WEBVTT - Thank You For Your Patience, Ft. Rebecca Campbell

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<v Speaker 1>Harrison starts the episode and I don't trust Robert today.

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<v Speaker 1>You want me to start? I don't trust Robert today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time, Garrison, it's time for you to learn. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>my advice is a tonal shrieking. I am not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's gonna be like, oh, Garrison's just copying Robert's tone

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<v Speaker 1>and cadence. You mean you mean they're making sounds with

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<v Speaker 1>my mouth. Yeah, that's that's how. That's how, that's how

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<v Speaker 1>communication works. Start the episode with that and trigger everybody

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<v Speaker 1>like me. You use a microphone, it's very real. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you thieve we're recording. Let's let's do this. Hey, it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for stories. We love. We love stories here at

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<v Speaker 1>Etiquet Happen Here pod the podcast about how things are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of falling apart and too maybe some ways to

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<v Speaker 1>put them back together. Um, I'm Garrison. I'm starting this

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<v Speaker 1>episode today. I'm not sure why roberts here. I'm real hungover.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert is real hung because I didn't trust Robert to

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<v Speaker 1>do his job today. But I trust you, Garrison. You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really not trust me to do my job. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's fun. We also we also have Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>here and and we have uh writer Rebecca Campbell. Hello, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, why don't you briefly explain who who you

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<v Speaker 1>are and what what's what's going on today? Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a Canadian writer and sometimes I'm a teacher, but

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<v Speaker 1>mostly I just write really sad stories about climate change

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<v Speaker 1>and ghosts and aies and near future stuff like that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This story I'm reading is called thank You for Your Patients.

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<v Speaker 1>It came out and Reckoning for I guess last year.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, it's based on my partner's time when he

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<v Speaker 1>was working in a call center and the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>nightmares stories that I heard from them every time he

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<v Speaker 1>home from work. But it's also about me being on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the country from the part of

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<v Speaker 1>the world that I love the most, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Northwest. Um. And you know, watching Fukushima a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago and watching wildfires a few weeks ago, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>being separated from the things that are important to you, um,

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<v Speaker 1>as they're all falling apart. Well, I'm just excited that

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is now two fifths Canadian, so that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the main thing I'm excited about. Uh. No, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I just a tim Horton's cup just appeared next to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's terrible donut home I have I do have a

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Hortons cupt in my kitchen. Um, anyway, let's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's let's start this, start this, start this reading,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's eat this popsicle stand as they say a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue, Let's let's eat this. Okay, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your patience. I'm lucky because they replaced a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>chairs last month and I got a new one. A

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<v Speaker 1>good chair is important when you spend ten hours a

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<v Speaker 1>day in a cubicle talking to strangers about their problems.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been here three years and worked on most of

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<v Speaker 1>Western Morgan's services, which means I can, with no thought,

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<v Speaker 1>help grandma set up her WiFi, or troubleshoot banking software,

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<v Speaker 1>or set up your cell phone plan, or help you

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<v Speaker 1>with some app designed to find your soulmate that nevertheless

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<v Speaker 1>feels you with hopelessness. I can't help you with the hopelessness.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nonstandard, but I'm Western Morgan's floater, and Jordi, your

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<v Speaker 1>Kirsty just dropped me. Where the calls are heavy or

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<v Speaker 1>turnover as high. On Twitter, I can answer questions within

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<v Speaker 1>five seconds of some asshole in Toronto saying, what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck my TV doesn't see the house network, and I respond,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to hear that Toronto asshole. Let's see if

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<v Speaker 1>I can help. I'm at possible to rile because I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard everything, every possible stupid question, every strange request regarding

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<v Speaker 1>lapsed policies and mispayments, every paranoid rand, every sort of

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<v Speaker 1>impotent rage. The management is shitty and the customers are irritable,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's beauty and problem solving. The really bad stuff

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<v Speaker 1>started at the end of last month, when I had

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<v Speaker 1>to do on one on one majority team lead for

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<v Speaker 1>the floor. I've been fielding a bunch of questions regarding

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<v Speaker 1>a recent patch that had broken everything. I had this rhythm,

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<v Speaker 1>hitting my thirty second age T and typing without thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark here, how can I help you? But one on

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<v Speaker 1>one is mandated interruptions, So I listened to Geordy brainstorm

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<v Speaker 1>about improving morale. They stopped having barbecues because it was

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<v Speaker 1>too expensive, even when the burgers were sawdust and soy. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>no one wanted to be outside because Detroit was still burning,

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<v Speaker 1>and the PPM up to something like Beijing. Listen to

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<v Speaker 1>this Western Morgan idol. Jordy told me we judge three

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<v Speaker 1>of the top right calls, and we have a thing

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<v Speaker 1>and someone walks away with a Timmy's gift card like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty bucks. Jordi said that like it was a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What about a key fob? I asked, we can't get

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<v Speaker 1>out with what without one? After hours? But only management

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<v Speaker 1>could hold or the winner gets to wear Janes or

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<v Speaker 1>keep their phone for a shift. That didn't write an answer.

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<v Speaker 1>The most frustrating thing about Western Morrigan is that team

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<v Speaker 1>leads have to hold your phone like you're an untrusted

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<v Speaker 1>teenager who's been grounded. I feel like I'm lost in

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<v Speaker 1>a cave or a space station. When I do a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of overtime. I arrived when it's dark, and I

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<v Speaker 1>leave when it's dark. And while sometimes I go around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner for coffee or McNuggets, it always feels like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just visiting the world. I don't know what's happened,

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<v Speaker 1>if a government's fall on, or if an ice shelf

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<v Speaker 1>has collapsed, if Detroit is burning again, or maybe California

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<v Speaker 1>or the Great Lakes are dying at a slightly faster

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<v Speaker 1>rate than they were before I left for work, never

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what's going on outside. I sit in my good

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<v Speaker 1>chair and say that sounds frustrating to everyone, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>who's talking or what they want. Let me see if

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<v Speaker 1>I understand your problem. You could judge, Geordie, Stead said,

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<v Speaker 1>still talking about Morrel. You're impartial. You hate everyone. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't hate everyone, Georgy, I said reflexively, though, to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate a lot of people here. After my mandated

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes with Jordy, I saw that Misty had a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with my documentation, which has been rough since they

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<v Speaker 1>changed policy on me. She's in the Philippines, where most

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<v Speaker 1>of the real work happens. Upper management is all in India.

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<v Speaker 1>They only have us because they need Canadian accents on

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<v Speaker 1>the phones, and they get tax breaks bringing jobs to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more desolate parts of the country down

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<v Speaker 1>when from Detroit, rampant West Nile and of the province's

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<v Speaker 1>heavy metals processed at the plant out by the ball

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<v Speaker 1>of the baby's born. Here are girls something to do

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<v Speaker 1>with residual b p A. Misty is on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the Pacific in Lagaspi. But you think she

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<v Speaker 1>was right here considering how aggressively. She organizes us your

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<v Speaker 1>ship at filling out forms. Mark the rite up is

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<v Speaker 1>going to kill your rank. We're stack ranked. Every shift

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<v Speaker 1>it gets you points you can redeem. You can redeem,

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<v Speaker 1>which honestly is worth it for the grocery store gift cards.

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<v Speaker 1>Just tell me what I did wrong, Lagaspie. We were

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a rough month. The flu hit

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere at once, and no one could afford to lose

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<v Speaker 1>the work, so we had a bunch of people come in,

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<v Speaker 1>sick coughs and juicy sneezes all over the floor, and

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<v Speaker 1>half the time you got on the elevator and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>was gray faced and weaving. I came in over the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend to cover Mobile because they lost half their staff,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'd been on for eight days by Monday, when

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<v Speaker 1>Jordy was manic trying to call people in so he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have to go on the phones. He always says,

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<v Speaker 1>when we're smoking outside and he's pointedly not looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the place where the gam building used to be, It's

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<v Speaker 1>not the extra fifty cents an hour, it's the fact

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to deal with people. He hated taking calls.

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<v Speaker 1>He offered me overtime so I started coming in at

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<v Speaker 1>six and leaving at ten, and I didn't even notice

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. I do remember going home those nights and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking how hollow my room felt with my roommates playing

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<v Speaker 1>Call of Duty in the living room, and how my

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<v Speaker 1>body seemed to vibrate caffeine maybe your pseudophedan. I heard

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<v Speaker 1>phantom time warnings and chimes, and when I closed my eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see the screen and call after call flooding

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<v Speaker 1>the queue. By Saturday, Western Morgan was a haunted house,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still wasn't sick. That sounds frustrating. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>see if I can help. I was dealing with this

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<v Speaker 1>woman on Vancouver Islands who couldn't generate invoices. We'd been

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<v Speaker 1>at it for two hours and I could feel her

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<v Speaker 1>getting upset when I told her to wipe the whole

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<v Speaker 1>system and start again. I could help her with that,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was like, no, we'll lose two weeks of work.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing I can say to that, so we keep

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<v Speaker 1>troubleshooting even though it's pointless. Okay, I said, you can

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<v Speaker 1>go back to your route invoice and try. Oh, she

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<v Speaker 1>said what, And that was it. I didn't hear anything

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<v Speaker 1>but the line itself, which just went dead, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of absence you get when someone hangs up on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you there, ma'am? I called back, but I got

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<v Speaker 1>a reorder tone, not voice mail or an old fashioned

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<v Speaker 1>busy signal, but the one that means the whole system

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<v Speaker 1>is busier, blocked or down. I dropped out of the

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<v Speaker 1>queue then, which you're not supposed to do, obviously, and

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<v Speaker 1>went looking for Jordy, who was chatting with Kirsty about

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<v Speaker 1>Western Morgan idol. I asked if they knew anything, but

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<v Speaker 1>of course they didn't. And when I asked if I

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<v Speaker 1>could at least grab my phone to see what was happening,

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<v Speaker 1>Kirsty did a kind of elementary school teacher sigh. Documentation

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<v Speaker 1>for three eight zero your overdue mark. Collar dropped. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that explanation happening across the board. Looks like the

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<v Speaker 1>problems at their end. I didn't find out until Moe

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<v Speaker 1>came back from Brake Street to wet in the way

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<v Speaker 1>you are if you run out into that rain blowing

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<v Speaker 1>in from Detroit because you don't want it to touch

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<v Speaker 1>your skin, saying earthquake on the West coast, You know

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<v Speaker 1>anyone out there? I thought about the woman trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get the invoice together for a tiny order of sea

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<v Speaker 1>salts from some equally tiny place on Vancouver Island. Her

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<v Speaker 1>business so miniscule it's still fit into our cheapest subscription.

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<v Speaker 1>In my unsubmitted documentation for Misty, I had written that

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<v Speaker 1>her voice sounded like a hopeful but slightly overwhelmed great

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<v Speaker 1>aunt trying to make the remote control work. No one,

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<v Speaker 1>how bad like nine point six, the worst since forever,

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<v Speaker 1>like for hundreds of years, Jesus, I said, Jesus, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had similar moments on calls. When the shooting happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Montreal, not View ma Real, but the one with

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<v Speaker 1>the kids ran downtown from McGill and the photographer caught

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<v Speaker 1>the girl as the bullet tour at her right kneecap.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the line with this dick wad in

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<v Speaker 1>a coworking place on Maisonneuve, who was talking, who was

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<v Speaker 1>asking to talk to my supervisor? Then midwine, he stopped

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<v Speaker 1>talking like he suddenly didn't care about my attitude. I

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<v Speaker 1>could hear his phone pinging, sir, are you there? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you hear that it's happening on the street. I can

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<v Speaker 1>see a faint popping, voice raised and doors slammed. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he cut the call. I kept in the queue. I

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<v Speaker 1>helped someone update, I did a subscription renewal. The next person, though,

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<v Speaker 1>needed a backup, and that took forever. So we chatted

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<v Speaker 1>about hockey until she said, did you hear about Montreal? No, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, thinking about the sound I may be heard

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<v Speaker 1>before his phone cut. Firecrackers, backfires. Some guy shot up

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<v Speaker 1>the whole downtown. I think it was terrorists, who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>fl Q or Muslims, maybe Red Power fifty dead, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was going up every single time ever fresh the page.

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<v Speaker 1>She kept going on like this while we did a backup,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I made sure everything worked. And it had

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<v Speaker 1>been like three hours at that point, and I kept

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of the guy in his silence and what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the streets while we talked about his

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<v Speaker 1>log in and how unprofessional I was. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any friends in Montreal. I went there once to drink

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<v Speaker 1>when I was eighteen, but that's it. I just had

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<v Speaker 1>that guy and the thump of footsteps fleeing the coworking space.

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<v Speaker 1>When I took my break, the rain was falling again,

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<v Speaker 1>the faintly gray kind that runs down the sidewalks and

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<v Speaker 1>the gutters, and when it builds up enough you can

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<v Speaker 1>see it's a little milky because it's full of ash.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think too hard about what's running into your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes as you stand outside smoking until your pack is empty,

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<v Speaker 1>you go eat a twenty four box of tim Bits

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<v Speaker 1>or six Big Max, or you stopped for one beer

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<v Speaker 1>on the way home, and only leave when they push

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<v Speaker 1>you out the door. Geordie was outside. I gave him

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<v Speaker 1>a cigarette, even though he doesn't smoke either, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem to be getting cleaner. Wasn't it supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to get cleaner. He grew up in Detroit, though he

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<v Speaker 1>was already over here when it burned last year. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's safer. The ham is worse. I thought the ham

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to go away. When they sent in the

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<v Speaker 1>cleanup cruise. We watched the warm, ash colored water run

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<v Speaker 1>down the gutters until it was ankle deep. This city

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<v Speaker 1>is a wetland, and there isn't far for water to go,

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<v Speaker 1>so it ends up in people's basements. All that ashy,

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<v Speaker 1>bony water unning through foundations and drains, a constant trickle

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<v Speaker 1>in the background, sort of like the faint pop you

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<v Speaker 1>might hear while you're on the phone with a guy

0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:12.199
<v Speaker 1>from Montreal wants to talk to your manager. Does it

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<v Speaker 1>feel Jordy said, and lit another cigarette. What Jordy I

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<v Speaker 1>hate how often he doesn't finish his sentences. Does it

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's happening more? Now? The sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I dropped my smoke into the rain water and I shrugged.

0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Then I said I wish I knew what to tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>which wasn't a real answer, and I used my tech

0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.600
<v Speaker 1>support voice when I said it, because I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to have that conversation. On my first break after the earthquake,

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<v Speaker 1>I smoked and watched the rain and videos on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone live streaming the moment it hit bored talk about

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<v Speaker 1>food or weather, than a strange look on their face,

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes dart upward. Then the phone falls overhead. Footage

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<v Speaker 1>from helicopters of downtown Vancouver, all those green towers swaying

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<v Speaker 1>and falling, and the bridge swinging until the cable snap

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<v Speaker 1>like rubber bands, the worst in recorded history, worse probably

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<v Speaker 1>than the last megathrust in seventeen hundred. I just kept

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of that woman and the sort of quiet shock

0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.920
<v Speaker 1>in her voice her, Oh is that? And then nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was standing out in the rain, still warm,

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<v Speaker 1>when it occurred to me that I might have heard

0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.760
<v Speaker 1>her last words. I kept thinking about the texture of

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<v Speaker 1>the silence after the call dropped, and what had happened

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<v Speaker 1>the moment after that, if that had been the worst

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<v Speaker 1>of it, the shock of the whole world rumbling, or

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<v Speaker 1>if it had been worse for her after that or

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<v Speaker 1>right now or tomorrow. I only had ten minutes because

0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.840
<v Speaker 1>call volume was increasing. My throat started to tickle in

0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the world just suddenly out of nowhere, started to look glassy.

0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.200
<v Speaker 1>The light thick from the ceiling squares, and my skin

0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.600
<v Speaker 1>prickled when I ran my hands over my arms, which

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<v Speaker 1>were covered with goose bumps. The floor was nearly empty

0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.760
<v Speaker 1>except for Jority running around supervising and not taking calls,

0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and the cue was packed. My first call was round

0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.040
<v Speaker 1>way north along the coast Prince Rupe heard a woman

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<v Speaker 1>calling about a password reset. I want Mark, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>he helped me before. Can I talk to Mark? While

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<v Speaker 1>I was documenting, I thought, fuck it, I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>Misty what the old woman told me while we were

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for the password reset email about how when you're

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<v Speaker 1>that far north, you don't notice time passing, and you

0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.880
<v Speaker 1>feel good in an unimaginable way in summer, luminous and hopeful,

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<v Speaker 1>and how in winter all you want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>die and drink yourself into a coma. So you know

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<v Speaker 1>it balances out. After that, I reopened three zero. An

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<v Speaker 1>elderly woman, I wrote on a phone, trying to print

0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.360
<v Speaker 1>invoices for locally produced sea salt, looks over at the

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<v Speaker 1>rack of glass jars in which she keeps her stock

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<v Speaker 1>because she hears a rattle, then another. Then she says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>is that and nothing else, because at that moment, the

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<v Speaker 1>force of rashimas lit the Cascadius abduction zone, on which

0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Vancouver Island rests like a cork in a bottle. Centuries

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<v Speaker 1>of continental tension released. I type that, then I hit send.

0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Then I added a secondary note on her file. At

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty two p s t A nine point eight

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<v Speaker 1>hit the Cascadia subduction zone, and Misty was right there

0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.040
<v Speaker 1>on chad hive, not telling me it was inappropriate. She wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>rest their souls, and I was comforted by those temporary words,

0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.960
<v Speaker 1>which surprised me. My grandparents were on minda now in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventy six earthquake, You got anyone there? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard the hum from Detroit. It was somehow a

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<v Speaker 1>relief to know that across the world, Misty was in

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<v Speaker 1>a similar room among people evaluating documentation for apps and

0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I s p s and accounting software. People saying that

0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.280
<v Speaker 1>must be frustrating. Let's see if I can help. Something

0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.480
<v Speaker 1>occurred to me. Do you hear anything about tsunamis no

0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.800
<v Speaker 1>word so far? Do you have your phones? You can

0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.440
<v Speaker 1>get the alerts. They'll let us know we're so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking calls, so I won't be fixing your dog

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<v Speaker 1>until tomorrow. I wondered if Kirsty would let us know,

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<v Speaker 1>or if she would dither about it until all we

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<v Speaker 1>could do was climbed to the top floor of the

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<v Speaker 1>building and watch a way consume what was left of

0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Detroit before it swamped us to five more calls, and

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I refilled my water bottle, the one with the slogan

0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.800
<v Speaker 1>on it fueling small business with the tools to succeed

0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that some now lost Western Morgan contract brought in. And

0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.359
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at my skin reflected in the sink,

0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.560
<v Speaker 1>which was the color of those pale, lumpy smokers. You

0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.119
<v Speaker 1>see outside the entrance the color of a raw filet

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<v Speaker 1>o fish. I felt adrenalized, like a moment before it'd

0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.600
<v Speaker 1>been terrified, but I could not remember how or why.

0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I wondered what it was doing to me inside. All

0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.480
<v Speaker 1>those cells now remade into virus factories, turning to goog

0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and wash and sloughing off while the virus proliferated through

0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.040
<v Speaker 1>my system, and I left traces of it on everything

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<v Speaker 1>I touched. The water ran over the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>bottle clear. So far the ash hasn't worked its way

0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.200
<v Speaker 1>in through the city's water system, or maybe it has,

0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and it was invisible like the microplastics in the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna judge it, was Jordy. We're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>it next week. I was thinking, we set a time limit,

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<v Speaker 1>like five minutes, you and me and Kirsty judge it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll grab a fifty for the Timmy's card too, man,

0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I said. Georgie just stared at me. You're getting sick.

0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.040
<v Speaker 1>You know what you need to do. He went on

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<v Speaker 1>about ekenesia and flu effects, and I thought about the

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<v Speaker 1>tsunami that was or was not traveling across the Pacific,

0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.119
<v Speaker 1>or just hammer your system with antioxidants to take a

0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.639
<v Speaker 1>double dose of night quill. Without thinking, I pulled my

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<v Speaker 1>phone out of my pocket. You know you can't have

0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that anywhere on the floor. I was already googling Pacific

0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.280
<v Speaker 1>tsunami alert, and it was rolling rainbows, and I stared

0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.280
<v Speaker 1>at it so hard that it seemed to take over

0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.639
<v Speaker 1>the whole world. And then I shivered. But Jority was

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<v Speaker 1>still talking, don't make me write you up. I don't

0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.720
<v Speaker 1>want to deal with it, okay, I said, It's about

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<v Speaker 1>privacy for our users. They need to know that they

0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.480
<v Speaker 1>can trust our integrity, our word, and our system. The

0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.320
<v Speaker 1>poster on the far side of the break room said integrity,

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<v Speaker 1>word and system. I saw that the alert had been

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<v Speaker 1>issued for Japan. That's when he took my phone. You

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<v Speaker 1>fucked the dog. I have to write you up. I

0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.880
<v Speaker 1>don't want to write you up Japan. And six hours,

0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.479
<v Speaker 1>eight pm I'd still be on. Then, while very far away,

0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.040
<v Speaker 1>a wave crested on the sea coast, filling the river

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<v Speaker 1>basins and the car parks. I know you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to surrender your phone, even if they can require you

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<v Speaker 1>to leave it at home. I know they're not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to lock you in either or let you smoke within

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<v Speaker 1>three ms of the door, even when the ashes falling.

0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.119
<v Speaker 1>They're not supposed to pay you in points. You can

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<v Speaker 1>then exchange for grocery store gift cards, which you need

0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.040
<v Speaker 1>because the new minimum wage wasn't even covering rent. But

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<v Speaker 1>I needed a job. The next call I got was

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<v Speaker 1>farther south, closer to the epicenter. The first thing I

0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.800
<v Speaker 1>did was asked about the earthquake. Oh, we felt it,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a tsunami warning. But we're far enough inland

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.960
<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't be tsunami warning. So when I go try

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<v Speaker 1>to log in tsunami, I keep getting the same error.

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<v Speaker 1>It says my accounts frozen. What does that mean? I

0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.440
<v Speaker 1>need to do some invoices And yeah, I just got

0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.280
<v Speaker 1>the text like half an hour ago. Landfall is like

0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.000
<v Speaker 1>an hour. The account was frozen due to misspayments. So

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<v Speaker 1>I pointed that out and the guy insisted no. He

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<v Speaker 1>set up an automated transfer, and he kept me on

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<v Speaker 1>the line while he chatted with the banks tech support

0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.600
<v Speaker 1>on another line to sort out the direct deposit, and

0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 1>then I reactivated his account. All this time the tsunami

0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.720
<v Speaker 1>traveling towards the coast or the shallower bottom would raise

0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the waves height by narrowing its length. Because the last

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<v Speaker 1>time I'd been outside, I'd looked at a gift on

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<v Speaker 1>Wikipedia that demonstrated how tsunami's crest as they traveled through

0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.879
<v Speaker 1>shallow waters. The last thing he said wasn't thanks it

0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.359
<v Speaker 1>was there. It is. The tide's going way out. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope everyone's out of downtown. Then he was gone, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine it, the water running away from the

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<v Speaker 1>shore like a huge exhalation and then collecting into a

0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 1>rising wave that would destroy them all the tsunami warning

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote in chat hive, hoping Misty was there. Kirsty

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.679
<v Speaker 1>responded instantly that is not appropriate. Chat hive is for

0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.359
<v Speaker 1>important work stuff. We haven't heard anything, but we were swamps,

0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 1>so who knows what's going on outside. Chat Hi channel

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.360
<v Speaker 1>will only be used for appropriate business related business. Maybe

0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.199
<v Speaker 1>you should get out. Chat hi channel will only be

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<v Speaker 1>used for appropriate business related business. I've been there for

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen hours and I couldn't remember the last time I

0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:17.840
<v Speaker 1>slept a full night at home when I hadn't been

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>buzzed on cold pills in exhaustion and the sound of

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<v Speaker 1>call of duty from the living room that week when

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<v Speaker 1>I did sleep, I kept saying, this is Mark from Magnicore,

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<v Speaker 1>or this is Mark from wherever I am right now,

0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.680
<v Speaker 1>and heard explosions and the way voices carry over the

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<v Speaker 1>river from Detroit, the screams and the crowds and the gunshots.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe I was never actually asleep, Maybe I was

0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.440
<v Speaker 1>just off my head. I shouldn't have washed the pills

0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.640
<v Speaker 1>down with beer. But there's that thing that happens when

0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 1>you stop in for a beer after work, and the

0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.960
<v Speaker 1>inertia of the whole thing, the job, the shitty beer,

0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that a person brings you food even

0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.399
<v Speaker 1>if you can't afford it. It sticks you to your seat.

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<v Speaker 1>It was bad last summer when we couldn't afford to

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<v Speaker 1>run the a C. But the bar on the way

0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.320
<v Speaker 1>home could, and it was full of familiar guys, broke

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.879
<v Speaker 1>and lonely and trying to avoid looking at what was

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>left of the Detroit skyline, or the gray green clouds

0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 1>boiling to the north, and the hail and the lightning

0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:11.720
<v Speaker 1>storms every afternoon like clockwork. The summers are definitely hotter,

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.439
<v Speaker 1>and the mosquitoes are definitely worse. And the last summer

0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I noticed that the birds don't sing anymore, all their

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 1>whistles and like video game lasers. I stepped outside for

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<v Speaker 1>another cigarette and realized the door had been locked. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a fall because I don't rate a fob.

0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Jordy was there too, setting up his stupid Western Morgan

0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.200
<v Speaker 1>idle piles a bright pink and green and blue post it.

0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Now it's all over his desk. I need to go out.

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:38.440
<v Speaker 1>The doors are locked for the night. I need to

0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.240
<v Speaker 1>go out. We lost another girl from online. You'll have

0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.160
<v Speaker 1>to take over social media if we lose anyone else.

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Take your break here. I just kind of stared at him,

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and my skin prickled, like all the suit of a

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.239
<v Speaker 1>phedron I had taken had rushed to the surface and

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was blasting every single nerve ending in my body. I

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>need to go outside. You can't, like you physically can't.

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I kind of stood there, and I'm ashamed to say

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to cry, like a little kid who isn't

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.400
<v Speaker 1>allowed to use the bathroom, who just wants to sit

0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 1>with his dad but keeps getting dragged away by unfamiliar relatives.

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:13.679
<v Speaker 1>The kind of crying you see on the bus at

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:15.840
<v Speaker 1>rush hour when some little kid coming back from the

0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.679
<v Speaker 1>mall loses it and lies in the aisle wailing, cramming

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 1>road salt in his mouth, and you just think you

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and me both. I didn't actually cry. I hate myself

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 1>because I just said, begging, can I please have my

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 1>phone back? Please? Jordy looked at me like I was

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:32.680
<v Speaker 1>an idiot him in the middle of all the post

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 1>it notes that read congratulations, and You're a winner and

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Western Morgan idol. I didn't say anything. I left at first.

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<v Speaker 1>I just sat in the lunch room, shivering and nauseated,

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<v Speaker 1>staring at the plastic solo cup left over from the

0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:48.680
<v Speaker 1>barbecues they used to give before the ash. There will

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<v Speaker 1>be worse moments in my life, no doubt, more pain,

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 1>more sadness, but I can't imagine anything so wide ranging

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:59.080
<v Speaker 1>in its desolation as that moment. The only thing I

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<v Speaker 1>could focus on was telling Missy to get her phone

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<v Speaker 1>back and watch the horizon and be ready to escape.

0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>A girl from online staggered through, sweaty and pale, and

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that Jordy would be there in a minute

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<v Speaker 1>to ask for another eight hours overnight answering stranger's questions

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 1>so perfectly that they treat me like a shitty customer

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 1>service AI built to serve. There aren't a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>choices in life, are there. You can choose to have

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<v Speaker 1>kids or not, to leave your hometown or not, or

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in a terrible job you are, for some reason,

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 1>very good at. But other than that, what is there?

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<v Speaker 1>Just a lot of compliance and non compliance. This moment

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel like a choice. I said to the girl,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to get out of here, and she nodded.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we headed down to the lobby. The doors were

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<v Speaker 1>locked and no one caring a key was in the building,

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and the girl just looked bad. But when I went

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<v Speaker 1>to the fire escape, she still said, no, no, we're

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.919
<v Speaker 1>not supposed to. We need to get out. They'll fire us.

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>And I could hear the fear in her voice, and

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I wondered how badly she needed this job, that she

0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>was here in the middle of the night. It's so

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>sick she could hardly stand. Tell them I did it,

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I said, and hit the bar, only it didn't move

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>because the fire escape was locked too. The next thing

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I did was stupid, but I don't know what else

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>I could have done. I walked back to the lobby

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and picked up a garbage can and began slamming it

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>into the glass door behind me. She was coughing and

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.159
<v Speaker 1>coughing and said maybe stop, stop, but so faintly I

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 1>could ignore it. Then we were out, and she was

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>staggering towards the emergency room on wilette and I was

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>alone in the rain water the same temperature as my blood.

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Then I went looking for a pay phone, because the

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 1>only way to sort this out was to call in.

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>But I couldn't remember which of Western Morgan's departments Misty

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>was assigned to. So when I finally found the city's

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 1>last pay phone in the bus depot, I called them all,

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.399
<v Speaker 1>all the sad voices of men and women here and

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the world. Welcome to Kyphus

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 1>Business Systems, Jane speaking, Can I help you? Welcome to

0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:00.080
<v Speaker 1>Tesla Mobility. Can I help you? Welcome to ross Am

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>Account Services. Welcome the Lighthouse Mobility. I'm looking for Misty,

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.879
<v Speaker 1>she helped me before. I'm sure I can help you.

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>What's your user number? Misty? Misty knows, I said, my voice,

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 1>queer less and elderly. Put on Misty. I could hear

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the exhaustion in his silence. Than the compliance one moment,

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:22.199
<v Speaker 1>I'll transfer you. Hey, Misty, I said, Misty, Misty, you

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 1>need to get to high ground. What who is this?

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Just promise, Kay, there's no tsunami warning. It's on its way.

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>It's passing Japan and Hawaii. It hit the Allusians California.

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I hope she didn't mistake me for what I felt

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>like right then, a crazy old man mad with loneliness,

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.879
<v Speaker 1>longing to hear a voice in the void, even if

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>it was only to harangue them for the weakness of

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:49.160
<v Speaker 1>their service and the terrible nature of their product. Mark,

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:53.199
<v Speaker 1>another six hours to landfall. I know you'll still be

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 1>on shift, promise. I waited for her to disconnect, which

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 1>was okay because at least I told her then. I

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>think maybe she said thank you, Mark, or maybe it

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>was just the noise in my head. I held the

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 1>line another moment that hung up. I felt okay because

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I got through, because I wasn't in a cubicle anymore,

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>because I could walk home and enjoy the silence before

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>call of duty marathons in the living room, enjoy the

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>ashy rain falling across my slowly cooking skin. I walked home.

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Misty I walked home hoping. Misty said, thank you Mark.

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>It felt like I was slipping through a gap in

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the world between noises, a kind of silent passage, the

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>way kids slip along the abandoned rail easements in town

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 1>below grade, the corridors of grass and rats and squirrels

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and birds, between the noise of the phones and call

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 1>of duty, between heart beats, between crusting waves, the silence

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you hang on to for just a moment when someone

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>hangs up, before you go on to the next call,

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>because there is temporarily a respite from the tyranny of

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the queue, The silence after a bullet connects or a

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>wave hits on the other side of the world. I

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>just hope harder and harder and harder that Misty would

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>insist they unlock the doors and break the windows, and

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 1>they would escape before the wave arrived to wash the

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>rest of us away. I don't know how to add

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a clapping sound effect without it just sounding horrible in

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the audio. Airhorns, you know what, Daniel um already straight

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>seconds of air horns or or or not? Um? I

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>think the air horns are good. I was beautiful. Yeah,

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that was wonderful. It's really incredible, Thank you so much,

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and particularly relevant now Yeah yeah, unfortunately, Yeah yeah, it's

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>with what's happened. Yeah yeah, that is extra extras thinking

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>about the whole town, what happened in the past week. Yeah, yeah,

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>that is a it sucks. HM. If people want to

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>find more of your work, or if there's anything you'd

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>like to plug, now is the time, okay. UM. I

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>have a website. It's called where is here dot c

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a UM and I have jeez links to a bunch

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>of my different short stories there. I have a novella

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>coming out next year. A few years ago I postulationed

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>a novel UM. But if you're interested in the climate

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>change stuff, there's probably one I'd recommend called UM an

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Important Failure that was in Clark's World. It's available to

0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>read online. It's been translated into Polish. It's in a

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 1>couple of different collections. UM. And if I'm allowed to brag,

0:29:55.960 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>which it won this the the Sturgeon Award last year,

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>which is a science fiction award handed out by UM,

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>an academic organization in the US SO and it's about

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>it's about climate change. It's all set on Vancouver Island

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>in Vancouver. I've heard you. I've heard you also have

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>stories about ghosts. Yes, I have a genre I'm trying

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.959
<v Speaker 1>to establish that I call obstetrical horror that I started

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>writing when I was pregnant. Yeah, giving birth is just

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>such body horror. So ghosts, childbirth, all that stuff. Yeah,

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I read a lot about ghosts as well. You can find,

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>like I say, a lot of that stuff on my

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>website and links to anything that's available for free online.

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, where is here? Dot c A and I'm

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter a um at Canadianist, but I don't really

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 1>use it that much. So I am excited for the

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>combination of climate change fiction with horror fiction. Um, And

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>by excited, it's like half half actually excited, half dreading

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of it's gonna probably be horrible in

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>terms of people being like, you know, what's scary climate

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 1>change and you're like, okay, but yeah, but oh sorry,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>go on. I don't know, but I think there definitely

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>is a good way to combine the the exsential elements

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>of both of those things to something that actually is

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>really impactful that plays on human fears and emotions and

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>how we can get over those fears and move towards

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>something useful. Yeah. And it's also that horror going back

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>for well however long you want to we've been telling

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 1>stories has given us a series of structures to kind

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 1>of process that. UM. And I think that's really valuable,

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that their patterns we can use to work through. And

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean writing climate change fiction for me, I just

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>finished another novella UM that's specifically about like near future

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff and about the wildfires a lot um. But you know,

0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>having a story to tell about it as a way

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of process sing all the research I was doing UM

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>was really valued. It's super useful. Yeah, and just um,

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can call it therapeutic if you want,

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think it's that. I think it's organizing

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>information in your head that is just simply too large

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>for you to actually grasp. I mean I can't actually

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 1>grasp this stuff. But no you can't. It's it's too bad. Yeah,

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly trying to me. Yeah, horror does that probably

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>better than almost any other genre. Yeah, I mean, look

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>what it horror does with adolescent anxieties or um, you know,

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of different the fear of dying, the fear

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of aging, the film if your illness and stuff like that.

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think we have structures in place with

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 1>horror fiction, um and with sort of science fiction horror

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that kind of are gonna let us start to process

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>things that are otherwise just too intellectual or not intellectual.

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>But to abstract that's too it's too Yeah, abstractors, I

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>think is the right term, because I mean, like, guess

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>my fear of that is that, like climate change fiction

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>is just gonna resort to like the disaster story and

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>it has very like glamorized, weird versions of like apocalypses

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and disasters and like collapse and very like big ways

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 1>that impact everything around you. When in actuality, the effects

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>that they have are very localized and small and are

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>still horrifying, but the way that they're framed is always frustrating.

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>In films, and you look at like, you know, a

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 1>typical like you know, like apocalypse themed movie, I think

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>is I'm afraid that the bigger you know, if you

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>turn turn talking about like big movies, how it's going

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>to frame in that way instead of these more kind

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>of personal stories of like the horror of being trapped

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>inside a warehouse as a tornado comes and you're not

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>allowed to leave, which is a way more horrifying than Oh, look,

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>all of New York City is crumbling because of this pseudami,

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>which is so big and like possible, I guess, but

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>like that's so big you can't feel that. And what's

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>more like gonna happen is people getting trapped in buildings

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and not being allowed to leave. And that's that's that's like,

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>that's actual horner. Yeah, and it's intimate too, write like

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not in distant idea. It's intimate. It's

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the particular consequence of something for a community, for an individual,

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 1>for relationships. And if I can go on on this um,

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>there's an entire genre of apocalyptic fiction that kind of

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 1>comes out of the early Cold War, and they're always

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 1>these weirdly cozy apocalypse is where one white guy survives

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>and in the new world he builds this kind of

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>feudal fantasy. So I've actually this one filled the Last Babylon,

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 1>where a character says, of these two spinster ladies that

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 1>were miserable before the nuclear war, after the nuclear war,

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>they're really happy because their lives have meaning now, And

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 1>it's this it's those are the apocalyptic stories that we've

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 1>had we need a new kind of story, a new

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of horror that I think, um that does exactly

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about, that doesn't default to that weird

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>heroism and one guy surviving kind of thing. There's a

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>wonderful Corey doctor short story that that I think pivots

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 1>off that idea nicely. Um In his his book What

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>is Unauthorized Toast, I think Bread an authorized Bread is

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the stories in it, But the book is

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>has a different it's a collection of his short stories.

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 1>But there's um a post apocalyptic story that kind of

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>follows a bunch of tech bros trying to do the

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>traditional like survive the the apocalypse makes everything you know

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>better for me, I get to be a cool warlord thing.

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>It's it's good. It doesn't end well for them. Um, yeah,

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I I think the I think the thing that is

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 1>important to do is like focus on the horror of

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the little things, like the little things on like a

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 1>global scale, Like like the thing that is so frightening

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>about climate change is that all of these the terrible

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>things it's bringing are going to hit the same way

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 1>mass shootings do, where it is a calamity for a

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>community and people fifty miles away, try to pretend it

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't happen and get to doing like their their daily stuff.

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what's that's what's so scary about it. It's

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>not like you said, it's not the buildings in New

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>York collapsing from a tidal wave. It's the birds stop

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>singing and you still have to go to work. I'm

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm writing a script right now for probably the

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>show about how climate change is hard to think about

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 1>because because how how big it is and one of

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<v Speaker 1>like the models that I'm trying to draw a comparison

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<v Speaker 1>from this, Like it's almost like climate changes is like

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<v Speaker 1>a type is like a type of Cathulhu in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the way it affects you, but you'll probably get

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<v Speaker 1>by it's it can affect your neighbors, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>watch it and you can watch it have other people,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it doesn't mean that your life is going

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<v Speaker 1>to end this way because it's so it's so ma

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<v Speaker 1>can uncaring, it can attack so many places at once,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't know how like how big this effects

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<v Speaker 1>are and how and what what what what the scale

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<v Speaker 1>of them will be on your local area. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like this it's this thing that is way more existential

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<v Speaker 1>than anything else because it it does not, it does

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<v Speaker 1>not care, it has it has no morality. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not out to get you specifically. It's this weird,

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<v Speaker 1>this weird thing that's just getting imposed upon us now.

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<v Speaker 1>And that type of horror in fiction, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>something that at least I want to explore in my

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<v Speaker 1>next few years of writing. And I'm excited to read

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<v Speaker 1>other people's work who kind of covered that similar side

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<v Speaker 1>of horror and combining with like climate change and the

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<v Speaker 1>small ways it's going to start affecting us in places

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. I think, um, that what you said

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<v Speaker 1>and isn't isn't there so many talks about the Catholic scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's Donna Harroway, Donna Harroway, that's it. Yeah, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But but also just how weak some of our previous

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<v Speaker 1>narratives like you can't you can't bring in you new

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<v Speaker 1>Judeo Christian apocalypse is to this kind of thing because

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<v Speaker 1>we can't. There's not you can't. We can't have that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of moralizing in it, um that we need. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's honestly, Cathulo is really handy for that cosmic horror

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<v Speaker 1>because it forces you to, as you say, face something

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<v Speaker 1>on an existential level. Um that how you feel and

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<v Speaker 1>who you are and your individual experience does not matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a lot of people, like you know us,

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<v Speaker 1>we're watching what's happening in Kansas right now, and like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not in Kansas. I don't know anyone in Kansas.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at this calamity and it's so distant from me,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's also very close. And that's a weird

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<v Speaker 1>feeling to deal with. UM. And I can see oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>corporations are contributing to this specifically, like climate change as

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<v Speaker 1>in general, but like like Amazon trapping people inside inside

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<v Speaker 1>these warehouses. It's like, I can there's ways to fight

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<v Speaker 1>extensions of this, but you can't fight it. You can

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<v Speaker 1>only fight its extensions. And that's and yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a super it's a super interesting thing that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I think, Yeah, we are going to see you know, this,

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<v Speaker 1>this idea get dealt with more and more as these

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<v Speaker 1>things start happening more and more. Um and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean climate change, cosmic corps maybe maybe the way to go. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's I think that's a good line to

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<v Speaker 1>end on, or at least a good thought to end on. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, Rebecca for coming on and sharing

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<v Speaker 1>your story. Would you mind plugging your website one last

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<v Speaker 1>time since we extra like fifteen minutes. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's people may not have noted it last time

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<v Speaker 1>before the conversation. We should give them another chance. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So the website it is, where is here? Dot c

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<v Speaker 1>r E dot c A excellent all right, Well, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much, Rebecca. Um, until next time, everybody lose

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<v Speaker 1>your mind with the cosmic horror something something anything, any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cosmic car that causes you to to your

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<v Speaker 1>your mind to scramble and you to begin worshiping in

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<v Speaker 1>the dark corners of the world. Any anything that does

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<v Speaker 1>that is good. So well, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>having me. It's an absolute pleasure, very very happy to

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