1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Hi, this is jac O Utah. Welcome to the Philly Show. 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: Rubin Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd z Alecki. Hey everybody, 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: it's the Philly Show. It's Thursday, January eighth, two thousand 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: and twenty six. 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: How are you guys? 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Outstanding? 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 3: Just terrific, fantastic. 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 4: Finally got some a little break in the weather, which 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 4: was nice. 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: I did see it up, did you. 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 4: I did tee it up with some good friends with 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 4: Winter Homer, Steve Kotzy. 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: He took us down to Great Bay down there in 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 4: outside of Ocean City, and while the Greens were running nicely, 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 4: I had a great front nine, bad back nine. 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: That's all right, you got out there. 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 5: Overall I was front nine plus. 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: It felt like it. 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: It felt a little like spring training, like if the 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: weather's warming up, weather's warming up. 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: Well. 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: The Phillies had some news this week, guys. Of course, 24 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: we were talking about this Monday morning on the show, 25 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: like Don Manningly, it's gonna be right around the corner. 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: Sure enough, Monday morning, the Phillies announced that Don Manningley 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: finally hired. 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: As bench coach. JT. 29 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: Real Muto, of course, is still a free agent. We'll 30 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: talk about that in a bit, but yeah, Don Mattingly. 31 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: In October they announced that Mike Cleachery would move out 32 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: of the bench coach job. 33 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: He's now the Major League field coordinator. 34 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: Dave Dombrowski said at that press conference that he wants 35 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: he wanted Rob Thompson's bench coach to be somebody with 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: managerial experience, and then Jim first reported the Philly chose. 37 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: Jim Sliberry first reported in November that the Phillies were 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 2: eyeing Don Mattingly and then it kind of went quiet, 39 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: right Don said, I don't really know if I want 40 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: to do it. And then you knew what was happening 41 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: at the winter meetings when Dave Debraski goes somebody, I 42 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: think it might have been Tim Kelly. 43 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: Is there an update in the bench coach ubbies? 44 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Don Manningly is the guy we want, and you 45 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: know not we're not the finish line yet, but at 46 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: that point you knew it was it was going to happen. 47 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: His contract needed to expire with the Blue Jays on 48 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: December thirty. First, they announced it on Monday, And what 49 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: do you guys think of this hire? 50 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: I like it? 51 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 6: I mean there's a lot of ways you can dive 52 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 6: into it, but he he was the only guy they 53 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 6: had eyes for. He's the guy that Dave Dobroski wanted, 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 6: and you know they got it done, and that delay 55 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 6: was about just letting his contract with Toronto run out. 56 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 6: You know, it's a cool story with his son being 57 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 6: the GM, but the important reason he's here is they 58 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 6: think he can contribute and try to get them over 59 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 6: the hump. Rob Thompson really seems very comfortable with it. 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 6: It's funny like sometimes when you got a new lieutenant 61 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 6: and he's got a pretty advanced resume, you know, you 62 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 6: get a little uncomfortable, a little uneasy little you look 63 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 6: over your shoulder. It's like Charlie when they brought in 64 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 6: Jimmy Williams. I don't think he was ever keen on that, right. Rubin, Well, 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 6: you're awfully, but. 66 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 4: I think that had other there are other reasons, yeah, 67 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 4: but you're right, you're right. 68 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 6: So and you know Dave Dombrowski had that quote a 69 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 6: couple of years ago. 70 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: At the Winter meetings. You win with stars. 71 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 6: You know, he likes his pitchers with Velo and he 72 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 6: likes his roster to have stars and he like, I 73 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 6: think he really wanted a star on that coaching staff, 74 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 6: and Rob Thompson kind of alluded to that with a 75 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 6: quote he had about, you know, our big league staff, 76 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 6: We've got a really good big league staff, but you know, 77 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 6: in terms of big league playing accomplishments, not anything close 78 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 6: to Don Mattingly. And then he also said Don's going 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 6: to be a great sounding board for our players and 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 6: our stars, and that really resonated with me that I think, 81 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 6: you know, maybe he helps Bryce Harper, you know, mid career. 82 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: Become elite again. I'm sorry about. 83 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 6: And you know, I think there were some questions in 84 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 6: the clubhouse last year maybe or over the last few 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 6: years about you know, not a lot of big league 86 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 6: playing experience in that coaching staff, some rumbles maybe from 87 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 6: some disgruntled corners of the clubhouse. 88 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: That won't happen. Now they can say we've got. 89 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 6: A nine time Gold Glover and MVP of Batting Champion, 90 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 6: guy who should be in the Hall of Fame. But 91 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 6: all of that is secondary. This is the guy they 92 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 6: think can help then put a winner on the field 93 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 6: and keep a winner on the fields. 94 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: So many things to unpack with Don Manningly, not just 95 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 4: his playing career and his instant credibility as a baseball person. 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 4: But he was an ex manager, did a really fine, 97 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 4: fine job I think with the Miami with the Miami 98 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 4: Ball Club, with the Marlins when he was there, sort 99 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: of a learning experience for him. 100 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 5: When he was in LA. 101 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: He's got a great relationship with Rob Thompson. Takes a 102 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 4: lot of balls for Rob Thompson to hire a guy 103 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: like this, as you loaded to Jim, because you could 104 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 4: be a guy that might take his job. I mean, 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: you have to have some guts and you have to 106 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 4: have a lot of confidence in yourself to hire a 107 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 4: person on your staff. 108 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 5: And really want he really wanted him. 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: A guy that might at some point take his job, 110 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: even though Don Manningley doesn't alluded to the fact that 111 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 4: he didn't. Really he's done managing. I think he wants 112 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 4: he's doing what he's wants to do as far as 113 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 4: being a someone to aid that manager. Uh, manager B 114 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 4: I guess you could call him. And I just think 115 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: that as you said, I think the instant credibility, the 116 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 4: fact that he has. 117 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 5: Done what he's done in the. 118 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: Game, and I really don't think this has anything to 119 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: do at all with his with his son. 120 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 5: I don't think this is a hire that has literally 121 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 5: has nothing new. 122 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: If Preston Manningly was not on the staff, right, this 123 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: guy that they would that they would target. 124 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 7: Because of the relationship that Bob Thompson has with him, 125 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 7: because Dave Dombrowski, as you said, knows how important it 126 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 7: is to have stars, and it just adds a quality 127 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 7: to the staff. And it was interesting to hear what 128 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 7: Rob Thompson had He said when he was asked in 129 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 7: the press conference that he made some different decisions. 130 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 8: During the course of the playoffs or during the course 131 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 8: of the season if he had young guy like Donnie 132 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 8: Manningly in his ear, and he said, maybe maybe he 133 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 8: would have given me a different perspective on things, and 134 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 8: maybe I would have made some different decisions. 135 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 4: So all really good things positives across the board. The 136 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 4: only thing I'll say about this is a few years 137 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 4: back when we had a nepotism rule and I wasn't 138 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 4: able to hire my dad. 139 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 5: I wish I could have done the same, but I couldn't. 140 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 4: Different regime, obviously, But again, this is a hire not 141 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: has there anything. 142 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 5: To do with nepotism. 143 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 4: This is about getting the best quality person on the 144 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: staff and to add to what I think is already 145 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: a really, really strong major league staff. 146 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: I think they're trying to tighten everything up that they 147 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: can possibly tighten up. 148 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: And obviously you go into every off. 149 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: Season you don't you want to tighten up everything, right, 150 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: but there were questions about some of the in game 151 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: decisions in the postseason. So we're going to take somebody 152 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: who's managed a crap ton of games in the big 153 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: leagues Dodgers Marlins, who's coached in the big leagues under 154 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: Joe Tory, He's had he had a Hall of Fame career, 155 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: like like we believe, we all believe he should be 156 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. And so you put that 157 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: guy next to Rob Thompson, maybe some decisions are changed, 158 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: are different, like Rob Thompson acknowledged, and also Jim, as 159 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: you mentioned in the quote from from Rob. 160 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: Was. 161 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: You know, we don't have that guy, you know, because 162 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: as great as our staff is, we don't have that 163 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: guy who's been a star in the big leagues. 164 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: He should be in the Hall of Fame. 165 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, what it came time to 166 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: me that Donnie might be available, I said This is 167 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: the perfect guy. I know him, I know the integrity 168 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: of the analogy has I know how detailed he is. 169 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: Plus he's a great sounding board for our players and 170 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: our stars because he's been there. So he used the 171 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: word stars twice, once referring to Don manningly once. 172 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. 173 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 2: And so, as you mentioned in Jim jumped out at me. 174 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: Jumped out at me too, because there were some some 175 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: disgruntled corners of the clubhouse who you know, you know, 176 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: none of these guys, you know whatever, one of these guys. 177 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 5: No, they never lived this life. They've never played in 178 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 5: the big leagues. 179 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 3: They never played in the big leagues. 180 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: And so I can't say that anymore, although I think 181 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 4: Cesar Ramos. 182 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: Oh he did, yeah, Tampa Bay. 183 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 6: And so you know, you have the leagues, the big leagues. 184 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: You know, Caleb pitched in the big leagues. 185 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: But the point being, though, is that now you tighten 186 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: up maybe the in game decisions by having a guy 187 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: with an amazing amount of experience. You get rid of 188 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: any little griping that might be going on in the 189 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: clubhouse because you can go, oh, that guy right there, 190 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: the Hall of Famer. Okay, you want to talk to 191 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: him about what what what I just talked about in 192 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: the meeting or a drill or or PFPS or whatever. 193 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 3: The case may be. 194 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 2: You can talk to Don Mattingly if you don't want to, 195 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I think it tightens 196 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: up a lot of those things. And Jim you asked 197 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: the question as well. I thought that this is interesting. 198 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: You asked to don about this certain challenges that might 199 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: be involved in being a bench coach when your son 200 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: is the general manager. And don knew exactly what you 201 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: were talking about, exactly what you were talking about, basically meaning, 202 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: you know, are you gonna be the eyes and ears 203 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: of the front office? 204 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 5: You know, are you gonna be a pipeline? Are you 205 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 5: to be a pipeline? 206 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 4: And Donnie was really sensitive about it and and understands 207 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: that dynamic absolutely. 208 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: I mean, the quote was great. 209 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: Is I'm very protective of the locker room relationship with players. 210 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: They have to be able to trust that I'm not 211 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: a voice running upstairs and talking about anything and everything. 212 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 3: That's not the way I operate. 213 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: I come from a different era when that is not 214 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: something that happens. 215 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: So there you go something. 216 00:10:54,559 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: As well, and honestly to suggest that that would be 217 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: at that time Manningly be on staff. 218 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: Listen, there are so many people now. 219 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: In the clubhouse, it's crazy. 220 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: There are literally billions of people. 221 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: You know, who's that guy, who's that? 222 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean there's there's literally anybody could be 223 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: asked to, you know, be the quote unquote informant or 224 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: eyes and ears for the front office down there. 225 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: Before they would even need to need to dream. 226 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: About asking Don Manningly for help, you know, they they 227 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: could ask that guy, asked that guy, asked that guys 228 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: that if they wanted to do that. 229 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: I'm not saying they do that. I'm just saying. 230 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 5: There's plenty more. 231 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: There's plenty of other people that you do. 232 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 6: Clubhouses used to have h you know, when I first 233 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 6: started covering baseball, there were like four coaches, two trainers, 234 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 6: traveling secretary, and two club's. 235 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 4: And so that that was every five or forty five people. 236 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 6: Most Now you have a support staff that's bigger than 237 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 6: the roster, I mean a float on the clubhouse. 238 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: So there's many many. 239 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 5: That's another that's a whole another podcast we could have. 240 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: But I think it's I think it's a it's a 241 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: great hire. 242 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, just the experience having somebody like that 243 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: in the in the clubhouse is just absolutely tremendous. And 244 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: you know, the added storyline of that the Phillies can 245 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: fulfill Jim's bold prediction for Monday's show and win the 246 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: World Series. Don Manningly would win his first World Series 247 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: rang with the Philadelphia Phillies and share with. 248 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: His son, if I may, If you can indulge me 249 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: one second. Again, I mentioned this before, but I really 250 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 4: loved the way Don Manningly managed his teams. 251 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 5: He had teams that. 252 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: Were not really great talent wise, but he seemed to 253 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: maximize their ability to win games and to play good 254 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 4: baseball and to play correct baseball. I remember watching him 255 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 4: in spring training, how he went about his business. I 256 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: remember going to him and shaking his hand one time 257 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 4: and complimenting about how they play. They played hard, they 258 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 4: played smart, they sort of played the way Don Manningly played. 259 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 5: And that's also another. 260 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 4: Really important element to this, because at the end of 261 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 4: the day, it's not necessarily about how they play all 262 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: season long. It's about how they play when it really matters. 263 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 6: Right, because they've put together a team that should play 264 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 6: when it really matters. But you mentioned maybe when in 265 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 6: a World series and with his son, I mean, we 266 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 6: get all romantic. But to quote Brad Pitt in Moneyball, 267 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 6: Ruben's favorite movie, how can you not love baseball? 268 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 5: That's right, I love it. 269 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: Rubin loved that movie. 270 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 5: Ruined the game. 271 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: The movie ruined the game for like twenty years. 272 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt's a good looking man. 273 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 5: The stud great, very entertaining movie. 274 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good story. 275 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 9: You know they forgot about the three cy Young Award 276 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 9: winners in the rotation, right, you guys who were like 277 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 9: one and two in the National American League MVP. 278 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 5: Vote Tahata and Chavez. Other than that, it was a 279 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 5: great movie. 280 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: So Don Manningly is a board. The Phillies coaching staff 281 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: is set. If you are watching us on YouTube, don't 282 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: forget to hit the subscribe button if you haven't already. 283 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: And of course you can. 284 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: Go to the Phillies show shop dot com. Jim and Rubin, 285 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: you're wearing some of our gear right now. 286 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Gear up. 287 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: Mine's in the mad I love this one. 288 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: Man. 289 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: That's that's like the light the lightweight hoodie. Jim. 290 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: Jim's got the head the heavy hoodie the color too. 291 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great. It's cool stuff. 292 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 6: Man, These are like those the color of those unis 293 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 6: that they wore once and everybody hated him. Remember in 294 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 6: the seventies, the famous picture of Larry Christian. 295 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great baseball card Andrew McCutcheon and they 296 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: they brought them back for one game a three years and. 297 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 5: Cuting, yeah, all the way down. 298 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: A couple of what he was calling like a cup 299 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: of gatorade or something like that. I think they're doing 300 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: some dance and it was. It was really cool. So 301 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: uh so dim many on board. Like we said, you 302 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: know who's. 303 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: Not on board? JT Realm. He's still unsigned. 304 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: Guys, Jim, you were saying the other nervous you get, 305 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: you're not getting nervous. 306 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 5: Your predictions where that he's gonna sign. Mine was that 307 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 5: he's not. 308 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: I still think I still think he's gonna sign. 309 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: Jim, Are you changing? 310 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Are you I'm not. I don't waffle, I don't ego. 311 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: But you you did say the other day you wouldn't 312 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: a three year deal. Still you think a three year 313 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: deal is gonna be what it takes to get him done, 314 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: get it done. 315 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 6: I think that maybe gets them off the market, But 316 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 6: I think they're probably talking about different. 317 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: Types of structures, maybe a two, maybe a three. But 318 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they would let a three 319 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: year deal stop them. 320 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 6: No, I don't think it would be three times twenty right, 321 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 6: But I wouldn't think. I think I could see a 322 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 6: three year deal being the resolution here. 323 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: But again, and I think I could be wrong. 324 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 4: I honestly think that might be a mistake because I 325 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: went through it myself, and I think that the Phillies 326 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 4: are going to stand fast, I really do. 327 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 5: I don't think that they're gonna budget. I don't know 328 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 5: that there's a whole lot of play. 329 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 4: On JT right now. You would think that he wants 330 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 4: to play in Philadelphia. It's curious that it's taken this long. 331 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: Clearly he's not happy with where. 332 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: They are with the offers and offer and or offers. 333 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 5: And I'm to the point right now, boys that it's. 334 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: Time for people to make decisions that other opportunities do 335 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: not pass them by. One of those opportunities is landing 336 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: a guy like Bobashett to change things around, because that 337 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: type of bat and that type of player I think 338 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 4: would be really helpful for this team. 339 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 5: It would also sort of squelch. 340 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 4: That we're running it back theory, and it would change 341 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: the dynamics of that of that starting lineup. You can 342 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: put him anywhere in the lineup from one to six, 343 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: and he adds that right handed bat. He's young, He's 344 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: going to command some money. I think it's going to 345 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 4: be somewhere between a four and six year deal. 346 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 5: But lest we forget JT made twenty three million dollars 347 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 5: last year. 348 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 4: If that AAV is between twenty and twenty five, you're 349 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: basically replacing JT with this guy. And I don't think 350 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: they can bring both both of them on and uh 351 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 4: And you know, it also gives them some flexibility as 352 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: far as what they want to do in their infield, 353 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 4: whether they want to move a guy like om er Stott. 354 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 6: And you know, if JT doesn't come back and you 355 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 6: have that extra budget and you can, I think you 356 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 6: can definitely clear. 357 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Spot in the infield. 358 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 6: I don't think that would be an insurmountable task. But 359 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 6: they do have thirty eight million coming off the books 360 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 6: next year in just the form of two players, Walker 361 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 6: and Castiano, so. 362 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: That could make it more palatable. 363 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 6: It's it's a very very intriguing, very intriguing possibility. Stick 364 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 6: him right behind Schwarber in the UH, in the five hole, maybe. 365 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: Behind Schwarber, behind Harper. 366 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 5: I mean, you have so many different machinations. 367 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: I mean, basically all three or four of those guys 368 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: that we talked about, from from Turner to Schwarbert to 369 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: Harper and Uh and of course Bobbachette. You're talking about 370 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 4: interchangeable parts. You can put them anywhere, each one of them. 371 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 4: You can put it any part of that lineup. 372 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 5: And it's really a matter of how you want to 373 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 5: line things. 374 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: Up in what you think is going to be the 375 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 4: most effective and to be able to protect the guys 376 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: you want to protect. 377 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 6: The Bashette thing has taken on a little different dynamic 378 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 6: now because Toronto signed the Japanese third basement and they 379 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 6: could move the other guy over the second right. 380 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 5: I think you can clement the second base. 381 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 6: And that would be Bob Boschett's spot. So you know, 382 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 6: you maybe one of the chairs has disappeared in the 383 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 6: musical chairs. 384 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if it can happen. There's a lot 385 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: of moving parts. 386 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 6: But and I do know, you know, the payrolls tight, 387 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 6: and that tax is really tough to deal with but 388 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 6: we have I've seen this franchise react to special opportunities 389 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 6: in the past and push things a little bit. I 390 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 6: think it's different now. The push is different now because 391 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 6: they are a repeat offender on the tax and it 392 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 6: becomes very punitive. And I think that's in the back 393 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 6: of their mind. I mean, they're gonna pay a fifty 394 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 6: six million dollar tax bill this month for next last year. 395 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 6: So but I guess you never know. It's certainly he 396 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 6: would be a great fit. 397 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 4: The other the other piece of this that makes it 398 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 4: a little more murky is what they might do with 399 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 4: Aiden Miller after this, because then you have a full 400 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 4: infield of Harper, Bashett Turner and either Stod or Boom. 401 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 5: No, it's not now. Now, now, what do you do 402 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 5: with Aiden Miller? 403 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: No, it's not murky at all. 404 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 5: You you I love it. 405 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: It's not murky at all. 406 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 6: You love having Yeah, you played Boushette at second where 407 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 6: his arm is better suited, where the Blue Jays were 408 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 6: gonna put him anyway, and use Alec Bowman to trade 409 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 6: hopefully get some value there, play Bryce in Stought at 410 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 6: third base. In twenty six he becomes a year closer 411 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 6: to free agency. And next year you're in the same 412 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 6: situation where now maybe trade him for value if you 413 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 6: deem that Miller is ready and you play him at 414 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 6: third base, where a lot of people still think he's 415 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 6: gonna end up anyway. 416 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 4: Jim, you should have been a GM. 417 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 5: Great scout in certain areas. 418 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: Ain't that the truth? 419 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: You know, Jim, people are gonna be watching and listen 420 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: to the show, and they're gonna go, oh, my gosh, 421 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: I see a path. 422 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: I see a path for Bobashett. I still think they're 423 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 3: going to resign j T. 424 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 2: And I still think I mean, I think we all, 425 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, this's gonna be you know, my understanding 426 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: has been and is that they feel that they have 427 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 2: the best offer on the table, and and and you know, 428 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 2: they expect it to remain that way. I don't know 429 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: if they expect anybody to come out of the woodwork. 430 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, the Padres can use a catcher, 431 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: but they would probably need to shed some payroll to 432 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: sign JT. 433 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 3: So does that make sense for them right now? 434 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: The Red Sox had expressed some interest in you know, 435 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: there's a report a couple maybe a month and a 436 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: half ago. 437 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: Does that make sense they want Alex Bregman back. 438 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 6: So those are the only two teams I've heard. I 439 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 6: heard a little bit on Houston at one point early, 440 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 6: but they're gonna go with the kid and they just 441 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 6: you know, spent a bunch of money on EMI. So 442 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 6: maybe Boston and Sea and San Diego of the two teams, 443 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 6: I mean, I keep thinking, maybe the Mets get involved. 444 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 6: But this GM, David Stearn seems to other than I 445 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 6: guess Marcus Simmons in a lot of areas. He seems 446 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 6: to want to get younger. So I don't know what 447 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 6: they would do, but I think I haven't heard that 448 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 6: they're involved. Also with that, perhaps Detroit somewhere Detroit a possibility. 449 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 10: I don't know where they are at shortstop, they might be 450 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 10: able to use him. 451 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 5: It's short. 452 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: No, we're talking to you. 453 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 3: We're talking. I'm talking to you. 454 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 5: I'm talking about I was talking about Boom. 455 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 6: And Detroit could be on BOM. You know, Pittsburgh could 456 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 6: be on Bomb if he becomes if you end up 457 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 6: doing something there. 458 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 5: So I think so, because Pittsburgh wants wants to show 459 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 5: the world that they're spending some money, they're getting some grievances. 460 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 5: I think and some of. 461 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 4: These teams that aren't spending any money, the Tampa Bay Rays, 462 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Pirates, the Colorado Rockies, those kind of teams 463 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 4: haven't spent money in their you know, revenue takers when 464 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 4: it comes to revenue sharing, and I think there's a 465 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 4: you know, there's a little bit of hand slapping going on. 466 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 5: I want to show that they're spending some money and 467 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 5: they're trying to get some offense. 468 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 4: Pittsburgh trying to get some offense on their ball club. 469 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 5: So what are you telling? 470 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: What are you telling JT's agent? This week? 471 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 6: January seventh, and spring training is approaching. I mean, you're 472 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 6: gonna be in fantasy camp next week before you know it. 473 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 6: What are you are you starting to get a little 474 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 6: tough here, Rubin? 475 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 5: I think so I would be if I was in 476 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 5: his situation. 477 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 4: I don't know that I would even have waited this long. 478 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 5: I know the importance of what he brings to the table. 479 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 5: I love the guy. 480 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 4: It's not that I don't want the man on the team, 481 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 4: but you also have to not At some point, You've 482 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: got to be able to do your business. 483 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 5: You got to be able to sell tickets, You. 484 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 10: Got to be able to know what you know who's 485 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 10: going to be on your ball club, and if you're 486 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 10: waiting until close to February, and especially with a team 487 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 10: like the Phillies, that's that's. 488 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 5: Planning on contending. 489 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: I think it's time to eser get off the pot, 490 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 4: and I think at some point there's going to be 491 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 4: a deadline put I don't know that. That's how Dave 492 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 4: Dombrowski operates. If I was in his shoes, I would 493 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 4: be doing it. That's what I would be doing if 494 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 4: I was in his shoes. And is it January fifteenth? 495 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 4: Is it January twentieth? Is it February first? I don't 496 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 4: know what it is, but it's got to be soon 497 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 4: because it's. 498 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: Happened JT in different circumstances, different player, different career trut 499 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: jectory five years ago. But he think he signed his 500 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: five year deal on January twenty six, five years ago, 501 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: so he doesn't mind sitting it out and waiting around 502 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: and getting what he wants. 503 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 3: So maybe he's going to do that. 504 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 2: Here's a question what happens first, JT. Real Mito picks 505 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: a team Phillies or somebody else, or the Leaves trade 506 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: or release Nick castis what happens first. 507 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: I think JT is gonna sign first. 508 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 4: I think JT's decision comes before castis. 509 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too. 510 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: The Phillies can wait until the day before camp opens, 511 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: and then if they don't find anybody, just release them. 512 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, where are they? 513 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: The thirty nine players? So so and. 514 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 5: Next these next couple of weeks, so we will be fascinating. 515 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be fun. There's a lot of stuff going. 516 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: I mean, all the big guys are still unsigned. 517 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 4: Craig the Chet's not signed, the two Suarez the suarez 518 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 4: Is are not signed. 519 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 3: You hang out this. 520 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 6: JT is gonna sign Sunday afternoon at five o'clock and 521 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 6: mess up the Eagles game for all the writers. 522 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 5: I will be there. 523 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 3: Don't do that, JT. Okay. A couple more things real quick. 524 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: Rob Thompson gave an update on Zach Wheeler said he 525 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: is throwing from seventy five feet and by all accounts, 526 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: he said, the trainers think he's doing great. They said, 527 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: you know, he had the surgery in September. Six to 528 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: eight months recovery six months is right around just after 529 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: opening day. 530 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 3: I mean, good news. 531 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: Everything seems to be upbeat, but everybody seems to be 532 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: coming back great. 533 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 3: From injuries, you know, in the off season, right, We 534 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: don't know. 535 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: Until you actually get on the field and see how 536 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 2: things are going, you know, once you get your eyes 537 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 2: on and whatnot. 538 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: But good news so far on JT. And then the other. 539 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: Final thing I want to mention is that Thursday is 540 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 2: the salary arbitration deadline. 541 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: Doesn't do anything for me. I'll be honest with you, guys. 542 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 2: Salary arbitration deadline people will get all hot and bothered 543 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: about it. You know that Alec Boem has requested ten 544 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: point two or eleven point six and the Phillies have 545 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: offered ten point one, and then everybody freaks out about it. 546 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: And then someone goes to trial and says, I won't 547 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: forget how the Phillies trash talk me in this meeting. 548 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 2: And then two years later and they get to a 549 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: contract excension from Reuben five years, one hundred and twenty 550 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: four million dollars. Cole says, I love this place. 551 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 5: Nice, you know what I mean. It is a necessary 552 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 5: evil that have to exist. But it's much to do 553 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 5: about nothing, baby, that's right. I mean. 554 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: So the numbers are interesting when they come out on Thursday, 555 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: if they agree to terms with Bryce and Stodd, or 556 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: they don't agree with Alec Bohm, or what the number 557 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: is for Lozardo. 558 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: All that stuff is very interesting. Keep that in mind. 559 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: They if somebody goes to trial this spring and they 560 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: win or they lose and they say there's no hard 561 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: feelings what JT said several years ago, or if they 562 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: say there is hard feelings like what Cole Hammill said 563 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: several years ago, it doesn't mean anything at the. 564 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: End of the day. So I just wanted to That's 565 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: my opinion on this saying. 566 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: The only thing that I think it might create in 567 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 4: certain situations, if a team wants to sign a guy 568 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: long term, you start to have some of these discussions 569 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 4: based on the numbers that pop out. In the Lozardo's case, 570 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 4: I don't think that they're gonna be looking to try 571 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: to extend bone. But in Lozardo's case, he's somebody that 572 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 4: those discussions may start to come to fruition preliminarily. But 573 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: other than that, the whole arbitration stuff, it's just numbers. 574 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 5: Plug them in, make a decision on the number. 575 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: Roll that's right. Maybe that's right, guys. 576 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 6: I was gonna say you remember the day Ryan Howard 577 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 6: won his arbitration case Testory. 578 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 5: I do, and I had to be up there facing 579 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 5: the music. 580 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 3: That was fun. 581 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: That's a big deal. 582 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 4: It was a very big deal. The market considerably and 583 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 4: it was a tremendous I still remember that case. 584 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 5: Casey closes presentation was excellent. He's a great, great. 585 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 4: Representative and he put on a hell of a representation 586 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 4: to win that case, and it moved the market. 587 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 3: It was big. 588 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 6: Because Brian Howard walks in the clubhouse, it was like 589 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 6: they had the carrying the day before. 590 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: Now the ruling comes on. 591 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 6: The next day. Howard walks in the club house. He 592 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 6: looks his fall. Must have got a text from Casey, 593 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 6: so he's like pump his fish. He walks out, and 594 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 6: I was talking to you all about he won his case. 595 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do remember that, Ruben during the hearing where 596 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: you like shoot. 597 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: Winning. 598 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 4: I think in the middle of the case when we 599 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 4: had a break, we tried to come to you know, 600 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 4: even before and after, I mean we try to settle. 601 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 4: There's one of those situations where there was a lot 602 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 4: of stuff going on because it ends up being in 603 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 4: particularly in that case, it ends up being like MLBPA versus, 604 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: you know, the labor folks in Major League Baseball and 605 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: MLBPA one out on that one moved the market. 606 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: They did, They absolutely did. 607 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 9: Well. 608 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: Guys, everybody, Well, if JT would sign, we'll do a 609 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: little maybe extra show EP, the emergency pod of JT resigns, 610 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: or if he says, or he signs anywhere really for 611 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: that matter. 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