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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to a big

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Speaker 2: Scotus ruling that came.

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Speaker 4: I guess that's right.

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Speaker 3: This is a major Supreme Court ruling that happened in

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Speaker 3: the middle of ceasefire, so you may have missed it

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Speaker 3: and you're definitely forgiven. We can go ahead and put

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Speaker 3: this up there on the screen, and I'll just read

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Speaker 3: a little bit from the decision. Quote, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: has now made it easier for the Trump administration to

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Speaker 3: deport convicted criminals. To quote third countries to which they

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Speaker 3: have no previous connection. In a brief unsigned order that

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Speaker 3: did not explain its reasoning, the court put on hold

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Speaker 3: a federal job is ruling that said those affected Nation

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Speaker 3: nine should have a needingful opportunity to bring claims. They

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Speaker 3: would be at risk if they were sent to countries

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Speaker 3: the administration has made deals with to receive deported immigrants.

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Speaker 3: As a result, the Administration will be able to quickly

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Speaker 3: remove immigrants to such third countries, including South Sudan. Affected

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Speaker 3: immigrants can still attempt to bring individual claims. So what

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Speaker 3: you're basically seeing there is this happened I know while

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Speaker 3: I was gone, but there was what was it? A

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Speaker 3: deportation to South Sudan of several I think individuals here

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Speaker 3: illegally in the United States. Well, what has now happened

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Speaker 3: is that the Supreme Court is allowing the deportation of this. However,

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Speaker 3: the legal process which is done still remains up in

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Speaker 3: the air. As I understand it, it allows for such

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Speaker 3: deportation to take place, but there's still open questions around

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Speaker 3: due process, just like with the Alien Enemies Act. But broadly,

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Speaker 3: it was a win for the Trump administration at an

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Speaker 3: executive level.

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it, and was split along partisan lines.

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Speaker 2: The I don't think there was much question about whether

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Speaker 2: or not the administration could deport people to third countries

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Speaker 2: places they're not from. That has been, you know, a

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Speaker 2: long standing practice. You know, this is something that's going

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Speaker 2: to get broadly acknowledged that you know, the administration has

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Speaker 2: this power, whether I like it or not. The questionnaire

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Speaker 2: was all around due process. Do you have a chance

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Speaker 2: to challenge that decision to send you? For example, Libya

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Speaker 2: is one of the countries that they want to send

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Speaker 2: people to. We've talked about Libya a lot lately because

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Speaker 2: in the context of Iran, things are not going well

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Speaker 2: in Libya. Reports are that, you know, they certainly in

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Speaker 2: the past add effectively slave markets, and in fact a

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Speaker 2: lot of the people who were sold on those slave

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Speaker 2: Soccer and I agreed, we don't have time to fight

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Speaker 2: about this today, so we'll table this, you know, for

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Speaker 2: a longer discussion later. To me, you should have the

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Speaker 2: going to be tortured and murdered and sold into a

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Speaker 2: slave market if I go to this country, if I'm

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Speaker 2: shipped to this country and have that go through an

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Speaker 2: adjudicated process, effectively the Supreme Court here. And I think

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Speaker 2: say no, you don't really deserve like any sort of

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Speaker 2: lengthy do process, but this is an important decision, and

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Speaker 2: it really bothers me that they didn't even explain their thinking,

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Speaker 3: That really it's a procedural thing in terms of the

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Speaker 3: unsigned order, because it's like the un.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't know they could have, and the descent, the

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Speaker 2: descent was written out and explained, but the actual decision

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Speaker 2: leave all of these questions about why they interpreted it

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Speaker 2: this way and what made them come to this decision.

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Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, I disagree with the

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Speaker 2: consequential decision here. Ultimately, we also wanted to highlight for

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Speaker 2: were supportive of Trump in this past election, and Rogan

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Speaker 2: expresses here some discomfort with the extent of the Trump

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Speaker 2: deportation policy and the way they've gone about it, which,

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Speaker 2: you know, most of the people who are being detained

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Speaker 2: ninety percent are not violent criminals who have been picked

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Speaker 2: up by the Trump administration. And so he expresses in

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Speaker 2: this clip some discomfort with that. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 5: Ice raids are fucking nuts, man, watching this protest on television,

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Speaker 5: it's like.

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Speaker 6: Doing the raids or nuts. The broke the Yeah, it

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Speaker 6: a little too hard.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think if they the Trump administration, if

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Speaker 5: they're running and they said we're going to go to

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Speaker 5: Home Depot and we're going to arrest all the people

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Speaker 5: at Home Depot. We're going to go to construction sites

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Speaker 5: and we're going to just like tackle people with constructions,

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody would signed up for that. They

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Speaker 5: said we're going to get rid of the criminals and

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Speaker 5: the gang member first, right, and now we're we're seeing

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Speaker 5: like home depots get rated.

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Speaker 6: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Something that the Home Depot really struck accord with these

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Speaker 2: guys was just kind of interesting, I guess because it's.

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Speaker 4: Just like so known, so suburban Joe.

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Speaker 2: Probably maybe even has been to because he used to

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Speaker 2: live in La. The particular home depot that was READD.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just say sager, Like on

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Speaker 2: the Iran war stuff, yes, Trump said we should bomb

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Speaker 2: the nuclear sites. He also said he would be the

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Speaker 2: peace candidate. If you weren't paying that close of attention,

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Speaker 2: I can maybe sort of give you the benefit of

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Speaker 2: the doubt in thinking.

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Speaker 1: There was genuine ambiguity there. Yeah, they were Okay.

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Speaker 3: The guy literally came out and said, fuck Israel and Iran,

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Speaker 3: what the fuck they're doing today? And then also called

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Speaker 3: and then said no regime days today.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying you can read whatever you wanted.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 2: You could also have looked at his first term in

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Speaker 2: the how hawk as she was towards run. But like

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Speaker 2: I said, I okay, I can see where you were

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you could give that impression on deportation,

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Speaker 2: like the whole campaign was mass deportation or holding up

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Speaker 2: signs at the R and C that said mass deportation. Now, like,

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Speaker 2: what about that made you think that this was going

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Speaker 2: to be some targeted, we're only going after the criminals

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Speaker 2: kind of approach, because that was not at all what

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Speaker 2: was sold during the election whatsoever. And so I'm glad

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Speaker 2: to see him express concern, But i just think it's

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Speaker 2: insane that you didn't think that was the direction that

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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller was going to go and Tom Homan, we're

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Speaker 2: going to go in if they were put back into power.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't disagree. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: mass deportation was about as clear as it was. I

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Speaker 3: think the mass deportation in the trade war. I guess

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Speaker 3: it's about implementation or seeing like there's something visceral probably

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Speaker 3: about it. I mean, I don't know, because it is

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Speaker 3: one of those things where, look, sometimes people believe in something,

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Speaker 3: but they don't necessarily understand what the overall implication of

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Speaker 3: what it's going to play out is going to look like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's understandable.

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Speaker 3: I guess there hasn't really been a serious massive ortation

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Speaker 3: effort like this in literally what fifty years or something

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Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 1: So you know, to that extent that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, broadly, I mean I would say, in particular

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Speaker 3: there has not really been a single thing I would

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Speaker 3: maybe Seacott, I would say, the rest of it has

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Speaker 3: not personally surprised me, like like.

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Speaker 4: Home Depot surprised me.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, Seacott.

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Speaker 3: But even if he said he was going to do

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Speaker 3: the Alien Enemies Act literally on the campaign trail, I

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Speaker 3: think in the seventy days before he came to seventy

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Speaker 3: days before he was elected, he's like, here's my plan

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Speaker 3: to use the Alien Enemies Act and to immediately expedite deportation. Again,

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Speaker 3: you could sympathize because people are not paying attention, but

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Speaker 3: at a lack mass deportation level. They made it pretty clear.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, they were talking about criminal and illegal,

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Speaker 3: but you know, a large part of it here was

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Speaker 3: about labor and cheap labor specifically. That's been a central

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Speaker 1: But I guess people.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes maybe see what I want to see as well

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Speaker 3: with a criminal comment.

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Speaker 4: I think that I think that's a good point.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and take a listen to Andrew Schultz just

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Speaker 2: did this long interview with the New York Times, which

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Speaker 2: I listened to all of I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I haven't listened the full thing yet.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The two of the interviewer and him were kind of

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Speaker 1: I think the interviewer really didn't get his deal.

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Speaker 3: And yet anyway, yeah, what I read in the transcript,

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Speaker 3: I didn't listen to it.

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Speaker 2: I did listen to it, and you didn't get a

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Speaker 2: lot out of it. I don't know if it was Andrews.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's an interviewer's fault. They just

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Speaker 2: didn't really there wasn't. It wasn't a great pairing. I

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Speaker 2: would say, the two of them together in any case,

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Speaker 2: Andrew made some kind of similar comments with regard to

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Speaker 2: immigration and Trump. Let's go and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 7: And in terms of immigration, like I want more like

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Speaker 7: if you broke the law, you did any if you

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Speaker 7: if you broke the law, you you fucked up. You

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Speaker 7: already here illegally, so you already broke the law, and

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Speaker 7: you're breaking the law.

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Speaker 6: You got to go.

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Speaker 7: If you've been working your ass off for ten years here,

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Speaker 7: you've got a family. There's got to be a system

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Speaker 7: where we can just give these people a pathway to

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Speaker 7: citizenship or a Greek card or something. There has to

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Speaker 7: be a better way than simply just hey, you go.

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Speaker 7: And that's what I was pleading with him for on

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Speaker 7: the pod, which is maybe pleading is a strong word,

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Speaker 7: but I was asking him to show empathy for these

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Speaker 7: people that he's also employed. I was like, listen, you've

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Speaker 7: had hotels. You know these people. You know that they're

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Speaker 7: going to bust their ass, They're going to work hard,

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Speaker 7: and they want a better life. It's like, why my

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Speaker 7: great grandparents.

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Speaker 6: Or some shit came here.

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Speaker 7: So it's like, I would like there to be much

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Speaker 4: Go to the home depot? So that I mean that

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Speaker 4: Actually no, go in there and go against yeah, home dealer,

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Speaker 3: Look, we're going from this, and it's the schizophrenia actually

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Speaker 3: It's a compliment for the ability to very, you know,

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Speaker 3: take a clik Listen.

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Speaker 8: Ted Cruise is already taking a victory lap. He says,

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Speaker 8: quote it turns out that Tucker was wrong. I just

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Speaker 8: want to get your thoughts on this. Tucker, did Trump

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Speaker 8: prove you and all of us who doubted the wisdom

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Speaker 8: of this strike wrong tonight?

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Speaker 9: Well you could ask Trump, I mean, was this fraught

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Speaker 9: with like existential peril? Of course, I'm so grateful that

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Speaker 9: he brought it in for a landing. I mean, I

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Speaker 9: think we should be grateful to him. I think we

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Speaker 9: should be grateful to God. I think we should understand

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Speaker 9: how close we came. But I also think we should

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Speaker 9: step back and ponder what we've learned. And what we've

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Speaker 9: learned is who cares about the fortunes of the United

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Speaker 9: States and who doesn't? And Ted Creuse doesn't obviously, the

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Speaker 9: people who acknowledged no risk at all because they were

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Speaker 9: so focused on helping other country, like Ted Cruz or

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Speaker 9: like you know, the many people who revealed themselves in

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Speaker 9: the last two weeks, Mark Levin chief among them, Like,

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Speaker 9: those people should not have any access to power at all.

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Speaker 9: Those people roll the dice with your life and with

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Speaker 9: the lives of your children. It's disgusting. And so I mean,

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Speaker 9: just ask yourself, is is Mark Levin concerned it all

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Speaker 9: about the United States?

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Speaker 6: Like at all?

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Speaker 9: And the answer is no. Mark Levin is a repulsive

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Speaker 9: ghoul whose entire sex life consists of watching other people

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Speaker 9: get blown up. He was upset that there was a

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Speaker 9: ceasefire and said, so, how could you be upset with

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Speaker 9: a ceasefire? How could you be upset that people are

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Speaker 9: no longer dying? By the way, I think this seasfire Israel.

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Speaker 9: We have no idea where anything goes in life. That's

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Speaker 9: up to God. But as of right now, it's absolutely

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Speaker 9: real and we should be thankful for it. And so

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Speaker 9: if your first instinct is this is bad, then you've

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Speaker 9: just told us who you are. And look, that's between

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Speaker 9: Mark Levin and God. And I think it's going to

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Speaker 9: be a tough conversation. But for our purposes, you know,

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Speaker 9: Mark Levin should not have access to power. I mean,

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Speaker 9: he almost pushed the President of the United States into

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Speaker 9: a path that would have destroyed the presidency and the

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Speaker 9: United States.

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Speaker 8: Why do you think the Mark Levin's of the world

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Speaker 8: didn't get what they wanted in this case, at least

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Speaker 8: as of right now.

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Speaker 1: Because the President Trump doesn't want nuclear war.

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Speaker 9: I mean, as he said a million times, like he

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Speaker 9: doesn't want Ron to have the bomb because he doesn't

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Speaker 9: want more bombs, because he's afraid of nuclear war, because

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Speaker 9: he understands what it is. I've talked to him about

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Speaker 9: this on and off camera many times, and he has

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Speaker 9: unique among world leaders, like an instinctive aversion to killing

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Speaker 9: millions of people in seconds. And so he's tried about

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Speaker 9: nuclear awards. The reason Telsea Gabbard supported him is the

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Speaker 9: reason they hit Telsea Gabbard now because she raises the actual,

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Speaker 9: the very real specter of mass annihilation.

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Speaker 3: So did what were your broad takeaways considering how newsy

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Speaker 3: it was. You're reacting in the middle of the ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people were going after Tucker saying his

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Speaker 3: predictions were wrong and all that. So you had a

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Speaker 3: lot more in that interview. What were your main takeaways here?

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I mean, I think that point is really crucial.

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Speaker 8: His predictions were wrong. But where he goes from there

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Speaker 8: he admits, I mean, in our conversation, he admits that

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Speaker 8: he was I guess technically wrong. He says that Iran

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Speaker 8: would not have come to the table without Donald Trump's

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Speaker 8: decision to make those strikes. That's one of the ones

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Speaker 8: one of the questions that I put to him. I

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Speaker 8: was curious what he would make of that, as someone

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Speaker 8: who was kind of cheering this apparent piece deal.

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Speaker 6: We'll see, as Trump said.

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Speaker 8: Like an hour ago, Israel and Iran don't know what

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Speaker 8: the fuck they're doing, so who knows where this goes.

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Speaker 8: But Tucker basically was saying even then, the probability of

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Speaker 8: catastrophe was so high that Trump was being pushed to

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Speaker 8: as he saw it being pushed, Which is interesting too,

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Speaker 8: to flirt with disaster, to flirt with utter catastrophe by

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Speaker 8: people like Mark Levin, whose sex life we talked about

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Speaker 8: more than I expected. I expect you to talk about

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Speaker 8: it a little bit, but not quite that much.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 8: And so when you so, that's I think the you

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Speaker 8: can call it cope. But it's also like hey to

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Speaker 8: be paranoid in the face of like thousands of people

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Speaker 8: potentially dying, which is what he predicted, and by the way,

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Speaker 8: I maintain, I think all of us maintained very easily

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Speaker 8: could have been the outcome of those strikes. And Iran sorry,

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Speaker 8: I'm apologized for being a little bit paranoid about that scenario.

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Speaker 8: And that's where he seems to have landed well.

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Speaker 2: I also, I mean the point about he always shields Trump,

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Speaker 2: I think is an important one. You know, it's always

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Speaker 2: Mark Levin's fault, it's Ted Cruz's fault. And thank god

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Speaker 2: we have Trump in there, who actually cares about avoiding

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Speaker 2: nuclear war. I mean that also, I think leads him

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Speaker 2: to have to accept the Trump framing that this brought

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Speaker 2: around to the table, when, of course we know the

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Speaker 2: truth is Ron was at the table when we helped

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Speaker 2: the Israelis literally blow up our own negotiations, which appear

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Speaker 2: to have some prospect of success, So I think I

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Speaker 2: think that's significant. Obviously, I enjoyed watching him call Mark

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Speaker 2: Levin and Ted.

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Speaker 4: Kruz repulsive ghouls. We have more on Ted Kruz.

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Speaker 2: By the way, because he wasn't done with him and

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Speaker 2: you know, had some interesting comments about him and also

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Speaker 2: about Goza. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 9: I've got nothing against Ted Cruz personally. I feel sorry

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Speaker 9: for Ted Cruz obviously a totally hollow person taking instructions.

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Speaker 9: But I do think we learned this is not someone

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Speaker 9: who should be influencing wars because he just doesn't know anything,

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Speaker 9: he doesn't care, and he's not putting America's interests anywhere

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Speaker 9: near the top of his priorities. And that's you know that,

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Speaker 9: Like we saw that. It's on tape and it's kind

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Speaker 9: of hard to unsee it. So this is the moment

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Speaker 9: to just draw a line and say, we can have

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Speaker 9: all kinds of disagreements, and I'm sure that we will

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Speaker 9: over all kinds of things, including wars. But if you've

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Speaker 9: shown that you just don't care what happens to the

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Speaker 9: United States, if you're one of the people who said,

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Speaker 9: you know, the people in Gaza are so dangerous that

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Speaker 9: they have to be expelled from Gaza. And by the way,

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Speaker 9: maybe we should move them to the US. People said that.

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Speaker 9: I think Ben Shapiro said that if you are telling

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Speaker 9: me that the people who live in Gaza are so

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Speaker 9: evil that they can't live where they were born, they

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Speaker 9: have to move somewhere else, and oh, by the way,

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Speaker 9: they should move to my country. What are you saying.

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Speaker 9: You're saying that your country is a trash can into

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Speaker 9: which we can throw our refuse And that's their attitude.

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Speaker 2: So totally hollow person taking instructions but nothing personal. Ted

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Speaker 2: Kruz there, and he also went after Laura Lumer. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he really went down the list of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: people who he saw as being complete and total enemies

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Speaker 2: at this point.

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Speaker 8: He made it Dave Smith joke too, And after he

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Speaker 8: did that, he was like, I hadn't been there. And

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Speaker 8: after he did that, I was like, what we we're

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Speaker 8: playing like Tucker Enemy bingo, Like I have bingo at

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Speaker 8: this point, Like we've gone through everyone.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he also.

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Speaker 8: Mentioned I asked him if he'd talked to Trump in

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Speaker 8: the last couple of days since their sort of back

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Speaker 8: and forth last week, where Trump said something like maybe

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Speaker 8: Tucker should get a cable in the show, like a

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Speaker 8: great boomer insults at Tucker so that people actually know

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Speaker 8: what he's saying. But they talked, and so Tucker said

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Speaker 8: that he had talked to Trump in the last couple

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Speaker 8: of days, and then he repeated the line that the

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Speaker 8: good guy is won this time. And that's really interesting

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Speaker 8: to me because it sounds like Tucker and Steve Bannon

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Speaker 8: feel as though their interventions over the weekend saved Trump

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Speaker 8: from going into regime change mode. And I don't know

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Speaker 8: how accurate that is because it's just really hard to

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Speaker 8: say what happened, but they seem to think that they

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Speaker 8: were lobbying against the Lindsay Graham, Mark Levin, and Mark

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Speaker 8: Levin is indeed still calling for Trump to push Iran

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Speaker 8: to sign a document of unconditional surrender, whatever that actually means.

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Speaker 8: And so there's still risk here that Donald Trump. It's like,

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Speaker 8: as Soccer says Versailles, I mean, this is truly what

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Speaker 8: we're learning. Not that we couldn't have predicted that, but

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Speaker 8: that's what we're learning right now. So that means there's

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Speaker 8: still I think there's still very real risk going forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it is interesting in terms of what

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Speaker 3: you were saying about the lobbying, I do agree. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's probably overstated to a certain extent, but to say

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Speaker 3: it had zero influence, it's just obviously not true. What

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Speaker 3: I actually find more interesting is the war that's happening

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Speaker 3: right now. Like you said, there really is just a

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Speaker 3: split completely on the Israel question at this point against

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Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson. I mean, you know, Dave Rubin, you have

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Speaker 3: multiple like Benchpiro and others, like I mean, I guess

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Speaker 3: you know, it's not like Tucker's been silent on them either,

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Speaker 3: and going back now probably a couple of years, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever been so like outright and

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Speaker 3: in the open. And it is interesting that he doesn't

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Speaker 3: seem actually all that interested in making peace per se

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Speaker 3: and is really just like no, like fuck you actually,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: No, I mean I think that's this is one of

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Speaker 8: the most important political consequences of all of this is

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Speaker 8: Mega is over. And that sounds dramatic, But uh, if this,

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Speaker 8: like this peace deal is sort of tenuous alleged piece deal,

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Speaker 8: we still have to see what happens is tenuous, but

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Speaker 8: Marjorie Taylor, Green, Tucker Carlson are never going to be

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Speaker 8: able to like just agree to disagree with the Dave

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Speaker 8: Rubins and Ben Shapiro's ever again. And does that mean

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Speaker 8: MEGA is over well? From my perspective, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 8: I think that actually is a permanent schism in the coalition.

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Speaker 8: And the other thing that we've seen over the course

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Speaker 8: of last week is that Trump violates what I call

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Speaker 8: a load bearing column of MAGA, which is anti interventionism.

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Speaker 8: It's not just like another thing that comes with the bundle.

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Speaker 8: It's a load bearing column. As so what holds up

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Speaker 8: this coalition when he violates that? People are Bannon Tucker,

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Speaker 8: They're willing to go against him. Maybe Talsei wasn't, but they,

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Speaker 8: like people on the outside, are willing to go against him. Now.

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Speaker 8: Of course, as we've been talking about, they feel like

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Speaker 8: they won. I kind of asked Tucker at one point

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Speaker 8: in our conversation, you know, like it I heard the

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Speaker 8: reporting that Trump was watching Fox News and was really

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Speaker 8: swayed by how impressive the images of the Israelis were.

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Speaker 8: And Tucker said he thinks that's true too. And this

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Speaker 8: is coming from somebody who talked to Trump in the

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Speaker 8: last couple of days. So there's something I think that's

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Speaker 8: really was lost for MAGA in all of this. And

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Speaker 8: the question is how serious that is, But it's it's there.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's a scar for sure.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Emily, I hear what you're saying on

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Speaker 2: that at the sort of influence level. But first of all,

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Speaker 2: you already had Tucker number disputed that he called Trump

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Speaker 2: to apologize Bannon before any of this was resolved. Came

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Speaker 2: out and said, listen, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: we're going to follow We're going to just trust in

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Speaker 2: Trump and believe that if he does something we don't

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Speaker 2: want him to, he had intelligence that we didn't see,

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Speaker 2: and we just know it's going to be the right decision.

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Speaker 4: And I was looking at the polling from you goov.

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Speaker 2: Before the bombing, fifty three percent of Republicans opposed it

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Speaker 2: and only twenty three percent supported it. After Trump decides

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Speaker 2: he's going to bomb completely flips, then you only have

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Speaker 2: twelve percent twelve percent who oppose it in sixty nine

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Speaker 2: percent who approve. So to me, that proves the point

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Speaker 2: that Trump was making of like I am America first,

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Speaker 2: I get to say, what is America first, because at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, he knows whatever decision he makes,

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Speaker 2: his maybe not every influencer, but his base are going

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Speaker 2: to go along. And you know, I guarantee you too

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Speaker 2: that And we already saw it with Bannon, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Tucker didn't say as much, but certainly with Bannon, God

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. Once Trump decided we are going to bomb

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Speaker 2: these nuclear sites, then the goalposts were moved again. And

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Speaker 2: then it was, oh, well, you know, we'll make sure

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Speaker 2: it's not a regime change, will make sure it's not

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Speaker 2: boots on the ground, and a lot of efforts but

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Speaker 2: justifying the decision after the fact, even as they had

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Speaker 2: originally expressed skepticism and discontent with that potential direction.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think what they would say is they

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Speaker 8: were the ones who prevented it from becoming a regime

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Speaker 8: change operation. So they feel like they won in some sense,

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Speaker 8: even though Trump actually like ordered the strikes, which is

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Speaker 8: why I asked talker, well, would this have happened, I mean,

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Speaker 8: this thing that we're holding up as a victory right now,

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Speaker 8: would this have happened without the strikes in the first place?

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Speaker 8: And he conceded, probably not so I think the polling

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Speaker 8: is really interesting on that too, Crystal, he could nuke someone.

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Speaker 8: Trump could nuke someone on Fifth Avenue and yes, still

688
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Speaker 8: not lose any here. But yeah, I think for the

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Speaker 8: sort of average voter, there's a level of trust and

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Speaker 8: Trump is still the glue that holds MAGA together. But

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Speaker 8: professional MAGA that's I mean, to whatever extent that's important.

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Speaker 8: It's probably not electorally important, but the groups that like

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Speaker 8: hold the conferences and do all of that, like professional

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Speaker 8: MAGA Beltway stuff, I think this is a real schism

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Speaker 8: for them, and that that could be more or less important.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: As a content creator. To me, it's very important.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, i'll put it. I'll put it this way.

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Speaker 3: As the polling showed, these people are going to go

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Speaker 3: along with Trump no matter what.

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Speaker 1: So I said this earlier. This is a game of elites.

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Speaker 3: This is literally a Washington game as to if they're

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Speaker 3: going to go along no matter what, then we should

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Speaker 3: just do what we think is right at a policy

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Speaker 3: level and then let them follow. So if Trump, you know,

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Speaker 3: Trump is now calling for a world peace while you

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Speaker 3: and I are talking, he just is saying he's going

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Speaker 3: to remove sanctions on China buying oil from Iran, but

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Speaker 3: the NEOs are going to lose it over that one.

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Speaker 3: That's a multi billion dollar check going into the Iranian

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Speaker 3: bank accounts. I mean, now he's saying, God bless you Ron.

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Speaker 3: Like my point, they will go along with it, you know,

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Speaker 3: no matter what he does. So the point then is actually,

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Speaker 3: these factions and all of this stuff, it does kind

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Speaker 3: of matter because that's what's influencing stuff at the very

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Speaker 3: highest level inside a White House, in the National Security Council,

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Speaker 3: at a staff level, right, you know of what these

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Speaker 3: people are all reading. But yeah, anything else you want

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Speaker 3: to get into before you go. I thought it was

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Speaker 3: a great interview.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great job that way, And I told you I

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Speaker 4: did not envy you. Having to do that.

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Speaker 2: Interview is very consequential at a time when we were

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Speaker 2: all like, what the fuck is actually happening right now?

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Speaker 4: So good job with that.

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Speaker 8: No, it was overwhelming, and it was booked last week

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Speaker 8: before all of this happened, so it turned out to

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Speaker 8: be great time. But yeah, I just wanted to thank

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Speaker 8: you guys for being so supportive and having me here.

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Speaker 8: I appreciate you guys a ton.

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Speaker 3: All right, everybody go subscribe links down in the description,

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Speaker 3: et cetera.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you later.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll see you later.

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Speaker 1: No, I'll see sorry last night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you and I have a date, right.

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Speaker 3: Guys in late nights at ten pm? Did you come

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Speaker 3: up with that time? Where does it come from?

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Speaker 8: I'm a night owl.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we got from your producer like, oh, can

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Speaker 2: you guys come on?

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Speaker 4: I'm like, what the Yeah, yes, I.

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Speaker 2: Will do it free tape, But you are it is

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Speaker 2: a sacrifice.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to tell.

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Speaker 1: You that I understand.

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Speaker 4: Congratulation, all right, I see you later.

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Speaker 3: Joining us now is Professor Jeffrey Sachs at Columbia University

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Speaker 3: and expert and somebody we wanted to speak with for

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Speaker 3: quite a long time. So Stir, thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Great to be with you. Thank you absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean, first, let's just start off with the insanity

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Speaker 3: of the last twenty four hours. I know you've been

756
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Speaker 3: monitoring quote the situation as all of us have, and

757
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Speaker 3: we just want to get your reaction to the broader

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Speaker 3: ramifications of this cease fire, at least for now between

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Speaker 3: Israel and Iran and the role here of the United States.

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Speaker 10: Well, this has been absolutely why week. In a way,

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Speaker 10: it is BB's fulfillment of a thirty year mission to

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Speaker 10: try to drag the United States into a war with Iran.

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Speaker 10: This latest episode has been part of a long term

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Speaker 10: idea of net Yahu, which is we're going to do

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Speaker 10: what we want in Gaza, the West Bank. We're going

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Speaker 10: to control everything, will kill, will have a genocide, and

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Speaker 10: anyone that objects any other country in the region will

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Speaker 10: will overthrow that government. That's been the basic strategy for

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Speaker 10: thirty years. For thirty years, the United States has gone

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Speaker 10: along with that strategy, whether it is in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Soudan, Libya,

771
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Speaker 10: and Iran was always the big prize. So NETNA has

772
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Speaker 10: been absolutely itching for a big war with Iran, trying

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Speaker 10: to drag the US in. And what we saw last

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Speaker 10: week probably was the great battle inside between the Deep State,

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Speaker 10: which is absolutely in line with Mossad. It's basically a

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Speaker 10: Masad Cia operation for thirty years, and Maga, which has stopped.

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Speaker 10: We're sick of this, We're sick of these wars. The President,

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Speaker 10: I don't know where he is because I haven't checked

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Speaker 10: my social media for the last thirty seconds. But he's

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Speaker 10: been on both sides of this, but his base has

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Speaker 10: been saying do not do this, do not do this,

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Speaker 10: whereas NATO has been saying next year in Tehran or

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Speaker 10: his ministers have been putting that out in disgusting vulgarity.

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Speaker 10: So I don't know whether this is going to stop.

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Speaker 10: But this is a battle of a long term strategy

786
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Speaker 10: of NATNYA who remake the Middle East, to give basically

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Speaker 10: complete total impunity to Israel to do every murder, massacre,

788
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Speaker 10: genocide that it wants to do. And some of us

789
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Speaker 10: who think that's not making the world a better place, Yeah,

790
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Speaker 10: that's not helping anything, and it's not making America more secure.

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Speaker 10: Thanks God. If this cease fire holds, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 10: That's the bottom line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, professor, let's pull on thread a little bit more

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Speaker 2: of the Israelis. As you mentioned, this has been a

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Speaker 2: multi decade project of not Yaho specifically, but it's broadly

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Speaker 2: supported with the Israeli public and certainly with his entire coalition,

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Speaker 2: including literal terrorists that are involved in his government. So

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Speaker 2: he's not going to give up and just say Okay,

799
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Speaker 2: sees fire and now we have peace. With a rod

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Speaker 2: that is certainly not going to happen. So what do

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Speaker 2: you expect to see based on previous historical actions from

802
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Speaker 2: the Israelis, what do you expect the Israelis to do

803
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Speaker 2: next to try to play their next card to get

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Speaker 2: as draw on in yet again.

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Speaker 10: Well, the Israelis will make new provocations, that's for sure.

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Speaker 10: They will make arguments that now we see the perfidy

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Speaker 10: of Iran or for whatever argument to keep drawing us in.

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Speaker 10: I have said for years, i think decades now, that

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Speaker 10: the main job of the president of the United States

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Speaker 10: in modern times is to keep the foot on the

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Speaker 10: break of the war machine, because it's always revving. If

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Speaker 10: you went to the deep State in the last few days,

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Speaker 10: I think bombing missions against Iran are just splendid. Let's

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Speaker 10: try out those b two's, let's see how the bunker

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Speaker 10: busters do. And going beyond that, the regime change. Well,

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Speaker 10: that was in half the tweets of the last or

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Speaker 10: social truth posts of the last few days. So I

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Speaker 10: think that Israel will provoke, and it is the job

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Speaker 10: of the United States when in rare moments, presidents do

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Speaker 10: their job to keep the foot on the break. And

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Speaker 10: this morning, Trump unusually chastised Israel in a post saying,

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Speaker 10: do not drop that bomb. Well, actually that's his job.

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Speaker 10: It's pretty interesting he did it this time. Yesterday was different.

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Speaker 10: We'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: So one of the things I'm curious about, stir You're

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Speaker 3: obviously always looked at the bigger picture, and there was

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Speaker 3: a lot made potentially of Russia and China coming in

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Speaker 3: on Iran's side that didn't materialize to a major extent,

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Speaker 3: but there were at least some entanglements. We can put

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Speaker 3: this one up on the screen. For example, President of

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Speaker 3: former President Medyeviev of Russia at one point basically threatened,

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Speaker 3: you know, basically said, the Americans have accomplished nothing in

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Speaker 3: their strikes.

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Speaker 1: Potentially we could transfer nukes to them.

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Speaker 3: He walked it back a little bit later, saying a

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Speaker 3: number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with

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Speaker 3: their own nuclear warheads.

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Speaker 1: But then he walked it back later.

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Speaker 3: What do you make though of how the Russians and

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Speaker 3: the Chinese respond to what's transpired in the last twelve days.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think, by the way, what Medvedev was saying

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Speaker 10: in that point number three was not Russia transferring nuclear

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Speaker 10: arms or endorsing that. But the fact that Pakistan is

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Speaker 10: a country closely aligned with the Islamic cause obviously and

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Speaker 10: with Iran, and absolutely able to transfer nuclear weapons North

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Speaker 10: Korea is another case. And I think that's an important point,

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Speaker 10: by the way, because we've been told that the be

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Speaker 10: all and end all is Iran's enrichment of uranium. That

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Speaker 10: is not the true issue at stake here. The true

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Speaker 10: issue at steak is Israel vulnerable by its own actions

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Speaker 10: to a nuclear attack on Israel. The answer is yes,

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Speaker 10: does Israel create more security for itself the way that

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Speaker 10: it operates, answer is no, it makes Israel more and

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Speaker 10: more dangerous. Not only did we see obviously that the

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Speaker 10: Iron Dome ain't so iron and that there were easily

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Speaker 10: it was not hard to penetrate the air defenses in Israel,

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Speaker 10: but Israel seems to think that Iran is the end

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Speaker 10: of the story, and it is not the end of

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Speaker 10: the story. There are fifty seven countries in the Organization

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Speaker 10: of Islamic Cooperation that are absolutely dead set against what

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Speaker 10: Israel is doing. The vast majority of the world is

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Speaker 10: dead set against it. When you ask about Russia and China,

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Speaker 10: it is their fundamental purpose not to be thrown under

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Speaker 10: the bus of the United States. This is the basic point.

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Speaker 10: They want a multipolar world, not a US dominated world,

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Speaker 10: and they are succeeding in that because the US does

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Speaker 10: not have the means, the power, in my view, the interest.

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Speaker 10: But put that aside, the means or the power to

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Speaker 10: make a US dominated world, despite what Washington has believed

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Speaker 10: for more than thirty years. So Russia and China are careful.

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Speaker 10: China is very precise. I think it is. It's a cliche,

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Speaker 10: but it's also true that Russia plays chess, China plays go,

873
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Speaker 10: and the United States plays poker, one hand at a time,

874
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 10: very quick, not any long term strategy, just to go

875
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 10: for the hand. And I think that China and Russia

876
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 10: bided their time in the first days. But the point

877
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 10: was really Iran was not decapitated and with regime change,

878
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 10: nor was it stopped in its ability to do great

879
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 10: damage inside Israel up until the very last moment, which

880
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 10: really irks the Israelis that it was the last exchange

881
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 10: of missiles in this case was Iran's, and then Israel

882
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 10: tried to violate the timeline and launch another one so

883
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 10: it could be last, and that's when Trump said, no, stop.

884
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 10: We already have an understanding about the chronology. So we

885
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 10: are watching step by step the emerging of a true

886
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 10: multipolar world where other powers that don't love the United States,

887
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 10: they don't hate it, by the way, they just don't

888
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 10: want to be subservient to it. They have nuclear arms,

889
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 10: powerful weapons, the technologies that we have so that we

890
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 10: can't dominate. And Iran is a regional power. It's not

891
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 10: a pushover for Israel by any means. There was no

892
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 10: one strike and it's all over one of the things

893
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 10: that may have happened last week. I don't know, of course,

894
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 10: but net Yau, you know, telling Trump, we can do it,

895
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 10: we can do we can do it. And they did

896
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 10: their decapitation murder's Masad really is a murder machine, of course,

897
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 10: and it did its decapitation strike, and it did not

898
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 10: bring down the regime. And so it probably led Trump

899
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 10: and people around him to say, come on, what you know,

900
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 10: the Israelis have given us a bunch of bs on this.

901
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 10: It didn't change the regime, it didn't and the threats,

902
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 10: and I think that's when Trump heard his base calling,

903
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 10: he heard common sense calling, and he said look, this

904
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 10: isn't going according to plan. And I think the main

905
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 10: point is with Russia and China they were cautious, but

906
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 10: they weren't letting Iran fall by any means. And if

907
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 10: Iran were to be facing a more cataclysmic set of

908
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 10: events in the last few days, I think the reactions

909
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 10: also would have been different.

910
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: Interesting to your point about perhaps Israelis were selling and

911
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: perhaps they even believed that they would be able to,

912
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, create a regime collapse in short time. The

913
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: Washing Post got a hold of this leaked audio of

914
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: Masad agents calling Israeli generals and saying, you have twelve

915
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: hours or else we're going to murder you and your

916
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: wife and kids. By the way, and if you want

917
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: to avoid that fate, you need to record yourself surrendering.

918
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: You need to film this surrender video and send it

919
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: to us, which of course would have been used as

920
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: propaganda by the Israelis, And as best we know, not

921
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: one of them did that, which I think you know,

922
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: in and of itself is an indication that they may

923
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: have miscalculated the strength of this regime, especially once a

924
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: country is bombed like it's very common for people to

925
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: rally around the flag. But I wanted to ask you

926
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: with regards to Israel. So they have bombed, you know,

927
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: they're committing a genocide in Palestine in the Gaza Strip,

928
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: they bomb Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Ron, Iraq, and are a nuclear.

929
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 4: Armed nation out side of the NPT.

930
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: You know, did have a secret nuclear weapons program, and

931
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: you know, are a rogue nation. I think by any

932
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 2: characterization at this point, is there going to be any

933
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: consequence for them, Like, is there any sort of longer

934
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: term consequence for.

935
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 4: The fact that they have behaved in this.

936
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: Outrageous, barbaric fashion over years at this point and you know,

937
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 2: really made themselves a villain in terms of the eyes

938
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: of much of the world.

939
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 10: I think Israel is in its worst insecurity in its

940
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 10: history by far, because it is utterly isolated in the

941
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 10: international system. I'm sitting just outside the UN. I've been

942
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 10: attending UN Security Council meetings, you own in General Assembly sessions.

943
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 10: You have a ninety five percent of the world population

944
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 10: voting against Israel right now. You have an overwhelming call

945
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 10: for the absolutely practical state of Palestine being established on

946
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 10: the borders of the fourth of June nineteen sixty seven

947
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 10: and Israel learning finally, after decades and decades, it's just

948
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 10: going to have to live alongside the Palestinian people, who

949
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 10: have the same number population as the Israeli Jews. And

950
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 10: this is the most basic point of all. Israel has

951
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 10: no security from all of this. It has achieved nothing

952
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 10: except to wasteland in its neighborhood. And if it wants security,

953
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 10: the only security is to rejoin the Family of Nations.

954
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 10: And the way to do that is straightforward. It's according

955
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 10: to international law, it's according to basic common sense, it's

956
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 10: according to decency, it's according to endless resolutions of the

957
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 10: US Security Council and the UN General Assembly, and that

958
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 10: is that there would be a state of Palestine for

959
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 10: the Palestinian people alongside a state of Israel. And President

960
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 10: Trump actually can make that happen if he wants his

961
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 10: Nobel Peace Prize. It's not by this ceasefire after this

962
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 10: behavior of the last week. It is by a Palestinian

963
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 10: state being established. How does that happen? One vote change

964
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 10: in the UN Security Council. The US vetoed this last

965
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 10: year when it came to a vote in the Security Council,

966
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 10: which is the part of the UN system. Or the

967
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 10: international system that establishes the statehood membership in the UN.

968
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 10: All the United States has to do is to say

969
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 10: we go along with all the rest of the world

970
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 10: and tell Israel, wake up, we're saving you. We're not

971
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 10: hurting you, we are saving you from yourself. However, it's

972
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 10: just crazy what Israel's doing and the idea that this

973
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 10: is any security. I think they should understand that with

974
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 10: apartment buildings in Versheva being destroyed, with Haifa being attacked,

975
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 10: with Tel Aviv being attacked, with the countries outside of

976
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 10: the region like Pakistan and DPRK watching, if Israel thinks

977
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 10: it has any security at all from its brazenness, it

978
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 10: should think again. And by the way, what we saw

979
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 10: in the Mosad tape, which is chilling of course to

980
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 10: listen to, is that Mossad became a killing machine. It's

981
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 10: very skillful at mass and murder. I would say, not

982
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 10: mass murder in the sense that the murder of the

983
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 10: leadership of the Iranian military last week. Yes, that's Mosad's business.

984
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 10: But to have that as your centerpiece of statehood, to

985
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 10: be murder incorporated is not going to get you safety

986
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 10: or security or any sound sleep any day.

987
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 6: In your in your life.

988
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 10: Israel needs to rethink fundament mentally this BB strategy, which

989
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 10: goes back to nineteen ninety six when he first became

990
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 10: Prime Minister.

991
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: And I think to your point, they're not going to

992
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: rethink it because the public is broadly supportive of the

993
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: BB strategy. It has to be forced upon them, and

994
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: the United States of America can do that if there

995
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: is any will to do it.

996
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 10: It depends always, it has always depended on the United

997
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 10: States going along. By the way, people should get online

998
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 10: if they haven't done it recently. And look at Natya

999
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 10: Who's speech to the US Congress in two thousand and

1000
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 10: two telling him how wonderful the Iraq war is going

1001
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 10: to be. Oh, it's a cakewalk. It's it's going to

1002
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 10: inspire the whole region. This man is nuts. He's a

1003
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 10: failure for thirty years. He's the biggest warmonger on the planet.

1004
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 10: If Trump wants a successful presidency, don't sign on to

1005
00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 10: this idiocy. Do your job, mister president. Make peace in

1006
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 10: the region that has to be you give the State

1007
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 10: of Palestine along side of the State of Israel, stop

1008
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 10: the genocide, and go along with international law.

1009
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 6: It's pretty straightforward. It's there for the taking.

1010
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: All right, Well, sir, we always appreciate your analysis. It

1011
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: was great talking to you. Thank you very much for

1012
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: joining us.

1013
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 6: Thank you for pleasure to be with you.

1014
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks so much for watching, guys, We appreciate it.

1015
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: Crystal and Emily on the live stream, and then Griffin

1016
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 3: and Ryan from New York City covering the mayoral race tonight,

1017
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Speaker 3: so make sure you tune in for that and we

1018
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Speaker 3: will see you all later.