Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a good wardrobe change.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here and the Chris Westling podcast studio
Speaker 1: to talk about the NFC North and preview their off
Speaker 1: season here in the regular season with Patrick Claybox.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good to be back two times in one week.
Speaker 3: That's what we want. We're back.
Speaker 4: You know, the Super Bowl was different for me because
Speaker 4: it was a whole season being in proximity to you guys.
Speaker 3: But now we're back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It is great to have you here and to talk
Speaker 1: about the show. And yeah, if you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 1: you can see I'm wearing a hat and that makes
Speaker 1: it Friday's Show. Great teams in the NFC North Lions, Vikings, obviously,
Speaker 1: the Bears and the Packers, and it's a division that
Speaker 1: to me, is set up for disappointment because you have
Speaker 1: records this good from three teams in one year, and
Speaker 1: you have a Bears team who has kind of underachieved
Speaker 1: year after year after year, and everything looks so good,
Speaker 1: like the expectations for all four of these teams are
Speaker 1: going to be sky high. So the next month and yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I've been calling the regular season is this
Speaker 1: build up into into free agency is absolutely vital. So
Speaker 1: let's put ten minutes on the clock here, and why
Speaker 1: don't you why don't you get us going with the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers?
Speaker 4: Oh, we'll go with the Green Bay Packers. Okay, this
Speaker 4: has been a question that I've been waiting to ask
Speaker 4: you for a while. Greg, when we initially conceptualized this exercise,
Speaker 4: and I saw you and Jordan executed flawlessly. The Packers
Speaker 4: started their season and ended their season with a loss
Speaker 4: to the eventual Super Bowl champion. They navigated what we
Speaker 4: both believe is the best division in football and had
Speaker 4: lost to the Lions as well as the Vikings in
Speaker 4: their historic seasons. Do the Green Bay Packers need to
Speaker 4: package picks ooh, and trade for Miles Garrett in order
Speaker 4: to the gap is not very big? I know that
Speaker 4: they didn't have the success.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is Miles Garrett that piece that they go get like
Speaker 4: they went and got Julius Peppers in that stage of
Speaker 4: his career, like they went and got Reggie White in
Speaker 4: that stage of his career? Is it Miles Garrett in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, solving the problems with.
Speaker 3: The Green Bay Packers and getting them back to the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're a perfect team to do so,
Speaker 1: because I think they can make it happen without ruining
Speaker 1: their president or future prospects. Like you build up all
Speaker 1: this young capital in terms of good young players, you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to survive maybe trading a couple picks.
Speaker 1: You have plenty of cap space. Forty two million dollars
Speaker 1: in cap space. They have eight picks this year. They
Speaker 1: basically have all their picks. So both them and the
Speaker 1: Lions to me, are right near the top of the
Speaker 1: list of teams that make the most sense for Miles
Speaker 1: care I think the Lions make even maybe a little
Speaker 1: more sense, But the Packers it would work too. And
Speaker 1: that that was what I was thinking too, Like, what
Speaker 1: does Goody get impatient? Because they're so patient in Green Bay?
Speaker 1: This is kind of year three of the post Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers era, and year three is kind of when you
Speaker 1: push some of these players are maturing. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that would be impatience or just trying to take
Speaker 1: advantage of a situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think because you have been patient, right,
Speaker 4: You've been not just fiscally responsible, but you have The
Speaker 4: Packers have a very structured set of parameters for the
Speaker 4: players that they draft. You know, you're not going to
Speaker 4: find a whole lot of small cornerbacks, right, You're not
Speaker 4: going to find small defensive linemen. They they have their
Speaker 4: metrics that they need to hit and they've done that
Speaker 4: and they've built a very, very solid roster. But there
Speaker 4: needs to be times where you take swings right where
Speaker 4: you get because there's all that conversation about the offense
Speaker 4: and who's the number one Matt Leffleuer doesn't want to
Speaker 4: say who the number one receiver is. You know, all
Speaker 4: these guys have their varied skill sets. You don't have
Speaker 4: to lose any of that. But you you make a
Speaker 4: pitch not just to the Cleveland Browns, but to the player.
Speaker 4: You bring back those historical comparisons and you say you
Speaker 4: can be it for us, And I just think it
Speaker 4: makes too much sense not to. And you mentioned the
Speaker 4: Detroit Lions. Do you want to play against him? Do
Speaker 4: you want to play against him a couple more times?
Speaker 4: Do you want to see the teams that were very
Speaker 4: good that we're in the division that you couldn't compete with?
Speaker 4: You know, when when everything came to a head at
Speaker 4: the end of the season. Do you want to see
Speaker 4: those guys get Miles Garrett. I just think it makes
Speaker 4: it makes too much sense. And we saw it with
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs as well as with Xavier McKinney last year,
Speaker 4: that this is not this is not our the Green
Speaker 4: Bay Packers of old. They're willing to go out and
Speaker 4: get very good players. Okay, so so do it? You
Speaker 4: have the team make the move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you do have as I mentioned, the cap space.
Speaker 1: It makes sense because when I look at their needs
Speaker 1: not huge. I think the roster is in better shape
Speaker 1: than twenty five teams in the league. Just to throw
Speaker 1: out a number like there's not screaming needs, but probably
Speaker 1: number one is like an edge rusher Rashan Gary, little
Speaker 1: disappointing last year. Still gonna be on the team, but
Speaker 1: a little disappointing. Don't really have a second edge guy
Speaker 1: that you feel good about. Lucas van Ness has not
Speaker 1: really hit DeVante Wyatt's gotten better, but I wouldn't say.
Speaker 2: It's been a hit.
Speaker 1: He's an interior rusher, and in general, their pass rush
Speaker 1: was absolutely lacking last year. So I think that's an
Speaker 1: area that even if they don't go after Miles Garrett,
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, there's other guys available for trades,
Speaker 1: Max Crosby or Trey Hendrickson that would be intriguing just
Speaker 1: as intriguing, just about as well. Or are they a
Speaker 1: team that invests a little bit upfront in free agency?
Speaker 1: Connected to that, I was looking at ways of like
Speaker 1: if they want to open up a little more space,
Speaker 1: is Kenny Clark safe on this team? Been a really
Speaker 1: good veteran for them for a while close the season okay,
Speaker 1: I believe he made it to week ten without a
Speaker 1: quarterback hit or a sac That's rough. That's tough for
Speaker 1: like one of your highest paid players. So that's one
Speaker 1: that could be a post June first they would save
Speaker 1: ten million dollars. Maybe they don't feel like they need
Speaker 1: to do that though, because they have so much cap space.
Speaker 2: See how he.
Speaker 1: Looks in training camp, and it's more a player that
Speaker 1: they really appreciate. And then also likely not on this
Speaker 1: team next year is JayR Alexander, who is under contract,
Speaker 1: but it would be surprising if they brought him back.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be more of a cut
Speaker 1: than a trade. So those are two guys really associated
Speaker 1: with the Packers for.
Speaker 2: A long time.
Speaker 1: JayR Alexander and Kenny Clark with the futures that are
Speaker 1: a little up in the air for a defense that
Speaker 1: needs some work. Frankly, like they were okay, but they
Speaker 1: need some work.
Speaker 4: And that would be my question is specifically with JayR,
Speaker 4: why give yourself more work?
Speaker 3: There? They have they have this there, It's.
Speaker 1: Just it seemed bad personally. There's something going on there.
Speaker 4: Okay, I always reference it, but we got we got
Speaker 4: statues outside of Staples right of.
Speaker 3: Guys who didn't have things going on personally.
Speaker 4: I think there were notable personal issues allegedly between Jalen
Speaker 4: Hurts and A J. Brown over the course of the season.
Speaker 4: Winning solves all those things, it makes it makes everything work.
Speaker 1: And so if Shaquille O'Neal is one of the people
Speaker 1: you are, you were talking to, Yeah, Shaq and Kobe
Speaker 1: an important guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't necessarily have the best relationship during all times
Speaker 4: of their run, but but when it worked out, it
Speaker 4: worked out to it to a very good extent. And
Speaker 4: I just think if you're if you're letting JayR Alexander
Speaker 4: go elsewhere, then now you've given yourself an actual problem
Speaker 4: on a roster that that doesn't have that many like problem.
Speaker 1: Okay, my counterpoint is he never plays, that's my counterpoint.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: He's getting older and he's been hurt, and there's been
Speaker 1: some back and forth, and you hate when this happens
Speaker 1: between a team and a player, of like, could he
Speaker 1: be pushing to play more?
Speaker 2: Could he not?
Speaker 1: It's just been sort of a little bit of a
Speaker 1: drama between them for a while, and I think they've
Speaker 1: actually kept him longer than most teams would have. But
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he is on the team. So
Speaker 1: that those are a couple holes, very few free agents,
Speaker 1: so that's good for them. They do have one guy,
Speaker 1: Josh Myers, who, depending on who you ask, was either
Speaker 1: the weak link there at center for a while or
Speaker 1: a really improving player. I look at a guy who
Speaker 1: has played a ton of football and will get a
Speaker 1: good contract because anyone that can start as many games
Speaker 1: as him and is young and the Packers say improved
Speaker 1: quite a bit all last season is going to do
Speaker 1: well somewhere. So I don't know if it'll be there
Speaker 1: or not, but they I really trust them to figure
Speaker 1: out their offensive line. The thing that strikes me looking
Speaker 1: at their roster Patrick, tell me where you would want
Speaker 1: to improve It is their offense, Like everyone else is
Speaker 1: returning and like there aren't there aren't holes.
Speaker 2: You could add.
Speaker 1: Another receiver, you could bring back to Vante Adams. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that crazy. You could add one
Speaker 1: more receiver, but you kind of don't have to, and
Speaker 1: you could add at almost any level. Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: add a guy that in theory is a one, but
Speaker 1: you could just add another rotation piece. Christian Watson will
Speaker 1: be coming off of a serious injury. Dantavian Wicks didn't
Speaker 1: really work out last year. Maybe he'll improve in his
Speaker 1: third year. So you kind of have Dobbs In, Jane
Speaker 1: Reid and Tucker Craft as the three receivers that you
Speaker 1: are kind of building this offense around, and Craft was
Speaker 1: really good as a second year.
Speaker 4: It's tight end, and they also had some of the
Speaker 4: most cohesive in terms of games started among the offensive
Speaker 4: line in the entire league. They were able to keep
Speaker 4: those guys healthy and together as a group of five
Speaker 4: for the majority of the season. You know, we'll see
Speaker 4: what the market is for AJ Dillon. You could find
Speaker 4: his way back. I don't know that that necessarily matters
Speaker 4: that much. I wouldn't change a thing about the off
Speaker 4: You get some guys healthy, I think, another year together
Speaker 4: playing in the system, another year knowing what Josh brings
Speaker 4: to this team. Really, this is just the improvements needed.
Speaker 1: If they have an offseason like they did a year ago,
Speaker 1: they are going to be a super Bowl contender. Because
Speaker 1: just look at who was brought in a year ago.
Speaker 1: Great pick, Edrin Cooper got some defensive Rookie of the
Speaker 1: Year votes. Evan Williams was a really good rookie player
Speaker 1: for them. Javon Bullard played a lot for them and
Speaker 1: didn't embarrass himself. He was a rookie nickelback. So they
Speaker 1: added some young talent on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, added Josh Jacobs and one
Speaker 1: of the best backup quarterbacks in football. I think it's
Speaker 1: safe to say now, Malik Willis so I mean, I'm serious, No,
Speaker 1: that's true. It's obviously true. So they had a great offseason.
Speaker 1: Goody's done great overall, and if they can just keep
Speaker 1: adding more pieces, a little more juice on the defensive
Speaker 1: side I think was missing. All right, let's go to
Speaker 1: the Lions. Since we talked about them as a potential
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett team. They are missing their third round pick,
Speaker 1: but they do have a compensatory pick late in the
Speaker 1: third coming back, so they basically are good on picks.
Speaker 1: They have forty four million dollars in cap space, right
Speaker 1: about the same as the Packers, That is tenth in
Speaker 1: the league. They do have a number of good free agents.
Speaker 1: Levi on Wizourique, who improved quite a bit as a
Speaker 1: fourth year player, well timed, stayed healthy.
Speaker 2: I know they like him.
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler, who played well for them as a free
Speaker 1: agent pickup at guard, and then Carlton Davis, who when
Speaker 1: he played was very valuable for them. So that's three
Speaker 1: top fifty free agents for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My question, my question for them is like, with these
Speaker 1: new two coordinators, where are they really prioritizing to improve
Speaker 1: this team? Because it's hard. It's hard to like see
Speaker 1: huge areas that they need to improve, but like what
Speaker 1: types of players are do they go after?
Speaker 2: They're different?
Speaker 1: Now with these two coordinators, do you see an area
Speaker 1: that is the biggest problem for them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's depth on the defensive line and then
Speaker 4: the secondary, specifically at corner. I think they had two
Speaker 4: of the best safeties in the league in Kirby and
Speaker 4: Brian Branch. Spectacular on the middle of the field as
Speaker 4: the season went on, But just when the Carlton Davis injury,
Speaker 4: the Terry on Arnold injury late, you get Alexanzeloni back.
Speaker 4: But injuries were more of the story for the Lions.
Speaker 4: And again this is this is the NFL, Like, You're
Speaker 4: going to have players injured every single year, regardless of age,
Speaker 4: how they came in, what kind of shape they're in.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a consistent thing regardless.
Speaker 4: But in terms of the injuries affecting the outcomes, it's
Speaker 4: tough for me to say that anybody had their outcomes
Speaker 4: affected by the injuries more than Detroit Lions, especially on
Speaker 4: the defensive side of the.
Speaker 2: Ball, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been great to see a
Speaker 1: full strength Lions team, hypothetically or closer to it, play
Speaker 1: that Eagles team. I'm not gonna say they're just gonna
Speaker 1: beat him, but they certainly were right there at the
Speaker 1: top for me in terms of favorites to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, along with the Chiefs and the Bills and
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and so just getting healthier is going to
Speaker 1: be massive for them. Marcus Davenport, by the way, was
Speaker 1: supposed to be on this team. He is a free agent.
Speaker 1: Other than that, and the guys I mentioned, Derek Barnes
Speaker 1: was a guy who basically didn't play at all for
Speaker 1: them last year. That could be an easy win if
Speaker 1: you can get him back for cheap. They do have
Speaker 1: Zadarias Smith under contract again for next year, so that's good.
Speaker 2: But I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I think it's pass rush that it just they just
Speaker 1: didn't have enough. And I know Alie McNeil got hurt.
Speaker 1: A lot of it was injuries, and you get Aiden
Speaker 1: Hutchinson back. But this is a team that I think
Speaker 1: been similar to Philadelphia and that they want to be
Speaker 1: really good on the lines. I think they need to
Speaker 1: keep refreshing their pass rush and start refreshing their offensive line.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line actually is getting a little older, a
Speaker 1: little creaky, weren't as good and the interior a year ago,
Speaker 1: as I think their reputation would indicate. Then you look
Speaker 1: at some of those numbers of the guys that you know,
Speaker 1: when did they get drafted about Graham Glasgow drafted in sixteen,
Speaker 1: rag Noow in eighteen, Decker in sixteen, Kevin Zeitler's thirty
Speaker 1: five years old and a free agent, so that might
Speaker 1: just be more of a draft focus, but they kind
Speaker 1: of are due to start refreshing there. But these are
Speaker 1: the types of things that great organizations are talking about
Speaker 1: in the offseason, like let's improve our depth, let's get
Speaker 1: younger at a position we're already good. They don't have
Speaker 1: major screaming needs, especially on offense. They're kind of bringing
Speaker 1: everyone back, which is awesome for the Lions and for
Speaker 1: John Morton, their new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: Especially when you consider that these guys have years remaining,
Speaker 4: like you got years before you have to think of
Speaker 4: about an a'm On Ross Saint Brown or a Jared
Speaker 4: Golf Right, it's just in terms of the talent there
Speaker 4: where Pinae sewel Is you mentioned the age of everybody else.
Speaker 4: Pene's got five more years before you.
Speaker 1: Got to keep paying them a long way. But they've
Speaker 1: done a great job paying them early. And that also
Speaker 1: means if they want to restructure some contracts, like they're
Speaker 1: going to be able to open up money. They sort
Speaker 1: of have all the money and all the picks that
Speaker 1: they really need to be as aggressive as they want.
Speaker 1: And that's why to me, they actually make the most
Speaker 1: sense because I just feel like they're at this point
Speaker 1: not it's definitely not desperation, but just opportunity and where
Speaker 1: they are, I think they're going to feel like they
Speaker 1: need to add something big and new to the mix
Speaker 1: to make this season feel fresh. And it's not going
Speaker 1: to hurt them because they are a young enough team
Speaker 1: overall that I think it can make it happen.
Speaker 4: And it also because the mindset of this team, you know,
Speaker 4: was playing their starters in a meaningless game against the
Speaker 4: forty nine ers right where I wonder if if you
Speaker 4: have let's say, if it's Max, if it's Miles, like whatever,
Speaker 4: big name that they would be able to trade for.
Speaker 4: Looking at the video of Aiden Hutchinson running this week,
Speaker 4: it's like, well, maybe you give him more time to
Speaker 4: not feel like he has to be out there.
Speaker 3: Week one, week two, week three.
Speaker 4: You could slowly work him back to the way that
Speaker 4: you could have this team be at its peak at
Speaker 4: the end of the season, which is you know what
Speaker 4: we wanted last year is if we can have this
Speaker 4: this core healthy and not so beat up where they
Speaker 4: can play to the level that we see them through
Speaker 4: the middle of the season.
Speaker 3: Because they're so good.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think Carlton Davis is a sneaky, huge
Speaker 1: free agent. I think they kind of either need him
Speaker 1: back or they need to invest at the position highly
Speaker 1: in someone else. DJ Reid is an interesting name that's
Speaker 1: out there at cornerback, a debo Polsit, a debo like
Speaker 1: could fit kind of what they do in terms of
Speaker 1: a physical style. Denzel Ward, if we're looking at Browns,
Speaker 1: might be available potentially in a trade. He's trying to
Speaker 1: get packaged. Let's just bring them both to Detroit. That
Speaker 1: would be pretty exciting. But I think that he of
Speaker 1: all their free agents, like own Wzourique, I think they'd
Speaker 1: love to keep. They developed him, but if he goes
Speaker 1: somewhere else, they'll they'll deal with that. But Carlton Davis
Speaker 1: and then maybe Derek Barnes actually because I think they
Speaker 1: really like him, are our two guys.
Speaker 2: I could see them absolutely keeping.
Speaker 1: All Right, We've done two teams in the NFC North,
Speaker 1: probably the best division in football. We are going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we're going to be back
Speaker 1: to talk about the Vikings the Pas back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: Wrapping up a great week here.
Speaker 2: I love this time of year.
Speaker 1: It's a good reset and I'm being real, like doing
Speaker 1: an NFL daily doing a daily show at this time
Speaker 1: of year is different, but it's it's been so different.
Speaker 1: I've had so many similar off seasons that it's got me.
Speaker 2: Kind of fired up.
Speaker 1: To attack this part of the year with an energy
Speaker 1: unknown to mankind and this exercise.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just being selfish. Let us know what you
Speaker 2: think of the.
Speaker 1: Off season previews, because we're going to do it for
Speaker 1: the AFC coming up to anything that you would change,
Speaker 1: because selfishly, I find it to be just a great exercise.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, where are these teams out? It just
Speaker 1: helps me feel like I know what is going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially before you know because as the top one
Speaker 4: oh one comes into it, its.
Speaker 2: Final Monday, that's coming, It's coming in Monday.
Speaker 4: And then you know everybody's into their mock drafts. Like
Speaker 4: this is an integral part of that of considering where
Speaker 4: the teams are where they want to be, and it's
Speaker 4: all a part of the picture where you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Are you where you want to be?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing this weekend? Are you like
Speaker 1: are you are you fulfilled? Are you taking a step
Speaker 1: back and becoming the best Patrick you can be before
Speaker 1: you're back on air all the time.
Speaker 4: I would like to this weekend, we have our first
Speaker 4: first basketball game of the season for Malcolm. Yeah, going
Speaker 4: to celebrate my ninth wedding anniversary.
Speaker 2: Congrats.
Speaker 4: And you know, I've got a lot of dental stuff
Speaker 4: coming up, and that always whenever it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: it's time to refine and improve and get ready for
Speaker 4: quality of life, and my mouth is like, no Ah,
Speaker 4: this hurts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's my biggest takeaway as getting older, Like
Speaker 1: the NFL off season is mostly for dental work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully these next two teams won't feel like dental work
Speaker 1: to talk about. I want to talk about the Bears.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Put ten minutes on the clock.
Speaker 1: This is the team that I have faded on the
Speaker 1: over under win lost draft three straight years. Successfully. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I don't like your team. I just think they've
Speaker 1: been overrated. You have the opening question here. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think they have a real opportunity to not be overrated
Speaker 1: going into this season if they play their cards right.
Speaker 4: So Ben Johnson comes over and he's tasked with getting
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams to be the quarterback that we.
Speaker 3: Believe that he can be.
Speaker 4: Can Ben Johnson purely as a play caller and as
Speaker 4: administrator of offense solve Caleb Williams' sack taking issue. Oh,
Speaker 4: without making changes to the offensive line. Great, No, not entirely,
Speaker 4: because it's a two part process.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can help improve the process in him get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball faster. I think that's coaching. That's
Speaker 1: a long term process. But the line's bad too, and
Speaker 1: they don't have anyone right now on the interior, and
Speaker 1: the interior that they had last year obviously.
Speaker 2: Didn't play well.
Speaker 1: Matt Pryor Coleman Shelton, who is their center, Pryor was
Speaker 1: a guard. Tevin Jenkins, who is probably the was their
Speaker 1: best interior player, is also a free agent, so they
Speaker 1: don't have anyone coming back. So I would say, no,
Speaker 1: it's like impossible. They have to make moves now. It
Speaker 1: could be through the draft. I think it is probably
Speaker 1: the best way to improve your interior line and develop
Speaker 1: these types of guys. But it can't just be coaching
Speaker 1: points because two things can be true. It was on
Speaker 1: Caleb and it was on the offensive line, right. But
Speaker 1: if I had to like grade which one, it was
Speaker 1: more on I mean, I don't know, it's probably the
Speaker 1: line was even a bigger factor than Caleb.
Speaker 2: They were both pretty big, though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it took a village right to build the disaster
Speaker 4: that we saw in twenty twenty four for the Bears
Speaker 4: offense specifically, other than like late game moments where they're
Speaker 4: in desperation mode and they're making their way down the field,
Speaker 4: it was kind of chaotic. I thought it was interesting
Speaker 4: when I looked at the roster that you have to
Speaker 4: go down to like Darnell right as the biggest cap
Speaker 4: hit for the offensive line, like number twelve on the team.
Speaker 4: In these other contenders, you know, you see what you
Speaker 4: pay for here, you see investment in linemen leading to results. Well,
Speaker 4: the Bears really haven't been able to do it, and
Speaker 4: and those are the results. And I just wonder because
Speaker 4: we think of Ben Johnson with that veteran plus talented
Speaker 4: offensive line in Detroit putting up a billion points and
Speaker 4: to now, I think people might need to reset their
Speaker 4: expectations a little bit, not just for Caleb but for
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson while they kind of navigate the talent issue
Speaker 4: that they have up front in.
Speaker 1: Chicago, the free agency list speak so much to what
Speaker 1: teams value, Because what if I told you that the
Speaker 1: best free agent guard that might actually become available is
Speaker 1: Tevin Jenkins of the Bears.
Speaker 2: Like, there's no great ones.
Speaker 1: Available, So like Bears fans are gonna be like, hey,
Speaker 1: who can we get in free agency?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 1: Like, no, Tevin Jenkins, after a really rough start to
Speaker 1: his career, became a solid player for them, and they
Speaker 1: should look to bring him back.
Speaker 2: They know them if they want to.
Speaker 1: But there's there aren't great Like, there's no panacea in
Speaker 1: free agency. It needs to be some values, some good
Speaker 1: coaching ultimately improves your offensive line, and more than anything,
Speaker 1: it's usually investing in the draft. And they've tried to
Speaker 1: Darnel Wright, like we'll see if he becomes a plus player.
Speaker 1: He hasn't really been for them at right tackle, and
Speaker 1: then at left tackle you have Braxton Jones, who's been
Speaker 1: serviceable enough. Was a fifth round pick. But certainly they
Speaker 1: could go over the top and try to improve. All right,
Speaker 1: let's just do a little step back. They have the
Speaker 1: number ten pick, They have their picks in general, they
Speaker 1: have an extra two from Carolina still getting those picks,
Speaker 1: So that's cool. That's a very valuable pick. That's a
Speaker 1: top ten in the second round pick. So they have
Speaker 1: three what in the top forty five, which is that's great,
Speaker 1: and they have sixty two million dollars in cap space.
Speaker 1: So in terms of picks plus space, there are very
Speaker 1: few teams in the NFL that have as much flexibility
Speaker 1: and value as the Bears right now. And that I
Speaker 1: guess was a case for keeping Ryan Poles, for having
Speaker 1: some continuity when when he's had some you know, pretty
Speaker 1: bad moves and some great moves too. That's a good
Speaker 1: one because you would hope like he can have some
Speaker 1: cohesion with Ben Johnson and how he's gonna build this thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's Ben Johnson had years to try to
Speaker 4: find a landing spot to to evaluate those spots, and
Speaker 4: I think like when we consider, right whether it's Peyton
Speaker 4: going to the Broncos or Tom going to Tampa Bay,
Speaker 4: right when you're picking your spot, like generally there's a
Speaker 4: reason that you make these decisions, and so like Ben
Speaker 4: Johnson has done the evaluation, and so I think that
Speaker 4: is a place where we can be positive and maybe
Speaker 4: Greg will be bullish on his on his Bears total
Speaker 4: this year instead of fading them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be clear, three and oh, fading them, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they were. Were they close in any
Speaker 1: of those years of it? It was I think it
Speaker 1: was seven last year, yeah, no, it was like eight
Speaker 1: and a half and they didn't even get closed. I
Speaker 1: think it was nine and a half by the end.
Speaker 1: People were all in on the Bears. That was why.
Speaker 2: That was why I led with with fading them.
Speaker 1: Nine and a half by the start of last years.
Speaker 1: There is reason to be excited about them other than
Speaker 1: they're in this division. They return literally every single defensive starter.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, and most of them are guys that you
Speaker 1: want back. It's not superstars. I do think they could
Speaker 1: use more defensive line help. It's like you can say
Speaker 1: this with so many teams and it's a good draft
Speaker 1: for it. They need some younger edge players. You know,
Speaker 1: you have Montes Sweat, DeMarcus Walker is your other starter there,
Speaker 1: or defensive tackle, really any defensive line you could add.
Speaker 1: And so it's similar to a lot of teams. I
Speaker 1: think you need offensive line, defensive line, you might need
Speaker 1: a running back, and it's a good draft class for
Speaker 1: that as well. Unless Ben Jonson is into the DeAndre
Speaker 1: Swift reunion.
Speaker 2: Haven't heard a lot of that, Like, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, would that would that be the deciding factor if
Speaker 4: they're sitting there at ten and Jenti's on the board
Speaker 4: and it's like, well do we like DeAndre Swift? Like
Speaker 4: hopefully now that probably is more we'll playing, uh to
Speaker 4: that particular decision.
Speaker 1: They could save some money if they cut Swift, like
Speaker 1: six million dollars something like that, if they wanted and
Speaker 1: replace them with a second or third round pick, even
Speaker 1: if they didn't want gent Gerald Everett, you could you
Speaker 1: could save some money.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they should start to look to extend
Speaker 1: some of their guys that they can. There's not a
Speaker 1: ton of them. Kyler Gordon though, stands out to me
Speaker 1: as a young ascending player that would make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense to extend this season. Now that the extension
Speaker 1: when I when I keep bringing these up is they're
Speaker 1: usually going to happen in the summer. They're not going
Speaker 1: to happen before free agency. But Kyler Gordon is one
Speaker 1: that you could watch there like they're in a nice,
Speaker 1: a nice little spot without like a ton of crazy needs.
Speaker 1: They got their wide receivers, they got their quarter back, but.
Speaker 4: Like you said, the issue is right, the market has
Speaker 4: decided where the value is on the interior offensive line,
Speaker 4: and they have those they have those needs where people
Speaker 4: aren't letting that talent go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you also could use that extra second
Speaker 1: in a trade to move up for a veteran, But no,
Speaker 1: I think I think taking an offensive lineman there. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of former player connections with this team. So
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler was with Ben Johnson with the Lions last year.
Speaker 1: That could be a guard you just bring in to
Speaker 1: plug a hole there, Tim Patrick, if that does anything
Speaker 1: for you, just as like a fourth receiver type, Paulson,
Speaker 1: Adebo Cam Jordan, Marcus Davenport, any of the old Dennis
Speaker 1: Allen favorites.
Speaker 3: All of all of Dennis's big fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming back to most of them, I can't say
Speaker 1: they're all big fans necessarily. Dennis Allen always does well
Speaker 1: with the secondary. I was wondering, like, how does Dennis
Speaker 1: Allen fit? They were built holding this whole defense for
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus, how does he fit? I think if Dennis
Speaker 1: Allen does one thing well in general, he's coordinated.
Speaker 2: Defense as well. When he's not been the head coach.
Speaker 1: But I think he's really good with secondary play, and
Speaker 1: he's got a really good secondary to work with. So
Speaker 1: I don't think there's going to be like a drop
Speaker 1: off for these guys who are really talented and they
Speaker 1: could make it very difficult to play against the Spars defense.
Speaker 4: It's a good squad, I think, right, Because you had
Speaker 4: the injury concerns because I know Jakwan Brisker missed a
Speaker 4: significant portion of the season with a very scary concussion, right,
Speaker 4: But I say it all the time, every single player
Speaker 4: in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Has a brain.
Speaker 4: I don't think that we you know, of course we're concerned, right,
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's a particular Oh.
Speaker 5: I do he missed months, Yeah, it's like three months. No,
Speaker 5: it was a devastating injury. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 5: coming back. I don't necessarily have the long term concerns there.
Speaker 5: I still think, right, because he'll be up in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty six. I'm for if a player.
Speaker 4: Is is good, Yeah, it slot them offers all the time,
Speaker 4: make offers on like random Tuesdays, see if you can
Speaker 4: keep him around, because like it's the risk reward is
Speaker 4: always always take risk on good guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Brisker adds a physical element to that. Teven
Speaker 1: Tyreek stevenson of hail Mary face Well. Still sticking around
Speaker 1: one player I didn't mention here, Keenan Allen is a
Speaker 1: free agent. Definitely seemed like he was slowing down last year.
Speaker 1: I don't get the sense that that's something that will continue.
Speaker 4: He says he wants to be like the Bears were
Speaker 4: one of his teams that he would want.
Speaker 3: To come back from.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so that's it's an option.
Speaker 3: They have the money.
Speaker 1: That feels like more of a of a pick spot
Speaker 1: or a lower tier veteran next to Rome and DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: who are really the.
Speaker 2: One and the two.
Speaker 1: All Right, let's wrap up our NFC teams with the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. Ten minutes on the clock. Fifty six million
Speaker 1: dollars in cap space.
Speaker 2: That's a lot. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's the good news. The bad news is they've only
Speaker 1: got one pick in the top ninety.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, why did that happen? And
Speaker 1: then I forgot Uh. They gave up a second ultimately
Speaker 1: in a in a series of moves, they ultimately gave
Speaker 1: up a second, a third, and a fourth for Dallas Turner. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you remember, was was the the pass rusher wasn't
Speaker 1: even the first pass us A lot too went in
Speaker 1: front of him. But they really believed in him. He
Speaker 1: had a He had quite a quiet rookie year. Doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's not gonna have a good career, but
Speaker 1: that's a lot of draft capital. So they better be
Speaker 1: right on Dallas Turner. And either way, their draft this
Speaker 1: season is a little quiet. They did get a third
Speaker 1: round compensatory pick back though for Kirk Cousins that was
Speaker 1: that was nice.
Speaker 2: There we go, that's late late third.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: My question for them is, you know, how do you
Speaker 1: if you redo your secondary? As I was doing my
Speaker 1: top one oh one, so many of the players were
Speaker 1: from the Viking secondary Byren Murphy Top forty in my
Speaker 1: one oh one really good season Pro Bowl games MVP
Speaker 1: on the defensive side, did you.
Speaker 2: Know that I did flag football? He got it done.
Speaker 1: I think he picked off Burrow or something happened. Cam
Speaker 1: Binham nice versatile player. It's been really important for Flores's
Speaker 1: top forty player Stefan Gilmore. One of the best, like
Speaker 1: one year at a time cornerbacks we've ever seen. And
Speaker 1: then not on the free agent list, but says he's
Speaker 1: strongly considering retiring Harrison Smith. So that's four guys in
Speaker 1: one secondary. Secondary very important to Brian Flores. So that,
Speaker 1: to me, is going to be a focus. How do
Speaker 1: they kind of fix that secondary without a lot of
Speaker 1: draft capital in one offseason?
Speaker 4: I think, right, you start by bringing everybody back and
Speaker 4: stuff on. Gilmore is not killing you, sure, it's it's
Speaker 4: you have the cap space, bring him back three million dollars,
Speaker 4: got fifty sixty one million dollars in cap space. I
Speaker 4: don't see a need to necessarily be cute with trying
Speaker 4: to save and pick between these guys on a good defense. Right,
Speaker 4: there was a continuing defense throughout the year. They know
Speaker 4: the system, they know why mess with it?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't. I think Murphy is looking for a
Speaker 1: big payday. I get the sense he's not as high
Speaker 1: on the pecking order, but buying him, yeah, he has
Speaker 1: more value to the Vikings than anyone else. Okay, you
Speaker 1: bring buying him and Gilmore back. That's two out of
Speaker 1: the four. I just talked about. Harrison Smith. You just
Speaker 1: have to wait and see if he wants to play
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, I guess make it worth as whole.
Speaker 1: He was still playing at a high level. I thought
Speaker 1: he had a really good year last year. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: Harrison Smith never ages it'll.
Speaker 3: It'll, the age will eventually show up.
Speaker 1: But but why like Hall of Fame candidate, although it's
Speaker 1: hard to get into the Hall of Fame these days apparently,
Speaker 1: But yes, sneaky Hall of Fame caredate Smith.
Speaker 3: They go on a run, he has a key interception.
Speaker 1: You can to your your doubting it. Another question is
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out questions. Do you think about pairing
Speaker 1: someone else with JJ and looking at the trade market
Speaker 1: for Jordan Addison. I'm stealing this idea from Purple Daily,
Speaker 1: which is a good podcast about the Vikings. They if
Speaker 1: they can do daily on just the Vikings, we can
Speaker 1: do daily on the entire NFL. And they threw out,
Speaker 1: you know, would this be a off season that they
Speaker 1: trade Jordan Addison been a couple off field things and
Speaker 1: his value would be really high. If you're looking at
Speaker 1: him that a guy that's not going to get that
Speaker 1: long term contract, his value will never be higher. Maybe
Speaker 1: you get some of your picks back that way, or
Speaker 1: you get a veteran, just a thought, just throwing that
Speaker 1: out there. That's their thought, it's not mine, but I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting.
Speaker 4: No, it is an interesting thought. I do tend to
Speaker 4: feel like sunk costs is a logical fallacy. If you
Speaker 4: feel like you gave up too much for Dallas Turner.
Speaker 2: Then right, that shouldn't be why you did it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so then why would you kind of hamstring And
Speaker 4: Hope is like, well, you know what's in the mystery box?
Speaker 4: It could it could, It could be Jordan Addison. Well,
Speaker 4: Jordan Madison is currently there and despite you know, those
Speaker 4: off field issues still played at a high level.
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, there's it's.
Speaker 4: Whoever whoever gets going to be too regardless, right, the
Speaker 4: one is the one is always going to be the one.
Speaker 4: And and I don't think taking away from the roster
Speaker 4: solves anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's funny. I actually misread my own notes
Speaker 1: and I misinterpreted. I did have a note crazy idea
Speaker 1: trade Addison question mark at the bottom. But when I
Speaker 1: was saying who do you pair with JJ? I forgot
Speaker 1: I was talking about the quarterback. The quarterback is JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1: What's the other quarterback that's on this roster because right
Speaker 1: now we don't know. That's a pretty big question Sam Donald.
Speaker 1: We're just assuming he's gone. I'm not I think there's
Speaker 1: like a small chance Sam Donald is still on this team.
Speaker 1: What do you get back for Sam Donald? Do you
Speaker 1: get anything back for Sam Donald, like in a tag
Speaker 1: and trade? Are you able to work that out or
Speaker 1: does he just walk away and you get a compensate
Speaker 1: Tory pick? And then what type of quarterback do you
Speaker 1: pair with JJ McCarthy. Is it Daniel Jones who was
Speaker 1: on the roster but is a free agent. Is it
Speaker 1: more of a Jacoby Brissette Jamis Winston type. Like it's
Speaker 1: important because JJ McCarthy is a young player coming off
Speaker 1: a serious injury. So you need to have someone that
Speaker 1: you can really believe in. If it's not seem.
Speaker 4: Dark and I don't think the like based on the
Speaker 4: way that we saw the twenty twenty four season play out,
Speaker 4: where they would bring somebody in with concerns that all
Speaker 4: this guy is too good and it's going to create
Speaker 4: a conversation, you're gonna have issues. I think JJ McCarthy's
Speaker 4: gonna be fine regardless.
Speaker 1: I'm the likely starter, regardless. But they also have to
Speaker 1: see it and make sure he's healthy.
Speaker 3: And all that.
Speaker 4: But the guys that you mentioned, Jacoby Wes said, I
Speaker 4: think could be successful in this offense. I think Jamis
Speaker 4: could be successful with Kevin McCarthy's excuse me, Kevin O'Connell's offense,
Speaker 4: where it's the things that you're asking the veteran to
Speaker 4: do in the system wouldn't necessarily be what you're asking
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy to be, So I do think it would
Speaker 4: be kind of a difference there.
Speaker 2: Do you think Donald, What do you think get Donald?
Speaker 3: I think Donald walks.
Speaker 4: I think Sam played very good last year, and the
Speaker 4: way that they feel about he gets an opportunity to
Speaker 4: go somewhere, I think I think somebody's gonna have a
Speaker 4: nice offer for Sam Donald when you're considering right that
Speaker 4: teams are looking at Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr, like
Speaker 4: the way that we talked about earlier this week, where
Speaker 4: it's like, well, like who are these guys? Who do
Speaker 4: we want? And then you see what Sam was able
Speaker 4: to accomplish last year. I think there's a market for
Speaker 4: Sam Donald that these other quarterbacks. Strictly when people are
Speaker 4: looking at who's a veteran who could come in and
Speaker 4: start for us this year. Sam Donald is going to
Speaker 4: be number one for the majority of teo.
Speaker 1: I think Stafford is going to be one, assuming he's available.
Speaker 3: Well that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an if for some teams.
Speaker 1: I actually think Donald might be higher for other teams
Speaker 1: because of youth and maybe you're not gonna have give
Speaker 1: up as much. It's one thing to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: It's a very tricky game of chicken trying to trade
Speaker 1: Sam Donald under the franchise tag when you have no
Speaker 1: real intention of keeping him. That is not how this
Speaker 1: franchise tag is supposed to be used. Teams get around it.
Speaker 1: But why I say that is you have to carve
Speaker 1: out forty million dollars in cap space for Sam Donald
Speaker 1: while he's still tagged. The deadline to do so is
Speaker 1: March fourth. If another team just you know, wants to
Speaker 1: wait it out or thinks you're gonna cut him or whatever,
Speaker 1: you got that forty million dollars sitting there, it takes
Speaker 1: a while for that those trades to process. Actually there
Speaker 1: there could be like days of free agency that you
Speaker 1: lose along the way, and so there's at least a
Speaker 1: chance they just let him walk, and that annoys the
Speaker 1: Vikings fans, but that would be some of the reasoning
Speaker 1: for it. Now, if they're picking up word at the
Speaker 1: combine next week that they have a good trade market
Speaker 1: for Sam Donald and they feel they'll be able to
Speaker 1: get a deal done sooner than later, then then they'll
Speaker 1: do so and they'll get something for Donald.
Speaker 2: Either way, I'd be shocked.
Speaker 4: Well, I think if you're going the trade route, you
Speaker 4: have to be okay with having Sam on your team
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. Like, it's not like a scenario
Speaker 4: where you go in thinking like we're well tag him
Speaker 4: and then we're looking for a trade. You have to
Speaker 4: be okay with either outcome. And if they are, I
Speaker 4: think that puts them in a good position where it's
Speaker 4: not just smoke at the combine. It's Hey, if you
Speaker 4: guys would like a quarterback that's very viable. You could
Speaker 4: trade for him. But you're not gonna hold us hostage
Speaker 4: and wait for us to cut him because he could
Speaker 4: be starting for it.
Speaker 1: Like if a team was willing to tell the VI
Speaker 1: and it's early next week's really the week or we
Speaker 1: find this out. If a team was willing to give
Speaker 1: up a second round pick for Sam Darnald, like they
Speaker 1: might have already even done. So we've seen quarterback trades
Speaker 1: happen before this time. It happened with Stafford, happened with Cousins,
Speaker 1: And if it's just a third round pick, then you
Speaker 1: just let them walk because a third round pick's not
Speaker 1: worth it. You're getting a compensed story third back, and
Speaker 1: then you're losing a lot of.
Speaker 2: Time, a lot of drama, a lot of.
Speaker 1: Mess, and teams might now want to give a monster
Speaker 1: contract to Sam Darnold and like a high pick.
Speaker 2: That's a lot for a.
Speaker 1: Guy who is freely available the last two off seasons
Speaker 1: for pretty little, right, right, I mean Stafford's one thing.
Speaker 1: That guy's won a Super Bowl and he might be
Speaker 1: headed to the Hall of Fame. We have one minute left.
Speaker 1: I will mention Aaron Jones is a free agent pretty
Speaker 1: high among my running backs. Who would you rank first,
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones or Naj Harris as free agent running backs?
Speaker 2: JK. Dobbins is an option, but I don't have it.
Speaker 4: I would give the age and burst bonus, even though
Speaker 4: like the burst is variable with Naji. I would give
Speaker 4: it to Naji Harris, but you know, I'm a known
Speaker 4: Naji Harris support.
Speaker 2: I'm torn.
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones is such a good player, but like by
Speaker 1: the end of last year he faded just a little bit.
Speaker 1: He'd be a really good one. B So I guess
Speaker 1: in that role for a little less money than the
Speaker 1: Vikings played him this year, I would love to have.
Speaker 2: I guess I would trik Baron Jones.
Speaker 3: Hight.
Speaker 1: That's it. We did it all in the time allotted.
Speaker 1: Eric's got such a big smile on his face. Look
Speaker 1: up and I see forty minutes on the clock. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is historic where we're sending you out, you know,
Speaker 1: into the Inglewood Knights, head into the valley to see
Speaker 1: your your beautiful son and your wife earlier than expected.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yes, that is the week.
Speaker 1: And as Patrick you mentioned the top one O one,
Speaker 1: it is coming out.
Speaker 2: I think it's coming out on Monday. It's due. Like
Speaker 2: I got to send in that copy.
Speaker 1: I'm leaving the studio to start working on the copy.
Speaker 4: Give it, give it to him, give it to him
Speaker 4: ten at a time. Okay, we'll do like a slow
Speaker 4: extended release for the most anticipated article on NFL dot
Speaker 4: com every single year.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. I'll tease it for
Speaker 1: our audience right here, right at the top. I mean
Speaker 1: that the names aren't as good as they usually are,
Speaker 1: but I mean, at the very top, T Higgins. T
Speaker 1: Higgins has won, Trey Smith of the Chiefs two, Ronnie Stanley,
Speaker 1: Milton Williams, Zach Bond, Sam Darnold, Osa Diggi, Zua Joshuat,
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin. We'll see if all these guys actually become
Speaker 1: free agents. And then I'm debating Amari Cooper, Carlton Davis,
Speaker 1: Tarvarius Ward in the next group, DJ Reid.
Speaker 2: Though those are pretty good names, take it back.
Speaker 6: What you need to do, Greg, is how some of
Speaker 6: these like blog sites really kitchens. These lists they're listed reverse,
Speaker 6: so you put one at the bottom of the page
Speaker 6: and really force people to get through.
Speaker 1: You know, I will try. I have been debating who
Speaker 1: every year. People want to know who is going to
Speaker 1: be my one oh one. It's a guy that just
Speaker 1: stays at one oh one, no matter who is cut
Speaker 1: and added. We have some options, and maybe if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this, you could you could tell me who
Speaker 1: you think. Daniel Jones is kind of my leader in
Speaker 1: the clubhouse because He just feels like a one on one.
Speaker 1: But he might be better than that. Maybe he's better
Speaker 1: than that. Deontay Johnson would be a funny one. I
Speaker 1: think that would be good Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 3: It feels high for.
Speaker 2: Jimmy G. I know, I didn't know. Jimmy G. Feels
Speaker 2: like a potential one on one.
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's kind of the backup quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and then there's there's less big name like zach Ertz
Speaker 1: could be could be in that mix.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel fun though. I like zach Ertz, Jacoby.
Speaker 4: The whole thing is fun. Get we got to do like,
Speaker 4: you know, like the top one hundred players. We got
Speaker 4: to sit everybody down and do like interviews at all.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I do want to hear Daniel Jones. I feel like
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones or Deontay Johnson. It just feels like a
Speaker 1: one oh one. Tomorrow Hamlin crossed my mind. He's sort
Speaker 1: of in that range where he could be one on one,
Speaker 1: because it's an honor to be one on one.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: I think I want to put Tomorrow even a little higher.
Speaker 3: Given.
Speaker 6: There we go, Pops, somebody gives them an honor he
Speaker 6: deserves great.
Speaker 1: There you go, let's play the music. It's been a
Speaker 1: great week. Like I said, Top one on one coming
Speaker 1: out on Monday. We will talk about that next week
Speaker 1: on the show. We're headed to Indianapolis. Uh, We're gonna
Speaker 1: get some great interviews there. I will be at the
Speaker 1: Combine doing shows Monday through Wednesday.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like when
Speaker 1: We're getting on a plane leaving sunny Los Angeles to
Speaker 1: go to cold Indianapolis, you know it's the regular season