: I gotta get in to the twenty twenty drafts. No

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Speaker 3: Why not because you're that's cheating. Yes, the producer said,

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Speaker 3: that's cheating. So here we go. Chase Claypool fifty eight

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Speaker 3: career games. Okay, okay, three hundred and fourteen career targets, right,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy five receptions, twenty two hundred and

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Speaker 3: sixty one yards, receiving average of twelve point nine, thirteen touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: His draft class mate sixty four career games, two hundred

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Speaker 3: twelve fewer, twenty seven hundred and thirty yards, about five

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Speaker 3: hundred more yards, a higher average of sixteen point seven

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Speaker 3: and twice as many touchdowns twenty seven, but a catch

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Speaker 3: rate lower fifty four point five percent.

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Speaker 2: Sixty four games. Yeah, what year did Gabe get drafted?

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty?

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Speaker 2: That's gotta be who that is? That is who? That is?

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Speaker 3: Very nicely done, Steve. Does that change your opinion of

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Speaker 3: Chase Claypool at all? Because those numbers are really comparable.

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Speaker 3: Our msgvorys are seeing him stacked side by side thanks

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Speaker 2: It does not to Hollander a little bit. Gabe was

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at those numbers, ye, Chase Claypool.

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Speaker 3: Chase Claypool first two seasons with Ben at the end

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Speaker 2: Couldn't throw it five yards down the fact, that's right.

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Speaker 3: So nine touchdowns Claypool's rookie year with Roethlisberger and then

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Speaker 3: he goes to Chicago. He's playing with Justin Fields in

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Speaker 3: seven targets in nine games. He was an afterthought. You

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Speaker 3: can't jump into an offense mid season. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: saw what happen here with Nahim Hines when he jumped

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Speaker 2: So do the Bills.

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Speaker 3: Do the Bills believe with Josh Allen he'll be able

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Speaker 3: to do more. I gotta believe that's what they're thinking.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think it has more to do with

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Speaker 2: I just think it has more to do with his physicality,

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Speaker 2: I think this is more an experiment of whether Chase

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Speaker 2: and it's low risk, very low rich. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're not doing anything, they're not. He's he's on a tryout.

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Speaker 2: care enough about it. And what will happen is he'll

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Speaker 2: realize how far down He'll realize, you know, this may

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Speaker 3: I just find it interesting that his numbers on three

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Speaker 3: well from Gabe Davis, who played with an All World

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that amazing that this guy is looking

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Speaker 2: Hey man, that's you. You reap what you say.

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Speaker 3: Circumstances is something I'll tell you. And it's not all circumstances,

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Speaker 2: But it's also and it's let's face it, Chase Claypool

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Speaker 2: he's been on four teams because when you look at

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Speaker 2: So he's probably well, it's no question he's been as

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Speaker 2: If you've been disappointed with Gabe Davis, he is, you know,

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Speaker 3: Pro's got a higher catch rate than him, so much higher, right, But.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of the same. So I'm I'm.

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Speaker 3: I just found the numbers interesting.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it sounds like and it feels

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but I just found found I found it supremely

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Speaker 1: interesting that a guy who could not have been in

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Speaker 1: Davis has numbers that are marginally better than Chase Claypool,

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Speaker 3: And then Tua, but he barely got on the field.

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Speaker 3: And his numbers are comparable that, like they're right in

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Speaker 2: It does give you glimmer of hope.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it says more about Chase

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really don't. I mean, it's a great comparison.

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Speaker 3: Exception of the touchdowns Davis has twice as Yain, but

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Speaker 2: Offensively, that's true. That's that's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it piqued my interest, and I don't know what

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Speaker 2: The same guy, which for Bill's fans, hey, i'll pay.

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Speaker 2: I'll give a veteran minimum contract to that guy. I'm

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Speaker 2: not giving him twelve million bucks. Absolutely, that's the difference. Yeah. Now, also,

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Speaker 2: nine guys in this draft that would be upgrades from

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Speaker 3: And then Ricky Peers, Ricky Pierson, Lad mcconky, THENGET, went Legett,

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Speaker 2: the numbers you just recited for these two guys, all

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Speaker 2: love Gabe. He was a great dude and a great

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Speaker 2: player for this team. But you always wanted more, right,

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Speaker 2: You wanted him to do more. You want to catch

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Speaker 2: every catch more balls, you know, make tougher catches, be

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Speaker 2: more of an option. Aw man, it's.

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Speaker 6: That is.

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Speaker 2: That is a study. Incredibly interesting, interesting case because we're

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Speaker 2: getting him, We're getting those numbers for virtually for free,

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Speaker 2: as cheap as you can get him, and Jacksonville's.

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Speaker 3: Paying thirteen year, thirteen million a year. Yeah that's let

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Speaker 3: me tell maybe it works out for them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, who knows Brandon Bean GM the heck out

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Speaker 2: of that. Oh yeah, he GM the heck out of it,

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Speaker 2: big baller, Bean. That is that's that's a GM right there. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Wow that think about that. Oh I have I'll do

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Speaker 2: I'll do that as evidence that too. Yeah, that's amazing,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. That's so that's why you GM the heck

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Speaker 2: out of that would be b yeap. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: New jersey numbers for the newest bills. By the way,

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Speaker 3: Chase Claypool going to wear fourteen, which is already gaining

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Speaker 3: traction on social media commentary as you can imagine knowing

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Speaker 3: that it was formerly Stefan Diggs number, Dion Jones wearing

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Speaker 3: jersey forty five, Duwayne's smooth jersey number ninety four. And

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Speaker 3: this just in Taylor Rap has changed his number to

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Speaker 3: nine for this season. He was number twenty in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three. So just a little roster housekeeping for everybody

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Speaker 3: out there in case you're interested. I often get questions like, hey,

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Speaker 3: what jersey number is that guy gonna wear? Like, I

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Speaker 3: get that on Twitter a lot, so I figured I

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Speaker 3: just put it out there for everybody.

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Speaker 2: So there it is.

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Speaker 3: Eight oh three five point fifty one, eight eight eight

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Speaker 3: five point fifty two. Five fifty is the number to

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Speaker 3: get on board as an obl fan Friday mailbag, which

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Speaker 3: means any question you have about the Bills, their draft class,

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Speaker 3: what's left in free agency, the league at large, whatever's

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Speaker 3: fifty two five fifty got open lines for you there.

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Speaker 3: If you don't have time to call, you can always

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Speaker 3: hit us up on the tweets. She'd had One Bill's

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Speaker 3: Live with a question. We'll do our best to get

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Speaker 3: the dose to answer them, but we lead off today

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Speaker 3: with Andy in Tonawanda. Let me punch up Andy here,

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Speaker 3: what do you got for us? Andy? You or on

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Speaker 3: One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, I enjoy watching the show. And Chris, I

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Speaker 6: have to admit I love your your analogy between Claypool

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Speaker 6: and Gabe Davis, keeping them in the dark until you

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Speaker 6: compared them, and I thought that was wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm glad you liked the big reveal. Andy, there

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Speaker 2: you go.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And Steve, I think you hit it the nail

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Speaker 6: right on the head. I think when he come out

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Speaker 6: of college, you know he's going to Ben Roethlisberger and

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Speaker 6: the Steelers. I think as a player, especially a college player, debts.

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Speaker 6: You know the Steelers have won the Super Bowl. They

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Speaker 6: you know, they got Roethlisberger, who's say, uh, you know,

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Speaker 6: tremendous quarterback. You know, his attitude would be you know, uh,

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Speaker 6: and then he gets traded and then he goes to

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Speaker 6: Miami when with their two receivers, he's never going to

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Speaker 6: be someone that they're going to say, hey, you're our

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Speaker 6: number one or you're you're our go to guy. And

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, in Buffalo, I'm sure they did

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Speaker 6: their due diligence and talking with them and saying, hey,

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Speaker 6: we need you to step your game up like when

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Speaker 6: you were in college. A second round pick and you know,

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Speaker 6: and you know, and and I'm sure he's given them

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Speaker 6: that assurance. And I just hope it works out because

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Speaker 6: I agree. I followed him and uh, you know, I've

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Speaker 6: watched them in Pittsburgh and uh, he's built like a

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Speaker 6: type of receiver you love. And the second thing I

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Speaker 6: have is Dion Jones. Do you guys think you could

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Speaker 6: possibly get an update on how Milonald's recovery is coming,

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Speaker 6: because I like to pick with Dion Jones, he's got

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Speaker 6: it better in experience and so on. But there's sort

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Speaker 6: of been crickets about if Milano's right on schedule if

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Speaker 6: he's going to be ready for opening Day or I'll

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Speaker 6: I'll just hang up and listen to your responses.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the last update we got was when we

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Speaker 3: had Brandon bean on at the NFL Combine a little

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Speaker 3: over almost two months now, and he sat down with

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Speaker 3: us and we asked him, you know, what's Milano's prognosis,

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Speaker 3: And what he told us was it was going to

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Speaker 3: be a long rehabilitation and he said, not until training

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Speaker 3: camp will you see Milano on the field, and even

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Speaker 3: then it may not be with his teammates. So I

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Speaker 3: think the injury is a little bit more complicated then

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Speaker 3: people might realize, because the rehabilitation is taking a lot

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Speaker 3: longer than you would expect from just a broken leg.

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Speaker 3: So I envision and look, this is just an educated

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Speaker 3: guess based on we're only going to be able to

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Speaker 3: go off with Brandon bean tells us sorr as a prognosis.

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Speaker 3: But my guess is he's going to be in a

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Speaker 3: similar boat to what we saw with Tradeavius White when

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Speaker 3: he came back from his ACL in training camp.

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Speaker 2: He looked like he was.

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Speaker 3: Ripped up and ready to go, but they brought him

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Speaker 3: along slowly in training camp, and they had him on

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Speaker 3: the side with the strength and conditioning staff. He wasn't

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Speaker 3: doing anything with the team. He got on the field

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Speaker 3: after practice and he would get put through a workout

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Speaker 3: by the strength and conditioning staff and that went on

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Speaker 3: for like two or three weeks and most of the preseason.

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Speaker 3: Now in ACL is different from what Milano's dealing with.

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Speaker 3: And we've seen him here training, he's doing extra work.

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Speaker 3: He's here with the strength and conditioning staff. But that

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Speaker 3: was the last prognosis we got from Brandon being about

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Speaker 3: a month and a half ago training camp at the

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Speaker 3: earliest on the field, and even then he will not

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Speaker 3: be full go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing too, and this is the way

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Speaker 2: it is with most injuries. He see him walking. He

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Speaker 2: you know, Matt Mulono could walk around and if he

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Speaker 2: wasn't gonna play football anymore, you would never know he

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Speaker 2: was ever hurt, you know. But because he's walking around

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Speaker 2: doing fine, he's training and he's training actually, you know,

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Speaker 2: training hard. He's not playing football, not running, planning, doing

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Speaker 2: all that. But he's walking around and he could live

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Speaker 2: a normal life the way it is now. But when

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Speaker 2: you ask a guy to play middle linebacker in the

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Speaker 2: National football he get asked a lot more of your

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Speaker 2: body and he's got to get ready. So Milano looks fine,

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Speaker 2: he's moving around good, he's himself, but he's not ready

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Speaker 2: to play football yet. And that's that. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing about this is, and from my experience

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Speaker 2: back in the day, you know, you have these different injuries,

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Speaker 2: and they have different kinds of tests to say, okay,

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Speaker 2: are you really ready? Like if you got to pull hamstring,

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Speaker 2: they'll give you a test to say, okay, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: can probably go now if you can do this, or

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Speaker 2: if you have a bad knee or you know, arm, elbow, shoulder,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is. They've got these tried and true ways

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Speaker 2: of testing. How can you go one hundred percent? I

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Speaker 2: don't know that there's a test for what he had

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Speaker 2: happened to him because it was an unusual, unusual injury.

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Speaker 2: You don't see him very much. So not only did

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Speaker 2: they a I have to think, oh, man, is it

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Speaker 2: is it an ACL? Is it an MCL? Is it

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Speaker 2: a PCL? Is it cartilage? Is it what? But they

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Speaker 2: had to diagnose it properly, which is easier to do

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Speaker 2: these days than it ever has been. But then they

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Speaker 2: also had to come up with a plan of treatment,

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Speaker 2: and so there's a little bit of uncharted water here,

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Speaker 2: which is why I think they're being very cautious with him,

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Speaker 2: and particularly since also that not that they wouldn't do

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Speaker 2: it for every player, but the guy's an all pro

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Speaker 2: or I'm not gonna They're not gonna risk or the

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Speaker 2: rest of a stellar career because they want him for

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Speaker 2: six extra games.

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Speaker 3: But it also begs the question, is the Dion Jones

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Speaker 3: signing in response to what his prognosis might be? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe a veteran player who plays the same exact position,

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Speaker 3: and he's getting signed now in May when he's been

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Speaker 3: out there from the jump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, I think it's I think it's probably

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Speaker 2: price point, okay. And it's also a nod to what

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Speaker 2: we talked about earlier. I think it's a nod to

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Speaker 2: aj Klein keep an aj Kleine on an RV vacation

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Speaker 2: with his family instead of having him come in play

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Speaker 2: middle linebacker for him in a playoff run. They want

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Speaker 2: guys in the building. Morow is a nod to that,

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Speaker 2: and so is Jones. So they need a guy.

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Speaker 3: Dorian Williams and Bayle inspector and yeah, may say something

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Speaker 3: about those two guys too.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, but we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got depth now, yeah, I mean that's for sure, Yes,

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Speaker 3: proven depth exactly. Got to take a break here, but

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Speaker 3: the phone lines are open for you here on this

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Speaker 3: OBL fin Friday mail Bag. Any question you have on

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Speaker 3: your mind about the Bills, the league, the draft, you

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Speaker 3: eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty the number to

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Speaker 3: return here on One Bill's Live, presented by Kel out

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Speaker 3: All right, back here on One Bill's Live on a Friday,

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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you gonna go to the

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Speaker 3: five fifty two five point fifty on this OBL fan Friday,

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Speaker 3: mind about the Bills, the NFL, the draft, you name

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Speaker 3: it fired off at us, Steve and I'll do our

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Speaker 3: best to answer. And we lead off this segment with

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Speaker 3: Mike in Rochester.

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Speaker 2: What's up Mike?

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, thanks for having me on the show.

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Speaker 2: How you doing doing well? Thanks?

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Speaker 7: Great? Uh yeah, I've got a question about the Bill's offense.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: We know there's lots of options Bill in where you know,

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Speaker 5: based on the leverage and things like that, somebody might

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Speaker 5: change a route or you know, Josh might see something

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Speaker 5: and go to a different receiver or something like that.

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Speaker 5: And it seems like that really serves us well in

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Speaker 5: the regular season and especially just like you know, in

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Speaker 5: the core part of the game. But it seems like

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Speaker 5: when we play against the Chiefs right at the end

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Speaker 5: of the game, it kind of seems like the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: defense is almost dictating what our offense is doing. And

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Speaker 5: you know, you think about, you know, there's four minutes

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Speaker 5: left in the game, and you just want to march

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Speaker 5: down the field methodically and score with maybe ten to

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Speaker 5: twelve seconds left on the clock or something like that.

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Speaker 5: But we're throwing long bombs, and it seems like they're saying,

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Speaker 5: you know, if you're going to score, you're gonna score fast,

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Speaker 5: because then Petrick Mahomes is going to get the ball.

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Speaker 5: And do you guys see anything like.

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Speaker 6: That or do you have any thoughts about that.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to generalize because and I know, and I too.

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Speaker 2: We've seen the Chiefs three times in the playoffs, haven't

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Speaker 2: been able to get past them. And then we you

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Speaker 2: know sometime how you do in the regular season once

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Speaker 2: in a while. And I get all that, but it's

651
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: it's difficult and probably inaccurate to generalize like we like

652
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: to do as fans like say, it always happens in

653
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: Kansas City, like always going to Kansas City and always

654
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: having this and this and this happen to us each

655
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: of these games. I know from my experience each of

656
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: these games, while it may look vastly similar to other games,

657
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: particularly in how close it is and how you know

658
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: how my homes always seems to have the ball at

659
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: the end of the game. Well all that stuff. Don't

660
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: think that that's because they've always got something we don't.

661
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: These games, all these games are. They're still football games.

662
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 2: And it's been my I've told Brown, Brandy gets tired

663
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: of me saying it. The Bills have been good enough

664
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: to go to and win the Super Bowl for four years,

665
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: four years, and the reason they don't is because on

666
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: the last day of the season they don't play well

667
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: enough in one game. It's not that they're not good

668
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: enough to win that game, so that they make one

669
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: more mistake or miss more plays or opportunities than the

670
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: other team does. All it takes in those games is

671
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: missing one. And that's what happens, what has happened to

672
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. And maybe that something in the mindset,

673
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: something in coach McDermott, something in Josh Allen, something in

674
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: Steph Diggs, something in Mitch Morse, something in Matt Mulano,

675
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: something in some of these guys that doesn't click at

676
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: the right time and you miss an opportunity like that.

677
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: Just I would just caution all the fans not to

678
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: think of all these games as one thing, because they're

679
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: they never they're different. They're they're all very different. And

680
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: even the roster from four years ago for the Bills

681
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: coming into this year, or even this last year, and

682
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: same thing for the Chiefs, completely different. Sure, Mahomes and

683
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: Allen are the same, but everything's changed around them. You know,

684
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: Tyreek's not in this mix, you know. And you got

685
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: a whole new defense for the Chiefs. The Bills have

686
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: got Kincaid and Cook instead of Devin Singletary and Dawson Knox,

687
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: you know. So it's don't generalize, I guess is my point. Yeah,

688
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: don't judge. Try and I know and I know that

689
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: we can listen when the Chiefs play the Bills. It

690
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: is appointment viewing. I'm not going to none of us

691
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: want to miss it because it's gonna be good. But

692
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: don't think just because it's always a good game that

693
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: it's always the same game, because it really is not.

694
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 2: It really isn't.

695
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have anything to add to that. I

696
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: think you summarize that perfectly. Trying to find a theme

697
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: is kind of fruitless from one year to the next.

698
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: Just because it's the same opponent doesn't mean the reasons

699
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: you lost to them are the same. And I think

700
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: there are different reasons for the different years that they've

701
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 3: come up short against the Chiefs in the playoffs. Let's

702
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: go back to the phones and we go to Jose

703
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 3: in Buffalo.

704
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: What's up, Jose?

705
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 7: My question is yeah, hear me, Yeah, go ahead, And

706
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 7: my question is this, Steve, You've been in the league

707
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 7: for many years. You know, you know these things. Organization,

708
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 7: you know, wise are we looking at this year is

709
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 7: like sort of a wash year? Is just to get

710
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 7: the cap space under control, so we can cause next year,

711
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 7: I don't know how much we're going to have for

712
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 7: next year cap, you.

713
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?

714
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 7: Where we can sign somebody big, like because right now

715
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 7: we're already at playoff caliber. We know we're going to

716
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 7: get to the playoffs with Josh Allen no matter what

717
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 7: team you put them with, you know, because we're going

718
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 7: to win the East. So I mean, is this say

719
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 7: to assume that this is a wash here? You know

720
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 7: what I mean? Because not even just a wash here,

721
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 7: because if we get in the playoffs, we have a shot.

722
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, I know this too.

723
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: It's a big reset financially. And I'll say this too,

724
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: I think they felt comfortable trimings. And I don't want

725
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: to use the word loosely except that it's an expression.

726
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: Trim is some fat off. I love Tredavius White as

727
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: much as anybody, but he's there's no way he can

728
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: play and be worth seventeen point five million to the roster.

729
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: They's just no way. And I think they made that decision.

730
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: I think Mitch Morris, at this point of his career

731
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: eleven and a half million dollars at Center. The analytics

732
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: will tell you and just your your naked eye test

733
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: will tell you can find really good centers in the

734
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: NFL draft and have a high hit rate on that pick.

735
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Seem to transfer from Division one Power fives into the NFL,

736
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: maybe the smoothest of any position on the field. And

737
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: the Bills drafted one, and the Bills drafted one, and

738
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: they probably knew they could. So uh yes, financially, I

739
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: think it is a reset year for the Bills. But

740
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question. And I'm I'm very

741
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: bullish on this team. I've said it already. They're gonna

742
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: be They're a wagon. They're gonna be a wagon. And

743
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: I Brandon said. I told Brandon I was gonna say

744
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: this whole through the offseason. He goes, no, man, come on,

745
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: you gotta pump the brakes on it. I don't want

746
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: to expect. You know, they don't want people to go off.

747
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: They don't want to be Super Bowl favorite. They don't

748
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: want to be that they are to.

749
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: Me, I don't think you have to worry about them nationally,

750
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 3: having all you need to the only thing the national

751
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: media sees is Diggs is not on the roster anymore.

752
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: And they automatically let me say this way.

753
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm I am, and I tell I say this privately

754
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: on my golfing buddies too. They're a wagon. So get

755
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: on board. They are gonna be good again this year,

756
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: and they're gonna go to and they're gonna win a

757
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: playoff game. They're gonna maybe go this May. This is

758
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: exactly the kind of year where they This may of

759
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: all years, this may be the year they go. Because

760
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: it's the same thing they have been when McDermott takes

761
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: over in twenty seventeen and they purge the roster right before,

762
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: right after training camp, before the season, and then go

763
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: to the playoffs after a seventeen year drought with Tyrod

764
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: Taylor a quarterback with Tyrod. So yeah, this reset financially, Yes,

765
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: this is a reset financially year, not talent wise. Not

766
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: talent wise. I still think they got guys that are

767
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: gonna be an absolute tough, tough team to beat, Absolutely

768
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: a really tough team to beat.

769
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: Let's go to Ryan and Toronto next. What's up Ryan?

770
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: See Honestly, guys, I know you guys are like all

771
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 4: high on playper sign it. I totally is imatchink it's

772
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 4: a horrible signing. He might be a cancer in the

773
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: rocker room, and he's not a leader. Everywhere he has

774
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: gone after Pittsburgh, they had the teams have had a

775
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 4: losing record. For example, I think with the Beayars, they

776
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: were like, oh and tenn he was when they signed him,

777
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 4: and then they started winning afterwards. Dolphins, they were like

778
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 4: five on one and they started losing when they signed paper.

779
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: I do not see the benefits of this signing for

780
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills on the offense moving forward. It's not

781
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: the answer for Stefan Dicks. He's not going to be

782
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: a number one receiver. He's not going to be a

783
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: number three receiver. I think it's a horrible signing.

784
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: Okay, well, first of all, Ryan hold On. First of all, Ryan,

785
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: let me correct you. I didn't think Steve and I

786
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: are over the moon that they signed Chase Claypool, so

787
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call us high on the signing. I was

788
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: only pointing out that his statistics are pretty comparable to

789
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: that of Gabe Davis, So if you can get that

790
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: out of him, well then maybe you might have something

791
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you're going to And then second daily,

792
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: I don't think you can pin the fortunes of the

793
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: Chicago Bears and the Miami Dolphins, or the lack thereof

794
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: on one player, especially a guy who could barely get

795
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: on the field for the Dolphins on offense, played mostly

796
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: on special teams and had seven targets. So they fell

797
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: into a hole and got bounced out of the playoffs

798
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: early because Chase Claypool showed up. I mean, that's a

799
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: little bit of a stretch, Ryan, all due respect.

800
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: So Ryan, what we're saying is it's a roll of

801
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: the dice that could that has the potential to return

802
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: big with no investment. Now here's the thing, too, He's

803
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: not just going to be on the roster. I think

804
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: Claypool is one of those all or nothing guys. He's

805
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: either on the field, starting and playing every down, or

806
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: he's off the team. And that's that's what I think.

807
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the other part of that that

808
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: that's worth noting here too, is you know, you kind

809
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 3: of explain the situation anyway. First, you say you're not

810
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: high on this signing, and you don't think he does

811
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 3: anything for the team.

812
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: You even indicate he could be.

813
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: A cancer, and you're like, he's not going to be

814
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: the number one two or three receiver. Well, then why

815
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: are you getting so bent out of shape about it?

816
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: If he's not gonna have a big role here, what's

817
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: the difference, what's the harm?

818
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: Right? You know what I mean? So it's like if

819
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: he's going to be a cancer in the locker room,

820
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: he ain't sticking around anyway, because we've seen.

821
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: Now get sniffed out right quick. I mean, that's a

822
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: reason why you're right. People got traded off this roster

823
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 3: in training camp in twenty seventeen. They were big names,

824
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: but they got moved off the roster because they weren't

825
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: the right people that they wanted on the roster or

826
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 3: in the locker room.

827
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: I'll say this about Chase Claypool and Ryan, You're right

828
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: to have questions about him because we both do. This

829
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: isn't a physical football tryout for Chase Claypool. It's a

830
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: personality test. That's what training camp's going to be for him.

831
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: That's it.

832
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: If he gets that for Yeah, got to take a

833
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: break here. When we come back, more of your phone calls.

834
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: We'll lead off with Ron in Pennsylvania. When we get

835
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: back here on one, Bill's Live, stay tuned all right

836
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: back here on one Bill's Live Chris Brown Steve Tasker

837
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: on an obl fan Friday mail bag, which means, any

838
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: question you have you can fire off at us. At

839
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: ETO three oh five fifty, we go back to the

840
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 3: phones and Lee in Buffalo is waiting for us.

841
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: What's up, Lee?

842
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, you guys doing good, good good?

843
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 7: Yeah?

844
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 8: I have a question, Like I know on social media,

845
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 8: you know, during the draft, people blow things up. You know,

846
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 8: Bean doesn't go after big receivers in the draft. You know,

847
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 8: I'm not a big fan of going after big name players.

848
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 8: You know, I'm a big believer and your receivers are

849
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 8: as good as your quarterback, and it all depends on

850
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 8: your system. So I mean, if Claypool was over and

851
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 8: Pitts he had one good year with Big Ben and

852
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 8: then he goes to two quarterbacks that really weren't throwing

853
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 8: to him, I don't see what's the sense of judging them?

854
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I get that, Lee, And well

855
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: here's the thing, Lee, if you go back and watch

856
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: him play on film, there's a lot to question.

857
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot to questions.

858
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: There's also stories coming out of those cities where he was.

859
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the quarterback has nothing

860
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: to do with football, has to do with his desire

861
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: to actually even be on the team and play hard.

862
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: That's that right there, will get you out of the football,

863
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: out of the NFL faster than anything. And that's coming

864
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Speaker 2: from those cities, not from us. Yeah, that's not us.

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Speaker 3: That's not our opinion. Those are just railing opinions in

866
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Speaker 3: those other two places.

867
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Speaker 2: We're just repeating what has been said about him. And

868
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Speaker 2: like I said in the last segment, I this this

869
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: training camp and off season that he's signed with the

870
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills is not about his ability to play football.

871
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: It's about his It's a personality test. Is he the

872
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: kind of guy that has the DNA that the Bills

873
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: are looking for? Or is he the guy that people

874
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: are saying he is at in Chicago and Pittsburgh and Miami.

875
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 3: But Lee, I get what you're saying about how some

876
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: fans want big names on this roster, and I don't

877
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: know if it's that. I think it's more the fact

878
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: that the familiar names that Bills fans became accustomed to

879
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: seeing on the field every year for several years are

880
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: no longer on this roster, whether it's Micah Hide, Jordan Poyer,

881
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: Trudevius White, Mitch Morse, Gabe Davis, Stefan Diggs. These are

882
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: all names that have been here year over year for

883
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: the better part of the last six seven years. Gave

884
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: Davis a little bit shorter span than that being in

885
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty draft, and I think that is what

886
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: is I don't know if unsettling is the right word,

887
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: but that's what is most disconcerting. I think to the Bills,

888
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: fan based players that have been relied upon heavily to

889
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: help this team be successful are now suddenly not here,

890
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of uncertainty on their part as

891
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: to whether all those voids can be filled in one

892
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: offseason and have the same type of AFC contending status

893
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: that we've enjoyed for the better part of the last

894
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Speaker 3: four And some.

895
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Speaker 2: People will relate to this who are of a certain

896
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: age like me or older. Marve Leavey took over nineteen

897
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: eighty six midway through the season and got through eighty seven,

898
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: which was a strike year, so it was a little

899
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: bit jumbled and disconcerted, nothing like the Covid years, but

900
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: you get the idea. And then in eighty eight the

901
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: team was twelve and four, going strong, and we had

902
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Speaker 2: a lot of great players emerge as stars in the league,

903
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 2: Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly, Thurman, Thomas Rookie, ye Andre Reid.

904
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Speaker 2: And was also the year eighty seven halfway through was

905
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: the year we got Cornelius Bennett. So we had some dudes, right.

906
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Speaker 2: That was an Then eighty eights when they spread their wings,

907
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: went twelve and four, got beat by Cincinnati. The championship

908
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: game eighty nine came and there was a problem. Those

909
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: players that were good had and had been good at

910
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: and there was something a little off kilter in the

911
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: locker room about the leadership and whose team it was

912
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. And the club, Marvin, Bill Pollie,

913
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: marve Levy and Bill Polian made some subtractions, wasn't that

914
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: many of them, but some subtractions of players who had

915
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: been extremely good players for this franchise, and the next

916
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: year the team went to four straight Super Bowls. I'm

917
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: not saying that's gonna happen this year, but that kind

918
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: of don't be afraid of change, particularly even when his

919
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: players you love and respect, like Mitch Morris, like Steph Diggs,

920
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: like Tredevius White. Don't be a Michah Hyde, Jordan Poyer.

921
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Change is inevitable, especially in this league, but it never has,

922
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: it never has to be for the worse, and it's

923
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: never meant to be for the worse. So keep that

924
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: in mind when you think about this team. There are

925
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: going to be some new faces on this club, but

926
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: I've seen this exact franchise go through this before and

927
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: it reaped and the and the entire organization and fan

928
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: base reaped the benefits of it.

929
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Speaker 3: Break time for us here when we come back for

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00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: our number two, We're going to be joined by NFL

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Speaker 3: Draft analyst and host of the Audibles and Analytics podcast,

932
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: John Ledgard, who also spends some time covering the Steelers,

933
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 3: so he can lend some insight on Chase Claypool as well.

934
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: We'll do all of that when we return here on

935
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Speaker 3: One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

936
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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health.

937
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Speaker 3: All right, second hour here on a Friday, One Bill's Live.

938
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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and pleased to be

939
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: able to bring aboard now the NFL Draft analyst and

940
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: host of the Audibles and Analytics podcast, one, John, led

941
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Speaker 3: you're joining the program. John, Good to have you with us.

942
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: The draft is now firmly in the rear view mirror.

943
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 3: But you had some interesting thoughts on the Bill's draft class,

944
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: so we thought you would get you on for that

945
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 3: to maybe what some of the AFC contenders have done

946
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: with their respective draft classes. But the tweet you had

947
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: that got me at Ledyard NFL draft Keon Coleman is

948
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: good too. Think he can be even better in the NFL.

949
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: Tell me why you believe that.

950
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 9: I think one of the things that you watched when

951
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 9: you saw him at Florida State was just a lot

952
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 9: of static usage. A lot of his routes. He ran

953
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 9: basically two routes a lot of the time, and I

954
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 9: just think in the NFL he can be developed further,

955
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 9: which is good for his stock. I think in general,

956
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 9: when teams watched him, I'm sure they didn't see, oh,

957
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 9: this guy's a finished product and we're just going to

958
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 9: get the exact same receiver we got in college, because frankly,

959
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 9: in college he was kind of a go ball receiver.

960
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 9: He ran those deep crossers and he ran nine routes

961
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 9: down the field, and frankly, he didn't gain a lot

962
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 9: of separation because speed is not his greatest asset, so

963
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 9: it led to a lot of contested catches. He was

964
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 9: in thirty contested catch situations, which was tied for second

965
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 9: most in the entire FBS last season, and frankly, he

966
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 9: didn't catch as many of those as highlight reels to show.

967
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 9: So I do think his ball skills are good. I

968
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 9: just think it's really difficult when you're in that many

969
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 9: contested gut situations and you gain that little separation to

970
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 9: be everything that your skill set says you can be,

971
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 9: because defenders are going to know what's coming in those situations.

972
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 9: And so I think in the NFL, I'm really intrigued

973
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 9: by him as like a big slot receiver. He is

974
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 9: one of the best blocking wide receivers in the draft.

975
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 9: He plays very physical football, which is good because that's

976
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 9: what the type of football he's going to need to

977
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 9: play because he isn't that fast. But I do think

978
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 9: he's still a good athlete despite not having great speed.

979
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 9: So I don't think he's without weakness and without need

980
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 9: of development. But you like the makeup of the kid

981
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 9: physically mentally, I think very tough there. I think he's

982
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 9: going to take well to coaching, and I think the

983
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 9: ability to play him inside and use him as kind

984
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 9: of a blocker and as a possession guy underneath, and

985
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 9: then in the red area too with his body. I

986
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 9: do think he can be a nice contributor in that way,

987
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 9: even if some of the skill sets you see kind

988
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 9: of a top his scouting report in most places may

989
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 9: not be exactly his calling guards in the NFL, And.

990
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: What does it say about him that? And I know

991
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: it's very common now for players to go to two

992
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: different schools and transfer use the transfer portal, but he

993
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: was actually pretty productive and also a basketball player at

994
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: Michigan State. How does that affect your you know, the

995
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 2: athletic scores people look at him with and the fact

996
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 2: that he was able to do it in two different offenses.

997
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 9: The biggest thing when you have a basketball background that

998
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 9: I think people want to see is how you adjust

999
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 9: in the air or to the football. What does that

1000
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 9: look like for you catching outside your frame, being able

1001
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 9: to adjust to things that are off target. It really

1002
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 9: when you look at rebounding in basketball, there's a lot

1003
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 9: of it that goes into that right. It's hand eye

1004
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 9: coordination and you don't always know how the ball is

1005
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 9: going to come off the rim, and so you're making

1006
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 9: really quick adjustments to the snap of a finger to

1007
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 9: what the ball does a lot of the time. And

1008
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 9: that's what you see with Coleman on his tape. And

1009
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 9: that's why I believe although his contested Catchwry wasn't amazing

1010
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 9: in college, I know, the highlight reel kind of deceit

1011
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 9: can be a little deceiving in that way for him.

1012
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 9: He I still think his ball skills are one of

1013
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 9: his best traits because he does show the ability to

1014
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 9: go up and adjust to the ball outside frame. I

1015
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 9: think contested catch rate can often be a quarterback statistic.

1016
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 9: Ball placement is a big part of that. A hard

1017
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 9: knock a guy for not making a contested catch when

1018
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 9: the balls not in his vicinity, really and so I

1019
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 9: think he actually does have some really good skills and

1020
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 9: traits in that area. I do think more consistent quarterbacking

1021
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 9: is going to help him a lot at the next level.

1022
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 9: Maybe this isn't the most high upside wide receiver in

1023
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 9: the draft, but I still think there's a lot of

1024
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 9: traits here that can help a team, whether it becomes

1025
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 9: a true number one quote unquote I'm not quite sure

1026
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 9: about that, but I do think there's a lot of

1027
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 9: traits here, and some of those traits definitely draw from

1028
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 9: his days as a basketball player.

1029
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 3: You had Cole Bishop as your number two safety in

1030
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: the class. Versatile kid looks like he can do just

1031
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 3: about everything that the modern day NFL safety needs to

1032
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 3: be able to execute. But you said he needs polish.

1033
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 3: Where do you think polishing up needs to happen?

1034
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 9: Mainly in deep coverage with him, you know, really intriguing player,

1035
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 9: as you said, very fast and physical, good size too.

1036
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 9: I think he, unlike some of the other safeties in

1037
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 9: this class, Tyler Nubin and some of the others, I

1038
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 9: think that he actually plays to his speed at all

1039
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 9: times on the field. He flies around the way needs

1040
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 9: polish is just he's just got to see the game better,

1041
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 9: and he's got to see the game better, especially when

1042
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 9: he's at deep safety and he's kind of processing the

1043
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 9: whole picture. It's a little easier for these guys when

1044
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 9: they play in the slot. It's okay, I'm reading things

1045
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 9: out to my side of the field. So perhaps that's

1046
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 9: three receivers and how they come off the line of

1047
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 9: scrimmage or two receivers or single receiver with him in

1048
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 9: the slot most of the time. He was in the

1049
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 9: slot for four under Navy snaps, in the box for

1050
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 9: eight hundred and thirty, and in free safety for four

1051
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 9: hundred and his college career. So, like you said, played

1052
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 9: all over the place. But when you're in that slot position,

1053
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 9: a lot of the time you're just reading concepts to

1054
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 9: your side of the field oft in the field side,

1055
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 9: And so when you asked him to step back to

1056
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 9: free safety and see the whole picture, it was definitely

1057
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 9: slower for him. Now, he's very fast and physical, as

1058
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 9: I said, so he would still close and make hits

1059
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 9: and get involved in the run game and all those

1060
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 9: sorts of things. Think there's still really good traits to develop.

1061
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 9: It's just he doesn't see the game fast enough for

1062
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 9: process ralph combinations, full field concepts fast enough to be

1063
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 9: able to play like in a single high role. So

1064
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 9: if that's the role you have projected for him, it

1065
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 9: may take some time for him to develop into that

1066
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 9: type of a player. But if you're just saying, oh,

1067
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 9: this is a player who fits what we want from

1068
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 9: athletic standpoint, from a mental makeup standpoint, you know, from

1069
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 9: ability to play around line of scrimmage, to play in

1070
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 9: the slot if we need him to. I think he

1071
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 9: fits a lot of those things early on. It's just

1072
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 9: some of the instinctive stuff. Honestly, reminded me a lot

1073
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 9: of Taylor Rapp, where good tackler, real physical, you come

1074
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 9: down and play in the box. You can play all

1075
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 9: these different alignments, but he's not necessarily going to be

1076
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 9: a game changer on any of those spots unless he

1077
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 9: learns to see things faster and beat the ball to places.

1078
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 9: I think if he can do that, then you're gonna

1079
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 9: have a real difference maker.

1080
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: One of the other draft picks that has become a

1081
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: little more interesting to a lot of Bills fans is

1082
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 2: Cedric van prin Granger, the center out of Georgia. Obviously,

1083
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: offensive linemen are a little bit under the radar for

1084
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: most fans. You know, you don't go watch film, you

1085
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: watch highlights of receivers and quarterbacks. But Cedric van pran Granger, really,

1086
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: if you read his resume, how he's played at Georgia,

1087
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: the games he's played in there, the production they've had there. Man,

1088
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: it's hard to argue about his resume.

1089
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, extremely good football player. Honestly, just think

1090
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 9: he was really overthought throughout the draft process. When you

1091
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 9: watch him on tape, you just see like, yeah, he's

1092
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 9: not going to test amazing. He's not that big, but

1093
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 9: he knows how to overcome all that stuff, and he

1094
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 9: did it against great competition. He did it for years

1095
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 9: as a starter. He did it one of the top

1096
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 9: offensive lines. The numbers are good. I'm just really choosing

1097
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 9: to believe the tape with him, especially because he plays center.

1098
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 9: This is a position where we've found over and over again,

1099
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 9: physical and athletic traits are not as important. Even analytics

1100
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 9: people who buy into that stuff will tell you at

1101
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 9: this position those things can be overrated a bit, and

1102
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 9: you can still overcome not having those things at the

1103
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 9: next level. But when you watchan prim granger, I think

1104
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 9: one of the big things you see is first level awareness.

1105
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 9: Right if people are trying to get through the a

1106
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 9: gaps in the run game, he comes off the ball,

1107
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 9: he will chip and hammer and help out his guards

1108
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 9: and then still climb really good body control. He takes

1109
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 9: good angles to the second level, and he's under control

1110
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 9: when he blocks people on the second level. There's all

1111
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 9: these athletes at O line today, but they fly to

1112
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 9: the second level and they overshoot guys all the time,

1113
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 9: and for every knockout blow they get at the second level,

1114
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 9: they miss four or five guys. And with Van prem Granger,

1115
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 9: I think he's just very under control as a player.

1116
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 9: He knows who he is, he plays to those things,

1117
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 9: gets out of his stans really quickly, and in the

1118
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 9: zone scheme stuff he can reach block. I think we

1119
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 9: gets out in space, even on screens, he finds work

1120
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 9: really well. He's really as a complete player. You just

1121
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 9: don't have amazing traits. So there may be a couple

1122
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 9: times a year where you see him get blown up

1123
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 9: or you see him unable to reach some of the

1124
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 9: more athletic guys in the league. You're gonna have some

1125
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 9: of those limitations. I don't think he was like a

1126
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 9: first round caliber player, but I did have him with

1127
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 9: a late second round grade. This was one of the

1128
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 9: better value picks in my and I am admittedly one

1129
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 9: of the draft analysts and media probably that is higher

1130
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 9: on vanpen Granger, But I just felt like from a

1131
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 9: mental standpoint, from the way that he played, his technique

1132
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 9: and the way that he kind of was aware of

1133
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 9: his weaknesses. He is a great awareness and pass protection

1134
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 9: against blit schemes and twists and things of that nature.

1135
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 9: You want that from your lead communicator at the pivot spot.

1136
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 9: So I just felt like this was a player that

1137
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 9: could do a lot of different things and could be

1138
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 9: a solid starter in the NFL. That's really valuable To

1139
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 9: get that down later in the draft where the Bills

1140
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 9: picked him up, I thought that was arguably value wise

1141
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 9: their best pick of the draft.

1142
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was part of a start of what

1143
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: proved to be a pretty productive Day three for Buffalo.

1144
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, some draft analysts that have

1145
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: broken up by day I mean, the Bills have one

1146
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 3: of the highest grades for Day three. You've mentioned van

1147
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: Pray and Granger. What else did you really like that

1148
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 3: they did on Day three in terms of the talent

1149
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: they were able to you know kind of land.

1150
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely one wow, you'll show Fio. I think he

1151
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 9: is just a really interesting player because he has really

1152
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 9: good athleticism. He has a lot of traits I think

1153
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 9: that you want at the linebacker position, especially in twenty

1154
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 9: twenty four. This is the guy that can move, he

1155
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 9: can cover, he can hit. I just wonder if he's

1156
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 9: ever gonna be able to see the game fast enough

1157
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 9: to be an every down player, but many he is

1158
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 9: really a lot of the things that you want at

1159
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 9: this position. From a makeup standpoint, I just am not

1160
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 9: quite sure whether he's gonna be fully developed, if he'll

1161
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 9: be like a role player, like a down certain down

1162
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 9: in distances, longer down in distances type of player. But

1163
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 9: he's gonna be awesome on special teams. He plays really fast,

1164
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 9: he will hit. I think that he is not necessarily

1165
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 9: always the cleanest tackle. He usually gets guys in the ground.

1166
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 9: Sometimes that can be he's like wrestling them down. And

1167
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 9: some of that may speak to like that he doesn't

1168
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 9: have this most ideal physical measurements, a little bit smaller

1169
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 9: for a linebacker. But I mean, if you look at

1170
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 9: the way today's NFL is gun at linebacker, and you

1171
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 9: guys have known this for years now, it's turnd in

1172
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 9: that direction. These guys are playing lighter and lighter. NFL

1173
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 9: teams are attacking this position more than any other position.

1174
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 9: When you talk about NFL offenses, they're just attacking slot

1175
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 9: defenders and linebackers more and more with the way they

1176
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 9: ski scheme up and set up players on the field,

1177
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 9: and these guys have to be able to do so

1178
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 9: much that you want to be able to take chances

1179
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 9: on guys that can are very physical and very fast

1180
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 9: and athletic at this position. And I don't think his

1181
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 9: size concerns are so significant that that it'll hold him

1182
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 9: back in the NFL substantially. So I actually think he

1183
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 9: could be one of those late guys that ends up

1184
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 9: becoming a solid starter at this position in the league.

1185
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 9: And I think he's going to be one of the

1186
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 9: better special teamers on their team right away. So I

1187
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 9: like that pick to Von Solomon. I thought just the speed, burst,

1188
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 9: twitchiness on the edge. You know, I'm not saying he's

1189
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 9: gonna be a great player, but around five these are

1190
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 9: the types of players you take your chances on. Guys

1191
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 9: with traits at this position. We talk about the pillars

1192
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 9: of pass rush athleticism a lot on the Audibles and

1193
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 9: Analytics podcast, and Solomon has some of those twitch off

1194
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 9: the ball, explosiveness, speed up the arc. He's got the

1195
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 9: ability to corner and some bend at the top of

1196
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 9: the art to change directions. It's underfined. He's smaller, but

1197
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 9: in the fifth round you are trying to find guys

1198
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 9: that can be late down in distance rushers and make

1199
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 9: an impact off the edge. And I think there's a

1200
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 9: chance he could become in a rotation one of those guys.

1201
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you talk about those last four guys,

1202
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: Javon Solomon and Daikwon Hardy, two defenders and then two

1203
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: offensive tackles mixed in there, Tyland Grabile and Travis Clayton.

1204
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: I understand too. Travis Clayton one of the guys from

1205
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: the International portal, of course, a big rugby player and

1206
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: he's an absolute giant of a guy. Hard to evaluate

1207
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: those guys because there's so little football, just no reps

1208
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: to look at, right, and you kind of have to

1209
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: kind of go by the athleticism and how smart the

1210
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 2: guy is, will he be able to learn.

1211
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 9: Well, everybody's trying to find their next Jordan my Alotta.

1212
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 9: I mean that's just the reality. Like the Lions shocked everybody, right,

1213
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 9: they trade up for Giovanni Manu and the fourth round

1214
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 9: and trade up assets for next year to do it.

1215
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 9: Like people are, they're just really really trying. Can we

1216
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 9: take some of these guys? They saw it happen with

1217
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 9: Villaneuaveotem in Pittsburgh to a smaller degree, and then my

1218
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 9: a lot has become one of the best tackles in

1219
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 9: the league. Can we take guys that don't yet have

1220
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 9: a ton of bad habits and develop them. If we

1221
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 9: could take them in this range of the draft, we

1222
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 9: can add to them physically. That's a huge part of

1223
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 9: this right. One of the hardest things to do at

1224
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 9: offensive tackle when you go from college to the NFL

1225
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 9: is take the bad habits that a player might have

1226
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 9: playing in their system or just relying on athleticism and

1227
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 9: trying to undo those and then rebuild them in a way.

1228
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 9: So the fact that you can get guys that may

1229
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 9: have the same physical upside as a guy who's played

1230
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 9: a lot but has more bad habits without the bad

1231
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 9: habits is really intriguing the NFL team. No idea if

1232
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 9: it'll work, but it's really cool for the game if this,

1233
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 9: If Travis Clayton were to work out, even can become

1234
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,959
Speaker 9: a solid backup in the NFL, If Giovanni Manu works

1235
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 9: out for the Lions, those will be really really fun

1236
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 9: wrinkles in the NFL that we really haven't seen become

1237
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 9: a big part of the league until really may. Alta

1238
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 9: is one of the first guys that sets that example.

1239
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, last one for you, John, I know you spend

1240
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 3: a lot of time around the Pittsburgh organization. The Bills

1241
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 3: just signed Chase Claypool today, who you know has admittedly

1242
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 3: bounced around the league. He's been traded twice, and I

1243
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 3: know the opinions of him are not strong in Pittsburgh

1244
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 3: with the way things ended there. What is your having

1245
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: seen him a lot more than we have, what is

1246
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 3: your general take on what he brings to the table.

1247
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean early on in his career you could

1248
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 9: get excited about some things. I think there were flashes

1249
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 9: of ball skills for sure, being able to be size

1250
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 9: speed guy down the field, especially to play in the slot,

1251
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 9: work over the middle of the field, make tough catches.

1252
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 9: It's just hard to really like, if I'm just being

1253
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 9: accurate with you guys, it's hard to say those things

1254
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 9: are still a big part of who he is, and

1255
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 9: maybe they're in there somewhere. But a guy who just

1256
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 9: really kind of lost his way from a football character standpoint,

1257
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 9: work ethics standpoint, really lost sight of the team, I think,

1258
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 9: and became a lot about himself, not only in Pittsburgh,

1259
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 9: but just I don't think the impression was strong in

1260
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 9: Miami either, And I think there's physical and athletic gifts

1261
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 9: there for sure, but was always just prone to a

1262
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 9: lot of mental mistakes, drops and misplays on the ball

1263
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 9: and mistakes in his route running, and those things really

1264
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 9: never got ironed out, and I think there were real

1265
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 9: questions about a hearty practice, how committed he was to

1266
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 9: study in game tape. So really good opportunity for the

1267
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 9: Bills to be able to take a guy for cheap

1268
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 9: who's really talented, and he'll because he's talented, he'll get

1269
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 9: a lot of chances. I think even if this doesn't

1270
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 9: work out to make an impact on other squads, there's

1271
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 9: obviously a need at the wide receiver position. The Bills

1272
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 9: have guys, but I don't think there's like a clear

1273
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 9: packing order just yet, so Claypool will have a chance.

1274
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 9: Good opportunity for him. Josh Allen is a guy I

1275
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 9: think as a leader that can get a guy like

1276
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 9: this to buy in hopefully, and so there's potential here.

1277
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 9: But I'll be honest with you, guys, been a while

1278
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 9: since we've seen it. With Chase Claypole, and I think

1279
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 9: they're just gonna have to be. It's been a lot

1280
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 9: of Chicago saw this as well. It's been a lot

1281
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 9: of how much are you willing to put up with

1282
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 9: before you're willing to turn the page with Chase Claypool

1283
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 9: and see what Buffalo's willing to do in that regard

1284
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 9: and how much he's willing to change, honestly and make

1285
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 9: that happen.

1286
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 2: That's exactly kind of the way we took it as well,

1287
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: kind of just a roll of the dice and no

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01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: with no money on the table. Really. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: you couldn't get him any cheaper, and he's got as

1290
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: big an upside as anybody physically. But that's kind of

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01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: where we sat too. And I'm glad you kind of

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Speaker 2: co signed our evaluation. Thanks hey, John, thanks for coming in.

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01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: Appreciate you spending some time with us.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, guys, always appreciate you having me. Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's John Lesure joining us NFL Draft analyst and

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01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 3: also host of the Audibles and Analytics podcast and you know,

1297
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 3: been around the Pittsburgh area for a while. You can

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01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: hear his Pittsburgh accidently come out when he says college.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly where we see Chase Claypool at and yeah,

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01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: and I think you nailed it. It's a personality it's

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01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 2: a personality test. It's they know he can play football

1302
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: if it's in there and it how bad does he

1303
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: want it? You know?

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01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 3: But that's the thing, because Sean McDermott's philosophy here is

1305
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: you adopt a daily growth mindset. Even if you only

1306
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 3: get one percent better the next day, tomorrow's got to

1307
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: be better than today was if you're going to get

1308
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 3: to where you want to be to maximize everything that's

1309
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: in your skill set to be the best version of yourself.

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01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: And if there's evidence that he's not committed to that,

1311
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 3: he's not gonna be here very long. It's just right

1312
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 3: the fact of the matter, right, And that's I think

1313
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 3: we're talking out of school here.

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01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the reality, and I want to stay here.

1315
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: That's how you have to approach every day.

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01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's hearing it too. There's no way you

1317
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 2: can be in a place like Chicago and in Pittsburgh

1318
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: and the then of course in Miami and not hear

1319
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: what's being written and said about you. How badly do

1320
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: you want to change that narrative comes down to, you

1321
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: know what happens from here until the end of training

1322
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: camp this year.

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Speaker 3: Now, let's get back to the phones though at eight

1324
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: o three oh five point fifty and we go to

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Speaker 3: knowl in Tonawanda.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Noel?

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Speaker 10: Hey, how's it going, guys? Stood, I just wanted to

1328
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 10: make a quick comment about Claypool. Yeah, I just think

1329
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 10: management it should really tell this guy that he has

1330
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 10: a unique opportunity to win a Super Bowl with Josh

1331
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 10: Allen and he just needs to, like really to put

1332
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 10: it bluntly, shut up and just catch the ball and

1333
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Speaker 10: work hard.

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that would seem for most of

1335
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 3: us to be easy.

1336
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 2: But I think, as.

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01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 3: Steve explains all the time, playing professional football hurts, and

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01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 3: some people don't have the intestinal fortitude or the mental

1339
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 3: toughness to get through that on a daily basis for

1340
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 3: six months out.

1341
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Speaker 2: Of the year.

1342
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,839
Speaker 3: They just can't do it. They don't have the mental

1343
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 3: constitution or the intestinal fortitude. And I'm not saying that's

1344
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 3: Chase Claypool. My point is, people say, oh, just work

1345
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: hard and catch the ball.

1346
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 2: Football is a.

1347
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 3: Lot more than that, and it's hard and it hurts.

1348
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: And I'll say this too, nol. All the stuff you said,

1349
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, of being being as bluntly honest, you know,

1350
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: brutally honest as you can with the player. That is

1351
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: the way it is at this point of player's careers,

1352
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: where Chase Claypool is. When you get a veteran guy

1353
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: in there, I'm sure they said the same thing Dion

1354
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: Jones when they signed him. You know, they're telling him exactly.

1355
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: And and this is Sean McDermott to a t. And

1356
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: this is why players around the league have given this

1357
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 2: culture in at one Bill's Drive a really good reputation.

1358
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: They're brutally honest with their players. Uh, they do not.

1359
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: And all this stuff you say, listen, this is there.

1360
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Speaker 2: They know what Chase Claypool has done in the past,

1361
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 2: they know how he's been coached in the past. They've

1362
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: talked to people in Chicago, They've talked to people in

1363
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh about what it went, what went down with him.

1364
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: They're they're not gonna well, well I'm not gonna say

1365
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: not going to but they're gonna coach Chase Claypool in

1366
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 2: the way they their research has told them he needs

1367
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: to be coached. There are different ways people learn things

1368
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 2: that you'll see how even installed installing plays, they'll have

1369
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: different ways of showing it to players on an overhead,

1370
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: on a piece of paper, on film, on the field.

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01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: They'll have all different ways guys learn. They'll talk it

1372
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: through and they'll walk it that. Guys learn in different ways.

1373
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: All of us do same thing with coaching. Some guys

1374
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 2: you need to challenge their manhood to get them to

1375
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: go out and practice hard. You need to tell them

1376
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: they stink and that you better see something out of

1377
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: them today or you're going to be hitting the street.

1378
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 2: That's what they That's how they want to be coached.

1379
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: They want to go out and say, yeah, you want

1380
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 2: to see something, I'll show you something. That's what they need.

1381
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: Other guys need their tummy rubbed and little shoulder rubs.

1382
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 2: Say hey, we're here for you. We Once you go

1383
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: out there and do your best, it's going to be okay.

1384
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: And that does it for them. They feel with that.

1385
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: They feel secure in their ability to go out and

1386
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: play free and not worry about making mistakes because somebody's

1387
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: there to rub their tummy and give them a shoulder rub.

1388
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 2: They know that kind of stuff, so don't think Chase

1389
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: Claypool is not going to get the message. He'll get it,

1390
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 2: and so and so will Kean Coleman. They'll get the

1391
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: same message in the and it will be presented in

1392
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: a way that motivates them and gets them and instills

1393
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: them the desire to play hard and play well if

1394
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: they don't see you later. And that's the way it

1395
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: is that This is not in kindergarten. These are the

1396
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 2: sports science involved, team psychologists involved. They give them personality tests,

1397
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: they talk to them, they watch them on film. They

1398
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 2: they get these guys and they do as much as

1399
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: they can to build a culture that makes all these

1400
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 2: guys flourish. That's why, that's why McDermott has a reputation

1401
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: for having guys show up here and be the best

1402
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: they can be and be the best version of we've

1403
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: seen of them. They play hard for him. That's why

1404
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: guys come back after a one year deal becase because

1405
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: they realized about they can look in the mirror and say, man,

1406
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm better here than i am anyplace else. I'm staying

1407
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: that happens, so you are right, Noel in Tomawanda, they

1408
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 2: will give him that message and they're if and I'm

1409
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 2: sure it already has.

1410
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight three, five fifty the number to get on

1411
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 3: board OBL Friday fan mail bag. We're going to head

1412
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 3: back to the phones and we'll go to Mark and

1413
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 3: West senecon X. What's up Mark?

1414
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 11: Hey, guys one of the in my opinion looking from

1415
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 11: the outside, and I can only go by what I

1416
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 11: know of the team and what we think and surmise

1417
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 11: how being and McDermott work. But I don't get the

1418
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 11: signing of Claypool whatsoever. I just he has shown now

1419
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 11: for three for a couple of years, going on his

1420
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 11: fourth team, that he is not Bill's DNA. He does

1421
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 11: not get it that it's a privilege to play in

1422
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 11: the NFL. It's not a right. He's not a worker,

1423
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 11: he's not committed to the game. We're not desperate at

1424
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 11: wide receiver, and we can't even at least looking from

1425
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 11: the outside, and he can't make the determination that he's

1426
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 11: this ultra talented guy and we've got leadership on the

1427
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 11: team that can keep him in line, because you know,

1428
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 11: we've lost so many leaders. And lastly, the last kind

1429
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 11: of person I want around Coleman is a guy like this,

1430
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 11: and he's gonna be in his receiver room if if

1431
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 11: he hangs around so from looking from the outside in,

1432
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 11: I just don't get the signing. This is contrary to

1433
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 11: everything I know about being in McDermott for the six

1434
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 11: years they've been here. I don't know if I'm off

1435
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 11: based on all this, but again, we like workers. We

1436
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 11: like guys who are gonna who are gonna earn it.

1437
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 11: We like guys who are gonna be committed to their job.

1438
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 11: And when the guys are like that and they put

1439
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 11: that personality out there, Bill's mafia embracism loves them. This

1440
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 11: guy seems contrary to all that. Well, that's what I

1441
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 11: have about that.

1442
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: I'll say this, Mark, I don't I can't disagree with you.

1443
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: I do think this does feel out of character for them.

1444
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: It does feel like a guy we know that. Now,

1445
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: there may have been other guys too that have had

1446
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: this kind of pass that key on Coleman. I'm not

1447
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 2: ken that Chase Claypool has had or guys who have

1448
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 2: had problem whatever. Jordan Phillips is an example of that.

1449
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: He had, He had some issues in Miami washed he

1450
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 2: washed out as a second round pick, so same thing,

1451
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 2: a second round pick. So there have been instances where

1452
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: they have done this. But you're right, it seems from

1453
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: where where Brownie and I are sitting here, you know, wherever,

1454
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 2: you know, in proximity to where that is, it does

1455
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: seem out of character and out of character signing. And

1456
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: I think that's why you know, we're we're kind of

1457
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: taking the having the take that we're in. I don't

1458
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 2: think there's any question they're going to have a no

1459
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 2: nonsense discussion and already have with Chase Claypool and his agent.

1460
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 2: And I would probably surmise that if they have spoken

1461
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 2: face to face with him, which it seems they have,

1462
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 2: that he's telling them all the right things they wanted

1463
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: to hear before they even offered him a contract. We'll

1464
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: see if it sticks and if it's the truth. But

1465
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: I would agree with you Mark, it's a fair assessment.

1466
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: This is this doesn't seem and let's do the finger quotes.

1467
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem that right, DNA, Right, it doesn't, but

1468
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 2: I do. There's no investment and there's no risk, and

1469
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: you and I get it. You risk him contaminating other players. Yeah, okay,

1470
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: maybe if he sticks around long enough. But if he

1471
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: sticks around long enough, it's only because he's not doing that. Yeah,

1472
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 2: So have have faith that they're gonna they're gonna ride

1473
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 2: herd on this group and not let it go outside

1474
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 2: the lines.

1475
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I and I think the leash will be

1476
01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 3: short because because of the past history that you spoke of,

1477
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 3: they know what his prior reputation is coming in the door.

1478
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: He's being given a clean slate for now. But I

1479
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 3: think if you go up and down this roster, if

1480
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 3: you had to pick somebody that's got the shortest leash

1481
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 3: and the fewest number of chances, it's probably him right now.

1482
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 3: It's probably him right wrong or indifferent. And I don't

1483
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 3: know that, but I would surmise based on some of

1484
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 3: the stuff that Mark laid out, which is valid and

1485
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 3: it's there in black and white.

1486
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 2: And he may have And listen, when the Bills sit

1487
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 2: down with Chase Claypool, he may have a very different

1488
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 2: narrative about how it's gone for him and how he's

1489
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 2: going to prove it. And if you're and of course

1490
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 2: you sit down and listen, all right, what do you

1491
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: have to say about what happened in Pittsburgh, what happened

1492
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: in Chicago, what happened in Miami? You know, and hear

1493
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 2: what he has to say about it, and if you

1494
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: convince you and tell you how it's going to be

1495
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 2: different and what he can do for us. Okay, here's

1496
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: your contract veteran minimum or whatever it was they signed

1497
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Speaker 2: him to, I don't know, and give you a chance.

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01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 3: Yep, break time for us. Here more of your phone

1499
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 3: calls when we come back, and we'll check a couple

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01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,600
Speaker 3: of those questions in the mail bag on Twitter x

1501
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 3: whatever you call it these days. We're back with more

1502
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 3: here in a second on one Bill's Live Stay with Us.

1503
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 3: Got a crack open the OBL Friday fan mail bag

1504
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 3: on the Twitter side of things, where Jimmy asks Coleman

1505
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 3: works for me as a Gabe Davis replacement. The more

1506
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 3: I think about it, Samuel might just be an equal

1507
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 3: to Diggs, but with a little more yak to his game.

1508
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 3: Do you think Samuel can match or exceed digs of

1509
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 3: yesteryear's production. I think that's a little ambitious, because you're

1510
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: talking about a guy who was one hundred catch a year,

1511
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 3: guy in his best year, fifteen hundred yards and like

1512
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 3: nine or ten touchdown.

1513
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: You're not talking about that though, You're talking about maybe

1514
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 2: an eleven hundred twelve hundred yard year a good year,

1515
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 2: not a fifteen hundred yard year, because that's a special year,

1516
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 2: no question. And I would say Samuel to the first

1517
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: one of the eleven or twelve hundred yards. Absolutely. And

1518
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 2: I'll tell you here's my thing about Curtison, and I

1519
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 2: think a lot of I don't think Bill's fans are

1520
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: high on Curtis Samuel, or at least as high as

1521
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 2: I am.

1522
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 3: I don't think they're familiar with what his skills.

1523
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: Right, say, here's the thing. Here's the quarterbacks that Curtis

1524
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 2: Samuel's been playing with. He was started out in Caroline,

1525
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 2: as we know because Brandon Bean was there when they

1526
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: drafted him. He was with Derek Anderson, will These are

1527
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: his quarterbacks, Derek Anderson, Will Greer, the very last part

1528
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 2: of Cam Newton's career, Teddy Bridgewater, Garrett Gilbert, Kyle Allen,

1529
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: a broken Carson Wentz once he got to Washington, Taylor Heineke,

1530
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett, and Sam Howell. Those are the quarterbacks he's

1531
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: played with.

1532
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 3: And he's got two sixty catch seasons in a fifty

1533
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 3: catch season with those qbs.

1534
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: So I think with regular down and distance and with

1535
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: being a higher priority on the pecking order fifteen hundred yards. Okay,

1536
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,719
Speaker 2: maybe not one hundred and fifteen catch fifteen hundred yard season,

1537
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: but man, oh man, eleven hundred yards ninety five or

1538
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: one hundred and five catches. Yeah, I think so with

1539
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: those kind of opportunities, particularly when you've got a Kincaid

1540
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 2: on the other side, and you know, I still think

1541
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: there's room here for somebody. And I don't know that

1542
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna be Dalton Kincaid automatically, but there's gonna be

1543
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 2: somebody who's gonna lead the team in targets, and it

1544
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 2: may come down to who's on the field the most.

1545
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: Might be Keon Coleman, you know, given his physical stature,

1546
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: but might be Curtis Samuel because of his speed. I mean,

1547
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 2: he's a four to three one guy. Now he's probably

1548
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: not a four to three one guy now with seven

1549
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: years in the league, but he's a lot smarter than

1550
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 2: he was as a four to three guy. So I'm

1551
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, yes, I think there's every reason to

1552
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: believe that the that the vacuum left by Steph Dae

1553
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: is going to be the bulk of it, is going

1554
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: to be filled by Curtis Samuels and with the other

1555
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 2: players that are emerging, with Shakir and Kincaid emerging and

1556
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: along with Keon Coleman. I I just like where they're at.

1557
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 2: I do. I like where the offense is at.

1558
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 3: And this guy as a person is off the charts.

1559
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 3: Maybe not right away, but this is your new leader

1560
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 3: in the receiving room. I firmly believe that just from

1561
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 3: a personality standpoint, I mean, this guy is as good

1562
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 3: as gold. I think the only thing that stands in

1563
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 3: the way of him being more of a true Number

1564
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 3: one is a more democratic approach to the passing game

1565
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 3: as a whole. I don't think we're going to see

1566
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 3: anymore the days where Diggs has one hundred and sixty

1567
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 3: targets and the next guy has eighty, You know what

1568
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: I mean.

1569
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 2: I think there's.

1570
01:20:55,479 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 3: Gonna be a more democratic delineation of targets within the

1571
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 3: scope of this passing game where it's not as where

1572
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: there's not as big a drop from number one target

1573
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 3: guy to number two target guy to number three target guy.

1574
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 2: Right, that may be what. That may be true, but

1575
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 2: I think too it's and it's not as much and

1576
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that's just because of Curtis Samuel. No,

1577
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: I think it's because of kin Kaid and Shakir, those

1578
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 2: guys and the approach that I think, right, those guys

1579
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 2: catch everything, and it's when a quarterback drops back and

1580
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 2: he's thinking about throwing at somebody, he wants somebody. He

1581
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 2: knows that if he's if he's not perfect, it's still

1582
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: going to be a reception, and they gravitate towards receivers

1583
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: like that. So you're, you know, from Jimmy on his

1584
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 2: tweets on the tweet sheet, Yeah, I think Curtis Samuel

1585
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: is probably going to be the guy. At the end

1586
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 2: of this coming season you're gonna look back and say, yeah,

1587
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: he was the guy that really was kind of our

1588
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: digs this year. I don't know what his numbers are

1589
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: going to be, but I'll bet they're going to be

1590
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 2: maybe as good as he's had in his career, probably

1591
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 2: see nificantly better.

1592
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 3: Jack in the mail bag asks being the Bills tight

1593
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 3: ends are more pass catchers, and they've used extra offensive

1594
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 3: linemen like David Edwards and Tommy Doyle is blocking tight ends.

1595
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 3: Could that be a possible roll the envision for Grabel

1596
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 3: or Clayton. Both are very athletic with agility and speed.

1597
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 3: Grabil was a tight end and Clayton has handled a ball.

1598
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: From his rugby background.

1599
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: It's not a bad thought. I don't know if that's

1600
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 3: the only reason you give him a fifty three man

1601
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 3: roster spot. I think it's been very well documented both

1602
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 3: before they became Bill's draft picks and by Brandon Bean

1603
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,799
Speaker 3: that Grabil is still learning on the job at offensive tackle,

1604
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 3: having been a high school quarterback and then a college

1605
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 3: tight end before transitioning to offensive tackle late in his

1606
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 3: college career. And we know Travis Clayton's story coming from

1607
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 3: a rugby background, but that is an intriguing option, especially

1608
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 3: when you get down in goal line. I mean, Spencer

1609
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 3: Brown was a tight end too, Let's not forget that,

1610
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 3: playing eight man football up in Iowa in high school,

1611
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 3: so he's not that far removed from it either. And

1612
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 3: Dion Dawkins has three touchdown catches in his career. I mean,

1613
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 3: so you've got a multitude of guys you could turn to,

1614
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's the end all be all

1615
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 3: that would get them on the roster. I think they

1616
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,480
Speaker 3: have to prove they can play the tackle position primarily,

1617
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 3: but it's an interesting thing it can turn to, you know,

1618
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 3: on a gadget player or a trick play.

1619
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: I'll say this, they're no different than any other position.

1620
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Brady is gonna put If they have

1621
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 2: guys that do that stuff, they're gonna put plays in

1622
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: for them. They may never run them, but there's gonna

1623
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: be a certain situation where Okay, yeah, Clayton's in and

1624
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 2: so's Grable. We're gonna run the you know, like we're

1625
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 2: gonna run the Philly Special in the super Bowl, and

1626
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, Clayton circles back, grabs

1627
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 2: the ball and you got a six seven, three hundred

1628
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 2: pounder coming around the end. Right, it's one of those

1629
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: two players. Arm. Yeah, if you've got guys that can

1630
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: do stuff, it's a coach's ponsibility to find a way

1631
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: to use it.

1632
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, tap into it. Now.

1633
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: That means also, and sometimes this is the reason it

1634
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 2: never happens. If you're gonna put put those two jokers

1635
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 2: in all of a sudden, Kinkaid's off the field, Cooks

1636
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 2: off the field, shakers off the field. Take your pick.

1637
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: You're taking a really good player off the field, and

1638
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 2: you're changing the way the defense sees your offense. So

1639
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,759
Speaker 2: the way that happens, and that's why that stuff doesn't

1640
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: happen because it changes the defensive philosophy so much. Now

1641
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: your play doesn't work, you know, So all that goes

1642
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: into the mix. But if you've got players that can

1643
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 2: do that stuff, they're like, yeah, let's keep that a shot.

1644
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not out of the realm of possibility. Ed

1645
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 3: in the mailbag asks what needs are left to address

1646
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 3: for this Bill's roster before training camp? Might we see

1647
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 3: more moves after June?

1648
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 2: First?

1649
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 3: I think you will provided after looking at this team

1650
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 3: on the field in OTAs, they believe they're short and

1651
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 3: in terms of depth, maybe they feel they had depth

1652
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 3: at a position and then what they see on the

1653
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 3: field doesn't show them that and they feel they have

1654
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 3: to make a change. People think OTAs, you know, it's

1655
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: patty cake and it's not real football and this and that.

1656
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 3: But scouts and personnel departments can make assessments and evaluations

1657
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 3: as Ken coaches by reviewing the practice tape, and it

1658
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 3: becomes readily apparent to them if they have a player

1659
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 3: that they thought would be a fit. And then suddenly

1660
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 3: they deem them not ideal. The personnel department gets to

1661
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 3: work to see if there's something better still on the

1662
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 3: open market. I think it was very evident to the

1663
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 3: Bills last year after OTAs that von Miller was not

1664
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 3: going to be ready for the start of the season.

1665
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 3: What happens in June They signed Leonard Floyd. He as

1666
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,799
Speaker 3: a ten and a half sax season, So those kinds

1667
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 3: of things can precipitate more moves in June.

1668
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 2: And it's also seen him on the field. And you're

1669
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: right some I had one assistant coach and I told

1670
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: you the story a couple of weeks ago, Bill Kohler,

1671
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 2: former defense line coach here in Buffalo. He came up

1672
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 2: to me and said, hey, he goes think. He goes,

1673
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 2: we've got a first round or on a fifth round,

1674
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: or I'll tell you which one can play right now,

1675
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 2: And it was Kyle Williams, the fifth rounder. JO and

1676
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 2: he goes, I can tell you right now. It was

1677
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: after like the first practice. He goes twenty minutes in

1678
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 2: I knew. So there's that kind of stuff going on.

1679
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 2: And it's not just on the field stuff. They got

1680
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 2: these guys in the classroom they're talking to them, and

1681
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 2: they're asking questions and they're talking that. And you got

1682
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: a guy back here asleep in the corner. You know

1683
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: that tells you something, right, And I'm exaggerating to make

1684
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: a point, but you see, you hear the level of

1685
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: knowledge and the engagement and the verbiage and the conversations

1686
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 2: that go on. You know which guys have a chance.

1687
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying anything that Steve doesn't know, but

1688
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 3: the number one thing that gets you on the field

1689
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 3: and keeps you on the field is your coaches trust

1690
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 3: in you that you're gonna know what to do when

1691
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 3: the moment arises and execute. And if they can't trust you,

1692
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 3: not only will you not be on the field, you

1693
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 3: might not be on the roster very long. Got to

1694
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 3: take a break here, but more questions out of the

1695
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 3: mailbag when we return here on One Bill's Lives, Enter

1696
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 3: Boy coll Out of Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. Another

1697
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 3: question or two left here in the mail bag with

1698
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 3: one segment to go here on a Friday edition of

1699
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 3: One Bill's Live, and Phil asks, do we foresee Josh

1700
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 3: doing some passing game work away from Orchard Park this

1701
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 3: offseason to get the new receivers ready. I seem to

1702
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 3: recall him doing that once or twice before. There was

1703
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 3: some talk of that. I don't know if it's come

1704
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 3: to fruition, but I know there was some talk about that,

1705
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 3: and with the turnover on the roster, I think we

1706
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 3: should anticipate it. Oh yeah, I mean the only guy

1707
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 3: that caught a pass room him still on the roster

1708
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 3: at the receiver room is Kaloshakir.

1709
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's an absolute no brain.

1710
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 3: I think I think that will happen.

1711
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll have that'll happen, And even if it may

1712
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,719
Speaker 2: happen here in Orchard Park, certainly, it certainly will at

1713
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 2: all the preseason mini camps and all that stuff, but

1714
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 2: they'll probably get together away from here, away from Buffalo

1715
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: as well. Josh isn't one of the guys that films

1716
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 2: his own workouts, so I don't know. We may not

1717
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: see it on social, but I'm one hundred percent sure

1718
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,440
Speaker 2: that that will probably happen. Yeah.

1719
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 3: Bill's banter asks, what are your thoughts on the Bill's

1720
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 3: approach to the wide receiver position. They seem to be

1721
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 3: casting a pretty wide net with their signings. Yeah, I mean,

1722
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 3: when you're on a tight cap budget, you got to

1723
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: take a shotgun approach and just spray the field. And

1724
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 3: that's what they're doing. I think budgetary signings and a

1725
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 3: draft choice.

1726
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of how you.

1727
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 3: Got to approach it.

1728
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: I'll say this too, there's a I think there's gonna

1729
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 2: be some competition. I think these guys and as a

1730
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,919
Speaker 2: former wide receiver for five seconds in the league myself,

1731
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 2: you're looking around the room going, oh my gosh, there's

1732
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 2: nobody here. As a resigner turning story Khalil, let's go,

1733
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: I got a chance at this. That's the way the

1734
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 2: mentality works. All those guys are in there going, this

1735
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 2: is my chance. I'm gonna go. So there's gonna be

1736
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 2: some really motivated wide receivers working for Josh Curtis.

1737
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 3: Samuel was the only guy that was a heavy investment

1738
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 3: at the position this entire offseason, maybe with the exception

1739
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 3: of Keyon Coleman, who was the top draft choice. Eric

1740
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 3: quickly says, what player knew are returning? Do you think

1741
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 3: is gonna make the biggest leap from the prior year?

1742
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 3: Kincaid For me, yeah, that would be my pick on offense.

1743
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 3: This opportunities for me defense man. I don't know, might

1744
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 3: be a little tougher to pick that one. I'm trying

1745
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 3: to roll it through my head really fast because I

1746
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,440
Speaker 3: don't how about Kyrie elim.

1747
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: Ooh, I like that, Kyer Eli like that.

1748
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 3: I think we'll go with that one. That's it for

1749
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 3: us for this week. We'll catch you next week, same

1750
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 3: bad time, same bad channel.

1751
01:29:52,320 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 2: Enjoy the weekend, everybody, he