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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by a first Light. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host, Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about

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Speaker 2: patterning deer and how we often get this task so

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Speaker 2: very wrong. When I was in high school, I got

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Speaker 2: permission to hunt this dairy farm where quite a few

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Speaker 2: people had permission to hunt. One of the other hunters

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Speaker 2: was maybe, I don't know, like ten years older than me,

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Speaker 2: and he had a reputation for being a big buck killer.

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Speaker 2: I randomly bumped into him walking out one morning and

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Speaker 2: he showed me some pictures, actual printed photographs, not self

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Speaker 2: CAMPI since it was like nineteen ninety six, there were

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Speaker 2: just several big bucks that he had killed. He then

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Speaker 2: pointed to a valley on the farm and said they

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Speaker 2: usually bet in there and dropped down on the hillside

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Speaker 2: to go feed in the evening, And I remember thinking

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I've hunted that hillside a lot and

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Speaker 2: that's just not been the case. But it turns out

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Speaker 2: that he was right, so was I. And now I'm

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Speaker 2: going to tell you how that can be true. Do

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Speaker 2: you know why we love music so much? Part of

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Speaker 2: the reason is that we have a long history, like

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Speaker 2: two million years of history, where recognizing patterns helped us

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Speaker 2: either fill our bellies or keep us from filling something

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Speaker 2: else's belly. In fact, our creation of music and our

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Speaker 2: hunting abilities are intertwined, even if that's hard to believe

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Speaker 2: because you're I don't know, as tone deaf as a

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Speaker 2: fence post, but you love to hunt. Now, whether you're

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Speaker 2: talking melody in the form of a catchy core rhythm

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Speaker 2: in the form of a guitar riff that just makes

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Speaker 2: you feel all warm and fuzzy, music is built on

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Speaker 2: a foundation of repetition. In that latter case, the key

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Speaker 2: to a good riff is that it involves playing notes

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Speaker 2: or chords, but also utilizes the silence in between. This

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Speaker 2: gives you, the listener, a chance to anticipate the next

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Speaker 2: notes and gives the song kind of this feeling that

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Speaker 2: it's progressing. Take one of the best songs that has

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Speaker 2: ever been written. Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd.

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Speaker 2: I'm teaching my daughter to play the rhythm for this

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Speaker 2: her timing sucks. While she might play every note in

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Speaker 2: one bit. Now, with music, it's pretty easy to identify patterns.

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Speaker 2: It happens damn near naturally to all of us. Our

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Speaker 2: brains just do the work, and we know what sounds

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Speaker 2: subdued out there in the wild, where we might be

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Speaker 2: clued into super obvious patterns, but not into the subtle

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Speaker 2: more effectively. This is kind of wild, considering our ability

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Speaker 2: to recognize patterns came from our continual quest to survive

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Speaker 2: and thrive as a species. Of course, you have the

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Speaker 2: patterns in nature that keep you alive but don't help

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Speaker 2: you hunt. Take honey, for example. That delicious bee puke

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Speaker 2: is one of our most ancestrally consistent foods. It can

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Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons natural honey is also really

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Speaker 2: unlike I don't know, say, a package of gushers or

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Speaker 2: I read a line in an article about this that

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Speaker 2: goes evolution necessitates economical and reliable brain mechanisms in some

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Speaker 2: environmental context. Take a couple of caveman hunters looking to

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Speaker 2: into patterns. Just like the presence of one single big

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Speaker 2: result in us recognizing patterns. Say a certain tree bears

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Speaker 2: because well, we know that they're patterning us too. There

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Speaker 2: are songs that are created with nothing more than an

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Speaker 2: Patterns can be simple, and they can be complicated. As

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Speaker 2: hunters in today's world, we strive to make them simple.

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Speaker 2: We put in a food plot and hope the bucks

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Speaker 2: or at least the doe do, and then we leave

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Speaker 2: it once it should turn on. It's actually pretty simple

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Speaker 2: until it's not. How often have you had a good plan, now,

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Speaker 2: It's hard to really scout elk. It's hard to really

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Speaker 2: which means even if there is a repeatable pattern, observing

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Speaker 2: I've talked about this a thousand times. But the advice

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Speaker 2: because they knew how much they had of that buck's

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Speaker 2: pattern coming into a certain food plot very consistent. Now,

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Speaker 2: But that's okay. There are still plenty of patterns out

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Speaker 2: This is where the advice is gonna get a little tricky,

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Speaker 2: your big buck public land hunters have a huge advantage

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Speaker 2: This is a hard thing for people to really grasp,

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Speaker 2: to kill deer. That gives them a built in excuse

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Speaker 2: Think about it this way. If you hunt, say Michigan

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Speaker 2: setup in Iowa after waiting six years to draw a tag.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's going to write that spot off

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