1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. The Ravens have 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: concluded their mini camp and off season practices and it 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: was a successful mini camp here in Baltimore. I'm Ryan 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Mink joined by Garrett Downing, and we're gonna give you 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: our takeaways from Mini Caamp, both from big picture kind 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: of narratives and then kind of the players that stood 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: out to us most during these three practices open to 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: the media. 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: And so Garrett, let's kick it off with. 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: The man that everybody came into Mini Caamp talking about 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: and leaving OTA's talking about, and that's Lamar Jackson. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: He's a man that everybody's always talking about at all 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: times at OTA's Mini camp during the season. That's always 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: a point of conversation exactly. 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: So I thought Lamar had you know, he was here 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: every day, obviously he was mandatory Mini camp. He was 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: here every day, and I thought he had a good camp. 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: I thought, definitely Thursday he made some really nice throws. 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: Wednesday he heated. 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Up in my opinion, over the course of camp. He 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: had a there were some interceptions. He threw back to 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: back interceptions on Tuesday. Roquan Smith got a one hander 23 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: on them, and Arthur Malett got one in the end 24 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: zone also. But I thought over the course of the 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: three days, it was a successful camp for Lamar and 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: he and he made some really good throws on Thursday. 27 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Lamar looked pretty good. I mean, I 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: agree with you, you got better each week. And then just 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: in terms of the practices of many camp, Tuesday and 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: Wednesday were a little bit higher speed than a little 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: bit more up tempo. Thursday's practice was the lightest of 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: the week. No helmets on Thursday, so I think they 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: dialed it back. You know, Thursday, it's the last day, 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: right before the long break. It's like you get to 35 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: that point healthy. It's like, you know what, let's just 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: take it easy today, Let's get through this, take the 37 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: helmets off. 38 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: It had a very much last day of school vibe 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, it was kind of like all right, 40 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: the teacher pops in a movie. 41 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: That quite that quite like that. 42 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was still fast tempo practice, like the 43 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: speed was there, but the helmets were all and yeah, 44 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: it was yeah, dial back. 45 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: I think it's very word back, just to touch. But yeah, 46 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: I thought I thought Lamar was good. I mean, I think, 47 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: you know, We had a chance to talk with them 48 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: on Wednesday just to kind of see where his head 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: is and his thoughts on where this team is, where 50 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: this offense is, and you know, he didn't really want 51 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: to give too much. You know, he was kind of 52 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: I would say, you know, reserved or bland in his answers, 53 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: like he wasn't giving away too many secrets, you know, 54 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: basically just saying, like, you know, on focus. He did 55 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: share that he's gonna plan to get together with his 56 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: receivers during this break here. But I think that I 57 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: think that this offense in the second year with him, 58 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: is under with him and Todd Munkins together, is poised 59 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: to take a nice step in an area that we 60 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: kind of learned this week that where the Ravens really 61 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: want to evolve. It like that's been a thing that 62 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 2: there's been a discovery of focus. Yeah, like the evolution 63 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: or that we only scratch the surface, and like it 64 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: just kind of these vague terms have been thrown around, 65 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: I would say over the course of the last few months. 66 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: One thing we really learned this week as an area 67 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: where they want to focus on is on the pre 68 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: snap stuff, you know, like the cadence things that you're 69 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: seeing at the line of scrimmage before the ball snap. 70 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: That has been a big point of emphasis for Lamar, 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: for Todd Malkin for the offense, and. 72 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: I think that was really a lot last year. Also, 73 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of check with mes, you know, changing 74 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: route combinations, changing the routes at the line of scrimmers. 75 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: That's just part of Todd Mounkins offense. So I agree 76 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: it seems to be an area of focus. I also 77 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: think it was an area of focus last season like that. 78 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: That's just a big part of what Todd is offense, 79 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: how it operates. Yeah, I think in year two, Lamar 80 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: just has better grasp of it. It's kind of it's 81 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: taking it to the next level, right and being able 82 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: to change protections you know better, more consistently, you know, 83 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: get into better runs, different just it's another level of 84 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: that kind of operation for the Ravens. And part of 85 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: it stemmed this week from we reporters saw a number 86 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: of false start penalties and basically the questions what's going 87 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: on with all the false starts, and then there's the 88 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: lap policy. You commit a false start, you take a 89 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: lap yep. And John Harball said that really the reason 90 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: for that is because they are changing up their snap 91 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: counts a lot in the cadences and doing a lot 92 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: in regards to that, and that's you know, you could 93 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: just say, all right, we're going on one, ready to hike, 94 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: hike every time, right, and you'd be fine. You wouldn't 95 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: have false starts and practice and all that. But they 96 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: are doing a lot of this cadence work even in practice, 97 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: and you got to get good at it and not 98 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: be jumping all you know, false starting and all that stuff. 99 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: And they're willing to live with those mistakes in practice 100 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: because it's practice. And that's that's what it's for to 101 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: get good at that stuff in games because it can 102 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: be a real weapon. And we've seen that Lamar has 103 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: a good pre snap kind of he can get them 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: the jump. He's pretty good at managing that part of 105 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: the game, i think even before this this season, even 106 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: last year and before. But the Ravens want to take 107 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: it to another level and big picture, they're just putting 108 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: more on Lamar's plate. You know, they've operated in this 109 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: system for a year, so Lamar has a better idea 110 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: of what he likes and what he doesn't like, and 111 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: he's vocal and sharing that. And last year it was 112 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: Todd Munkin doing a lot of talking and coaching and 113 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: this is how it's supposed to look and how it's 114 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: supposed to be run, and this is how you're doing 115 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: the checks. And now this year you get a little 116 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: bit more of Lamar talking and you know, it's less 117 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: teaching and more feedback in terms of Okay, here's what 118 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: I like and all that stuff. 119 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, I think the going 120 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: back to the cadence piece, like it really can be 121 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: a weapon, but it can also be a detriment if 122 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: you're not good at it. Like that can just be 123 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: there's nothing more frustrating. Everyone knows, Like there's nothing more frustrating. 124 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: You start to drive and all of a sudden, boom, 125 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: five yard penalty and you're sitting at first and fifteen 126 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: and you're just like you can't even get out of 127 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: the gate here. You know, like there's it's just so frustrating, right, 128 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: and so like you know, the Ravens are making doing 129 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: the work here in June to ensure that doesn't happen 130 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: in September and October fall starts of frustrating whatever. 131 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: Let's also you know, your field goal range, fall start 132 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: out of field goal range, any situation. I can't think 133 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: of a situation where I'm cool. 134 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: With the false start. Yeah, it's it's so frustrating. So 135 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: like they're they're working to get that, like that area 136 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: of the game, like the procedural aspect of things really smooth. 137 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: And that's and that's what these practices are for. Like 138 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: you talk about, like what are you learning and what 139 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: are you gleaning in these practices, Like I think procedural 140 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 2: stuff is something that in this type of a setting 141 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: that can be worked on, and the Ravens definitely spend 142 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: a lot of time working on that. Yeah. 143 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, we're not a value We're not here 144 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: to evaluate Lamar Jackson's play at OTA's in mini camp. 145 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: The guys a two time MVP. 146 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: I don't really care if you there's some you know, 147 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: picker do it. 148 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: It's not about that. 149 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: It's it's more about this stuff that we're talking about, 150 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: like him and what they can do in this offense. 151 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: In year two with Tom Munkin after a really successful 152 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: year one that fell short in the playoffs and kind 153 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: of fizzled at the end, and they've taken a hard 154 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: look at what the Chiefs did to them from a 155 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: blitzing standpoint. 156 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: From you know, John Harwall. 157 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: Even said on another podcast that they didn't really have 158 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: the runs to get into to counter what the Chiefs 159 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: were doing to them, kind of the blitz meeting runs right, 160 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: like they just they weren't there as an offense. And 161 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: John Harvel staffter the season, we were really scratching the surface. 162 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: Of what we can do. 163 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: And so now we're getting to the second layer of 164 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: the offense, right and getting beyond the surface level. And 165 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: that's an important development and Lamar isn't going to over 166 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: hype it and oversell it. 167 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: We're so early. 168 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: Training camp is going to be also really key in 169 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: doing that, and but I like the direction that it's heading. 170 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: Well, a really important piece of the offense with all 171 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: of this is going to be the offensive line. And 172 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: that was probably the biggest question coming into the off 173 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: season practices just from a change standpoint. You're replacing three 174 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: of your five starters from last year. You know, Ronnie 175 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: Stanley you know, went through the contract restructure in the offseason, 176 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: like he had a down year last year, So like 177 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: there's all this there's all this question all these questions 178 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: are on the offensive line, and really. 179 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: The only question isn't it center Tyl lind Bum's the 180 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: stud yeah thought. 181 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you know that, and you do know 182 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: that Ryane Stanley's going to be your left tackle. 183 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: Right but there's questions about his yeah, him helping exactly, 184 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: his ability to play at the level that he had 185 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: three years ago or whatever. 186 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: Totally. And so as I as the Ravens wrap up 187 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: their offseason workouts, I really don't have a great sense 188 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: of what the starting unit is going to be going 189 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: into the start of the season. Like, I still think 190 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: it is very much en up into air competition. 191 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: It absolutely is, And I think this is the most 192 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: critical thing to figure out for the Ravens because if 193 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: they're going to have troubles in twenty twenty four this season, 194 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be I think, because the offense lineh 195 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's the biggest question mark on the team 196 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: right now and the thing that I think could hold 197 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: them back from achieving their goals. Yeah, frankly, as we 198 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: look at it right now, because and John Harball, you know, 199 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: he wants that starting offensive line, you know, he said, 200 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: really you'd like at least four of the five kind 201 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: of figured out or have a good idea of who 202 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: those starters are by the time preseason games start. There's 203 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: not a ton of time, right it's a couple two 204 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: three weeks of training camp, two weeks really before preseason 205 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: games start. And and as we look at it now, 206 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: like you said, you know, I could handicap and say 207 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: I think these are kind of my favorites, and you 208 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: know what we're on the podcast, I might as well 209 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: go ahead and do that. You know, if I'm if 210 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now, I probably say vore 211 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: he's at left guard. The right side is a big 212 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: right side is a big question mark right now. I 213 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: mean I'd probably still give Ben Cleveland the edge at 214 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: right guard. 215 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: But fa lele, that's yeah, I mean, I'm you know, Josh. 216 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: Jones, does he take one of those spots a spot 217 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: in the starting lineup? It's my favorites are right now? 218 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: This kind of shows you, yeah, like if you're right, 219 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: and I just that's the sense that I get, like 220 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: I do not come out of this saying like look, 221 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: you know, coming out of it last year was kind 222 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: of like, hey, look it's it's clear at the left 223 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: guard spot, it's gonna be Sola and Simpson kind of 224 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 2: battling that thing out in training camp, you know that 225 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: kind of those guys seem to separate. To me, it 226 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: just feels very wide open, especially on the right side, 227 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: right tackle, right guard, And I don't think that left guard. 228 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: Vorhees maybe is the leader in the leader in the clubhouse, 229 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: but I do not think that's a sure bet at all. 230 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: Like it's it's still very much an open competition there, 231 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: and so like you have Andrew Voorhees, Sala, Ben Cleveland, 232 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: Roger Rosengard, Josh Jones, and Dania fall I think I 233 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: was seven guys basically competing for three spots there, and 234 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: and Pat McCarey. I think Pat McCarey is going to 235 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: remain as the sixth. 236 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: That was really the only insight, true insight that we 237 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: got from Joe d the Ravens offensive line camp. He said, yeah, 238 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: we still see McCarey as a super sub. 239 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 240 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: And so that's really the only kind of more concrete 241 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: development of the week. The rest, I think almost became 242 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: less clear during mini camp than it was at the 243 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: end of the OTA's I feel like I had felt 244 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: like I had a better pulse then than I do now. 245 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: Where you saw guys bouncing all over the place, players 246 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: who would you know, file Leilely had been really at 247 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: tackle and then he went to guard, as Joe d 248 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: said on podium, And yeah, Josh Jones has been everywhere, 249 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: and so I feel like I have less of a pulse. 250 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: On that now than I did a week ago. Yeah, Honestly, 251 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: like if the Ravens if the season started today, you know, 252 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: I think we might we could certainly come up with 253 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: the starting offensive line. But I don't even know that. A. 254 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: I don't know that we'd be right and be I 255 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: don't know that we'd agree on what that looks like. 256 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: And so I think that I just think that like 257 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: that is that is very much a question. It also 258 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: makes me wonder because we're having this conversation, like, you know, 259 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: do the Ravens end up adding somebody, you know, either 260 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: in training camp or between now and started training camp. 261 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: I think that's a possibility that exists. I mean, I 262 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: don't think that they've ever ruled out that possible. I 263 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: go back to like when we had Eric's Costas on 264 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: the podcast after the draft, and you know, they were 265 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: interested in the possibility of adding a guard higher, you know, 266 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: in this draft than they did and it didn't work 267 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: out that way. But maybe they go out there on 268 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: the veteran market and see if there's a guard that's available. 269 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: I think that that possibility still exists. And I also 270 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: I'm not like the guys who are here could still 271 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: end up winning those three spots. They I think that 272 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: they like the potential of those guys, but they're just 273 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 2: looking at everybody, and so I've got no idea how 274 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 2: this thing's going to get. 275 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: I think that they looked at OTAs in mini camp 276 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: really is an experimental phase in this offensive line competition 277 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: because you're not in paths. You're you really can't assess 278 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: on line plate not in paths, not very well. You 279 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: can make some determinations, but not very well. And John 280 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Harwall said that the competition really hasn't even started. It's 281 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: the true competition that's going to come in training camp. 282 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: And so I think to your point, I agree, they 283 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: still could bring in a veteran guard, but that will 284 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: be determined by how those guys are playing the first 285 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: week or two of training camp. That's when you want 286 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: to see somebody really emerge from the pack and grab 287 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: it by the horns, yep, and we'll see. 288 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I will say that I like about 289 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: the offensive line competition is that all those guys are 290 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: able to be out there consistently through through the offseason practices. 291 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: Like Angel where he is missus a year of football 292 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: coming back from the knee injury. He's out there every day. 293 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: That's that's a good sign. And you can go on 294 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: down the line. Bank Cleveland's had, you know, injuries and camps. 295 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's an interesting thing about Bank Cleveland and 296 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: just interject really quick, is that you know I thought 297 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: Joe d was insightful in that way. Basically, I think 298 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: they look at Bank Cleveland and say, look, every the 299 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: time this guy's had to play in a game, it's 300 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: been good. M right. The question is like stacking those 301 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: practices and improving as a player, not in games, you 302 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And like you want to see 303 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: him step and I think he's done that to a 304 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: degree at times. You know, you want to see him 305 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: continue to grow as a in practice and all that stuff. 306 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: But like there's a baseline that they're operating off of 307 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: with Ben Cleveland, which is when we've been in games. 308 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: He's been a gamer, you know, and and you just 309 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: want to see him now in training camp when the 310 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: Ravens come back, really ramp it up and and. 311 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: And grab it. Yeah, totally. So the other just continue 312 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: along the offense unless you had anything else on the line. 313 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: I think I'm going, okay, we're gonna hit we cover 314 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: that one, alright. Two other points on the offense that 315 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: really stood up, So sorry, no, I do have one. 316 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I am encouraged by Ronnie 317 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Stanley in the progress there. You're talking about guys being 318 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: on the field every day. That's a big deal for 319 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley, you know. I think getting his power back. 320 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: He was lacking power last year. He couldn't anchor, and 321 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: that was he was really almost playing with one arm 322 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: tied behind his back when he can't do that. He 323 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: I think he even told us that like I had kind 324 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: of changed my blocking style. Yeah, and I thought that 325 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: even over the course of OTAs, Like he had a 326 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: rough practice against a dafeo way one day in os 327 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: And I've noticed in recent practices, you know, this week 328 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: in mini camp, like all right, all right, Ronnie, like 329 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: nice block there, nice job. 330 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: Like I've been seeing. 331 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: I think he's stacking, and that's really good news because honestly, 332 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: getting a premier left tackle back and playing at that 333 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: level is critical for this offense in this offensive line totally. 334 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: An area along this offense that I think is going 335 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: to be rock solid is the tight hand group. Not 336 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: worried about that group at all. This tight end group 337 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: is maybe the best tight end group in the league. 338 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: I think that's you can make a very strong case 339 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: headlined by Mark Andrews and Isaia Likely. It was probably 340 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: the star of mandatory camp. I would say, guy's a freak. 341 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: He was a freak show. He was. He was everywhere. 342 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: I mean, the guy was making plays all over the field. 343 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean not just play just like eye popping, jawl 344 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: dropping Ravens former Ravens players in the sideline being like yeah, 345 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean. 346 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: One handed catches and multiple practices Odell who yeah, Likely 347 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: says I got this, Yeah, I mean. And also, like 348 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: Isaiah Likely, it's always kind of fun to see guys 349 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: who you they let their personality show more and more 350 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: as they get older, and like Likely to me, is 351 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: that guy like he he established himself last year. He 352 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: proved he's a good player. And now like he's got 353 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: kind of a fun, goofy personality and he is letting 354 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: he's letting that that that out during practices. Like he's talkative, 355 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: he's trash talk. He's celebrating guy's faces. 356 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's got the like the ball point and 357 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: drop yeah, the drop. 358 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: Oh, he's got that one down pretty good. He does 359 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: so like he's doing all that stuff, and I think 360 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: having fun out there. I thought he was probably like 361 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: the star of mandatory camp. And I feel really good. 362 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: And I didn't even mention Charlie Kohler. I thought, Charlie, 363 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: Charlie Kohler, another third year tight end, like has been 364 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: really good in these off season practices. He's added weight, 365 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: bulked up this offseason. He caught a number of passes 366 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: on Wednesday. I think he's a pretty good player. 367 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Garrett turns to me after Charlie Cohler catch 368 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: and start doing the feed me. Yeah, Charlie, I didn't 369 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: have that one on my bingo card at the start 370 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: of miny camp, but you gave it to me. 371 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was having a big day. He was. And 372 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: then I think right after that he caught a big 373 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: he caught like another big seam for like twenty five yards. 374 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: Like I told you. 375 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: Garrett's it was really big during Mini camp. Your two 376 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: moves for the feed Charlie Cohler side and the Nate 377 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: Wigan's seat belts trap, those are your two. 378 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: Those are my celebrations over in the media. Celebrations. Yeah, yeah, 379 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: I thought, uh when I think he. 380 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: Was Tyland Gotate Nate Wiggans on one route, I had 381 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: to unbuckle your seat belt. 382 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, that's true. But I always look good, Shade. 383 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: I just say I thought, uh, I thought, I just 384 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: think that this tight end group like Mark and Isaiah 385 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: are like dynamic pass catchers. I mean, Mark's a maniac Marks. Mark. Yeah, 386 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: he's still great Mark. 387 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: I mean like, and he had some really great He 388 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: had a great catch on Thursday, long one down the sideline. 389 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: Lamar. I mean it was a great through Lamar. Yeah, 390 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: put it in stride. Yeah. Mark. 391 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: The intensity, I mean, the thing about Mark is like 392 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: the intensity level never dials down. No, I don't care 393 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: if they don't have helmets oone it. I don't care 394 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: what the circumstances are. Mark is intense all the time, 395 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: and it's almost at another it's almost at a fevered 396 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: pitch this year. I mean, that guy wants to win 397 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl so bad. Yeah, you know, he's been 398 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: part of all these teams that have been really good 399 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: and they have done it, and so like nobody's more 400 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: competitive in practice than Mark Andrews. 401 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, totally and I and we've talked about like 402 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: that was all. Another big storyline was like, how do 403 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 2: you get Mark and Isaiah Likely really going in this offense? 404 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 2: Because they're both really good players and Isaiah like they 405 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: showed it last year when Mark was hurt. I'm encouraged 406 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: by that notion based on what I've seen from one 407 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: hundred percent Isaiah Likely this offseason. 408 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: A lot of this offense could run through these tight ends. 409 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you lose Odell Beckham Junior. But 410 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: like I mean, and I say it half jokingly, Odell, 411 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: who with Isaiah likely's one handing catches and they play 412 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: different positions. It doesn't act, but like, is what they 413 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: do all that different? I mean Odell really last year 414 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: was like a reliable catch guy who like you know, 415 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: still had the kind of the bursts to get loose 416 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, slant that he took for. 417 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 2: A touchdown against the Browns. 418 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: I think it was, you know, like Isaiah Likely is 419 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: an athletic freak, just like Odell Beckham Junior can make 420 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: some spectacular oh my god catches just like Godell Beckham Junior, 421 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: different positions. But I'm just saying, like you lose a 422 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: wide receiver like that, maybe the offense shifts more to 423 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: running through the tight ends because that's just what your 424 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: personnel is. 425 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that ton Munkin has been pretty 426 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 2: open really since he got here that you build the 427 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: system in part around the personnel. And you know, he 428 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: used more two tight end sets at Georgia because he 429 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: had two really good tight ends, and I think that 430 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: there's gonna be an element of that certainly in the Ravens' offense. 431 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 2: I think that I think that for fans who have 432 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: been wondering, can the Ravens find ways to use both 433 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely on the field together, the 434 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: answer is clearly yes based on what I've seen. 435 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree that's gonna be a major element. 436 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: And I talked to Isaiah Likely during Mini Caamp for 437 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: a story that'll be coming out next week, and he 438 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: said that he's really been focusing on learning like every position, 439 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: tight end, end, wide, receiver. That that's been a focus 440 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: of his this offseason is knowing everybody's job so that 441 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: he can get on the field more interesting. 442 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it's encouraging for him. And 443 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: the last point that I'll make on the offense before 444 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: we take a break and flip it over to the 445 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 2: other side of the ball, is I guess receiver. I 446 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: was gonna say two, it's gonna be two one. One. 447 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: I know. One is Derrick Henry is as good as advertised, 448 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: if not better. I mean the dude. Sure. Yeah. 449 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: Everything that everybody's saying, you know, like the work ethic 450 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: and all that stuff like this ain't Derek Henry season. 451 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: OT's a miniamp not being it AADs ain't Derek Henry season. 452 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: But he just like the impact that he's made on 453 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: coaches and teammates already, I think that is what's out 454 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: to me. I agree with that. 455 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: I think like what we're hearing from his teammates and 456 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: from coaches is more notable than what I'm seeing on 457 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: the field. 458 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: Like I don't need to see him stiff arm somebody 459 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 2: a safety, you know, in these OTA practices to show 460 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: them to the ground, like I've seen that plenty of times. Oh, 461 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 2: and you're not allowed to do that so well exactly, Like, 462 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, like, I'm not worried about I'm 463 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: actually not even worried about seeing that training camp. Like 464 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 2: I know he can do that in a game. But 465 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: based on what I'm hearing from everybody that like, this 466 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: guy is is passing every test and and and he's 467 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: got a Hall of Fame resume, and he's probably been 468 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 2: even better than advertised in terms of his work ethics, 469 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: attention to details, mindset, all that stuff that you don't 470 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: see on the field. He's really kind of over delivering 471 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: on that, right. 472 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: I One of the more noteworthy aspects with regard to 473 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: him came from Willie Taggert, who said that he was 474 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: nervous about how Derrick Henry would fit into the Ravens. 475 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: You know that out of pistol shotgun running style, they 476 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: do that a lot, and you know, they're not a 477 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: ton under there, not as much as a lot of 478 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: other teams in terms of under center like Tennessee operates, 479 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: and he wasn't sure how Derrick Henry was going to 480 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: fit into that and how seamless that transition would be 481 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: for him, and now he has zero concerns that it's 482 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: just working out very well well. 483 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: Derek Henry also said, basically, any team that played the 484 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: Titans over the last decade, you know, like the top 485 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 2: priority was just stop Derrick Henry. That was like the 486 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: number one thing the coach would write up on the board, 487 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: you know before the game. It's like, stopped every stop 488 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: Derek Henry. You know that's what everybody said, right and 489 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: coming here now being next to Lamar Jackson in the backfield, 490 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 2: he called it a breath of fresh air because he's 491 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: been the center of attention for so long and so 492 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: that's going to change, and I think that's going to 493 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: open opportunities for him, and I think that's that's Prey're 494 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: exciting for sure. 495 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: And then your last point on the offense real quick 496 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: with the wide receiver battle receiver. 497 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: I think it's a fun battle to watch. You know, 498 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: I think that you know, your your top three are 499 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: set in terms of kind of a depth charts standpoint 500 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: Invershon Bateman, Save Flowers, Nelson Aguilar. 501 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: Then your top four in terms of a fifty who's 502 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: making the fifty three man roster set with tes Walker correct. 503 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: Correct, but like I've been you know, friend the lounge, 504 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: Elie Hunningham, I think has had a really strong offseason. 505 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: John Harbaugh talked about him at the conclusion of Mini 506 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: camp and said that he looks like a natural player 507 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: out there, catches the ball well, looks like a natural athlete. 508 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: I think the Ravens are really encouraged by what they're 509 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: seeing from a league. 510 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: I also appoint to Sean Ryan, big six foot three 511 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: wide receiver, you spent last year on the Ravens practice squad. 512 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: I thought he had a very good Mini camp. One 513 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: of my. 514 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: Standouts, Tyler Wallace, had a strong Wednesday practice. There are 515 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: a couple drops sprinkled in there, but also it was 516 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: extremely active. Catching the ball shook Brandon Stevens on one route, 517 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: really shook him, drewol reaction from teammates on the sideline, 518 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: can get up and elevate and makes tough catches over 519 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: the middle. I thought Thailand had a good week as well. 520 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: And then even Dayton Wade, you know is undrafted rookie 521 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: free agent wide receiver who made some plays. I thought 522 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: the wide receiver that that competition for the fifth and 523 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: sixth spots is going to be a good one to 524 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: watching training kit. 525 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: I mean even as you can take you down the 526 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: list here kud hear Ishmael. Yeah, Kadrey's son, who was 527 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: a quarterback in college is now transitioned to the. 528 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: One wide receiver. Yeah, he made the transition. 529 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: He started as a quarterback, then transition to wide receiver, 530 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: so similar with Malake Cunningham and now. 531 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: Is kind of John Harwell said, almost in a wide 532 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: receiver slash tight end role, right, like kind of learning 533 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of both. And he sees him as 534 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: a big inside kind of guy. 535 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: He's big. I mean he's six foot si. I mean 536 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: you look at him. 537 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: You look at him and you say, man, if this 538 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: guy puts on some more bulk, like he could be 539 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: a great receiving tight end, you know. I mean obviously 540 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: he's developmental, right, I mean, he's he's got to. 541 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: Keep working at it. 542 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: And it's really the coolest thing with him, I think 543 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: is seeing him and Kadrey after practice, just father and 544 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: son talking, you know for ten minutes after practice and 545 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,120 Speaker 1: codre you could just see by his body language and 546 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: and hands and his motion that like he's kind of 547 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: get coaching him up, you know, like got Lye, Like, 548 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: what kind of dream is that for a dad? You're 549 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: just coaching your son who's out there practicing for the 550 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens who you played for. 551 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, also incredible. Kadri of course is still in 552 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: the media and so he's standing with the media watching practice. 553 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: But he's like, I have a feeling that most of 554 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: his attention is on those wide receiver drills. I know 555 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: who he's watching out there. I don't know. I don't 556 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 2: know if Codrey's taking too many observations from the offensive 557 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: line or defensive line work in these practices. I think 558 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 2: all the attention has gone. 559 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: Thoughts on the competition at wide receiver for the fifth 560 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: and six spots. 561 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: See what he says, Yeah, completely unbiased opinion, Yes, exactly. 562 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: So Yeah, I think I think that receiver competition is 563 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: is definitely going to be one that's fun to watch 564 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: in training camp, always is for those last couple of spots. 565 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: But I think the Ravens have some guys that are 566 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: coming on strong there. So the second quick break when 567 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: we come back, we'll flip it over you some observations 568 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: on the defense side of the ball. You're listening to 569 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: the Lage podcast. We're coming to you from the Sea 570 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: Geek Studio. We want to give a shout out to 571 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: our friends with Draft Kings sport Book. They are an 572 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens. They've got 573 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: a limited time offer running that you don't want to miss. 574 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: Download the Draft Kings Sportsbook app today. Use the promo 575 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 2: code flock. If you are a new user, you can 576 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: get a deposit bonus up to one thousand dollars. Again, 577 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: the promo code is flock only at DraftKings Sportsbook. For help, 578 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: visit Nbcamblinghelp dot org or call one eight hundred gambler. 579 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: You need to be twenty one years or order to 580 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: play and physically present in Maryland. All right, So on 581 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: the defensive side, you know, I think the thing that 582 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: stood out to me, and we were talking about this 583 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: before we started, like, the thing that stood out to 584 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: me is the secondary. Like the secondary to me, I'm 585 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: very excited about. I just think the secondary is going 586 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: to be excellent. I look through it. I think your 587 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: safety is assuming good health. Marcus Williams, Kyle Hamilton are 588 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: going to be great. You already know that because Williams 589 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: didn't have an injury this year. You told us. I know, 590 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: he talked on Thursday and he had no interest to 591 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: even bring up help. He had no interest in revisiting 592 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: his injury from last year. 593 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: Well, Kyle Hellens in the serious is dealing with the elbow. 594 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: You know, he had small elbow procedure, but he's expected 595 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: back for training camp. 596 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little clean up there. Not worried about that 597 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: at all. And I just think when I look at that, 598 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: when you have your cornerbacks Brandon Stevens, Morelon Humphrey, Nate Wiggins, 599 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 2: I like the guys on the slot. Pepe I thought 600 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 2: had a strong offseason. Arthur Maulette came in Minichamp, had 601 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: a really strong Mini camp. So I just I am 602 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 2: really excited about the quality of the secondary. I think 603 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 2: it's going to be great. I think it's gonna be 604 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: one of the strengths of the team. So I'm fired up. 605 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to zoom out a little bit and say 606 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: I feel good about the defense as a whole coming 607 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: out of Mini camp, and obviously with the departure of 608 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, you know, Zach Orr incoming coming in as 609 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: the first year defensive coordinator. There's a lot of questions 610 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: about can the Ravens defense be as good as it 611 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: was last year and play up to the stand that 612 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: it has for a long time, And of course you 613 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: had the departures of Patrick Queen, j Davion, Clowney, Gene Stone, 614 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: so a lot of pieces missing from the defense. I mean, 615 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna be just fine. Coming out of mini camp, 616 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: the defense looks good. I am not worried about it, 617 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: and of course there's still a long way to go. 618 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: They have more things to figure out. But it's it's 619 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: really if you if I didn't know that Mike McDonald 620 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: was gone in Seattle and whatever, I'm just looking around 621 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: the sideline, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know the difference. Like, 622 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: can you watching the Ravens defense you know that there's 623 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: a different coordinator? 624 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: No, I think no, not at all. I think the 625 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 2: defense is gonna be really good. Honestly. Like the way 626 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: that comes into play to me, and we're not going 627 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: to know that until the season is just how games 628 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: get called. 629 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a lot more than to 630 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator obviously, and I know you know this, 631 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: and then calling games but I'm just saying, like from 632 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: an operations standpoint, from like an intensity, the way they 633 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: kind of play the game, what it looks like, the 634 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: how multiple it is, that all looks the same to me. 635 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: The defense, the defense doesn't change. The scheme is just 636 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: is the same. Of course you put your fingerprints on it, 637 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: but like it's the same system. 638 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: Now. 639 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: They's had the best defensive league last year, So like 640 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: you don't need to throw anything out really, Like can 641 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: you just can you keep doing that again? Yeah, exactly, 642 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 2: So it's like it's not a situation where you need 643 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: an overhaul, clearly. I just think that, like I think 644 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: the defense is gonna be really good and I and 645 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: I think that Zach Orr has been somebody to I've 646 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: been impressed with since the time he was here as 647 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie. Like, I think that Zach is a 648 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: great is on a great track and could be a 649 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: great defensive coordinator. I just think the question is, like 650 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: it's going to be how he calls games, and I 651 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: think that that's what I'm most intrigued to see. 652 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: Well, what I'm the first indications are that he's going 653 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: to be a pretty aggressive play caller. Yeah, you know, 654 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: and T Martin talked about it. Uh, you know, they're 655 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: getting a lot of looks, a lot of blitz looks, 656 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: exotic stuff coming from everywhere. 657 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: A lot early and often. Yeah. 658 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to sit here and say that 659 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: Zach Orr is going to be the second coming of 660 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan or mc martindale and he's just send the 661 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: house all time. But I think he's going to be 662 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: a pretty aggressive play caller. I think he was even 663 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: today knows players talked about he was an aggressive player. Yeah, 664 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a aggressive play caller, you know. 665 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: And I asked Kyle Veny about that. He said, what 666 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: makes you say he was an aggressive He's an aggressive guy, 667 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: you know, and he get after it. He has that mentality, 668 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: I think, you know, But on van Noy's point, you know, 669 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: he also made he also made sure to stress he's 670 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: going to be aggressive, but he's going to be smart. 671 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: And I think that goes to your you know, it's 672 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 2: not like the Ravens under Mike McDonald were not a 673 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: blitz heavy team, and I wonder, you know, did they 674 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: tick up under under Zach Maybe a little bit. 675 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: Think it's anything super drastic, but I would say, early 676 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: indications give me the feeling that could go up a 677 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: little bit. 678 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And Underwink they were like the most they were 679 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: the most splits team. And so I think that under 680 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: the probably fall somewhere in the middle between those two guys. 681 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: As my guess was, Zach, I would agree with that. Yeah. 682 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: And and even when you're talking about what the losses 683 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: that the Ravens sustain this offseason, I think from a 684 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: personnel standpoint, I feel good about it. I feel really 685 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: good about what I've seen from Trent and Simpson and 686 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: his ability to step in from Patrick Queen. He has 687 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: been tested a lot during mini camp and his coverage skills, 688 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: and he's gotten a lot of tough assignments against these 689 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: Ravens tight ends that we just got done saying might 690 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: be the best tight end group in the league. Trent 691 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: and Simpson's been called up upon and he has lost 692 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: a number of those battles, but they have been very 693 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: tightly contested and he's won some, you know. And so 694 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: I've been really impressing then and run covered Jesus, been 695 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: flying all around the field. It's also fun to hear 696 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: Roquon coaching him up, pumping him up gassing them up, 697 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: like during plays, like I hear Roquon yelling doring plays 698 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: to Trenton and communicating and you know, like he's Roquan 699 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: is his biggest cheerleader and feels really good about Trenton, 700 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: and that because me, I feel better about Trenton hearing 701 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: from Roquan, and trent just looks good. So I feel 702 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: really good about his ability to step in for Patrick Queen. 703 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: So far from what I've seen, I think Ardarius Washington, look, 704 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: you know who is the top contenders step in the 705 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: Gino Stones shoes has had a strong off season session 706 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: here too, and then Jadevion Clowney. That's kind of more 707 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: of the question mark. I like what I see from 708 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: Tavis Robinson, but David A. Jaba is gonna be a 709 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: big part of that equation in offsetting the loss of 710 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: Jenevion Clowney. And he's still doing positional drills, so we 711 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 1: haven't really ended Lisa Isaac the third round. Rookie hasn't 712 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: been practicing, hasn't practiced since Rookie Minicamp with the tweaked tam string, 713 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: so that is still more of a question mark. I 714 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: like Milee cam I'm going to just go on record 715 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: that like Mie cam. 716 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: Is well, he made the team last year's an undrafted rookie, 717 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: so that gives you anavigation of what the Ravens thought 718 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: about him last year. 719 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's in like g I Joe shape this season, 720 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: Like that guy looks like he's in great shape. So yeah, 721 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: I think that that position group and replacing Cloudy is 722 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: a little more inconclusive at this point, but overall, I 723 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: feel really good about their ability to replace those guys 724 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: who left too. 725 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: Just to run through the injuries. You mentioned a job. Oh, 726 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: he should be back at some point full go during 727 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: training camp. I think the biggest question probably on the 728 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: injury front, in addition to a job it was Marlon Humphrey. 729 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: He practiced on Tuesday. He's been in and out over 730 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: the course of off season work, and he did not 731 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: practice on Wednesday and Thursday, and so John Harbaugh said 732 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: on Thursday that the expectation is that he'll be good 733 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: to go for training camp. Did not give any indication 734 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: as to what exactly the issue is, just that it's 735 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: nagging things. Of course, Marlon last year was basically on 736 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: and off the field the entire season. With a variety 737 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: of different issues starting with the foot in training camp. 738 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 2: So hopefully that's all resolved by the time the team 739 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: comes back for training camp. But that I think is 740 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: kind of one of the bigger questions on the injury front. Hamilton, 741 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: we mentioned had the elble procedure, no real concern there 742 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: should be back, you know, full go at the start 743 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: of training camp and then gess Isaac, you know kind 744 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: of we'll see hopefully he's back. 745 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: Carries one kind of question mark out sending question mark. 746 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,959 Speaker 1: He left practice early on Wednesday and didn't practice Thursday. 747 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: Right, so we'll see Pat carries the guys. Yeah, I'm 748 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 2: not I'm like, never worried about that. I know, I 749 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: know exactly I'm with you on that. So just to 750 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 2: conclude here, we want to give you guys three different players, 751 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: three players each who really stood out to us over 752 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: the course of Minnie camp. We'll see if there's overlap there. 753 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 2: I put down some extra ones just a case those overlap. 754 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: Oh all right, you're cheating, a little, Okay. 755 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: But go ahead and came. I feel like we're gonna 756 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 2: have one that at least that is that is Doug exactly. 757 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: We both have here you both had that, so I'll 758 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: claim that who else you got? I put Arthur Mollett two. 759 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: That's why I end as well. Okay, okay, I'll tell 760 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 2: you an interesting story I had. I had a conversation 761 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 2: with Arthur Mulllett after practice on Wednesday, and I said, 762 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: because not only was he making plays, but he was 763 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: he was active out there. He was really chatty. He 764 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 2: was you know, there was fans that were out there 765 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 2: and he was like playing to the crowd a little bit. 766 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: And like, this was a guy who I felt like 767 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: last year was pretty reserved and quiet, and so you know, 768 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 2: I made that point to him. I just said, like, man, 769 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: you're you're active out there, and he's like, I gotta 770 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: be Like year two, I feel way more confident. I 771 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 2: feel like I'm going to really take it to another level. 772 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: This year. Just felt like he's like last year was 773 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: just like you're in a new team. You got to 774 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 2: make the team, you want to establish yourself. You gotta 775 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: feel dealing with the injury and training camp. Yeah, he 776 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: kind of get you know, you got to feel things 777 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 2: out and all that stuff, and he just feels like, 778 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: you know, you got the extension. This offseason feels like 779 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: the defense is going to be really good, and he 780 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: feels like he's going to play at a super high level. 781 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 2: So I think he's like super confident and optimistic about 782 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 2: the season. 783 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: He was a turnover king yeah, to a force fumble 784 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: and recovery yep. And an interception on Wednesday. He had 785 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: an interception on Tuesday in the end zone or no, 786 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: maybe those were on the same day. Yeah, they all 787 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: kind of blend together. And then he did drop one, 788 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: dropped one and immediately did the push ups. He did 789 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: the push ups. He did the push ups. He's scrappy, dude, man. 790 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: I'll bet on Arthur Molett ten times out of ten. 791 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 2: Yep, who's the third one that you had on your list. 792 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: I've got Travis Jones defensive lineman. I actually think that 793 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: the Ravens defensive line. Of course, justin Mattabee Gay returning 794 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: is a huge deal. Guy had a good practice, good 795 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: practice series of practices during mini camp. But I think 796 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: that the progress of Travis Jones and Broderick Washington are. 797 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: Important. 798 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: I think that those are storylines to watch. This is 799 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: going to be a really good defensive line. Those guys 800 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: are on the up and up. I mean Michael Pierce 801 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: hasn't been practicing, yeah, and Travis Jones slimmed down. 802 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: Pierce is another guy we did not mention on the 803 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 2: injury front. He should have. He did practice on Tuesday, 804 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 2: did not practice Wednesday and Thursday. So again, I don't 805 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: know that that's something necessarily that's caused for concern, but 806 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: he's another one early in training camp to watch in 807 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 2: the injury front exactly. Travis Jones has really been taking 808 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 2: those snaps. 809 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: And Travis Jones is leaner, he's lost some weight, he's 810 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: a little bit fast, they're a little bit more explosive 811 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: and as strong as ever. I mean, I think teammates 812 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: have called him the strongest guy on the team. He's 813 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: a player. He could be in line for a breakout season. 814 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: And I think Broderick Jones again another guy wh's in 815 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: fresh Washington. 816 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Brodick Botching. 817 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: Then another guy who's in really good shape, and I 818 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: think last year wasn't as productive as the year before 819 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: for him, and he's signed the extension last offseason. 820 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 2: I think that he could be in for a rebound 821 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 2: year all right. And the last one for me that 822 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 2: I had was Marcus Williams. I thought he was kind 823 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: of all over the field. He's He's also another guy 824 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 2: that like to me as leader. You can feel the 825 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 2: difference in the defense. I think when he's on the field, 826 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: I just thought he was you know, he batted away 827 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 2: a handful of passes. I thought it was a good 828 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: camp for Marcus and I think that you know, he 829 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: doesn't want to talk about the injury. We all saw 830 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 2: it last year, but I think that he's going to 831 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 2: be a sore for a really good season. YEP, I 832 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: agree with you. 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