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Speaker 1: New Yorker. The magazine claimed Severn Beckwith and his partner

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Speaker 1: the Carlton Reserve again? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: that service? Four hundred dollars? How many hours? Well, that

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00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: burner last months and if they paid that in cash

426
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: under the name Jackie Howard, then that would not be

427
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: traceable back to them. And you can get it at

428
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: a pawn shop. If you get a burner at a

429
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: pawn shop, can you also get your sales service activated

430
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: at a pawn shop? Now, the interesting thing is, so

431
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: if I went to here's another If I went to

432
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: a pawn shop, get I get a phone. The phone's unlocked,

433
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: which means it allows me to put a simcart into

434
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: it from any any carrier. I can then walk into

435
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: a store and simply buy a simcart. So now I've

436
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: purchased a phone at a paunch shop, I now have

437
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: a SIM card from a different store, or I don't know. Okay,

438
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: you get a simcard a quick trip, then what do

439
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: you do? Yep, yeah, I can go and yeah, if

440
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: you have a SIM card, I can. I can slap

441
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: that in. Every simcard comes with it depends upon the carrier,

442
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: but it comes with, say thirty minutes of talk time

443
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: and thirty minutes of Wi Fi. If I had a

444
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: whole bunch of SIM cards that I stole in, i'd

445
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: be I can. I can utilize all those and you

446
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: don't have to register with a sales service. You will

447
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: you will register with the SOUL service to get technic,

448
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: which means that Okay, if I went in and I

449
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: stole this, and I can go in and I can

450
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: put the simcard into this, it will allow me to activate.

451
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: By activating, you register correct, correct, So the whole registration

452
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: process isn't like I go up to the camera, go hi,

453
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: I want to register for Verizon with this SIM correct.

454
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: You just stick the simcard in and you're in business.

455
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: Could you register with that obviously, and you have there's

456
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: already prepaid time that would be in within that SIM

457
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: part itself. Now some of the stores have started the

458
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: activation process of once you purchased that it activated it

459
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: much like a gifts card, so they have their arts.

460
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: Another theory I've got, Massa said, remember when the parents

461
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: drove I don't know, ninety miles to Jacksonville to speak

462
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: to their lawyer, and they coincidently stopped at a public library. Yeah,

463
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: I thought that was too much of a coincidence. Why

464
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: would you stop at a public library and wander around

465
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: until you see a reporter from Daily Mail following you

466
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: and then you leave. I still say I think that

467
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: they were trying to activate email out side of their

468
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: home because they probably rightfully fear that their email and

469
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: their phone calls are being surveiled, so they come up

470
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: with a fake email and then they have to go

471
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: somewhere to access the email. Massa, where what was that library?

472
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: And they never made it to the computers, right, Yeah,

473
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: So they spent some time in the library, and it

474
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: was it was very curious that they decided to meet

475
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: with the attorney in Orlando, you know, trying to get

476
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: away from just the intense media that was surrounding their

477
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: home at the time, so they chose to get out

478
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: of the Tampa Bay area and drive over to Orlando

479
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: for that appointment. Let me ask you this, Lee Riba

480
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: and Joe Scott, Cheryl, Doctor Angie, Michael Griffith. Everybody jump

481
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: in with questions or comments. We've got X amount of

482
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: time and I want to work it. What I have

483
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: a sixty four thousand dollars question? Hit me? If he

484
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: does have the burn a phone, how could he possibly

485
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: this is for Reba, how could he possibly communicate with

486
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: the parents, because I'm sure the FBI is monitoring of

487
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: the phone and the remails because they have a burner

488
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: phone too. Yeah, exactly, I mean, and the whole of

489
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: going to say a public library. You know, every service,

490
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: almost every third party service. If you think about what

491
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: that telegram signal, every single one of those allows you

492
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: to log in via computer. So if I'm communicating, I

493
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: don't have to have a phone. I can go in

494
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: and log into the account that we have coordinated, and

495
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: now I'm able to have all those messages, whether he's

496
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: speaking to himself or just to have somebody else read this,

497
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: because they have the account information. They've got a burner phone. Hello,

498
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: if they're gonna go, we get him or burner phone

499
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: and a bunch of SIM cards. Then they have a

500
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: burner phone. Okay, Nancy Yes. Listen, I've had a couple

501
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: of people ask me this question. This is actually directed

502
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: to you as well as to Lee. People have asked me,

503
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: is there any way by law that Brian Laundry could

504
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: be in direct communication with this attorney. Yes, that's his attorney,

505
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: and that right, Cheryl McCollum. Didn't he hire you know

506
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: the moment he got back in town. And that's one

507
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk about. The attorney is very

508
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: careful to call himself the family attorney, even though he's

509
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: quoted the parents, he's never quoted Brian. But absolutely all

510
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: three of them can communicate with that attorney. That's why

511
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: I believe they went there on that day because they

512
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: were fixing too, you know, all four, you know, have

513
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: a sit down. Well, you know, my thought was was that,

514
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's on the lamp, he's wanted by the FBI.

515
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: Is the attorney under any obligation to theoretically, theorectally turn

516
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: him into the authorities to commit another crime, right, Michael Griffith, exactly.

517
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: And you know the attorney will lose his ticket to

518
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: practice if he tries to come up with any any

519
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: kind of advice to keep him on the lamb, but

520
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: he is not under the duty to provide location information

521
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: to the fields. No, that's why you have a lawyer

522
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: to protect you, not hand you over like a Thanksgiving

523
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: turkey on a silver platter. No, you're right, Jo Scott,

524
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: So tell the questionnaires that the lawyer Bertolino has no

525
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: duty at all to reveal the whereabouts to Brian laundry

526
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: if in fact he knows. But I guarantee you they're

527
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: communicating either through burner phone or through another type of account,

528
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: not their regular emails. And Lee reber with me from

529
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: auction Forensics, Ink. Lee, can you just address a stingray

530
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: because my question is if the parents are using a

531
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: burner within their home, which I doubt because they're probably

532
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: afraid the home is tapped. But if they are using

533
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: a burner, or if they have the burner turned off

534
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: on in their home, could a sting right device which

535
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: is really like a little mobile saddle, a little mobile

536
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: cell tower. Would it pick up the burner phone number

537
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: and if so, find out who was texting and what

538
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: is being texted to that number. Yeah, I mean you

539
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: could call it a cell site simulator, right, sort of

540
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: the man in the middle, and you know, obviously anything

541
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: that would be coming out of that and attaching to

542
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: that cell tower in air quotes, Yeah, sure, that could

543
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: be the information the International Mobile Subscriber identity, which is

544
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: would be on the SIM card, as well as the

545
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: I M EI which is the mobile equipment identifier which

546
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: you need for the phone. They'd be able to take

547
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: that information and go back to obtain they called detail

548
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: records of information from that. So that is it is

549
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: definitely possible to do that if they have the burner

550
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: on in the home and that burner could reveal any

551
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: faults or pseudo email addresses that they are utilizing, Doctor

552
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Angie Arnold. A lot of people say, wow, you know what,

553
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: that's complicated. First of all, it's not complicated to go

554
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: pick up burner phones at a pawn shop and then

555
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: go to T Mobile or wherever and get some SIM cards.

556
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: That's not hard at all. They could get him twenty

557
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: SIM cards. They're this big and he could easily carry

558
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: them to stay in touch. Would they do it this morning?

559
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: Doctor Angie? My daughter Lucy said, I said, there's your phone.

560
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: Take it to school. They can't have it turned on

561
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: at school, and she said him to school, even at home,

562
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, what if you need me, you

563
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: need to be able to call me and I need

564
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: to be able to find you at all times in

565
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: case you're in trouble. So it was that quick? You

566
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: want to tell me those parents sent him out without

567
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: a way to communicate. And you know, Nancy, this all,

568
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: all of this information leads back to what I said

569
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: about Brian Laundry when this first happened. He is a sociopath.

570
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: Let's not forget that. Okay, Okay, breaks us down and

571
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: not everybody got to go to medical school. Okay, this

572
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: is so interesting, Okay, Nancy. Sociopaths don't learn from their mistakes. Okay.

573
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: They use intelligence and charm and charisma to manipulate others.

574
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: They try to control other people with threats of aggression.

575
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: They have very impulsive behavior. They lie for personal gain.

576
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: Everything we're talking about here describes him as a sociopath.

577
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: What is burning inside of me every time I read

578
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: another thing about this family is what are his parents like?

579
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: I want to know how he became associopath, how he

580
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: was raised, and what his parents are like. But all

581
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: of them together, good thoughts, Shall McCollum, what's happened to

582
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: sister Cassie. Cassie has been such an unbelievable person that

583
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: gets weaved into this thing every five minutes and Nancy again,

584
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: law enforcement contacts her on the eleventh of September. She

585
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: doesn't rush to her parents and say we've got to

586
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: go find Gabby. She doesn't say, you know, what in

587
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: the world's going on. She stays away from her family

588
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: and her brother. But at that point she knows Gabby's

589
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: formally missing. And what happens. The FBI comes and visits

590
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: her and says, hey, don't talk to nobody. She goes

591
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: on Good Morning America. The lawyer says, oh, by the way, Cassie,

592
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: did you have a chance to talk to him, because

593
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: she was at the camp site. Well, then at that

594
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: point what happens again. Cassie ramps it up. Cassie puts

595
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: herself back in this thing and says, okay, well, let

596
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: me tell you what all went down at the campsite.

597
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: We had this deed. We did that. You know, Brian,

598
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: that ain't his car, that's a parent's car. They all

599
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: came over here. She to me, is somebody that they

600
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: need to stay on top of. She's the only one

601
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: willing to talk. She's the only one that I believe

602
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: has information on just how involved the parents would be

603
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: because she knows the dynamics of that home. I still

604
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: don't have an answer from anybody, and I know we

605
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: don't know definitively, but for Pete's sake, take a stab

606
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: at it. Okay, why are they still searching Carlton Reserve?

607
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: There has to be a reason they're still there. Okay,

608
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: here's my guess. Here's my guess. Mamma gave us that.

609
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: Mama gave us that location. Mama gave us the wrong date,

610
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: in the wrong location, but she pointed specifically to that reserve.

611
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: If anything like a computer or Gabby's clothing, anything that

612
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: could have been destroyed, could very well be in that reserve.

613
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Joe Scott was a bum steer. What Michael Griffith, I

614
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: think it was a bumsteer probably, But why are they

615
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: still searching it? You have a well fancy but Michael, yeah,

616
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: you have to ask them. I mean, how can the police?

617
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: Did you actually just say you'd have to ask them?

618
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: That is not helping me. That wasted thirty seconds of

619
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: this program. Michael Griffith, Yes, what do you have to

620
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: say for yourself. Please forgive me. I promise I won't

621
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: do it again. But but, but but at this point,

622
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: unless he's eating alligators and lapping up featured water, he's

623
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: not in the reserve and we're letting the burn of phones.

624
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: Unless he's having conversations with his parents, there's no way

625
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: that they can get him any kind of access to

626
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: money or or or bank accounts or things like that

627
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: because the police would be on it right away. So

628
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't see the pa. I don't know he managed

629
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: to get out of the house. And a lot about

630
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: people showing up down there with cadaver dogs, there's been

631
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: no proof of that they do have access. The Pasco

632
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office does have access to cadaver dogs, and

633
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: I think they actually have one in their kennel. But

634
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: if they are looking for a body working in swamp,

635
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: looking for a body is very difficult because, and I'm

636
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: going to throw some knowledge at you, the makeup of

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Speaker 1: this swamp is pure organic material that's vesta material and

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Speaker 1: everything else. One of the things that's created in this

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Speaker 1: environment is something called tannic acid, and when bodies break

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00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: down and swamp, it goes quicker than any other place.

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Speaker 1: They could be getting negative hits out there, relative if

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Speaker 1: they're bringing dogs, because to be blunt with you, bodies

643
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: and swamps turn to soup. So if he's been down

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Speaker 1: for a protracted period of time, they ain't gonna be

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Speaker 1: much left. Other speaking, why, as Michael Griffith said, why

646
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Speaker 1: would you go out into a nature reserve to kill

647
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: yourself with alligators? That contradicts everything that we know about

648
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Speaker 1: method and assessment of homicide and suicide. Just no, I

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Speaker 1: don't see him going out there to kill himself. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Angie jump In, I don't see him going out there

651
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: to kill himself either. Okay, that goes against it really

652
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: does go against everything else that he's showing people that

653
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Speaker 1: people that are sociopaths or that have antisocial personalities order

654
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: they say they might attempt suicide, They talked about it

655
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Speaker 1: to get people's attention, but they don't do it. So Massa,

656
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Speaker 1: what do you have any idea why they're still there? Yes? No,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think the interesting thing was when we

658
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Speaker 1: saw them last week and they had on all this

659
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: tactical gear, we were like, oh my god, what's happening?

660
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Speaker 1: Like Twitter was blowing up, and then we don't say o,

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Speaker 1: m g on cs with NG okay him into this, Okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. And they said that they were doing a

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Speaker 1: training exercise. So I've seen experts like analyzed in a

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Speaker 1: different way. Yeah. So, but didn't they go out with

665
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: cadaver dogs? They did the day before they went out

666
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: with cadaver dog. One day they went out with a

667
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: cadaver dog at least one, but there was two different

668
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: sheriff's offices with dogs on scene. Then the following day

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Speaker 1: we saw them in tactical gear, and then later in

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00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: the day Northport Police said that they were just doing

671
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Speaker 1: a training exercise. So I didn't know what to think

672
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Speaker 1: about that, Like, are they being efficient with their time?

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Speaker 1: Are they okay? You know what? Why I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: It's just like they brought out cadets to help look

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Speaker 1: for sean to Lavie's body. Yes, it was a training exercise,

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Speaker 1: but also they were looking for her body. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: I've got Michael Griffith, doctor Angie, Cheryl McCollum, any idea

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Speaker 1: why they're at Carlton Reserved Quickly not Shell Cheryl. That

679
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: was for you. Well, I'm telling you, I believe the place,

680
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: but I do think it was a red heron. I'm

681
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: telling you everything has been a lie. But did they

682
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: go back and forth there? Yes? Could it possibly be

683
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 1: they were getting rid of evidence? Yes. Keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: no one, not law enforcement, not the attorney, nobody has

685
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: seen Brian in person since before September eleventh. And to

686
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: Lee revert lee elect best bet and trying to catch

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Speaker 1: the scouting. Well, let me throw that theory out too.

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00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: Why they might be in that area. I'm sure they

689
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: were dumping cell sites, which means that they go to

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Speaker 1: each cell tower and they'll actually dump the information and

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00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: data which can identify and so they're backtracking. They might

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00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: have found that, you know, when the parents were going

693
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: back and forth their phone's registry. So they might be

694
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Speaker 1: doing and trying to do some location work and how

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00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: do you do the celled up? So they'll identify the

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Speaker 1: cell tower and then work with the cell carriers because

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00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: multiple carriers can utilize You don't have to search Carlton

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Speaker 1: or deserve a swamp with dogs to get the data

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00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: a cell tower, correct, So they can do all of

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Speaker 1: that and have the information. My point is they might

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00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: be using that as a directional location of last location. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: I have all these papers of your questions and your

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Speaker 1: notes that we can't get to quickly now, but I

704
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Speaker 1: can tell you this much. It ain't over yet, and

705
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Speaker 1: we are not stopping until we find Brian Laundry and

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Speaker 1: bring him to justice. I want him alive. I want

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry in a court of law. Nancy Grace Crime Story,

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,