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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought Us,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones, and it is another victory
Speaker 1: Monday edition of Talking Cowboys here at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: There is no Mickey Spagnola to start off the show,
Speaker 1: so we will lay the foundation for this show without
Speaker 1: Mickey as he does other things. Right now, I am
Speaker 1: Bill Jones along with Brian brought Us and Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: as the Cowboys now are on the brink of clinching
Speaker 1: the NFC East after a sinilating twenty nine twenty three
Speaker 1: overtime win over their chief rivals for the NFC East
Speaker 1: crown as it turns out, the Philadelphia Eagles, and it
Speaker 1: takes as a win over the Indianapolis Coats on Sunday
Speaker 1: in India and the Cowboys win the NFC East. They
Speaker 1: can do it otherwise too, but we focus on what
Speaker 1: happened on Sunday, and wow, what happened on Sunday? How
Speaker 1: about that Rob Phillips. How about that? How about how
Speaker 1: about Dak Prescott? You know the mental toughness that that
Speaker 1: young guy has three turnovers and this team's record is
Speaker 1: not very good when he turns the ball over more
Speaker 1: than once, two picks, a lost fumble which I think
Speaker 1: was his six of the season, and to come back
Speaker 1: and do what he did. Amari Cooper helps this offense.
Speaker 1: I think we know that pretty well. I think we
Speaker 1: figure that out. But I think your starting quarterback showed
Speaker 1: you something again. And really what they did in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter in overtime asked overall another good strong defensive effort.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think when you look back
Speaker 1: at it, it was a complete victory by this team,
Speaker 1: but it was the theatrics offensively at the end that
Speaker 1: kind of stole the story. Four hundred and fifty five
Speaker 1: yards passing for Prescott that ties Troy Aikman for third
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys all time list. Tony Romo had five
Speaker 1: hundred six against Peyton, Manning and Denver five years ago
Speaker 1: and a loss. Yeah, Dandy Don Meredith had four hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty yards in a loss. Aikman had four fifty
Speaker 1: five in a loss. It's the first time. It's the
Speaker 1: most passing yards for a Cowboys quarterback ever in a
Speaker 1: win and the most completions ever for a Cowboys quarterback
Speaker 1: in a game with forty two. Pretty amazing. The way
Speaker 1: that this game was, it was really a roller coaster
Speaker 1: ride for everybody along. You know, if you look at
Speaker 1: kind of a tale of two halves for the defense
Speaker 1: being as dominant as they were in the first half,
Speaker 1: and then turn around in the second half, you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit some struggles there, got a stop or two,
Speaker 1: but overall you start seeing the Eagles were doing some
Speaker 1: things better. But yeah, offensively with Prescott, you know, this
Speaker 1: was a game I felt like that the that the
Speaker 1: Eagles staff gets a lot of credit for how good
Speaker 1: of a coaching staff they are. I think that Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys coach has out coached the Eagles yesterday in this
Speaker 1: football game. And I think it's other than the secondaries,
Speaker 1: I think it was really two pretty evenly matched teams playing.
Speaker 1: But the difference makers were in this case where I
Speaker 1: feel like that with what Chris Rochard and Rod Marinoli
Speaker 1: were able to do on defense, Scotland a hand what
Speaker 1: he did in offense, and then Jason Garrett having the
Speaker 1: guts to go for it down there. I've always been
Speaker 1: very critical of Jason Garrett of not knowing the condition
Speaker 1: of his team, and you know, he saw things that
Speaker 1: were happening in the second half to his defense, and
Speaker 1: he felt like that he had to go win that game,
Speaker 1: and he put it on his players. The players responded,
Speaker 1: and that's what you have to do as a coach.
Speaker 1: You have to put your team. He talks about putting
Speaker 1: his team in the best position to win, and he
Speaker 1: did that. And so I have to give him a
Speaker 1: tip of the cap because you know, it had been
Speaker 1: very easily for him to kick that fuel goal and
Speaker 1: then say, okay, let's see if we can play defense here.
Speaker 1: You know, but in the second half we'd seen some
Speaker 1: a little bit of some slippage going on there too.
Speaker 1: So for him to put it on Dak Prescott this
Speaker 1: offense to go win that game, I think says a
Speaker 1: lot about the coach, but it also says about the
Speaker 1: players he has in that locker room and those guys
Speaker 1: on the field. It was a lot like the first
Speaker 1: matchup in Philly in terms of, you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: earlier late in the first half had a six nothing
Speaker 1: lead on the Eagles. It was thirteen three at the half,
Speaker 1: and then when you came down the stretch of that game,
Speaker 1: it was back and forth. One team scores, the other
Speaker 1: team scores. It was just like this game, but the
Speaker 1: only difference being that time the Cowboys got a stop
Speaker 1: on the Eagles late in the game. This time they
Speaker 1: had to go to overtime and went on offense. The
Speaker 1: most exciting thing about the first half was a sixty
Speaker 1: two yard field goal, which, by the way, it was
Speaker 1: a half, was a franchise record by maher atoning for
Speaker 1: amiss that he had earlier. So, yeah, Brian's right tail
Speaker 1: two has and I think you asked us, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did twenty four twenty four. No, I appreciate you mentioned
Speaker 1: in that on the post game on the OT because
Speaker 1: you were saying, I don't think you were here, Bill,
Speaker 1: but I asked Mickey and Rob oh I was here
Speaker 1: when we were seemed to twenty four. But no, No,
Speaker 1: it was we're talking about what team would go forth
Speaker 1: the most. I worked down I got you you know
Speaker 1: which coach would decide to go for it the most
Speaker 1: on fourth down? And you know, luckily your coach was
Speaker 1: the one that made the right decision there to go
Speaker 1: for it. I mean, they went forward on fourth down
Speaker 1: and got a conversion with Sproles in the flat. But
Speaker 1: you know your coach went forward at the end when
Speaker 1: he when he absolutely you know, I thought, like I say,
Speaker 1: I was a gutsy call to do it that way,
Speaker 1: but he did what he had to do to win
Speaker 1: the football game. Well, the other thing that you asked
Speaker 1: last week was can this team get to twenty four points?
Speaker 1: And it takes twenty four points to win the game.
Speaker 1: And sure enough, yeah it. First team to twenty four
Speaker 1: won that game. Hello, Mickey, Like twenty four twenty three
Speaker 1: that I predicted. I guess I should have gone twenty
Speaker 1: three twenty three. Huh then yep, and then exclude overtime.
Speaker 1: So the head coach on fourth and one realized his
Speaker 1: team had gained five hundred and fifty seven yards at
Speaker 1: that point. I don't know that it was that gutsy.
Speaker 1: I think he looked at what his team was doing
Speaker 1: on the field. They were gaining yards in gobs and
Speaker 1: to go for one yard, yeah, go for it. I'd
Speaker 1: put the game away. I was not surprised at all,
Speaker 1: I mean either, And as he said, We've got the
Speaker 1: best runner, in our opinion, in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: So gutsy from the standpoint, if he does not get
Speaker 1: that first down, though, what is he looking at? A tie?
Speaker 1: Probably probably see the guy came during that time out
Speaker 1: I started doing the map. Okay, what does a tide
Speaker 1: down this? I mean, gutsy from the fact that that
Speaker 1: he could have kicked that field goal? He very well
Speaker 1: could you know that? That's that to me? Is you
Speaker 1: know there was really no givens. I mean you're talking
Speaker 1: about gobs of yards and all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 1: also talking about tons of mistakes. How about the snap
Speaker 1: that was low? Sure, trying to get the game, trying
Speaker 1: to win the game. You know, guy can't win. He
Speaker 1: can't win. Well, he doesn't go for it and he
Speaker 1: gets beat up. He goes for it and people are
Speaker 1: beating him up, like what are you doing? No, I'm
Speaker 1: not beating him up at all. Given a lot of
Speaker 1: people are giving him credit for, you know, giving him
Speaker 1: credit for what he did. I think he saw what
Speaker 1: his team was doing that Houston game. They were tackled
Speaker 1: for losses. They were getting tackles for zero yards all
Speaker 1: up and down the field. Zeke this one five hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty seven yards to that point, well, and yeah,
Speaker 1: but to the point of what play you're gonna call Zeke? Now,
Speaker 1: in both cases Zeke got stopped for no game to
Speaker 1: play before. But the difference this time, aside from the
Speaker 1: field position, the difference this time is that Zeke had
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirteen yards rushing in this game and
Speaker 1: that game he had twenty carries for fifty four yards,
Speaker 1: and there was no evidence whatsoever that they could get
Speaker 1: a yard against that Houston defense on that night. Now,
Speaker 1: if they played Houston, now maybe they would be able
Speaker 1: to who knows, but uh and then from a field
Speaker 1: position standpoint, uh, he You know, in the Houston game,
Speaker 1: the idea was you're punting them down the field, you know.
Speaker 1: I think also, you know, the rules with the overtime
Speaker 1: are different this year, with the ten minute, with the
Speaker 1: ten eight minutes and tence. I think it'll take and
Speaker 1: I think it's it's taking coaches, including Garrett time to
Speaker 1: realize how how the overtime rules are different because of
Speaker 1: the limited amount of time and you're probably only going
Speaker 1: to get one possession and they weren't going to get
Speaker 1: the ball back kick a field goal right right, Well now,
Speaker 1: but if you look at that Houston game too. Now,
Speaker 1: in hindsight, now that we know how quickly the ten
Speaker 1: minutes goes at an overtime period, they weren't getting the
Speaker 1: ball back to do anything with it in that Houston
Speaker 1: game either. That's the other thing. I think he may
Speaker 1: have done it and made a different decision now that
Speaker 1: we figured out the Yeah, well you he could. He
Speaker 1: could have still gone with the conservative route though, kick
Speaker 1: the field goal and say, okay, they've got less by
Speaker 1: two minutes, yet less than two minutes to be down
Speaker 1: the field and score touchdown. How they went for it
Speaker 1: fourth and one with four minutes to go? Now he's
Speaker 1: talking about yesterday. Yesterday. Yeah, I'm sa minutes to go
Speaker 1: when they went for it. Okay, that's true, He's okay,
Speaker 1: so they would have had under five minutes. Still, I
Speaker 1: mean with those rules. You know again, you guys are right.
Speaker 1: He knew the condition of his football team. I talked
Speaker 1: about it during the week. This is an Eagles team
Speaker 1: that has been leaking yardage. They had a good game
Speaker 1: against Washington. We know what Washington is right now. The
Speaker 1: three games before that, Philly had allowed four hundred plus yards.
Speaker 1: Now they give up a five spot in this game.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, you know, a better team won
Speaker 1: this game. I mean yeah, doubled them up on first downs.
Speaker 1: The Eagles were one of nine on third down. It
Speaker 1: was another ass kicking. Didn't show it up on the scoreboard.
Speaker 1: Doubled them up on Yeah, on time of possession. The
Speaker 1: better team won this game. Okay, here's the other thing
Speaker 1: on the way I've seen Garrett now, and this is
Speaker 1: the third time in five years he's had a playoff
Speaker 1: bound team, a team that is good enough to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It seems to me like in those other
Speaker 1: years twenty fourteen and twenty sixteen and now this year
Speaker 1: when he gets to December, November, December, in these when
Speaker 1: he's got good teams, he's a he goes for it
Speaker 1: more on fourth down than what he does when he
Speaker 1: has a bad team. He gets knocked for not being
Speaker 1: aggressive enough. I think he's a lot more aggressive when
Speaker 1: he has a good team than when he has a
Speaker 1: bad team. Especially, that's just what i've five hundred yards
Speaker 1: and if you didn't pick it up, they get the
Speaker 1: ball at the nineteen that Houston game, they would have
Speaker 1: given him the ball at the forty five. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how calculated all of our decisions are.
Speaker 1: Kit Garrison with gold Yeah, No, it's just was well played.
Speaker 1: I mean, they did what they had to do to
Speaker 1: win that football game. And you know the fact that
Speaker 1: they took eight minutes off the clock and over time
Speaker 1: gave him that opportunity to do that. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: how they were gonna just keep running the ball and
Speaker 1: just run the clock completely out and just try That's
Speaker 1: that's what I was thinking of. Essentially, they gonna get
Speaker 1: a shot at this Philly and they if Philly didn't
Speaker 1: make the play to stop Zeke for the three yard loss, right,
Speaker 1: they probably would have wound up doing that. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean that would that would have been a perfect
Speaker 1: way to play this game. But then again, you're putting
Speaker 1: in a field goal kickers. He trust him? Sixty two?
Speaker 1: Maybe not forty five? Sixty two? You got nothing to lose, right,
Speaker 1: that's my point, right, Yeah, yeah, But if you ran
Speaker 1: it all the way down, you're able to get the
Speaker 1: first down, and now you're kicking a twenty yard field
Speaker 1: goal to win it, do you trust him? Then? See
Speaker 1: that's when I'm yeah, that's you know, that's open for debate.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's seriously, is open for debate. Is that
Speaker 1: something that is gonna is gonna haunch you down the
Speaker 1: stretch when you play in these games? Yeah? You know
Speaker 1: the thought, Yeah, I made a sixty two yard field goal.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right, you got nothing to lose there, go ahead
Speaker 1: unless he gets blocked or it's short and they and
Speaker 1: they have a guy back there and they you know,
Speaker 1: get an Alabama Auburn situation where they're running the ball
Speaker 1: back on you up the field. But you know, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, I to me, I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's open for debate. Was he an eighty percent kicker?
Speaker 1: Right now? I don't. Is his numbers right at eighty percent?
Speaker 1: Near eighty percent? You know, I'm sorry I didn't beyond
Speaker 1: forty yards when he missed. Um, I'm just overall, just
Speaker 1: gonna be overall. Is he is he even for? Is
Speaker 1: he even eighty percent? I did well, he did come
Speaker 1: back and make a twenty one yard or I did
Speaker 1: look this up. Yeah, he had made nine straight before
Speaker 1: that kicking. Okay, missed the kick against Philly and then
Speaker 1: it perfect sense. Then I don't know his exact same
Speaker 1: said he was, I want to say the broadcast said
Speaker 1: he was eleven or fifteen from forty yards and the
Speaker 1: forty yard range was okay to say, well something you know,
Speaker 1: you hope I mean again winning the Great deodorant. But
Speaker 1: is that something that we need to look at, you know,
Speaker 1: much like we're critical of the sacks and things like
Speaker 1: that that happened in the game or dack in the pocket,
Speaker 1: fumble in the ball or whatever. I mean, is the
Speaker 1: field goal kicking here something as you get into playoffs
Speaker 1: that you want to say, Oh, well, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: just you know, I feel wonderful about that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think we're necessarily I know,
Speaker 1: I don't you know, Yeah, I mean I don't always
Speaker 1: want to put it in on his foot. Okay, why
Speaker 1: doesn't Pro Football Reference and it is eighty four percent
Speaker 1: and it's eleventh from fifteen from forty plus right before
Speaker 1: its twenty seven for thirty two on the season. Yeah, okay, right,
Speaker 1: maybe that's better than you know, It's just it's just
Speaker 1: thirty two. I don't know, I now woiled well spoiled
Speaker 1: or like, yeah, I mean I sit there and you know,
Speaker 1: I would hope that my kicker can make one from
Speaker 1: forty five yards. I'm not expect him to make it
Speaker 1: from sixty two, but I'm hopefully he can make it
Speaker 1: from forty five. And what he is from forty to
Speaker 1: forty ninety seven? For ten Beyond fifty, he's five for six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. Beyond sixty, he's won for one. Yes,
Speaker 1: he is. That's so weird, just like from the third
Speaker 1: longest field goal in NFL history matches the third longest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's sixty three and sixty four or the longest.
Speaker 1: We know. He's got a strong leg. He kicked a
Speaker 1: fifty seven yard or in the preseason finale, which kind
Speaker 1: of set him the job bought. Yeah, And but he
Speaker 1: told us after the game he doesn't even try sixty
Speaker 1: two in pre game with a full operation. They go
Speaker 1: about fifty eight and that's it. So I'm surprised he
Speaker 1: didn't try for a Hail Mary there. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: he was too where the positioning was. But hey, you know,
Speaker 1: good for him if you know, if you walk over
Speaker 1: to the kicker or to you know, walk over to
Speaker 1: Keith though Quinn and say, hey, what's his range today?
Speaker 1: All right sixty two, coach, were good, Okay, let's try
Speaker 1: this one here. You know, that's that's one of those ones. Again,
Speaker 1: give him some credit. That's a gut call. I mean
Speaker 1: he could have he could have thrown a hill mary
Speaker 1: there and not got any points or you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: luckily you had their their field goal kicker missed a
Speaker 1: field goal or an extra point two or do a lateral. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a good day. Speaking of that, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a good day for the coaching geniuses yesterday as Peterson lost,
Speaker 1: Sean McVay last night got beat and then a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame coach decided Rob Gronkowski would be better than
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy as his safety on the final play of
Speaker 1: a game. But they really think they were going to
Speaker 1: throw the ball like seven it was this It was
Speaker 1: the thirty one yard line. Yeah, not not with that
Speaker 1: quarterback back and you had to drop back right right,
Speaker 1: I mean you would putting Gronk in the game if
Speaker 1: it's the yard If they're throwing from the fifty yard line, right,
Speaker 1: they're throwing into the goal line. Now you get someone
Speaker 1: to bat it down. They even had better options than
Speaker 1: Gronk on his own team. I mean, why not, Josh Gordon.
Speaker 1: Let's thinkers thinking too much right there? I mean for
Speaker 1: that purpose, But you're right from the thirty one Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: the best chance of them to score was gonna be
Speaker 1: a Tyreek Hill type play like the screen. You surprised
Speaker 1: Peterson didn't go for the win yesterday. Yeah, at the
Speaker 1: end after they tied it, Yeah, especially after the penalty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: should have moved the ball to the one it would
Speaker 1: have Yeah. Now heat now their best there. Their two
Speaker 1: point play that they ran against Washington last week or
Speaker 1: Monday night was the option play that Dallas snuffed. They
Speaker 1: ran that play for a two point play the other
Speaker 1: day in a game, So maybe. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson's got all kinds of the Philly specials, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like that, I guess, especially knowing talked about
Speaker 1: knowing the condition of your team. Yeah, he hadn't stopped
Speaker 1: anybody their secondary I mean we talked about it. He
Speaker 1: could have stood up there and said, Okay, I lost
Speaker 1: this game because did you see my secondary play? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: the analytics guys had to be beside themselves when he
Speaker 1: didn't go. Well, usually he's the champion of analytics. I
Speaker 1: get more people tweeted me about him, and oh, look
Speaker 1: how smart Doug Peterson is, right, and then every you
Speaker 1: know and and again we talk about knowing your condition
Speaker 1: to your team, and Mickey pointed it out. His defense
Speaker 1: gave up five hundred something yards yesterday. He should have
Speaker 1: tried to end that game right now. It's like my
Speaker 1: guys at LSU against A and M should have ended
Speaker 1: that game right there. You can't let you can't put
Speaker 1: those guys back out there again. You know you got
Speaker 1: what you deserve. Doug Peterson, congratulations. Didn't want to lose
Speaker 1: on one play and on that Yeah, but but to
Speaker 1: the point of he lost anyway, I understand. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so whatever happens at the end, he went against wrong,
Speaker 1: he gave up, he did the opposite of what he
Speaker 1: generally believes, and that cost him. And on the winning play,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the decision to go with
Speaker 1: an all out blitz and just leave his corners on
Speaker 1: an island against the Maria Well almost hell of a
Speaker 1: pickup by heel of a pickup by Ezekiel. Elliott, yeah, Elliott, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he smashed because if if they I mean they let
Speaker 1: the they let the one guy go that Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: can account for the linebacker Brad him that that's the
Speaker 1: one guy he could see. He couldn't see the blitz
Speaker 1: coming from the inside. And a great job by by Zeke,
Speaker 1: you know, beat up in the whole game, playing hard,
Speaker 1: catching balls and then blitz pick up. Okay, I get you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you got my vote. You know, well he
Speaker 1: sold out. Yeah, he gambled. Well, he had to his
Speaker 1: team again. That defense was a mess. We said that
Speaker 1: going in that they weren't gonna be able. They didn't
Speaker 1: have anybody that can cover Amari Cooper, didn't matter who
Speaker 1: they put on him. You know, that just was That's
Speaker 1: the way it was. Douglas actually played the route pretty well,
Speaker 1: so he sat on it and he didn't bite on
Speaker 1: the fade, didn't buy on the fake. Yeah. So but
Speaker 1: I mean that's hey, that's you know, that's the way
Speaker 1: it ends up. That's good. Well do we get into
Speaker 1: the officiating now or do we wait on that? We
Speaker 1: want to take a break from that hat was on
Speaker 1: for some kind I think it went both ways. Oh
Speaker 1: it did, it did both ways. How about we come
Speaker 1: back and talk about what happened with the officials in
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Speaker 1: sharp young mind broadcaster. Yeah, this is on Young's right
Speaker 1: and sharp all right. Twenty nine, twenty three and overtime
Speaker 1: win over the Philadelphia Eagles, a season series sweep of
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and the Cowboys again can clinch the division
Speaker 1: with a win at Indianapolis, and Mickey, I think I've
Speaker 1: got this figured out right. They can also lose at Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: but they would need an Eagle's loss and or Redskins
Speaker 1: loss to clinch this week. That's right, So there you go.
Speaker 1: They just need one more victory, basically beat basically that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh so it's not just an Eagles loss, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a Redskin loss because technically the Redskins, even though
Speaker 1: it's impossible for them and they're current state to do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could win out and the Cowboys lose out, and
Speaker 1: the red Skins would have a better record. Mark Rippin
Speaker 1: ain't walking through that door. Yeah, so Joe, thisman, Sonny Jergetson,
Speaker 1: whoever you want to, maybe they can get Troy to
Speaker 1: come out of the broadcast booth. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: gonna that's not happening. I don't think so. All right,
Speaker 1: h Mickey, you have your officiating hat on. It's starting
Speaker 1: with the first play of that game, the opening kickoff.
Speaker 1: It was not a particularly good day for the officials.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say? Cowboys got lucky? Yeah? Play? Did you
Speaker 1: really lucky on that one? Yes? They did well. They
Speaker 1: stood with the call on the field, right, Yeah, they did.
Speaker 1: Mike Perre, did you hear what he said? No, he
Speaker 1: said to change the call, you have to have a
Speaker 1: clear recovery. I kind of felt like they had the
Speaker 1: ball and they looked like four guys had it, but
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell out of the pile is an Eagle player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you could always grab it away from your watching
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Um, you see the replay there.
Speaker 1: You see the ball come out, but do you see
Speaker 1: a recovery. I think are the Mouth of the East
Speaker 1: came out of the pile with that ball, but they
Speaker 1: didn't gruge Hill of the East. The Mouth of the
Speaker 1: East came out with the ball that and they just
Speaker 1: did not give him the call. But anyway, good, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's good. That's all right. It's a
Speaker 1: good way to start the game. Why don't you bring
Speaker 1: the ball out anyway? He never does, it's all eve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but yeah, I thought I thought initially the
Speaker 1: ball was to the one, but it was in the
Speaker 1: end zone. He was three yards deep in that thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I just don't I didn't quite get
Speaker 1: that one even it evened out. Yeah, well yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So now let's go to the fourth quarter of this extravaganza.
Speaker 1: And it was not the finest hour for the officiating
Speaker 1: crew in the fourth quarter, to say the least, Right,
Speaker 1: which one you want to play by playsheet. The one
Speaker 1: that sticks out to me is the Dallas Goddard touchdown
Speaker 1: the past an offensive as interference. Yeah, and then the
Speaker 1: makeup calls after that. Yeah, that's some makeup calls. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you. The worst call to day though, was the
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory Yeah, because that was the Goddard refers. Name
Speaker 1: is Blakeman, right, yes, Cleet Cleet probably named yeah, Cleat Boyer,
Speaker 1: the old Saint Louis Cardinals fame. And uh, the the
Speaker 1: call that he made on that on the on the
Speaker 1: roughing the passer, he if he goes back and watches now,
Speaker 1: not kept showing you the one where Randy took two steps,
Speaker 1: I'm talking the second one where he went low. And
Speaker 1: if you watch the play closely, though, Jason Peters has
Speaker 1: his hands in the middle of of Gregory's back and
Speaker 1: is pushing him to the ground, pushing him, trying to
Speaker 1: push him past the quarterback, so you have contact blocker
Speaker 1: contact with rusher and then pushing him in towards the ground.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's got no no other recourse other than to
Speaker 1: grab the legs. He didn't throw put his helmet in there,
Speaker 1: didn't put his shoulder in there. Didn't go for the knee,
Speaker 1: hit him with any force at He wrapped him up
Speaker 1: around the legs. But the whole time he was being
Speaker 1: pushed in the back by Jason Peter, So you have
Speaker 1: contact from a blocker. It reminded me very much of
Speaker 1: a call that they don't make when you have like
Speaker 1: a running the kicker or punter, one of those things
Speaker 1: where a blocker is engaged. Yeah, and then you know
Speaker 1: he missed that call and he had he had a
Speaker 1: clear line of sight to see that right there. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a terrible call. I understand trying to protect
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and the legs. But if you're engaged with a
Speaker 1: blocker and and you're being pushed to the ground and
Speaker 1: you make an athletic play like that, that that's that's
Speaker 1: just a terrible term. And you're you're basically just wrapping
Speaker 1: your arms around the legs of the quarterback. That's right.
Speaker 1: You're not hitting him with any force whatsoever, not at all.
Speaker 1: And as Mike Perera pointed out immediately after that, it
Speaker 1: was a bad call. Yeah, I mean he basically grabbed
Speaker 1: his foot, he was already on the ground. It's not
Speaker 1: like he went low. Yeah, he was already spun him
Speaker 1: around pretty good. I mean you can see him making
Speaker 1: me go back. You can see him. He wraps him
Speaker 1: up and he starts to spin him, and that's where
Speaker 1: he gets in the splits. I think what happened was
Speaker 1: though there was a really good rush coming up the
Speaker 1: other side of the field, and I think that's where
Speaker 1: Blackman got kind of he got law. He was trying
Speaker 1: to move, but then his line of sight was fine
Speaker 1: after but he the fact that they missed Peter's hands
Speaker 1: on Gregory pushing him with still engaged as he was
Speaker 1: going to the quarterback. I think that was the that
Speaker 1: was the biggest crime of this thing. And on the
Speaker 1: previous play on the offensive past interference, it looked like
Speaker 1: on one of the assuming that was the only the
Speaker 1: right hand shove. Yeah, yeah, the quarterback the ball was
Speaker 1: not in the air. Yeah, the quarterback could not release
Speaker 1: the football yet. No, he had not. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if it's on the offense. Yeah, you can't push off.
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. They're saying. They're saying he pushed
Speaker 1: with his right his right arm to run the route
Speaker 1: and Jeff pick play. Yeah, Jeff Heath did a hell
Speaker 1: of a job of selling it like he was falling
Speaker 1: out of there. It was a bad call. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: to mention their guy on the defensive end that threw
Speaker 1: his hands up in the air like Tyrann Smith was
Speaker 1: was holding him and he yeah, okay, Well they scored
Speaker 1: on that drive anyway though. Yeah, all right, So how
Speaker 1: about the Zeke call? Oh that was Is that the
Speaker 1: first time in NFL history that's been called on ten times?
Speaker 1: There's ten or eleven times? But was it but with
Speaker 1: an offensive player being the initiator? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that last night on the on
Speaker 1: the post game show. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that that that safety was going low on the player
Speaker 1: right there. That was a question. So would they have
Speaker 1: called it on the safety because he went low with
Speaker 1: his head? Oh no, he went real low, That's what
Speaker 1: And that's what Zeke said after the game was if
Speaker 1: he's going low, then I've got to go low to
Speaker 1: protect myself. Yeah, but he also qualified it and said
Speaker 1: the rules are to keep us all safe. So I've
Speaker 1: got to go back and look at it, and maybe
Speaker 1: I've got to do better with my technique. But he's
Speaker 1: being nice well, that was a question that came up
Speaker 1: in training camp when the officials came and talked to
Speaker 1: us about And that was one of the questions though
Speaker 1: with the new rules, was can you can a running
Speaker 1: back be called for this for trying to lower his
Speaker 1: head and make a play. And the dude said, you
Speaker 1: have to judge intent. Yeah, the intent wasn't to hurt somebody.
Speaker 1: The intent was to protect myself. Right, you hurt himself.
Speaker 1: He had to come off the field for a couple
Speaker 1: of plays, right kind of. He said, he got a
Speaker 1: singer and a singer and briefly lost feeling in his
Speaker 1: arm by the time he came he went into the tent.
Speaker 1: By the time he came back, he said he was
Speaker 1: pretty much okay. Yeah, and he finished out the game
Speaker 1: very well. Because I remember asking that guy and then
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let us use it. I said, what happens
Speaker 1: on the goal line when the guy goes up in
Speaker 1: the air, Yeah, and he's coming down and he hits
Speaker 1: somebody with his helmet, and the guy goes, well, you
Speaker 1: have to judge intent. Did he come down with the
Speaker 1: intent to use his helmet to hit somebody? And he
Speaker 1: goes and that'll be a judgment call. Chances are not
Speaker 1: because you went up and then you're coming down out. Well,
Speaker 1: this was no different. They got over officious in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter for some reason. And also on that on
Speaker 1: the Zeke play, he had Camu gruge Hill on his
Speaker 1: back pushing yes down and there's another hands engaged all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly, But you're right they
Speaker 1: got overly officious down the stretch of that game. You
Speaker 1: don't give you my philosophy on how they need to
Speaker 1: officiate the game. They need to put these guys every
Speaker 1: twenty yards on like one of those volleyball stands so
Speaker 1: you can see what's going on instead of being on
Speaker 1: the field. Because you cannot see on the field. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I was. They could just flip the coin to start
Speaker 1: the game and stay out of the way. That's what
Speaker 1: they need to do. Is they need to put him
Speaker 1: in Booger's stand. Yeah, let the thing go down the
Speaker 1: field tennis. Yeah, but a high chair, absolutely, a high chair.
Speaker 1: That'd be funny, you see, but they can see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also people be running into the tower outside. Take
Speaker 1: your chance? Why not? All right, lit a lot of
Speaker 1: pads on the thing. Let's go to Rick in Ohio,
Speaker 1: your first up on Talking Cowboys. Hello, Rick, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to say I appreciate everything you guys do for
Speaker 1: US Cowboys fans out here, and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: say I hope Michael Gallus stays on the right track.
Speaker 1: He's been getting open, but I know the ball hasn't
Speaker 1: been balling to him. I just want him to keep
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. Thank you guys having a bus
Speaker 1: a day, appreciate three games in a road. He's he's
Speaker 1: been right there two different occasions. I think last night, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: He's just got to keep plugging away. He's really coming
Speaker 1: on as a as a young receiver. They can get
Speaker 1: separation and make big plays. They've got they've got a
Speaker 1: guy on each side on the outside. They can do it.
Speaker 1: The one and I think he lost the ball right
Speaker 1: because I saw Dak go, Yeah, look for the ball.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing. And Mariy Cooper can find the football.
Speaker 1: You see Mary Cooper and that ball is going in
Speaker 1: the air. He's got his eyes on it. And I
Speaker 1: think I think what happens to Gallop is that he
Speaker 1: fights so hard to get off the line because he
Speaker 1: really doesn't know how to get off the line the
Speaker 1: right way. Yet you know, Cooper's is so smooth and
Speaker 1: the way he separates, so that's kind of a battle
Speaker 1: for for gallop and then he kind of he gets okay,
Speaker 1: I'm clear, and oh where's the ball? Kind of a
Speaker 1: bit you know, where he stops running or he he
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, or he doesn't run fast enough, or
Speaker 1: Dak just doesn't get him. I mean, how many how
Speaker 1: many players have they left when you said it with
Speaker 1: last three games? Last three games? Now I think I
Speaker 1: mean they could have. They just could have. You know,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, they've got to throw the ball deep,
Speaker 1: they got to throw it. They throw the ball deep
Speaker 1: and they you know, and it doesn't work out that way.
Speaker 1: Now he did I might have been the Atlanta game
Speaker 1: or he you know press coverage, Oh yeah he got off, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a forty yard pick up. They've hit it some.
Speaker 1: It just hasn't been consistent. Yeah, that's that's disappointment, Dove
Speaker 1: for this one. Well, they could have killed the game
Speaker 1: at the end. You know, they could have killed that
Speaker 1: game in regulation if if they just hook up on
Speaker 1: that one pass at the end, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: they knew what they were doing. They Hey, they you know,
Speaker 1: Scott Linehan's watching the game from above, He's looking at
Speaker 1: it going, He's going, they can't cover our guys. Guys,
Speaker 1: and they let's just throw this thing deep. See what happens. Right.
Speaker 1: You know, they had a shot, had a shot to
Speaker 1: make it work, just didn't make it all right. Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott's performance, you touched on it off the top, and
Speaker 1: of course the records that were set, and I think
Speaker 1: basically what Garrett said after the game and what you
Speaker 1: said off the top, Rob is what I take away.
Speaker 1: The just the mental toughness of playing through every the
Speaker 1: ebbs and flows of a game is one of the
Speaker 1: most impressive things about it. Blood all over him, he's
Speaker 1: got band aids on his hands. You know, this guy
Speaker 1: gives you everything. He has, everything he's got. He's never
Speaker 1: gonna be a great quarterback, but he is going to
Speaker 1: be a guy. He's a winner. That is exactly the
Speaker 1: best compliment you can pay him is he will give
Speaker 1: you everything he has. He's not mechanically going to be great,
Speaker 1: He's not always going to be accurate. But when the
Speaker 1: when the when they start to flip the cards over
Speaker 1: and start pushing chips to the mill of table. This
Speaker 1: guy's sitting at the table looking at you right in
Speaker 1: his eye. I mean, he is not going to back
Speaker 1: down from a challenge. He's not going to sit there
Speaker 1: and fold up and all that. Yeah. Does he need
Speaker 1: to protect the ball in the pocket. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: need to block better for him. Yeah, they need to
Speaker 1: do that, you know, to throw the interception that he
Speaker 1: had the first interception. It was almost a great anticipation
Speaker 1: throw because they run Cooper across the field and he's anticipating,
Speaker 1: you know, him being in that spot. He's stolen to
Speaker 1: a spot. But give Douglas some credit. I mean, he
Speaker 1: came off. If you maybe if you put I mean,
Speaker 1: if they had they had Sholtz to that side running
Speaker 1: the out, if you put at a wide receiver to
Speaker 1: that side running the out, maybe Douglas has to respect
Speaker 1: that a little more and then is not allowed to
Speaker 1: funnel inside to make that play. But you know, Dak,
Speaker 1: I don't think you could say enough good about him.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not going to be perfect, but he
Speaker 1: the one thing you could say about him is he
Speaker 1: is a tough sob and every time it's on the line,
Speaker 1: he will give you everything he has, good or bad,
Speaker 1: to try and see what he can do. And as
Speaker 1: far as being a leader of men, yeah, that people
Speaker 1: feed his teammates feed off of all that stuff that
Speaker 1: he brings to the table. And yet, having said that,
Speaker 1: he completed seventy seven percent of his passes for four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five yards four fifty five. How many
Speaker 1: quarterbacks can throw two interceptions, lose a fumble and not
Speaker 1: tucked tail right. Yeah, and he came back. He came
Speaker 1: back and three touchdowns. Got a quarterback rating of one
Speaker 1: oh four. Would you take that every game? Absolutely? A
Speaker 1: quarterback rating of one four inception. Yeah, that's unbelievable. It's
Speaker 1: just shame. I mean, I'm interested to see what Lenahan
Speaker 1: or somebody says about the the interception that he had,
Speaker 1: because he had gallop in the middle of the field
Speaker 1: and it looked like to me, and I'm not a quarterback,
Speaker 1: you know, whisper or anything like that, but you just look,
Speaker 1: it looks like the toe was pointed right, it looked
Speaker 1: like the shoulder was pointed right. But the ball he
Speaker 1: threw it it was way above his head, I mean
Speaker 1: like way above it. Yeah, he takes that huge stride
Speaker 1: and that then his arm angle gets a little funny
Speaker 1: on him, and when the ball sails on him, it's
Speaker 1: usually when he has that long stride. But you know,
Speaker 1: if he if he just a little bit tighter down,
Speaker 1: I think would have been would have got the ball there.
Speaker 1: But the ball was way way way high, and that's
Speaker 1: why I think it sailed on him on that particular play.
Speaker 1: And he's the type quarterback that the those fundamentals are
Speaker 1: imperative for him. He gets away with some crazy fundamentals.
Speaker 1: But he also I mean he threw a past to
Speaker 1: Zeke underneath where he's jumping through the middle of the
Speaker 1: pocket and you know, trying to just get him the ball.
Speaker 1: And I mean there's it's he's not perfect. He's not perfect,
Speaker 1: you know. But was he better than Wentz? Oh yeah
Speaker 1: he was. Yeah, Wentz two hundred twenty eight yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had three touchdowns and no picks. He had a
Speaker 1: good game too, but they didn't really get going till late.
Speaker 1: And Zach Ertz five catches for thirty eight yards. Again,
Speaker 1: that that was the biggest thing. Yeah, defensively, you know,
Speaker 1: were they didn't run the ball and they didn't get
Speaker 1: the ball to Zach Ertz. Yeah, I mean they made
Speaker 1: some plays late, but take away the turnover that got
Speaker 1: him inside the five yard line for a touchdown, and
Speaker 1: the defense really, you know, gave up sixteen points again.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, about dak as a tremendous effort. The
Speaker 1: other thing is, too, you got to give credit again
Speaker 1: to the front office for going out and you know
Speaker 1: you traded a first round pick. But Amari Cooper is
Speaker 1: as quarterback friendly as it gets. I mean, his route running,
Speaker 1: he's he just seems like he's always in position to
Speaker 1: make a play. And they capitalized again, Brian, like you said,
Speaker 1: on a depleted secondary for Philly, that's goodnytime. But we've
Speaker 1: seen him not do things like that a beat up
Speaker 1: offensive line or a beat up secondary and all that.
Speaker 1: They did a great job, everybody. Cole Beasley was open
Speaker 1: a bunch in this game too, by the way, go
Speaker 1: back and watch that tape. A matter of fact, on
Speaker 1: the touchdown he threw the twenty seven yard touchdown pass
Speaker 1: he threw to Cooper, he could have thrown the ball
Speaker 1: to Cole Beasley on the on the pivot route and
Speaker 1: it would have been a touchdown as well. There was
Speaker 1: nobody between Beasley Beasley ran some really good routes yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just gotta keep doing that. You gotta keep
Speaker 1: doing that. All right, Let's go to Eric in Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Your next up. I'm talking Cowboys. Hello, Eric, Hello, what
Speaker 1: really surprised me yesterday? And I want to talk about
Speaker 1: something different because you guys, you guys already hit Dad,
Speaker 1: You're Hitmorry. I want to talk about the tight end
Speaker 1: made some amazing catchy like and and at Dak threw
Speaker 1: the ball where he had to the tight ends, but
Speaker 1: then they they caught the ball and actually did something
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah. I think that's a game, yes, for
Speaker 1: our tight ends that we could probably build on going
Speaker 1: to the postseason, knowing that maybe we can get our
Speaker 1: tight ends into the game where I'm not sure when
Speaker 1: Swam moves back, but we can get our tight ends
Speaker 1: into game, especially with Jarman digit I mean, he looked
Speaker 1: amazing just the catches he made and he was able
Speaker 1: to go up field afterwards he caught the ball and
Speaker 1: then one upfield. It was really promising because I think
Speaker 1: that's a different threat that he hasn't really had this shit.
Speaker 1: And then I mean eleven for eleven, but they just
Speaker 1: all three him had had a decent game with Jarmin
Speaker 1: I think stood out above above all three to tight end.
Speaker 1: But that's what I wanted to hit on and see
Speaker 1: what you guys copingsa yeah, summing out party for Blake Jarwin.
Speaker 1: Seven catches, fifty six yards. It's amazing what a little
Speaker 1: experience will do for a guy still drafting a tight end.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh but still the guy hadn't
Speaker 1: played and everybody expected him and Schultz right off the
Speaker 1: bat to be Jason Wooden and one's gonna happen. Well
Speaker 1: they I'll tell you what though. Those those guys did
Speaker 1: a nice job. There's no question about that. The plays
Speaker 1: that they were able to, the play that the ball
Speaker 1: that Schultz cut with them when they faked the toss
Speaker 1: go and when I love that play when he do
Speaker 1: that when they faked and he shows his hand and
Speaker 1: then everything comes and it's the two level read and
Speaker 1: all that. I love it because I thought he was
Speaker 1: going to throw the ball underneath and Noah Brown, but
Speaker 1: he threw it over the top because you know why,
Speaker 1: because Dalton Schultz ran a hell of her out to
Speaker 1: get open. But yeah, it's good to see those guys
Speaker 1: have some success. We've been been critical of the position,
Speaker 1: and you know the fact that they showed up in
Speaker 1: an important game, I think, you know, like the caller says,
Speaker 1: hopefully that bodes well down the stretch that they can
Speaker 1: they can get some of those guys going, maybe get
Speaker 1: some of these guys going in the red zone a
Speaker 1: little bit, or maybe the linebackers are stocked covering the
Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, instead of jamming the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this morning, Jason Garrett had a
Speaker 1: one word answer to question about the reports that you say,
Speaker 1: no the Cowboys have reached out to Jason Witton about
Speaker 1: making a return. The one word answer was no. Did
Speaker 1: they follow up? No? No? Why not? Because that that
Speaker 1: no was a stopper. It was no where does schefter
Speaker 1: get that stuff? Dalton Schultz got asked about it after
Speaker 1: the game. Did you guys do you guys see the reports?
Speaker 1: Did that kind of fire up something in your coffee
Speaker 1: there this morning? You know this morning, old site. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't pay attention to that stuff. You know what
Speaker 1: though no one, no one asked or ascertained, uh when
Speaker 1: it happened? Like when because at the thirteenth week, if
Speaker 1: you come off or reserve, retired, gotta go through gotta
Speaker 1: go through waivers. Yeah, so somebody could have said, oh no,
Speaker 1: I want him. Yeah. Now he could have said no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it back exactly. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing like a good old Sunday headline. That's right. That
Speaker 1: was what happens on Sunday mornings. Gotta have a story.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, nothing, not being critical. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's just this and stop. Did you guys want
Speaker 1: him back? Well, if you're the Cowboys, put you okay,
Speaker 1: I know it's not happening. But if you're the Cowboys
Speaker 1: at that time, you know, would you have wanted him back?
Speaker 1: But my question would be taking Yeah, how long would
Speaker 1: it take for him to get into football shape? What
Speaker 1: kind of shape is he in right now? I think
Speaker 1: at his age, that looks good, hair looks great, hair
Speaker 1: looks really good, helmetal messing, No, and how process oriented
Speaker 1: he is, though, don't you think he would have wanted
Speaker 1: a full camp to really give himself the best chance.
Speaker 1: You really see him just saying oh yeah, I can
Speaker 1: jump right back here. Those guys that think he could
Speaker 1: turn it on and off, do you think he would quit?
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna happen take beating. He has
Speaker 1: taken a beating from who the fans who watched Mickey whoa. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, Mickey, sometimes I agree with you. You
Speaker 1: know what, we're supposed to be instructing him, you know what,
Speaker 1: the pandering talking about, the beating that he takes on
Speaker 1: Twitter Everyboday night. Thank you all for listening. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got at work. I've got a big old computer
Speaker 1: screen and I've got my tweet deck on there, and
Speaker 1: they're just ripping him the whole time. And so i'd
Speaker 1: in fact, I got video of it. I shot video
Speaker 1: of it. Is I had one column I just put
Speaker 1: in a Twitter search Witten, Yeah, and the other column
Speaker 1: I did a Twitter search Trump and Who's winning, And
Speaker 1: I looked to see which column moves faster and certain
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Speaker 1: All right, I need to give I need to give
Speaker 1: your number to my daughters. You are asking about that. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: all right. Of course, one of my daughters, Jordan, listens
Speaker 1: to the show, so she's thank you already exactly right.
Speaker 1: Sure we're not when you're not when the fans we hate? Right?
Speaker 1: And she she is stuck with us throughout the season.
Speaker 1: That her Yeah, yeah, so she enjoys it. She listens
Speaker 1: to podcast all the time. This is one of her
Speaker 1: favorite ones. Does she like Mickey's minute? I think she does.
Speaker 1: It's time I appeal to the young people. Oh is
Speaker 1: that right? Yes? Is that right? Gardless of what you
Speaker 1: guys think, take a pull this. I'm not sure you
Speaker 1: appeal to Rob. Yeah, well he's not young anymore, right,
Speaker 1: I want under under thirty? Oh okay, okay, I don't know, Mickey.
Speaker 1: We worked a lot of young kids. We we seem
Speaker 1: to bounce around you and I, yeah, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the fans. Yeah all right, but the fans you hate? Yes, yeah, yeah, fans.
Speaker 1: It's the fans. I'm trying to educate the fans. God,
Speaker 1: here we go, trying to educate him. That's yeah. Let's say,
Speaker 1: let's see if Lloyd in Virginia can educate us. Lloyd,
Speaker 1: you're on talking cowboys? Hey, guys, thanks a lot for
Speaker 1: having me appreciate all you do. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, of course Mickey's right. I've
Speaker 1: been agreeing with Mickey the whole year, way back to
Speaker 1: goes back to the beginning when I was saying, where's
Speaker 1: Doug free? Because the offensive arms thinks something something we
Speaker 1: thought we'd never say. Yea, And I thought we were
Speaker 1: turning back into David Carr because he was being sacked
Speaker 1: so much. But the team is growing, they're doing great
Speaker 1: for all this. You've got great analysis. This is this
Speaker 1: is a wonderful victory. You've been right on, Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: If we could just put a little bit of air
Speaker 1: under the ball, right, we'd really have a super explosive offense.
Speaker 1: And I think Connor did a good job coming in.
Speaker 1: It's still young, not as strong as a real man.
Speaker 1: He's just a young guy. But they're really growing. If
Speaker 1: Zach is okay, we're gonna be fine. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, Lloyd Mark fan right there, all right,
Speaker 1: something to watch coming out of the Zach Martin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's ah. They were saying, the preliminary indication,
Speaker 1: it's similar to the previous injury. But what are y'all hearing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know all those MCLs. You gotta let him rest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he hasn't let it rest. There's no time to rest.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't know if you say, hey,
Speaker 1: can we get by one more game and let him
Speaker 1: have two weeks because when you sprain your MCL it's
Speaker 1: two to four doing nothing and sometimes four to six.
Speaker 1: Can I be real selfish here? He's from Indianapolis, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's from l You're probably right, go in there, play
Speaker 1: win this game and then sit him the last two
Speaker 1: if you can't. You know what I'm saying, strap that
Speaker 1: brace on just yeah, just you know, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. He's gonna want to practice. You know,
Speaker 1: he's from Indianapolis. You know you look at their there.
Speaker 1: They've got an all pro guard there too as a rookie.
Speaker 1: You know he Notre Dame, Notre Dame guy too. You
Speaker 1: know he's been tough all year. I mean, Zach has
Speaker 1: been tough. If you could find a way to win
Speaker 1: this game, yeah, I and then and then turn around
Speaker 1: and say, okay, we're gonna give you two weeks before
Speaker 1: you have to play back at home against Minnesota or
Speaker 1: Seattle or whoever. You know, actually by time you play
Speaker 1: it would be three weeks. I just wonder, Yeah, some point,
Speaker 1: does he need to sit down for a week. And
Speaker 1: I know they had the bye week because he heard
Speaker 1: it against Philadelphia and they had kind of a mini
Speaker 1: buy for him to rest it. And it's just he's
Speaker 1: been continuing to fight with this thing, and this time
Speaker 1: he didn't return to the game. You know, he returned
Speaker 1: to the game the first time in Philly after plays.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and there, I mean, we'll see. He's
Speaker 1: as tough as it comes physically and mentally. I just
Speaker 1: think he's gonna want to line up and play in
Speaker 1: this game. Sure, that's his hometown. Did they take Tyrn's
Speaker 1: elbow brace and put her down his d That was
Speaker 1: some talk about Fish has some BS calls on those holdings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's some that's some crap. You know, I just hate that.
Speaker 1: Throw your hands up in the air and get some attention. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh I'm being held. I can't get away. No, the
Speaker 1: reason you can't get away because he locked you're yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But he's always had trouble with Brandon Graham. Brandon Graham's
Speaker 1: a good player against him, you know, it's like him
Speaker 1: and Olivier Vernon pass rushing. Yeah, those kind of smaller
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, your leverage players. Yeah right, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's the caller was right about about Connor Williams being ready.
Speaker 1: It wasn't pretty. Garrett's gonna say that today. A couple
Speaker 1: of times he looked like he was in a you know,
Speaker 1: in a revolving door, kind of getting knocked around a
Speaker 1: little bit. But you know, for him to come in
Speaker 1: and play, he hadn't played right guard all year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so how big of a change is that for Well,
Speaker 1: it's just a line of sight, you know, and he
Speaker 1: hadn't worked with He hadn't worked with Collins very much.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to be able to pass some
Speaker 1: stunts and twists and make calls and communication back and forth. So,
Speaker 1: you know, good job by him being ready to play.
Speaker 1: You know, it could have been a bad situation, but
Speaker 1: they didn't really miss a beat. You know, they were
Speaker 1: able to get the get the win with him playing
Speaker 1: in the game, especially with Zach Martin's issue with his knee.
Speaker 1: You would assume, though, in practice, that Williams has been
Speaker 1: getting some work in practice at yea, he has, he has.
Speaker 1: That's the swing guy. He has been the swing guy.
Speaker 1: He plays both the left and the right side. That
Speaker 1: not a whole heck of a lot, but you know,
Speaker 1: primarily been that left side guy. Yeah, and not not
Speaker 1: a very easy assignment against that Eagle's front either, No, especially,
Speaker 1: I mean they can put a brace on your knee
Speaker 1: still sprained, yeah, you know, a de brace doesn't fix
Speaker 1: it right. Defensively, what what was the biggest thing that
Speaker 1: stood out defensively for the Cowboys in that game? They
Speaker 1: were able to take zach ERNs out of this game?
Speaker 1: You know it? And it was Byron Jones. I mean
Speaker 1: I counted up at the the receptions that went or
Speaker 1: the balls that went towards went to towards zach Ernz
Speaker 1: He had uh, he had Jeff Heath on him three times.
Speaker 1: They played zone against him three times. Mickey and then
Speaker 1: Byron Jones and and Anthony Brown each had him one time.
Speaker 1: So that was it. Vandersch had him one time. Now,
Speaker 1: that was that was just it was made in between
Speaker 1: the tax that was one of the zones. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was one of the zone called yeah, the zones because
Speaker 1: he slipped right, Yeah, that's that's you know other than
Speaker 1: that first really that first first down he converted though,
Speaker 1: that was some really really good That was a zone
Speaker 1: play too, But that was some great coverage, great coverage
Speaker 1: by I could say Byron Jones and go back and
Speaker 1: count them all the times that he was on and
Speaker 1: by himself not but that those of the adjustments you
Speaker 1: have to make. You know, that's smart. That's hey, that
Speaker 1: guy is comfortable covering that guy. He's played against that guy.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a huge advantage right there, when you
Speaker 1: played against the guy and you've had some success and
Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier for those coaches say, okay,
Speaker 1: listen this down and distance, you're gonna walk over there
Speaker 1: and take this guy. First two years as a safety,
Speaker 1: it was Byron go get that tight end. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: faced a lot of good ones and it used to
Speaker 1: be witting in practice exactly. You know what they didn't
Speaker 1: get diminishing returns, moving him inside, no thought Anthony Brown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown was should tell you know what if that
Speaker 1: defensive front keeps making quarterbacks uncomfortable, yeah, it makes it
Speaker 1: a lot easier. And I you know, I know they
Speaker 1: only sat backed him twice should have been three times
Speaker 1: with Gregory, but they were making him uncomfortable in the
Speaker 1: pocket and all his little hocus pocus stuff handling the football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they shut that down. Tyrone Crawford comes up with a
Speaker 1: takeaway strip sack. He continues, I don't think he gets
Speaker 1: enough credit for what he does for this defense, just
Speaker 1: being that chess piece, the butcher moving. Is that his nickname? Yeah,
Speaker 1: butcher for Marinelli. Yeah, just whatever this defensive line needs,
Speaker 1: because the butcher comes to work every day. If you
Speaker 1: go if you go back and you talk about what
Speaker 1: the defensive line does, and then you know, if you remember,
Speaker 1: I was just looking through my notes again. They throw
Speaker 1: a ball to Ernst on third and nine. I believe
Speaker 1: it was with Byron Jones and coverage, and it goes
Speaker 1: it's the balls too high. But DeMarcus Lawrence got such
Speaker 1: a push on Lane Johnson and I and Lane Johnson
Speaker 1: just can't Howard handle power. And Lawrence caught him with
Speaker 1: his foot. He was he saw on him so quick
Speaker 1: that he caught him with his foot in the air.
Speaker 1: So he was really a one legged football player. And
Speaker 1: Lawrence just shoves him with his right hand and now
Speaker 1: he's you know, now Johnson's out of balance, and then
Speaker 1: you know you got Lawrence on top, and now the
Speaker 1: ball's going too high. I mean, Wentz has to climb
Speaker 1: the front of the pocket. There the defenders right there
Speaker 1: in his face. So yeah, I mean you continue to
Speaker 1: get pressure and you continue to get coverage, you're gonna
Speaker 1: find ways to get off the field. And that's what
Speaker 1: they've been able to do, and especially stopping the run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had thirty four yards rushing and their leading ball
Speaker 1: carrier was Adams with thirty six and he had one
Speaker 1: run of total four. Yeah, go do the math on Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really thought they were going to shut him out.
Speaker 1: I really did. The way the momentum they had until
Speaker 1: Dak threw the pick they got returned. I think inside
Speaker 1: the five they couldn't do anything. They couldn't get any
Speaker 1: momentum offensively, Philly. I mean it kind of turned late,
Speaker 1: but again this defense continues to play overall really strong.
Speaker 1: All right, Mike in New York, you're on talking Cowboys. Hello, Mike,
Speaker 1: what's out? Guys? Was my first time gone, but I've
Speaker 1: done on some to you guys for a very long time.
Speaker 1: My name guys, you know, talk about this all the week.
Speaker 1: I don't think we struggled so much in the like
Speaker 1: in the red zone. I mean, I just like we
Speaker 1: moved the ball on anybody. But it's like Brian, he's
Speaker 1: been talking this for a while, and it's just like
Speaker 1: I don't understand, like why we struggled so much. I mean,
Speaker 1: is it? I mean, I mean, is it? I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's just one thing. I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: know we used to pound the rock, but it's just
Speaker 1: like I don't understand, Well, it's not so much the
Speaker 1: red zone, it's goal, the goal they were oversight again.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this first again. Is it the
Speaker 1: first play? Is it the first play that kind of
Speaker 1: sets up the problems? I mean, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: that you're not having a positive first play. Am I
Speaker 1: talking about a sack? But maybe it no gain? Maybe yea?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it? Is it something that gets them
Speaker 1: so off balance? Then you're always trying to catch up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you're trying to kind of create plays to
Speaker 1: make it work. Yeah. I don't. I have no problem
Speaker 1: with them getting out the red zone and just throwing
Speaker 1: twenty seven yard touchdown passes to Mark Cooper all day.
Speaker 1: If that's what really wanted. But is it the first play?
Speaker 1: We are we kind of seeing things that Okay, if
Speaker 1: they if they if it knocks them for no game
Speaker 1: and out second end goal, or it's you know, they
Speaker 1: tried to read option, which everybody's like, everybody's like going, oh,
Speaker 1: they needed more read option down there there, hand it
Speaker 1: to Zeke read option. You know, well, they do get
Speaker 1: minus four, like Bill says, five minus five on the
Speaker 1: first one, okay. And then the second time, which was
Speaker 1: a third quarter, it was the incompletion to Beasley, right, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then on the second play, Jarwin came across Zeke
Speaker 1: and then and they maybe even bumped a little bit right,
Speaker 1: that was kind of screwed up right starting blocking wise,
Speaker 1: And I guess maybe the speed option was right after that.
Speaker 1: I don't remembers DAK plus zero. I don't remember what
Speaker 1: I see. That's I wonder if it's just that first play,
Speaker 1: and now Lenahan's kind of like, ah, damn it, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's got to you know, figure something out, and
Speaker 1: it's not and then you know, then you don't get guys. Execute.
Speaker 1: I mean that to me is a big thing. I
Speaker 1: think ex down there, Execution is huge, and they've missed
Speaker 1: open receivers, missed open in the end zone because you'll
Speaker 1: see you watch it. I mean, teams are loading up
Speaker 1: against Zeke in those goal of goal situations and it's
Speaker 1: almost like, well, we've got to pass. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can say, don't be pass happy handed to your best player,
Speaker 1: but it maybe in some situations it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a brick wall thing where all right, we've got a
Speaker 1: matchup on the elbe I need to go look at that.
Speaker 1: I need to go back and look at all the
Speaker 1: starting you know, starting plays of and chart that and
Speaker 1: see what the issues are that you have negative plays.
Speaker 1: And for the second time, it was first in goal
Speaker 1: to five and they threw the little out pass to
Speaker 1: Beasley's smoke. Yeah, and it was it was a one
Speaker 1: yard game. Yeah. And then Zeke up the middle for
Speaker 1: two yeah. And then he went to that kept the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They tried to quarterback draw. That's what it was. Quarterback draw.
Speaker 1: That's quarterback draw. I remember it now. Now in overtime
Speaker 1: you get in the red zone. Was that it was
Speaker 1: that a read option with Dak before the couple of
Speaker 1: plays before the touchdown in overtime got a six yard
Speaker 1: gain from the eighteen No, yes, yes, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It's a weapon in the red zone.
Speaker 1: They've had six some success with that. Um. I just
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem I think they have a good first play,
Speaker 1: you know, whether execution, whether it's mental mistake, sack what
Speaker 1: I mean, it just seems like they have they have
Speaker 1: issues down there that with those throws. And if you
Speaker 1: if you learn place what happened in overtime, I mean
Speaker 1: they overcame a holding call. Oh yeah, they went from
Speaker 1: second and nine to second and nineteen. Yeah, fifty, yeah,
Speaker 1: hit Cooper first down. Yeah, that converted third and third
Speaker 1: and nine then converted. Yeah. Nate and I were like,
Speaker 1: just get half, Nate goes, just get half here, Just
Speaker 1: get half. You know again, that's no one that the
Speaker 1: Eagles can't play past defense. That's that's that's feeling like,
Speaker 1: you know what, Okay, just get half and we'll get
Speaker 1: the other half here on this play. So yeah, great
Speaker 1: win though. Gosh, yes, it was five in a row.
Speaker 1: They're bill they're on their way to twelve in a row.
Speaker 1: That's right. I called it when there were three and five.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna chart this all the way to
Speaker 1: Atlanta and the super Bowl. All right, We continue with
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