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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 2: and speaker.

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Speaker 3: And this is Sarah hart Hunger. I'm a mother of three,

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Speaker 3: a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are

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Speaker 3: two working parents who love our careers and our families.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 2: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 2: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping.

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Speaker 3: Out long term career goals.

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Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. In

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Speaker 1: this episode, Sarah is going to be interviewing Lisa Woodruff,

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Speaker 1: who is the owner of Organized three sixty five and

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Speaker 1: a longtime friend of this podcast and people have listened

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Speaker 1: to a past episode where she's on. She's also a

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Speaker 1: business sponsor of this podcast, which is just amazing. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate that. So Sarah maybe could tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the episode and also how your general

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Speaker 1: organization is going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am always inspired by the way Lisa's brain

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Speaker 3: works and the things she talks about, and they often change,

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Speaker 3: like she's a very creative and energetic person, and she

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Speaker 3: even she'll say like I'm really good at like starting

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Speaker 3: So I think you'll really enjoyed that aspect of Lisa.

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Speaker 3: I've been very inspired by her, you know, different organizing programs,

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Speaker 3: which she has actually changed around a lot to be

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Speaker 3: which is good because I was struggling to like complete

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Speaker 3: them the way they were initially laid out. But she's

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Speaker 3: inspired me to get a lot of my own organizing

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Speaker 3: done and I am starting to make some progress, although

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Speaker 3: ironically in the areas that she like says not to

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Speaker 3: the kids' rooms. I mean, she is absolutely correct that

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Speaker 3: I am making some progress, and that organize all of

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Speaker 3: my stationary supplies, which had actually been like on like

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Speaker 3: and then I emptied out all my drawers. I got

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Speaker 3: felt really really good. My wa washy tape is all

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Speaker 3: you know, lined up Laura, it looks awesome.

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Speaker 3: But the other thing that Lisa and I are going

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Speaker 3: at least I did, is that she chose to go

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Speaker 3: And I think this is relevant for many listeners because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely looking forward to that. Yeah, I'm more in

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Speaker 3: I am so excited to chat today with Lisa Woodra,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm losing count. She actually asked me

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Speaker 3: you because you are assassinating and a very different thinker

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Speaker 4: And I have joked around on my podcast about wanting

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Speaker 4: home mom, blogger turned podcaster, quasi business owner is talking about.

435
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Speaker 4: But when you just what PhD after, I'd be like, oh,

436
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 4: doctor Woodriff said, I.

437
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 3: Don't know, And it's kind of a joke, but not

438
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 3: a joke. You do have a unique set of skills

439
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: and experiences and characteristics that, given your interest in doing this,

440
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 3: makes you perfectly positioned to do it. Not everybody would

441
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: be interested in doing it, but since you are, like

442
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 3: who has all this personal and also client experience, customer

443
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 3: experience in so many different ways to run a household,

444
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: some of which are effective, some of which are not effective,

445
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Speaker 3: And I can't imagine anybody who has a broader perspective

446
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 3: on what works. So this is super exciting.

447
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Speaker 4: And I did just want to point out, like I'm

448
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 4: not making a light of getting a PhD, Like it

449
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 4: is going to be a solid four years and I

450
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 4: already I could tell my brain is completely changing. Was

451
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 4: just one term done, Like getting a PhD is a

452
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 4: process of becoming a critical thinker and thinking like a doctor,

453
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 4: and thinking analytically and being able to cite everything you're

454
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 4: talking about, like even in the podcast now sometimes I'll

455
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 4: say I'll add citations into my podcast show notes because

456
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 4: I'll be referencing studies that I've read. And so it

457
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: is the process of becoming a doctor, not just the letters.

458
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: I don't want to, you know, everybody like, wow, she

459
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 4: just thinks you you know, No, it is a seriousness to.

460
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Speaker 3: It, Lisa. It is very clear that the passion is there.

461
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody listening to this doubt that, and

462
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Speaker 3: I'm just really excited. I'm you said your series where

463
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Speaker 3: You So on Lisa's podcast on Organized through sixty five,

464
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: which if you don't listen to it, it is an

465
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 3: excellent podcast on so many different kind of household slash

466
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 3: organization slash I don't know, like life type topics. But

467
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: recently there's been a great series which was like thirteen

468
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 3: or fourteen long about doing your PhD, which I think

469
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Speaker 3: you were recording in the car, which, by the way,

470
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Speaker 3: blows my mind because I could never do that. I'm

471
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 3: a terrible driver. You don't want me to podcast and

472
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 3: record it anyway, So tell listeners about that, and is

473
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: that going to continue because I've loved hearing actually the

474
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: nitty gritty of how you're fitting this in and what

475
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: the journey's been like as a very non traditional student.

476
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Speaker 4: Yes. So it's going to end up being I think

477
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: sixteen or seventeen episodes. It's on Mondays, and it's pulled

478
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 4: out into a separate playlist, so if you listen on Apple,

479
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: like I've pulled out playlists into different channels and things

480
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 4: like that. You know, I did similar things when Abbie

481
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 4: got pregnant and then had our grand baby. When you

482
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 4: are sharing your life and being an organized person, organization

483
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 4: changes as you go through different stages and you have

484
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: to continually level up your organization and change out what

485
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 4: you're doing. And so I thought, first of all, I'm

486
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 4: going to talk a lot about getting a PHGA, might

487
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 4: as well record a podcast. And second of all, the planning,

488
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 4: like I was planning for the two months before I started.

489
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 4: All the time all I was thinking about like, Okay,

490
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: this is this going to stay? Is this going to go?

491
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 4: How am I going to keep doing this? What about this?

492
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 4: What can I systematize? Because I'm looking at like, you know,

493
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 4: a four year journey here. It's not just I'm going

494
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Speaker 4: to do this for ten weeks and then I'll pop

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Speaker 4: back into my life. And I thought there would be

496
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Speaker 4: benefit for other people to see, how do you add

497
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Speaker 4: in like a thirty hour week commitment for four years

498
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 4: in your life? What kind of decisions do you have

499
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 4: to make? But then also, I haven't been in school

500
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 4: in thirty years, and I've never been a straight A student,

501
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 4: so learning isn't like easy for me, and academia is.

502
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 4: I'm a professional business owner now, like I want to

503
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 4: do a good job, like I want to represent well,

504
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 4: and so I had to think about, like we're recording

505
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: this and I actually have my hair in a bun.

506
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: I never wore my hair in a ponytailer or a

507
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: bun before I started the PhD. I had to wrestle

508
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: with that for a long time, like is it okay?

509
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 4: Is it professional for me not to have my hair

510
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 4: down and curly? Which sounds completely silly, except you've done

511
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 4: it too, because we do, like we totally have to

512
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 4: think through all of these things. So I did that.

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00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: I thought through all of those things that I put

514
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: them in there and then as we're going through like

515
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: how did it work? As I would go through different

516
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: stages of the term, like how am I doing with coursework?

517
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: I traveled four times during that term, had a birthday,

518
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: just like how does real life happen when you change?

519
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: And now I could tell you that series has come

520
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 4: to an end because I am now a PhD student

521
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 4: and a CEO. When I started that series, I was

522
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 4: a CEO who was starting her PhD, but not even

523
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 4: sure that we were going to continue on, because like

524
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 4: if Greg said we're done, I was going to be done.

525
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 4: And so how did I take all of the organization

526
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Speaker 4: and productivity and everything that I learned and everything else

527
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 4: I'd done and apply it into this and then really

528
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 4: transition that now I am that person, just like I

529
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: am a grandparent now I can't even imagine when I

530
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: wasn't when I was worried about how much time a

531
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Speaker 4: grandchild wild take. And that's so true when you give

532
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 4: ready to start something, you have no idea how you're

533
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 4: going to do it, and even when you start doing it,

534
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: you're not sure that you want to continue on, and

535
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 4: you might quit. But then eventually you just take on

536
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: that identity and you add it to everything else you're

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00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 4: already doing.

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00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: Which is a great metaphor for parenting in some ways,

539
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: too right, because it seems so especially when you're looking

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00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: at it before you've actually had the child, before you're

541
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: in it. It just seems like, how will I shape

542
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: my life around this? And then you just do you

543
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: figure it out? And I could see that how like

544
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: a podcast series in the very beginning would make sense.

545
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: But then by the time your kid is one, like, well,

546
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: you've probably found your rhythms, and there's not as much

547
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: to say. Okay, fine, well you should all listen to

548
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: the series. It is great. The other thing I wanted

549
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: to ask you about is you have kind of like

550
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 3: changed up kind of your overall guide to how to

551
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: get your entire household organized. I feel like it's become

552
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 3: more flexible, less prescriptive. Has your research influenced how you've

553
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: decided to change that or is it more just with experience?

554
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: And for listeners, give them a little bit of background,

555
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: because not everybody might know exactly what you do or

556
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 3: even like what a Sunday basket or a household organization

557
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: program is.

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00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, and I think that is actually if you're

559
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: an entrepreneur this, You're gonna love this. So I've been

560
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: in business for thirteen years almost, and a lot of

561
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: podcasting and entrepreneurship is basically digging people on the journey

562
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: with you as you figure it out. You're just a

563
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: step ahead of everyone. And when I first started, I

564
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: was a stay at home mom, and so I helped

565
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: you get your house organized in the forty weeks of

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00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: the school year, because that's the weeks that I had

567
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: to get organized. Then after that I figured out that, oh, well,

568
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: I actually do my class at three times a year,

569
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 4: and I do my kitchen three times a year. Okay, well,

570
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 4: then I'm going to break this down even more into

571
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 4: like one hundred day segments, and we're going to do

572
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: three one hundred day segments that match the trimesters. And

573
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 4: that's when I figured out that I plan in trimesters.

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00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: And then I segued to, you know, it's gonna we

575
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 4: need to do this in a year, like it's going

576
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: to take a whole year to get through all these spaces,

577
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: especially if you want to do the paper. And I

578
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 4: got to the point two years ago where I had

579
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: all these products and we really have not gotten rid

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00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 4: of any of the products. And I just kind kind

581
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 4: of a meeting with my team and they're like, I

582
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: know how to sell. You are like, well, just gonna

583
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: sales meet and they go, we don't even know how

584
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: to do may like, what do you want us to

585
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 4: send an emails? Like there's just too many things to market.

586
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 4: We can't market you, Lisa, I said, I know, I know,

587
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: I'm a problem. And it's because we have no scaffolding

588
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: at home. If I was marketing how to do your

589
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: own business, I would fall into the business category, or teaching,

590
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 4: I'd fall into teaching. But when you're in the household,

591
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: what do you grab onto and there is no pocket

592
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: of money that you have in your budget for organizing

593
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 4: your house or maintaining your house or the role you

594
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 4: have as a homeowner, even though it's twenty eight hours

595
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: a week, people without children, without children, that's how long

596
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: it takes to maintain a household, twenty eight hours a week.

597
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 4: But yet we don't even like put it on the

598
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: list at all. And I have somebody clean my house,

599
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: so that eliminates eight of the hours, but it doesn't

600
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: eliminate all of the hours. It's an actual job. And

601
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: so I just said to them. This is a whole

602
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: new revelation, Terry, You'll be the first person to hear it.

603
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 4: I'm starting my own TV show. I'm not waiting for

604
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 4: people to come ask me. I've set up all these

605
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: vignettes over in the office. I'm going to go record

606
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: little segments. You're going to see them all week long.

607
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: And I've decided the flow is overrated. You can get

608
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: in the American flow, and you could go with the

609
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 4: flow and you end up not done with your goals.

610
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: There is a productive household flow, but it is very orchestrated,

611
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: and it is deep work on Monday and meetings and

612
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: errands on Tuesday and Wednesdays when you followup from meetings,

613
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: and Thursdays deep work again, and then you transition to

614
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: the house Friday's networking, and then you do your Friday workbox,

615
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: and then you get up on Saturday morning and you

616
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: do your productive home solution and you play with your kids,

617
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: and then you do your Sunday basket and that is

618
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 4: the week. But then you layer on top of that

619
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: holidays and whatever else. And I know all this like

620
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: I can orchestrate this movie for you. Three hundred and

621
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: sixty five days a year, and I'm going to start

622
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 4: doing it in our app and on Instagram, and it's

623
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 4: going to be I'm gonna have to pre record some

624
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: of it. But even like the Sunday basket, some weeks

625
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: you're like, why do I even do the Sunday basket?

626
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: There's nothing in here? This thing must not even work.

627
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: And then other weeks you're like, I need my whole

628
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: house is a Sunday basket, Like why is my sun

629
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 4: basket exploding? And that's normal, And so I can give

630
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: you a Sunday basket report on Sundays to be like,

631
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: here's the barometer of where your Sunday basket is. So

632
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: I'm going to go all in on this because I'm

633
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: crazy and I have a warehouse, so I'm just gonna

634
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: set it up. But that is why this research is important.

635
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: The common mainstream conversation right now is that women are undervalued,

636
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: that they are doing the invisible work that they are

637
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: put upon and men better step it up and do

638
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: their job. And the men are saying, well, i'll do

639
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: whatever you want me to, just ask and the women

640
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: are like, why can't you figure this out? You know why?

641
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 4: Because the women can't figure it out and it's too

642
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: exhausting to tell you, so you might as well just

643
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: do it, because there's so many things I can't stop

644
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: to tell you, because I'm not going to get it

645
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: all done. And that conversation is real. I'm not saying

646
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 4: that conversation isn't real. I'm just saying it's not affirmative,

647
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: and it's not constructive, and it's not helpful. It's great

648
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Speaker 4: for clickbait, it's great for the Today Show. It's great

649
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Speaker 4: that Marie Kondo has decided that she's given it up.

650
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: She has not given it up. People. If you think

651
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: Marie Kondo is overwhelmed, she is not. She is selling

652
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: a new book. She's just fine. She's still more organized

653
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 4: than all of us. But we need to have a

654
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: school like you need to learn organizing school like Organize

655
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 4: three sixty five is a university. This is where you

656
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: learn to be the head of your household. And there

657
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 4: is no easy way for me to do that. So

658
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: I'm just going to keep running faster.

659
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, so are you going to encourage couples to

660
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: attend your school together?

661
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: You know are quite a few men that are doing

662
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 4: the productive home solution now and they've started to say

663
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 4: to me, you know, like for men, for men, for men.

664
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well I need to know what the

665
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: lingo is whatever. And then there's this one audience member.

666
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: She travels and she's the breadwinner and her husband is

667
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: at home, and he's like, yeah, but they're all women

668
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: in there. She goes, do you know when the last

669
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: time I was in a meeting of any kind where

670
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: I was not the only woman. She's like, suck it

671
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: up and get in the productive home solution. And I thought,

672
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: you know what, Yeah, why do I have to change

673
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: to make this gut off again. We're opening the door.

674
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: We're not going to change our sex and I'm not

675
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: gonna change my language, but I'm going to open the door.

676
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 4: Come on in. I'm not gonna shame you. Clearly, there

677
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: are no men in my life that are not supporting me,

678
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: helping me opening the door for me. I'm going to

679
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 4: support you, help you open the door for you. But

680
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: I'm not going to change the fact that this has

681
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: been a female ground for like ever, like I can't

682
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: change that, but I haven't make it more comfortable for

683
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: you to come join us and find anything visible work.

684
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: You want to just start doing anything It does.

685
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: One hundred percent right though, that there does not need

686
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: to be a for men tacked on, because there's no

687
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: reason it would need to be any different of a program.

688
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: And I'm still waiting for my first male Best Laid

689
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: Plans Academy registrant, but it's gonna happen. I can't wait.

690
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: That's awesome, Lisa, that is fantastic. I want to we

691
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: need to do Love of the Week. But I just

692
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: one more seasonal question. It's May. As we're recording this,

693
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: you've told people on your podcast about like the different

694
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: golden windows, like what should everybody be thinking in the

695
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: months ahead in terms of since you were able to

696
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: like read our minds and know what the focuses are

697
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: going to be, what's the next few months looking like

698
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: for us?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So May is setting you up for the summer.

700
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: And what happens is you run so fast in May

701
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: and you get all the way to the end and

702
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: you're like, oh my gosh, I didn't forget anything, and

703
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: then you just collapse on the floor and the next

704
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 4: thing you know, it's Labor Day. So you're gonna be

705
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: awesome summer either way. I'm just like, I'm not giving

706
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: you any guilt. I'm not giving you any homework, but

707
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that the memories that are most meaningful

708
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: to you someone planned those. So even if you just

709
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: say I'm going to do one thing in June, one

710
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: thing in July, and one thing in August, and you're

711
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: actually going to plan it, and I'm saying that you

712
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: have to plan like a wedding, I'm just saying you're

713
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: gonna do Somemores one night and the kids are going

714
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 4: to stay up an hour late, and you're also gonna

715
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: watch a movie outside, or you're gonna take the day

716
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: off work and you're gonna surprise them and you're like

717
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 4: pajama Day in the middle of July or something like,

718
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: just something fun and so like, they will talk about

719
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 4: it for the rest of their life, but it will

720
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: not happen unless you plan it. So it all comes

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00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: back to planning.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, before we go, do you know our tradition

723
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 3: of sharing a love of the week. I don't think

724
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: I've warned you. Oh you do, okay, good, So I'll

725
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: let you go first. Mine is not that exciting, but

726
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: I still have a lot of love for it, So

727
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 3: go ahead.

728
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 4: So my first term in getting my PhD. I kept

729
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 4: hoping that Grayson would get in daycare because Grayson lives

730
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 4: with us. He did not, but he started daycare yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Love of the week so I was a preschool teacher,

732
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: I was a stay at home mom. My kids did

733
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 4: not go to daycare. I love being home with my kids.

734
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Speaker 4: And for Grayson, I love daycare for him because he

735
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: doesn't have siblings, and my daughter was staying home with

736
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 4: her him, but she wants to work and she doesn't

737
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: have a spouse, and so he is in day number

738
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: two and he's so excited. I've seen little pictures. So

739
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 4: my love of the week is daycare.

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Speaker 3: Daycare is awesome. And also I think providing permission to

741
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: ourselves to love daycare is excellent. So that is a

742
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: fantastic love of the week. And I'm going to give

743
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: a really really boring one, which is that Lululemon socks

744
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: are awesome.

745
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: I need socks.

746
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: Lululemon socks. They're great for running, they're comfortable. So many

747
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: socks are like itchy, and they're my most comfortable socks.

748
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: And I realized the other day that I had a

749
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: pair that was like, I don't know, really really old

750
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: and they were like, still working great. So I think

751
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to replace all my socks with Lululemon socks.

752
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: Now I've just ruined every future sponsorship with every other

753
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: sock company. But it's okay. I love my socks.

754
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: And you know what I just want to say, like

755
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: for women, you should do that, like go buy yourself

756
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: all new underwear, like it's amazing. It's ridiculously expensive, but

757
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 4: you're worth it. You do it for your kids like

758
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 4: every six months, So do it for you.

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00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: Agree one hundred percent. Well, Lisa, this has been such

760
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: a pleasure. Tell our listeners where they can find all

761
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: of your stuff.

762
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 4: So the podcast is called Organized three sixty five. The

763
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: website's Organized three sixty five. I'm Organized three sixty five

764
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 4: on Instagram.

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00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: Awesome, thank you so much for coming on.

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00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: Thank you.

767
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: Well, that was awesome. I'm hearing about all the amazing

768
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: things that Lisa has going on in her life. So

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Speaker 1: the question is from somebody asking us about podcasting. This

770
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: person's wrote to Sarah and said, how much time a

771
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: week does your weekly podcast with Laura take to prep

772
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: record and produce? What equipment do you need to buy

773
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: to sound professional? Do you edit the podcast? Yourself or

774
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: outsource that, and do you have any tips on what

775
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: recording software to use? So for those who are just

776
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: joining us, I guess we could get into a quick

777
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: rundown of how it goes.

778
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, yeah, we talked about this a while back,

779
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: but it's been a little while.

780
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: Laura and I go.

781
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 3: Back and forth with the show notes. I would say

782
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: that takes maybe around thirty to sixty minutes, sometimes sixty

783
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: minutes or more, depending on what the topic is and

784
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: what it is. And you know, we're prepping somebody to interview,

785
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 3: we might actually want to read their book and that

786
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: could take some time as well. So actually, I'm going

787
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: to revise that. I'm going to say prep takes one

788
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: to two hours, and we're kind of sending stuff back

789
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: and forth to do that. There's also time that you

790
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: need to record, and that usually takes about the episode, because,

791
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: as we'll talk about, we kind of do a take

792
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: and let someone else fix it and then yeah, and

793
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: then there's extra time brainstorming thinking about episodes, deciding which

794
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: guests to actually pitch, coordinating with said guests, and then

795
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: also coordinating with our sound team, which we do outsource.

796
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: But then there's work in actually having to tell them

797
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: what to do in terms of like where's our break

798
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: and what sponsors are in this week's episode, and actually

799
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: sending them the tracks and whatnot. The equipment so all

800
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: I have. Laura has more fancy stuff than I do

801
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: because she has Before Breakfast, which is a little bit different.

802
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: But I have a MIC from twenty seventeen that somehow

803
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: is still functioning. I don't understand it, but it's great.

804
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: It's an audiotechnica, like one hundred dollars mic, and I

805
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: use my MacBook Pro and that's it and a pair

806
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: of wired headphones. So that's all of my equipment. Do

807
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: we edit it ourselves? We outsource it to a company

808
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: called Sounded by Strategies. They're a public company available to anyone.

809
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: They have a starter package, or you can if you

810
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: have an existing podcast. I don't know if you I

811
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: don't remember if you can start if you already have one,

812
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: but anyway, they basically allow you to purchase their time

813
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 3: to do all the editing and production, and they can

814
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: even like for bestlaid plans. I had them help me

815
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: grow it from scratch, meaning they help me with the

816
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 3: cover art and getting it on all the platforms, et cetera.

817
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: And then finally tips on recording software to use. We

818
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: use squadcast, which usually behaves itself. A lot of people

819
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: also like the program Riverside FM, so that's when I've

820
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: been a guest on a bunch that seems to work well.

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00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, for best of both worlds, I use the same stuff.

822
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: It's just my laptop, a microphone you can buy off Amazon,

823
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: and you can spend any amount of microphones, but definitely

824
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: if you're you know, looking in the fifty to one

825
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: hundred dollars range, you can't get excellent stuff pair of headphones,

826
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's the upside of these online recording

827
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: software platforms as you really can get because it records

828
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: local tracks, like it's recording a local track for me,

829
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: in a local track for Sarah, and our sound engineer

830
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: puts them together and so the quality is better than

831
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: if you're relying on the internet transmission of it. So yeah,

832
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: that's what we do.

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00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: Well.

834
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: This has been best of both worlds. Sarah was interviewing

835
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Lisa Woodruff of Organized three sixty five. We will be

836
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: back next week with more on making work and life

837
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: fit together.

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00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

839
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,

840
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: and you.

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00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This

842
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join

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00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life

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00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: work together.