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Speaker 1: para banana, para para banana, fluck a banana and banana

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Speaker 1: by day.

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Speaker 2: Each Good morning, swirl and welcome to the No Dames

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Speaker 2: podcast on the Athletic Network.

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Speaker 3: It's Wednesday, February tenth. Happy hump day to everyone. I'm J. E.

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Speaker 3: Skis rolling this morning with the bass Master, ribbonon Lips,

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Speaker 3: Trey Kirby.

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Speaker 4: Hey out, hey, yo. We got the.

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Speaker 3: International Man mystery taking it to the max. Lee Ellis

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Speaker 3: friend lely last, but not least, making the magic happen.

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Speaker 3: It's jd.

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 3: There he is here. We are shout out to the

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Speaker 3: stream team joining us live right now on YouTube. You

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Speaker 3: glorious bastards. Did it? Yes? I threatened to cancel the

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Speaker 3: NBA Happy Hour watch party on Thursday unless we hit

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Speaker 3: our goal of hitting thirty thousand subscribers. Turns out that works, guys.

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Speaker 3: Just a just a little threat to take something away

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Speaker 3: that people like got us to thirty k in no time.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody that

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Speaker 3: has subscribed. Continue to like and comment and share the show,

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Speaker 3: and of course if you haven't subscribe. Happy Hour is

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Speaker 3: a go. Okay, it's going anywhere. Yeah, it's here on

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Speaker 3: Thursday night once again. We'll fire up the live stream

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Speaker 3: around halftime of the Heat Rockets game on TNT. Got

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Speaker 3: another special guest in store. Okay, look, let's just jump

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Speaker 3: the gun here. We're not going four and a half

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Speaker 3: hours this day. Five no, no, So I'm basically saying

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Speaker 3: this Happy Hour will in no way be as good

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Speaker 3: as last week's Happy Hour. But that's just the way

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Speaker 3: it is, Okay. Sometimes, yeah, we make classics every day.

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Speaker 3: But that was like a legendary that last Thursday marathon

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Speaker 3: with Mattio and Tray making eggs and Lee sitting in

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Speaker 3: the dark for an hour and a half like it's

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Speaker 3: a wild ride. Go back and watch it. Some people

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Speaker 3: said they've watched it twice, which is crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: But it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: I've tapped in a couple of times, just looking for

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Speaker 4: little moments, and you know, you click along on the

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Speaker 4: I'm having a laugh. I'm having a laugh. Don't remember

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Speaker 4: laughing when I see it back. I like the people

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Speaker 4: who say they're saving their subscriptions for the push to

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Speaker 4: fifty K, They're like, Okay, I see you guys going

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Speaker 4: for thirty. I'll subscribe when you're going for fifty. Guess

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Speaker 4: what it's like the NBA. If you subscribe, If you

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Speaker 4: score in the first half, it still counts at the end.

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Speaker 4: We're on the way to fifty. Get them in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna say, Lee, I.

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Speaker 5: Think this time, I'm not going to take my power

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Speaker 5: cord with my computer. So when the battery runs out

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Speaker 5: on my computer, that's it. I'm gone.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't leave last week. I couldn't leave.

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Speaker 5: It's unbelievable, but it was. It was actually a whole

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Speaker 5: lot of fun there. And seeing Big Mattio back on

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Speaker 5: a scream Wasn't that great? Wasn't it like a throwback.

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Speaker 3: amount of complaints. He had great energy. We were obviously

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Speaker 4: It's insane. I can't believe we did skates. I think

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Speaker 4: we're gonna do it again. I think we're gonna go

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Speaker 4: day up late on the West Coast. It's not late

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Speaker 5: It's in the cards.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know. We will see. We'll have some fun.

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Speaker 3: And if you've never joined us for a happy hour

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Speaker 3: in No dunks at the Athletic dot com. No dunks

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Speaker 3: And before we get into it here, I just wanted

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Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell continuing to impress we will not really get

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Speaker 3: into them on today's show, to just chill out. It's

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Speaker 5: the official Utah Jazz Team pod. So yeah, count White

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Speaker 5: to talk little jazz, okay with my jazz friends.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm le Ells and these are the five jazz

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Speaker 4: songs I desire.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, serious, except okay.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I went looking for Lee's YouTube desire thing

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Speaker 3: Joel Embiid twenty five points, seventeen boards, season high six

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Speaker 3: Joel Embiid would deserve MVP true or false. I know

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Speaker 4: but they're third in defense. It's just been tiny tweaks

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Speaker 5: Agree or disagreely, I disagree, but he's making an absolutely

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Speaker 5: He's playing in control, he's understanding what his strengths are.

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Speaker 5: being a team leader out on the floor. His team

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Speaker 5: An MVP to him, no, no, look, he could win it.

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Speaker 5: There's no question he has a strong, strong case. I

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Speaker 5: I think just over the entire you know what, twenty

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Speaker 3: Bryan's played twenty five and beat has played twenty. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't hold it.

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Speaker 5: I don't hold it against him, And in fact, I

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Speaker 5: I think it's a combination of those factors, but it's

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Speaker 3: No, what about Lebron He's added a three point shot.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think Jeremy Grant is actually running

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Speaker 3: That shot was Jordan esk That's what Warriors coach Steve

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Speaker 4: but as an incredible finish by Steph Curry. He's playing

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Speaker 5: He's got such soft hands there. It was almost like

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Speaker 5: one on Rudy Gay last night where Rudy Gay just

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Speaker 5: It just sort of feels like he's not quite in

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Speaker 5: It's so good to watch him out there playing. He

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Speaker 5: I just hope the Warriors can pick up a few

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Speaker 3: You guys are right though, if your Kitch is in

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Speaker 3: the Donk is usually in these conversations. Mavericks are eleven

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Speaker 3: He should be at the table. He's in the converse seats.

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Speaker 5: Ah, that starts that, Yeah, there are many seats at

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Speaker 3: Hell of a shot, definitely true on the Jordan Lake layup,

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Speaker 5: the Nets, and I thought the Nets had one of

430
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,080
Speaker 5: their best defensive performances because they put the effort in,

431
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 5: but it wasn't there last night, and the Pistons really

432
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 5: took advantage. I thought Blake Griffin was excellent actually again

433
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,159
Speaker 5: last night, really using his size advantage down low. But

434
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 5: the Nets need Kevin Durant out there just to keep

435
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 5: things from really falling apart, because otherwise this Nets team

436
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 5: could be a little bit like the Clippers were down

437
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 5: in the bubble. If things don't go well for them.

438
00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,679
Speaker 5: You can kind of see it being a little bit

439
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 5: of a combustible situation there. So you know, Durant's are

440
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,000
Speaker 5: not with the team at the moment. He's expected to

441
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,399
Speaker 5: join them to play again on Friday when he clears

442
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,640
Speaker 5: protocols and they can't get him back quick enough because

443
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 5: I think they've lost three in a row now. But yeah,

444
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 5: when Kevin Durant's out on the court, the Nets I

445
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 5: think can beat anyone, including the Bucks, who's probably the

446
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,879
Speaker 5: best team outside of the Nets, when Kevin Durant does play,

447
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 5: But when he's not there, it's, yeah, it's a tough thing.

448
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 5: And Steve Nash also had some comments the games. We

449
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 5: just saying, listen, we got to bring it every not

450
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter who we're playing. We're playing NBA competition.

451
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 5: But they didn't have it last night, and that was

452
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 5: a very impressive win from from the Detroit Pistons, pretty

453
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 5: much in control of the game from the stop too.

454
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think, Trey tru or false? Are

455
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 3: the Nets? You know? With with what we're seeing here

456
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 3: without Katie, As Lee points out, true or false, they

457
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 3: should not be considered title favorites.

458
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 4: Title favorites. I don't think they're title favorites. I still

459
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 4: wouldn't maybe have them as Eastern Conference champions favorites. I

460
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 4: don't know, that's a tough call because, like you're saying, Lee,

461
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 4: it's very it's a very strange situation when Kevin Durant,

462
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 4: maybe a top two offensive player in the league, is

463
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,880
Speaker 4: the most important defensive player for the Nets, but when

464
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 4: he's out there, it doesn't look like they can get

465
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 4: any stops. But like you said, Lee, they look great

466
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 4: against the Clippers. Here's the difference. The Pistons are terrible,

467
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 4: the Clippers are good, so the Nets try and flip

468
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 4: the switch. The difference with the Nets flipping the switch

469
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 4: and the Lakers flipping of the switch is that when

470
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 4: the Nets flip it, they can't get a stop every

471
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 4: single time down the court. As the Lakers, that's kind

472
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 4: of what they've built their identity on. They've got great

473
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 4: offensive players, obviously in Lebron and Anthony Davis, guys who

474
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 4: can score at the hoop every single time when it

475
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 4: comes down to it in the playoffs, but they also

476
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 4: get stops every single time that they need to, which

477
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 4: is why they're able to flip the switch in the

478
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. Then Net's try. They definitely try to be

479
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 4: a switch flipping team, but they don't have the defensive talent,

480
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 4: they don't have the rebounding, they don't have the communication

481
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 4: really and the continuity to do it as effectively as

482
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 4: the Lakers do. I'm not super concerned about them. I

483
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 4: think they're gonna be terrible against every team they play

484
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 4: against that's under five hundred, and I think they're gonna

485
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: be looking great on every national TV game against the

486
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 4: team that's over five hundred. Lucky for them in the playoffs,

487
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 4: every game is on national TV.

488
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will see. Did you see the clip that

489
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 3: I know Schumann shared out last night where DeAndre Jordan

490
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 3: just stopped playing defense, like literally mid play, just sort

491
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 3: of like, okay, I guess he's around me. I'll little

492
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: just put my hands down in behind my back so

493
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 3: I get the foul. I will just give up the

494
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 3: lay up instead. That was That was weird. But yeah,

495
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 3: I mean you said it hard and sort of and

496
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 3: him get into it a little bit at least, like

497
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: what's going on here defensively, like what are we doing here?

498
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: And I'm sure it's like, oh, stand in front of

499
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 3: your men, Well where's the help? Like where are you?

500
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 3: Like and all this, like you know, the losses start

501
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 3: piling up that's what happens rate lately.

502
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 5: Oh exactly. Yeah, And again I think without Durant's presence there,

503
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 5: they're just a little bit lost. He's almost like the

504
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 5: father of the team out there, you know, where things

505
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 5: aren't going to get a little bit too crazy. But

506
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 5: it's more to do with the fact that, you know,

507
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 5: when this team has some good wins and they look

508
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 5: like they're rolling, and again, every team is going to

509
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 5: be missing players, star players from time to time. That's

510
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 5: never an excuse to just say, well, it's okay if

511
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 5: we lose these games. They still had hardened, they still

512
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 5: had Kyrie, they're as healthy as ever. You know, they're

513
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 5: virtually impossible to stop themselves going forward against a Pistons

514
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 5: team that isn't a great defensive team. But again, I

515
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 5: felt that the Pistons, they were just in control of

516
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 5: this game. And that's the concern I think for Steve

517
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 5: Nash is that you know, is Harden or Kyrie one

518
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 5: of those guys going to sort of fill those leadership

519
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 5: boots when Kevin Durant is out and it didn't happen

520
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 5: last night.

521
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: Well, don't play in boot. So that's going to slow

522
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 3: you down, No wonder you're slow defensively out there, all right?

523
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: Next one he beat the next ninety eight ninety six.

524
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 3: That was the final score to finish off the sweep

525
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 3: of a home and home series. It wasn't pretty, but

526
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 3: it was nostalgic.

527
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 5: Maybe.

528
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: After the game he coached, Eric Polster said, quote, this

529
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: was more of a throwback Miami New York game from

530
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: the nineties, where there weren't a lot of open shots

531
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 3: in the last fourteen to sixteen minutes of the game.

532
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: You were just gonna have to grind out a win

533
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: end quote. RJ. Barrett had a chance to tie it

534
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 3: on the final play, but his layup bounced a little

535
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 3: high off the rim. He didn't get it quite in

536
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 3: the box there. You know, Jimmy was challenging and so

537
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: he got the victory. But true or false, Trey, last

538
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: night's Nicks heat game made you miss nineties basketball.

539
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 4: This is a falsey. This one's a false for sure.

540
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 4: Come on, this wasn't nineties basketball. Look at what these

541
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: teams were wearing. You got one team and a half

542
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: and half Grady in Jersey. You got the other one

543
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 4: with a tie die running down the sides. It's even

544
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 4: harder to miss the nineties. If you're a Bulls fan

545
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 4: and you see Jimmy Butler versus Derrick Rose, but somehow

546
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 4: it's Nicks versus heat. Ugh my heart. That being said,

547
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 4: ninety eight to ninety six heat over the Knicks. That

548
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 4: looks nineties. Both teams hitting double digit threes, though that's

549
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: not nineties. A nice game for Kelly Olynok twenty points,

550
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: six threes. We did see a few post ups. Jimmy

551
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 4: Butler had one that's a nineties move, like guard posting up.

552
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 4: Love it. Julius Randall was posting up a little bit.

553
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 4: But I saw zero Georgetown centers shooting hook shots. If

554
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 4: you're talking about Nix versus heat, it's either going to

555
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: be Patrick Ewing or Alonzo Morning taking fifteen steps across

556
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 4: the lane throwing up a hookshot that somehow goes in.

557
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 4: Every single Georgetown center had it back in the day,

558
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 4: and I saw none of that last night. But the

559
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 4: way I knew this was not nineties basketball hard foul.

560
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 4: At the end of the game, there Jimmy Butler goes down,

561
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 4: but rather than getting up and fighting the New York Knicks,

562
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler acted like he was hurt. He was doing

563
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: a bit. He was trying to get a flagrant.

564
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 3: Foul out of this.

565
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 4: He can out of one eye to make sure that

566
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 4: the refs weren't looking fame. I still hurt. I still hurt.

567
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 4: This was the nineties. Jimmy Butler would have been rolling

568
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 4: right bolls, Nick, We would I seen Eric Spolstra hanging

569
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 4: off of somebody's leg. Come on, this is not nineties basketball.

570
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 4: This was just an ugly, ugly game. But I as

571
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 4: to win for the Heat.

572
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the next score just fourteen in the fourth Quarterly

573
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: Tims was actually pissed with the free throw difference. Miami

574
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: show a lot of them, thirty nine. I think in

575
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: the game next only had sixteen, and it was really

576
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: bad in the fourth quarter thirteen to two for the

577
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: Miami Heat. But was this reminiscent of nineties basketball to you?

578
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: Did it make you miss the nineties?

579
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 5: Well? I took a similar angle as Tray there. I

580
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 5: thought more about the visuals, and I thought, can you

581
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: imagine Charles Oakley if he saw of the other two,

582
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 5: Alonzo Morning or Larry Johnson wearing those uniforms. I mean

583
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 5: imagine what he would say pre game, postgame. And then again,

584
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 5: as you point out with the Jimmy Butler. Imagine Charles

585
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 5: Oakley was the one who kind of got into it

586
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 5: there with Jimmy Butler and he's rolling on the ground

587
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 5: trying to like fool the refs. Imagine Oakley after the game.

588
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 5: But also just Alonzo Morning in those tighter uniforms. That

589
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 5: just just doesn't feel right. But in terms of a

590
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 5: grind it out at the end of the game there,

591
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 5: you know, a tight game, only a one or two

592
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: possession game really at the end, and the Heat pull

593
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 5: out the victory. That to me felt like nineties basketball,

594
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 5: just like a tough, tough, dirty, grimy win, exactly what

595
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 5: the Heat needed against their rivals. So they're in a

596
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 5: playoff race with as well, So there were some of

597
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 5: those elements there. And you had two guys who took

598
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 5: at least fifteen free throws too from the Heat and

599
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 5: Butler at a Bayo. So there were a ton of whistles.

600
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 5: And you know as well that if pat Riley was

601
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: on the Knicks still, you know there would have been

602
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 5: some they getting their home cooking down there in Miami.

603
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 5: You know, wait till they come back up to New

604
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: York and we get we get the referees on our side.

605
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was an important couple of wins here

606
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 5: for the Heat, in fact, three in a row now,

607
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 5: just doing what they need to do, just get those w's,

608
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 5: build them up, and now I think they're only a

609
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: game back of the Knicks actually in boy in the standing,

610
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, it was. It's fun though. It's fun

611
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 5: when you can sort of look back at a score

612
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 5: where both teams failed to score one hundred, because it

613
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 5: doesn't happen all that often these days.

614
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: It does not. You know, it's not the nineties. Two.

615
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: When you find out that Miami only made twelve two

616
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: pointers in this game, oh wow, fewest in franchise history.

617
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: That's crazy. So it was always mostly coming at the

618
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: line or from three point land wild game. But Jim

619
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: and Jimmy and Jim, Jim, Jim and Bim, they took

620
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: over in this game because it wasn't pretty. But there

621
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 3: was a big stretch with those guys did all the

622
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: scoring until sort of hero the hit a jumper in

623
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter or so, yeah, Jimmy back in there

624
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: helping the Heat get in some of these much needed victories.

625
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: Like Ley said, final one, the Dallas Mavericks guys have

626
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 3: stopped playing the national anthem before home games and do

627
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: not plan to resume the tradition to play the anthem

628
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: before games in the future. Mark Cuban made the decision

629
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: after consulting with NBA Commissioner Adam Silver so Lely, I

630
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: think you might be happy about this, because I know

631
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: you've talked about this in the past. But true or falsely,

632
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: other teams are going to follow Cuban's lead here and

633
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: stop playing the national anthem before games, true, and.

634
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 5: I hype happens very soon too. I really think this

635
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 5: is completely unnecessary to have the anthem before every single game.

636
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 5: They used to play the anthem before every game at

637
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 5: Summer League. You remember that when we're out there in Vegas.

638
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 5: It was like before Summer League games. It's just not necessary.

639
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 5: You just don't need it. Maybe once at the start

640
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 5: of the season, maybe once at the start of the

641
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: finals you can have the anthem. Other than that, it's

642
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: not necessary. We know that it causes a lot of

643
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Speaker 5: tension between some people who think you should be standing.

644
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Speaker 5: Other people like to kneel because of what it symbolizes.

645
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Speaker 5: I think just get rid of it. It's not needed,

646
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Speaker 5: and I think now that Markim's done, They've done this

647
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 5: sort of very quietly too. It was only just picked

648
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Speaker 5: up here by our own Tim Kato here at the

649
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 5: Athletic who had the scoop first there when he noticed

650
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Speaker 5: it wasn't played on Monday night. So I think it's great,

651
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: and I would like to see other teams certainly do

652
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: the same follow suit here as what the Mavericks have

653
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Speaker 5: done and just drop it. I just don't think you

654
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Speaker 5: need it at all.

655
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Speaker 4: What do you think, Trey arm with Lee? You definitely

656
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 4: don't need it. I don't see every team following Cuban's

657
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: lead here and eliminating the national anthem. But like y'all

658
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: are both saying, nobody even noticed that this was gone

659
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: until thirteen games into the season. The national anthem isn't

660
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: on TV every single night for every single game. It

661
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: is not an essential part of the production. It's going

662
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Speaker 4: to be up to teams if they decide to play

663
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Speaker 4: it or not. The only people who are going to

664
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Speaker 4: be mad or people who want to be mad at it,

665
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: and they're gonna be mad at that kind of stuff

666
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: no matter what. So uh, to me, it's it's completely

667
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 4: unnecessary unless it's an international competition. I guess maybe you

668
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: could make an exception when American teams are playing up

669
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Speaker 4: in Toronto. Obviously that's not happening this year, but we

670
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Speaker 4: you definitely don't need it, so I would not be

671
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Speaker 4: surprised if other teams follow his lead, but probably not

672
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Speaker 4: all of them. Some teams are gonna choose to continue

673
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Speaker 4: playing the national anthem, And sure, fine, I guess that's okay.

674
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Speaker 3: So right, let's hear from stream team on that one.

675
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Speaker 3: Listening to the podcast tweet at us at No Dunk

676
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Speaker 3: saying do you think other teams will follow Cuban's lead

677
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Speaker 3: here and maybe stop playing the national anthem? And also,

678
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Speaker 3: I mean I should point out the NBA seems fine

679
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: with it right now. They seem, you know, by all accounts, like, okay,

680
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Speaker 3: we're in the middle of a pandemic. You guys are

681
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Speaker 3: a complete control. Whatever you want to do for your

682
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: pregame you know, you know, uh when celebrations is the

683
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: wrong word, but pregame festivities or whatever activities. But what

684
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Speaker 3: will happen when we're back to quote unquote normal and

685
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Speaker 3: will the NBA be like, no, we're playing the national anthem?

686
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Speaker 3: And then will we have an issue then we'll we'll

687
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Speaker 3: see when we cross that bridge. What are you laughing about?

688
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 5: We're getting a few comments, pretty pretty good comments actually

689
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Speaker 5: from the stream to you here about you know, top

690
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Speaker 5: five U two songs. But Dan is right, they should

691
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Speaker 5: play Uptown Go before everything.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I could get on board.

693
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Speaker 4: Cool? Okay, I mean honestly, why.

694
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Speaker 3: Not exactly exactly?

695
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 5: People at least got to sing along and get into it,

696
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Speaker 5: have a bit of fun with it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, dance around a little bit. Maybe we just play

698
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Speaker 3: the cure Isaac. Every game will depressed. You know, why

699
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Speaker 3: is it anybody shimmying to this? Okay? The winds are

700
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Speaker 3: a blowing, guys. We got some trade rumors.

701
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Speaker 5: There.

702
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: Genie's all over it today, baby. Some rumors to address.

703
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Speaker 3: First one, According to Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer, the

704
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Speaker 3: Toronto Raptors are one of several teams interested in in

705
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Speaker 3: center Andre Drummond. Drummond will be an unrestricted free agent

706
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Speaker 3: this offseason. He has probably a limited trade market with

707
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Speaker 3: one year left on that deal, and he just sort

708
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: of came over, of course, from Cleveland, sorry, from Detroit

709
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: to Cleveland for a bag of beans, as we call it.

710
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: So let's address this room. I'll get us started here

711
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Speaker 3: at the Raptors angle, specifically with them. Do the Raptors

712
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: need a center that could grab some rebounds? Absolutely? You know,

713
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: it has not worked out well after losing Marcasol answered

714
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: Tobacca though, beans he's turned it on a little bit

715
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: here as of late. He has found his footing a

716
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: little bit. But yeah, could they use him Drummond? Yes.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, though I just cannot figure out a

718
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: trade makes any sense for the Raptors to acquire Drummond.

719
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Speaker 3: In fact, I think their best bet is the potential

720
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Speaker 3: of a buyot market. If you know, the Calves and

721
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 3: Drummond elected part ways here that maybe then they ad them.

722
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Speaker 3: Because unless you get a third team involved ley and

723
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Speaker 3: probably it would involve Kyle Lowry going to said third team,

724
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Speaker 3: It's a tough deal to try and make happen because

725
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: of the money that Drummond makes. The Raptors are not

726
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Speaker 3: including Siakam or Van Vliet or og in any Andre

727
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: Drummond deal. So to make the books work, you're talking,

728
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: you know, Norman Powell. Okay, I could see the Calves

729
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: actually having some interest maybe in him, Probably Banes, Pat

730
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: McCaw and Matt Thomas. We're like four guys to even

731
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Speaker 3: get there, and and like you know, the Calves are

732
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Speaker 3: not going to keep all of those guys. It's just weird.

733
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Speaker 3: A third team, maybe a fourth team even would have

734
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: to get in the mix here, and then maybe you

735
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: have something. But I just don't really ultimately seeing this

736
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Speaker 3: happen by way of a trade. Again, biomarket, possibly there'd

737
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: be a bit of a role for Drummond. He maybe

738
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Speaker 3: would be in interested in enjoying the Raps and having

739
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: you know, the minutes and the opportunity on a good team.

740
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Speaker 3: But otherwise I don't see a trade that can be done.

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Speaker 5: What do you think, Ly, Yeah, that's always the toughest

742
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 5: thing when you've got a guy who's just earning so

743
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 5: much money. I mean, do the Raptors want to give

744
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: up all those minor assets just to acquire him where?

745
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 5: You know? I guess they would obviously have to give

746
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 5: up Baines as well, just to make you give him

747
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 5: some room there. But you know, if long term he's

748
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 5: only twenty seven Andre Drummond, if the Raptors think long

749
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 5: term he could be something they want to keep on

750
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 5: their team, then perhaps, But even still when you're paying

751
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 5: the big money to Siakam and Van Vliet and Og

752
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 5: just got paid as well. I'm not sure how much

753
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 5: cap space they would have even to sign Drummond to

754
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 5: an extension. There so a few little issues. But also

755
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 5: the Calves. I mean, I know they've cooled off a

756
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: little bit, but they're playing probably better than they expected

757
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 5: so far this season. I'm just not sure they're ready

758
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 5: to just sort of considering where they've been, that they

759
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 5: would just give up on this season anyway and say, well,

760
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 5: let's just let you know, get trade in for pennies

761
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 5: on the dollar anyway, may as well write it out

762
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 5: while you can with him, I think, just for now,

763
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 5: and if things happen and you don't trade him by

764
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Speaker 5: the deadline, then perhaps you want to buy him out

765
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 5: after that if the cav season continues. The o South,

766
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 5: But I just can't see how it really fits with

767
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 5: the Raptors. I mean again, unless they give up Kyle Lowry,

768
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 5: which I just don't think Ujuri with my size Juri

769
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 5: would do. I'm just not sure that there is a

770
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Speaker 5: fit there contractually in the trade machine to make it work.

771
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Speaker 3: Trey thoughts on this Drummond rumor to the Raps specifically.

772
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 4: I do think that the Caves are going to end

773
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: up being sellers here. They've lost six of seven. The

774
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: schedule is really hard right now. They have outperformed expectations.

775
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: But it's a smart move to move a guy like

776
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: Drummond for something at the deadline, especially once you've already

777
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: made the move for Jared Allen. You're likely center of

778
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: the future, certainly more on the timeline with a Coro

779
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 4: and Sex and Garland. So I do think Drummond is

780
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: going to be on the market, which makes it tough

781
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 4: for the Raptors because, like you're saying, if I'm the Raptors,

782
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 4: I do that death pieces and picks trade for Drummond

783
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: in a second, Like I'm you'll miss the creation that

784
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: Norman Powell gives you no doubt about it. But all

785
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: those other guys, you're basically that's a bag of beans

786
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: again right there, unless you're throwing it in a pick.

787
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: But I don't think that the Calves would do that.

788
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 4: I think the Calves are the ones saying no, they're

789
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: because they're gonna be able to squeeze some teams for

790
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: Andre Drummond, because I do think he's going to be

791
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 4: in CONTENTI or or a hot name at the deadline,

792
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 4: because you look at the best teams in the league

793
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 4: right now, it's the Lakers who crush it inside, It's

794
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: the Sixers who have a massive guy in Joel Embiid inside,

795
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: it's Yannis inside as well. You need a big guy

796
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 4: to compete right now. I don't know that Andre Drummond

797
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 4: is necessarily the most lockdown defender as a center. I

798
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 4: don't know that he's a great rim protector, but he

799
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 4: cleans the glass and he's literally big, which helps. So

800
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: he's going to be in demand. JaVale McGee is going

801
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: to be in demand, but I don't think that the

802
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 4: Raptors have enough to offer the calves that's gonna beat

803
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: some other offers that are gonna be out there eventually.

804
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: That being said, the Raptors need to improve their center spot.

805
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: They're twenty first in defense. It's a rebounding rate. That's

806
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: where Drummond would be a massive improvement.

807
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's just how much do you want

808
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: to give up for a guy that you maybe can't

809
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: even play in a close game, you know, down the

810
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: stretch because of you know, issues at the line and

811
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: what he Yeah, he's he's he obviously cleans up the glass.

812
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: But I'm with you, Trey, he's not an elite defender,

813
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 3: rim defender and stuff like that. He has limitations. Of course,

814
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: teams would elect to leave him. I think at times

815
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: in a close game, Yeah, you don't want to mortgage

816
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: a future or anything like that. And then oh yeah

817
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: he's got to He's gonna be looking for a payday too.

818
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: So that's the fascinating part with him. So the rumors

819
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: out there, KOs, he's plugged in. He knows what's going on.

820
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: But we will see next one. Sticking with him. Tell

821
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: me if you've heard this before, Guys, Danny Ainge and

822
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: the Celtics may look to shuffle their roster ahead of

823
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: this season's NBA trade deadline. Yeah, according to KOC, guys

824
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: plugged in man. League sources have long said Boston is

825
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: searching for upgrades to bolster its wing and big man position.

826
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Speaker 3: Kaosi added that multiple executives around the league believe the

827
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 3: Celtics are up to something. So, Trey, Celtics possibly looking

828
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: for a wing big man? Do you have anything in

829
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: mind you believe this what KOC is reporting? Where you

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00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: go with this one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a scoop for you. The Celtics are

832
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: gonna try to be active, and they're gonna come very

833
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: close to acquiring all the big names, very very close.

834
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Speaker 4: But they do need a big guy. They're competition in

835
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference. It's Embiid, it's Yannis. Good luck finding

836
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: somebody to guard them on the trade market, obviously, Drummond,

837
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: could I guess, work his way here if there's a

838
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: if there's a buyout, or a whole bunch of pieces

839
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: thrown into the mix here. There are some other options though,

840
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 4: If Orlando decides to be a seller, could the Celtics

841
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 4: be interested in Vucevic. That's the guy I would maybe consider.

842
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know that he's slow and down

843
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: Embiid and Yannis, but he's a solid, big guy. He's

844
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 4: a twenty and ten kind of guy. I could see.

845
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: If the Magic decide it's over, we got to completely

846
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: start rebuilding. That's fair. Some other guys I would take

847
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: a look at. If I'm Danny ainge lower on the

848
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: totem pole. Yonis Valanciunas. They're in Memphis, just had humongous game.

849
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: Steven Adams in New Orleans I don't know if you

850
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: consider PJ. Tucker a big guy.

851
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: He's vent I loved the one.

852
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I do too. PJ. Tucker is fair and

853
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: I think he would be very good on the Celtics,

854
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 4: but I don't think he necessarily addresses the problems they

855
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: would have with him beating Giannis. I mean, he's still

856
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: giving up six inches to those guys.

857
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah he is. But I love it. I mean, I

858
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: just love the idea of having basically the bigger version

859
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: of Marcus Smart in a version of Marcus Smart on

860
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: the same team. I like him. I mean, it's obviously

861
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: I would be a super aggressive I think I've found

862
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: the nets too. I'm trying anything to get PJ. Tucker,

863
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: but I hear you, he's still obviously a much smaller

864
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: guy than those giants that you're saying. Celtics got some

865
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: things to work with here. I know we make fun

866
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: of Danny Inge, but maybe not ultimately doing anything with

867
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 3: them Lee. But they have a twenty eight point five

868
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: million dollar player exception, the largest in NBA history. They

869
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: have all of their future first round picks, and they

870
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: do have some prospects that they've guys they've drafted that haven't,

871
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 3: you know, obviously been around for a long time in

872
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: Langford and he Smith and stuff like that. So they

873
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: could put something together, I think to go get one

874
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: of these wings or big Man's. Would you agree with.

875
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, I mean Vucevich maybe not, But I think

876
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 5: they could get Aaron Gordon then from the Orlando Magic

877
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 5: as a wing perimeter guy is not quite the sort

878
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 5: of centerpiece that perhaps they're looking for, but an athletic guy,

879
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 5: another one to sort of pair along with Jalen and

880
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 5: Jason there might help them. Just get that guy out

881
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: there and say listen, we need you out here to

882
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 5: defend and you know, run the floor. He's athletics, so

883
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: I think I think he's definitely available. Anyway, I think

884
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 5: the Magic would be more than happy to make a trade.

885
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 5: And if they could do it with that trade exception,

886
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 5: then you know, then the Celtics wouldn't have to give up,

887
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 5: you know, necessarily in any of their young pieces back

888
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 5: in return. So there's a few options out there. But

889
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 5: it is always funny when the Celtics are rumored to

890
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: be considering a move, because more often than not, it's

891
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 5: like they just didn't quite work for them, you know,

892
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 5: they want everything, Danny Ainge. I respect the fact that

893
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 5: Danny Age always just wants everything in return for are

894
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 5: you a pittancy from what he'd have to give up

895
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 5: to get those players or those draft picks? So he

896
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 5: tries doesn't always work.

897
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 3: Final one Bleacher reports Jake Fisher. He reported on Monday

898
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: that a cohort in the Clippers' front office is ready

899
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: to move on from Patrick Beverly. Fisher also noted that

900
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: the Clippers have made it widely known that former six

901
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: Man of the Year winner Lou Williams Sweet Lou is

902
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: available as well. So Beverly and Lou Williams, if you

903
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 3: want them, league can go and get them from the Clips.

904
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, I'm not surprised that Beverly's available.

905
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 5: I think the Clippers would be happy to move on

906
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 5: from me. He's injured right now. But Lou Williams a

907
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 5: bit of a surprise. But he's having a pretty bad season. Actually,

908
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 5: Lou Williams. His minutes are down really significantly, down to

909
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: only twenty a game, and therefore his scoring is down

910
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 5: as well, down to ten points a game, which is

911
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 5: very very low for Lou Williams. He hasn't been that

912
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 5: low since he was back with the Atlanta Hawks back

913
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 5: seven seasons ago. So I thought Lou Williams remember a

914
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 5: couple of seasons ago when they pushed the Warriors. They

915
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 5: took two games off the Warriors in the first round.

916
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 5: He was awesome. I think he's so important to them

917
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 5: coming off the bench. He's a leader, he's a scorer,

918
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: but it almost feels like, you know, he wasn't really

919
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 5: very good down in the bubble either, and he didn't

920
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 5: really he spoke out about what he saw from Paul

921
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 5: George and Kawhi Leonard. So I think he's almost just

922
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 5: to hold over from that former era the Clippers, and

923
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 5: he's probably looking for a new destination as well. And

924
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 5: I think the Clippers are sort of showing that as

925
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: well by playing him less. So I think he can

926
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 5: get both of them. I think Patrick Beverley, I don't

927
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 5: really know what his value is. I mean, he has

928
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 5: those games where sometimes he's very good defensively and he

929
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 5: can be the three and D guy, but there are

930
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 5: other games where you know, too many silly fails. He's

931
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 5: always fighting with the refs, and I'm not sure that

932
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 5: he brings all that much value actually out on the court.

933
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 5: I mean, he likes to talk it up, he likes

934
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 5: to get into the scraps with the other team mate

935
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: the other opponents. But I'm not sure it's actually that effective.

936
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 5: So I think you can get Patrick Beverley pretty easily.

937
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 5: I think he could get Lou Williams, but it'd cost

938
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 5: you a little bit more. And I think he still

939
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 5: has something to offer a team as well coming off

940
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 5: the bench. We know he can still score. It's just

941
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 5: he's not doing it right now.

942
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: For the Clippers, you're a higher on Lou Williams and

943
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: Patrick Beverly at this point in their careers.

944
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 5: That's a little I mean, but what do you really

945
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 5: get out of Beverly?

946
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: I just we know what you get out of them.

947
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: You know what guy is going to play at least

948
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: hard defensively, and well, yeah, he still hit a three

949
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: point shot. I mean, louis getting a little washed at

950
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: this point. I thought, yeah, look, look there's never a

951
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: great defender and now we can't score all that, Well,

952
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: then he's basically a nothing player.

953
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, but kend of is it that he can't score

954
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 5: or the Clippers are just kind of phasing him out.

955
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 5: I still wouldn't I still wouldn't. I mean Lou Williams

956
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 5: at the end of the game. I'd still rather have

957
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 5: him on the court than Patrick Beverly. I mean, obviously, yes,

958
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 5: Patrick Beverly a more intense defender. Lose not a great defender,

959
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 5: but big Lose is going to hit some shots still,

960
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 5: I think. But I think they're both. They're both probably

961
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 5: on their way by the looks of it.

962
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: Well. As we've talked about it before, the Clippers would

963
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: love to get their hands on a Kyle Lowry I think,

964
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: and plug them in as their point guard in a

965
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: playoff run. I don't think Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams, what zubots,

966
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 3: what else you got to throw in there? Maybe they

967
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: got nice draft picks, Yeah, no picks like don't see

968
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: missilea Jerry want to do that, Trey?

969
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

970
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 3: What do you think though, of rumors at least of

971
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: Beverly and Sweet Lou being available?

972
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 5: I buy it.

973
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: Since the summer, the story around the Clippers has been

974
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: that they want another point guard who can create and

975
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: set up their stars and Paul George and Kawhi Leonard,

976
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: and it has been Kyle Lowry has been the name rumored.

977
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: It's obviously hard to get in there to the Clippers

978
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: because of the moves they've made in the past, but

979
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: they've been wanting to upgrade their point guard position for

980
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: a long time. They brought in Reggie Jackson last season.

981
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: He seems to be getting the bulk of the minutes now.

982
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 4: Beverly and Lou Williams both seem to be almost part

983
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: of the old Clippers at this point. With the way

984
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 4: things went down at the end of last season with

985
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: Doc Riffers leaving to the Sixers, it kind of felt

986
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: like perhaps La was moving on and maybe that will

987
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 4: be the case here because likely saying they both can

988
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 4: be effective in their roles. I think Patrick Beverly kind

989
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: of gives a little bit more fuel to the opponents sometimes.

990
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 4: I think having him out there can be a benefits

991
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 4: to your team. If he's trying to get you riled

992
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: up and he takes himself out of the game, I

993
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: think that happens a lot. Lou has been struggling. Maybe

994
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 4: if they're playing on a team where they have bigger roles,

995
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: more important roles, they're able to reinvigorate their careers and

996
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 4: give some team a little bit of a playoff push

997
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 4: or something like that. But the Clippers could certainly upgrade

998
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: over those two guys, upgrade over Reggie Jackson. I wouldn't

999
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 4: be surprised to see him make a move for another

1000
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 4: guard out there. But there's still gonna any big guy inside,

1001
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't necessarily want to put Zubach in the trade.

1002
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: He's gonna be a player that some teams are interested in,

1003
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 4: and if the Clippers are trying to make a move,

1004
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 4: but yeah, you gotta have somebody big who's gonna handle

1005
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 4: Nikola Yoki, who's gonna try and guard Anthony Davis, who's

1006
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 4: gonna give you a little bit at umfin side. Serge

1007
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: is an offensive player at this point in his career.

1008
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 4: He can help you defensively. But they need a couple

1009
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 4: of little pieces here. So yeah, moving Patrick Beverley, moving

1010
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: Lou Williams, maybe that's a way to improve your team.

1011
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 4: All right.

1012
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: Well, if you see a juicy NBA trade room or

1013
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,680
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1014
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: tweet them in at No Dunk's Ink or email him

1015
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,120
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1016
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: got a fun little top five for you. In a second, here,

1017
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: but first a final word from our sponsors. All right,

1018
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:12,200
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1019
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1020
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,200
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1022
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1023
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1024
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1025
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,320
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1026
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,520
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1027
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Speaker 4: To top five, Top five, tom By Top Fine top five.

1028
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: Yes, my top five NBA Gregs to celebrate International Greg Day,

1029
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: which of course was yesterday. At number five, it's Greg

1030
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: Oster Tagg doumblone. Played eleven NBA seasons, whist all of

1031
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: them with the Utah Jazz, and you would know that

1032
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: just by looking at him. I led the playoffs in

1033
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: total blocks and fouls one postseason and Shack I think

1034
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: once slapped him. Yeah. So there he is, big old

1035
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 3: Greg awes Man haircut.

1036
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 4: You can set your watch too, that's right.

1037
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: That's right, Okay. At number four, it's Greg Odin, Yeah,

1038
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: number one pick in two thousand and seven. Honestly, it's

1039
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: got one of the most depressing basketball reference pages you'll

1040
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: ever see. He played just over one hundred games and

1041
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: it features like four did not play injury knee seasons

1042
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: like on that page. No want to know something even crazier.

1043
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 3: Greg Odin just turned thirty three. Wow, may its wild

1044
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: number three. It's Greg Monroe.

1045
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, moose.

1046
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: Big guy played for the Pistons and the Bucks and

1047
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: the Suns and Celtics and the Raptors. He was all

1048
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 3: rooked in twenty ten eleven, and his best year probably

1049
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: was his final season with the Pistons, when he averaged

1050
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: sixteen and ten. The Moose made seventy five million dollars

1051
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: over his career. Oh yeah, not bad. That actually shocked me.

1052
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: I didn't think he'd be that high.

1053
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 4: So he was like the number one free agent when

1054
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 4: you right when he signed with the Bucks, it's like, whoa,

1055
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 4: the Bucks are back. They got Greg Monroe.

1056
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: That's real at number two over the guard Greg Anthony. Yeah,

1057
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: former Nick point guard, twelfth pick of the ninety one draft,

1058
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: the Grizzlies first pick if you remember this, in the

1059
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: Expanse expansion Draft, and his best season there was in Vancouver.

1060
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 3: He averaged fourteen and seven, got a lot of minutes

1061
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 3: there joining the Expansion Grizzlies. He's obviously an analyst now

1062
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: and he's the father of NBA rookie Cole Anthony. Unfortunately

1063
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: Greg Anthony didn't name Cole Anthony Greg two because that

1064
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: would have been really good. But number one on our

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Speaker 3: NBA Greg's. Come on, it's obvious it's Greg Popovich. Greg's

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00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: so Greg, he put two g's in it. One of

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00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: the gregst and greatest coaches of all time, the ultimate Greg.

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00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: We raise a glass of veno to Greg. So apologies too,

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Speaker 3: Greg Steamsma Cadillac, Greg Anderson, seventy eight Bullets Champ, Greg Ballard,

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Speaker 3: Greg Buckner, and two time NBA Champ, an inventor of

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00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: a wonderful children's toy, Greg Kite. The top five Greg's,

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Speaker 3: Did I miss anyone? I mean, I was almost had

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00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 3: Steamsman in there. I had to go with Oaster tag.

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Speaker 4: I was a big the original Greg steams my Oaster

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00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: tag I big. No. I think you nailed it. I

1076
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 4: think those are the top Gregs. And you honestly blew

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00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: my mind putting Greg Popovich number one.

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00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 3: The last G in his name?

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00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: You think that stands for Greg as well.

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00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: Gregg, I hope so I hope somebody asks him that.

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00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: That's for sure.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it would love to be asked that question during

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00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 4: a game.

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00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, pick them results from last night. It was

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00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: the Philly sect down game. Philly was favored by five

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00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: and a half and they got it done in the end.

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00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: They won by what they win by eight? Right one?

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00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: Nineteen one to eleven? I think it was in the

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00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: end final score. So I had that right, Trey had

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00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: that right, Tass had that right. Ley, Yeah, you pre

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00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: swerved on that one. You had the Kings, you got

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00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: the l and you're two and five. No, Trey, we

1093
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: thought was having like you, well, he was technically having

1094
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 3: the worst month you could possibly have starting zero to five.

1095
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: You guys are tied now in last place at two

1096
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: and five. Task with three and four on four and three.

1097
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: Tonight's game Cleveland in Denver. We got a big line here.

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00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: We don't have these big lines usually, but Denver favored

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00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: by nine and a half. So Trey will go to

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00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: you first. Who do you like in the Cavs Nuggets

1101
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: game tonight? Yeah, a tough one.

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00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: It's a tough one, but who cares I'm going Leels

1103
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: on this one. No, it's a strange to see. It

1104
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 4: is such a big line. Both teams are really struggling.

1105
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 4: Both teams need a win, but that's a big line.

1106
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 4: Give me the Nuggets. I think I'm gonna go with

1107
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: the Nuggets on this one. I don't know. They need

1108
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 4: a win more, need to win more, and they're gonna

1109
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: want it an eleven points worth ten points worth even.

1110
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Ley, what do you think?

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00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've gone the same. I think the Nuggets have

1112
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 5: just got too much. The Caves just struggling a little bit.

1113
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 5: I mean, the Nuggets almost have to win this one convincingly.

1114
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 5: They just need a good win. So I'll take the

1115
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 5: ten point Nuggets victory.

1116
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 3: Okay, my gut says Task is going to agree with

1117
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: you guys, which means I would love to swerve. I

1118
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 3: would love the opportunity to swerve off everyone here. So

1119
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: I'll take the Calves plus nine and a half. But

1120
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: let's find out who Task is ultimately picking.

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00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 4: Ooh, this is a tough one.

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00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: Both teams need a win, but I'm not a Calves

1123
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: believer like Leah's, so give me the Nuggets blowout.

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00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he thought I was gonna swerve that.

1125
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: Yes, nice swerve.

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00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: I'm happy with this. I'm very happy with this. I'm

1127
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 3: the only one taking Cleveland plus nine and a half.

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00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: Everybody else has Denver winning that game by ten points

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00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: or more. So good luck.

1130
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 4: All right?

1131
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, no tweet of the night. We did the top

1132
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: five gregs and so it was a really fun show

1133
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: though packed a lot in there. We'll be back to

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00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,080
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Speaker 3: No Dunks merch at No dunks dot com. Speaking of merch, tray,

1143
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: I see correct me if I'm wrong. I believe you're

1144
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: wearing a car heart sort of crew neck there today.

1145
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 4: That's right confirmed.

1146
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: I wasn't dreaming that those those NBA car heart hats

1147
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 3: do exist. I saw you tweeting about them a lot

1148
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: of people responded to me and like, oh, here it is.

1149
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 3: They look pretty cool. Yep, got one in the mail, buddy, Wow,

1150
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: you already bought one.

1151
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: Well, Sally Kirby coming through. I got a birthday coming

1152
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: this month, I said, Mama, Mama, I mean a new hat.

1153
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 4: All my friends on the internet savings are very cozy. Honestly, Mommy,

1154
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 4: we call her podcast The Classic Factory.

1155
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: Really need to wear a car hard hats honestly incredible.

1156
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: You know. I sometimes think my mom loves me, And

1157
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: then I realized, no, not nearly as much as Sally

1158
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: Kirby loves her Trey Kerby. Oh my god, I love it.

1159
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: I love it. Okay, So I can't wait to see

1160
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 3: the hat. Which one did you end up going with?

1161
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: Because I know there's like three different styles or something

1162
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: like that.

1163
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went with the cleanup. I went with the

1164
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 4: cleanup here, which I think is the unstructured dad hat

1165
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 4: with a fabric bat. The MVP is the structured dad

1166
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: hat with the velcra strap. And then there I forget

1167
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 4: what the flat bill like a large crown one is called.

1168
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 4: That one looked the most like a hard hat. So

1169
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: I was a little interested in that but I had

1170
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 4: to ultimately go dad with it.

1171
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Lee, if you were to get one with an

1172
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: NBA logo on it, these car hert hats, which I

1173
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: can't believe are a real thing, which team would you

1174
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: go with?

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00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 5: Well, wouldn't I just get the NBA logo? Just yeah, yeah, exactly.

1176
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: That wasn't that Rob low right for the NFL one?

1178
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

1179
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 3: It looked like an official up there.

1180
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I guess you would.

1181
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 3: You would just get an NBA one.

1182
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: Okay, they had them for the NHL, and there was

1183
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 4: one that was just celebrating the original six teams. I

1184
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 4: love that one. I just like the first six teams.

1185
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 4: And that's it.

1186
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,480
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1187
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1193
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1194
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Speaker 4: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

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Speaker 4: love you guys awesome, thanks for joining us, and remember

1196
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 4: when Lee swerves and the pick and payoff, He's swervest Ellison.

1197
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 4: Thanks to Zingy star Fox for that one.

1198
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 3: Embrace the day people, you.

1199
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: Could stay oh every day.

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00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 6: And and you happy every minute.

1201
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: It's been so long that you're the fun.

1202
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 4: A way for.

1203
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Speaker 1: It's happened already.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be gravy.