1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: and Jerry's here too, so that makes this a rough 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: and tumble, root and tooting episode of Stuff you Should Know. 5 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: How you doing? I'm great? How are you pretty good? 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: You just celebrated a birthday just twenty four hours ago, 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: and dude, happy birthday, Chuck. Thanks man. How do you 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: feel good? Feel great? I feel I'm tired today, but 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: not because of birthdays. I'm just I don't know, I'm 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: tired today. Do you remember the times back, years back 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: when you would be tired because of your birthday? Right exactly. 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: It's like that day after right exactly. Now you're just 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: tired because you're a full year older. Yeah. I was 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: tired before my birthday too. But we're not talking about 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: being tired or birthdays, Chuck, are We were talking about 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: playing cards? Yeah, this one. Dave Russ helped us out. 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: This is chock full of fun little nuggets that I 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: think next time you're playing cards with people, you can 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: just kind of pepper these in. Yeah, and they'll love 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: you for it. They'll say, give us another one. Yeah. 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: This is one of those. It just has lots and 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: lots and lots of little fun factoids. And yes, I 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: said factoids. Yeah, they're ten percent of a fact that's right. 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: Anyone will get that. A couple of people will on 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: the Army page. I'm sure so, Chuck. We talked a 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: lot about playing cards before in our Tarot episode, Yeah, 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: And one of the things we talked about was that 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: it's a myth that playing cards developed from taro, which 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: is what I had always thought too. I don't know, 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't remember if I said that on the Tarot episode, 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: but it was quite the opposite, and cards were around 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: long before Tarot cards were, even though they are related. 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: Tarot cards were originally invented as new Trump cards basically, 34 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: and then they kind of evolved into the cartomancy and 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: all that stuff and just took off from there and 36 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: went on their own path. But playing cards themselves are 37 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: much much older, and there's a lot of debate about 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: exactly where the first playing cards were developed, and a 39 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: lot of people say China. Obviously China invented a bunch 40 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: of stuff, and it's possible China did invent playing cards, 41 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: but they seem to have possibly invented them in isolation, 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: and they may or may not have influenced the playing 43 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: cards that we trace our lineage back to our playing 44 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: cards today, trace that's lineage back to Yeah, and they 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: may not be as far as the original Chinese cards 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: go as old as they think, because you know, some 47 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: people point to this game called the yazyge. Yeah, I'll 48 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: go with that, Okay, y e z I separate word 49 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: ge called the Chinese leaf game. And this was like 50 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: ninth century CE Tang dynasty time, and for a long time, 51 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: people I think were like, well, the leaves and the 52 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: leaf game were pieces of paper and probably cards. But 53 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: then more, you know, scrutiny has landed on. No, maybe 54 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: the leaves were just like a rule book or a 55 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: log book that you wrote stuff down because it was 56 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: really a dice throwing game. Or it could have been 57 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: more like dominoes, and the cards are used in that 58 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: way but not used like actual playing cards. But we 59 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: do think we know pretty sure that the Chinese eventually 60 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: did get their playing cards in isolation in the thirteenth century, 61 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: not I mean pretty close to when Europe got them. Yeah, 62 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: So twelve ninety four is the first unambiguous reference to 63 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: actual what we would call playing cards in China. Europe 64 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: they showed up in thirteen five, so that is a 65 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: really really short amount of time for China to have 66 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: influenced Europe. That's not where European cards came from. Instead, 67 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: European cards came from the mom Luke Empire, which I 68 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: believe we also talked about in the Tarot episode two, right, 69 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: I think so in Egypt. Yeah, And it's it's interesting 70 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: like these cards came about because of or they got popularized, 71 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I guess because of trick taking games, like not the 72 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: exact games we play today like yuker in spades and hearts, 73 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: and I think bridge is another one, but the kind 74 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: of a similar thing where you have, you know, a 75 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: suit that takes the hand aka the trick, right, and 76 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: there's usually a trump card or a trump suit. And 77 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: these were like among the very first card games, and 78 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: apparently in medieval times they were wild for this game. Yeah, 79 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: these kinds of games. They went so nuts that some 80 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: officials were like, you have to stop playing that. We're 81 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: going to actually ban in it. You don't, we don't 82 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: get it, and you guys are into it, so we're 83 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: gonna say you can't do that anymore, right, But those 84 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: mom luke cards from Egypt were pretty similar to what 85 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: we have today, right, Yeah, so there's fifty two in 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: a deck, which is all we have today. Four suits, check, 87 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: thirteen cards, pursuit, yes we have okay, yeah, yeah, because 88 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: yes that's right. So yes, that thirteen times four is 89 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: fifty two. Well, I think where I'm getting mixed up 90 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: is they had a number one card, but they did 91 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: not have a queen. Is that the swap correct? Okay? 92 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, they had a one card one through ten, 93 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: and then they had courts in cards, which we call 94 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: court cards or face cards today. But like you said, 95 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: they didn't have a queen. The queen wasn't introduced until 96 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: the French in the i think the fifteenth century, said no, 97 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: we need to feminize this a little bit and much 98 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: fur the better. But back in the Arab world they 99 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: were like, no, we're not doing that. This is the 100 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: third twelfth thirteenth century. Um, we're just gonna go with 101 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: the malik, the king, the naib malik, which would be 102 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: the king's like right hand man. Sure, the Thani naive 103 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: which would be the king's right hand man, right hand man, Yes, 104 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: and Um, that was it. Those were the those in 105 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: addition to one through ten, those were your thirteen cards 106 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: in each suit and the suits themselves, Um, the like 107 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: the cards had a lot of similarities to what we 108 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: think of today, Like they had pips. Each suit was 109 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: represented by a symbol that's called a pip um And 110 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: I knew that somewhere in the back of my head. 111 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why. But if you looked at one 112 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: of these cards, one of these very ancient mom Luke 113 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: deck cards, Um, there would be say like um, thirteen 114 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: or say eight pips on one card. That's the aid 115 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: of say cups. If there were eight cups of it, 116 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: just like today, if there's eight little spades on there, 117 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: that's the aid of spades. I mean, this is it 118 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: follows in a really old tradition, I guess is what 119 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say in a really really clumsy way. Well, 120 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: the difference is they didn't write a number eight. They 121 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: just had eight of the pips pictured to represent that number. 122 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: And we still have that. We just added the number 123 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: as well. Exactly. We've got both, yes, and we'll get 124 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: to there, because it's I think the history of how 125 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: these things sort of change from country to country as 126 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: they became the leading manufacturers. Is pretty interesting, it really is. 127 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: That's a will take over from here every century or so. Yeah, 128 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: and I think it looks like as far as Europe goes, 129 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: the Spanish and the Italians were the first to start 130 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: manufacturing and using playing cards. They were called are called 131 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: Latin decks, and they had as their four suits the cups, 132 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: the coins, the swords in the clubs. But instead of 133 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned that a polo stick was 134 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: the club and the mamluke cards, Spain said, what the 135 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: heck is polo? Our clubs look like something you beat 136 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: someone over the head with, So that's what we're gonna 137 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: go with. Yeah, they look like real Captain caveman type stuff. Yeah, 138 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of cool. So um, the Spanish being among 139 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: the first to start adopting these decks is pretty pretty 140 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: appropriate because they were under rule by the Moops or 141 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: they had been for you know, just a few centuries before, 142 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: so they were in a lot of contact with their 143 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: Muslim neighbors. So for that to be imported to Spain 144 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: and then probably trickle over to Italy, that makes a 145 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: lot of sense. And so um, that's kind of reflected 146 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,479 Speaker 1: in what the Spanish word for playing cards is naipas 147 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: anaipees and the Arabic name for playing cards is naive 148 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: n a apostrophe ib clearly descended from it. And that's 149 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that really fascinates me about playing 150 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: card history is like, yes, there's neat like symbolism and 151 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: weird stuff going on, but it's all explicable and it 152 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: all follows like in this neat tradition that was built 153 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: upon and change but really still kind of kept like 154 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the general guard rails that it was originally set up with. Yeah, 155 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: and there the changes are like kind of fairly minor, 156 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: and they usually have to do with whatever made the 157 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: most sense in that country. For instance, in Spain, not 158 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: knowing what a polo club was, right, but they're like, 159 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: you can hit somebody over the head with that, so 160 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: we'll replace it with the club. Yeah, we'll use the smasher. Right. 161 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: And there are some speculation in theories about what these 162 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: initial and this is in the medieval society, what these 163 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: four suits represented. But one of the theories that kind 164 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,599 Speaker 1: of makes sense, I think, is that the sword was 165 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: for the military or the nobles, the cup for the clergy. 166 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: The coin for the merchants makes sense, and the club 167 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: for the peasants. And then in Europe we moved to Germany, 168 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: they kind of took over in the fifteenth century as 169 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: making as being I guess champion cardmakers. Sure, and they 170 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: replaced the cup with a heart. It's getting a little 171 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: more like we know it now. Yeah, the club was 172 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: replaced by an acorn, which is a type of masts. 173 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: The sword becomes a leaf, but if you look at it, 174 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: it's sort of a similar shape is what we would 175 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: know as a spade. Yeah, it's like an ivy leaf almost. Yeah. 176 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: And then the coin because there were nuts about falconry 177 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: in fifteenth century Germany and falcons head bells attached to 178 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: the hawks and falcons. I guess why don't they call 179 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: it hawkry? I think falcons take the cake in falconry. 180 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,599 Speaker 1: You know, hawks place second fiddle to it. They're like 181 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: the the Thanny naihib to the to the falcons. You know. 182 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: The joke here in Atlanta that I use is, whenever 183 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: we see a hawk or a falcon, and we have 184 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: both obvious as Evan inspired sports teams, Uh, it only 185 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: says is that a hawker a falcon, and I said, well, 186 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: you'd know it's a falcon if it flew into a 187 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: tree and then hit the ground. What does that mean 188 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: the reference to the Atlanta falcons. Oh, I see, yeah, 189 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: like it was like I'm flying so high and then no, 190 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: not anymore all of a sudden. Yeah exactly. But I 191 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: mean this isn't the same apply to the hawks too, 192 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: never get off the ground. No, you could kind of 193 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: interchange them. Yeah, but anyway, the falcons and hawks had bells, 194 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: and the coin on the German cards became a bell 195 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: because they were wild about falconry. Yeah, it's very cute. 196 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: The Germans had definitely the most rustic pips of all time. 197 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean, an acorn. Come on, that's wonderful. So the 198 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: Germans are going along. This is the fifteenth century. They 199 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: dominated that as far as the card manufacturing went, and 200 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: then the French took over in the sixteenth century and Ruin, 201 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: which is kind of in the northwest of France, became 202 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: the playing card capital of Europe. And one of the 203 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: reasons it became the playing card capital of Europe, as 204 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: we'll see, is because they put out so many playing 205 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: cards and their production increased so dramatically that it's just 206 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: mind boggling. And as a result, the pips that the 207 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: French adapted are the ones we still use today, even 208 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: though we have different names. They were the ones who 209 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: came up with the designs we used today. Yeah, so 210 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: they were hearts and clovers. Self explanatory. They had the diamonds, 211 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: but their diamonds were represented paving tiles called carol. And 212 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: then the pike, which is the spear tip. I guess 213 00:12:54,040 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: is the spade right, just right? But they didn't yeahlways 214 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: give me with that. They don't. They didn't call it 215 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: a spade at the time. But they did a couple 216 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: of key things as far as what we recognized as 217 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: playing cards today, as they came up with the red 218 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: and the black colors, very big deal to differentiate that 219 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: and to make card tricks more fun. And then they, 220 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: like you said, they manufactured a ton of them. And 221 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: they did this because they standardized the pips so that 222 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: they could be stenciled on and it was a lot 223 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: cheaper and a lot faster than hand drawing or doing 224 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: woodcuttings and hand painting these decks of cards, which was 225 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: super expensive and time consuming. Yes, and it made the cards, 226 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: the deck of cards incredibly unattainable to the average person 227 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: back in the you know, up to the sixteenth century 228 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: when the French took over. And once the French took 229 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: over and started producing these cards on mass, card playing 230 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 1: was just it just took off like a rocket. And 231 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: people had already loved playing cards, but now more people 232 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: could love playing cards. And it was because they figured 233 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: out how to print these things, you know, more cheaply 234 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: and more quickly. So that's why we use the French 235 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: card today, just by virtue of the fact that they 236 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: produced so many that it became like the dominant type 237 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: of card in the world. And then the other reason 238 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: I saw is that England eventually adopted the French card 239 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: and then kind of put their own twist on it, 240 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: basically just renaming it. And then British colonialism is one 241 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: reason why so many people around the world used the 242 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: French deck today. So they took the French deck and 243 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: spread it around the world. Yeah, and so the English, 244 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: like you said, they sort of they used the same 245 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: pip icons. I was about to say logo, but I 246 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: guess they're icons, and they just sort of changed the meaning. 247 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: So the clover they went back to calling it the club, 248 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: even though it's a clover when you look at it. 249 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: So that's why you've you've ever wondered, why the heck 250 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: did they call that thing a club. That's why it's 251 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: a tip to the mouth of the ogs, right, yeah, exactly. Yeah, 252 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: the spade looks like sort of the head of us 253 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: a spade, a type of shovel. But we think that 254 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: the suit name actually, probably, and this makes a lot 255 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: of sense, is the anglicized version of espada, which means 256 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: sword in Spanish, because sword was the original suit. And 257 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: then the diamond they just called the diamond. But they said, 258 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: you know what, this has nothing to do with dumb 259 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: paving tiles. Let's just call it a diamond. And as 260 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: Dave so aptly puts, a heart is just a herd? 261 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: Is that an actual song? Or are you making up 262 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: your aunt that just made that up? But I bet 263 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: you there's a song that goes a heart is just 264 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: a heart? Well you really, you really do that in actuality? Huh? Well, 265 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: that didn't really count. It's usually more like and by 266 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: the way, we heard from a lot of listeners who 267 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: do this. I know. Yeah, you're death so far from yeah, 268 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't think I was unique in anyway, 269 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: but it's Um, it's usually like sung to the lyrics 270 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: or sung to the tune of an other song, right, 271 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: like when you're a heart, You're a heart all the 272 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: way like that exactly. I looked up that where that 273 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: heart shape came from, because if you think about it, 274 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: our hearts don't really resemble that very much like the 275 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: human heart. Yes, and I know I cannot find the 276 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: original source. There's a lot of debate over it, but 277 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: it's centuries old, and prior to it, when it first 278 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: started to emerge, um, the heart was kind of iconogrified, 279 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: m agrifized. I don't know. I think you had it right, okay, 280 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: um as a kind of a pine cone shape. Oh, 281 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: which is a little more accurate. But I like the 282 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: new heart icon new meaning centuries old, but the most 283 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: recent one. Ye mean, that'd be very funny if it 284 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: looked like the actual human heart. Yeah, he just you know, 285 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: the guy in Temple of Doom just pulls out like 286 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: this hard emoji from the guy's chest. Uh. Should we 287 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: take a break? Yes, I think we should. All right, 288 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break and get to those face 289 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: cards right after this. All right, so we mentioned the courts, 290 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: and cards aka face cards is how we know them today. 291 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: They represented the royal court, of course, and just like today, 292 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: back then they were the the you know, the champion cards, 293 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: the most valuable on the deck. We'll get to the ace. 294 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: There was no ace card yet, and I think the 295 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: story of the ace card is pretty cool anyway, so 296 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: we'll save that. Uh, but these cards were all men until, 297 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: like you mentioned before, the French introduced the queen, and 298 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: here to me is one of the first really fun 299 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: facts of the episode that I love is for a 300 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: long long time, and I guess they don't do it anymore. 301 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: But in the UK and in British India they would 302 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: follow what they called Commonwealth rule or British rule, which 303 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: is to say that the king and the queen can 304 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: flip flop in which one is better in status depending 305 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: on who the monarch is at the time. So if 306 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: you have a woman on the throne, then the queen 307 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: is the top card, just below the ace or until 308 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: the ace was came along. Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, agreed. Well, 309 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: something I didn't realize is that for many centuries, the 310 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: kings the queens and the jacks, which were at the 311 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: time called the knaves, were actually modeled on historical figures. Yeah, 312 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: like Charlemagne was the of hearts. I believe King David, 313 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: the guy who killed um Goliath, he was spades, Julius 314 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: Caesar was diamonds, and Alexander the Great was clubs. Had 315 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: no idea, but like, if you look at a super 316 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: old deck and I'm guessing somewhere around probably up into 317 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, at some point you could say, yeah, 318 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: of course that's Charlemagne. I'd recognize him anyway. Look at 319 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: that beard on King David, right, he's juggling a rock yep. 320 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: Do we should we go through? The queens and the 321 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: jacks are just suffice to say that they stood for people. No, 322 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: I think we should give him a shout out. The 323 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: queens were Palace of Athena, Judith, Rachel, and Argene, which 324 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: could be an anagram for Regina. That's all over the 325 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: place if you if you search Argene, the only thing 326 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: that comes up is the card name, So there doesn't 327 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: seem to have been a historical person named Argene. Yeah, 328 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: this is one of those upon research that it's kind 329 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: of like it's difficult to corroborate some of this stuff. 330 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: But you see the same facts everywhere, which a lot 331 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: of times, you know, when we did our episode on 332 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: how to research stuff, well that can be a big 333 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: red flag. Yeah, but maybe this is a case where 334 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: it's not so much a red flag and just like 335 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: lore that people have just agreed upon. Yeah, because you know, 336 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: if it is, if there is a red flag attached 337 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: to it, we usually turn it up eventually, and this 338 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: one just didn't seem to have it. But yes, I'm 339 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: with you. It smelled like it, but upon a much 340 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: deeper smell, I was like, Okay, this might this might 341 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: actually work. Who were the jacks? The jacks were Hector, 342 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: who was the hero from the Greek city of Troy, 343 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: Etienne de Vignoles, who was a hero of the Hundred 344 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: Years War in France. Okay, Ogier the Dane who was 345 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Charlemagne's night and either Judah maccabee or Lancelot was the 346 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: Nave of clubs, and Jude mcabee was from the Hannakas story. 347 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: Lancelot was one of King Arthur. Yeah, the Maccabees. So yeah, 348 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: if depending on the deck you had it would it 349 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: would basically you would you just knew back in the 350 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: day that if you're playing the King of Hearts, that 351 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: was Charlemagne right there. It wasn't just this yeah, generic 352 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: weird looking king. Um, it was supposed to be somebody, Yeah, 353 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: a brand name king exactly. And speaking of brand name kings, 354 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: the god to talk about the suicide king, definitely, that 355 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: is the king that looks like he's stabbing himself in 356 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: the head with a sword. That is the one if 357 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: you're looking at a modern deck of cards, that's the 358 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: King of Hearts, And that's the one that looks most 359 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: different from the other kings in that he has four 360 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: hands and does not have the mustache, which is interesting. Yeah, 361 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: and like I said, appears to be stabbing himself with 362 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: a sword. For a long time, there was a legend 363 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: that that's how Charlemagne took his life, but we know 364 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: that's not true, right because he died of pleurisy. But 365 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: what they now think is that the early French decks 366 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: Anglo French decks had a King of Hearts with an 367 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: axe above his head, and that just printing over time, 368 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: the axe went kind of further and further down until 369 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: it was behind his head such that you couldn't even 370 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: see the axe blade, and so I guess that axe 371 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: handle just became a sword, looking like it was going 372 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: into the king's head. Yeah. And now that you know, 373 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: so like that axe was originally it was like the 374 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: King of Hearts was captured in the back swing, like 375 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: he was about to chop somebody with his axe, right, yeah. Yeah, 376 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: And now if you know that, you can see that 377 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: the King of Hearts is now just doing the same 378 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: thing with a sword. He's in the back swing. Yeah, 379 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: lob someone's head off, right, but not his own. Yeah, either. 380 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: One The important point is someone's head is about to 381 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: come off. They don't care whether it's lob or lop. 382 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: Look at that. No mustache, Yeah, no mustache. And one 383 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: other thing, the King of Diamonds now is the only 384 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: one with an axe, which I never noticed before. I 385 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: didn't either. I mean, you don't often, or at least 386 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: I don't often sit around and look at it a 387 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: deck of cards like I play cards, but I never 388 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: study them because it's sort of one of those things 389 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: that's so ubiquitous in your life over the years that 390 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: you don't really it's interesting. Might tie into our semantic 391 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: assaciation short stuff coming up. Nice tease. But let's talk 392 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: about that Ace card, because it took a while for 393 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: the Ace, and it has a really neat story of 394 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: how it happened. But it took a while for the 395 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: Ace to become the high card because when the Ace 396 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: eventually did come along, it was the number one and 397 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: it was the lowest card. It was the worst card 398 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: on the deck. It was so lowly that they referred 399 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: to it as an AS, which was the least valuable 400 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: coin in the Roman Empire. But then the French changed that, right, yeah, 401 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: which is this is why the Ace can sometimes be 402 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: the highest card in the deck or serve as the 403 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: number one card. Because if you ever, if you've never 404 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: noticed before, the number cards started two. You go through 405 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: two through nine, right, no, two through ten? Yeah, yes, absolutely, 406 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent certain two or ten. But this 407 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: as the AS card. It was named after the least 408 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: valuable coin in the Roman Empire, and it was kind 409 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: of like a slang term to kind of just talk 410 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: about how lowly that one card was. Then the French 411 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Revolution came along and they kind of conceptually pitted the 412 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: AS card against the court cards. They said, you know what, 413 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: this lowly one. We're gonna make it topple the court, 414 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: the King, the queen, the jack, and now the Ace 415 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: is the top of the heap. This little lowly single 416 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: card is now higher than any of the other ones. 417 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: And then, by the way, they also change the King, Queen, 418 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: and Jack to liberties, equalities, and fraternities. So they didn't 419 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: they weren't really into them kings and queens around the 420 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: French Revolution very much. Yeah. And if you've ever wondered 421 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: why the ace is the most sort of lavishly decorated 422 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: card generally speaking, it's got a cool story behind that 423 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: one too. Yeah. So the British had a pretty interesting 424 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: solution to taxing decks of cards, which was, if you 425 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: were a card maker, you had to you couldn't print 426 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: your own Ace of Spades. You had to get that 427 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: from the government as an official you know, card of 428 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: the British Empire, right, Yeah, and that was your that 429 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: was your tax and they were as such, they were 430 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: very highly decorated. They were uniquely stamped to try and 431 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: prevent forgeries from happening, right, And you couldn't, like as 432 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: a card manufacturer, if you were just like, forget that, 433 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna We're just gonna print our own Ace 434 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: of Spades and they'll never know. You could be hung 435 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: or have your head lopped off or lobbed off. You 436 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: could be hanged, you mean the penalty what they hung. 437 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: The penalty was death if you've forged an Ace of 438 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: Spades playing card. Yeah, there's a man named Richard Harding, which, 439 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: as far as I or anybody else can tell, was 440 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: hanged for forging an Ace of Spades, and that nuts. 441 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: That is crazy to think about in a weird I guess, 442 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: it sounds like a weird way to pull off attacks, 443 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: but it's also sort of brilliant in a way. Yeah, 444 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: But I mean that's why. So each company had their 445 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: own design, and it was a lavish design, and that's 446 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: why still today the Ace of Spades just stands out 447 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: as the most lavishly designed card. There's one other thing 448 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: about that too. While they were during that period, I 449 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: think in the early nineteenth century to the mid nineteenth century, 450 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: the name for those Ace of Spades was Old Frizzle 451 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: Old Frizzle. Yeah. I found that on a website. There 452 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: was a post about the evolution of the or the 453 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: history of the evolution of playing cards, written by a 454 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: game reviewer named enders game. I thought it was gonna 455 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: be snoop dog no no. But it does have a 456 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: definite snoop quality too, it doesn't it. Yeah, that's kind 457 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: of fun. If you've ever you know, bicycle playing cards 458 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: are very popular brand. I prefer the aviation poker cards personally, okay, 459 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: but I like a good bicycle deck. If you've ever 460 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: looked at the Ace of Spades, you might see the 461 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: number eight O eight on there. And there's long been 462 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: speculation that there was some sort of cryptic meaning behind 463 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: what the AD eight does. And apparently it's just a 464 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: model number because they had earlier decks that were six 465 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: H six is. So there's no like kind of fun 466 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: hidden meaning to that. No, And Bicycle is not its 467 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: own company. It's actually the eighth edition of the US 468 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: playing card companies designs, right, it's the eighth design that 469 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: came up with. So that's what the A eight is. 470 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: And so you'll find that a too on the Ace 471 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: of Spades. You said, right, as spades, baby, So that 472 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: As of Spades in particular, the bicycle aid Ace of 473 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: Spades has a really storied history as far as world 474 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: wars go. Apparently a world War two, the Ace of 475 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: Spades was considered a lucky card, and so sometimes you'd 476 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: see soldiers carrying the Ace of Spades around with them, Yeah, 477 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: or you see you see it a lot in the 478 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: tucked in the helmet in those war movies. Yes, And 479 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: this is why most often you'll see it in Viet 480 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: movies about the Vietnam War. There is a myth that 481 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: was apparently considered correct at the time, that the Vietcong 482 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: viewed the Ace of Spades as a symbol of death. 483 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: The legend was that French cartomancers who had occupied the 484 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: country previous to the war had basically introduced them to 485 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: the Ace of Spades as a as a doom card, 486 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: and that the Vietcong were just scared to death of it. 487 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: That's the legend, But that's not true. From what I saw, 488 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: it seems to not necessarily be true. What now, we're 489 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: coming into the true part. There were a couple of lieutenants, 490 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: I believe in Charlie Company, who rode into the Bicycle 491 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: um to the US Playing Card Company, makers of bicycle cards, 492 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: and explain this and said, could we just get decks 493 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: of nothing but the Ace of Spades and US Playing 494 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: Card company said, you got it, And for the war effort, 495 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: they actually did produce decks of nothing but Ace of 496 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: Spades for US soldiers to use to scare or intimidate 497 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: the Vietcong. Yeah, and they were called the bicycle trademarked brand, 498 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: the Bicycle secret Weapon. And apparently they would they would 499 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: drop these cards throughout the villages and the jungles and 500 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: stuff just to sort of, you know, freak them out 501 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: or Yeah. But even if it didn't work, as you know, 502 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: because the Vietcong were already primed to be afraid of 503 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: the aces, you would probably start to associate it with 504 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: some bad stuff if any time you came upon like 505 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: a fallen soldier of yours with an Ace of Spades 506 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: on his chest laying in the jungle. Sure, even if 507 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: it hadn't already had that connotation before, I'm sure it 508 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: developed that connotation pretty quickly just by use of it. Yeah. 509 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: By the way, I came across one of my closet 510 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: the other day and I came across my box of 511 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: trading cards. Oh yeah, yeah, And I popped him out 512 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 1: and kind of looked through them real quick. The one 513 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: thing I forgot that I had in addition to all 514 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: those Star Wars cards. And it turns out I have 515 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Star Wars cards and I looked in there. 516 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: Apparently they're not valuable or not very valuable. But I 517 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: had a bunch of Superman the movie trading cards. I 518 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: remember those, man, Yeah, like there their photographs from the movie, right, yeah, yeah, 519 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: just like little scene stills or whatever. I remember those. 520 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: And then also, even though I don't even remember necessarily 521 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: being that into the show, I guess I watched it 522 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: a little bit. But I also have some Battlestar Galactica 523 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: cards eighties version obviously, uh. And then a fair amount 524 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: of football, NBA, hockey, but mostly baseball cards right that 525 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: I think are all basically worthless. You just jogged my memory. 526 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: I remember now that they had Rambo trading cards for 527 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: a little while. Oh, I would have loved to have 528 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: had those kind of I guess it was three where 529 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: he's like shirtless and shooting like rockets at at people. 530 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I was a First Blood guy. Uh. And 531 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: then you know, the Rambo's got a little more ridiculous 532 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: with each one, you could say, But I stand by 533 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: First Blood as being a really great movie. Yeah it is. 534 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: It's a good movie, but it's it's it's a different 535 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: genre than the other two, you know what I mean. Agree, 536 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: although I do have to say that First Blood never 537 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: produced the greatest chewing gum of all time. Second greatest 538 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: chewing gum of all time Rambo chewing gum, which is 539 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: BlackBerry flavored Big League Chew. Oh my god, it was 540 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: good and it was second only to lemon lime bubble yum, 541 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: the kind that was green on the outside with the 542 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: yellow center. Yeah. I love that stuff. There's a pack 543 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: for sale on eBay, and every once in a while, 544 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, what did it still work? Could I still 545 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: chew it? Should I buy that a good toothbreaker? Yeah? Probably, 546 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: but me and that'd be amazing. Did the big leage 547 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: chew have a little caricature of Rambo in it? It 548 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: had like a movie still of him shirtless with the 549 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: rocket launcher shooting it at somebody and like a big 550 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: fire explosion in the background, that rocket launcher. Yeah, and 551 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: you'd just put the whole pack in your cheek and 552 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,719 Speaker 1: be like, somebody came me a rocket launcher. It's amazing 553 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: how many products they marketed at us were phony tobacco products. 554 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I used to do. Remember beef jerky chew. 555 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: It was like a candid dip, but it was trying 556 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: to be jernky. I love that stuff. The gum cigarettes 557 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: that you could puff on. They still have those. I 558 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: saw those recently. Did they really? And I was like, what, 559 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: they still make these in my local convenience store. Wow, 560 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: that's very surprising. Yeah, it was pretty funny. What about 561 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: those um pink gum cigars? I don't remember those they 562 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: were They were just a long stick of gum in 563 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: the shape of a cigar and then it had like 564 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: a cigar band wrapper on it. And they tasted awful. 565 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: It was the most awful gum there was worse than 566 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: like the sticks that you would get an old baseball 567 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: card packs. But um, it was just a different taste 568 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: and it was not good gum. But they were still 569 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: fun to like, you know, pretend you're a up and 570 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: coming smoker with. I wonder if there's a candy cane 571 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: blunt or something like that, we don't know about it. 572 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: I suddenly realized why I started smoking at age fourteen. 573 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: I was kind of primed to do that. Also, before 574 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: we break a no, we're tangenting on tangents. But I 575 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: meant to clear up when I that story about Emily 576 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: getting a note from her mom to buy cigarettes at 577 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: the at the store. Yeah, she was like six years old. 578 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: This wasn't a teenage thing because you were like, yeah, 579 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: I bought him when I was ten or eleven. She 580 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: was younger than my daughter. And just the thought of 581 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: her going into a store at that age, a child 582 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: and getting cigarettes, because you have noticed just it doesn't 583 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: get any more seventies in that, I'm well, not just that, 584 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: it's very Ohio too. Yeah, so much so I'm going 585 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: to coin a new term. That's so higo. Okay, yeah, 586 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: I like you using that from now on. All right, 587 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: h well, let's reel it in, take a break, and 588 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk about the Joker or the 589 00:34:44,280 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: Yoker right after this. Okay, Chuck, you really teased it up. 590 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 1: Right before this this ad break, m we're gonna talk 591 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: about Uker and which is where the Joker came from? 592 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: You play Uker? Yeah, we've talked about it on the 593 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: Show's that's right. My Ohio relatives introduced me to it, 594 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: and I had to get it re explained every Christmas 595 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: because I could just could never remember the rules right, 596 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: Yuker is very so high. Yes, it's so HIGHO. But 597 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: Uker came from the Alsace region of Germany, and it 598 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: was originally called yuker Spiel. Okay, yeah, with the with 599 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: the j u c k Yes, j u c k 600 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: e r spiel. Whereas what's the Uker card game? How's 601 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: that spelled that we play today? It's spelled you or 602 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: sorry e U c h r E Yuker And then 603 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: Dave points out like Eucharist, and I think he was 604 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: trying to trigger in us a mention that he's the 605 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: host of the hit podcast Biblical Time Machine, so I 606 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: think he put that in there. Was that what it was? Okay, 607 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: although there's not many words out there that are like 608 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: the word yuker, but we we latinized it right from 609 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: j u c k e r to e U c 610 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: h r E. But originally that j u c k 611 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: e rum. In America, people started calling it Juker with 612 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: the hard J like the j pronounced not like a why. 613 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: And then that very quickly became Joker, which was a 614 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: card that was designed expressly for the game of Uker. Right, 615 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: that's right, the jolly Joker, who has always been sort 616 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: of a sort of a court gester e imp like person. Uh, 617 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: and they think that that's a reference to that the 618 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: Joker and Uker was a trickster who took the tricks 619 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: of the game because it was the super trump card. Yeah, exactly, 620 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: like the number one trump card. And we're not going 621 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: to go over Yuker. But it's all about the Trump 622 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: cards and descending value of the bower and the left 623 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: bower right and then the uber card, which is the 624 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: Yuker or the Joker. And they call those those original 625 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: trump cards the right and left bower bower like they're 626 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: in the act of bowing. But that's actually a bastardization 627 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: of the German bower b aue r, which means farmer 628 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 1: in German m like Jack Bauer. Yeah. So it's really 629 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: interesting to see how just completely mixed up things can get. Yeah, 630 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: when you just change the spelling of a word, didn't 631 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: even pronounce it the same, but just change some spellings 632 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: here or there, and all of a sudden you have 633 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: you've just completely lost its original meaning and adopted a 634 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: new one. I find that fascinating. But anyway to sum 635 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: this up, the Joker was created to become the best Bower, 636 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: the Imperial Bower, and then over time, because it was 637 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: associated expressly with Yuker Joker, it became the joker. That's right. 638 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: And we're going to finish up with some fun poker 639 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: facts slash Las Vegas facts. Yeah, here's one. Barry Manlo 640 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: has his own blackjack tables. Yes, we've seen them with 641 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: our own eyes. Didn't play on them because I didn't 642 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: want to desecrate it by losing on a Barry Manlin table. 643 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: But playing cards and gambling obviously is you know, people 644 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: started gambling with playing cards a long long time ago, 645 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: and when it comes to poker or really any kind 646 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: of card game you're gambling with, they wanted to understandably 647 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: not had their cards be seen by other people. So 648 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: these sort of gigantic icons of suits and these bigger 649 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: fonts and things like that wasn't working out. So for 650 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: poker cards, they introduced a few a few little changes 651 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: to make this more possible to hold your hand tighter together, 652 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: and that is called the squeezer card, which was you know, 653 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: the first cards to have a very small symbol at 654 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: the top left corner indicating the number and the pip 655 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: or the suit right and so that means that's why 656 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: on you see a poker player holding that really tight hand, 657 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: all you need is that left hand corner barely exposed. Yeah, 658 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: and those little the little the pip with the number 659 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: or the letter of the face card is called an indicy. 660 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: Those are indices, and before them the reason why it 661 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: makes so much sense in poker, Like you were saying, 662 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 1: you used to have to spread your cards out wide 663 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: to say like, oh, there's nine pips on here, this 664 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: is a nine of clubs. And now it was just 665 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: kind of marked in the corner, which is great because 666 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: you're not sharing your hand with the other people. There 667 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: was another way you could give away what kind of 668 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: cards you had in old style cards, and that the 669 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: face cards, the court cards were printed one direction. There 670 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: was one direction that was up, in one direction that 671 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: was down, not like today where they're both up or down. 672 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter which way it's dealt. Before you would 673 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: have had to have taken that court card and flipped 674 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: it around if it was dealt to you upside down, 675 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: and you would have just told everybody at the table, 676 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: I have at least one face card in here. Yeah, 677 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: with total giveum and think about the mom looks. They 678 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: had to sit there an out loud go four, five, six, 679 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: and they would have to count those pips and everyone 680 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: would Now you have a six of something, right, But 681 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: that's what that's what the poker players had to do too. 682 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: But like off, until you had the squeezer cards, I 683 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: thought they had the number on there. They just had 684 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: a bigger number. I don't they had the number at all. 685 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: I know, I don't think they had the number at 686 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: all until the Squeezer the Indussease cards were introduced. And 687 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: there was one other thing about it too. Why would 688 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: they do that because other decks of plane cards had 689 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: numbers on them, Why didn't they just use those like 690 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: prior to the nineteenth century? No, just prior to the 691 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: squeezer card they did. So the squeezer card came out 692 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century, is what I'm saying. Oh have 693 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: they been around for that long? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, 694 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: And that's the first time that the actual number was printed. Yes, 695 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: before you would just have nine hearts on there. There 696 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: you go. I thought they just did it super small. No, 697 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: well no, they they put it super small, like out 698 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: of the gate. But that was too so you wouldn't 699 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: have to spread your cards out and see what you 700 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: were dealing with. You see what I'm saying. Sure, the 701 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 1: other thing that was changed with the indices, Chuck, was 702 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: remember I said that the jack's used to be called naves, 703 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: and a nave is like an assistant to the royal 704 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: family basically, or a night or something like that, and 705 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: it spelled like night k N A v E. Well, 706 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: now that you have the induices and you have a 707 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: k Q or J. If you had a k Q 708 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: or k N, which is how they initially abbreviated nave, 709 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: if you didn't spread your card far enough, you might 710 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: think you had a king, but in fact you had 711 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: a jack. And they actually changed nave to jack because 712 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,919 Speaker 1: of those indusries at the top. Yeah, and they also 713 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: used to be white on the back. They didn't even 714 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: have fancy decorations, that's right. And you know, if you 715 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: have it's very easy to mark a white card with 716 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: some smudge or something, or it might just accidentally give 717 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 1: get a smudge or a stain or something. Sure, you're 718 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: in derritos at a poker game that they can get everywhere, 719 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: and then you know, of course the derrito card is 720 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 1: the ace of spades or whatever. And apparently the Thomas 721 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: de la Ruined Company was a British printer who was 722 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: first credited with those beautiful lithographic designs on the back 723 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 1: in the early nineteenth century. And I did mention Vegas. 724 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: If you dug this stuff up, it's kind of fun. 725 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: If you wonder how how much they switched decks of 726 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: cards in Vegas. If it's going wild and crazy, they 727 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: might switch a deck of cards every hour. Yeah, for 728 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,720 Speaker 1: that same reason. They don't want them to get marked 729 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: so that somebody would have an advantage by noticing that 730 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: there's like a fray on the ace of spades, you know, 731 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: right corner or something. Yeah. The most that they use 732 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: them for is twelve hours, right, Yeah, I mean that's 733 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 1: that's it. The barry Man Aul just wasn't getting much action. 734 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: There was another thing too that a lot of people 735 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: point out that we have no idea whether it was 736 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: purposeful or not, but it's pretty astounding if it's coincidence, 737 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: right about the whole the seasons in the year and 738 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: the months and all that. Yeah, fifty two cards, right, 739 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: fifty two weeks? Yes, the two colors are they night 740 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: and day? Yes? Do those four seats suits represent the 741 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: four seasons, perhaps correct, and then what's the last? Just 742 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 1: knock them down. Here, there's twelve court cards, there's twelve 743 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: months in the year, there's thirteen cards in each suit, 744 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: and there's thirteen full moons in a year. The one 745 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: that so up to this point you're like, wow, that's 746 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: pretty amazing. This is the one that gets me. If 747 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: you count every single pip on all fifty two cards 748 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: and add them together, there are three hundred and sixty 749 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: five of them. What yeah, and't that neat? That's good stuff. 750 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: I agree. And there's a pretty cute ted talk by 751 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: a guy named m Marco Tempest from several years back 752 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: where he explains all this while doing pretty neat card tricks. 753 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: It's it's a good one. You can find it on YouTube. 754 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: All right, you got anything else about cards? I got 755 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: nothing else about cards. We've done tarot cards, trading cards, 756 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: playing cards. I guess greeting cards is next. No, Yeah, 757 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: we could do one on the Hallmark company. Maybe they'll 758 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: sponsor it. Oh, that's a great idea. We'll talk to 759 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: ad sales about that one. Yeah. Well, while we're off 760 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: talking to ad sales, Well, we'll hold off on that 761 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: and instead do a listener mail first. I'm gonna call 762 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: this just to follow up. As I was talking about 763 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: people making up their own songs, we heard from quite 764 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: a few listeners. It seems like mostly board dads who 765 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: do the same thing as I do. This is from 766 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: who is this from? This from Jeff? He said, Hey guys. 767 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: At the very beginning of the episode, Chuck details how 768 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: he makes up songs like That's Tomorrow. My eyes lit up, because, dude, 769 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: I do the exact same thing. Maybe it's a common 770 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: thing that most people do and they're too embarrassed to 771 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 1: admit to, but I've never met anyone else who claims 772 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: they do it. One example from last night I'm particularly 773 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: proud of was I was making my three year old 774 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 1: daughter dinner, grabbed the box of Annie's Macaroni and cheese, 775 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: shout out to Annie's, and almost involuntary the words. Involuntarily, 776 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: the words flew out of my mouth, and I'll go 777 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: ahead and sing it in the tune of nights and 778 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: whites Happen. Oh, okay, shells and white cheddar. Microwave is 779 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: your friend. I don't know what's better When there's not 780 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: much to spend. That's pretty good stuff. Yeah, that was 781 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: really good. I also had a little social commentary at 782 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: the end too. Yeah, and that's from Jeff with a G. 783 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,800 Speaker 1: Because it's Annie's brand. I was expecting to say something like, 784 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: it's a maccin cheese night for us, you know what 785 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: I mean? Huh Wow, I'm getting on that train too, Chuck. 786 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: It is intoxicating, isn't it. Well, if you want to 787 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 1: be like Jeff, Jeff and tell us about some amazing 788 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: song you came up with, way to go. By the way, Jeff, 789 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: that was pretty great. You can email us at stuff 790 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: podcast at iHeartRadio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is 791 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts my heart Radio, 792 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 793 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.