1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Keith Washington was an Army lieutenant colonel, police officer, and 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Homeland security official in Prince George's County, Maryland, when on 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: January twenty fourth, two thousand and seven, he was at 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: home having dinner with his wife and. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: Daughter while waiting for a furniture delivery. 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: When the delivery men, Brandon Clark and Robert White, arrived, 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: Keith invited them into his home. However, when he found 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: White snooping around his daughter's bedroom. 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: He asked them to leave, but they wouldn't. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: Overpowered by the two much larger men being kicked and 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: stomped on, he beared for his wife and daughter's lives. 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: As well as his own, so he shot the assailants. 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Both were taken to the hospital, but only Robert White survived. White, 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: a twelve time convicted felon, fabricated a story that excused 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: him from what was just one in a string of 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: other home invasions. It's clear which way they should have 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: gone with The official corruption and misconduct the Prince George's 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: County is well documented, with the media frenzy that ensued 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: the prosecution team all jockey for ways to turn this 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: justifiable shooting into an opportunity for their own career advancement 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: with the appearance of upholding equal. 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: Standards of justice for those in law enforcement. 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: While the physical evidence from the investigation supported Keith's story 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: of self defense, they used the inconsistent story of a 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: career criminal to send an upstanding citizen away for forty 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: five years in prison. With the work of his legal team, 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: along with Georgetown University's making an ex honer reprogram, Keith 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: is finally home after thirteen years, while he continues to fight. 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: To clear his name. 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: This is Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flamm. Welcome back to 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction. I'm your host, Jason Flam in today's episode. Well, 32 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: let me just say this before I even introduce our 33 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: two incredible guests today. Our producer, Connor Hall is an 34 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: excellent researcher. But when he sent me the research on 35 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: this case, and I was already familiar with the case, 36 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: but I read it twice and I went, now, there's 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: gotta be mistakes here. This can't be the way it is. 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: But it's all true, and you're going to hear the 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: story straight from the mouth of the person who lived it. 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: And I'm referring to Keith Washington. 41 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: Keith. I'm sorry you're here because of the reason that 42 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: you're here, but I'm very, very honored to have you 43 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: on the show today. 44 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: Well listen, Jason, thanks for having me. I'm more than 45 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: happy to be here. And with the help of a 46 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: lot of good people, including Marty, that's the reason I'm 47 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: here right now. 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: And speaking of Marty, Marty tank Left, my great friend 49 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: and personal hero, has been on the show several times. Actually, 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: his own story is harrowing as a story he can get. 51 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: He was wrongfully convicted of the murder of his parents, 52 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: served seventeen years in prison, and now but practicing attorney 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: and a co professor at Georgetown University. He teaches the 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: making an ex Houner reclass, which had everything to do 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: with helping to get mister Washington out of prison. And 56 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: Marty is now Keith Washington's attorney. It's a full circle story, 57 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: but it's not over yet. But anyway, Marty, it's so 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: fucking great to have you on the show in this role. 59 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 4: Thank you, Jason. It's always an honor and a pleasure 60 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 4: to come on the show as we continue the fight 61 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: for justice for so many individuals out there. And when 62 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: you hear Keith's story, I think people will just be floored. 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't said it better. If this happened to Keith Washington, 64 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: who is the very definition of an American hero, then 65 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: it could happen to anyone. And when I say that, 66 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: Keith was a lieutenant colonel in the United States Army, 67 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: served over for twenty five years with honor, speaks five languages, 68 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: attended some of the foremost military schools in the country, 69 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: and everyone's lost count of how many awards and citations 70 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: he's received for his service to our country. Upon returning home, 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: Keith rose up in the ranks of the police department, 72 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: served as a police officer for seventeen years with distinction. 73 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: Never fired your weapon. I know that you were serving 74 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: as a homeland security official as well. And by the way, 75 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: when this happened, the father of a six year old 76 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: girl happily married. I mean, like, what am I missing here? 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: You almost sound too good to be true. What are 78 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: your flaws? Hey? 79 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: Listen, you know, I thank you for that introduction, and 80 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: I thank you for those comments. But I've just an 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: average guy that worked hard all his life and tried 82 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: to do the right thing. 83 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: So Keith tell us about your upgringing. You came from 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: a single mother, right, but give us a little bit 85 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: of the background if you don't mind. 86 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: Listen. I've had a job since I was thirteen years old. 87 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: My mother and father separated, and at that time I 88 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: became the man of the house, so to speak, and 89 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: so I had a paper route every morning from five 90 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: am on my bicycle. My mother and I sometimes in 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: the rain and the snow, whatever the conditions were, and 92 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: so about seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning we 93 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: finished and then I'd head off the school. At some 94 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: point in time, my mother suffered a serious illness. My 95 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: three sisters had to go live with relatives. My mother 96 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: spent five years in a mill institution, and so as 97 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: a sixteen year old kid, I was homeless and just 98 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: sleep in the car, still going to school though every morning. 99 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: At the end of my senior year, I saw a 100 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: couple of friends of mine. I asked where they're going, 101 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 3: and they said, hey, we're going to join the army. 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: Just that quickly, I said, I'm going with you. And 103 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: so I want to say that everything I've ever done 104 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: or acquired in my life, I owe it to the 105 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: army to the values they taught. It was the best 106 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: thing that could have happened to me. Ever, from that, 107 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: I grew into a man stationed over in Korea for 108 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: a year and a half as a teenager. When I 109 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: came back, I decided I wanted to go to college. 110 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: I went to college at Northwestern State University. I joined 111 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: an RTC program. I got commissioned as a second lieutenant. 112 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: After three and a half years in the Army, I 113 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: graduated and I was sit to Fort Benning, Georgia home 114 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: with the Infantry. Completed a few schools there, Airborne school 115 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: infratuy Offster, basic course, a giant f County School of 116 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: Special Warfare, few terrorism schools, and assigned in Special Operations Command. 117 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe my life how within a short almost 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: ten year period had really changed based on the opportunities 119 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: that the military had provided me. Around nineteen ninety eleven 120 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: years later, I joined the police Department and Prince Georgia's 121 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: and ultimately after nine to eleven, based on my background, 122 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: I was selected to be a deputy director of Hoopman 123 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: Security for Prince George's County. And I was just willing 124 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: to do what it took to accompass whatever was before me. 125 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: It's an amazing story. I mean, you transcended and triumphed 126 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: over it tough circumstances. I'm not a strong enough way 127 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: of saying it. I mean, and you ended up giving 128 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: back as well, teering at the Cane River Children's Home. 129 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really inspiring and it should have played 130 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: out in the way that you deserve, which was to 131 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: go on and have a happy, productive life and ultimately, 132 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, retire and have a bunch of grandchildren maybe 133 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: and then you know, play some golf whatever. And then, 134 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: of course, as we know, and as Marty knows intimately 135 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: as well, everything can change in a second. And so 136 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: it did on January twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. Marty, 137 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: Can you take us through what happened that awful night? 138 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: Sure? 139 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely so. To put it simply, Keith defended himself, his 140 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: wife and daughter, and tragically, instead of being labeled a hero, 141 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: he was treated like a criminal. To walk you through 142 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: what happened that day, Keith had taken the day all 143 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 4: from work to accept a furniture delivery from Marlow Furniture, 144 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: and he was home with his wife, Stacey and his 145 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: very young daughter Kayla. The day passed, still no furniture. 146 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 4: He called Marlowe. They assured him that the delivery would 147 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: arrive that night. Finally, during dinner, delivery men Brandon Clark 148 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 4: and Robert White arrived. These are furniture movers, some really 149 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: big guys. And it's a misnomer to call Robert White 150 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 4: a furniture mover to begin with, because he wasn't even 151 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: employed by Marla Fernture at all. Instead, he was Brandon 152 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 4: Clark's cousin. But the appearance was at that time he 153 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 4: worked for Mala. Furniture delivery was meant for the master 154 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: bedroom of the first floor, and at some point Keith 155 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 4: recognized that one of the men, Robert White, is not 156 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: with him anymore. And Keith was there and he can 157 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 4: give you more of the details. 158 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: Brandon Clark was distracting me while Robert White was in 159 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: my daughter's bedroom. I could hear the squeaking floorboards in 160 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: my daughter's bedroom because I know the sound of my house. 161 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 3: And I asked the guy, said where's your friend? And 162 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: he wouldn't answer, you know, he just kept giving me 163 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: a frivolous answer and tried to brush me off, And 164 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: so I look and I see him poke his head 165 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: out of my daughter's bedroom, and I said, what are 166 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: you doing in there? Come out of there? That way 167 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: comes out. So I walked toward him. I said, hey, 168 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: leave my house. You guys, get out of my house. 169 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: And as I got close enough to him, the other 170 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: guy punched me in the back of the head, and 171 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: then White attacked me from the side. So I'm fighting 172 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: two guys in my house, complete strangers, within three minutes 173 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: of entering my house. You know. We were on the ground, 174 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: on the floor, I should say, and the guy, Clark 175 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: was kicking me while I was on the floor. Clark 176 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: six foot eight, three hundred and thirty pounds and Robert 177 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: White six foot two, two hundred and eighty pounds, and 178 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: I'm five nine five, So he's attacking me like kicking me. 179 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: I pulled my service revolver, I fired, and I struck 180 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: both of them. The assault seased. Later Clark died and 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: Robert White lived. 182 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: And as I think about this story, and as a 183 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: father myself, I mean, and I think everybody can relate 184 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: to this. You would do anything to protect your kids, 185 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: We all would. And I'm trying to put myself in 186 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: your shoes at that moment, you're being brutally viciously attacked 187 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: right there in your own home, and your wife and 188 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: young daughter are right downstairs. These two men are beating 189 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: you like and they're winning because you had no shots. Combined, 190 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: they weighed four times as much as you did, and 191 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: they kicked you so hard that your watch broke, it 192 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: flew off of your wrist. I mean, this is a 193 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: life and death situation, and you had a grim choice 194 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: to make. Am I getting this right? 195 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: No, you're right. Listen, My wife and my six year 196 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: old daughter were home, and I knew that if I 197 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: didn't survive, who knows what would have happened it end. 198 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: Five minutes earlier, we were having dinner and just sitting around, 199 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: laughing and joking. And five minutes later, I'm wrestling two 200 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: strangers fighting two strangers on the floor in my own home. 201 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: That's how quickly this thing unfolded. I mean, it's a 202 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: heroine thought, but you're a drilline kicks in and you 203 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: do what you gotta do. 204 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: This episode is underwritten by AIG, a leading global insurance company, 205 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: and by Accentsure, a global professional services company with leading 206 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: capabilities in digital, cloud and security. Working to reform the 207 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: criminal justice system. 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Eventually everyone's taken to the hospital. 216 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: What happened nowt. 217 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: So when they got to the hospital that night, I 218 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: guess about fifteen to twenty cops were there, Alan, the 219 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: detectives in charge of Homicide Division, and they were trying 220 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: to interview Robert White, and White played at the fifth amendment. 221 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: He refused to talk to the police, He refused to 222 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: give a statement, He refused to say what happened. Subsequently, 223 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: what we found out is that he did not work 224 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: for the French and delivery company and that he was 225 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: picked up on the side of the road by Clark 226 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: and brought to my house. Alan. A couple of other houses. 227 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: For the best I can tell, other people have said 228 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: that they were casing houses. White has several burglary convictions 229 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 3: and several convictions for fencing stolen property. So anyway, the 230 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: state's attorney was aware of all that information. Also, mister White, 231 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: as I said, pled the fifth and the state's attorney 232 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: in charge of the case, Glenn Ivy, informed the two 233 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: detectives at the hospital not to arrest Robert White under 234 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: any circumstances, out of the blue. That they had never 235 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: seen a sitting state's attorney, a sitting prosecutor come to 236 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: the hospital and till the police not to arrest a 237 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: career criminal, a suspect in a shooting, in an assault, 238 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: and they could leave, which they did after he informed 239 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: them that they were not to interview mister White or 240 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: even talk to him. 241 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: It's so so bizarre, I mean, because obviously Robert White 242 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: had a lot to gain, first by his silence and 243 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: then by lying, because if Keith was not guilty, then 244 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: he and Brandon Clarke were, which wouldn't be hard to 245 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: believe with White's twelve that's twelve previous convictions including assault 246 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: and battery, unlawful entry, larceny, grand largity, receiving stolen goods, 247 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: attempted third degree burglary, first degree burglary, pointing a firearm, 248 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: domestic violence, and first degree sexual assault, for which he 249 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: had served ten years. He also had over twenty additional 250 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: arrests for crimes ranging from peeping tom to attempted murder, 251 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: but the state's attorney, Glen Ivy, who eventually ran for Congress, 252 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: purposefully turned a blind eye to all of that and 253 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: instead focused on Keith. 254 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 4: They've trying to dig something up that they could use 255 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 4: against Keith, analyzing DNA fiber transfer, gunshot residue, spenshell, casing's 256 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: telephone records, nine one one, coal, and so much more. 257 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: All of the evidents, of course, didn't show them what 258 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 4: they were looking for, But what it did show was 259 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 4: that Keith had acted in self defense and Heath never 260 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 4: should have been charged. 261 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: And then, despite the clear nature of this incident, twelve 262 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: time convicted felon Robert White's flow of inconsistent statements, let 263 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: me rephraise that Robert White's flow of total bullshit went 264 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: totally unchecked. So they're just ignoring this career criminal who's 265 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: a real menace to society. And then here comes the kicker. 266 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: Robert White filed a civil action against you, Keith and 267 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Prince George's county, seeking ready four hundred million dollars in 268 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: damages arising out of the shooting. 269 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: Wow. 270 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: It was dismissed, surprise, surprise, but not before garnering a 271 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: serious amount of media coverage. It also comes out later 272 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: that someone else had filed that hand fisted civil action 273 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: on White's behalf, perhaps someone who maybe wanted to draw 274 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: a ton of media coverage, like a person who wanted 275 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: to show what a bulwark of justice they were by 276 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: holding a decorated veteran law enforcement officer and Homeland security 277 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: official to account for what was alleged to be an 278 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: unjustified shooting. And by the way, if it were the 279 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: case that this was some trigger happy cop, I'd be 280 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: the first one to say justice should be applied equally. 281 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: But that's just not what this was, and they fucking 282 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: knew it. So this media attention ramps up to public pressure, 283 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: and the prosecution is aiming to score big political points 284 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: and advance their careers if they bring home the win. 285 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: And that's not me editorializing. Both prosecutors were overheard saying 286 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: things to that effect. And I'm talking about prosecutors Joseph 287 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: Wright and William Moumu, who had all the information and 288 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: evidence proving Keith's use of self defense, and yet they 289 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: still argued that the shootings were unprovoked and unjustified. The 290 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: state allowed Robert White to create his own version of events, 291 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: where Keith was unattacked, unprovoked, where you hadn't been stomped 292 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: on and kicked, where you hadn't exhausted all other options 293 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: before pulling out your service revolver. They used this testimony 294 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: that changed every time White recounted the incident, every time Keith, 295 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: Can you take us through some of the evidence that 296 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: should have ended this prosecution before it started. 297 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: They had the evidence. The lead investigator, Lieutenant Charlie Walls, 298 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: briefed them. He had the DNA evidence, the gunshot residue evidence, 299 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: the trace fiber evidence from the clothing. They said they 300 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 3: never touched me. Well, I said he was kicking me. 301 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: I was on the ground, He's kicking me. My shot him. 302 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: The clothing fiber evidence showed the fibers from my shirt 303 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: invest on his pants lid. So they had that evidence 304 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: that contradicted his statement. They had the gunshot residue. He 305 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 3: said that they were shot from across the room. The 306 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: gunshot residue test done by the ATF shure that he 307 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: was shot from three inches away three to twelve inches. 308 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: He said he shot from across the room. They reasured 309 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 3: the room and a minimum of eight feet which wouldn't 310 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: have left any gunshot resident. He said he called my house. 311 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: They had the phone records. They showed he never called 312 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: my house before they arrived. They said that he was 313 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: a delivery man for Marl's Furniture. Marlow's Furniture had given 314 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 3: them a statement the human resources director, Miss Kila Ross 315 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 3: that not only does he not work for them, that 316 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: they've never heard of him or never seen him, and 317 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 3: that Marvels would never hire sex offenders to work on 318 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 3: their delivery trucks because their insurance wouldn't cover. They had 319 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 3: the toxicology report that showed that he was on cocaine. 320 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: The two sets attorneys denied that the toxicology test was 321 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: ever even given on Robert White. They proffered to the court, 322 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: to the jury, and to the general public that he 323 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: was an employ of Marvel's Furniture, that he was not 324 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: a rest of sex offinity. All of these things in 325 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 3: Moore happened in my trial by these two prosecutors. 326 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a litany of hers. 327 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 3: Right. 328 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: We have a prosecution team that is hell bent on 329 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: convicting an innocent man while protecting a guilty one, and 330 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: they had all of the evidence pointing to Keith's version 331 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: of the events, clearly contradicting what Robert White testified to. 332 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: White maintained that neither he nor Clark were close enough 333 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: to Keith to assault him when he shot them. Now, 334 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: we've mentioned the gunshot residue and what that meant, but 335 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: also White's DNA was found on Keith's gun, Clark's pifibers 336 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: were found on Keith's vest from when he was kicking him. 337 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: Neither of these things can happen from across the freaking room. 338 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 4: None of the spens shell casings recovered by technicians were 339 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: located even near the master bedroom, where Robert White said 340 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 4: Keith was allegedly standing when he shot them. Instead, the 341 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: casings were recovered from the middle of the ulpsters hallway 342 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 4: and whole bathroom, where Keith and States had maintained the 343 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 4: aultcation had taken. 344 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Place, But the prosecution doubled down on the lie. Listen 345 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: to this. The prosecutors made thirty one false and misleading 346 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: statements throughout the trial that were objected to and sustained. 347 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: These were obviously meant to intentionally mislead throw off the jurors. 348 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: There were nine objections to statements made by prosecutor Joseph 349 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: Wright during his closing argument alone, including that Robert White 350 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: had only one conviction and that there was no cocaine 351 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: test given to Robert White. These were just straight up lies. 352 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: His criminal record and toxicology report were absolutely available, yet 353 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: the jury was not made aware of them. This is 354 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: just so nuts, it's so wrong. White had denied under 355 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: oath to the grand jury about being a sex offender, 356 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: which the prosecutors allowed him to do. The state's attorney 357 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: in charge of the case knew all of this. The prosecutor, 358 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: William Mumou later said, he said, we put Robert White 359 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: on the stand. He was a witness of ours. But 360 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: you'll never see me standing in front of a jury 361 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: saying that this witness says the truth. 362 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: Wow. 363 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: Are you fucking getting me with this shit? Wow? And certainly, 364 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: if the jury would have learned those things, it would 365 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: have had a real impact on the outcome of the trial. 366 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: But they didn't get to know these things. They weren't presented, 367 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: and these jurors were not mind readers. So for all 368 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: the jury knew Robert White and Brandon Clark, which is 369 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: two humble furniture delivery men who had the misfortune of 370 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: walking to the home of a trigger happy cop, a 371 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: trigger happy cop who had never used his gun before, 372 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: by the way, so let's not leave that out. And 373 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: on February thirteenth, two thousand and eight, clearly the prosecution's 374 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: lies and manipulations worked. The jury found you guilty, Keith. 375 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: And what was that very moment, like, I mean when 376 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: you when you heard the word guilty and then when 377 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: they sentence you to over two times the maximum sentence. 378 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: As it relates to the moment the jury came back 379 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: with the conviction. I watched my wife cry, I watched 380 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: my daughter cry. The guy put handcuffs on me. I 381 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: watched my sister cry. I watched a lot of friends 382 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: and relatives, you know, I felt bad for them. The 383 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 3: pre senced investigation came back with a minimum of five 384 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: years in a maximum of twenty years, and the judge 385 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: gave me a forty five year sentence. He went over 386 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 3: one hundred percent past the maximum sentence that was recommended, 387 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 3: and he went over nine hundred percent passed the minimum 388 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 3: sentence that was recommended, which was five years. And I 389 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 3: don't think anyone's ever receeen the forty five year sentence 390 00:21:45,000 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: for involuntary manslom. In prison, you're either a warl four sheep, 391 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 3: especially in the maximum security state prison. And so the fights, 392 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: the stabbings, the gangs, the deaths, the atrocious conditions, the 393 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: mental stress, the anxiety, you name it, and you know, 394 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: no matter what happens to me, I'm fine with what 395 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: happens to me. But I knew that my family was 396 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: gonna go through the fire with me, because when a 397 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 3: family member goes to prison, you know, in actuality, the 398 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: whole family goes to prison. Their life stops too. It 399 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: was my family that suffered. Listen. It was the worst 400 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: feeling I'd ever had, and I knew that I was 401 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 3: gonna fight like hell and get it out of prison. 402 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 3: Every minute, every second, every hour, every day that I 403 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: was just gonna fight. I didn't know anything else to do. 404 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: I was gonna work on my case I had twelve 405 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 3: volumes of transcripts, and so I talk to my wife 406 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: on the phone every day for about two years. I 407 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: would dictate Robert White's testimony to her over the phone 408 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: and she would type it. I would sit up at 409 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: night and go over his testimony, all the contradicting statements 410 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 3: and put them together out of those twelve volumes, which 411 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: was about almost twenty five hundred pages. And then we 412 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: put up a website after about two years of doing that, 413 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: because I wanted transparency in the case, to show people 414 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: that everything they said was false and that it was 415 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: intentionally false. There's two attorneys in the case, William MoU 416 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: Mal and Joseph Wright. We found out nine months after 417 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: my conviction they had hidden just tons of evidence and 418 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 3: lie about the evidence that their own witnesses, their own 419 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: state experts, had collected and given to them. Numerous people, 420 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: including states attorneys other prosecutors in that office, came forward 421 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: with statements that they had told their boss, Hey, they 422 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: falsified the evidence in mister Washington's case. They willingly manipulated, lied, 423 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 3: falsified the evidence, and that mister White is not telling 424 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 3: the truth on any of the issues. According to the physical, forensic, 425 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: and the scientific evidence. Mister Ivy, he told my wife 426 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: that I got a raw deal, but he told her 427 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: privately that there was nothing he would do because it 428 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: would affect his wife's political career with the time was 429 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 3: a state. 430 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: Delegate, Jesus Christ. And to add another insult to injury, 431 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: after you were wrongfully convicted, Robert White was arrested on 432 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: two more occasions for breaking into the homes of two 433 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: different women and physically assaulting both of them, which should 434 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: outrage all of us. These other incidents didn't have to happen, 435 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't have happened. They had a guy who 436 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: you think that anyone in their position right should want 437 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: off the street, anyone would want him off the street, 438 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: but instead they chose you. I mean, why was doing 439 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: what they were supposed to do? Just not a cool 440 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: enough story? I mean, do you have any theories at 441 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: all on this? 442 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: Well, as near as we can tell, and I believe 443 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 3: we can factually prove and provide to the current States 444 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: Attorney that we have several officers of the court who 445 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: called my family and spoken with my family and they've 446 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 3: illuminated the moat for this case where mister Wright allegedly 447 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: bragged to several other attorneys where he and mister Moonmou 448 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 3: were promised for bringing back a conviction. Mister Wright was 449 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: promised a political endorsement to run for State's Attorney by 450 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: his boss, and that mister Mouvemou was promised to judge ship. 451 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: This is according to their colleagues in their very own office, 452 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: that mister Wright was bragging it he was going to 453 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: be the next States Attorney and he had to deliver 454 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 3: the Keith Washington conviction to do that. That his boss, 455 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: mister Ivy, used the case to run for Congress in 456 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 3: twenty ten, and that he was using this case as 457 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 3: he was tough on police corruption, and he ran for 458 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: Congress on that issue, using my case specifically. And he 459 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 3: even went to the police academy and spoke to numerous people, 460 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: including the cadets in the police academy about my case 461 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: in police corruption and used me as a whipping boy 462 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: while I was in prison. And so he ran in 463 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: twenty ten for Congress, he didn't win. He lost the primary. 464 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 3: Joseph Wright ran for State's Attorney in twenty ten, he 465 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: also lost, and Williamumou put in for his judge ship 466 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 3: and didn't get it. Now, a new administration came into 467 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: office in twenty ten, and so mister Ivy had to 468 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: fulfill his promises to those two guys, and he subsequently 469 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 3: got Mumau a job as an assistant US attorney. He 470 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 3: didn't get him his judge ship, but he got him 471 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: a job as assistant US attorney from what I'm told, 472 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: And they had mister Mumau's raise. An a States attorney 473 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 3: in Prince Rose's County made about fifty five thousand dollars 474 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 3: a year. I'm assuming assistant US attney makes about one 475 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: ten or one twenty somewhere around there as a GS 476 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: twelve or so there's a significant raise. And mister Wright 477 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: was given a judge ship in twenty ten, so his 478 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: salary went from fifty five thousand to about one point forty. 479 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: Holy actual fuck. I mean you're hearing this from the 480 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: people immediately around them who were directly involved in the case. 481 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: What about the investigators. I mean, they obviously knew that 482 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: this case was built on bullshitting lies as well, right. 483 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 3: Well, the lead investigator, Lieutenant Walls, he put on the 484 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: record that he attended at least three meetings where the 485 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 3: whole conversation between him and mister Wright and mister mumou 486 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 3: that all they talked about was falsifying the evidence before 487 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: the trial. Mister Wall says he wouldn't go along with it. 488 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 3: After the meeting, Joseph Wright fired him from the case 489 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: and told him to turn over his case files and 490 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: they have no further contact with the case. After he 491 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 3: had collected the DNA, he had collected the gunshot residue, 492 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: Walls had collected the statements of individuals and homeowners who 493 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 3: had saw injuries on me Later, the State's Attorney's office 494 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 3: came to him and offered him a job as an 495 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 3: investigator and said Attorney's Office that he could retire from 496 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: the police department, draw his pension, and come work for them, 497 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 3: Come work for the very people who just fired him 498 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 3: from the case. Wall says that he put in his 499 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: paperwork to retire from the police department and came back 500 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 3: and worked for the States Attorney's Office as an investigator, 501 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: obviously with a significant raise. And can draw your own conclusions, 502 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 3: but I would say it appears to be hush money, 503 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: And walso said it he'll tell anybody what actually happened 504 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 3: if he's subpoena and those questions. Another bit of good 505 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: news is that mister Wright is no longer a judge, 506 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 3: that he was convicted in twenty eighteen of perjury and 507 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 3: falsifying government documents by the Maryland Judicial Disability Board that 508 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: was clearly people with blind ambition winning a lie cheater 509 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: steal involved in my case. 510 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: Marty, in twenty twenty, your amazing students in the Making 511 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: Axannery program there at Georgetown investigated Keith's case and made 512 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: a brilliant short documentary about it, and we're going to 513 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: make sure to include a link for that in the bio. 514 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: And their hard work has made such a phenomenal impact 515 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: on this case and so many others. So, Marty, if 516 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: you could just summarize for us how it is that 517 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: Keith is sitting here with us on the show today. 518 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 4: After extensive litigation, a retired judge was brought on to 519 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 4: review Keith's entire matter. On May fourteenth of twenty twenty one, 520 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 4: everyone got together and a hearing for a modification of 521 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 4: Keith's sentence was conducted. Based on the totality of everything 522 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 4: at that time, and it almost broke it down to 523 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 4: time served within a few short weeks after the judge 524 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 4: issuing that opinion, Keith was freed. I was there when 525 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 4: Keith walked out. Keith, where were you an hour and 526 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: a half ago? And where are you right now? 527 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: An hour and a half ago. I was in an 528 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: apartment correction space had to free and now a home with. 529 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 4: My family And how's the field? States and Cale, I 530 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 4: have your husband and your dad home. It feels great. 531 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: It feels like I've been waiting on this for thirteen years. 532 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: And that right there is the sound of Keith freed 533 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: from prison, finally back with his family at his home. 534 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: It's it's a beautiful sound. 535 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 4: We sat around in his backyard and we had pizza 536 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 4: and lemonade and enjoying the f share and we were 537 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 4: just sitting there talking and at one point we kind 538 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 4: of just looked at each other like, was this real? 539 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 4: You're trying to fathom the reality that Keith had just 540 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: spent over thirteen years in prison and here we were 541 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 4: sitting in his backyard. There wasn't a bitterness about Keith, 542 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: about Stacy, you know, there was pure love and joy. 543 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 4: Keith and Stacy have said to myself, Mark and the 544 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 4: students who worked on Keith's case that if we're ever 545 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 4: in the neighborhood and we don't stop by, they'll be 546 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: offended because we are family to them. And I think 547 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 4: that is something that just demonstrates who Keith and Stacy are. 548 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 4: They are just truly genuine people. Their love is probably 549 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 4: stronger than ever. But even though Keith is free, the intentional, 550 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 4: wrongful conviction is still hanging over Keith's head, which it 551 00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 4: shouldn't be. 552 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and Keith, there's been news both a really long 553 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: time ago as well as more recently that should have 554 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: a positive effect I'm bringing about justice in your case. 555 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: We already mentioned that Robert White, just weeks after your 556 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: trial was arrested not once, but twice for breaking into 557 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: homes and physically assaulting two women. And then there's been 558 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: some more recent news. 559 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: A district court commissioner here in Maryland issued an arrest 560 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 3: warrant for Robert White for perjury in my criminal trial. Wow, 561 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: so there's a rest warrant out for him as we speak. 562 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: So hopefully this will facilitate the case being overturned. And 563 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 3: so now honest and reasonable and ethical people who are 564 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: reviewing the case and looking at it can see that 565 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 3: because there's no good explanation, legally or otherwise as to 566 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: how this happened. The current ST's attorney, Miss Brave Boy, 567 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: she reviewed the evidence and she saw that, hey, this 568 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: is an excessive sentence, to say the least, notwithstanding that 569 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 3: there are other issues as it relates to an integrity 570 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: of mister Washington's conviction. And so we believe they're going 571 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 3: to do the right thing. Shortly, you know, we'll turn it. 572 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: Due to the fact that mister White now has been 573 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: charged with perjury in my case, we can only be 574 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 3: hopeful that justice will prevail in an expeditious manner because 575 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 3: it's been thirteen years. 576 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think justice is coming in your case. I'm 577 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: glad we're able to get the word out about it 578 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: through this podcast. We're going to be shouting it from 579 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: the rooftops. You've got an incredible team now, so I'm 580 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: sure many of our listeners are feeling the same way. 581 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm feeling that this is outrageous even by the standards 582 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: of what we're used to hearing on the show, and 583 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: that they want to help if they can. Is there 584 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: a way that people can get involved? 585 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 2: What can people do? 586 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: And we'll link whatever it is in the bio, so 587 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: people can easily find it. 588 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 4: A few things the listeners can do is demand that 589 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: I use your brave Boy, meet with us and vindicate 590 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 4: keithan dismissed his conviction. I think people can support the 591 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 4: making an axionary program and anything Heith needs, because one 592 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 4: thing that I think we as a society fail to 593 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 4: really address and understand is that each year, innocent men 594 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 4: and women get released from prison by exoneration and they 595 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 4: connect with nothing. In many cases, there is literally no 596 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 4: programs available that help individuals reacclimate. If not for the 597 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 4: grace of God that some of those people that get 598 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 4: out have family and friends, I don't know what those 599 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 4: men and women would do. Imagine being locked up for 600 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 4: fifteen twenty years coming out and having nothing, no underwear, 601 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 4: no soap, no shampoo, no toothbrushes, no toothpaste. And I 602 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 4: think we as a society can do more. I think 603 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 4: the corporations of America can do more. Thankfully, Keith does 604 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 4: have an amazing wife and daughter, but not everyone is 605 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 4: lucky and fortunate to have that. 606 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 3: Well, I would ask people to go to the one 607 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 3: Innocentman dot org website and familiarize himself with the case 608 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 3: and the evidence and the facts, and as Marty said, 609 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 3: to call missus Brave Boy's office hand Upper Marlborough, Maryland 610 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 3: and implore her to go ahead and overturn the case. 611 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 3: The other thing, if you would, we'd like to give 612 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 3: Georgetown all the kudos that they deserve because they're doing 613 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: great work. Whatever we can do to support them, that's 614 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 3: what we're going to do. 615 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 4: On Keith's page one instant dot org, which was created 616 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 4: by the three students at Georgetown, there is a donate 617 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 4: button which links directly to Keith's go fundme page. Who 618 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 4: are the three students that worked on your case and 619 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 4: created the website? Because I know they are part of 620 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 4: your family. 621 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 3: Josh, Selene and Trevor. 622 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: All Right, Josh, Selene and Trevor shout out from the 623 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction team and from the man himself or the 624 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: two men themselves and me doing the great work. I'm 625 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: really proud of all the kids in the Making Zannery program. 626 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: It's been a privilege for me to work with them 627 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: and lecture at the school and stuff. So with that, 628 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: we will now turn to the closing of the show, 629 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: which is called closing Arguments, And this is the part 630 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: of the show that I always look forward to. First 631 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: of all, thank you again Keith for your courage, for 632 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: your service, for being here with us to share your 633 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: incredible story. And of course, Marty Tank Live. What can 634 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: I say, Man, you just never cease to amaze me, 635 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: and I'm so proud to call you my friend, and 636 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: I really appreciate both of you being here. And now 637 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: closing arguments works like this. I turned my microphone off, 638 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: kick back in my chair, close my eyes, and just 639 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: listen to any final thoughts that you want to share. Marty, 640 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: Let's start with you and save Keith for the closing 641 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: of the closing arguments. 642 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 4: So for me, it's remarkable that I think back to 643 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 4: when I was sitting in the prison my self, serving 644 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 4: fifty years to life, and finally in two thousand and seven, 645 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 4: I was freed. And now it's twenty twenty one and 646 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 4: here I am an attorney after a professor at Georgetown 647 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 4: and to our law school, and I get to have 648 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 4: the opportunity to pay it forward and give people back 649 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 4: their lives. I thank Jason and I think the entire 650 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 4: Wrongful Deviction Team because it makes people understand the criminal 651 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 4: justice system in ways that people don't want to believe exist. 652 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 4: We wouldn't fully grasp how many problems our system has. 653 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 4: And Jason has been a blessing for the making an 654 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 4: exiguary program at Georgetown, and for that we are grateful. 655 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,959 Speaker 4: And I would be remiss if I didn't say thank 656 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 4: you Mark, who's my partner in doing this at Georgetown, 657 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 4: Because with Mark and our amazing students, we are making 658 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 4: a difference in people's lives, and I think it's the 659 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 4: best thing that you can actually do. I'm always reminded 660 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 4: by something that Joseph Flahm told Jason Flahm, and that's 661 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 4: do something you love that leaves a lasting impression and 662 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 4: makes a difference. And if helping students get somebody out 663 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 4: of prison doesn't fulfill that mantra, not really sure what does. 664 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 3: Keith. I learned a long time ago that we all 665 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 3: have our crosses to bear. We all go through difficult times. 666 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 3: We're all based on certainty in our future. We all 667 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 3: fight for a better life for ourselves and our family, 668 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 3: and we all been hurt and wounded and abandoned. But 669 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,439 Speaker 3: you can't give up. And I would tell people never 670 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 3: give up. You're only facing a challenge in your life 671 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 3: that other men have met, and so be of good courage, 672 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 3: be strong of character, and of will, have faith, do 673 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 3: what you must, love your family, love your life, beautify 674 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 3: your life. When people take your faith, they've really taken 675 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 3: everything that you possess. When they take your courage, they've 676 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: taken everything that you possess. So without faith and courage, 677 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 3: you're just an empty vessel. All I want to leave 678 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 3: people with is to know that there are people of 679 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 3: goodwill out there. There are people who are just, who 680 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 3: are honest, There are people who have integrity. There are 681 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 3: people who will fight for you because they believe in 682 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 3: what's right, and I want to applaud those people. We 683 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 3: are kindred spirits, and so wherever you find a person 684 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 3: like that, support them. Believe that they're going to support 685 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 3: you if I can help anyone, because I've been helped 686 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 3: in my life, this has taught me a valuable lesson. 687 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,959 Speaker 3: No matter what myself and my family have gone through, 688 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 3: we want to be a light to others. I appreciate 689 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 3: everything that people at Georgetown have done Marty Mark Selene, 690 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 3: Josh Trevor. I appreciate the exoneration program. Listen, I appreciate you, Jason. 691 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate your podcast. I just want to leave the 692 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 3: people who are listening to your program with something to 693 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 3: think about. You are what makes this country great, all 694 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 3: of us, and so if there's a deficit somewhere, it's 695 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 3: up to us to fix it no matter where we 696 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 3: find it, and try to leave a better place, a 697 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 3: better country, a better society for the next generation. My 698 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 3: wounds will heal, and so we'll use this as a 699 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 3: lesson to be remembered and learned, and we're going to 700 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 3: build from there. I thank you guys for the platform. 701 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 3: I thank you for supporting our calls, and we'll see 702 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 3: you around the water cooler. 703 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Ronal for Conviction. 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