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Speaker 1: In Serious X one eleven. Very often I would tell

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Speaker 1: Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation at class Kids

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Speaker 1: little girl, Polly was taken out of her home. Polly

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Speaker 1: chief of the Special Victims and Family Violence Unit, Prince

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Speaker 1: Professors psychology, psychotherapist, author of Women Sexually Abused as Children mothering, resilience,

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Speaker 1: Teresa guilphd dot com. Doctor Kendall Crowns, Deputy Chief Medical

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Speaker 1: Justin Boardman, former Special Victims Unit detective, West Valley City,

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Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter Alexis Terreschuk. Alexis, you were just

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Speaker 1: hearing Antwiny Square at Miss Square speaking a finding a

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Speaker 1: so he you know, the way that I look at

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Speaker 1: to get away with it. We are also learning that

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Speaker 1: at the time Cash was stolen out of his crib

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Speaker 1: and murdered, this person, Darren Brown, was already facing a

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Speaker 1: ins demeanor charge of evading arrest from April twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: That's last month, April twenty seven, evading arrest, and that

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Speaker 1: tells me he knew right from wrong because he knew

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Speaker 1: to run from police officers. Cash taken from his crib

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Speaker 1: and then after the baby monitoring reveals, when finally caregiver

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Speaker 1: This is Steve Pikett WFAA. We now know the identity

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Speaker 1: of the man's suspective of killing a Dallas toddler. That

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Speaker 1: man's been identified as eighteen year old Darren Brown. So far,

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Speaker 1: he is only being charged with kidnapping and theft, but

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Speaker 1: investigators say they are anticipating more charges pinning the results

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Speaker 1: of a forensic analysis. Now, yesterday morning, four year old

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Speaker 1: This is in the Mountain Creek neighborhood in Dallas. Police

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Speaker 1: say that child died in a violent manner, was killed

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Speaker 1: with an edged weapon. The case is being treated as

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Speaker 1: a murder investigation. And then you know it's a big

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Speaker 1: to our cut seven. This is Mulinisa w FAA. Dallas

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Speaker 1: Police and the FBI arrested eighteen year old Darren Brown

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Speaker 1: on kidnapping and theft charges. Longtime neighbors tell us they

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Speaker 1: would see Brown walking in the neighborhood. Part believe. I

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Speaker 1: don't think, I don't think he wasn't here fan anymore.

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Speaker 1: Off camera, Jernan's mom says Brown broke into her home

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Speaker 1: through a back door and kidnapped her son while he

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Speaker 1: was sleeping. Mom claims surveillance cameras captured it. All authorities

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Speaker 1: tell us Brown had an ankle monitoring bracelet on for

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Speaker 1: a prior charge. Straight out to Mark Class founder Class

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Speaker 1: Kids Foundation at class kids dot org. That's class with

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Speaker 1: a K. Mark. I'm what about the fact that after

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Speaker 1: he takes Cash, the video catches him coming back to

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Speaker 1: get the other twin, and they catch him coming back

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Speaker 1: at seven o'clock, Nancy, which is u after Cash had

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Speaker 1: been brutally murdered. So obviously bloodlust was on this individual's mind,

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Speaker 1: and fortunately something distracted him and sent him out of

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Speaker 1: the house before he could get his hands on the

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Speaker 1: other little brother. But I'll tell you what this video

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Speaker 1: does as much as anything else, Nancy, is it reminds

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Speaker 1: me of the other final videos of little children being

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Speaker 1: led to their death Carly Brew Usha in Florida, Hamburg,

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Speaker 1: Harris in Omaha, Cherie Perrywinkle, a case that you and

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Speaker 1: I have certainly both worked on, and it underscores the

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Speaker 1: importance of surveillance in our society. CCTV has helped to

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Speaker 1: solve numerous cases and get numerous horrible people off of

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Speaker 1: the streets. So despite the fact that the house had

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Speaker 1: been left unsecured and that somebody was able to get

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Speaker 1: in at least there was this very compelling evidence left

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Speaker 1: behind so that they would be able to hopefully close

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Speaker 1: this case out and take a very very dangerous person

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Speaker 1: who had no business being on the street off of

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Speaker 1: the street for good. To Alexis Teresa crime online dot com, Alexis,

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Speaker 1: what do we see in that baby monitor video when

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Speaker 1: the perp comes back to get the other twin. So

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Speaker 1: it's now about seven o'clock in the morning and it

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Speaker 1: is daylight. Son is up. The first time he was

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Speaker 1: there at five o'clock in the morning, it was still dark,

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Speaker 1: but he enters the room the exact same way. He

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Speaker 1: walks over to the crib. He looks around. The other

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Speaker 1: little boy is still sleeping in there. There are no

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Speaker 1: shades on the window, so it's very bright in the room.

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Speaker 1: He looks around, then he looks up. Something has caught

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Speaker 1: his eye or he's heard something. He looks around, and

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Speaker 1: then he leaves and he doesn't take the boy this time.

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Speaker 1: He leaves the boy this time because he must have hurt.

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Speaker 1: A noise or or something just in his head made

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Speaker 1: him look around. There's not sound on the videos, so

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Speaker 1: you don't know, but he looks up, startled, and then

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Speaker 1: leaves without taking the child with him, but he still

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Speaker 1: would have had the access because this is seven o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the morning. The woman who isn't who lives in

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Speaker 1: the house, who is not the boy's mother, even though

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Speaker 1: she originally said she she is not the mother of

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Speaker 1: the twins. She doesn't even get up until eleven o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the morning, so you know, hours and hours later,

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Speaker 1: all that time, as you know, the first few hours

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Speaker 1: in the kidnapped are critical. Well, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friend Maria Guerrero NBC five are cut sixteen. This

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Speaker 1: is the defendant's mother speaking out at the house where

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Speaker 1: Dallas police say four year olds Cash Gernan was kidnapped.

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Speaker 1: Cameron Moorey, who lives here, says he's as hurt as

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Speaker 1: he is confused, like why he was four, you know,

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Speaker 1: like who does this to four your keys? He's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, for what, just for no reason, just because

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Speaker 1: you want to be evil. Mori says his mother dated

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Speaker 1: Cash's father until and listen to Robbie O and CBS

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Speaker 1: eleven for the purpose. Mom, I've spoke with that suspect's

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Speaker 1: mother this afternoon, and she insists that her son is

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Speaker 1: being set up. What do you believe happen? I think

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Speaker 1: that for your boy was killed at two people's home,

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Speaker 1: and I believe someone had a transportation like a card

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Speaker 1: should and transported to the side. How do you know

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Speaker 1: this family point the little boy had been staying, only

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Speaker 1: the other ones that stay there, but they don't know

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Speaker 1: the two four year olds. Have you been able to

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Speaker 1: speak with him since he was arrested? Oh, ma'am, I

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Speaker 1: have not better to speak to him nor see him,

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Speaker 1: not at all. And that's not so furious. Okay, she's

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Speaker 1: curious because she hasn't spoke to her son, now charged

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Speaker 1: in the murdyr and the kidnap. So there we see

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Speaker 1: the defense lining up Melissa Hotmeyer that the perp was

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Speaker 1: quote set up. That's going to be the defense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: good luck with that. I don't know that you get

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Speaker 1: better evidence as a prosecutor than that video. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I love I love when the defendant says, prove it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I will you know this alleged perp, Darren Brown, comes

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Speaker 1: back at daybreak for Cash Gernon's twin brothers. Twin brother,

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Speaker 1: just two hours after he had taken the four year

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Speaker 1: old from the very same bed and murdered him. He

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Speaker 1: got spooked. He either heard something or saw something that

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Speaker 1: made him flee, leaving behind the little twin brother Mark class.

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Speaker 1: When we try to make sense of it, it's applying

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Speaker 1: logic to an illogical situation. Final thought to you, Mark, Well,

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Speaker 1: there is no logic to something like this. Sometimes people

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Speaker 1: want to kill for whatever internal reason exists, But the

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Speaker 1: reality is that the lesson of this case is in

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Speaker 1: the lesson of so many other case is that you

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Speaker 1: need to secure your home, and that you should get

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Speaker 1: some kind of defense against against evil, and certainly the

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Speaker 1: idea of having CCTV, which has been so instrumental in

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Speaker 1: saving so many solving so many cases. The solution exists.

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Speaker 1: People just have to have to apply it. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfalse. Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing off goodbye friend,