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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events, and you can turn back now

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Speaker 1: or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Everyone. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: my name is Noel. They call me Ben. You are you.

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Speaker 1: We are in Brooklyn, which means this is stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Live. So we found our

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Speaker 1: way to Brooklyn through a bit of a nightmarish travel scenario.

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Speaker 1: We live in Atlanta and there's a big giant travel

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Speaker 1: hub there in the form of Jackson Hartsfield International Airport.

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Speaker 1: And you may know that there have been some weather

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Speaker 1: concerns that have caused just this like domino effect of

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Speaker 1: flight cancelation. So we spent about eighteen hours in the

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Speaker 1: airport and we we posted it. We we've explored. That

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Speaker 1: place is from t g I Fridays to Gordon Biersch,

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Speaker 1: and we made some friends along the way and then

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Speaker 1: finally got here about three am. We were a little

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Speaker 1: punchy in our hotel looks a lot like a David

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Speaker 1: It was a thing. It was an experience. It's not ironic.

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Speaker 1: The entire hotel is lit with blue lights. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: that t G A. Friday's was also lit apparently at

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Speaker 1: ten am. It was super lit. It was crazy. We

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Speaker 1: heard from a friend. A lot of people are stranded there. Still.

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Speaker 1: We hope we make it back. Yeah. But so Atlanta

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Speaker 1: is known for the airport. It's also known for really

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Speaker 1: bad traffic. Yeah. Yeah, so we actually are coming from

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Speaker 1: a city that it is in the midst of an

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Speaker 1: emerging conspiracy theory. You may have heard in the news recently.

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Speaker 1: There's an interstate they're called i AD five. It's sort

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Speaker 1: of one of the arteries of the heart of the city,

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Speaker 1: and part of it collapsed just a few days ago. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the only two ways that you could

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Speaker 1: get it into Atlanta, and it's just dead. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: everybody's using all these back roads. But the big conspiracy

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Speaker 1: is how could something like that happen? How? I mean

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Speaker 1: the government line right is, Uh, there was some dudes

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Speaker 1: they seem to have managed to set fire to a

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Speaker 1: giant stockpile of PVC that was being stored underneath the

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Speaker 1: overpast by the Georgia Department of Transportation. Well, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of us have done hard drugs

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Speaker 1: under a bridge, but we did meet after speak for yourself. Okay,

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Speaker 1: whoa learning so much about you guys, But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean on my way to the airport. In fact, my

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Speaker 1: uber driver was like, yeah, that definitely didn't happen. There's

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Speaker 1: no way. He's like, it was the government. It was

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Speaker 1: the government. And I'll tell you why it was the government,

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Speaker 1: because we in Atlanta, you guys are blessed here with

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Speaker 1: and yawn, wonderful. No, well, okay, comparatively comparatively magical. In Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: it'll get you to like like two neighborhoods in the

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Speaker 1: whole city and then you know it's it's driving the

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Speaker 1: rest of the way. But the theory is as at

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Speaker 1: least as far as the superdriver was concerned, that the

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Speaker 1: government blew up the bridge to increase ridership on Marta.

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Speaker 1: If you know what I like about that plan is

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Speaker 1: how straightforward it is. It's no frills. That is a

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Speaker 1: no frills conspiracy. I mean, you know, it's this ruby

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Speaker 1: you got. You can remember that board game mouse Trap,

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Speaker 1: you guys, it's like on the level of mouse Trap.

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Speaker 1: That was the game that I like, I never actually

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Speaker 1: I didn't think so. No, no one does it. But

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Speaker 1: but not many people want it in their neighborhood. Nimby, Nimby, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a lot more fun acronyms for

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Speaker 1: I guess Chicago has that and Marta does too. But

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Speaker 1: in general, you know, you want them away from the public,

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Speaker 1: like the way they treated uh, the way they treated

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Speaker 1: at the age of eighteen. So in some cases it's

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Speaker 1: necessary to place these things in opportune places in neighborhoods,

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Speaker 1: and this stuff is peppered throughout major cities, and especially

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Speaker 1: Noel and I went on an expedition with Matt's support

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Speaker 1: And that's not the only one that's pretty nocuous one.

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Speaker 1: It was. It used to be known as Welfare Island

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Speaker 1: And we found numerous accounts that suggested this place and

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Speaker 1: many other places on the island are haunted. You can

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Speaker 1: Bowery Boys who are performing in this festival and the

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Speaker 1: coming days. I kind of can't remember when their show is,

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Speaker 1: but they're excellent, and they have an episode all about

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Speaker 1: the strange horrors of Roosevelt Island. To check that out.

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Speaker 1: What's what is? What's the deal with Stricker Island? Strucker Labs?

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Speaker 1: It's not Strucker Island. Oh yeah, it sounds like a

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Speaker 1: that that what is it? The movie with Leonardo DiCaprio

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Speaker 1: very well convincing. No. No, it's like this massive concrete

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Speaker 1: It is a con ed station that looks exactly like

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Speaker 1: And I will say, you know, Matt, no, it looks

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Speaker 1: like a nice building. But again you see that, you

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Speaker 1: just a Matt Black wounded by a very intimidating chain

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Speaker 1: But that's and then like surveillance cameras, yeah, which probably

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Speaker 1: network and it will be piped to a place like

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Speaker 1: tight Point and then probably stored in Utah and one

425
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: of the data centers. Because that's just helpful to have that.

426
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: How they do that's just you know, it's just good

427
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: to have stuff. I guess in case you need it,

428
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: we got we have it. Yeah. So the point is,

429
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: um this this is known as an air gap, which

430
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: makes this building very very difficult to compromise right through

431
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: some sort of electronic means. However, and I don't know

432
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: if any of you are on a date tonight and

433
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: you want to get like weird with it while you're

434
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: waiting for the next show, you can just right over

435
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: there and check it out, and you can be like, hey,

436
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: look at our creepy romance. Let's tick a picture in

437
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: front of this building. Although per our fake building experience,

438
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if you were very quickly

439
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: intercepted by some form of security personnel and asked kindly

440
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: to They'd be wearing an a T and T suit.

441
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: It would look very unassuming, and they would ask you

442
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: if you wanted some service and it might taste you. Yeah,

443
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: we'll just whill, just like snap the picture and go.

444
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: You don't want to hang it out for spoiler alert you,

445
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: they probably won't let you in. And the question is

446
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: you know we're talking to about this. I don't know

447
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: about you, Matt. Does this creep you out? Yes? Yeah,

448
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: if it creeps you out the way it creeps out

449
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: and NOL, perhaps you would be interested in joining the

450
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: upcoming exorcism of the n s A take the creep

451
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: up a notch. Yeah, yeah, we're out. There's an exorcism

452
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: here in New York at thirty three Tomas Street that's

453
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: happy in April fifteen for some reason. Yeah, oh yeah,

454
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: So there's magazine out of the bronch no queens. The

455
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: Quiet American is going to perform a rite of exorcism

456
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: on the building at thirty three Tomas Street, code name

457
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: Titan Point. And this is from their site, but I'm

458
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: gonna quote it verbatim because it's just so good in

459
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: the interests of metaphysically purging the edifice of the data

460
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: it hoards and invoking a less maniacal version of citizen

461
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: government relations on April t PM, a cadre of priests, supplicants,

462
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: and a volunteer choir. Right, you gotta will exercise the

463
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: malevolent energy coursing through are the so called Long Lines

464
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: building at thirty three Thomas Street. This sacred day falls

465
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: approximately one day before the Rising of Christ and three

466
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: days before tax Day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also I like

467
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: the idea of it. Oh perfect, do it. That's the date.

468
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: That's the date. Don't just don't. Don't half ascid. What

469
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,239
Speaker 1: are we gonna do after the padfast? Nobody's here from

470
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: the quite American? Right, Well, they're quiet Americans, Dude, they're not.

471
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: They're gonna like maybe So I like the idea of

472
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: a cadre. Can we be a cadre? I think you

473
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: need more than three you guys want to be in

474
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: our cadre? Can we have a cadre? Cadre? Yes? Who?

475
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: I can't believe that they do? Contra filled with power?

476
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: We just cadre up? What are they planning to do? Yes? Yes,

477
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: So here's specifically what they want to do, just real quick,

478
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: so you get an idea before you get there, you know.

479
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: All right, So they're gonna begin with a prayer for

480
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: the building's physical materials and invoke the gods uh that

481
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: this quote architectural fiasco has insulted, there will lay a

482
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: perimeter of salt around the building to quote render ineffective

483
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: the sinister frequencies it broadcasts. Now that's gonna be harder

484
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: than it sounds. I'm not like a salt doctor, but

485
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it does that. Like, how much money

486
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: are you going to spend on salt? Yeah? So then

487
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: they'll make sacrifices to the building, like thousands of pages

488
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: of personal data, bouquets of flowers, and of course an

489
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: ostriches just one, just one? Um? So is that does

490
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: that mean like that people are printing out their Facebook

491
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: feeds and setting them ablaze. Yes, I'm kind of into

492
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: that because I mean I put more into my Facebook

493
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: feed than I do like almost anything else that I do,

494
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: which is sad, but I kind of would like to

495
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: doe like Instagram. I mean, I printed out your Facebook

496
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: feed and burned it before what what I guys, I

497
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: don't have cable. Okay, I'm just trying to do stuff

498
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I didn't really, I would never bu you're my Space

499
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: is still up? Not that I still Oh everybody probably

500
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: has a lingering MySpace somewhere, so after they make these sacrifices,

501
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: their ideas that this will release the banal facts of

502
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: our lives back into their proper home, the ether, and

503
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: expel the demons of fear and suspicion from within the temple.

504
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: This sounds like they're joking, right, Like this is a

505
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: very tongue in cheat Discordian satirical Yeah, it kind of

506
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: is like a billionaires for Bush kind of thing, you know.

507
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: And it's not the first time something like this has

508
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: been done. In the sixties, Kenneth Anger, who was like

509
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: a weirdo experimental filmmaker uh led an exorcism of the

510
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Pentagon where and he and his folks encircled it and

511
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: tried to levitate it and claimed to have succeeded in

512
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: levitating it an inch or Yeah, big building. We haven't

513
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: proved anything about this. We want to have we want

514
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: to find notes. So if there are any internal Pentagon

515
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: documents about the building floating, please let us know if

516
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: you just happen to have those when you showed up here.

517
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: This has all the makings of a sinister political thriller, right,

518
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: But it doesn't stop there. You see this obsessive listening

519
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: is not restricted to spooky monolithic buildings with cartoonishly uh

520
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: cartoonishly ominous code names. And we're going to talk about

521
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: that right after we have another sponsor break. So we're back,

522
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: and here's where it gets crazy. There really are extraordinary

523
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: conspiracies that are hidden all around us, in our neighborhoods,

524
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: in our homes, in our pockets as well. Recently leaked

525
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: documents confirmed what the Fringe was saying for years now.

526
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: Your own television, cell phone, and electronic assistant can be

527
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: remotely activated almost the microwave, Like Kelly Ann Conway was saying,

528
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: is that you know we were talking about this. I

529
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: think it depends on the microwave. It's like a smart microwave.

530
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: It also did spends on what you're cooking. Um, you

531
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: you have to have really discerning taste to kind of

532
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: go under the radar. Yeah, Well, do people have Internet

533
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: connected microwaves? I don't know, but they certainly should be

534
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: on the table. That should be on the table. We

535
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: should get one at the office. Yes, should be on

536
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: the table. So recently, Wiki leaks release some stuff describing

537
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: what it calls secret spine and hacking tools developed by

538
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: the CIA and British intelligence and one hack which was

539
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: code named And this is for you, dr who fans

540
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: Weeping Angel the worst, right, this is a real thing.

541
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Who writes these? I want to have the code name job.

542
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: So so Weeping Angel is a fake off mode where

543
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: your TV is just Josh and with you and it's

544
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: actually on. And these smart TVs have cameras and they

545
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: can hear you. Microphones do because you can talk to

546
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: your remote and telling stuff and all that. Yeah, this

547
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: program specifically applies to Samsung televisions, where they will appear

548
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: to be off but runs spywear luckily only before everybody

549
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: goes home, and like Rex, all the televisions in your

550
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: neighborhood anyway, though, No, don't do it. I mean no,

551
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: not not somebody else's don't do that. That's probably a

552
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: bad crime unless it is. Unless it is a tell,

553
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: it's only tell. This only applies to Samsung televisions from

554
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen with some outdated firmware,

555
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: in which case, you know, I don't know what your

556
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: television life is like, but maybe you want a new

557
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: one anyway. Does this mean that like Samsung colluded with

558
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: the n s A and was like, hey, let's work,

559
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: let's hang, let's do this. Very interesting point, No, very

560
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: interesting question, because Samsung does have a warning in their

561
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: terms of agreements, and I'm sure we all read those right.

562
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Uh So, Samsung says customers should be aware that if

563
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information used

564
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: to like words when you speak yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

565
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: or like I don't know, poetry slam. So okay, I'm

566
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: gonna be very anyway, that information will be among the

567
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: data contained and captured and transmitted to a third party

568
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: through your use of voice recognition. Just the third party?

569
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: A third party? How is that helpful? Samsung? That's I mean,

570
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: a third party could be anybody. I like third party.

571
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: I like that they are calling it a party, you know.

572
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: That makes it sound way more fun than it is.

573
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: So any of you guys have a home assistant, not

574
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: like a like a robot butler, like one of those. Yeah, Alexa,

575
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: you got Alexa? Okay? Anybody have a home Google Home? Anybody? Yeah?

576
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: Anybody have Siri on your iPhone while you're in this

577
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: room with us right now? No? Well yes, yes, all

578
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: of you who are the best? So there were there

579
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: were a lot of videos we've seen circulating online. Right.

580
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: A couple went viral where somebody is asking Alexa what

581
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: they do with audio data and the c I a right,

582
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: and Alexa doesn't outride answer at the time. And there

583
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: are people who believe this indicates that Alexa has being

584
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: purposely evasive rather than understanding that, you know, uh Ai

585
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: has limits. Because we're kind of if we're like, oh, Alexa,

586
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: you're not gonna trick me. I see what's going on,

587
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: we're sort of ascribing human emotions and motivations to something

588
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: that is we're anthropomorphised. I drew a face on mine.

589
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I don't have money. But the people who

590
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: really do believe that this kind of thing is going

591
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: down though, they get out the board, they start connecting

592
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: things up. So this is how it goes. Amazon the

593
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: company is owned by a certain Jeff Bezos. That's the

594
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: video part where it says, here's where it starts. Uh

595
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: Then he also owns the Washington Post, and because he

596
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: has a contract working with the CIA, Alexa very could

597
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: very well could be recording all of us anyone who

598
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: uses it and sending it directly to the old CIA. Yeah, Okay, yeah,

599
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: I see where that where that maps out. But it's

600
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: true that for a long time Alexa did keep mum

601
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: if you asked if you were being recorded. But again,

602
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: is that an indication of a conspiracy or were the

603
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: programmers just not bothering to build a specific response. Was

604
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: it like a non player character in a video game

605
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: where you can only ask certain questions and they can

606
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: only say certain things like that one in sky Rim

607
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: that always took an arrow to the knee repeatedly. Yeah,

608
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: that same same issue, the same thing. Or maybe Alexa's

609
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: misinterpreting these questions, like maybe when you say are you

610
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: connected to the CIA, it's looking for a WiFi, my

611
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: external hard drive, c I A one through whatever I have,

612
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: But Alexa knows what the CIA is. If you ask Alexa, well,

613
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: the first paragraph of the Wikipedia entrigue which I which

614
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Speaker 1: I you know, I appreciate um Alexa though has recently

615
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: been updated. She's she's a whole new woman now. So

616
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: if you if you ask the CIA question, she'll say, no,

617
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: I worked for Ammazon. Yeah, but she doesn't say why yeah, yeah,

618
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: oh wait. And that's that's also a point with Sirie, right,

619
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: because it sounds like we're picking on Alexa. But Siri

620
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: also gives non answers things that sound evasive, like if

621
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: you ask if she's recording you, she'll say, I can't

622
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: answer that. I can't answer that. Daveh God, No, Siri

623
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: thinks my name is Dave. So Siri thinks my name

624
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: is Princess because my eight year old told her so,

625
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: and I just never bothered to change it because she's

626
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: smarter than me. So Google's personal assistant answers. If you ask, Hey, Google,

627
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: are you connected to the CIA? It says, oh, oh wait,

628
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: hold on what, Yeah, I got you the voice? Oh

629
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: where is it? Hey Google? Oh yeah, yeah, it says,

630
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I have to admit I'm not sure that's the word

631
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: store nuts. What kind of shady relationship is that? And

632
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: I've been in some weird ones. Uh. The question of

633
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Speaker 1: connection again, that seems to be the issue. If the

634
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Speaker 1: information collected by Google is indeed being like sent out

635
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: to an intelligence agency, then each individual device is not

636
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, likely connected directly to an n S A

637
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: server and would make more sense for the data to

638
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: be collected and split off. And that's the case with

639
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: a T and T S info at Titan points yeah,

640
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: so if you're using it and it's going through one

641
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: of these big carrier hotels, it doesn't matter if Amazon

642
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: or Google or Apple is working with the CIA, and

643
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: the statistics show that consumers are supporting this, if intelligence

644
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: agencies are in fact, if these conspiracy theories are true

645
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: and there is a massive sweeping collection of data, then

646
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: people are people seem to be on board. According to

647
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: the Voice report from Voice Labs, Amazon Echo, and Google

648
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: Home smart speakers are going to sell more than twenty

649
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: four million units through the end of Yeah, that means

650
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a total of thirty three million or

651
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: so in just in living rooms and I guess bathrooms.

652
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, where do you put a assistant besides

653
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 1: the living room your room? Yeah, huh. So here's the kicker.

654
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: Even Amazon, Google and Apple aren't sending this that collected

655
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: directly to you know, Uncle Sam and the CIA and stuff. Uh,

656
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: they'll still be able to collect it later or the

657
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: private company will be able to keep it as long

658
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: as it once. I mean, who reads the terms and agreements.

659
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: But there's a silver lining here, maybe, yeah, it's it's

660
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: it's sort of a creepy s lover lining. But have

661
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: you guys seen that movie? Was it x Makina So

662
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: what it was called? Yeah? Anyway, so the sort of

663
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: like sinister Elon Musk esque figure in that film who

664
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: created the AI the film is about, did a thing

665
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: where he kind of did a back room creepy deal

666
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: with the government where he turned every cell phone. No,

667
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't with the government. It was with these giant

668
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: Conglomo telecom companies turned every cell phone in the world

669
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: into a listening device that then fed his neural network

670
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: that he was using to create his artificial intelligence. So

671
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: by virtue of like hearing all of these various human interactions,

672
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: it could create a more realistic, empathetic copy of a

673
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: human intelligence in theory. So that was just a movie. Yeah, yeah,

674
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: that was just a movie. But it's really happening. It's

675
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: not that far from the possibilities we're talking about neural networks,

676
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: right and machine consciousness or AI. We know that chatbots

677
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: based on human interactions with actual you know people have

678
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: been built before. There was the famous one on Twitter

679
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: that got super weird. Yeah, weird is one word for it.

680
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: It was Yeah, it's called tay tweets. Microsoft built it

681
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours of going public just based on

682
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: conversations with people on Twitter. It was like it went bonkers.

683
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: I think I'm willing to curse on the stage, but

684
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna read that stuff for beatim. Well,

685
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: and then the whole idea is that it only knows

686
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: what it's being sent, right, right, Yeah, So if you're

687
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: teaching an AI, every single online interaction that has ever

688
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: occurred since two thousand three, Um, I mean, we're probably

689
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: getting close to something that's gonna be intelligent. Well, don't

690
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: like what it hates us? What if it wants to

691
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: extinguish our entire Yeah, that's the other thing, you guys.

692
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass anybody other than myself. But

693
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: when I think about the conversations I've had online and

694
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: the stuff that I've said, my drunken Facebook likes alone

695
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: are teaching artificial intelligence terrible, terrible things. We're really good

696
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: at turning silver linings around pretty quick. So let's let's

697
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: go down that that path for a second. What if

698
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: this information that's being stored in these hubs, you know,

699
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: like your Facebook likes and stuff, what if, like, given

700
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: a more drastic shift in government, than we're seeing right now.

701
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's gonna look like, terrifying. What if,

702
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, stuff gets really weird and all of a

703
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: sudden it becomes illegal to have, you know, liked Bernie

704
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: Sanders on Facebook, and it becomes like an executable offense,

705
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: and all that stuff is stored in perpetuity in these hubs,

706
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like the government can

707
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: go back and figure it out and put you on

708
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: a list now, and then it's a problem. It's alarmistic.

709
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: You just have to get re educated. It wouldn't be

710
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: that bad. Isn't that far off the market? I don't know. Well,

711
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: that's the problem with the old argument that, uh, well

712
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: if you got if you've got nothing to high, we

713
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: were you free pol Well, well you will you be

714
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: such a wood like a rocky voice. I don't know.

715
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: I just in my head it's some guy named Derek.

716
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: Derek seems cool. Derek seems a little bit aggro, but

717
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: I think he's, you know, he's you've got to be

718
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: coming around for yeah, because if the situation changes and

719
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: the things that were once you know, protected by a

720
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: freedom of speech or freedom of thought are no longer protected,

721
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: then it applies retroactively in many ways. This is similar

722
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: to like if you add a tattoo, and tattoos were legal,

723
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, somebody is a massive

724
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: dick about it, and tattoos aren't aren't legal, and then

725
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: you're culpable for that. Ultimately, one of the arguments would

726
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: be that the only way we can control the flow

727
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: of our personal information is to avoid using these devices entirely.

728
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: But guys, I object to that. I think it's unrealistic

729
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: and I think it's time that we consider more and

730
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: more often the way this stuff leaks. So we've all

731
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: heard about second hand smoking, right, there's second hand privacy

732
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: as well. So if I ever go that extra two

733
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: percent into the realm of full lunatic and I'm like

734
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: off the grid, I'm like, no Facebook, Matt, no Instagram,

735
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: Knoll and everybody take my computers. Just from hanging out

736
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: with these guys if they have phones, I'm still showing up.

737
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: Oh come on, man, It's like when I used to

738
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: play a Pokemon for that week. Um, and we're like

739
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: at a bar hanging out and I'm like, dude, hold still,

740
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: there's a jigglely puff on your ear and I'm trying

741
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: to get it, and then Ben's like, no, you know,

742
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: it happens. I get it, though, Man, I get it.

743
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I want to be able

744
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: to catch a Jiggli Puff at the bar. So it's cool.

745
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm okay with all this stuff, and a lot of

746
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: us are, and like, I know that it's an issue,

747
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: you know for many of us, and some people, you know,

748
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: they put tape over their phone camera. But I'm kind

749
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: of I know, I know, but I'm kind of of

750
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: the mind, you know, where it's like, I'm it's worth

751
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: it to me to make the trade off to be

752
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: able to use Facebook, to be able to catch a

753
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: Jiggli puff. It like, I'm not that interesting. What are

754
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: they gonna do with my stuff? Well? Okay, but then

755
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: when you look at the big picture, that's where it

756
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: starts mattering. And maybe I'm I'm a little shortsighted in

757
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: that respect. I've got your back, man, I a school me. Okay,

758
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: uh all right. So the thing is that you will

759
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: hear often that we are facing as a society and

760
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: extinction of privacy. That is not the case because what

761
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: we consider privacy historically is a very recent phenomenon, and

762
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: what is actually happening, I would argue, is that we

763
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: see an accelerating inequality of privacy. Privacy is becoming one

764
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: of the most important currencies of the modern age, and

765
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: it's getting tougher and tougher to access it. So what happens,

766
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, we what happens if the beliefs you expound

767
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: ten years ago suddenly come back to haunt you like ghosts.

768
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: You know what what happens if we live in a

769
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: world where microwaves and toasters and televisions are listening to

770
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: every word we say, which is God? I feel sorry

771
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: for those guys. It's gonna be disappointing. You know. We

772
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: always joke around that we have an n s A

773
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: intern named Steve. I think Steve, Yeah, we don't mean

774
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: to you know, if somebody's it's money from the n

775
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: s A is listening to us, it's probably definitely Yeah.

776
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: It's probably like a freshman who's doing an internship thing

777
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: and he's and he's just like, oh God, please stop

778
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: with the jokes. You're not funny, guys, are as funny

779
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: as you think you are. It happens there there's something

780
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: else here that we should talk about. Which is the

781
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: recent legislation that was I think signed by uh, signed

782
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: by what do you what do you call a little

783
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: twenty four okay, signed by signed by Trump? Uh No, no,

784
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: not uh forty five? Little I would now I'm not

785
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm goingly good at taxi math. Okay, okay, alright, so

786
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: tax about the site there there's uh, there's legislation that

787
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: will pass that's that's threatening to allow private companies whomever

788
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: they are, to not only sell your data without your consent,

789
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, to advertisers, to insurance companies in a way

790
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: that might impact your your insurance situation. Uh, they also

791
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: are making money off of it. And here's the thing.

792
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: Here's like as a cheap skate, you don't even get

793
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: a cut. Yeah, you don't even get like and this

794
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: is one of the most lucrative things you can do

795
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: now with a company is collect data and then sell it,

796
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: which brings us to the most important acronym of the

797
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 1: evening VPN. Yes, what is that? It's a proxy boxy? Yes? Yes, okay,

798
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: So what's important? Do you use one? I mean, you

799
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: use one of the slut and paid ones? Yeah, but

800
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm exchanging them for free too. And it allows you

801
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: to reroute your internet traffic, your you know I P

802
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: address in a way where you can't be tracked in

803
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: the same way that people that don't use them are

804
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: able to be tracked. One more, one more set of

805
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: an obstacle, and it's increasingly difficult to be anonymous online

806
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: like cartoonishly so, but you can do what you can

807
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: and that's all you can do. Boy, that came out

808
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: pretty okay. Well, we're live, but but the point is here.

809
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: What if we brought all of this back around the

810
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: point on purpose? The point is simple. Whether or not

811
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: these alarmists conspiracy theories are true, whether or not it's

812
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: malarkey or the real deal of fried bologny sandwich or

813
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: the god's honest truth. No matter what any of us

814
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: might think about it, the fact remains that there was

815
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: a window List skyscraper a half hour away from here,

816
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: and it's watching you. That's a That's that's the part

817
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: we had ridden. Now. I guess I wanna say thank

818
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: you guys so much for sticking around, really appreciative, and

819
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: thank you to the Bell House. Thank you to Jeremy

820
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: and a J for the a podfest and having us over.

821
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: Thank you to John for doing security. He's awesome. OK,

822
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: gays awesome. Thanks to the majority report that was fantastic,

823
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: and most supportingly, to you guys for supporting podcast. Thank you.