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Speaker 1: our Monday Colin Coward Podcast. Bill Polian, Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: got two quarterback thoughts. Number one, the story broke when

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Speaker 1: I was on the air Friday at Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: and FS one. The Niners moved up to number three

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Speaker 1: away those picks to draft an offensive lineman or a receiver.

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Speaker 1: They're taking a quarterback. Listen, Jimmy ge Keeping him makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's win win. If he does stay healthy, which he

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Speaker 1: rarely does, San Francisco's gonna win games and his trade

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Speaker 1: value goes up. You could move him at the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: or keep him and just keep winning and give the

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Speaker 1: Era apparent think Mahomes and Alex Smith a year to

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Speaker 1: figure out the complex Kyle Shanahan system or Jimmy g

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Speaker 1: Inevitably gets hurt, you have an elite quarterback talent you

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year by sea almost no

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Speaker 1: dead money, so it rodya win win. You keep Jimmy

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Speaker 1: G around. You got a lot of options now. If

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Speaker 1: he's healthy, you win games, You stick with him. You

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Speaker 1: If he gets hurt. You've got the guy behind him,

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Speaker 1: September with New England and San Francisco, my second quarterback thought.

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Speaker 1: There's already been multiple stories they'd like to move off

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Speaker 1: more willing to take a quarterback, even though they don't

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Speaker 1: need one, because Matt Ryan's more than capable. Just to

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Speaker 1: Rule is a very smart offensive coach and the owner

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Speaker 1: flushed out everybody, including capable Ron Rivera. He flushed out everybody.

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Speaker 1: He's impatient, he wants to win. He's not waiting another

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Speaker 1: year for a quarterback. What does this mean? Keep your

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Speaker 1: eye on Sam Darnold. He's the opposite of Teddy Bridgewater.

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Speaker 1: Matt Rule got frustrated with Teddy Bridgewater's lack of athleticism

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Speaker 1: and his lack of arm strength. Darnold's a bigger, stronger athlete,

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Speaker 1: so you can build around him and don't have to

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Speaker 1: that roster. By the way, Carolina went heavy on the

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Speaker 1: good for darneld All right, we bring on Bill Polian

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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl rebuilding the Colts. He was a

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Speaker 1: great Cup champ. He was a six time NFL Executive

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Speaker 1: gonna go to seventeen games. Doesn't surprise you, doesn't surprise anybody,

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Speaker 1: That's the problem. If he's the incumbent quarterback and he's

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Speaker 1: like two of old school patient this era? First of all,

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Speaker 1: they can put up decent numbers. But until the third year,

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Speaker 1: Bill Pollian, you're a curious guy. You're always adapting and

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Speaker 1: learning things. Even now as a podcaster, and Belichick has

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Speaker 1: they didn't work. And when Belichick goes out and spends

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Speaker 1: Very talented guy coming off a poor year. Also some

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Speaker 1: your what was your world view? Bill? On? A talented

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Speaker 1: bad season Number one and for reasons many of which

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Speaker 1: Because they assumed that Philip Rivers would be the quarterback

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Speaker 1: And if it's Trey Lance, he's taken sixteen at the

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Speaker 1: at some point we'll gamble that these all these draft

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Speaker 1: That's what that you're looking at. Worse in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, but there are certain organizations

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Speaker 1: you had a better feel for bill. Were there positions

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Speaker 1: A lot of it has to do with system fit.

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Speaker 1: And that's different than someone who runs a power attack

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Speaker 1: that they need an investment on offense. Let's segue Bill

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Speaker 1: Go back to Peyton's Tennessee volunteer success. Was it like

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson BYU Bill. If you look at if you

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Speaker 1: look at the history of the league, Bill, not a

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Speaker 1: lot of skinny quarterbacks who win big. You take a beating.

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Speaker 1: It's a muddy pocket. He didn't beat the best teams

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Speaker 1: he played in college. He's not a thick kid. Is

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Speaker 1: that nonsense or does any of that matter? Kidn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind that historically, and you can go back

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Speaker 1: twenty five thirty years, however long you want to go back. However,

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Speaker 1: many quarterbacks are drafted in the first round. Fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of them fail. So if you draft four, two we're

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Speaker 1: gonna fail. You draft one, two we're gonna fail, or

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Speaker 1: two rather one is going to fail. So as you

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Speaker 1: look at quarterbacks, you have concerns. I loved Teddy Bridgewater,

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Speaker 1: and there were people on our scouting staff we said

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Speaker 1: be careful. He's thin. He's kind of a ready guy.

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Speaker 1: You know this is an injury risk. Well look what happened.

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Speaker 1: R G three injured in college, great rookie year, what

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Speaker 1: everybody expected him to be, including me, and then boom

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Speaker 1: the negos, and his career is essentially over. So you

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Speaker 1: worry about things like that. You're absolutely correct. The quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: take a beating in this league, and each and every

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Speaker 1: year they take more of a beating because the defense

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Speaker 1: is getting more sophisticated and more powerful and more able

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Speaker 1: to get people free rushers to the quarterback. So you're correct.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you find a quarterback that's not prototypical

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Speaker 1: in terms of girth, that's a concern. Trey Lance not

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Speaker 1: a lot of starts. He is in a He's in

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Speaker 1: kind of the Alabama of his level of football. They

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Speaker 1: did ask him to call protections in college. Humble kid,

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Speaker 1: big size, jumps off the tape. He is a big,

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Speaker 1: strong athlete. But you look at the starts. You know

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Speaker 1: Parcel's old rule. He got out so many stars. I

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Speaker 1: covered a Keiley Smith and Oregon Bill. I would have

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Speaker 1: been anything. He would have succeeded. He could move, he

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Speaker 1: had a beautiful arm. He threw a catchable ball. He

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Speaker 1: picked up Oregon's complex system and it didn't work. He

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Speaker 1: didn't have enough starts. Trey Lance, Are you worried about

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Speaker 1: how little he's played? Absolutely, because I subscribed to Parcel's

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Speaker 1: axe um just as you could do thirty starts win percentage,

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Speaker 1: you know. But I don't wish the kid ill North,

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Speaker 1: though I wish Mitch Trubisky ill. I'm glad that he

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Speaker 1: landed in Buffalo, and I'm glad that he has a

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Speaker 1: sabbatical year to work with Brian Dable and work in

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Speaker 1: an offense that suited to his talents. But we need

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Speaker 1: to admit, as we analyzed the Football League draft that

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Speaker 1: when it comes to quarterbacks, we have unfortunately become the NBA.

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Speaker 1: We are drafting one and done based on physical potential alone.

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Speaker 1: That's it. And they're so valuable because it's true that

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Speaker 1: unless you have one of those elite quarterbacks are close

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Speaker 1: to elite, you're probably not going to win the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl or even get there. You know, of all the

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Speaker 1: fifty five Super Bowls, the overwhelming majority have been won

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Speaker 1: by elite quarterbacks. So you need that guy. And people say, okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll roll the dice. The numbers tell us we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere near a quarterback who has less than thirty

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Speaker 1: starts at the collegiate level. That there's you know that

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Speaker 1: there's a high propensity for failure. There the heck with it.

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Speaker 1: If he looks like he has the talent, go ahead

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Speaker 1: and make the pick. And that's what's occurred. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's the NBA one and done. Take a chance. Let

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Speaker 1: me go to Mac Jones. My concern is this. He

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Speaker 1: didn't trail in the second half of any game at Alabama.

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Speaker 1: It's the Matt Liners issue. He never got touched. He

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Speaker 1: had four NFL offensive lineman in front of him. He

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Speaker 1: has the best coach, he has a schematic edge. His receivers,

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Speaker 1: I mean, good god, the last two years, look at

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Speaker 1: their receivers. They're at the top of the first round.

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Speaker 1: He had a great running back in Nauji Harris. That

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Speaker 1: is not an NFL experience. The windows are big at Alabama,

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Speaker 1: they're tiny in the NFL. You trail, you have to throw,

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Speaker 1: you don't throw it because you are on play action

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Speaker 1: in second and two. I look at Mac Jones and

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Speaker 1: I say to myself, if you look at the division winners,

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks who won their divisions last year. None of

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Speaker 1: them went to college powerhouses. Tannehill at Texas, A and

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Speaker 1: M's the closest thing. It's Miami of Ohio, It's cal

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Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, it's you know, it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: these North Carolina states because those guys the college experience

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Speaker 1: is they're not thrown to NFL receivers, they don't have

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Speaker 1: great protection. They get the hell beat out of them.

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, Boston College. You start looking around the league,

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Speaker 1: I worry that Mac Jones has lived a comfortable existence.

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Speaker 1: To Alabama and the NFL quarterbacks is all about your

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Speaker 1: ability to deal with discomfort. Your thoughts on that. Well,

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Speaker 1: Matt Bryan put Boston College on his back and carried

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Speaker 1: them to two outstanding seasons when he when he was

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Speaker 1: playing there, and there are others that have done that

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Speaker 1: as well. That's what blue chip players do. They raised

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Speaker 1: the level of everybody around them. I don't worry about

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones a heck of a lot from a competitive

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Speaker 1: standpoint or from a intellectual standpoint, because from what I

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Speaker 1: hear from friends at Alabama, he's tops and all of that.

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Speaker 1: I just worried that if there's any deficiency. It's that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the biggest arm in the world and

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Speaker 1: then can comminently he's not a great mover. If he

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Speaker 1: was a great mover, you can make up for average

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Speaker 1: for having an average arm, Joe Montana being the prime

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Speaker 1: example of that. But he's not that. He's not a

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Speaker 1: mover and his arm is probably you'd probably say it's average.

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Speaker 1: So you worry a little bit about that. But intellectually,

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Speaker 1: character wise, work wise, poise, I don't have a worry

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Speaker 1: in the world. What were the differences between first second

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Speaker 1: year Bill Polian running the Bills. Go back and look

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Speaker 1: at your career at the end to the beginning in

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Speaker 1: terms of the draft. Did you view it differently mistakes

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Speaker 1: you would have not made young Bill versus old Bill. No,

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Speaker 1: didn't do it any differently at all. Uh. It's still

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Speaker 1: the number one way to procure talent. And for us.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote Norm Pollam, who was my first

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Speaker 1: boss in Buffalore. He said, there's only two things that

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Speaker 1: count in this game, getting good players and coaching them well.

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Speaker 1: And that's still true today. Nothing has changed. What's changed

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Speaker 1: is the salary cap, but that doesn't that doesn't really

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Speaker 1: impinge on getting good players and coaching them, well, you

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Speaker 1: have to have to replace them earlier. What's changed is

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Speaker 1: obviously the media coverage and the amount of money that's

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Speaker 1: involved in the game. But at its core, the draft,

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Speaker 1: player acquisition, construction of squads remains the same. Now, obviously,

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Speaker 1: the longer you're at it, the better you get at it.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're you're you're see things with a wider

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Speaker 1: a lens. So that I was able to sit down

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Speaker 1: with Tony Dungee having never been exposed to Tampa two before,

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Speaker 1: spend a week with him, learning everything about Tampa two,

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Speaker 1: and then being able to draft players that absolutely fit

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Speaker 1: that system that everybody else thought were midgets and you know,

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Speaker 1: would never play in a National football league, but we were.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were able to figure it out. So

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Speaker 1: that the experience helps there, but the essence of it

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Speaker 1: has never changed. You know, as we get close to

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Speaker 1: winding this down. A couple of years ago, the Colts

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Speaker 1: Chris Baller drafted Quentin Elson, a guard at a Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: and many people said, listen, that's that's pretty high for reguard.

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Speaker 1: But he was an overwhelmingly dominant prospect. Have you went

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Speaker 1: and looked at film. It was cartoonish. It was like

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Speaker 1: a dominant high school player. And I look at Florida

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Speaker 1: tight end Kyle Pitts. I don't think I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: a tight end prospect this athletic. I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't put him at a receiver at half the snaps?

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Speaker 1: Do you subscribe to the There are certain positions you'd

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Speaker 1: rather not draft in the top ten because tight end

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Speaker 1: and interior lineman. You know, you see it and if

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Speaker 1: people knock you for it, if you do it, well,

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Speaker 1: let's put tight end aside for the moment. In Nelson's case,

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Speaker 1: I've never been a big proponent, nor has tony of

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Speaker 1: of drafting guards, except if the guy has a chance

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Speaker 1: to be John Enna, which is obviously what Quentin Nelson

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Speaker 1: has a chance to be. It is on his way

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Speaker 1: to be. So you pulled the trigger on that anytime

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Speaker 1: you have to, because you, again, good players are what

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Speaker 1: makes teams good. With the tight end. Pitts is not

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Speaker 1: unlike at the college level what Dallas Clark was it on,

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Speaker 1: and we drafted Dallas Clark in the first round. He'll

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Speaker 1: go higher because he's had more exposure. Pitts will Dallas was,

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Speaker 1: you know, down in the lower third, I think. But

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Speaker 1: he can play attached, he can play in the slot.

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Speaker 1: You can use him outside one on one as we

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Speaker 1: did with Dallas, and you get a mismatch in each

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Speaker 1: of those three places. Um, he's not a great blocker.

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Speaker 1: Dallas was a better blocker than he I think. But

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Speaker 1: it's just a function of the kind of offense that

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Speaker 1: Dallas played in versus versus what Pitts played in. And

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Speaker 1: so the answer is he's a game changer, So why

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Speaker 1: not draft him? Now? You don't try to make it

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Speaker 1: make him Hankinson, you know, don't try to make him

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Speaker 1: Mike did, because you can't do that. You know, use

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Speaker 1: his skill set the way he plays best. But that's

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Speaker 1: what coaching is. And you can be sure Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: would do that. Bill Polly, and you know how much

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Speaker 1: I admire you. You have your own podcast, it's called

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Speaker 1: Inside Football with Bill Polly, and it drops every Friday,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to drop a couple of episodes April

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Speaker 1: second ninth highlighting draft prospects, and you'll kind of outline

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Speaker 1: how you set up a draft board, then go position

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Speaker 1: by position and rank the best players. Do you miss

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Speaker 1: that part of it. What was your favorite part of

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Speaker 1: the draft other preparation, setting up the board and then

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Speaker 1: actually operating it on Draft Day. Sure, I miss of

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Speaker 1: course I missed Sunday game day. I missed the bus rides,

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Speaker 1: in the plane trips, and I certainly missed the preparation

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Speaker 1: for the draft. I'd be lying if I said otherwise,

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Speaker 1: you don't miss the calls with the agents. I do not.

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Speaker 1: I kind of knew the answer to that one Bill

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Speaker 1: discussion as a salary cap. Yeah. Bill, it's a pleasure,

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Speaker 1: continued success. I've always You've taught me more football than

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Speaker 1: almost anybody on this planet, and I just I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you stopping by. Thanks colin it, thanks, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. All Right, that was Bill Polian.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I got significantly smarter, which, as we

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Speaker 1: all know, is virtually impossible. All Right. I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the podcast. At the Volume Sports, Twitter and Instagram,

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