WEBVTT - DE-FUND THE TRUMP DICTATORSHIP - 10.27.25

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio Breaking News.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump does not own the White House. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>does not own the United States of America. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>does not own the world. Nothing Trump has done in

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<v Speaker 1>sending in thugs and military to attack people that did

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<v Speaker 1>not vote for him in cities and states that do

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<v Speaker 1>not support him is legal. Nothing Trump has done in

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<v Speaker 1>having his nosferatu Stephen Miller threatened Governor Pritzker of Illinois

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<v Speaker 1>with seditious conspiracy is legal. Nothing Trump has done in

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<v Speaker 1>his attempt to begin ethnic cleansing of Hispanics in this

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<v Speaker 1>country Gestapo like raids, kidnappings, deportations is legal. Nothing Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has done in sending so called election monitors to interfere

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<v Speaker 1>in the voting in California and Jersey on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>the MAGA is legal. Nothing Trump has done to enable

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<v Speaker 1>the passive self neutering of the House and Senate is legal.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing Trump has done to let him say, supposedly jokingly

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<v Speaker 1>for The New York Times yesterday, I'm the Speaker and

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<v Speaker 1>the President is legal. Nothing Trump has done in his

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<v Speaker 1>demolition against destruction of attack on the East Wing of

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<v Speaker 1>the White House is legal. Nothing Trump has done in

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<v Speaker 1>murdering citizens of other nations in international waters without evidence

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<v Speaker 1>and without a declaration of war, without any congressional oversight.

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<v Speaker 1>None of that is legal. Nothing he has done to

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<v Speaker 1>send battleships to Latin America is legal. Nothing he has

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<v Speaker 1>done to accept money from international sources for himself and

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<v Speaker 1>his family is legal. Nothing he has done to try

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<v Speaker 1>to buy the election for the fascist Malay in Argentina

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<v Speaker 1>is legal. Nothing Trump has done in selling one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty million dollars worth of influence in the army

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<v Speaker 1>to someone aptly described as a weirdo Nepo baby is legal.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost nothing about the Trump administration, about his presidency, about

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<v Speaker 1>his forming unilateral dictatorship, is legal, and thus it is

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<v Speaker 1>time to cut him off financially, to take the one

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<v Speaker 1>measure that will force an end to this trumpion madness

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<v Speaker 1>for the Blue States to follow up on Governor Newsom's suggestion,

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<v Speaker 1>on the suggestion of others including me in this forum,

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<v Speaker 1>and stop transmitting federal taxes from the States to the

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<v Speaker 1>National Treasury until Trump resigns as president period. We must

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<v Speaker 1>have a state led tax payment boycott, and it must

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<v Speaker 1>be led by governors and other state officials, so that

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<v Speaker 1>there can be no attempt by Trump or his enablers

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<v Speaker 1>and flunkies and whorees to prosecute or further threaten democracy

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<v Speaker 1>loving civilians. For more than our two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years as a nation, we have proudly recited the phrase

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<v Speaker 1>no taxation without representation, and it is pastime to apply

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<v Speaker 1>it here. And it is essential that governors like Newsom

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<v Speaker 1>and Pritzker and Hokel and others in the majority states

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<v Speaker 1>protect their citizens who are being subject to taxation without

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<v Speaker 1>representation and without democracy, and for them the governors to

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<v Speaker 1>take responsibility for these acts. The state of California must

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<v Speaker 1>refuse to send any funds it can control to Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>The state of Illinois must refuse to send any funds

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<v Speaker 1>it can control to Washington. The state of New York

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<v Speaker 1>must refuse to send any funds it can control to Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it wrecks the world economy, so be it.

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<v Speaker 1>That will be better than what we have now and

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<v Speaker 1>what is coming under Trump. Donald Trump is now a

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<v Speaker 1>rogue dictator. He is almost completely and fully outside the law.

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<v Speaker 1>He is engorging himself with public funds. He is insisting

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<v Speaker 1>the government fix the twenty twenty election when it was

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<v Speaker 1>his government and everybody he has demanded be prosecuted for it,

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<v Speaker 1>except as FBI director was not in the government in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. That's how effing crazy this ass whole is.

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<v Speaker 1>He is destroying not just government buildings without any legal authorization,

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<v Speaker 1>He is destroying symbols of the American nation without any

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<v Speaker 1>legal authorization. He is deranging our public discourse. He is

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<v Speaker 1>destroying our public safety. He is threatening the lives of

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in this country and the only that works in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, money used as a weapon must be used

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<v Speaker 1>to freeze him where he stands so that this nation

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<v Speaker 1>can roll back the years and decades of damage he

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<v Speaker 1>has done. Now now, now dfund Donald Trump. That quote

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned from the New York Times story yesterday, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the speaker and the president, mister Trump has joked.

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<v Speaker 1>According to two people who heard the remark, that may

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<v Speaker 1>be the least surprising news item of the year. But

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<v Speaker 1>seeing Maga go on the record in that Time story,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Bannon is quoted. Representatives Kylie and Van Dine are

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<v Speaker 1>quoted seeing him go on the record to carve up

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<v Speaker 1>Mike tiny flaccid Johnson suggests Trump is not only forcing

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<v Speaker 1>this impotent Johnson to do all the dirty work, but

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<v Speaker 1>then blaming him for the inevitable results. I have no

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<v Speaker 1>sympathy for Johnson. This is the hell he has created

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<v Speaker 1>for himself. It's just interesting, as in, He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>throw Johnson overboard soon, isn't he. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>through all that again with the Speaker of the House. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the headline today should not be that. It should be

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<v Speaker 1>this story that Trump is sending election observers to New

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey and California. It's straight up Jim Crow Southern voter intimidation.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can understand and give a pass to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it's difficult to pick out the headline from

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<v Speaker 1>this kaleidoscope of shit Trump drops on us all every day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm beginning to suspect the video was not AI hell,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't lead with the election observers. Plus, it is

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<v Speaker 1>tough when you realize Trump announces he's building an arc

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<v Speaker 1>the election observers in a moment, let's let's let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk arc. I don't know if he's crazy enough to

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<v Speaker 1>think he's building Noah's arc. I don't know if he's

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<v Speaker 1>crazy enough to think he's building a space arc like

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<v Speaker 1>Musk wants. I don't know if he's crazy enough to

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<v Speaker 1>think the word arch A R C H, common everyday

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<v Speaker 1>English word like the thing he wants to build to

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<v Speaker 1>march troops through in DC. The arc to Trump, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know which crazy it is. He thinks it's arc

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<v Speaker 1>as in French, but it's arch. But he says he's

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<v Speaker 1>building an R and he's going to illegally spend some

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<v Speaker 1>of the illegal money for the illegal ballroom on this

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<v Speaker 1>illegal arc. You think I'm exaggerating.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're building the arc, and maybe we use

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<v Speaker 2>it for the arc. Looks like we might. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be building the arc now. We've raised

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money for the ballroom, so maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>But the ARC is going to be incredible for Washington, DCA,

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe we use it for the arc.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're building an arc, hi, buddy? Okay, how many

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<v Speaker 1>things a week does Trump say that we get anybody

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<v Speaker 1>else in this country forcibly committed. Then there is the

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<v Speaker 1>latest on the ballroom and the destruction of part of

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<v Speaker 1>the White House. You know, Trump bringing to fruition the

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven terrorist plot of Osama bin Laden the

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<v Speaker 1>new ballroom and airplane hangar. It's going to cost two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million. Oh no, t oh no, three hundred Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I said three hundred and fifty. But it's privately funded

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<v Speaker 1>with corporate bribes, meaning it's fine because it's privately funded.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course No Kings is a communist plot because

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<v Speaker 1>some of the logistics for it were privately funded. Privately

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<v Speaker 1>funded communism. Plus, what is the problem about how much

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna cost? A woman named Cheryl Cassone on Fox,

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<v Speaker 1>who once was an actual CNBC business reporter and is

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<v Speaker 1>now at the I'll say anything to stay in the

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<v Speaker 1>TV business stage, emitted this perfectly symmetrical sophistry in defense

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<v Speaker 1>of what are certain to be endless cost overruns on

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<v Speaker 1>the only building big enough to house Trump's ego quote

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<v Speaker 1>that going after him about the cost. Initially he said

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be two hundred million. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>like three hundred million. Oh no, construction cost, You're higher

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<v Speaker 1>than what the original budget or quote was shocking. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>call the National Guard in give me a break unquote

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<v Speaker 1>national Guard, you say, miss Cassone. Interesting reference. Trump does

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<v Speaker 1>call in the National Guard for everything else. Why isn't

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<v Speaker 1>he calling in the National Guard here? It's only fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent over the cost Social Security has been

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<v Speaker 1>cut passive aggressively. Starting in January, the cost of living

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<v Speaker 1>adjustment will be two point eight percent. The average annual

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<v Speaker 1>increase in the last decade had been three point one percent,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's ten percent less and with inflation at three percent,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has just made seventy one million Americans ten percent poor.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventeen million Americans will pay thirty percent more for the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump version of Obamacare. He makes billionss arches and ballrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>We pay thousands. We sent twenty billion to try to

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<v Speaker 1>save Milay of Argentina without even getting a guarantee that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to get a grown up haircut, one that

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<v Speaker 1>would make him not look like the late great comedian

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<v Speaker 1>Marty Allen. Google Marty Allen. It'll be worth it. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's declared he can kill people at whim, murder them,

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<v Speaker 1>but happily they're just foreigners right now. Anyway, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are declaring war against these cartels, and Congress is likely

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<v Speaker 1>to approve of that process, why not just ask for

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<v Speaker 1>a declaration of war.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think we're going to necessarily ask for

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<v Speaker 2>a declaration of war. I think we're just going to

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<v Speaker 2>kill people that are bringing drugs into our country. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to kill them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're going to be like dead. He can't.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, those will be war crimes. All the

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<v Speaker 1>next president has to do is turn him over to

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<v Speaker 1>the International Court. I really would like to see one

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<v Speaker 1>of the hopefuls on the democratic side swear right now

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<v Speaker 1>that they will turn him over to the international Court.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole idea about moderation and don't run against Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is bullshit. It is deliberately designed by people whose money

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the infrastructure of politics continuing unchanged. Doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>if we're fascist, communist, democratic, doesn't matter who's in charge,

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<v Speaker 1>just as long as all of their jobs at the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post still exists or at the State Department. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a deep state. It is not nefarious. It is

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<v Speaker 1>simply self preserving. Do not say, oh, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>be moderate Democrats, don't run against Trump. The guy who

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<v Speaker 1>says I will put Trump behind bars, come hell or

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<v Speaker 1>high water is the one who gets the nomination. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm using guy generally. Man, woman, I don't care. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of which, there's Harmeit Dillon, who also should be turned

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<v Speaker 1>over to the International Court. One of the worst of

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<v Speaker 1>the Trumpsts, a tenth rate lawyer used to represent Tulsey

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<v Speaker 1>skunk Air Gabbard is now in charge of civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>at the DOJ that would be protecting white people from

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<v Speaker 1>laws the civil rights It's her department that will be

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<v Speaker 1>asked to monitor polling sites in Passaic County, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>and five California counties La, Orange, Kern, Riverside, and Fresno

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<v Speaker 1>to quote insure transparency, ballot security and compliance with federal law.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, those counties that did not vote Republican

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<v Speaker 1>and Trump wants monitors there will they be accompanied by

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<v Speaker 1>the National Guard, and the monitors and whoever is with

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<v Speaker 1>them will intimidate Democratic voters. Just a coincidence that California

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<v Speaker 1>will be voting on redrawing the election map. In recent elections,

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<v Speaker 1>we have received reports of irregularities in these counties that

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<v Speaker 1>we fear will undermine either the willingness of voters to

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<v Speaker 1>participate in the election or their confidence in the announced

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<v Speaker 1>results of the election, writes the MAGA GOP chairwoman Korn

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<v Speaker 1>Rankin of California. I'll translate that from MAGA to English.

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<v Speaker 1>The irregularities are Republicans can't win in those counties. There

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<v Speaker 1>aren't enough of them. This is how voting works. You

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<v Speaker 1>have more votes, you win. So the translation is we

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<v Speaker 1>can't win, so we have to fix the election. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to send election observers into New Jersey to find

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<v Speaker 1>out why the Republicans keep running candidates even worse than

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats find in New Jersey, I'll listen to that intervention.

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<v Speaker 1>As to California, korn Rankin, shove it up up your ass.

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<v Speaker 1>One note from twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>The DOJ wanted to send monitors to actual troubled voting areas.

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<v Speaker 1>They were prevented prevented by local officials local Republican officials

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<v Speaker 1>in Missouri and Florida. As to California and Jersey, governor's

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<v Speaker 1>Newsom and Murphy should get on the jump here, call

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<v Speaker 1>out the National Guard in their states and arrest the

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<v Speaker 1>quote election observers as soon as they get off the plane,

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<v Speaker 1>or if they're not going by plane, climb out of

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<v Speaker 1>the closest HARMEI Dylan Sewer in a totally different kind

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<v Speaker 1>of election observation Here is my observation about the main

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<v Speaker 1>Senate election. Graham Plattner had to drop out last week.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not. He has to drop out even more

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Yes, he has a Nazi tattoo. He's covered

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Now, the Nazi tattoo did not bother as

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<v Speaker 1>many many people as I thought it was gonna. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to admit surprise there. I'm not easily surprised anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But how about this? Does this bother anybody? It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like he lied about not knowing it was a Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>symbol in his tattoo on his body. Get out. His

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<v Speaker 1>supporters renounced him, including Bernie Sanders, renounce Graham Plattner. Graham

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<v Speaker 1>Platner has no judgment, no hesitation to lie his way

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<v Speaker 1>out of a problem. We already have enough people like that.

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<v Speaker 1>CNN reported that he knew about it more than a

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<v Speaker 1>decade ago, talked about it, wrote about it online. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just read the k file report quote. Jewish Insider first

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<v Speaker 1>reported about the former acquaintance who recalled Platner referring to

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<v Speaker 1>the image as my totin cough unquote in a joking way.

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<v Speaker 1>More than a decade ago. CNN spoke with that same

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<v Speaker 1>acquaintance who reiterated the recollection. CNN also spoke with an

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<v Speaker 1>acquaintance of Platner for more than a decade ago, who

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<v Speaker 1>said Platner spoke about his tattoo resembling a Nazi symbol.

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<v Speaker 1>A second person told CNN that they learned of the

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo years ago from the acquaintance, who told them that

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<v Speaker 1>Platner had described it as a Nazi style design. CNN

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<v Speaker 1>also reviewed a text chain between the acquaintance and another

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<v Speaker 1>person discussing Platner's Nazi liank tattoo several months ago before

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<v Speaker 1>the story became public, using to continue the CNN report

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<v Speaker 1>his longtime Reddit handle p Hustle. The former Marine infantryryman

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<v Speaker 1>and future Democratic Senate hopeful, also argued in a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty online discussion that SS lightning bolt tattoos were a

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<v Speaker 1>culture marker within Marine Scout sniper units, not an expression

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<v Speaker 1>of white supremacist ideology. When commenters in the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thread described the lightning bolts as a Nazi or racist symbol,

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<v Speaker 1>Platnir dismissed the criticism, writing that outsiders quote have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what they're talking about, and added I will be

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<v Speaker 1>sure to inform the black guys I know with bolts

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<v Speaker 1>that they're Nazis now, so the symbol he didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>was believed to be was interpreted as was a Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>symbol he was denying was a Nazi symbol five years

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<v Speaker 1>ago and making reference to the word Nazi. If somehow

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<v Speaker 1>you still don't think this is disqualifying or that there's

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of other explanation, let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy's response to the story breaking was to cover

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<v Speaker 1>it up figuratively first then literally, So what's the next story,

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<v Speaker 1>and what's he going to do about that story? And

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<v Speaker 1>who knows that story? Right now? Who knows that story

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<v Speaker 1>and is just saving it so it can be used

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<v Speaker 1>at the right moment to give us another six years

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<v Speaker 1>of Susan fing Collins Now another edition of It's called

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<v Speaker 1>a news medium because it's neither rare nor well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Maher, Olivia newsy Comcast, Cheryl Hines, Brett Bhar, Brett

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<v Speaker 1>Behar first to CBS to do the CBS Evening News,

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<v Speaker 1>the latest ratings at Fox for the Brett Baer News

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<v Speaker 1>Propaganda caston eight hundred and sixty two thousand viewers. Latest

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<v Speaker 1>CBS Evening News viewership three million, six hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand. If there is one move to make to

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<v Speaker 1>kill off the CBS Evening News before the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, maybe it is to alienate the audience which

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<v Speaker 1>agrees with its producers, whether or not you or I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Aliena the audience which agrees with its producers that the

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<v Speaker 1>CBS Evening News is a good and politically accurate or

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<v Speaker 1>politically neutral newscast. Alienate them by putting on someone scene

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<v Speaker 1>as a right wing nutjob who is quoted in the

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuits which Fox had to settle for umpteen million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>as an unapologetic, utterly biased right wing propagandist. TV executives

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<v Speaker 1>experienced TV executives, not the dozens of Barry Weiss's who

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<v Speaker 1>have been put in charge only to fail almost immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who come and go every eighteen months or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere in television. They have always believed that an audience

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<v Speaker 1>can be picked up and moved from one network to

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<v Speaker 1>the other without losing any viewers. It's madness. This is

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<v Speaker 1>why they hired Megan Kelly at NBC. Look at all

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<v Speaker 1>those viewers will get years before they'd hired Rita from

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News on the weekends and said, look at her

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<v Speaker 1>numbers on the weekends. They're bigger than our numbers on

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<v Speaker 1>the week We'll put her on MSNBC and she'll get

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<v Speaker 1>those numbers. She didn't get those numbers because she was

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<v Speaker 1>any good. She got those numbers because she was on Fox.

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<v Speaker 1>It is madness. We're gonna move that audience from one

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<v Speaker 1>network to another. We're gonna move Brett Beher's audience to CBS.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like deciding you're gonna move a river by picking

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<v Speaker 1>up the water in the palms of your hands. Thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, when ESPN launched ESPN two, the thought was

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<v Speaker 1>all the younger viewers in America, all the sports fans

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<v Speaker 1>under say thirty five, they're gonna go watch the new

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<v Speaker 1>hip ESPN two. You can tell it's hip, it has

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<v Speaker 1>two in it. Well, just before we launched ESPN two,

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<v Speaker 1>the executive who postulated this, who, by the way, was

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<v Speaker 1>not originally television. He was a newspaper and magazine guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He had many good eydea is, but probably ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>out of one hundred of them were disasters. The other

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<v Speaker 1>three put them in the Hall of fame. But this

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<v Speaker 1>executive postulated that it would be a great idea that

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<v Speaker 1>we should start a network for fans under thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked me if I knew which program in all

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<v Speaker 1>of television Hall already had that audience. Which program, he

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<v Speaker 1>asked me, in all of television has the audience with

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<v Speaker 1>the highest percentage of its viewers who are under thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I assumed that had to be some show

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<v Speaker 1>on MTV, and the executive laughed and proudly said, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's your show, the eleven PM SportsCenter. I thought for

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<v Speaker 1>a second, and then I said, wait, that's the show

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<v Speaker 1>you're taking me off to go do this You already have.

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<v Speaker 1>We already have the audience under the age of thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're watching me on the show I'm doing now.

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<v Speaker 1>They live at SportsCenter, and you're going to start at

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN two, and you're kicking them out of SportsCenter and

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<v Speaker 1>kicking me out of SportsCenter and expecting us to go

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<v Speaker 1>watch this new thing. Most of them don't even get

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<v Speaker 1>on their cable systems. You already have these viewers, and

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<v Speaker 1>you just told them to get lost, and you just

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<v Speaker 1>paid me more money to go do this other show

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<v Speaker 1>to get the audience we already have. He paused, and

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<v Speaker 1>then a blank look crossed his face, which was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>blank to begin with, and he said, hmm, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to go make a few phone calls. I was back

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<v Speaker 1>on SportsCenter seven months later. I know Bret Bhar a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. He's not a journalist. He thinks he's a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>He might be tempted to go anchor the CBS Evening

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<v Speaker 1>News because Cronkite did, unless he thinks about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>while he is not a journalist, he's also not a moron.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not convinced I can say that about Barry

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<v Speaker 1>Weiss and the people who just took over CBS News, who,

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<v Speaker 1>if they put a right wing ideologue in the anchor chair,

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<v Speaker 1>will be able to lose even more money more quickly

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<v Speaker 1>than anybody believes possible. Meanwhile, over at NBC, Comcast has

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<v Speaker 1>been identified as one of the firms playing for Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>ballroom and memorial airplane hangar, paying and playing, but playing

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<v Speaker 1>that makes NBC News and MSNBC and CNBC and all

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<v Speaker 1>the rest untrustworthy. That is what Bob Eiger bought for

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<v Speaker 1>ABC News. Then he swerved away somewhat anyway over the

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<v Speaker 1>Kimmel and Disney plus subscriptions disaster. He may have avoided

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<v Speaker 1>the acts CBS has not. It already went there irretrievably.

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<v Speaker 1>But the question is comcast in. They're right on the precipice.

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<v Speaker 1>Does a company, especially a company that does news for

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<v Speaker 1>money in many different venues, does it have the right

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<v Speaker 1>to pay a bribe in order to avoid unjustifiable and

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<v Speaker 1>retaliatory prosecution. I'm not sure the answer is no. If

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<v Speaker 1>there is no other way to save yourself from getting shot,

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<v Speaker 1>do you give the hold up man the money? The

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<v Speaker 1>key is, is there no other way? Bill Maher In

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Mayor's race, my old college frenemie has

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<v Speaker 1>endorsed the sheep in sheep's clothing. Andrew Cuomo may not

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<v Speaker 1>be that exciting, mar said, and that inspirational, but for

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<v Speaker 1>a party that said we want to go back to normal,

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of normal. Yeah, yeah, Bill, You hear the

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<v Speaker 1>word normal a lot when people mention Cuomo. Guests then

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out that Cuomo resigned as governor of New York.

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<v Speaker 1>A federal investigation concluded that he had been a sex

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<v Speaker 1>pest or worse to at least thirteen female staffers. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>there were all those dead people in the nursing homes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not normal for a governor. Bill mar said, Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>I did my own research before having Cuomo on his show.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote a lot of it's kind of bullshit. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he was a little too handsy, a little too Italian,

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<v Speaker 1>a little too touchy. You know. Why would Bill Maher

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<v Speaker 1>defend Cuomo and dismiss all of that and those thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>women with the phrase maybe he was a little too handsy. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>take a guess. Also, it's time to confess for the

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<v Speaker 1>last six or seven years that I would go to

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<v Speaker 1>LA to appear on Bill Mahers show, like the yearsenty

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<v Speaker 1>ten to twenty seventeen, I did it. I did it because,

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<v Speaker 1>as many of my fellow guests would admit to one another,

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<v Speaker 1>but only out of earshot. Maybe we're in the parking

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<v Speaker 1>lot going to have a smoke or something. We went

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<v Speaker 1>because because they spent money, they would fly us round

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<v Speaker 1>trip from the East Coast first class. Hell. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to plan my business trips and vacations around it. I'm sorry. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the hands the part when I went on

0:27:39.355 --> 0:27:43.035
<v Speaker 1>his old ABC show. An acquaintance who was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the producers who had called me and asked me to

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<v Speaker 1>be on it, told me, whatever I did, do not

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<v Speaker 1>shake Bill's hand before we taped. He's he's probably uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Took her a long time to get the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>her remark out. He he's probably uh just warmed up,

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<v Speaker 1>if you get my meaning. But they flew us first

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<v Speaker 1>class on the same subject and not the airplane part.

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<v Speaker 1>How do insane confidence men and alleged on camera masturbators

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<v Speaker 1>like Robert Kennedy Junior survive? Let alone succeed because a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people on the fringes do nothing about him. One

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<v Speaker 1>of those people is Cheryl Hines. She went on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast of the Almost as Strange, wife of Stephen Miller

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<v Speaker 1>Katie Miller, who asked her about quote rumors or speculation

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<v Speaker 1>about her marriage. Miller was asking about how much her

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<v Speaker 1>husband f surround.

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<v Speaker 2>Ms.

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<v Speaker 1>Hines, who I do not know, answered in perfect Stepford

0:28:56.795 --> 0:28:59.715
<v Speaker 1>wife manner. I think you always have to consider the source, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where I start. Then Miller asked about my

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<v Speaker 1>ex Olivia. The denial doubled quote. Bobby had been running

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<v Speaker 1>for president and it was an exhausting year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half of headlines and rumors and articles in chaos, and

0:29:13.595 --> 0:29:16.275
<v Speaker 1>at that time I thought, Okay, this is more chaos

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<v Speaker 1>and more rumors, and it was a lot. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know this person, don't know their intentions. I could guess,

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<v Speaker 1>but I won't, but you can if you want. Cheryl

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter if you know her. It matters that Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>knows her and how he knows her. How close to

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<v Speaker 1>the Biblical knows is this? And consider the source. You're

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<v Speaker 1>married to Bobby Kennedy Junior, possibly the worst source in

0:29:52.155 --> 0:30:00.875
<v Speaker 1>America next to Trump. But consider the source. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think perhaps I've noted here that I'm not attacking

0:30:06.155 --> 0:30:09.435
<v Speaker 1>my ex, but I'm certainly not carrying water for her.

0:30:09.475 --> 0:30:12.955
<v Speaker 1>But consider the there's a publisher putting out her book.

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<v Speaker 1>The publisher can be sued if any of her allegations

0:30:16.795 --> 0:30:18.715
<v Speaker 1>are untrue, and she is going to go into the

0:30:18.755 --> 0:30:23.155
<v Speaker 1>whole Kennedy thing. And then there's her more recent ex

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<v Speaker 1>whom she did sue, who she tried to get arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>and then something happened and suddenly she wasn't suing him,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was quote leaving her job, and oh, the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI was no longer involved, and we all know what

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<v Speaker 1>that something had happened had to have been to get

0:30:39.755 --> 0:30:44.755
<v Speaker 1>her to drop all the theatrics. That's something that had

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<v Speaker 1>to have happened that provided all those exquisite details and

0:30:48.475 --> 0:30:54.195
<v Speaker 1>quotes about her interactions with Kennedy and all the I

0:30:54.275 --> 0:30:59.435
<v Speaker 1>want to impregnate you stuff and the other stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>led me to say, I'm still grossed out. And I

0:31:01.875 --> 0:31:09.875
<v Speaker 1>lived with her for three years. Somebody has a transcript

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<v Speaker 1>of or more likely a recording of them on on

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<v Speaker 1>FaceTime or some part of the body time. Hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>also of interest here, Anna Paulina Luna? Could she be

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<v Speaker 1>the dumbest Republican congresswoman? What do your rankings look like?

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<v Speaker 1>How is your bracket? Could she really be dimmer than McCain,

0:31:49.795 --> 0:31:54.795
<v Speaker 1>McLain that was a Freudian slip, Bobert Green and the others?

0:31:55.395 --> 0:31:58.635
<v Speaker 1>Could she be dumber than them combined? Let's ask the

0:31:58.635 --> 0:32:03.555
<v Speaker 1>California congressman with whom Anna Paulina Luna had an online

0:32:03.595 --> 0:32:06.595
<v Speaker 1>fight over the funds for No Kings. All right, we

0:32:06.795 --> 0:32:09.795
<v Speaker 1>can't ask the California congressman with whom she had an

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<v Speaker 1>online fight over the funding for No Kings Because, unbeknownst

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<v Speaker 1>to Anna Paulina Luna, the California congressman with whom she

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<v Speaker 1>had an online fight over the funding for No Kings,

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<v Speaker 1>does not actually exist. He's a satirical character and she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know this. That's next. This is Countdown. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown with Keith Oberman still ahead on this episode of Countdown.

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<v Speaker 1>The anniversary was last week, in fact, the twenty fifth anniversary,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was during the World Series. And today this

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<v Speaker 1>is still during the World Series. And after a number

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<v Speaker 1>of years in which this saga had cooled in importance,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to have reasserted itself as a part of baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>Loar that I was in the middle of the night

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Clemens of the New York Yankees, through Mike Piazza

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<v Speaker 1>of the New York Mets, broken bat at Mike Piazza

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<v Speaker 1>during the World Series, or didn't throw it at him,

0:33:32.195 --> 0:33:35.515
<v Speaker 1>or threw it at me in the Yankee dugout. And

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<v Speaker 1>it all ends with Mike Piazza threatening to sue me.

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<v Speaker 1>And next in Things I promised not to tell but

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<v Speaker 1>so long that I will start it immediately after the

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<v Speaker 1>end of Worse Persons, Then there'll be a commercial and

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<v Speaker 1>then part two. First Believe it or Not there are

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<v Speaker 1>still more new idiots to talk about the roundup of

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<v Speaker 1>the miscreants, morons and Dunn Kruger effects specimens who constitute

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<v Speaker 1>two Day's other worst persons in the world World. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a tie at bronze for worse Ice in DC

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<v Speaker 1>with Oh no, you want details. American Isis arrested a

0:34:16.755 --> 0:34:21.595
<v Speaker 1>man named Sam O'Hara in a raid in DC at

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<v Speaker 1>Logan Circle. He was arrested for playing Darth Vader's theme music.

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<v Speaker 1>The Imperial March arrested. The ACLU has sued on his

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<v Speaker 1>behalf because guess what, satire is still legal. Also, if

0:34:40.795 --> 0:34:44.355
<v Speaker 1>you're wearing masks, how do we know you're not members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Imperial thing? From Star Wars. But it's what

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<v Speaker 1>they wrote about Ice that I'm quoting here point four.

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<v Speaker 1>The law might have tolerated government conduct of this sort

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<v Speaker 1>a long time ago in a galaxy far far away,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the here and now, the First Amendment bars

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<v Speaker 1>of government officials from shutting down peaceful protests, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. I just like the formal use of the

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<v Speaker 1>only part of Star Wars I stayed to see. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at the guy who walked out in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven. I'm not saying I was physically triggered. I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't really. It did give me a headache. I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't like it. But I still find the reference

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<v Speaker 1>to it in illegal Action reassuringly funny. We may all

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<v Speaker 1>be making our jokes inside concentration camps where the guards

0:35:36.075 --> 0:35:40.115
<v Speaker 1>where logos with Donald Trump's face on them, but at

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<v Speaker 1>least we'll still be having fun. That's tied with somebody

0:35:43.835 --> 0:35:46.955
<v Speaker 1>who'll be there in her little Ilsis she Wolf of

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<v Speaker 1>the SS outfit? Kaylee mcinaney smiling all the way through.

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylee macinaney, one of Trump's lying, lying lawyer and laying

0:35:58.155 --> 0:36:05.795
<v Speaker 1>things gefflingen Flungen Kaylee macinaney, one of Trump's lying liars

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<v Speaker 1>from the first time around. No, I'm not doing a

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<v Speaker 1>second take on this, smiling all the way through as

0:36:14.595 --> 0:36:20.675
<v Speaker 1>she always does, because Jesus saydist This is the reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to Trump trashing the economy, particularly the economy for food,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the economy for lower income television viewers and the

0:36:29.035 --> 0:36:33.155
<v Speaker 1>elderly people like my age and older who watch a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Fox News. Not that I do, but they do,

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<v Speaker 1>and smiling all the way through this I cannot possibly

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<v Speaker 1>even if I played this clip and risked a lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>from Fox in playing it, I could not possibly possibly

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<v Speaker 1>convey to you Kayley mcinnaney's desperate smile all the way

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<v Speaker 1>through this everything sign they have a gun of my work.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna shoot. They're gonna put me in the concentration

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<v Speaker 1>crip too, Kaylee mcinnaney quote one tried and true brand

0:37:08.355 --> 0:37:11.995
<v Speaker 1>is making a big comeback as consumers tighten their wallets.

0:37:12.755 --> 0:37:17.395
<v Speaker 1>Hamburger Helper, the mix of mac and cheese and ground

0:37:17.435 --> 0:37:22.435
<v Speaker 1>beef is seeing a surge in sales. Isn't that great?

0:37:22.915 --> 0:37:26.555
<v Speaker 1>People are starving to death already. Isn't that great? And

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<v Speaker 1>you helped Daily mcahaney the runner up, the priceless Anna

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<v Speaker 1>Paulina Luna, who, if she did not exist, would have

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<v Speaker 1>to be created. This may be the dumbest person in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I keep going back and forth among the

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<v Speaker 1>various members of the House of Representatives, in the Republican Caucus,

0:37:47.475 --> 0:37:51.435
<v Speaker 1>in the House, in the Senate, and I keep saying, no, no, Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still Bobert, No, No, It's it's McLean from Michigan,

0:37:57.595 --> 0:38:00.635
<v Speaker 1>who once demonstrated in the past week the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>there were protesters. She demonstrated this by moving her arm arms.

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<v Speaker 1>She bawled up her fists and did her little arm march.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa McClean absolute IQ none detected but the original one maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Paulina my Hoff Luna. Anna Paulina posted this at Rep.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Kimball asked me for receipts, but blocked me before

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<v Speaker 1>I could respond. Weird flex So here are the receipts.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Paulina Luna posted that there were receipts showing the

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<v Speaker 1>No King's protests were backed by dollars signed two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ninety four million by the Sarrows Foundation buffet. I

0:38:51.115 --> 0:38:58.395
<v Speaker 1>presume Jimmy Aclu indivisible and planned parenthood. This wasn't grassroots,

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<v Speaker 1>It was a billionaire funded. She doesn't say what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>She just has a picture of herself grabbing my mind

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<v Speaker 1>and looking intently like her car is on fire in

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot. And this Rep. Jack Kimball of the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty fourth District of California wrote, this is large. Anna

0:39:16.635 --> 0:39:19.835
<v Speaker 1>Paulina has foung proof that No Kings marchers were paid

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<v Speaker 1>nearly forty two cents each for participating. So she reposted

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<v Speaker 1>all of this a screenshot of what Jack Kimball wrote

0:39:29.835 --> 0:39:33.195
<v Speaker 1>in response to hers and just turned it into a

0:39:33.195 --> 0:39:37.595
<v Speaker 1>fight and said that Jack Kimball asked her for receipts,

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<v Speaker 1>which he did not. But the most interesting part, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is there is no representative Jack Kimball. The giveaway is, Anna,

0:39:46.555 --> 0:39:51.035
<v Speaker 1>you never met him, and he's supposedly a Republican and

0:39:51.075 --> 0:39:53.595
<v Speaker 1>he's from the fifty fourth district of California. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know for people like Anna Paulina Luna, the number fifty

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<v Speaker 1>four is might as well be the same as two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety four million. It's an inestimably large number.

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<v Speaker 1>It's double or triple her IQ fifty four the fifty fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no fifty fourth congressional district. Jack Kimball is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the oldest satirical accounts on Twitter x and

0:40:18.555 --> 0:40:22.995
<v Speaker 1>she fell for it. But a screenshot is forever Congratulations

0:40:23.035 --> 0:40:28.515
<v Speaker 1>on reclaiming your crown. Here's your crown, moron, but our

0:40:28.555 --> 0:40:34.115
<v Speaker 1>winner as always Cuomo. I'm sure you heard something about this.

0:40:35.835 --> 0:40:40.755
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Cuomo's self defenestration campaign continues apace, right down to

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<v Speaker 1>election day. He's going to make sure that nobody in

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<v Speaker 1>the city of New York, other than possibly in Staten Island,

0:40:47.035 --> 0:40:50.995
<v Speaker 1>thinks well of him. Ever again, he will bring down

0:40:51.075 --> 0:40:53.595
<v Speaker 1>his brother, who is already pretty much down as it is.

0:40:53.755 --> 0:40:56.475
<v Speaker 1>He will bring down his late father's name. There will

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<v Speaker 1>be a bid to remove his late father's name from

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<v Speaker 1>what is actually the tap and Z Bridge connecting Terrytown,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, and Rockland County across the Hudson. They will

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<v Speaker 1>do it. He is destroying the Cuomo family name, and

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<v Speaker 1>his father was actually a very good governor Andrew Cuomo.

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<v Speaker 1>According to reporter Nick Garber, talking to conservative radio host

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<v Speaker 1>sid Rosenberg this morning, sid Rosenberg, you may have seen

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<v Speaker 1>has the darkest ten of anybody who was not injured

0:41:24.235 --> 0:41:30.715
<v Speaker 1>in some sort of radiation accident. Cuomo asked this in

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<v Speaker 1>an interview about the man who's going to defeat him

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<v Speaker 1>in the mayoral election, as he defeated him in the

0:41:35.155 --> 0:41:41.395
<v Speaker 1>mayoral primary. Zoraon Mamdani quote, God forbid another nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine ma'm donni in the seat, sid Rosenberg,

0:41:47.195 --> 0:41:53.715
<v Speaker 1>scumbag looks like a burn victim. Sid Rosenberg replies, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be cheering. Cuomo paused and chuckled before saying that's another problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I was here on nine to eleven, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>here in the months after nine to eleven, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have been here, in fact in this city. I got

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<v Speaker 1>back from Los Angeles in late June or the beginning

0:42:11.955 --> 0:42:13.635
<v Speaker 1>of July of two thousand and one, and I have

0:42:13.755 --> 0:42:17.155
<v Speaker 1>lived here ever since without interruption. I don't think I've

0:42:17.155 --> 0:42:19.395
<v Speaker 1>been away for more than three weeks at a span

0:42:19.595 --> 0:42:23.275
<v Speaker 1>since then. And the one thing that has not happened

0:42:23.275 --> 0:42:27.435
<v Speaker 1>in this city since then has been problems created by

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<v Speaker 1>people of the Muslim faith of all the religions in

0:42:31.075 --> 0:42:33.355
<v Speaker 1>this city that have done the most to try to

0:42:33.395 --> 0:42:36.515
<v Speaker 1>outreach to other groups, to try to heal the wounds,

0:42:36.555 --> 0:42:41.555
<v Speaker 1>and practically speaking, to invest their money in the areas

0:42:41.595 --> 0:42:45.515
<v Speaker 1>that were blighted after nine to eleven. Members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic faith. I just I don't get the enmity. It's

0:42:51.515 --> 0:42:55.715
<v Speaker 1>probably from people who were not adults on nine to eleven,

0:42:56.515 --> 0:42:59.795
<v Speaker 1>who have now conflated everything because of scumbags like Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and scumbags like Andrew Cromo. Andrew Como is not a Democrat.

0:43:06.835 --> 0:43:09.475
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he's a Republican. I don't know

0:43:09.475 --> 0:43:12.235
<v Speaker 1>if he has any convictions whatsoever. Though I think he

0:43:12.275 --> 0:43:15.715
<v Speaker 1>should have been convicted of something. I just think to

0:43:15.835 --> 0:43:17.915
<v Speaker 1>say this about somebody who is likely to be the

0:43:17.915 --> 0:43:20.675
<v Speaker 1>next mayor of New York indicates a total lack of

0:43:20.715 --> 0:43:26.715
<v Speaker 1>responsibility or interest in anybody alive except himself. I think

0:43:26.755 --> 0:43:29.515
<v Speaker 1>he should go to hell. All I know for sure

0:43:29.555 --> 0:43:32.795
<v Speaker 1>about his convictions and how you would describe Andrew Cuomo

0:43:32.995 --> 0:43:38.075
<v Speaker 1>is the following. He is Andrew Cuomo two Day's worst

0:43:38.355 --> 0:43:52.675
<v Speaker 1>person in the world. Before the World Series ends, I

0:43:52.715 --> 0:43:54.915
<v Speaker 1>have to tell this thing I promise not to tell,

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<v Speaker 1>because by the time of the next one of these segments,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how long it lasts, the World Series will

0:43:59.835 --> 0:44:02.435
<v Speaker 1>be over. So here is our number one story things

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<v Speaker 1>I promise not to tell my favorite topic me and

0:44:06.715 --> 0:44:08.595
<v Speaker 1>the series will be over, which is more than I

0:44:08.595 --> 0:44:11.395
<v Speaker 1>can say for this story, which is chronologically and in

0:44:11.515 --> 0:44:14.875
<v Speaker 1>terms of storytelling time, the longest one of these I

0:44:14.915 --> 0:44:18.835
<v Speaker 1>can not only imagine having told, but ever telling. It

0:44:18.955 --> 0:44:22.675
<v Speaker 1>started on the night of October twenty second, two thousand

0:44:23.275 --> 0:44:25.995
<v Speaker 1>and it ended well. I'll let you know if and

0:44:25.995 --> 0:44:29.115
<v Speaker 1>when it ever ends. I was enjoying the second night

0:44:29.155 --> 0:44:32.115
<v Speaker 1>of one of my childhood dreams come true. I was

0:44:32.235 --> 0:44:35.075
<v Speaker 1>the host, not just of the telecast of the World Series.

0:44:35.275 --> 0:44:37.635
<v Speaker 1>But it was an all New York City series, a

0:44:37.675 --> 0:44:42.155
<v Speaker 1>Mets versus Yankee series, a subway series. I'd literally dreamt

0:44:42.155 --> 0:44:45.715
<v Speaker 1>of it since nineteen sixty seven. The manager of the

0:44:45.795 --> 0:44:48.955
<v Speaker 1>Yankees had been the first person I ever interviewed on TV.

0:44:49.555 --> 0:44:52.435
<v Speaker 1>Fifteen years earlier, I had worked with him in TV.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a friend of mine. I had just covered

0:44:55.475 --> 0:44:57.635
<v Speaker 1>the Mets through their playoff run and knew all of

0:44:57.675 --> 0:45:00.795
<v Speaker 1>their players. My face had been on an advertisement in

0:45:00.875 --> 0:45:03.835
<v Speaker 1>dead center field in the Mets Stadium for the entirety

0:45:03.915 --> 0:45:06.315
<v Speaker 1>of the year before, and the players all knew me

0:45:06.395 --> 0:45:10.315
<v Speaker 1>my name. Where we were that night, Yankee Stadium was

0:45:10.355 --> 0:45:12.515
<v Speaker 1>not only where I saw my first baseball game, but

0:45:12.635 --> 0:45:15.115
<v Speaker 1>was about seven eighths of a mile from the hospital

0:45:15.115 --> 0:45:18.355
<v Speaker 1>in which I had been born, and my first home

0:45:18.995 --> 0:45:23.675
<v Speaker 1>was four subway stops away. The night before this event,

0:45:23.755 --> 0:45:25.675
<v Speaker 1>as I hosted the start of the first game of

0:45:25.715 --> 0:45:28.795
<v Speaker 1>this Keith of palooza, I was supposed to introduce the

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<v Speaker 1>public address announcer of Yankee Stadium, Bob Sheppard, whose voice

0:45:32.915 --> 0:45:35.795
<v Speaker 1>I had heard nearly every day since I was eight

0:45:35.875 --> 0:45:38.955
<v Speaker 1>years old, so he could then introduce the players and

0:45:38.995 --> 0:45:41.315
<v Speaker 1>this epic World Series would begin, and it dawned on

0:45:41.395 --> 0:45:43.995
<v Speaker 1>me in the seconds before I was supposed to do

0:45:44.035 --> 0:45:47.395
<v Speaker 1>this that I literally had the power to stop the

0:45:47.435 --> 0:45:50.595
<v Speaker 1>two thousand World Series from ever happening if I just

0:45:50.715 --> 0:45:55.875
<v Speaker 1>kept talking and never actually said, here is Bob Shephard. Well,

0:45:55.915 --> 0:45:57.915
<v Speaker 1>I could delay it briefly until they cut my mic

0:45:57.995 --> 0:46:00.315
<v Speaker 1>off and then fired me on the spot. Anyway, this

0:46:00.475 --> 0:46:03.795
<v Speaker 1>was Game two, and now that our pregame show was over,

0:46:03.835 --> 0:46:05.995
<v Speaker 1>and I had waved to my mother, who had seen

0:46:06.035 --> 0:46:09.235
<v Speaker 1>her first game at Yankee Stadium just ooh sixty six

0:46:09.315 --> 0:46:12.155
<v Speaker 1>years previously, and she was seated in the family seats

0:46:12.155 --> 0:46:15.155
<v Speaker 1>that were just nine rows up from our on field set.

0:46:15.835 --> 0:46:18.035
<v Speaker 1>I had crawled into the position I would assume for

0:46:18.075 --> 0:46:21.315
<v Speaker 1>the entire game as the dugout reporter. I was hunched

0:46:21.315 --> 0:46:24.115
<v Speaker 1>over on a stool, squeezed between the far end of

0:46:24.155 --> 0:46:27.475
<v Speaker 1>the Yankee dugout and our Fox Sports first base camera.

0:46:27.955 --> 0:46:31.515
<v Speaker 1>A thin chicken wire fence separated me from the dugout himself.

0:46:31.875 --> 0:46:34.155
<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was a formality. I was more or

0:46:34.235 --> 0:46:37.115
<v Speaker 1>less in the dugout players, coaches, and that night, as

0:46:37.115 --> 0:46:39.235
<v Speaker 1>I settled in, my friend, the Yankee manager, all came

0:46:39.275 --> 0:46:43.395
<v Speaker 1>over to say hello. Roger Clemens of the Yankees, who

0:46:43.395 --> 0:46:45.675
<v Speaker 1>I had also known since we were both rookies in

0:46:45.755 --> 0:46:49.955
<v Speaker 1>Boston Sports in nineteen eighty four. He lasted, I didn't

0:46:50.515 --> 0:46:53.235
<v Speaker 1>Roger Clemens had struck out the first two Mets hitters.

0:46:53.675 --> 0:46:56.115
<v Speaker 1>Clemens was a strange man about whom I had heard

0:46:56.155 --> 0:46:59.475
<v Speaker 1>a strange tale of teammates in a college summer baseball

0:46:59.555 --> 0:47:03.395
<v Speaker 1>league who were all wearing their wallets in their uniform

0:47:03.515 --> 0:47:07.235
<v Speaker 1>pants back pockets during a game because one of them

0:47:07.275 --> 0:47:09.835
<v Speaker 1>explained to a friend of mine, we have this crazy

0:47:09.915 --> 0:47:12.355
<v Speaker 1>kid Clemens from Texas on this team, and we don't

0:47:12.395 --> 0:47:16.515
<v Speaker 1>trust him. In Boston, I had found him a little nervous,

0:47:16.995 --> 0:47:20.435
<v Speaker 1>little standoffish, but doing his best to be professional. But

0:47:20.595 --> 0:47:24.155
<v Speaker 1>by now there were rumors swirling around Roger Clemens about

0:47:24.155 --> 0:47:27.635
<v Speaker 1>amphetamines and performance enhancing drugs, and you knew not to

0:47:27.715 --> 0:47:29.915
<v Speaker 1>talk to him before or after a game unless you

0:47:29.995 --> 0:47:32.235
<v Speaker 1>had to, and if you had to, you chose your

0:47:32.275 --> 0:47:35.875
<v Speaker 1>words very carefully, then made sure that whatever you did,

0:47:35.915 --> 0:47:39.115
<v Speaker 1>you had to start with something mundane, like the score

0:47:39.155 --> 0:47:42.035
<v Speaker 1>of the game, and if you could let him bring

0:47:42.155 --> 0:47:47.395
<v Speaker 1>up anything controversial or complex, he would then probably do it.

0:47:48.315 --> 0:47:51.115
<v Speaker 1>So now, as this game continued, after two batters had

0:47:51.115 --> 0:47:54.675
<v Speaker 1>struck out, Lee Mazzilli, the former Mets star now Yankees coach,

0:47:54.715 --> 0:47:56.795
<v Speaker 1>another friend of mine, was on the other side of

0:47:57.275 --> 0:48:00.875
<v Speaker 1>a little fence, and as Mets superstar Mike Piazza stepped

0:48:00.915 --> 0:48:03.115
<v Speaker 1>in as the third batter of the game, Mozilly leaned

0:48:03.155 --> 0:48:06.675
<v Speaker 1>in and said, conspiratorily, let's see if Roger flips him again.

0:48:07.475 --> 0:48:10.675
<v Speaker 1>In Midsummer two thousand, Roger Clemens had beamed Mike Piazza

0:48:10.675 --> 0:48:14.915
<v Speaker 1>with a fastball. There was a hospital visit involved. Nobody

0:48:14.995 --> 0:48:17.595
<v Speaker 1>was convinced it had not been intentional, or that Clemens

0:48:17.635 --> 0:48:19.075
<v Speaker 1>would not do it again, even though it was the

0:48:19.115 --> 0:48:23.155
<v Speaker 1>World Series. Mozilli and I leaned forward. Piazza was a

0:48:23.155 --> 0:48:26.475
<v Speaker 1>deeply complicated guy too. During the playoffs, he had walked

0:48:26.555 --> 0:48:27.835
<v Speaker 1>up to me and asked me if it was true

0:48:27.875 --> 0:48:29.515
<v Speaker 1>I was from New York, and then he quizzed me

0:48:29.515 --> 0:48:31.755
<v Speaker 1>about the relative merits of the suburbs, and then he

0:48:31.795 --> 0:48:33.955
<v Speaker 1>wanted to know if I had really taken up residence

0:48:34.315 --> 0:48:37.235
<v Speaker 1>in his favorite southern California hotel, and we talked for

0:48:37.315 --> 0:48:40.715
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes about that. The next night I saw him smiled,

0:48:40.755 --> 0:48:42.755
<v Speaker 1>said heloon, and he looked at me like I had

0:48:42.835 --> 0:48:46.675
<v Speaker 1>just sworn a vendetta against his family. For a long

0:48:46.715 --> 0:48:49.315
<v Speaker 1>time I thought it was me until about ten years later,

0:48:49.595 --> 0:48:52.595
<v Speaker 1>the great Vin Scully said that Piazza was with the Dodgers,

0:48:53.155 --> 0:48:55.555
<v Speaker 1>and when they were both together there in Los Angeles,

0:48:55.795 --> 0:48:58.955
<v Speaker 1>Vin had had the identical experience with Piazza. Best friends

0:48:58.955 --> 0:49:02.075
<v Speaker 1>on the team bus one day, and then no indication

0:49:02.195 --> 0:49:05.035
<v Speaker 1>Piazza remembered even meeting him the next I mean that

0:49:05.155 --> 0:49:09.035
<v Speaker 1>was Ben Sculley. Clemens, as it turned out, did not

0:49:09.195 --> 0:49:12.275
<v Speaker 1>throw a baseball at Piazza, but instead pitched him inside

0:49:12.275 --> 0:49:15.115
<v Speaker 1>in on his hands, and Piazza tried to stop a

0:49:15.155 --> 0:49:18.235
<v Speaker 1>swing that was half self defense, but instead the odd

0:49:18.275 --> 0:49:21.195
<v Speaker 1>angle and the force of the pitch shattered Piazza's bat.

0:49:21.635 --> 0:49:24.195
<v Speaker 1>The ball veered to the right, describing a circle into

0:49:24.195 --> 0:49:27.555
<v Speaker 1>foul territory. The head of the bat shot out towards

0:49:27.555 --> 0:49:31.635
<v Speaker 1>Clemens on the mound. A second piece flew briefly into

0:49:31.635 --> 0:49:34.995
<v Speaker 1>the infield. Piazza was left holding just the handle, and

0:49:35.035 --> 0:49:37.635
<v Speaker 1>it looked as foolish as that sounds. But lost in

0:49:37.635 --> 0:49:39.595
<v Speaker 1>this description is the fact that all happened at once,

0:49:40.195 --> 0:49:43.155
<v Speaker 1>and even from our signe angle in the Yankee dugout

0:49:43.195 --> 0:49:46.195
<v Speaker 1>it looked to Mozillion me as if Piazza's bat had

0:49:46.195 --> 0:49:50.435
<v Speaker 1>simply exploded, like it was a trick device of some sort.

0:49:51.115 --> 0:49:54.115
<v Speaker 1>I saw Clemens reach for the baseball. I thought it

0:49:54.155 --> 0:49:56.235
<v Speaker 1>was the baseball right in front of him, and then

0:49:56.355 --> 0:49:58.675
<v Speaker 1>just as quickly he and I at the same moment,

0:49:58.835 --> 0:50:01.155
<v Speaker 1>realized it was not the baseball. It was the barrel

0:50:01.195 --> 0:50:03.635
<v Speaker 1>of the bat, which was slightly rounded, just a little

0:50:03.715 --> 0:50:05.955
<v Speaker 1>darker than a baseball, but could in the heat of

0:50:05.995 --> 0:50:09.955
<v Speaker 1>an instant following a bat explosion, it could be mistaken

0:50:09.995 --> 0:50:14.675
<v Speaker 1>for a ball. So far, so good. But right then Clemens,

0:50:14.915 --> 0:50:17.835
<v Speaker 1>realizing it was part of a bat and not a ball,

0:50:17.955 --> 0:50:22.595
<v Speaker 1>promptly threw that part of the bat at me. Jesus Mas,

0:50:22.875 --> 0:50:25.075
<v Speaker 1>I said to Mizilly, why did Clemens throw that bat

0:50:25.115 --> 0:50:28.355
<v Speaker 1>barrel at me? The Yankee coach looked incredulously at me.

0:50:28.395 --> 0:50:29.875
<v Speaker 1>He didn't throw it you. He threw it at me.

0:50:31.195 --> 0:50:34.515
<v Speaker 1>That's what it looked like. We were lined up perfectly.

0:50:34.755 --> 0:50:38.115
<v Speaker 1>Roger Clemens had thrown the barrel of Mike Piazza's bat, say,

0:50:38.195 --> 0:50:40.915
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty feet instead of just six or

0:50:40.955 --> 0:50:44.155
<v Speaker 1>seven feet, he would have hit either me or Lee

0:50:44.275 --> 0:50:48.595
<v Speaker 1>Mozilly in the Yankee dugout as it was, since nobody

0:50:48.635 --> 0:50:51.955
<v Speaker 1>knew exactly what was happening. Piazza had started to run

0:50:51.995 --> 0:50:54.915
<v Speaker 1>down to first base in case the ball was fair.

0:50:54.995 --> 0:50:57.315
<v Speaker 1>He didn't know where the ball was either. For that

0:50:57.515 --> 0:51:02.355
<v Speaker 1>initial split second, you really couldn't tell which flying object

0:51:02.475 --> 0:51:05.435
<v Speaker 1>was the ball, and also whether the ball was fair

0:51:05.675 --> 0:51:10.595
<v Speaker 1>or foul. So Roger Clemens's throw certainly looked like it

0:51:10.635 --> 0:51:13.475
<v Speaker 1>was aimed at Piazza as Piazza went down the first

0:51:13.515 --> 0:51:16.835
<v Speaker 1>baseline and as Piazza took umbrage, and there was another

0:51:16.875 --> 0:51:19.355
<v Speaker 1>split second of confusion when it looked like Piazza might

0:51:19.435 --> 0:51:21.635
<v Speaker 1>charge out to the mound to try to sock Clemens

0:51:21.715 --> 0:51:25.035
<v Speaker 1>for this and for the Midsummer beating. I said to Missilly, wait,

0:51:25.395 --> 0:51:29.715
<v Speaker 1>did he throw that bat at Piazza? Miszilly just shook

0:51:29.715 --> 0:51:32.715
<v Speaker 1>his head. I don't think so. Whun hell knows. He's

0:51:32.715 --> 0:51:34.835
<v Speaker 1>been here two years. I haven't figured out anything he's

0:51:34.835 --> 0:51:38.995
<v Speaker 1>done so far. As the umpires then got involved, Clemens

0:51:39.075 --> 0:51:42.875
<v Speaker 1>repeatedly tapped his own chest, and not in a bragging way,

0:51:42.955 --> 0:51:45.595
<v Speaker 1>but in a kind of what looked like that's on

0:51:45.875 --> 0:51:49.635
<v Speaker 1>me way. Two bat boys collected the three main pieces

0:51:49.635 --> 0:51:51.835
<v Speaker 1>of the bat and a bunch of smaller shards, some

0:51:51.875 --> 0:51:54.995
<v Speaker 1>of them smaller than a toothpick. The Fox play by

0:51:55.035 --> 0:51:57.795
<v Speaker 1>play man threw it to me in the dugout well,

0:51:57.835 --> 0:51:59.635
<v Speaker 1>I said, I can tell you the Yankee dugout doesn't

0:51:59.675 --> 0:52:03.275
<v Speaker 1>know what happened or why. Joe Missilly laughed quietly and

0:52:03.275 --> 0:52:04.595
<v Speaker 1>then hit me in the arm. While I was on

0:52:04.595 --> 0:52:07.275
<v Speaker 1>the air, I postulated that Clemens was looking for a

0:52:07.315 --> 0:52:10.115
<v Speaker 1>ball hit back to him, instead found the piece of

0:52:10.115 --> 0:52:12.435
<v Speaker 1>the bat, and then discarded that piece of the bats

0:52:12.395 --> 0:52:15.155
<v Speaker 1>so he could keep looking for the ball. That he discarded,

0:52:15.195 --> 0:52:18.475
<v Speaker 1>it kind of where Piazza was running, might have been delivered,

0:52:18.635 --> 0:52:21.835
<v Speaker 1>might have been a coincidence. I do remember suggesting that

0:52:22.115 --> 0:52:25.315
<v Speaker 1>if Clemens had really aimed the bat at Piazza, that

0:52:25.395 --> 0:52:28.395
<v Speaker 1>from that distance, with the strength and accuracy of a

0:52:28.435 --> 0:52:30.835
<v Speaker 1>major league pitcher, he clearly would have hit him with it.

0:52:31.795 --> 0:52:34.315
<v Speaker 1>Piazza then promptly grounded out to end the inning, and

0:52:34.355 --> 0:52:37.195
<v Speaker 1>as Clemens came back towards the Yankee dugout where Mozilly

0:52:37.195 --> 0:52:40.075
<v Speaker 1>and I were, he again stopped to talk to the umpire,

0:52:40.075 --> 0:52:43.475
<v Speaker 1>who was Charlie Reliford. Over the noise of fifty six

0:52:43.555 --> 0:52:46.195
<v Speaker 1>thousand fans, at Yankee Stadium. I couldn't hear a damn thing,

0:52:46.475 --> 0:52:49.195
<v Speaker 1>but it sure looked like Clemens was again saying that

0:52:49.475 --> 0:52:52.275
<v Speaker 1>was on me. I asked Mizillly if he could find

0:52:52.275 --> 0:52:54.315
<v Speaker 1>out if that's what Clemens was doing, And half an

0:52:54.355 --> 0:52:57.475
<v Speaker 1>inning later, Missilly reported that Clemens indeed thought for a

0:52:57.475 --> 0:52:59.515
<v Speaker 1>second it was the ball, and that he threw it,

0:52:59.795 --> 0:53:01.475
<v Speaker 1>and that it was on him, and that it was

0:53:01.515 --> 0:53:05.435
<v Speaker 1>not intentional and it was not directed at Piazza. Now

0:53:05.475 --> 0:53:08.155
<v Speaker 1>I did something kind of stupid. I suggested to my

0:53:08.315 --> 0:53:11.835
<v Speaker 1>bosses that I should go ask the commissioner Baseball, who

0:53:11.875 --> 0:53:14.235
<v Speaker 1>in a World Series game had the power to eject

0:53:14.275 --> 0:53:17.035
<v Speaker 1>any player for any reason, although that power had not

0:53:17.075 --> 0:53:20.195
<v Speaker 1>actually been used since nineteen thirty four. What he thought

0:53:20.235 --> 0:53:23.315
<v Speaker 1>of all this? The producer said yes, And I thought

0:53:23.675 --> 0:53:27.075
<v Speaker 1>me and my big mouth, I now had to crawl

0:53:27.155 --> 0:53:30.195
<v Speaker 1>out of that little space between camera and dugout, and

0:53:30.235 --> 0:53:34.755
<v Speaker 1>I mean literally crawl hands and knees to exit back

0:53:34.875 --> 0:53:38.275
<v Speaker 1>into the seats via where the groundskeepers kept all the

0:53:38.395 --> 0:53:42.035
<v Speaker 1>extra dirt. I knew where in the stands the commissioner

0:53:42.075 --> 0:53:44.755
<v Speaker 1>was sitting. I went there. I got to him, I

0:53:44.875 --> 0:53:47.715
<v Speaker 1>asked him. He assured me there was no discipline coming

0:53:47.715 --> 0:53:49.755
<v Speaker 1>for Clemens, and they'd look at the tape of the

0:53:49.795 --> 0:53:51.795
<v Speaker 1>game again that night or in the morning. But he

0:53:51.835 --> 0:53:54.035
<v Speaker 1>really didn't think Clemens had tried to hit Piazza with

0:53:54.075 --> 0:53:56.115
<v Speaker 1>the bat. Well, they would look at the tape and

0:53:56.155 --> 0:53:58.235
<v Speaker 1>they decided both that Clemens did not try to hit

0:53:58.275 --> 0:54:01.235
<v Speaker 1>Piazza with the bat and that he should be fined

0:54:01.275 --> 0:54:05.035
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand dollars for I don't know, not trying to

0:54:05.075 --> 0:54:08.035
<v Speaker 1>hit him with the bat. So I made it back

0:54:08.075 --> 0:54:11.715
<v Speaker 1>to the dugout, reversing my crawl like I was recreating

0:54:11.755 --> 0:54:15.955
<v Speaker 1>the movie The Great Escape. As it turned out, Piazza's

0:54:15.995 --> 0:54:18.555
<v Speaker 1>little squib shot that caused all the trouble with the

0:54:18.635 --> 0:54:21.675
<v Speaker 1>exploding bat was about the hardest thing they hit off

0:54:21.715 --> 0:54:25.155
<v Speaker 1>Clemens all night. Over eight innings, he struck out nine

0:54:25.235 --> 0:54:28.315
<v Speaker 1>Mets batters, he walked none, he gave up only two hits,

0:54:28.355 --> 0:54:31.515
<v Speaker 1>and he only hit one batter. And then, incredibly, after

0:54:31.555 --> 0:54:35.115
<v Speaker 1>Clemens left the game, the Yankees almost blew a six

0:54:35.115 --> 0:54:38.275
<v Speaker 1>to nothing lead. In the ninth inning, a Met outfielder

0:54:38.355 --> 0:54:41.435
<v Speaker 1>named Jay Payton hit a three run homer off future

0:54:41.475 --> 0:54:44.595
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Famer Mariano Rivera, and the Mets had a

0:54:44.675 --> 0:54:47.475
<v Speaker 1>chance to tie the game or go ahead off Rivera

0:54:47.555 --> 0:54:49.675
<v Speaker 1>in the top of the ninth and then he got

0:54:49.675 --> 0:54:50.955
<v Speaker 1>out of it, and the final score was six to

0:54:51.035 --> 0:54:53.355
<v Speaker 1>five Yankees. And with the game over now it was

0:54:53.755 --> 0:54:57.835
<v Speaker 1>Keith interviews Clemens' time. I went to the pre arranged

0:54:57.915 --> 0:55:00.195
<v Speaker 1>spot at the other end of the Yankee dugout, where

0:55:00.235 --> 0:55:03.715
<v Speaker 1>another friend of mine, the Yankees PR director, had guaranteed

0:55:03.755 --> 0:55:05.795
<v Speaker 1>me he would go in get Clemens and they would

0:55:05.795 --> 0:55:09.115
<v Speaker 1>emerge after Clemens left the clubhouse to do what was

0:55:09.395 --> 0:55:15.275
<v Speaker 1>a contractually obligated interview with Fox and me. Apparently, Roger

0:55:15.315 --> 0:55:17.835
<v Speaker 1>Clemens started making his way towards me the moment the

0:55:17.915 --> 0:55:21.875
<v Speaker 1>Yankees finally won that game. Unfortunately, at that exact moment,

0:55:22.515 --> 0:55:26.595
<v Speaker 1>security closed the only runway from the Yankee dugout to

0:55:26.675 --> 0:55:29.755
<v Speaker 1>the clubhouse so that a dignitary could use it as

0:55:29.795 --> 0:55:35.915
<v Speaker 1>an exit from his seats. The dignitary was Mayor Rudolph Giuliani,

0:55:36.555 --> 0:55:41.115
<v Speaker 1>noted front running Yankees fan and ticket freeloader. And while

0:55:41.155 --> 0:55:43.915
<v Speaker 1>Fox literally delayed the start of every newscast on every

0:55:43.955 --> 0:55:45.795
<v Speaker 1>one of its stations in the country, even on the

0:55:45.795 --> 0:55:48.715
<v Speaker 1>West Coast, and Joe Buck and Tim McCarver kept showing

0:55:48.755 --> 0:55:52.355
<v Speaker 1>replays again and again, and promising my interview with Roger Clemens,

0:55:53.035 --> 0:55:57.355
<v Speaker 1>Rudy Giuliani took his goddamn time leaving the field. His

0:55:57.515 --> 0:56:00.675
<v Speaker 1>idiot son Andrew grabbed some dirt from the field. I

0:56:00.715 --> 0:56:03.315
<v Speaker 1>half expected him to eat it. Instead, he stuffed it

0:56:03.355 --> 0:56:08.155
<v Speaker 1>in his jacket pockets. Giuliani now waited for his entire entourage,

0:56:08.595 --> 0:56:11.475
<v Speaker 1>one of his wives, some of his I guess they

0:56:11.475 --> 0:56:15.795
<v Speaker 1>were friends, assorted political riff raff, and as my producer

0:56:15.915 --> 0:56:19.915
<v Speaker 1>screamed in my ear, where is Clemens? Giuliani waited until

0:56:19.955 --> 0:56:23.435
<v Speaker 1>they were all together on the field, and finally he

0:56:23.515 --> 0:56:26.035
<v Speaker 1>marched them down into the dugout and up through the runway.

0:56:26.595 --> 0:56:29.995
<v Speaker 1>And after all this delay, Clemens came out and finally

0:56:30.035 --> 0:56:32.315
<v Speaker 1>I could ask him about throwing the bat shard at

0:56:32.435 --> 0:56:35.915
<v Speaker 1>or near piazza. And at that moment I remembered what

0:56:35.955 --> 0:56:38.635
<v Speaker 1>I had learned about Clemens in Boston. If you started

0:56:38.675 --> 0:56:43.555
<v Speaker 1>an interview with something controversial, he might very well walk away. If,

0:56:43.595 --> 0:56:46.875
<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, you did the boring game outcome question,

0:56:46.955 --> 0:56:48.955
<v Speaker 1>he would answer anything you asked, and he might even

0:56:48.955 --> 0:56:51.475
<v Speaker 1>bring up anything controversial himself. But you had to do

0:56:51.835 --> 0:56:56.755
<v Speaker 1>the stupid game stuff first, So which was harder work. Roger,

0:56:56.915 --> 0:56:59.795
<v Speaker 1>I asked eight innings of two hit ball or watching

0:56:59.875 --> 0:57:02.915
<v Speaker 1>the Mets nearly tie it in the ninth. His answer

0:57:02.995 --> 0:57:04.635
<v Speaker 1>was not bad, but he did not bring up the bat.

0:57:04.795 --> 0:57:07.075
<v Speaker 1>So I asked another question about what he thought of

0:57:07.115 --> 0:57:09.795
<v Speaker 1>his performance in that game. Well, that did it. He

0:57:09.875 --> 0:57:13.555
<v Speaker 1>started talking about having to overcome his emotions in the

0:57:13.595 --> 0:57:15.675
<v Speaker 1>first inning, and now I could say, well, since you

0:57:15.755 --> 0:57:19.755
<v Speaker 1>brought up the emotions the bat throwing incident, did you

0:57:19.835 --> 0:57:23.315
<v Speaker 1>throw that piece of broken bat at Mike Piazza. There

0:57:23.355 --> 0:57:25.835
<v Speaker 1>is a freeze frame from that interview in which Roger

0:57:25.875 --> 0:57:31.795
<v Speaker 1>Clemens eyes are bugged wide open. Well, Glemons basically confirmed

0:57:31.795 --> 0:57:33.555
<v Speaker 1>what the guys in the dugout had told me. He

0:57:33.635 --> 0:57:35.675
<v Speaker 1>had told them. You can believe him or not, but

0:57:35.795 --> 0:57:38.235
<v Speaker 1>he thought the thing he grabbed was the ball, and

0:57:38.275 --> 0:57:40.595
<v Speaker 1>when it wasn't, he threw it away just in case

0:57:40.635 --> 0:57:42.675
<v Speaker 1>the ball was somewhere else near him and he had

0:57:42.715 --> 0:57:44.875
<v Speaker 1>to have a free hand with which to pick it up.

0:57:45.395 --> 0:57:47.675
<v Speaker 1>He explained the chest taps he was indeed saying to

0:57:47.715 --> 0:57:51.955
<v Speaker 1>the umpire Umpire Charlie, as Clemens called him, accompanying his

0:57:52.035 --> 0:57:54.315
<v Speaker 1>apologies to the umps for throwing the bat. He said

0:57:54.355 --> 0:57:56.395
<v Speaker 1>he didn't even know where Piazza was at the point

0:57:56.435 --> 0:58:00.155
<v Speaker 1>he threw the bat. It was as straight and nonpartisan

0:58:00.315 --> 0:58:05.195
<v Speaker 1>and frankly, as informative an interview as I've ever conducted. Meanwhile,

0:58:05.755 --> 0:58:09.435
<v Speaker 1>everybody else in that stadium, everybody else in that city,

0:58:09.795 --> 0:58:12.835
<v Speaker 1>everybody else in the Tri State area, was convinced of

0:58:12.915 --> 0:58:15.915
<v Speaker 1>one of only two things. Roger Clemens had tried to

0:58:15.955 --> 0:58:19.955
<v Speaker 1>impale Mike Piazza with a shard of his own bat,

0:58:20.635 --> 0:58:23.715
<v Speaker 1>or the Mets were crybabies who could not tell that

0:58:23.755 --> 0:58:26.715
<v Speaker 1>Clemens obviously did not try to impale Mike Piazza with

0:58:26.715 --> 0:58:30.555
<v Speaker 1>his own bat. There was no middle ground. I found

0:58:30.555 --> 0:58:33.755
<v Speaker 1>this out specifically the next day when the TV sports

0:58:33.755 --> 0:58:36.075
<v Speaker 1>columnist of the New York Times, Rich Sandomir, who was

0:58:36.115 --> 0:58:38.915
<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine, called to interview me about the interview.

0:58:39.155 --> 0:58:41.315
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you ask him about the bat first? Nobody

0:58:41.315 --> 0:58:44.555
<v Speaker 1>cared about how he pitched he threw a bat Piazza.

0:58:45.355 --> 0:58:48.155
<v Speaker 1>I said, you're a Met fan, and I explained the

0:58:48.155 --> 0:58:50.595
<v Speaker 1>theory of not making Clemens end an interview before he

0:58:50.635 --> 0:58:52.275
<v Speaker 1>said what you needed to know. I went through the

0:58:52.275 --> 0:58:55.035
<v Speaker 1>whole thing I just recited here. It was amazing to

0:58:55.075 --> 0:58:59.675
<v Speaker 1>see those few days, how every sports reporter and columnist

0:58:59.795 --> 0:59:02.955
<v Speaker 1>in New York self identified as either a Met fan

0:59:03.075 --> 0:59:05.715
<v Speaker 1>or ex Met fan, or a Yankee fan or ex

0:59:05.795 --> 0:59:08.715
<v Speaker 1>Yankee fan. And you can still see it today as

0:59:08.795 --> 0:59:12.035
<v Speaker 1>this story from twenty two years ago is recollected by others.

0:59:12.835 --> 0:59:17.315
<v Speaker 1>They wrote what they felt as kids Clemens was the victim,

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<v Speaker 1>or Clemens tried to kill Mike Piazza like he was

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<v Speaker 1>a dracula, and they had the wooden steak to go

0:59:26.835 --> 0:59:31.715
<v Speaker 1>through his heart. Meanwhile, we learned recently from Joe Torri,

0:59:31.795 --> 0:59:34.155
<v Speaker 1>the Yankee manager, another one of my friends, that they

0:59:34.195 --> 0:59:37.795
<v Speaker 1>all hid something from us that night, the thing about emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>After the incident in the first inning, Roger Clemens went

0:59:40.915 --> 0:59:45.195
<v Speaker 1>back to the Yankee clubhouse and started to cry. This

0:59:45.395 --> 0:59:47.835
<v Speaker 1>might have had something to do with embarrassment or grief.

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<v Speaker 1>But since he had noted that he had had to

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<v Speaker 1>check his emotions, I always thought, well, he might have

0:59:53.235 --> 0:59:58.355
<v Speaker 1>been a little overamped for that game, naturally or otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So before I present anything else out of

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<v Speaker 1>chronological order, let me go back to the I thanked

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Clemens for the interview and threw it back to

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Buck and Tim McCarver in the Fox booth because

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<v Speaker 1>this is when the real trouble started. They were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much done for the night, but I had another two

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<v Speaker 1>hours to go in a live postgame show on Fox's

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<v Speaker 1>cable Sports network. We had about four minutes until that

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<v Speaker 1>show started, and it suddenly occurred to me that although

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<v Speaker 1>this was not the most important event in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the World Series, the bat would become part of

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<v Speaker 1>the iconography of baseball. I had been at Yankee Stadium

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<v Speaker 1>often enough over the years to know the two kids

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<v Speaker 1>who ran the visiting clubhouse, and right then they were

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<v Speaker 1>still packing up the Mets bats and equipment, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Mets dugout, so I ran over and asked the senior

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<v Speaker 1>of them what happened to the pieces of the Piazza bat.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer to that question has haunted me for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two years. It resulted in me being threatened with a

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuit by Mike Piazza. The owner of the Boston Red

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<v Speaker 1>Sox said he was threatened by Piazza over the same bat.

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<v Speaker 1>And then came the moment during that World Series that

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Piazza confronted me and we talked about restaurants. The

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<v Speaker 1>rest of this crazy story after this, So back to

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<v Speaker 1>our number one story on the countdown and the saga

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<v Speaker 1>of the night in the two thousand World Series and

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<v Speaker 1>all the nights since, when the bat of Mike Piazza

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mets shattered should be and Roger Clemens of

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankees picked up the barrel of that bat and

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<v Speaker 1>tossed it at him, or just tossed it away having

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<v Speaker 1>mistaken it for a baseball, or made up a story

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<v Speaker 1>that he had mistaken it for a baseball. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Yankee dugout as the reporter, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was hosting the game for Fox, and I interviewed Clemens afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>and then before our two hour postgame show on Cable,

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<v Speaker 1>I went over to the Met dugout and asked the

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<v Speaker 1>clubhouse attendant there what happened to the pieces of Piazza's bat. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy explained that Bobby Valentine, the Mets manager, had

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<v Speaker 1>asked that one of the pieces go to a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of his in the stands, and he, the clubhouse attendant,

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<v Speaker 1>had handed it to the guy. A second piece he

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<v Speaker 1>believed was kept by the Yankees. He wasn't sure about that.

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<v Speaker 1>The third piece, the handle was where was it. Where

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<v Speaker 1>is it? He asked the other attendant. It's here in

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<v Speaker 1>the garbage, the kid said. I did a double take

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<v Speaker 1>the garbage. Yeah, the kid said, under the dugout bench,

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<v Speaker 1>and there it was, stuffed in amid all the empty

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<v Speaker 1>bags of sunflower seeds and the crushed gatorade cuffs. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to it? Now? Gets thrown out? They clean

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<v Speaker 1>out the dugouts first, so I said, look, can I

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<v Speaker 1>borrow it? This would make a great prop for our

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<v Speaker 1>postgame show? And the attendant says sure, and he pulls

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<v Speaker 1>it out of the pile and hands it to him,

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<v Speaker 1>just about seven inches of a baseball bat, and all

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<v Speaker 1>there is is Piazza's uniform number thirty one written in

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<v Speaker 1>magic marker on the bottom. Listen. I said, I won't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to bring this back to you for like

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<v Speaker 1>two hours. We're on for two hours. Will you still

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<v Speaker 1>be in the clubhouse? And he said, are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>We have to be here at eight. He and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be out of here in ten minutes. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you want me to bring it back to you for

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<v Speaker 1>game three? And he says, garbage. You're going to bring

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<v Speaker 1>back garbage? Throw it out, keep it whatever, what do

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<v Speaker 1>I care? So I use the bat fragment as a

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<v Speaker 1>prop in the show repeatedly, and I stuck it in

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<v Speaker 1>my shoulder bag, and I thought, I'm not a scrounger,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is a valuable piece of memorabilia and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to keep it. So either I'll auction it off

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<v Speaker 1>for charity and bid against myself or something, or I'll

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<v Speaker 1>make a donation to a baseball charity and I'll keep it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was it. And two days later, as the

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<v Speaker 1>World Series shifted from Yankee Stadium to Shay Stadium, I

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<v Speaker 1>got a phone call from one of the PR guys

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<v Speaker 1>at Fox Sports. Did you see the paper? And I said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not yet. And he says, Piazza told the guy from

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<v Speaker 1>Newsday that you stole his bat and he wants it back.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, what if I hadn't asked about it, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be on a garbage scale right now, being towed

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<v Speaker 1>out to be dumped in the Atlantic Ocean. And he says,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe so, but Piazza told this John Hayman, He's going

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<v Speaker 1>to sue you to get it back. So now I

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<v Speaker 1>go to the ballpark with extra excitement on my plate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm waiting for Mike Piazza to tell me he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to sue me. So I go out onto the field.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering how long it's going to be before I run

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<v Speaker 1>into Piazza, And like two minutes after I step on

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<v Speaker 1>the field, I turn around and he's walking towards me.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks at me and he says, hey, Keith wild

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<v Speaker 1>One the other night, huh say listen, when you lived

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<v Speaker 1>at Shutters, did you ever eat at Ivy at the

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<v Speaker 1>Shore in Santa Monica? Nothing about the bat. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about restaurants in Santa Monica, California. And I say, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but did you ever eat at Shae Jay's. And a

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<v Speaker 1>big smile from Piazza, Oh, man, I love Shade Jay's.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Jay. Give me your number this winter when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm home, Let's go eat at Shaye Jay's. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll pay for it and I'll order the sand dabs.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're talking about sand dabs, how to prepare sand

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<v Speaker 1>dabs at a restaurant. And then he says, hey, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go ahead, have a good show. That was it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in the paper threatening to sue me. We see

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<v Speaker 1>each other on on the field. He starts the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>No mention of suing me, not one word. Next day

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<v Speaker 1>in the paper, more Piazza quotes about how he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to sue me for stealing his bat. Next night, Game

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<v Speaker 1>four of the World Series, we're just about to go

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<v Speaker 1>on the air with the pregame show, and now Piazza

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<v Speaker 1>comes over again, coming in from the outfield to the dugout,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, hey, this must be really cool to

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<v Speaker 1>do what you guys are doing. Have a great show.

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<v Speaker 1>And by now the only thing I can think of.

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<v Speaker 1>He does not know I'm the same Keith Olberman. He

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<v Speaker 1>keeps threatening to sue. So the World Series ends and

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankees beat the Mets, and if you look for it,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this photo of the traditional postgame awarding of the

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<v Speaker 1>World Series Trophy and the Most Valuable Player award and

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<v Speaker 1>its commissioner, Bud Selig and Derek Jeter, the Yankees and me,

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<v Speaker 1>and just before it happened, George Steinbrenner was the owner

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<v Speaker 1>of the Yankees. He's crying, leans in and I give

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<v Speaker 1>him a hug and reassure him. And he asked me

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<v Speaker 1>if my mother went to the game, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my mother she'd never come to Shay Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>She hates it more than you do. And he says,

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<v Speaker 1>I love her more than ever before. Now, So the

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<v Speaker 1>series ends, and it's not been that greatest series, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's been exciting and it was the dream from my childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Yankees have won and my friends are happy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've not heard another word about this lawsuit, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>from Mike Piazza. And I told the Fox people, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm not going to hear anything more from them,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy. I'm going to keep the bat and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to donate twenty five thousand dollars to this charity,

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<v Speaker 1>the Baseball Assistance Team, which helps ex ball players in

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<v Speaker 1>financial need, because A I'm not a scrounger. B it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great cause. C that's actually much more than the

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<v Speaker 1>bat handle would be worth on the open market. And

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<v Speaker 1>D the acronym for the Baseball Assistance Team is bat

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<v Speaker 1>bat and that's perfect. It's about Piazza's bat, you get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then nothing for a month, whereupon Fox gets another

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<v Speaker 1>letter now from Piazza's agent fellow named Manzan and he

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<v Speaker 1>threatens to sue again, and that's the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Never heard from him again. So now it's the next year,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one, and I'm back in New York

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<v Speaker 1>working for CNN doing the news, and I go to

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<v Speaker 1>a Mets game and I see Piazza and I give

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<v Speaker 1>him a big smile and I offer my hand and

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<v Speaker 1>I say, still all of those sand dabs from shayj

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<v Speaker 1>And he just stares at me and walks right past me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I see a cop I know who works next

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mets dugout, and the cop says, Mike has

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<v Speaker 1>been asking him about me? Is that Keith Olderman the

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<v Speaker 1>one who stole my bat? So now I'm not just

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<v Speaker 1>keeping the bat. I want to sue Mike Piazza for

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<v Speaker 1>being a pain in the ass. And then nine to

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<v Speaker 1>eleven happens, and ball players are doing charity things, and

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<v Speaker 1>sportscasters and newscasters are doing charity things, and I think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the time when the baseball season resumes. I

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<v Speaker 1>throw the bat handle in my bag and I go

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<v Speaker 1>out to a Mets game and I go up to

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<v Speaker 1>Piazza's locker before the game, and I pull the bat

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<v Speaker 1>chart out and I say, take this, Mike, auction it

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<v Speaker 1>off for charity. Let's do some good with this, or

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<v Speaker 1>if it's too much trouble, you sign it and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>auction it off. We can leave my name out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want, however you want to do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>he looks at me like I've just insulted his mother

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<v Speaker 1>and says, no, it's too complicated, and he turns away,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think to myself, this is the strangest athlete

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<v Speaker 1>I have ever met. And just before the season ends,

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<v Speaker 1>I go to another Mets game. Now this time it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of his teammates who takes me aside and says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Piazza never stops talking about you stealing his

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<v Speaker 1>bat from the Clemens game last year. He says, he

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<v Speaker 1>still wants to sue you. Didn't you try to give

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<v Speaker 1>him the bat back in the clubhouse to auction off.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't I see that? And I say, yeah, I did,

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<v Speaker 1>and he refused to take it. And the guy laughs

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, great player, excellent catcher. I love him,

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<v Speaker 1>strangest player I have ever met. Comes two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing happens. See Piazza at several Mets games. Nothing happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and three, nothing happens. Now I can't pin

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<v Speaker 1>the year down on this. It's one of the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Sox Yankees' playoffs series either too thousand and three. We're

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four and I'm leaving the field as

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<v Speaker 1>they're clearing the media off just before the game starts,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going out through the Red Sox dugout, literally

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<v Speaker 1>at the same spot where the kid handed me Piazza's

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<v Speaker 1>bat handle three or four years earlier, where the trouble

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<v Speaker 1>all began. And I see the new owner of the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sox team approaching from the other end of the dugout,

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<v Speaker 1>Keith John Henry, Nice to meet you. Have you got

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<v Speaker 1>a minute? And I said, well, yeah, they're kicking the

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<v Speaker 1>media off the field, so and he laughs and he

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<v Speaker 1>says I can take care of that. And he yells

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<v Speaker 1>at the plane clothes coop and he says he's with

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<v Speaker 1>me and the cop nods and John Henry, the owner

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<v Speaker 1>of the Red Sox, and I sit down on the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sox bench before the start of a Red Sox

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees playoff game, and there are no other reporters out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, Okay, what did I say about the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sox? What is he pissed off about? Instead? John

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<v Speaker 1>Henry says, can I ask you about Mike Piazza And

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<v Speaker 1>I laugh and I say, sure, what about him? And

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<v Speaker 1>he says, you have part of his bat from the

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<v Speaker 1>World Series with Clemens right, And I say yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, tell me the whole story. So I do

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<v Speaker 1>what you've just heard, and John Henry says, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I was told, Thank you, huh. I thought it was me.

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<v Speaker 1>So that other piece of the bat that was handed

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<v Speaker 1>to a friend of Bobby Valentine's during that game, that

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<v Speaker 1>friend is a great friend of mine. And after nine

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<v Speaker 1>to eleven he said, wouldn't it be great to get

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Piazza to sign this and then we can auction

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<v Speaker 1>it off for the victims' families or the cops or

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<v Speaker 1>some other charity. And he gives me the bat and

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<v Speaker 1>I call the Mets and they approach Mike and they

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<v Speaker 1>call me and they say, Mike loves the idea and

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<v Speaker 1>I should come to one of the spring training games

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<v Speaker 1>and he'll sign it. So the next March, I go

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the Mets spring training games and I

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<v Speaker 1>go up to him in the clubhouse and I introduce

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<v Speaker 1>myself and he looks at me like I'm from Mars

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<v Speaker 1>and I say, well, I brought the bat and he

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<v Speaker 1>says what bat? And I explained that we had arranged

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<v Speaker 1>to have him sign the bat from the World Series

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<v Speaker 1>for a nine to eleven charity and he erupts at me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not signing that bat? Sure for charity? You think

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<v Speaker 1>I was born yesterday? And say something to John Henry,

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<v Speaker 1>owner of the Red Sox, like welcome to the club.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he threaten to sue you too? And he laughs

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<v Speaker 1>and says yes. That's the next part of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>So while we're trying to straighten that out, his agent

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<v Speaker 1>calls me and asks if I will give them the

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<v Speaker 1>bat to auction off for charity, and I say sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and I go to another Mets game and I go

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<v Speaker 1>to the clubhouse and I have the bat again. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Piazza says, no, I can't take the bat because of

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<v Speaker 1>pending litigation, but if I want him to, he'll sign

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<v Speaker 1>it for me. All I have to do is come

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<v Speaker 1>back a couple of weeks later. So this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask Keith. Is he the strangest ballplayer

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever met? Or is it just me? There's one

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<v Speaker 1>more part to this. Flash forward to twenty fourteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>still have the Piazza batthandle the one I unsuccessfully tried

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<v Speaker 1>to give back to Piazza. The middle portion, the one

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<v Speaker 1>John Henry unsuccessfully tried to give back to Piazza, has

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<v Speaker 1>been sold, with the proce going to charity. So where

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<v Speaker 1>is the third piece, the barrel of the bat, the

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<v Speaker 1>part that Clemens through at Piazza if you're a Met

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<v Speaker 1>fan or was unfairly accused of throwing at Piazza if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a Met fan? And the answer finally arrives

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<v Speaker 1>in a sports memorabilia auction catalog that year. While one

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<v Speaker 1>of the visiting bat boys was handing the middle part

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<v Speaker 1>of the bat to a friend of Bobby Valentine and

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<v Speaker 1>John Henry's in the stands, the barrel, which landed near

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankee dugout, was scooped up by the Yankee bat boy,

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<v Speaker 1>who put it in the pile of Yankee broken bats.

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<v Speaker 1>And as it turned out, right at that point, the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankee strengthen conditioning coach Jeff Mangold, who was on the bench, said,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, that's the pile of broken bats they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to throw out. They shouldn't throw it out. It's history.

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<v Speaker 1>And he grabs that part of the Piazza bat and

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<v Speaker 1>puts it up in his home office. And now it's

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen years later and he wants to auction it off

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<v Speaker 1>for charity. So he auctions it off, and I think, well, hell,

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<v Speaker 1>it should be alongside the other piece of the bat.

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<v Speaker 1>My other piece of the bat, the handle, win the auction.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is on my wall, complete with a baseball

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<v Speaker 1>card showing Roger Clemens about to throw the barrel. Reasons

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<v Speaker 1>left to your imagination, two thirds of the famous bat.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll sell it someday, I'm sure, but I'll always have

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<v Speaker 1>the memories, my memories and John Henry's memories. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you're wondering, No, unlike John Henry and I, that Yankee

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<v Speaker 1>strength coach Jeff Mangold never tried to give it back

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<v Speaker 1>to Piazza, or get it signed by Piazza, or auctioned

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<v Speaker 1>off for charity with Piazza, which means that, on top

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<v Speaker 1>of everything else, Jeff Mangold is smarter than John Henry

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<v Speaker 1>and I put together. Yes, the story took three hours,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think you'll agree it was worth it. Hello. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>you're still there. Hello, HELLI I've done all the damage

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<v Speaker 1>I can do here. Thank you for listening. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>our countdown music was arranged, produced and performed by Brian

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<v Speaker 1>My announcer today, keeping with the baseball theme was Tony Kornheiser.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything else was as always my fault. That's countdown for today.

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<v Speaker 1>Day two hundred and eighty one of America held hostage again,

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<v Speaker 1>just eighty two days until the scheduled end of his

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<v Speaker 1>lame duck and lame brained term unless he is removed

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<v Speaker 1>sooner by Maga and Epstein, or that patch of pavement

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<v Speaker 1>on his hand, or a stuck escalator or a kopathy

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<v Speaker 1>test or tail and all, or his jet made out

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<v Speaker 1>of poop, or the arc he's building. He's building an arc.

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<v Speaker 1>He thinks he's pronounced arc. He thinks arch is arc.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's fine, He's fine. The next scheduled countdown is Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Until then, I'm Keith Alderman. Good morning, good afternoon, good night,

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