1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn. Now we 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: need people's help with this, right we're trying to get 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: to seven thousand subscribers. Okay, we got past six, but 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Aja presents. He said that he would send us all 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: cupcakes if we could. 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Get to seven k. 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: So reach out, hit that subscribe button and help us 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: get cupcakes. 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: Let's just get there so we don't have to hear 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: that anymore. Right, let's get to seven. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 4: So we come on to seven. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 3: You won't ask for. 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: Eight, eight, nine. I do what I'm told, all right, 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: they tell me that, let's get to. 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 4: Don't tell yourself, Jim, You're every worth of ten thousand followers. 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've a yeah. Well that's. 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: So. 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: Whatever's going on at spring training right now? 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Who's in left field right or who's got the kickchains 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: that they're going to show this year? But it kind 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: of seems like small, small potatoes, right compared to what 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: may be coming at the end of this season. The 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement expires, and shocking news this week is 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: Players Union Executive director Tony Clark abruptly resigned, allegedly after 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: an internal investigation revealed he was having an inappropriate relationship 27 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: with his sister in law, among other things. Gross Bruce 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: Meyer was like the interim executive director, So gentlemen. Aside 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: from the personal details, Gross, no one knows what all 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: the facts are. There's a lot more to it, because 31 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: ten months or so from now, the players Union and 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: the owners could be having the battle of all battles 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: over getting. 34 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: A collective bargaining agreement in place. 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm like question to you, I'll start with you last, 36 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: because your headphones look extra snappy today. How at all 37 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: does this impact the Players Union? When Tony Clark gets 38 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: suddenly gone and do you have another guy replacing him 39 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: on an interim basis, does this have impact? 40 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 4: I mean, technically you're losing the guy who talks to 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 4: the media for you. That's pretty much it in the 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: way I see it, Bruce, all of the lawyers and 43 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 4: everybody that would have been doing the negotiation and been 44 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 4: doing all the heavy lifting, all the you know, the 45 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: dirty work of going through all the proposals and in 46 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 4: the past and stuff like that are still there. Now 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 4: Bruce gets a you know, bigger seat at the table, 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 4: I guess where he's talking more directly, But as Kyle 49 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 4: and I know, on any call we've ever been on 50 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: with the PA, or any meeting we've ever been at, 51 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 4: Bruce has been there, and Bruce has spoken, and Bruce 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 4: has been one of the main people we talked to. 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: So when it comes to negotiations or player relations and 54 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: anything like that, nothing really changes. You already have the 55 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: plan in place, you already you have already talked to 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: the players the last three to four years building into this. 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 4: Everybody's seen this coming. Manford is not, you know, hidden 58 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 4: the fact that this is what they're gonna do. He's 59 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: already told them, told everybody we want to, we want to, 60 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 4: we want to cap, and we're going to lock you out. 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: That's already there, so get ready for that. So nothing's 62 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 4: going to change in that boat. We've got our lead 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: negotiator who's now the inner room head. So now our 64 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: inn room head is going to be the lead negotiator 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 4: at the same time. So that's gonna be that's going 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: to be the only change. And you don't have Tony 67 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: Clark talking to the media about negotiations that he wasn't 68 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: in the room for that's pretty much it. 69 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Because because Tony Clark seemed like the bulldog for the players. 70 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: Tell me, do you do you agree with Lance that 71 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: this will have He's basically saying. 72 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: Zero with bet. 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think MLB will try to 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: use this against the players and then we'll try to, 75 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: you know, somehow frame a fracture or frame you know, 76 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: whatever they want to frame to to see if they 77 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: can get the players to break up. But I think 78 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: Lance's is fairly spot on. You know, I got to 79 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: know Tony well, and I think with the media there 80 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: were things that he did well and there were things 81 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 3: that he probably could have done a little bit better. 82 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: That's probably all of us. But I think he was 83 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: in a unique situation where as a former player, he 84 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: had seen quite a few negotiations on CBA, so he 85 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: could speak from a unique perspective in that regard. But 86 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: like Lance said, you know, Bruce has been the lead 87 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: negotiator and handling those situations with with the MLB side 88 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: for you know, I think a couple of cycles. So 89 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: I think, sure, it's unfortunate for the scrutiny to be 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: coming out right now in spring training and this to 91 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: be the story. But I mean, I still think in 92 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: ten months, if that's what MLB wants to bring up, 93 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: I think they're probably going to be focusing on the 94 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: wrong thing, and that's probably a good thing for the 95 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: for the players association of that is how MLB wants 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: to scrutinize players. It'll be really interesting, I think to 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: me over the next six seven months to hear MLB 98 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: talk about when attendance is up and viewership is up 99 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: and the games in a strong state, then to talk 100 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: about major changes. Because we've gone over this, I think 101 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: major changes are very interesting to bring up in the 102 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: state of the gamehou it is right now with it 103 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: being so strong and things going well. But you know, 104 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: we've talked about competitive side, we've talked about what the 105 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: salary cap can try to bring, but who knows what 106 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: their end goal is other than cost certainty and in 107 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: their mind, competitive balance, which they're supposed to fix with 108 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: the competitive balance tax. I don't understand what all they're 109 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: trying to accomplish, but who knows. I think on the 110 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: player side, though, in the interims, in the interim time, 111 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: brust will be fine and the players are be able 112 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: to move forward. 113 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: So from what you hear from the owner side is 114 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: salary cap is sort of not coming off the table? 115 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 2: What do you hear on lance? 116 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 4: I mean, that's their main their main thing. The question 117 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 4: is is is salary cap what they're going to what 118 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: they're really after? Right? You know they would love that. 119 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 4: They've been talking about wanting for years and the players 120 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: have for years to say that's not what we're about. 121 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 4: So the question is, what's the next phase of things. 122 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 4: Do they want to eliminate for the players, whether it's oh, 123 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 4: we want to put a cap on international signing, Do 124 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: we want to have an international draft uh instead of 125 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 4: the cap, or do you know whatever their their bonus 126 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 4: bull is now so they put a draft on it. 127 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: Are they going to make the draft smaller? Or are they 128 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: going to eliminate minor league teams? Are they going to 129 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 4: go after you know, different years of control and stuff 130 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 4: like that to try to get you to think that 131 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: cap systems the best way to go. But when we 132 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 4: keep talking about this cap system, not one time as 133 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: anyone talked about the floor. You can't have a cap 134 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 4: until you know what the floor is, and the floor 135 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: can't be below one hundred million dollars and you're going 136 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: to have ten to twelve teams that have to come up, 137 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 4: where you're only going to have to have what four 138 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 4: teams come down. So I'm anxious to see these mid market, 139 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: small market teams have to spend one hundred and fifty 140 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: plus million dollars because it's part of the cap. Like 141 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 4: the NBA and then fl they have to be above 142 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 4: a certain cap number compared to whatever the cap is, 143 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: or a floor number to hit the to be what 144 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: the cap is. So they've not negotiated any of those 145 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: or talked about any of those. They've not talked about 146 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: getting a free agency faster like other leagues. They've not 147 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 4: talked about minimums being higher like other leagus league, so 148 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: they've not talked about any of these things that other 149 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 4: league have that have cap systems that they are have 150 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 4: been devaluing players in the baseball world for years. So 151 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: I'm anxious to see what they're able to, what they're 152 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 4: what they really want and or what they're able to 153 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 4: really let go of player control. When you get drafted, 154 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 4: you have what four years so you can be on 155 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: a roster, then you have three more years of options, 156 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 4: and then you have three more years till your arbitration 157 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 4: three more years till you can get the free agency. 158 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: It's a lot of control they're gonna have to give 159 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 4: up for a cap. 160 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: So competitive balance parody is the goal of the owners. 161 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: And Kyle Gibson up over the many episodes, has accused 162 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: me of not being prepared. But Kyle, as I would call, 163 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: you're saying, look at the parody and look at the. 164 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: Balance MLB has. So I have those champions last ten seasons. 165 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: MLB is at seven different champions NFL six finals, last 166 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: ten seasons MLB. This is final round, not the championship. 167 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: MLB thirteen, NFL nine. So it looks like parody's there. 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: But Kyle, what would you like to see? You're a 169 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: level headed guy and suddenly you're an advisor, you have 170 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: no skeletons and you don't know skeletons in your plast 171 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: as far as I know, And they go, Kyle, what 172 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: should we do? 173 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: Help us with this? And then the last glance. 174 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: To first thing. I don't think for a minute that 175 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: they are just worried about competitive bounds. Okay, that is 176 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: not that's the trojan horse that this salary CAP's gonna 177 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 3: ride in. All right, this is I just don't because 178 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: I don't believe there's a problem there. We're talking about 179 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: just now, a salary cap. The Yankees won four out 180 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: of five World Series just twenty years ago and nobody 181 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: said anything. All right, So here we are. We get 182 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: one repeat champion for the first time in twenty five years, 183 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: and the salary cap talk is so necessary. All right. So, 184 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: like you said, there's so much parody, But who makes 185 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: the playoffs, who makes the Championship series, who makes the 186 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 3: World Series? Parody is above all the other leagues. So 187 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: I just don't believe it. I think Lance makes a 188 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: good point with the floor for sure. The other thing 189 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: here is I think at times in the last couple 190 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: of Cbas and Tony Clark, this is one thing that 191 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: I feel like he could have done a little better. 192 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: Is as soon as MLB says something they want to 193 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: talk about, like salary cap, it's slammed. The door shut. 194 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: No way, we're not hearing it. Here we go. This 195 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: is a fight, all right. Just because you say send 196 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: us your terms doesn't mean you're agreed. Just because you 197 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: say we'll entertain it doesn't mean you're agreed. There's a 198 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: lot that has to go into CBA talks. If a 199 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: salary cap is coming into play, what are the revenue 200 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: streams that are going to be allowed? The players need 201 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: to see the books to see what's involved. How are 202 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 3: we going to structure contracts or orient in places that 203 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: are long term deals that are gonna survive this next CBA. 204 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: So many discussions have to happen. But in the meantime, 205 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: we haven't even heard what MLB would be willing to 206 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: give up in order to get a salary cap. Okay, 207 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: because the salary floor is not the thing to give up, right, 208 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 3: MLB is going to have to give up something. We'll 209 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: say free agency goes from six to four years. Right, 210 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: It's gonna have to be something drastic for players to 211 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: even entertain to even open the books and look, why 212 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: don't we just sit back and let cooler heads prevail here, 213 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 3: don't do a knee jerk reaction, and just let MLB 214 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: share what they're willing to give up, because I think 215 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 3: that is the biggest thing that players have to look at. 216 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: Do I think a salary cap should be imposed? 217 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: No? 218 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: Is it something that players should agree to on any terms? 219 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: Possibly not. But we don't even know what MLB is 220 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: willing to give up in order to get it. So 221 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: sometimes just sit back and let the other side talk 222 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: and see what they're willing to do. 223 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: See I'm saying, I'm a second that. 224 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: How's that for level headed? Jim? 225 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 4: All Right? 226 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: The main my main thing is I want to see baseball. Okay. 227 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: I also understand that fans like the Cardinals are going 228 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: through a rebuild. It's a rebuild, so they're not gonna 229 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: spend as much. I know they took a big haircut 230 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: because I'm not good at my job, so with the 231 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: broadcast rights, you know, and stuff like that. 232 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: I get on that. 233 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: But look at other cities where they haven't won and 234 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: they're not gonna win, and the owners don't spend money, 235 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: and they they jump into an ownership and they know 236 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: the value of the team is gonna keep going up. 237 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: So I understand what you guys are saying. 238 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: But Lance, so how do you how do you reconcile 239 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: the differences between the two sides. I'd love to see 240 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: a floor. I don't think there has to be a ceiling. 241 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: They want a ceiling. So where is the middle ground? 242 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: Help us, Lance be the guy that can solve this problem. 243 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 4: Well, let's be honest, if you're gonna have a floor, 244 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 4: you have to have a top. Like that's just there's 245 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 4: no you can't build the house without it. Jim, you 246 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 4: know that when they when the Cardinals tore down to 247 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 4: the studs, they went down to the ground level. Now 248 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 4: they're trying to go back up and find a roof. 249 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: But that's, you know, is what it is. But Kyle 250 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: mentioned this, they've yet to open their books and they've 251 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: yet to be authentic with what they would call the 252 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: revenue sharing pool and what they call revenue sharing. Like, 253 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: let's I mean, it's simple, Cardinals owned Ballpark Village, they 254 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 4: owned the hotel that was the site of the old 255 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 4: stadium that they bought when they bought the team. But 256 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 4: that's not revenue that you got from the team. How's 257 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 4: that not revenue? I understand certain things, But when you 258 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 4: buy that land with the team, the city builds you 259 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 4: a new stadium and you get all the revenue from 260 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: that spot that you bought with the team and you 261 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 4: own it, that's team revenue in my opinion. But I 262 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 4: can see the argument for the other side, and that's 263 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 4: a different business blah blah blah. But you wouldn't have 264 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 4: that business if you didn't own the team. So the 265 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: teams are not the vulgeam all of their money that 266 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 4: they bring in, right, The league isn't telling us, hey, 267 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: we've got these three media or TV deals on the 268 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 4: books for whenever the lockout's over in the strike or 269 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: you know, the lockout's over and we're good to go, 270 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 4: and that's just more media and then this and that. 271 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 4: So they've got all these things that they're hiding, and 272 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: then they're also not going to you know, when you 273 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 4: say no to a cap, yeah, that ends the thing. 274 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: But it's like, hey, like Kyle said, there's so many 275 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 4: different things that have to change for it to be 276 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 4: fair for the players that they're not even entertaining conversations 277 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: at this point or sending things over because they want 278 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: there to be a lockout. They want it to be 279 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: the player's fault. They want these things because it's like, hey, well, 280 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 4: you don't want a cap. You don't want parody. We 281 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 4: have more parody than any other sport technically, so you 282 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: just don't want to show us your books. You want 283 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: to have a you just want to have a cap 284 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 4: without giving anything for it is what it looks like 285 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: right now, and that's the way that the players should 286 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 4: put it out there. It's like, hey, show us all 287 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 4: the things you'll give us for a cap, and well, 288 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 4: you know, and then we'll be you know, we'll let 289 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: you know what we think of it. But they're going 290 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: to have to give up so much to get a 291 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: cap for it to even be fair for the players 292 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 4: that I don't think MLB will want to do it 293 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 4: when it gets down to it. 294 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: And right, in my mind is how the players. That 295 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: in my mind, Jim, sorry, that in my mind is 296 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: how the players can somewhat fight the media narrative. Is 297 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: you can't fight the media narrative if you won't talk 298 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: and have a conversation. You can fight the media narrative 299 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: if you say, hey, tell us what you're willing to 300 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: negotiate this negotiation, what chips are you giving us? If 301 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: we give you this one instead of closing the door medialy, 302 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: then the lockout looks like the government shutdowns that we 303 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: have and then just one side is doing it all 304 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 3: Like no, if if it's going to be a lockout, 305 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: it's going to because the players have asked for what 306 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: they have to give up. The owners are showed what 307 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: they're going to give up, and then you have a 308 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: conversation about it. If you close the door before you 309 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: get there, you have no idea. 310 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: Pro common ground, I'm pro negotiation. I'm also pro marched. 311 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: And if you like Cardinal Territory. Did you like that segue? 312 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: Do you like Cardinal Territory? We had merch We got 313 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: T shirts, we got the caps, we got the hoodies, Holeballawax, 314 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: great merchandise. All you gotta do is go to Cardinal 315 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: Territory shop dot com. So I wanted to ask you 316 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: guys about the inner workings of the relationship between players 317 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: and the players' union rank and file. 318 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: Okay, you guys are veterans, you've been around this. 319 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: You're a young player. I know Tony Clark was supposed 320 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: to go to his tour of all the spring training camps. 321 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: How often as a player were you in contact with 322 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: the union, Like, for example, I know the cards Michael 323 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: McGreevy is their union rep. 324 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the rank and file. How does 325 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: that work? 326 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: Kyle? I mean, well, you have one rep technically, and 327 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: then anybody can be an alternate. So Lance and I 328 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: worked together in twenty twenty for a little bit on 329 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 3: some of that during COVID. I mean, I think it's 330 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: been great. The more young players that you have involved. 331 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: You know, hopefully there's some guys like Stank and Dustin 332 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 3: May and you know, some of these other veterans that 333 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 3: have to think about some of the guys that have 334 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: there to make sure that they can help McGreevy through 335 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: some of this. He's never been through a CBA, so 336 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: you want to have someone who's an alternate act to say, hey, Mike, uh, 337 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 3: this is how we need to say, this is what 338 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: we're thinking as a club. But I think McGreevey's a 339 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 3: really smart guy. He'll be fine. You know, Tony makes 340 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: his rounds in spring. Rob Manform makes his rounds in spring. 341 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: You normally saw Rob at least once in the middle 342 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: of a season, uh, and he would come into a 343 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: locker room. Everybody heard about the Bryce Harper story from 344 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 3: last year. I haven't seen anything escalate to that. In 345 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: my time in the locker room with Rob. I've seen 346 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: some interesting conversations, you know, in this for instance, in 347 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, when the pitchclock came in that he 348 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: came into the Oriol's locker room and was just raving 349 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: about all the attendants and raving about, you know, how 350 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: stronger the state of the game was. And you know, 351 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 3: the attendance in Baltimore was essentially because the pitchclock made 352 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: it so much fun for people to be there. Had 353 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: nothing to do with that. The Baltimore Oils were out 354 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: performing all of our expectations for twenty twenty three is 355 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: because the pitchclock made it a great game to watch. 356 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: Just some of those things are you know, you kind 357 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 3: of roll your eyes out a little bit, like Rob, 358 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: you can read the room here. You're standing in a 359 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: locker room that is over overperforming and has high attendance 360 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: because we're playing really well. And there's just times where 361 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: he didn't necessarily have that. He did come in and 362 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: sit in the starting pitcher's chair that day as well. 363 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: That was interesting. Lance would have loved that, I'm sure 364 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: had he been the starting pitcher that day. But that 365 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 3: was that was kind of like he just didn't understand, right, 366 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: like starting pitcher walks in and here's Rob Manford sitting 367 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: in the middle of the locker and talked to everybody 368 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: in his chairs the one that Rob is using. But 369 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: it's just he always talked to him. You saw him 370 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: every year springing in the season, and he tried to 371 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: make peace, try to have those conversations to see if 372 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 3: he could really kind of put a person to the 373 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 3: to the name, because Commissioner of Baseball is a name 374 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: and title, and he tried to have that relationship. So 375 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: kudos to him. I've talked to him a couple times 376 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: out of the locker room. Seems like he is a 377 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: decent guy, really wants to work on things, and I 378 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: think some of the tough guy, bulldog when he gets 379 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: in negotiations just because he understands he has a job 380 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 3: to do for the thirty, for the thirty clubs as well. 381 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: Let's tell me a story about a commissioner or a 382 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: union rep. Then you didn't like what they were doing, 383 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: and you let them know about it, say in a 384 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: clubhouse or. 385 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: Something like that, just for the fun. 386 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 4: I think I ever let anyone know it in a clubhouse. 387 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 4: But Tony and I had one on one conversations. I've 388 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 4: had one on one conversations with Bruce letting know some 389 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: things that I didn't enjoy it. Kyle and I went 390 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 4: through the covid H experience together. That was different, totally different. 391 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: For everybody, and there was a lot of a lot 392 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 4: of moving parts in that that. You know, we saw 393 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 4: a lot of things that I think, I think they've 394 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 4: changed a little bit for the better in the in 395 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 4: the Union, and I think that time at the time 396 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: probably could have split us more than any time I've 397 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 4: ever seen. But uh, and all in all, the Union 398 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 4: did a great job of rallying and bringing guys together 399 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 4: even better after it. So you know, for me, when 400 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 4: I you know, I came into the game when when 401 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 4: Sea League was the commissioner, So he's my commissioner in 402 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: my opinion. So that's the way I look at it. 403 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 4: Manford was, you know, underneath him when he came in, 404 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: and he's kind of taken over and done his own thing. 405 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: I think some of his things are you know, good 406 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: for the game, and I think some of those things 407 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 4: are just sometimes ways for him to hear himself speak. 408 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: And that's kind of how it goes when you're in 409 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 4: those positions. You got to kind of you know, navigate 410 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 4: all the all the all the different things. But I've 411 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 4: never outwardly yelled at anyone in a clubhouse in a 412 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 4: Union and or uh, you know, in the in Manford's office. 413 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 4: I don't think how you use the word outwardly. 414 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: Outwardly is the keyword there. 415 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: Right never Yeah, A little disappointed by that, to be 416 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: honest with you. 417 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: Last we point across in other ways, Jim, Okay. 418 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: I understand that one other thing before we we call 419 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: it an episode, Kyle. 420 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about because of. 421 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: The whole thing with with what happened with the flavored 422 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: of Union executive director Tony Clark. 423 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: Do you see a work stoppage happening? 424 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: Give me a percentage, like I'm just looking for a 425 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: brass text percentage that there will be a work stoppage 426 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: after this season. 427 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 3: Jim, I am a die hard optimist, fault just. I 428 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 3: will die on the optimism. I will die on the 429 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 3: optimism hill as much as I can. I'm gonna say 430 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: seventy five baseball happens, twenty five a dozen. I think 431 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 3: it's going to be another year of the game growing. 432 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: I think it it will be very interesting to see 433 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 3: how MLB streaming does. If MLB streaming does well for 434 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 3: these teams and those revenues trend in the right direction, 435 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 3: I think there's even a less chance that there's work 436 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 3: stoppage because I just think at some point, cooler heads 437 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: have to prevail here. And you know, if if the 438 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: salary cap hill is something that they're going to die 439 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 3: on in this cycle, then maybe there's nothing we can 440 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 3: do about it, or they can do about it, because 441 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: thank I'm gonna be sitting on my couch watching it 442 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: all and talking to you guys about it. But I 443 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 3: just think they're gonna look at each other and say, man, 444 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: what are we trying to accomplish? 445 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: Uh? 446 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 3: Maybe this is not the time. So hopefully that's how 447 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: it goes. 448 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: That's smart rational analysis, optimistic twenty five percent, Lance twenty 449 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: five percent. He says that the chance of a work 450 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: stop page twenty five. 451 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 4: What would you say, Well, my question to you is 452 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 4: does a lockout count as work stoppage? Yeah, it's just 453 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: a game. There's one hundred percent going to be a lockout? 454 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 4: Correct percout that he's saying that, now, how many games 455 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 4: are going to be missed? There's gonna be. 456 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: Games missed, that's all. 457 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 4: One question that you have to ask, is there going 458 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 4: to be one hundred percent of games missed? Or is 459 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 4: it going to be like, hey, we're going to get 460 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty in because that's the number that 461 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 4: we need for TV money. 462 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I so, Jim, that's that is definitely the difference here, right, 463 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: Like when December second hits and there's no agreement, it 464 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: will be the owners locking the players out of silks, 465 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: not a workstoppers. Workstoppers won't come until March twenty sixth, 466 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: when the players don't show up to play, so not 467 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 3: even spring training. So when games start being missed, that's 468 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: when the players have to go. 469 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: Talking about games. I'm talking about games be a mess. 470 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: And I think Lance has talked about it before, you've 471 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: talked about it. There's a magic number on when the 472 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: losses for ownership will grow because the playoff money from 473 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: TV is in jeopardy, right, that's the that's the magic number, 474 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: right if the players. 475 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 4: We know that, if the players had a real big pair, 476 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: they would strike after the season and tell them the 477 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 4: f the playoffs. This year that was show them what's up. 478 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: Com twenty twenty gave us a really good look at 479 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: what revenues do for baseball and what the playoffs mean 480 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: to Major League Baseball. And I think the players can 481 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 3: use that not as leverage, but they can use that 482 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 3: as a part of their sleeve, understanding that the whole 483 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 3: time they wanted to play sixty games in twenty twenty 484 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 3: and that's it because then they knew the playoffs would 485 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: make their money back and be in the black. So 486 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 3: they know that. Now the TV deals is something that 487 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: we don't know all those contracts, but if there's a 488 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 3: game number on there that they have to get all 489 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: those that will be the amount of games that probably 490 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: get missed if I had a guess, But I'm hoping 491 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: that they're zero, because I think everybody wins if you 492 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: have one hundred and sixty two. 493 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: All the matters is the fans, right, because they're the 494 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: ones picking up the cost for all of it, so 495 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: you don't want to take them off, gentlemen. 496 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: A wonderful discussion. I actually learned a lot. 497 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: Disappointed that Lance didn't go after a commissioner or a 498 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: union ref in a clubhouse. 499 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: But I'm a proud of you, Lance. What's that? 500 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 4: I think it was on a zoo. Wouldn't they go? 501 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: You know it wasn't in person, Yeah, it wasn't in person. Uh, 502 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 3: you know in COVID. Yeah, the social distance digitally as well. 503 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: So we want of zoom calls that that we heard, 504 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 3: heard Lance's, Lance's opinions, Oh gray area. 505 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: There, good gentlemen, thank you, we appreciate it. And that's 506 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: going to do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 507 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: We'll see everybody next time with a brand new edition 508 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: and hopefully that one won't suck.