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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by first Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, we're breaking down the top four lessons you

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Speaker 2: can take away from me and Tony's early twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three success in the stories of our big buck kills.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcasts, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by First Light and their Camo for Conservation initiative,

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Speaker 2: in which a portion of every sale of our Whitetail

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Speaker 2: cameo goes back to support the National Dear Association, which

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Speaker 2: is pretty darn awesome in my opinion. And this week

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Speaker 2: on this podcast, I'm joined by my good buddy Tony Peterson,

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Speaker 2: and Tony and I have some good news to share

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Speaker 2: with you today, two pieces of good news. In fact,

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Speaker 2: good news number one is that Tony and I both

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Speaker 2: killed buck bucks this past week. So we are coming

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Speaker 2: to you as successful deer hunters with insights a plenty.

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Speaker 2: And Tony, if you think you are up for this,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking both of us should share our story and

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Speaker 2: then break down some very specific lessons learned and some

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Speaker 2: ideas that folks can take from our success, take from

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Speaker 2: our experiences, and apply in their own seasons over the

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Speaker 2: next few weeks. Does that sound doable?

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Speaker 3: Sounds good to me, buddy?

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Speaker 2: All right? So that's good news number one, good news

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Speaker 2: number two, and you can jump in and add some

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Speaker 2: color to this, Tony. But the second piece of good

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Speaker 2: news is that if you are listening to this podcast

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Speaker 2: when it drops during the week of October second through

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Speaker 2: October eighth, the good news is that it is white

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Speaker 2: Tail Week at Meetator. So that means everything at Meetator

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Speaker 2: is white Tail focus this week. Not just what me

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Speaker 2: and TONI are doing, not just what our buddies Tyler

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Speaker 2: and Case are doing, not just what Clay sometimes says

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Speaker 2: he likes to do. We're talking like everybody at Meetatter

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Speaker 2: has been forced to pay attention to the best game

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Speaker 2: animal in the world, the white tail Deer. We've got

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Speaker 2: a new episode of one week in November coming out

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Speaker 2: on YouTube. There's all sorts of white Tail articles over

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Speaker 2: on themeeteater dot com. There's a new buck Truck episode

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Speaker 2: coming out with a white tail hunt. There's gonna be

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Speaker 2: white tail themed trivia.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: They've even got a meat Eater podcast that's gonna be

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Speaker 2: about white tails. If you can believe it, Tony. I

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Speaker 2: barely believe it, Mark and I know it's great. And

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Speaker 2: then there's also gonna be like a big buck scoring contest.

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Speaker 2: Every day you're gonna have to guess the score of

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Speaker 2: different folks deer and you can win prizes. All sorts

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Speaker 2: of stuff going on across the first slight social media

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Speaker 2: FHF Meeta mine yours, there's I don't know. It just

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Speaker 2: seems like we're gonna have more white tail content, stories, tips,

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Speaker 2: ideas stuff than like I've ever seen, which, as far

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been we've been trying to drag those Bozeman nights,

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Speaker 3: kicking in, screaming to the to the white tail side

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Speaker 3: of life. And it's like sort of finally starting to happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm gonna call this a win. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: gonna because of all this, they're gonna throw some nice

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Speaker 2: discounts and some of the white tail gear too, So

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Speaker 2: some of our white Tail camo, our favorite white tail

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Speaker 2: pieces will be on sale from like thirty to forty

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Speaker 2: think three hundred and fifty bucks. If you spend three

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Speaker 2: So there's that. That's the second part of my good

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Speaker 2: news Tony is Whitetail Week. So that all said, I

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Speaker 3: Huh man, I'll tell you what. It just felt good

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Speaker 2: I just love the fact that I was talking about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now tell me this. Would you agree that generally

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Speaker 2: the general approach is pretty much the same, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, figure out those pieces of the

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Speaker 3: Right yep? Yeah, man, I you know, the last couple

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's like it's like over the counter

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the farm that I was hunting where I

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Speaker 2: Okay, And most of the stuff was like, is that

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Speaker 3: It was, so there's not a good way to get out,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you were hunting mornings. You do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So this, I'll try to explain this so people

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Speaker 3: The whole thing is corn. And on the neighboring property

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Speaker 3: just the day. That's like the risk you take in

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Speaker 3: early season mornings are like that's so important. So it

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Speaker 3: wind doesn't really switch bad for me. And those bucks

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Speaker 3: But that that's set up because of the access and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I love that kind of setup, that standing

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Speaker 3: Sign me up, like well, yeah man, And you you know,

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Speaker 3: where you're just like, it's not like a definitive thing

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Speaker 3: they do come back there and they will kill time

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Speaker 3: in daylight just nibbling here and there. For sure.

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Speaker 2: For sure, a setup like that factors very strongly into

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Speaker 3: But didn't didn't you fill that tag in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I did. I did, so, so tell me about

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Speaker 2: Tell me about what the setup ended up being, Like,

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Speaker 3: Right? Yep? So that morning, that was the fourth morning

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Speaker 3: the rest is this wooded acreage that I can't hunt,

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Speaker 3: but they feed up through there, And so I thought,

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Speaker 3: that field is totally dry, on the opener, totally brown.

435
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 3: Then it transitions into yellow beans, and then in the

436
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 3: low spots it's green still and lush. And I looked

437
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 3: at the little bowl that that waterway comes out of,

438
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 3: and it was green and like vibrant summertime green, and

439
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 3: I thought, I can't, I can't walk past this. There's

440
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 3: it's just there's too much going on here. And so

441
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: I had a decision to make where I could have

442
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 3: just followed the edge of the woods around to this stand,

443
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 3: but my scent would have blown into that woods. And

444
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: so the trade off was go straight through the beans,

445
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 3: where I'm gonna leave a lot more ground sent but

446
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: probably not get winded by anything bedded in there. And

447
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: I kind of hemmed and hot on it, and I'm like,

448
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go straight down through the beans because at

449
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: least if they get there and they win the you know,

450
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 3: they pick up my central, I can shoot them, shoot them,

451
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: and so go in, get into this stand. It's nice.

452
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like you're looking around, You're going this

453
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 3: is set up. Well, I'm not gonna get busted. The

454
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: wind's real good for me. And I'm sitting there and

455
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing anything like and it's getting later and later,

456
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 3: and I'm looking out on this gorgeous green bean field

457
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: and finally a deer comes out in the corner that

458
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: I can see maybe seventy eighty yards away. I pull

459
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: up my binos and I see this rack come up,

460
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 3: and I told, you know, we're filming. I told the Max.

461
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 3: I was like, that's a good buck. Get ready. And

462
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 3: so I can't see past him because he's standing up

463
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 3: to film. So I'm like dying trying to look around

464
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 3: this tree I'm in, and I see this deer getting

465
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 3: closer and there, you know how it is like when

466
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 3: you look when you're above a beanfield they've been feeding in.

467
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 3: They'll be rows that they just use, like they looked

468
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: like a highway through there. And there was two of

469
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 3: those parallel and going through my shooting window and I

470
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 3: look in a little like four to six pointer is

471
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 3: coming in and he's filming it and I'm like, yeah,

472
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: that makes sense, and I see the bigger buck behind,

473
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: and so I'm like, okay, I got to watch this

474
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: buck to see when he hits my centrail and what

475
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: he does, because he's gonna get there first. And he

476
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: hits this centrail and like a lot of young bucks,

477
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: you know, you see him kind of working it out,

478
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: and then he follows it right into our tree and

479
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is not good like this this is

480
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: this is gonna be real heartbreaking because now this buck's

481
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: like forty thirty five and I can't shoot. But he's

482
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: getting he's following this lane that's going to take him

483
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 3: to twenty nine and I'm watching him and he's he

484
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: hits my centrail and stops, and I'm like, I can

485
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 3: shoot right here, but it's tight. And I look over

486
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 3: and the canvas pointed down at the four ky and

487
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, Max, you got to get on the big one.

488
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: He didn't even know it was there. He did, He

489
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: had no clue it was there, and so he switches

490
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 3: gears and then by then I'm just melting down, you know,

491
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 3: And I'm watching this buck and I go, Okay, if

492
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: he turns in this spot, I can kill him. Right,

493
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: he's twenty nine yards, he'll be broadside. I can kill him.

494
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm starting to talk myself into it because

495
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's not going to walk past that centrail

496
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: the way that little buck did. Like he's he's thinking

497
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: about it differently, and I kind of talked myself into it.

498
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: Well he's spun around and I'm like, okay, now he's

499
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 3: gonna leave. And so I drew and I had a

500
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 3: kind of like crouch shoot, and I mean, you know

501
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: how it is like when you when you're aiming at

502
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: a deer after you've been watching it a long time,

503
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: Like I have this thought process in my head because

504
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm watching my pin go from like his nose to

505
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: his ass and back and forth, and I'm like, you

506
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta get your act together, buddy, And I

507
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: got that pin settled and shot and it cracked into

508
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 3: him and that deer took off like a freaking rocket like,

509
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 3: and I was like, I think it went right into

510
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: the pocket, you know, right into his heart. And it

511
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: ended up actually hitting him through the front shoulder a

512
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: little bit and busting through to the It didn't go

513
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: through the backside, but it got close. It broke a

514
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: rib on the far side, so he ended up only

515
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: going like one hundred yards. But you know how it

516
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: is like when you have enough experience shooting deer, Like

517
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: for me, when I hit him like that, if I

518
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: don't see him fall, I immediately start to second guess

519
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: and go negative and like, oh my god, I screwed

520
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: it up, Like yeah, I didn't get the penetration I

521
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: wanted or whatever, And it actually just worked out really well.

522
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: So it was pretty freaking sweet.

523
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: Man, beautiful, beautiful sight when that all comes together. So

524
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: what are the what are the two big takeaways or

525
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: lessons learned that we can pull out of that.

526
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: One man again? Like I know I say this a lot,

527
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 3: but options, like you know, we've I've been hunting you know,

528
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: I've hunt like ten days this season, and I've had

529
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: east winds like four or five days, you know, like

530
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: I've had things that I don't typically plan for. I

531
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 3: plan for a little bit, but not a lot. And

532
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: it just reminded me the same thing with the morning sits,

533
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: where I'm like, I know I'm gonna sit mornings when

534
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: I'm doing these hunts. I didn't give myself as many options,

535
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 3: and I kind of tried, but I needed to give

536
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: myself more options. And I'm always reminded of that, Like

537
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: you you're gonna build a plan and you're gonna say

538
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: I'm killing this book here on the beans opening night,

539
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: and then the wind sucks or it's pouring rain or something,

540
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, what am I gonna do to

541
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: make the most of it? And so for me, it's

542
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: always I don't ever give myself enough options, Like I

543
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: don't think I could even when I feel like I'm

544
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: super prepared. So that that was like a big takeaway

545
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: for me, like you've got to do better, especially if

546
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 3: you have the time and you you know like you

547
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: can do it, like if it's if it's like a

548
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: traveling public land hunt or something it's a different deal.

549
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: But this wasn't and I didn't. I didn't set myself

550
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: up as as well as I should have, basically, and

551
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us do that. We kind

552
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: of settle for good enough and do the other thing

553
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: that I'm just I get reminded of this, I don't

554
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: know every three, four, five seasons is do not walk

555
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: past really good sign like do.

556
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: Not so hard not to want to see like what's

557
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: around the next corner though, or if you had like

558
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: a plan to get to point A, you know, it's like,

559
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: well I was gonna go to point AH.

560
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's hard, and it's because we fall

561
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: in love with our ideas. But the reality is you

562
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: have to have like a loose framework of a plan

563
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: and you have to have options, but you also have

564
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: to be like smart enough to go I'm looking at

565
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: this right now and I should not walk past this.

566
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 3: And I you know, I did this probably like five

567
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: years ago in Oklahoma and killed a buck one time.

568
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: Like I just on this one, I was like, do

569
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: not go beyond this, just stay here and give this

570
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: a sit because everything is telling you that this will

571
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: be a good spot tonight.

572
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: Now. Remind me I remember you said, like at the

573
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: bottom of this low spot there was the really green

574
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: beans and there was acorns dropping two right, yep. What

575
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: else was making that spot? Was it just those two

576
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: things happening at the same place that made it so

577
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: dynamite or was there something with like was it really

578
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: tight to where you thought they were bedded too, or

579
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: anything else that made that like the spot?

580
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely so. The way that this this side of the

581
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: field is positioned, the sun is setting, you know, beyond you,

582
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: so you're not in the sun all night like you're

583
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: you're in We were in shadows and it was hot.

584
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: I mean it was mid seventies, I'm sure, and the

585
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: sun was blazing away. But when I walked in, the

586
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 3: difference in temperature between being in the sun on the

587
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: top of that field and just dropping into that hole,

588
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: it was like relieving. And so you're sitting there going, man,

589
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: if you're a deer out there, even summer coat deer

590
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: that are going to be bedded close, they're going to

591
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: pop out here earlier and probably be it wasn't the

592
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: first day of warm weather, right, so they they were

593
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: probably like this is the place to be where it's

594
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: just more comfortable and so that that was a factor too,

595
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: Like where we were set up wasn't that far away

596
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: from a trout stream in the bottom of the valley,

597
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: so it was like a little micro climate. It was

598
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: just cooler than the other side of the field.

599
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: Man, sounds pretty that's pretty nice. I get it.

600
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was. It just it worked out well.

601
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: It's a good feeling. It's a very good feeling. So

602
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: how would I walk through mine? Then? And then you

603
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: pressed me on some questions as I go through this,

604
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: and then I've got a couple of thoughts kind of

605
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: takeaways that I've thought through on this deer too. So

606
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: I was in Wisconsin, as you know, and had some

607
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: like weird changes in travel things that I had to

608
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: do that I kind of found out late this summer

609
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: early fall in which led to me having to change

610
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: my hunt plans this fall a little bit. I was

611
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: going to do a different thing Wisconsin, and then as

612
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, we had some work stuff and all of

613
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: a sudden, I was like, WHOA, I need to rethink this,

614
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: which led me to try to find like what other

615
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: options I had in Wisconsin where I could hunt someplace

616
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: with a very short amount of time and maybe have

617
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: a chance to kill a dough or a little buck

618
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: or anything like that. And I thought, man, Doug Duran

619
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: has always said I could come hunt around him someday.

620
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: I know there's deer around there. I'd love to spend

621
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: some time with him. I want to get McAll and

622
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: see see what he you know, what he thinks. So

623
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: long story short, I gave Doug a call, and I

624
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: couldn't hunt his farm because he has other people to

625
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: bow hunt that. But he does have another farm in

626
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: the neighborhood that he helps manage, and he has this

627
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: program called Sharing the Land, which is very cool for

628
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: folks if you're interested in trying to find access to hunt.

629
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: He's got this program that connects landowners that want help

630
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: on their property with access seekers like hunters who are

631
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: looking for somewhere to hunt, and basically connects them and

632
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: in exchange for doing some work on the farm, doing

633
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: some conservation work, you can get access to hunt. And

634
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: that was basically the program I was going to go through.

635
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: So in exchange for me doing some chores in the

636
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: farm at Doug's place, I was going to get permission

637
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: to hunt this other property in the area. But that

638
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: said I'd never been there. I'd never seen it before

639
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: going in cold, so just did a bunch of e

640
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: scouting leading up to it. It looked like a good spot.

641
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: It was. Imagine like a two tiered property. There's a

642
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: large plateau that had a bean field on top, and

643
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 2: then there's the surrounding ridge that runs around like imagine

644
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: like a half circle. Imagine so the top of the

645
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: half circle like a double decker cake, like a double

646
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: decker wedding cake is what it kind of looks like. Right,

647
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: So you've got that top part of the wedding cake

648
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: that's smaller bean fill up top, and then on the

649
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: side of that, you've got a wooded ridge line with

650
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: points extending off of that, which on on next showed

651
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: like there's a bunch of oak trees and stuff in

652
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: there and all these points that come off something and

653
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 2: oh man, there's definitely got to be deer beded off

654
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: of these points leading up to that standing beanfield and

655
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: at the bottom there's standing corn and so that's what

656
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: the property has.

657
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: So hold on this. This is like a very typical

658
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: kind of bluff land set up right where top and

659
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: bottoms of egg and anything that they can't run a

660
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 3: tractor on is going to have the cover in it?

661
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And it's it's something where I've not really

662
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: hunted that kind of bluffy stuff before. My stuff in

663
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 2: Iowa has some topography like that, but not quite like this.

664
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: And then I hunted, you know that one other time

665
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: I hunted Wisconsin with Tom Inderbout it was a little

666
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: bit like this, but this definitely felt a little bit different.

667
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: I got there was like it was bigger than I

668
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: had hunted in the past. So one of my questions

669
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: coming into it was thermals, Like how much are thermals

670
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: going to play into this? I assume they would play

671
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: into it, but like throughout the whole week, I was

672
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: constantly thinking to myself, Okay, is the wind gonna win

673
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: out here or is the thermal gonna win out here?

674
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: And which do I trust more when trying to make

675
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: a decision. So all that said, coming into it, I

676
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: thought to myself, well, the beans should still be green.

677
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that's going to be a top food source still,

678
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: So I imagine some evenings around those beans will be a

679
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: good starting point. Hopefully I'll be able to see something,

680
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: see where they're bedded, where they're coming out and make

681
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: some moves. And then I thought, I'll hunt some mornings,

682
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 2: but I'll hunt down on the standing corn side. There

683
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: was like a waterway that comes through that standing cornfield

684
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: and then goes up into like a wooded brushy look

685
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: and draw, and there's a creek that runs through there,

686
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: and then that kind of extends up to the side

687
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: of the cake, the wedding cake, and then extends up

688
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: to the top of the cake. So like this is

689
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: the connection point from the bottom of the wedding cake

690
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: up to the top of a wedding cake. So I thought, like, man,

691
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: if there's going to be a dynamite like morning location,

692
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 2: I bet you deer transition through there in the mornings

693
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: and you could safely get to it because I could

694
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: come through that standing corn or through the waterway and

695
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: get set up. So I pinned a spot along that

696
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 2: brushy waterway for a possible morning location, and I pinned

697
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: a couple of different ideas up on top along the

698
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: beans for some evening starting points, and that's all I

699
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: had to work with that first night. We got there

700
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: kind of late because I had been in Minnesota doing

701
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: a fishing camping thing leading into this, and so we

702
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: got there like already too late, some kind of rushing.

703
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: And so the short version of what happened that first

704
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: night is I thought, with the wind and with the map,

705
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: that I could hunt this northeast corner of that bean

706
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: field and see to where I thought the two best

707
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: betting points might be. I thought i'd be able to

708
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: see deer come out of that, so I headed that direction.

709
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: And then what I've discovered was that this field is

710
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 2: one of those fields where it's like high in the middle,

711
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: but then it drops off, you know, steeply on either side,

712
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: so you actually can't see most of the field. And

713
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: so it was one of those nights where it got

714
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: very still as I'm walking out there, and so by

715
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: the time I kind of realized, oh crap, Like when

716
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: I got to the area, I was interested, when I'm

717
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: like realizing I can't see very much at all. I

718
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: also am realizing it's late. Everything silent, like every step

719
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: I take is making a ton of noise, and we're

720
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: already running out of time. And I've got a cameraman

721
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: with me, who you know, isn't used to setting up

722
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: in the saddle. I'm like, this is already feeling like

723
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: a disaster. I can't I'm stuck. I just felt stuck.

724
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: So I felt like I just needed to get in

725
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: a tree here and cut my losses and you know,

726
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: maybe see something to learn something. But I was not

727
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: happy with the situation and it didn't pan out well.

728
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: I saw a few doughs, had a few doughs whin

729
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: me that came behind me, and that was it. It

730
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: was like a lost night. So the next morning, I'm like, well,

731
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: Then that evening, I'm like, Okay, you made a mistake.

732
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: You I got too far into a situation and you

733
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: did not learn Like I realized. I need to step

734
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: back and get back into learning mode because that situation

735
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: did not at all play out the way. So I

736
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: needed to reassess. I need to figure some stuff out.

737
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: I gotta get some eyes on things. So I'm gonna

738
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: do two things today to reset myself. I want to

739
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: have a couple really really smart hunts versus like a

740
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: bunch of these blind hunts where I'm not, you know,

741
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: knowing what I'm getting into and they're not well set up.

742
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: So the first thing I decided it was that I

743
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: was not gonna hunt. That first morning, I wasn't gonna

744
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: go and blind to a spot and set up in

745
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: the dark, like I originally thought I might. Instead, I

746
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: was going to figure out a way too smartly scout

747
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: and locate a good betting located or a good morning

748
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: hunt location, and set something up that I'll have ready

749
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: for the next days hunt. The second thing I was

750
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: gonna do is that I was going to find an actual,

751
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: really good observation stand and hunt in a spot that

752
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: I don't think I'll actually kill a deer that night,

753
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: but where I can see stuff and really learn. And

754
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: I would rather sacrifice that night's hunt to have two

755
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: really good smart hunts after that.

756
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: So how many days did you have to hunt this place?

757
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: I had four evenings and three mornings, Okay, so that

758
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: which ended up being four more, which ended up being

759
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: four evenings and two mornings.

760
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you but that's a there's a good lesson

761
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: there in that even with a very very short amount

762
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: of time, you still go. I'd rather scout and set

763
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: myself up correctly then take a gamble just to be hunting.

764
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people don't like I

765
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: think that's very hard for a lot of people.

766
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was I mean it was even hard

767
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: for me, like and I, but I realized like after

768
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: that first I was like, you got too you got

769
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: too greedy, Like I pushed in it. I thought like

770
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: I want to get into where I thought that good

771
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: stuff wasn't. Yeah, I was able that night, Like laying

772
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: in bed, I was thinking this through and I had

773
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: this whole debate with myself. It's just not worth it,

774
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: like I would rather sacrifice all of tomorrow if I

775
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: can learn the right things, you know, yep. And so

776
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: I was sitting and trying to think, like how do

777
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: I figure out where I could hunt morning without screwing

778
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: it up? And I got to thinking Doug drives around

779
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: his farm all the time on his side by side,

780
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: drives around his farm, likely drives around this other farm

781
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: because he helps manage it. So I got in touch

782
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: with Doug and I said, hey, Doug, do you drive

783
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: around all the time on your side by side doing

784
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: farm stuff? And He's like yeah. I was like, all right, Well,

785
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: would you be willing to drive around doing your farm

786
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 2: stuff like you usually do today? And can I ride

787
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: with you? And if I ask you to stop somewhere,

788
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: will you just stop and sit there parked with a

789
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: cannam riding or still running, and let me set up

790
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: a tree, and he said, yeah, let's do it. So

791
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 2: this was like the secret to my success. I knew

792
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: that that draw looked awesome. It was thick and brushy

793
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: and there's all sorts of betting all around it. But

794
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: if I were to walk through that on foot, every

795
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: dang deer around there would see me, smell me, hear

796
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: me something. But I decided to take a calculated risk

797
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: and drive in there on this path that Doug has

798
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: that he goes riding around and often, and we ride

799
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: in there. And one other thing I learned. As I'm

800
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: telling him about how I'm interest in this draw, he

801
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: mentions that there's apple trees in the area. So I

802
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: asked them where are these apple trees? I said, well,

803
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: there's one right here, right next to this pathway that

804
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: I was interested in checking out. So right away, I'm like,

805
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 2: that sounds great. We definitely have to check that out.

806
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 2: So we go do that. We drive over to this place.

807
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: I have all my stuff. I've got sticks in my

808
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: saw and platforms and stuff to go and prepar tree.

809
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: We drive in. We get to that apple tree right away,

810
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: I see it's loaded with apples. They've been hammering it,

811
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: and I look around. I'm thinking about what the wind

812
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: in thermals are going to do, and there's one tree

813
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: that seems like you could be in range and the

814
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: wind would work. And you're kind of downhill, so if

815
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: the thermals are dropping in the morning, it would drop

816
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: into the standing corn and I could probably get away

817
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: with it. So he stays in the canam running. I

818
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: hop out, sneak over to that tree, hang a set,

819
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: trum out a couple shooting lanes, slip back down to

820
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: the rig. We drive out. That's all set for the

821
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: next morning hunting this spot where this apple tree is

822
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: in that waterway connecting to like a thick alder thicket

823
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: that leads up that creek bottom and up into like

824
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: an amphitheater on the side of that cake. So that's

825
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: the morning plan. Feeling good evening, I go back to

826
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: that bean field, but I find the one high spot

827
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: where I can actually get up top, and I can

828
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: from this This is the only place in the whole

829
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 2: field where you could actually seed down to the points.

830
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: So get up in a tree. Six something o'clock. All

831
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden, deer start coming off of those points.

832
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: So imagine like the edge of that top tier of

833
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: the wedding cake. There's these points that extend out, and

834
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: so each one of these there's two big fingers of

835
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: beans that extend out to those points, and groups of

836
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: deer started popping out into those two points. Last thirty

837
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: minutes of daylight, a group of bachelor or a group

838
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: of bucks comes off of one of them, several young bucks,

839
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: and one of them is like a big giant, and

840
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: the big giant comes working this way down the edge

841
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: of the timber and right towards the last light gets almost,

842
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: you know, within like one hundred some yards of me,

843
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: and then it ends up being too dark. I wait

844
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: till they leave, slip out of there, and then my

845
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: plan the next day is to hunt the apple tree

846
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: in the morning and then make a move on those

847
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: bucks that next night. So in the morning, I was

848
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 2: gonna hunt the apple trees, and I was gonna shoot

849
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: the first door I saw, because the one thing Doug

850
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: did really want was that, in addition to farm chorices,

851
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: he really wanted me to shoot a dough. They're trying

852
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: to manage the deer population out there because of CWD concerns,

853
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: so that was also part of my duty. And so yeah,

854
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: got in there early that morning, was able to get

855
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: you great access along that waterway to get up into

856
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: this tree. Didn't spook any deer. Got up half hour

857
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: after daylight or something. Here comes a dough smoker. The

858
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: weird situation with this was that, you know, I shot

859
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: the dough double lung. She ran off from the thicket.

860
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: I could hear a crash. Seemed like all right, great,

861
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: I figured why I sit here a little while longer

862
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: in case of buck comes along, and then I'll pick

863
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: up the trail. So, you know, maybe an hour hour

864
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: and a half after that, I get down the tree

865
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: pick up the blood trail. I'm a slow blood trailer,

866
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: as you know, because I've got the red green color

867
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: deficiency issue. So it probably took me a half hour

868
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: forty five minutes, maybe more than that to get to

869
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: the end of the blood trail. But the blood trail

870
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: kind of petered out right around where I thought that

871
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: she should be dead. So I'm standing around looking for

872
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: don't understand why I can't find the blood, and I

873
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: kind of take a few steps back and then I

874
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: see a dead deer in the grass, but it's like destroyed,

875
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: like it's all eaten up. And I say, like, man,

876
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: that's weird. It's a dead deer. It's not mine, though.

877
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: I walk over, yeah, and I'm looking at it and

878
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, that can't be my deer. But it looks

879
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: fresh and like the meat looks really fresh. But I mean,

880
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: like the rim meat is gone, the whole one half

881
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: is completely opened up. The stomach's out, the intestines are out,

882
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: the front cores in the back corse eating, the backstraps eating.

883
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: And it's only been like two some hours since I

884
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: shot the deer, and I still am like, there's no

885
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: way this is my deer. And then I flip her

886
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: over and I see the exit wound right behind the shoulder.

887
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: And then I walk back. I'm like, oh, here's the

888
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: blood trail leading right to her. And I'm realizing, like

889
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: holy smokes, like within like two ish hours, this deer got.

890
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: Devoured so that you didn't hear the oats on there.

891
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: I didn't hear a thing, and I was less than

892
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: one hundred yards away, Tony. Wow, that crazy, yep. I

893
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: mean you saw the picture, I think. And then they

894
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: really got to her, So that was bad luck. But

895
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 2: I felt good that the setup worked. Good good shot,

896
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: great dough. I felt good at least Doug it has

897
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: one less dough in his property, and we were able

898
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 2: to submit the head for CWD testing all that kind

899
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: of stuff. But that was like a big day. When

900
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: did my farm chores mid day that day to to

901
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: take care of that part of my obligation. That evening

902
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: made a move on those bucks. The wind was like

903
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: I couldn't have asked for a harder wind to try

904
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: to make a move on them, So I was kind

905
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: of limited what I could do. But I made a move,

906
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: got as close as I could and hoped that the

907
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: thermals would suck my wind down this draw behind me.

908
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: And the long story short on that is that just

909
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: didn't see him. I saw a few dos, but the

910
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: bucks didn't show that night. Whether that's because I screwed

911
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: up in some way or just they weren't there, I'm

912
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 2: not sure.

913
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: Do you think they knew you were there?

914
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: I don't. If I had to put money in, I

915
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: don't think so. Like my wind for most of the time,

916
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: not that an airant little swirl couldn't have done it.

917
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: It's possible. They definitely did not hear me or see me.

918
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: The only question is if the wind, because the wind

919
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: was like it was very it was like a light

920
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: and variable wind was basically what I had, and so

921
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to get tight, tight to where they came in,

922
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: but because of that wind, I just didn't think I

923
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: could safely do that, so I stayed back. I was

924
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: maybe still like one hundred ish yards or so away

925
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: from where they came out from the field, but I

926
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: was right at the top of like a little draw

927
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: that was right behind me. So my hope was that

928
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: this light and variable wind would drop my wind down

929
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: beneath me and then they would be coming from the

930
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: side and they wouldn't smell me. And just didn't happen.

931
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure why, but uh, that was that night.

932
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 2: So my game plan was there's a big rainstorm coming

933
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: through overnight and into the next morning, and I thought was, well,

934
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make another move on these bucks tomorrow night.

935
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: I've got a slightly different wind. I'll get really aggressive

936
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: because my last night, but let's go hunt that apple

937
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: tree set one more time. It's dynamite. The rain came

938
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: through all through overnight HOPEU that washes away any scent

939
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: that we left, and when we were in there getting

940
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: our deer, it just seemed like a really really good

941
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 2: location was worth a shot again. Next morning, thunderstorm, pouring rain,

942
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: get all suited up, walk out in there, just kind

943
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: of in the trench, downpour, hike into the tree, and

944
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: my thoughts are supposed to die off about half hour

945
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: forty five minutes after daylight, the rain's supposed to stop,

946
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: and then you know, hopefully get lucky and something will

947
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: be moving up.

948
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: When that rain passes through.

949
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 2: Half hour after daylight or whatever it was, the rain stops.

950
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: I look up and there's a big giant buck walking

951
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: right up that water right towards the apple tree, and

952
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: my winds dropping down perfect just like still dropping down

953
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: the thermals kind of cutting off to the side of

954
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: where he's coming, dropping into the standing corn, and he's

955
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: paralleling where that wind's going up that waterway heads right

956
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: to the apple trees, and he's got another buck with

957
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: him and kind does the same thing that dough does,

958
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: except for the dough moved up to the front side

959
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: of the apple tree, but he was on the backside.

960
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: So it's a forty yard shot, took it and got him.

961
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: Shot was a little back. He went off. Then some

962
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: rain came in after the shot. So then I started

963
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: getting really paranoid because I'm like, man, the SHOT's back

964
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: plus rain, it's gonna be a hard one to find.

965
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: But fortunate Doug had a front with a dog with

966
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: a dog said yeah, I love too. If you have

967
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 2: any questions and you can use a dog, I always

968
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: bring a dog to be safe. And so that was right,

969
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: that was the right call. We waited, you know, the

970
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: necessary time on a on a hit back and came

971
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: in that evening. The dog led us write to him.

972
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: How far was he?

973
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: How far are you run?

974
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

975
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: I think one hundred and twenty yards as the crow flies,

976
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: but I think as like the track took it like

977
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: he took kind of a he went. He dropped in

978
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: that same creek bottom and then did one loop and

979
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: then died in the creek. And I think the track

980
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: was like one fifty or one sixty or something like that.

981
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: How much did it weigh in your mind knowing that

982
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 3: you'd shot that dough just before and she got eaten

983
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: up real fast to take a shot, you know, forties

984
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: of polk and you know you've got rain, and like,

985
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 3: was it in the back of your mind, like you better,

986
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: you better get this right.

987
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you in the moment, I wasn't thinking

988
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: about any of those things. In the moment, I was thinking,

989
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 2: holy smokes, here's a buck and it had stopped raining

990
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: and it was supposed to be done raining. So at

991
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: that point I thought we were safe from a rain perspective,

992
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: like it was zero percent from there now. So what

993
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: I was in that moment when that buck came in

994
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: he came to the back of the apple tree, and

995
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: his running buddy didn't go to the apple tree. The

996
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 2: running buddies start heading into bed. His heart headed into

997
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: his cover. And so when I saw that, I'm like,

998
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: he's gonna follow his buddy any second now, Like this

999
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: is gonna be my shot. I I just remember thinking,

1000
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: like I don't think he's coming closer, and so forty

1001
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: is my max range, Like I don't like to shoot

1002
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: past that on a deer, and uh, but he's a

1003
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: big body deer, and I'm just thinking I can do that,

1004
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: And you know I didn't. I didn't twelve ring. He

1005
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: kind of did a little you know, he started to

1006
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: turn a little bit, and I pulled a little bit,

1007
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: and those two things combined put it. I thought the

1008
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: hit might be the back of the liver or just

1009
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: behind it, and that's what ended up being. So when

1010
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: I really got stress was after the shot, because after

1011
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: the shot then like then this extra rain came through.

1012
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, I hit the deer back, and now

1013
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: there's this rain, and then there's those coyotes, Like I can't.

1014
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: But what I came down to is like I'm thinking

1015
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 2: about all these things that I'm thinking. I'm worried about

1016
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 2: coyotes getting on him, but I just you can't push

1017
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: a deer like that that's hit in that place. Like

1018
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: if I go in there now, there's a very good

1019
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: chance I push him and I'll never find him. If

1020
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: I wait the appropriate amount of time, I should find him,

1021
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: and hopefully I'll find all of them. Maybe I won't,

1022
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: but at least I know, like I didn't push him

1023
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: away that that seemed to me like the only way

1024
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: to guarantee i'd find him. The other way would be like,

1025
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: very likely I can mess it up. And so that

1026
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: was the judgment call I made, And unfortunately he was

1027
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: in perfect condition. No coyotes got on him. He died

1028
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: in the creek, and so the creek you know, kept

1029
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: him like perfectly cold and cool and great, like the

1030
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: meat was with one hundred percent great. So so yeah,

1031
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: all of that worked out. Awesome, He's got dropt time,

1032
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: he's got a sticker off of G two, very cool

1033
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: deer two. So just awesome.

1034
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a neat buck man. So what did you learn?

1035
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'd say the two things are this number one.

1036
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: You kind of address this early on the value of

1037
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: scouting more than hunting, Like that was the key to

1038
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: my success was taking that day too and saying, you

1039
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: know what, I just need to learn. I just need

1040
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: to figure this out right now because right now I'm

1041
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: working with zero pieces of the puzzle. I need to

1042
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: sacrifice the day of hunting to get some puzzle pieces

1043
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: and to prep something and make sure I've got, you know,

1044
00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: something that's well planned. That's that's uh. I just blind hunts,

1045
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: uninformed hunts are worthless. You're just counting on luck and

1046
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: most of the times you're not going to get that.

1047
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: So I'd much rather sacrifice a day like that to

1048
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: get two or even one. Just good days. And so

1049
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: that was the key I was going in there that

1050
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: day and and doing that midday scout and prep prepping

1051
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: that location in there, and and then even you know,

1052
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: even if I didn't kill that buck that morning, I

1053
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: think that the work, the things that I learned through

1054
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 2: the evening probably would have led me eventually to killing

1055
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: a buck up on top, maybe two if I had

1056
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: a few more days, because I feel like I was,

1057
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: you know, learn a couple of key things that I

1058
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: needed to with that observation set as well. So that

1059
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 2: was that was the most important thing, I think, glassing, observing,

1060
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 2: doing little prep work, doing that scouting work. That's the ticket.

1061
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 3: Was that buck, the one you saw on the beans.

1062
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: So I haven't seen the footage, so I don't I

1063
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: can't stay it with one certainty, but I'm ninety six

1064
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: percent sure like it matches up usually as I remember them,

1065
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: Like the frame is the same for sure. I feel

1066
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: like I remember seeing like a funky thing off the

1067
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: main beam on that evening buck, which would match up

1068
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: with the little drop time on the buck I shot.

1069
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: So I would say ninety six to ninety seven percent sure.

1070
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: I just haven't got to confirm it with a view yet.

1071
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: It was just it was low light, you know, in

1072
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: the evening hunt, so when he got close enough, so

1073
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: I just didn't see him well enough to be certain certain.

1074
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: The second thing is just the importance of never being

1075
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: so set in your ways that you're not willing to

1076
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: break your own rules. So, as you know, I'm usually

1077
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: not an early season morning guy. At least I used

1078
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 2: to be like a never. And then over the last

1079
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: ten years, I've gradually you know, fifteen years ago, when

1080
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: I was basing most of my hunting off of what

1081
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: other people said and what I learned from other people,

1082
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: that was like a rule I wrote down because so

1083
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: and so said it, and so and so and said it,

1084
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: and so and so said so said, Okay, you can't

1085
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: hunt early season mornings because they're too risky and it's

1086
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: not worth it. And then over the last fifteen years,

1087
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: as I've gotten more and more and more experience of

1088
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: my own, I've slowly learned that, you know, there is

1089
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: a reason why those are risky and maybe not always

1090
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: a great call, and maybe some places it doesn't set up.

1091
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: But at the same time, there are other situations where

1092
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: it's worth that risk, or where there is the right access,

1093
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: or where there's the right situation that it can work.

1094
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: And so in this kind of scenario where you don't

1095
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: have a lot of time and you had something you

1096
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: could access, like, heck, yeah, hunt it. There's no reason

1097
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: not to try, especially when you had good in and

1098
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: out access the way I did, and not a lot

1099
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: of times. You've got to take advantage of the opportunities

1100
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: that you do have. So so thank goodness for my

1101
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: evolution over the last five to eight years on that one,

1102
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: because I would have missed out on a great opportunity

1103
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 2: if I had.

1104
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's you know, I mean there are

1105
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 3: situations obviously where people can't do it or you shouldn't

1106
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: do it, but to go into a new property or

1107
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: even to take some of the properties we think we

1108
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: know and just be like there's no way. I mean,

1109
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: with the way things change and crop rotations change and

1110
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: logging and whatever else, like, there there are opportunities out

1111
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 3: there that you should be looking for. Maybe you won't

1112
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 3: find it, like maybe it just doesn't exist on your farm,

1113
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: but it probably does, or like there's there's maybe a

1114
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: better chance than you think. And when you find it

1115
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: like that, I mean, that's like, that's a great opportunity.

1116
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: And that's that's one of those setups like you're talking

1117
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: about that might be good every day of the season

1118
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: like that, that might be that good of a setup

1119
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 3: where you could hunt that from opener until close every morning.

1120
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you wouldn't want to, but there are

1121
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: situations like that out there.

1122
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And you know that's another thing going back

1123
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: to like not assuming something just because of like what

1124
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: it should be. You know, I think I might have

1125
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: ten years ago I might have said, well, there's no

1126
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: way I'm gonna hunt that apple tree again, because I

1127
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: was in there yesterday, I shot a deer, I walked

1128
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 2: through it. It's gonna be all mucked up every and

1129
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: the nation knows about it. I shouldn't hunt that spot again.

1130
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: But I took a calculator risk, and I said, well,

1131
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: I really liked the spot and I had rain. I've

1132
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: also seen enough times where like one time one time

1133
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 2: in Ken screw it all up. Yes, Also it doesn't

1134
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: always you know, the buck the year after might have

1135
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: been a mile away, or he might have never been

1136
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: through here. And so I did think about them, like

1137
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 2: is this stupid to go in here and try this again?

1138
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: And I said you know what, I've trust in the

1139
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: spot so much and I think the rain will cover me.

1140
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: I think it's worth it. Ten years ago, maybe I

1141
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: would have said, oh no, it's write it off, move

1142
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: on somewhere, do something different. So that's another one where

1143
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: like you got, you gotta be willing to sometimes go

1144
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: outside of what the pros tell you.

1145
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: I guess you know, well, and when you're when you're

1146
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: in a situation. Man, I've been running a camera on

1147
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: this new property by my house here on an apple tree.

1148
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: And I don't I don't hunt apple trees hardly ever,

1149
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: Like I just don't really have the opportunity. But this

1150
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: has been an eye open and you know, you think

1151
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 3: about you go in there and you shoot that dough

1152
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: and there's coyotes in there, and you guys are in

1153
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: there and the whole thing, and then you get that

1154
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: rain and you go, okay, well, I've got kind of

1155
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 3: a blank slate to start over here. You also have

1156
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 3: the reality that those deer absolutely know that that rain

1157
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: is knocking down apples, and if you have a downpour,

1158
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: you typically have some kind of frontal wind with it

1159
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 3: at some point that might help you knock down some

1160
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: more food. For them anyway, and so it's it's not

1161
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: just as there might be more going on than just like, Okay,

1162
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: our scent's probably gone. So we kind of get a

1163
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: redo on this spot, which is a gift. But you

1164
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: also have the reality that those deer live out there

1165
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: every day and they know certain kind of weather conditions

1166
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: come through, and there's a whole bunch more acorns or

1167
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 3: apples on the ground, and that can work in your favor.

1168
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hadn't thought about that, but there's definitely

1169
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 2: some truth to that. And yeah, I don't have apples

1170
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: anywhere else at Hunt, but you know, it seems like

1171
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: any the couple of other times I've been on other

1172
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: propers where they did have them. If you happen to

1173
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: catch it on a year where like you have the

1174
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: apples and it's it's like an isolated apple tree, it

1175
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: just seems like they have a really hard time resisting that.

1176
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: Like ice cream, stand back and cover.

1177
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 3: If you have it, you're just gonna check it, I mean,

1178
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: they just I mean how to check it?

1179
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: This just I mean, I couldn't have written up a

1180
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: much better kind of location for a morning kind of

1181
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: transition spot. It just right away jumped out like everything

1182
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: you want. You've got the safe access and you've got

1183
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: it on the edge of this betting. You've got the

1184
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: apple tree isolated back that were far back in there.

1185
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: Some mean, it's just it was sweet, and you know,

1186
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: it worked out.

1187
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: Well, and you have the benefit of the crop rotation,

1188
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 3: having beans on top to send those deer down to you,

1189
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: because a fair amount of them are going to be

1190
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: up there at night and you know where they're going

1191
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: to start. That would have been a different hunt for

1192
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: you if it had been corn on the top and

1193
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: the bottom. Probably yeah, I mean it still might have

1194
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 3: been good, but maybe not that good.

1195
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have would have made my axis a

1196
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: whole lot harder, that's for sure. I would have had

1197
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to come from the top

1198
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: somehow and work my way through all the bedding down

1199
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: to the edge of it would been a much trickier

1200
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah it worked out, and yeah I learned

1201
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: some stuff from it, and it's fun to see it

1202
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: coming here.

1203
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this about that the post

1204
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 3: shot deal with that buck. Are you are you to

1205
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: the point now? Because I remember, like when I was

1206
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 3: growing up, Maybe it's different for you being having red

1207
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 3: green color blindness. But like when I was growing up,

1208
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: like I'm like I love blood trailing, like it's so exciting,

1209
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: like my dad would shoot one or I'd shoot one,

1210
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: like I loved it. Now I'm to the point where

1211
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, if I don't see him fall, I almost

1212
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: hate it. Like we had a situation. I was just

1213
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin with my daughter and she shot a little

1214
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: buck and that I actually saw it hit, Like we

1215
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: watched the footage. I was like, this deer is toast

1216
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: and that deer did stuff on that blood trail that

1217
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: I was so frustrated and it took me like two

1218
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: hours to find him and he was maybe maybe made

1219
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: it like one hundred and twenty five yards, But I

1220
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: remember just being like I don't like blood trailing anymore.

1221
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: Like I'm not I'm not enjoying this at all, Like

1222
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: I hate the uncertainty and the second guest thing. I'm like,

1223
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 3: I just want them to freaking I want to watch

1224
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: them tip over from here on out.

1225
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm almost to the point where I'm only gonna

1226
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: take twenty yard shots where I guarantee like a hard shot,

1227
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: just because of that very reason, Like i just want

1228
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: to see them go down because to your point, like

1229
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: it's so stressful and in the tiniest like the margin

1230
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: for error is so tiny. I mean, I kept thinking

1231
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: about on this book, if I had just been like

1232
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: when I looked to the shop, you give me two

1233
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: and a half inches, and it would have been double

1234
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: lung shot, and that deer, like no questions asked, is dead.

1235
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: But I mean just that it's not much. It's like

1236
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: a finger length and that is gonna make the difference

1237
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: between me having a good, miserable day of stress or

1238
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: right away high five and and stoked. And so it's

1239
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: just I mean, the tiniest little thing. It can be

1240
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: a little mistake on your own, or you could do

1241
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: everything perfect and the deer move, or a little gust

1242
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: to win, or a little I mean, all these little

1243
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: The fact that we ever kill any dear tony, I

1244
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: think is a freaking miracle. Dude. You know, there's so

1245
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: many things can go wrong.

1246
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: It's so true. And the thing that I mean, this

1247
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 3: happened to me twice. It happened to me on my

1248
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 3: buck and happened to me on my daughter's buck. Where

1249
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: I thought the hit was was like four inches from

1250
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: where it was, and that that didn't it didn't really

1251
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: change anything on my buck, but on hers, it changed everything.

1252
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't have just went out there to go

1253
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 3: find it, Like I walked out there way too cocky,

1254
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: and I was like that deer is toast and I

1255
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: brought one headlamp, you know, just dumb, like he's gonna

1256
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna be right here, like I watched it, He's

1257
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,959
Speaker 3: gonna be right here. And then you know, an hour

1258
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 3: into it, you're like time to go back to the

1259
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 3: truck and get real lights and think this through. And

1260
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 3: I just remember thinking, like God, why is this so

1261
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 3: freaking stressful? But it is?

1262
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, If that's there's a huge takeaway right there

1263
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: for this episode too, like always always be cautious and

1264
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: conservative with these blood trails, because yeah, I've had so

1265
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: many that I've been over confident with too, and they're

1266
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: just always tougher than you think they're gonna be. And

1267
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm just lucky in this case, like with this deer.

1268
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: You know, we had footage and the luminac showed me

1269
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: very clearly where I hit. But if I hadn't waited,

1270
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: like if I did not do what I did, yep,

1271
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: I think it would have been a really hard dear

1272
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: to find. So very glad that I waited. Very glad

1273
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: I didn't go walking around and mucking stuff up, because

1274
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: like the dog with zero interference was able to go

1275
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: right to them easiest pie. But if I had tried

1276
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: to go walking around, I don't see blood well, so

1277
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have seen the little blood that there was,

1278
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: and I would have messed up any cent trail for

1279
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: that dog later in the day.

1280
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: So how long did it take that dog to find it?

1281
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I think probably was twenty minutes, thirty minutes, But

1282
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: it was like the only reason why it took even

1283
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: that long was because we were like literally crawling on

1284
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: all fours. It was so thick, so we had to

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: crawl through like this hell hole to get into where

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01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: this deer was running around or walking around. But I

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01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: mean the deer, like I mean, the dog never once

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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: had to be pulled onto a different trail and never

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01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: once had to be led somewhere different, Like he just

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01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: got on it and walked it right and we could

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01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: see blood here and there along the way that he

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01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 2: was on this trail the entire time. So I bet

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01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: you could have found the deer in five minutes if

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01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: we hadn't had to be like crawling around. Yeah, the

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01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: oh man, I mean so incredible, and I'm just glad.

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01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: Like one of my best buddies has a tracking dog,

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01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: and so we would just often, like, no matter what

1298
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: the shot on a deer was, we would have him

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01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: come out to train his dog. And that has just

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01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: gotten me to the point where, like I'm not stigmatized

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01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: by like having a dog out there. So now I'm like, hey,

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01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: if I have a question at all about the blood trailer,

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01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: if I didn't see him go down, and I've got

1304
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: a buddy with a dog around or something, I'm gonna

1305
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: get him out there because why not. And like it

1306
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: was so the right call in this case just gives

1307
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: you so much more confidence too.

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01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: My eyes, dude, they're just so much better at it. Yeah,

1309
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: like orders of magnitude better at it.

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01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 2: Night and day. Although I do love like when there's

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01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: a you know, like a paint can spray it all

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01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: over the ground kind of blood trail, I do like

1313
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: following one of those, but uh, those seem to be

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01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: less frequent than we wish.

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 3: They don't happen every.

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: Time, No, they don't that dough that I killed. I mean, like,

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01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: great shot on her and her blood trails crap. Even

1318
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: though it was, like, you know, almost as good of

1319
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: a shot as I could ask for. I'm just like,

1320
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: why why isn't there more blood? You just don't mean

1321
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: they're just weird, You just never know. So well, buddy,

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01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: I uh, I'm gonna say we wrap this one up.

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01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: I think we've got some good stories we will share,

1324
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: We've got some good lessons learned, We've got some good

1325
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 2: things for you and me to keep in mind for

1326
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: the rest of the season. And I've got another opening

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01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: day hunt coming up here. Well, when people listen to this,

1328
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: my hunt will have already happened. But from us recording it,

1329
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: we're like five days out from opening Day in Michigan,

1330
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: which I'm very excited about. So let's do another one

1331
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: of these soon. How about that?

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01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: Definitely? Well, good luck there in Michigan, buddy.

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: Thank you YouTube man, thanks man. All right, and that's

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01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: a wrap, folks, thank you for tuning in. As I

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: mentioned at the top, if you're listening to this between

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01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: October two and eight of twenty twenty three, make sure

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01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: you head on over to the Mediator dot com or

1338
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: first light dot com to check out Whitetail Week, all

1339
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: sorts of new content, all sorts of good deals, all

1340
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: sorts of love for our favorite big game animal, the

1341
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 2: white tail deer. So that all said, appreciate you being here,

1342
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 2: Thanks for being a part of this community. We are

1343
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: in it. This is the best time of year. Get

1344
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: out there, folks, have some fun hunts. Best of luck

1345
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 2: to you, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.