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Speaker 1: of the Giants Podcast. Welcome to the newest episode of

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Speaker 1: the Giants Huddle podcast, John Smoke with you today's guest

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Speaker 1: Mike Garatfolo from NFL Network. But first, one of mind everybody.

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Speaker 1: joined by our guest. He's one of the great insiders

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Speaker 1: for NFL Network. You saw him on Good Morning Football

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Speaker 1: this week. During the season's on Good Morning Football on

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Speaker 1: the weekends, and perhaps his greatest feat is surviving twelve

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Speaker 1: Mike Carofolo from NFL Network. Mike, what's going on? Then?

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Speaker 1: Got that right, schmilk. Everybody out there has got a

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Speaker 1: little kids, knows what that's about. But we're making it, man,

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Speaker 1: We're making it. Yeah. Luckily, my wife and are still

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Speaker 1: of advantage. But still, God bless her. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: get right to it. You know, the salary cap is fungible,

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Speaker 1: but the Giants did not have a lot of space

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Speaker 1: heading into this offseason. Were you surprised they took the

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Speaker 1: aggressive posture that they did to create the space necessary

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Speaker 1: to do the things that they did? Um, well, a

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Speaker 1: Maybe even they thought they were gonna be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dorry Jackson popping free, Um, you know, changes

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Speaker 1: things because now all of a sudden he's available. It

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Speaker 1: reminds me of uh, you know the Entrell Roll signing

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Speaker 1: So Um, you know, I think the overall spend surprise

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Speaker 1: tired of watching the postseason from home. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: Otherwise they're just gonna go sign a one year and

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Speaker 1: try again next offseason. Right. Well, that was certainly the

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Speaker 1: in the Garbage segment that you had earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: which I really was entertained by by the way very

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Speaker 1: good miners in the gut of the garbage put a

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Speaker 1: I don't think. With the way he put on display

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Speaker 1: wear a halter top on draft night. That would be disgusting. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I agree, my great stuff. Stay safe out there, my friend.

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Speaker 1: We appreciated. God bless you. All right, you got that's

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Speaker 1: Mike Garatfolo of the NFL Network be thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us as a fantastic job. Had a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun with him talking NFL Draft for Mike garafol on

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Speaker 1: John Schmelt. Just a reminder, you can find the Giant

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Speaker 1: favorite podcast platforms, and at giants dot com slash podcast.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,