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Speaker 1: got a great show for you tonight. Roy Wood Jr.
Speaker 1: Is going to explore the secret black history of the
Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby. Madison Cawthorne is back in the news with
Speaker 1: another scandal, and our guests are the New York Times
Speaker 1: reporters who got the Kevin McCarthy tapes where he's trashing
Speaker 1: Trump about January six. So let's do this people, Let's
Speaker 1: jump straight into today's headline. All right, let's kick things
Speaker 1: off with inflation. As you know, all across the world,
Speaker 1: prices have been skyrocketing and it's all thanks to the pandemic,
Speaker 1: supply chain issues and a Russian man who clearly wasn't
Speaker 1: hugged enough as a child. And because of that, everything
Speaker 1: costs more groceries, gas, blackmail. It's terrible everything and every
Speaker 1: government around the world is trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to bring inflation down, which is why now the Federal
Speaker 1: Reserve is stepping in with a major move that America
Speaker 1: hasn't seen in decades. On Wednesday, the Federal Reserve raised
Speaker 1: the interest rate by half a percentage point, the biggest
Speaker 1: hike in twenty two years. The increase makes borrowing money
Speaker 1: more expensive, from new mortgages to auto loans to credit
Speaker 1: card rates. It's designed to cool down consumer demand and
Speaker 1: curb inflation, now at a forty year high, and Fed
Speaker 1: Chairman Jerome pal saying the aggressive move. They're saying it
Speaker 1: can be done without risking a recession. So there's a
Speaker 1: path to that now. I would say, I think we
Speaker 1: have a good chance to to have a soft or
Speaker 1: softsh landing or outcome if if you will, Okay, I
Speaker 1: felt confident in him until he said a soft ish landing.
Speaker 1: Soft like softish anytime you have to add ish to something.
Speaker 1: I don't feel reassured anymore. Yeah, this roller coaster is
Speaker 1: safe ish. These clams are fresh ish. Yeah, baby, we're
Speaker 1: monoga mish. You know how this is going to end.
Speaker 1: But basically, basically, here's how it all works. Right. The
Speaker 1: head raises interest rates, which means the cost of borrowing
Speaker 1: money goes up, which means that people and businesses will
Speaker 1: spend less money, which then makes prices start to come down.
Speaker 1: And it works because higher interest rates affects so many
Speaker 1: things in your life. It makes a mortgage more expensive,
Speaker 1: it makes car loans more expensive, it makes paying off
Speaker 1: your credit card more expensive, even makes buying twits are
Speaker 1: more expensive. That's why Elon has to go harveseys with
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. Now, the trick, the trick, as Jerome Power
Speaker 1: was alluding to, is that you have to bring spending down,
Speaker 1: but not too much too fast. Yeah, you gotta do
Speaker 1: it just right or the economy could crash and you
Speaker 1: end up in the recession. So it's a delicate balance,
Speaker 1: you know. Think of it, um, you know what, think
Speaker 1: of it. Think of the economy like a house party.
Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, you you wanted to be banging, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You wanted to be banging, but
Speaker 1: you don't want it to get out of control, because
Speaker 1: then no one can get a drink. Everyone's punching on,
Speaker 1: fighting over what's left. It's chaos, basic, it's chaos. So
Speaker 1: raising the interest rates is like trying to calm the
Speaker 1: party down, right, But if you're too extreme and you
Speaker 1: call the cops, or if you just like turn on
Speaker 1: the lights and now everyone sees who they were dancing with,
Speaker 1: now the party ends. The whole thing shots down. That's
Speaker 1: a recession of a party. So what the Federal Reserve
Speaker 1: is trying to do is change the platelist just enough
Speaker 1: so people stay, but that also makes sure that nobody's
Speaker 1: dancing on the table. Does that make sense? You understand
Speaker 1: what we're doing it? Yeah, So it's tricky. It is tricky,
Speaker 1: but they have to try because if they don't do something,
Speaker 1: a dollar will get you less and less every day,
Speaker 1: which is gonna suck for everyone, especially for the dollar man.
Speaker 1: This sucks. Back in the day, people used to use
Speaker 1: me for everything. You could buy a horse with me,
Speaker 1: you could buy windmill. Hell, they bought Alaska with me
Speaker 1: and they got change. But look at me now, thanks
Speaker 1: to inflation, just a glorified bookmark covering and freckle matter.
Speaker 1: People don't even want to snow cocaine with me anymore.
Speaker 1: Now they only talk about Benjamin. That loser wasn't even
Speaker 1: present dead. The only things I have left in my
Speaker 1: life now are dollar stars and strip clubs, and I
Speaker 1: swear to God and strip It is time taking bitcoin.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cure myself, Donna, very longly. Alright, alright, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Let's move on to a politician who will
Speaker 1: presumably never be on money. Madison Cawthorne, North Carolina congressman
Speaker 1: and villain on Every c W show. Five weeks ago,
Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne claimed that his Republican colleagues were doing cocaine
Speaker 1: and having giant orgies, which he was deeply disgusted by. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you see, he's a true Christian who stands for
Speaker 1: traditional conservative values. And so that's what he said about
Speaker 1: his colleagues. And clearly he pissed somebody off because since
Speaker 1: he made that accusation, week after week, people have been
Speaker 1: leaking things that seemed to be exposing him as a fraud. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The scandals have included everything from pictures in lingerie to
Speaker 1: allegations of insider trading and a campaign aid with their
Speaker 1: hand on his crutch and now, in the words of
Speaker 1: the Esteems political analyst dj kdded another one a completely
Speaker 1: shocking video appearing to show the congressman completely naked. In
Speaker 1: this video and reportedly so sam acting crass. I guess
Speaker 1: you could say, with a friend in a bedroom while
Speaker 1: not wearing any clothing at all. Now, notably, this is
Speaker 1: put out by an opposition group. This is a group
Speaker 1: that's working actively to try to defeat the congressman in
Speaker 1: the upcoming Republican primary. But the congressman, he admitted that
Speaker 1: it is indeed him in the video. Yeah, someone released
Speaker 1: a video of Madison Cawthorne from a few years ago
Speaker 1: before he was in Congress, naked, basically pretending to hump
Speaker 1: his friend's face. And believe me, I wish there was
Speaker 1: another way to say that, but there is not. That's
Speaker 1: the story. And you've got to admit, man, these people
Speaker 1: are coming from Madison Cawthorne. You know, in fact, the
Speaker 1: way they're coming from Madison Cawthorne, I'm starting something. Maybe
Speaker 1: those cocaine orgies were real. You know, it's said too
Speaker 1: much so for the fiftieth time Congressman Madison Caurthorn was
Speaker 1: forced to release a statement explaining why this isn't as
Speaker 1: bad as it seems. You were witnessing one of the
Speaker 1: first examples of a politician who grew up with a
Speaker 1: cell phone in their hand, with the ability to take photos, videos,
Speaker 1: and have others use that content as a way to
Speaker 1: hurt you. Most of my colleagues in Congress right now
Speaker 1: would not be serving in Washington, and they grew up
Speaker 1: within a single mile of a cell phone growing up. Okay,
Speaker 1: before we addressed a statement, can anyone explain to me
Speaker 1: why the American flag is in that video? That flag
Speaker 1: wasn't humping anybody while you're dragging the flag into this bullshit? Madison?
Speaker 1: How you can even see the flag behind him? Like? Ahh,
Speaker 1: I love from there. Now. As for the point the
Speaker 1: young congressman was making, as much as I do not
Speaker 1: like him, I have to agree, since the beginning of time,
Speaker 1: people have had the ability to insulate what they do
Speaker 1: in private from what they do in public. But now
Speaker 1: we have a whole generation who's growing up documenting every
Speaker 1: single dumb thing they do or say or hump and
Speaker 1: and honestly, unless they're breaking the law, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to figure out how to deal with this in society, right,
Speaker 1: because thanks to phones, everyone's friends have dirts on them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: honestly everyone every In fact, if your friends don't have
Speaker 1: any dirts on you that could someday ruin your career,
Speaker 1: then I'm sorry. You don't friends, You just acquaintances. Okay,
Speaker 1: I understand that now, and so I agree, I honestly agree.
Speaker 1: You know, this is just part of the product of
Speaker 1: the times. Yeah, what he was doing was extreme, but
Speaker 1: this is part of the times. Like if previous generations
Speaker 1: of politicians have the same technology as we do now,
Speaker 1: we might have seen really embarrassing selfies of Abe Lincoln,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and can you imagine young Mitch McConnell
Speaker 1: with an iPhone. I mean, even if there was nothing scandalous,
Speaker 1: we still have to see him trying to look cool
Speaker 1: every single day on TikTok. See him there trying to Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's looked like that since he was fourteen. That's just
Speaker 1: his face. That would have gone viral. By the way,
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to a story about space.
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos is vacation home. For decades, humans have been
Speaker 1: trying to not only find other planets for us to destroy,
Speaker 1: but also intelligent life for us to colonize. And we've
Speaker 1: tried everything, you know. We sent out deep space probes,
Speaker 1: we sent out radio waves. In the fifties, we sent
Speaker 1: like a bunch of dogs and monkeys for some reason.
Speaker 1: But now, after decades of no luck, NASA has decided
Speaker 1: to take things up a notch. Now the scientists plan
Speaker 1: to send pictures of naked humans into space, hoping to
Speaker 1: catch the attention of aliens. Nudes will come with an
Speaker 1: invitation to respond. Pictures aren't graphic, just a drawing of
Speaker 1: a naked man and a woman next to a picture
Speaker 1: of d n A. NASA revealed this as part of
Speaker 1: a project called Beacon in the Galaxy to send a
Speaker 1: message to any alien civilizations. Okay, first things first, they're
Speaker 1: gonna hire more women of that NASA because only dudes
Speaker 1: would think the best way to introduce yourself is with
Speaker 1: unsolicited nudes. Hey, aliens, you up there? What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Those aliens are gonna be really upset that they turned
Speaker 1: on the air dropped for everyone in the galaxy. But also,
Speaker 1: but also, but also, if you are going to send nudes,
Speaker 1: why would you send these nudes? Can we tell you
Speaker 1: something that if I was an alien, No way in
Speaker 1: how I'm mean to this planet. Like if someone sent
Speaker 1: me these Newds and they said, hey you, I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I am so far from up, I'm in a coma.
Speaker 1: I will never be up again. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: this thing, because like us sex thing with a natari
Speaker 1: What is that? Huh? The woman doesn't even have a nose.
Speaker 1: Look at that ship. Think about what we say, either
Speaker 1: this planet has zero technology because this is how they
Speaker 1: draw themselves. Oh, this is how they actually look. Either way,
Speaker 1: I'm not coming. I'm not coming. That's a terrible thing
Speaker 1: to say. Like maybe if I was like a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old alien, I could make that work. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But but how are these the
Speaker 1: news that we're sending to aliens? Everyone aliens to get interested,
Speaker 1: Don't send them an etch a sketch drawings, send them
Speaker 1: coupons for only fans. Come on, man, get them in
Speaker 1: the game. And you know, honestly, even if the aliens
Speaker 1: are interested, I think we've got to be careful. This
Speaker 1: is sending the wrong idea about us into the galaxy.
Speaker 1: Just imagine for a second, the very first thing we
Speaker 1: send to aliens is naked photos. What are we only
Speaker 1: trying to make contact with the horny is aliens in
Speaker 1: the universe? Yeah? No, one day, every time they have
Speaker 1: duc someone, they proke their butts. We're sending up the
Speaker 1: round vibe. You understand how scary this is. You know
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen here. The aliens are gonna get here
Speaker 1: and they're just gonna expect to smash immediately. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then they're gonna be disappointed. Yeah. Imagine if someone you've
Speaker 1: never even met before texted you nudes and then you
Speaker 1: go there and they're like, cool, now that you're here,
Speaker 1: I wanted to introduce you to Joe Biden. That is
Speaker 1: the worst catfishing ever. They'll blow up our planet just
Speaker 1: for that. Come your horny horny and be like, check
Speaker 1: us to your later. We're here to smash. Now we're
Speaker 1: in trouble. Yeah. The only way that would work out
Speaker 1: is if the aliens come and Trump is presidents. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: because if there's one thing I'll tell you about Trump,
Speaker 1: he'd ship out of those aliens. They'd be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what they have down there, but I'm grabbing it.
Speaker 1: I'm grabbing it. Cavia aliens. We should actually prope We
Speaker 1: actually should hope that this only reaches the whole horny aliens,
Speaker 1: because you realize how offensive this is gonna be. If
Speaker 1: it just ends up in front of a normal alien,
Speaker 1: they are gonna be so piste off. Sheila, Sheila, those
Speaker 1: aren't perfects. Left pornography on the law. Yes, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's not my pornography. You know, I wouldn't be yanking
Speaker 1: my floor flax to a drawing of two hellless monkeys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean one doesn't even have a no, Sheila, come on,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm mentoring. It's not desk crap. Plus,
Speaker 1: I don't need pornography. I only need you. You know.
Speaker 1: I love your baby. I love you, Sila. I'm up.
Speaker 1: That's comfort. All right. That's so for the headlines. But
Speaker 1: before we go to a break, that's checking on the
Speaker 1: stock market without very own finance expert Michael Cost to
Speaker 1: everybody my phone. Yeah yeah, I'm gonna tell what is
Speaker 1: happening in the market today. Man. Well, I'm an expert
Speaker 1: at this, you know, and and I am crushing the market,
Speaker 1: so you absolutely crushing it. And as an expert, I
Speaker 1: do have a hot tip for you. Wait, I gotta
Speaker 1: have tip for you as well, so we'll get into that.
Speaker 1: But but but before we do, before we do the FED,
Speaker 1: raising the interest rates. Yes, this is a great thing, okay,
Speaker 1: because during the pandemic, you know, you know, we lost interest, right,
Speaker 1: I lost interest personally? I lost interest in Netflix. I
Speaker 1: lost interest in my family. You know, I lost interest
Speaker 1: in work. To be honest with you, I wasn't trying
Speaker 1: that hard before, but now I am really phoned it in. Okay,
Speaker 1: so but but but look, raising the interest rates it
Speaker 1: affects everyone, and especially regular middle class homeowners like myself. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now I have a ski castle in courshoo Ball. It's
Speaker 1: the French Alps, twelve thousand square feet. It's on a nice,
Speaker 1: pristine glacial lake, and and and and if I hadn't
Speaker 1: locked in my rate before this, I wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to redo the kitchen on the main property. So it's
Speaker 1: Tuscan marble. Okay, so um, But you know one thing
Speaker 1: I've learned is whenever you complain about renovating the kitchen
Speaker 1: in your fifth home, nobody has any sympathy. But can
Speaker 1: you imagine a sixteenth century ski castle with a bad kitchen?
Speaker 1: I love to cook. Let's get let's get the NASA
Speaker 1: sending the nudes and we'll get to this in a second.
Speaker 1: But um, that's a risky move, okay, because NASA doesn't
Speaker 1: know who's gonna get those nudes. I mean, what what
Speaker 1: if it's alien children? Right now? Now, Earth is exposing
Speaker 1: itself to children? You know, do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Next thing? You know, Earth is on the intergalactic sex
Speaker 1: offender list, you know, And we gotta go around from galaxy,
Speaker 1: the galaxy knocking on the atmosphere saying hello, I'm Earth.
Speaker 1: I'm your neighbor for three billion years. I'm legally required
Speaker 1: to tell you I'm a sex offender. Can I get
Speaker 1: to Can I get to the market? Yeah? Okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So look, yesterday, on the news that the interest rates
Speaker 1: were going up, the market shot up. Okay, Today, on
Speaker 1: the news that the interest rates were going up, the
Speaker 1: market shot down. All right, So I'm an expert here,
Speaker 1: don't forget. In summary, when the news of the interest
Speaker 1: rates are going up, the market will either go up
Speaker 1: or it's gonna go down. Thank you. Well, I'm well,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, my but Michael, that that doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me. That's because you're not an
Speaker 1: expert like like me. And and that's my hot tip. Okay,
Speaker 1: leave it are the experts. Thank you, I thank Michael
Speaker 1: cost All right, don't go away. So when we come back,
Speaker 1: what would Junior is going to take us through the
Speaker 1: secret world of black horse racing. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Daily Show. This weekend is the Kentucky Derby, the biggest
Speaker 1: day in horse racing and mint julips. But what does
Speaker 1: horse racing have to do with black people? Well, let's
Speaker 1: find out in another edition of CP Time. M huh, hello,
Speaker 1: Welcome to see Piz Time, the only show it's for
Speaker 1: the culture. Today we'll be discussing blacks in horse racing. Usually,
Speaker 1: when you think of horse racing, the only black thing
Speaker 1: that comes to mind is the horse itself. Turns out
Speaker 1: many of the people riding them have been black too.
Speaker 1: Not to take anything away from those black horses, though,
Speaker 1: stay strong, my horse brothers. For many years, in the
Speaker 1: early days of organized horse racing, black jockeys were extremely
Speaker 1: common in the sport, partly because black people had a
Speaker 1: lot of experience taking care of horses during slavery, and
Speaker 1: partly because riding horses was the best way to prevent
Speaker 1: the police from stopping you for a broken tail light.
Speaker 1: Take the Kentucky Derby, the biggest event in the sport.
Speaker 1: It's so popular you've probably heard of it, even if
Speaker 1: you're not a gambling at it. That blew his kids
Speaker 1: college money and lost the house on weekend races. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Baby Whispering Willow was supposed to be a sure thing.
Speaker 1: In the first Kentucky every in, thirteen out of fifteen
Speaker 1: jockeys were black, and the winner of that race was
Speaker 1: Oliver Lewis. Oliver Road to victory on his horse Aristides.
Speaker 1: Strange name, but it was the eighteen hundreds. If you
Speaker 1: got a black jockey, you got to at least give
Speaker 1: the horse an extra white name to balance things out.
Speaker 1: Despite his success, Lewis retired from racing the very same
Speaker 1: year he won the Derby, which is understandable. With the
Speaker 1: prize of money he won, he could finally achieve the
Speaker 1: dream of every black man in eighteen seventy five Kentucky
Speaker 1: moving out of Kentucky. And not only were black people
Speaker 1: the first to do it, but they were some of
Speaker 1: the best, like Isaac Burns Murphy seeing here thinking about racism,
Speaker 1: probably Isaac was considered one of the greatest jockeys in history.
Speaker 1: He was the first person to win the Kentucky Derby
Speaker 1: three times, and his win record is still unmatched to
Speaker 1: this day at forty four percent. Murphy was the first
Speaker 1: rider ever to be inducted into the Horse Racing Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, which is the highest honor jockey can receive
Speaker 1: other than being told you're actually taller than I expected.
Speaker 1: But despite their success in the sport, black riders soon
Speaker 1: all but disappeared from horse racing, making it yet another
Speaker 1: thing that started out very black but became very white,
Speaker 1: much like Rock and Roll or Brooklyn. And that's because
Speaker 1: of the early nineteen hundreds, there was a concerted effort
Speaker 1: to push black jockeys out of the sport. White races
Speaker 1: engaged in harsh tactics both on and off the track.
Speaker 1: They would hit black riders with riding crops or run
Speaker 1: them into the rails. Two times Derby winner Jimmy Winkfield
Speaker 1: was even threatened by the Ku Klux Klan. The irony
Speaker 1: he in the KKK both love riding horses. If equestrianism
Speaker 1: can't trump hate, then I don't know what can. The
Speaker 1: harassment got so bad that. In nineteen o four, Winkfield
Speaker 1: left the country to become a racing superstar in Russia.
Speaker 1: Do you know how bad it's got to get for
Speaker 1: a black man to move to Russia. They didn't even
Speaker 1: have black people over there back then, although maybe that's
Speaker 1: the secret. Gotta get in early before they learn how
Speaker 1: to do racism. But soon enough, practically the only black
Speaker 1: jockeys you could find were those creepy little statues on
Speaker 1: rich white folks lawns. Between nine and the year two thousand,
Speaker 1: not a single black jockey even raced in the Derby.
Speaker 1: Do you understand how long that is? It took all
Speaker 1: the way until the Baja men released who let the
Speaker 1: dogs out for a black person to compete Again, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that the tour are related, unless now that
Speaker 1: you're being crazy right now. One black rider who did
Speaker 1: make waves during those years was Cheryl White, the first
Speaker 1: licensed black email jockey in America. Cheryl started her career
Speaker 1: racing straight out of high school, which means she was
Speaker 1: the most influential black teenager on a horse until Little
Speaker 1: nos X came around, and she didn't need the help
Speaker 1: of Molly Cyrus's daddy, just seventeen years old, White was
Speaker 1: already winning racist and gracing the cover of Jet magazine,
Speaker 1: which is incredibly impressive. Nowadays, most seventeen year olds I
Speaker 1: know could only make the cover of Dumbass Up to
Speaker 1: No Good magazine. I see you boys doing the vapor
Speaker 1: before school. I will snitch on you, watch man. So
Speaker 1: the next time you think of horse racing, think about
Speaker 1: the black jockeys that blazed the trail back in those
Speaker 1: early days. We'll just think of Sea Biscuit or the
Speaker 1: guy who rode Sea Biscuit, or how much money you
Speaker 1: lost by not betting on Sea Biscuit. Maybe I'm not
Speaker 1: coming home for a little while. I'm so sorry. Well
Speaker 1: that's all the time we have for today, roy Wood Jr.
Speaker 1: And this has been CP time. And remember with other culture, uh,
Speaker 1: because somebody help you put on this fick mustache. There
Speaker 1: is a gentleman named Knuckles swinging body to get some
Speaker 1: money and I don't have it for him. And I
Speaker 1: gotta get the hell out of here. Come over there, okay, right,
Speaker 1: this location has been compromise. Come on, Jennifer Lewis, what
Speaker 1: with Junia? Everybody all right? When we come back. Jonathan
Speaker 1: Martson and Alex Burns are joining me on the show,
Speaker 1: so don't go a right Welcome back to the Day Show.
Speaker 1: My guests tonight are political reporters who are here to
Speaker 1: talk about their explosive new book, This Will Not Pass Trump, Biden,
Speaker 1: and the Battle for America's future. Please welcome Jonathan Martin
Speaker 1: and Alex Burns. Welcome. Oh about it. I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna waste any time. I trust that you're good. Let's
Speaker 1: drums jump straight into this um. This is the best
Speaker 1: way to describe this book for me is it's basically
Speaker 1: like the Real Housewives of Washington, d C. It makes
Speaker 1: it look like the most scandalous place. You realize there's
Speaker 1: so many inner feuds and and things that we don't
Speaker 1: even know about. When I'm reading this book, I'm going
Speaker 1: we shouldn't the American people see that? Then, Like, why
Speaker 1: do they get the sanitized like this is how we
Speaker 1: are when in fact this is this seems like it
Speaker 1: seems like this is what's deciding the country. This is
Speaker 1: what the people are seeing the news, but the people
Speaker 1: are voting on what they see in the news. No,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's that's spot on, and it's
Speaker 1: one of the things that we believe so passionately about
Speaker 1: political journalism. It's one of the things that we tried
Speaker 1: to do in this book is that there's not some
Speaker 1: clean separation between the personalities of politics and the fuge
Speaker 1: that you're talking about and the Real Housewives style drama
Speaker 1: and the pole see it right, it's the personality and
Speaker 1: those feuds and all the sort of high school level
Speaker 1: pettiness that actually drives what happens. And if people in
Speaker 1: Washington were more upfront about that, I think, first of all,
Speaker 1: they would confirm a whole lot of what the American
Speaker 1: people sort of suspect about their politicians. But secondly, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it would be possible maybe for the country
Speaker 1: to have more honest conversation about what's wrong here if
Speaker 1: we weren't all putting on a different face. When the
Speaker 1: cameras are running on Washington, Trevor, you see two very
Speaker 1: different kinds of politicians than what you see behind the
Speaker 1: scenes in private. But they don't know that, say, the
Speaker 1: audio is running. So this book exposes a lot. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about that. The audio, you know, I mean, one
Speaker 1: of the biggest bombshells from the book is the audio
Speaker 1: that that you released, which was the audio of Kevin
Speaker 1: McCarthy off the January six basically saying, yet we've got
Speaker 1: to make Trump pay for this, he's responsible, etcetera. Mitch
Speaker 1: McConnell essentially being like, oh, I hope he does get impeached.
Speaker 1: You you you you're hearing things from politicians who said
Speaker 1: the complete opposite when they were on camera. So how
Speaker 1: did you hear about it? Well? Uh, now, a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of work, a lot of hours, a lot
Speaker 1: of talking to people at all levels of government and
Speaker 1: even people outside of government. I mean there's this perception
Speaker 1: among um folks who read political journalism that it's this
Speaker 1: Hollywood idea where like somebody in sunglasses comes and like
Speaker 1: drops you a bag outside uh your house, are like,
Speaker 1: and you get the story of a lifetime. It ain't that.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of work. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: shoe leather. It's a looted a time talking to people
Speaker 1: and hoping that you can piece things together to eventually
Speaker 1: get the full version of a story. And if I
Speaker 1: could just you know, look, you had a little fun
Speaker 1: with us at the correspondent centers. Boys, Uh, we know
Speaker 1: that's we know that. But the but the honest, the
Speaker 1: honest response to uh, to your line that night is, look,
Speaker 1: if we were in a position to release that information
Speaker 1: the second we got it, of course have done that.
Speaker 1: But part of the exercise of writing a book, and
Speaker 1: part of why it's different from writing for a newspaper
Speaker 1: or producing a television show, is that the people you're
Speaker 1: talking to, the sources you're working with, will be more
Speaker 1: candid with you, and we'll share more information. It's not
Speaker 1: just audio. It is documents, it is notes that they're
Speaker 1: taking in real time. It is their personal views and
Speaker 1: recollections when they feel they're sharing it for history and
Speaker 1: not you know, a show that's going to air in
Speaker 1: a couple of hours from now. That is that makes
Speaker 1: no sense to me because I mean, like, it's not
Speaker 1: like this is ancient history. Well it's sort of. It's
Speaker 1: it's sort of this happened a year ago, and you're
Speaker 1: telling me the politicians are like, well, this will never
Speaker 1: see the light of day in a year. It is
Speaker 1: it is. It is actually extraordinary, and it's one of
Speaker 1: the things that I think, I mean, I think these
Speaker 1: are the people running the country when we were trying
Speaker 1: to tell when we were when we were having When
Speaker 1: we were doing these interviews, you would see people sort
Speaker 1: of various, sort of uptightening this is this is for history,
Speaker 1: and like, oh well, if this is for history and
Speaker 1: thinking it is out, next may I mean, like, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the you know, some of the other stories.
Speaker 1: For instance, there's a part in the book. We actually
Speaker 1: have the audio here and we'll go to the real students.
Speaker 1: There's a part of the book when you're interviewing don't
Speaker 1: Trump himself. All right, there you are interviewing the man.
Speaker 1: And in the middle of this interview, does he call
Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham? Doesnay Graam call him? Lusa? Graham calls him,
Speaker 1: Lindsay Gram calls him while you haven't ben seen the
Speaker 1: lobby at marl Lago from his guests to see Lindsay
Speaker 1: Graham calls him, and Trump does not get up from
Speaker 1: the couches, excuse me, follows He just like sits there
Speaker 1: and like takes that call on his cell phone and
Speaker 1: that puts the speaker so we can hear it. So
Speaker 1: we've actually got the audio. Let's let's let's play that call.
Speaker 1: And most importantly, would you tell them one thing? Can
Speaker 1: Trump play golf? Legitimately play golf. Okay, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was local ship. So we go played for the
Speaker 1: first time. You know, I've heard her head, so we're
Speaker 1: playing on a timers kind of right. We shot even
Speaker 1: Car it's the three flotter, come to me, but he
Speaker 1: would have been more under than even Car playing by
Speaker 1: the lug of the job. After that started to him
Speaker 1: with my game. Even legitimate dick may anymore and you
Speaker 1: don't believe it to play with him. So he's the
Speaker 1: thing for for context for me, is this is the
Speaker 1: same Lindsey Graham who off the January six was bringing
Speaker 1: up the twenty five amendment. He was like, this is
Speaker 1: too much, We've gone too far. And then Trump has
Speaker 1: him on the phone and he's just like, dance for me.
Speaker 1: And this is three months later, so this is pretty
Speaker 1: ye is this Does this show us that the politicians
Speaker 1: are lying to the people or they're lying to Trump?
Speaker 1: That's that's a really good question. Look, I think we
Speaker 1: were shocked, uh not that Lindsay Graham will be calling
Speaker 1: Trump at that point, but you know, we all know
Speaker 1: that Lindsay Graham rode back to Donald Trump really fast
Speaker 1: that his pronouncements on the night of January six, I
Speaker 1: had a very very short expiration date on them. But
Speaker 1: I think just hearing in in real time in front
Speaker 1: of us this, you know, sort of dancing a monkey
Speaker 1: routine was really an extraordinary moment. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's lying to anybody. I think Lindsay Graham genuinely believes
Speaker 1: that he is playing a vital role as a diplomat
Speaker 1: between the establishment of the Republican Party and Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Knocked up is right. I just that's clearly how he's
Speaker 1: rationalizing it. It puzzled even some of his colleagues in
Speaker 1: the Senate, but you just heard there, you know just
Speaker 1: how far it goes. I think Trump knows that Lindsay
Speaker 1: isn't like his biggest fan in the world, and they're
Speaker 1: privately you know, rolls his eyes, but that he's sort of, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, is trying to sort of stay in the arena,
Speaker 1: and so he has to keep Trump on his good side.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, like, you know, obviously Lindsay
Speaker 1: Lindsay is pretty obviously aware of Donald Trump's liabilities and
Speaker 1: would admit that in privacy. I think, like what's the
Speaker 1: old saying, you can't be sbs or I think they
Speaker 1: kind of both know that the other isn't totally on
Speaker 1: the level, and so I guess it works, right, I
Speaker 1: mean not for the country, it seems yeah, It's just
Speaker 1: it just seems like if you know, if if Donald
Speaker 1: Trump didn't have as many scandals as he did. I
Speaker 1: feel like every single chapter in this book could have
Speaker 1: been its own book in a different time with the
Speaker 1: different presidency. To the great point I didn't know, but
Speaker 1: like this point in the book where you guys uncovered
Speaker 1: the fact that Jared Kushner is the person who got
Speaker 1: Kanye West his campaign manager, and all of this was
Speaker 1: essentially a scheme to try and siphon black votes away
Speaker 1: from the Democrats. Like I'm like that in in and
Speaker 1: of itself, that would be the bombshell of the day.
Speaker 1: And that was just like, oh yeah, just one part
Speaker 1: of the book. Look, it's a great I think it's
Speaker 1: a great episode of sort of political uh you know, hijinks, right,
Speaker 1: But it's really revealing both of how desperate they were
Speaker 1: to try to mess with the basic electoral map of
Speaker 1: this election. I think it's also really revealing about how
Speaker 1: the White House and the President's family saw, you know,
Speaker 1: black voters and what they would be drawn to in
Speaker 1: this election, the notion that the way to get too
Speaker 1: siphon black votes away from Joe Biden was to get
Speaker 1: this sort of screwball celebrity into the race, and just
Speaker 1: you know, of course those people will uh you know,
Speaker 1: vote for him instead of the guy they know is
Speaker 1: the former a two term vice president. That says a
Speaker 1: whole lot about the people who running the country. You know, look,
Speaker 1: with the Trump crowd, it's like a cartoon version of
Speaker 1: like past presidents, you know, like the president's son in law, who,
Speaker 1: by the way it worked in the White House, which
Speaker 1: is okay. Uh. And then secondly, it's like basically running
Speaker 1: the country as a de facto senior advisor with no
Speaker 1: actual title beyond senior advisor. And he's also like running
Speaker 1: the campaign on the side too, and and running the
Speaker 1: campaign he's trying to wire in a third party candidate
Speaker 1: who happens to be like a celebrity. Like he's doing
Speaker 1: all this and like ostensibly there's ethics rules that kind
Speaker 1: of exists in the White House, but um, it makes
Speaker 1: a mockery of any sort of like political norms or tradition.
Speaker 1: A great way to put it, because what it feels
Speaker 1: like this book exposes in a in a really scary
Speaker 1: way because it's revealing and it's shocking. But when you
Speaker 1: get to the end of the book, you go, man,
Speaker 1: America is in trouble because it feels like there's a
Speaker 1: facade that is being presented by Washington, d C. It
Speaker 1: feels like there is definitely a game that's being played,
Speaker 1: you know, in the Capitol versus what everyday Americans are experiencing.
Speaker 1: And then the most important thing is it feels like
Speaker 1: the two party system has failed because now it feels
Speaker 1: like Republicans on all with Trump, they play along to
Speaker 1: try and keep their role, and then like Democrats on altigate.
Speaker 1: But it feels like the thing is a sham, and
Speaker 1: by the time the American people find out that it
Speaker 1: really is a sham, it will be too late. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the things that we hope we've accomplished with
Speaker 1: this book is to expose that sham to a pretty
Speaker 1: significant degree. The American people, I deserve to know what
Speaker 1: a gigantic gap there is between the way they're politicians
Speaker 1: behave in public and the things they say in private
Speaker 1: about policy, about each other, and even about the American people.
Speaker 1: So again that's sort of the overarching journalistic exercised to
Speaker 1: it were, Well, I'll tell you this if you if you,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to get it out there. A book
Speaker 1: is a nice stot, but if you really want people
Speaker 1: to pay attention, you've gotta make it into a TV show. Gentlemen,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, because it's coming your lot of
Speaker 1: to God. There's feel talk about the book. This will
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