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We got a new favorite 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.440 around here, David Harsani, because we've we've like quoted liberally 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.680 from a couple of his articles recently liberally on different topics. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.120 The other day, it was his going through the different 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.440 kind of fake fact checking that I really enjoyed. That 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.280 was a terrific David Harsani is the senior editor of 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.440 The Federalist. He's also the author of a new book 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.320 which I am looking forward to reading, First Freedom Ride 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.880 through America's enduring history with the gun. David, how are you, sir? 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.440 Thanks for having me again. Oh, it's our pleasure. That 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.480 peace Jack just referenced was absolutely great. I appreciate it. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:10.200 How fact checking is just completely degenerated. Happy Valentine's Day, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.360 but will stop it, so thank you very much. Yeah, 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.520 I've never I've never felt Mr Harsani's skull, but I 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.360 don't think he's such a soft end that he wants 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.679 to talk about that. So hey, listen, it's funny. And 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.240 scanning the many many headlines this morning, I've become aware 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.520 that more and more people on the left, more and 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.400 more pro environmental quote unquote, people are are saying to 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.640 AOC and the Green New Dealers, hey, thanks for making 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.479 us look like idiots. So so the criticism is starting 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.360 to come from those quarters as well. Well. I think 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.520 what they really mean is why were you so honest 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.160 about what we want to do in the long run? Right? Um, 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.680 you jumped the gun here, you know. Um, obviously they 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.680 don't want to tell you what they you know, the 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.480 things that they want to engage and to get this 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.680 project if there is done. But the fact is that 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.680 AOC is right. If you if you want to eliminate 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.480 fossil fuels in ten years, you're gonna have to do 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.360 something author of terror, and you're gonna have to tell 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:03.880 people how to live their lives are gonna have to 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:05.320 coerce them, and you're gonna have to get rid of 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.320 the energy datus. That's the only way to do it. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.800 Otherwise you're not being serious. And when you say that 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.760 you're not going to use any nuclear energy, you're probably 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.040 not being very serious anyway. Well, so do you think 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.040 they believe that we're trying to figure out what's going 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.800 on here in and a lot of our theory is 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.920 that it was simple. Is similar to Trump going around 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.200 saying We're gonna build a giant wall in Mexico. Is 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.359 gonna pay for it? And very few people Trump. I mean, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.080 I listened to that, and I thought, Mexico is not 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.160 gonna pay for the wall. But but I understood that 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.239 he is. He cared about this issue more than most 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.280 people have in the past. Is that what AOC is 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.440 trying to do just go so far over the top. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.800 She's the leader of this issue because they can't actually 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.960 believe this stuff. It's hard for it's hard to believe 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.600 that they actually believe or they actually believe that we 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.960 can do that stuff. But I think that their belief 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.440 socialistic or even environmentalistic beliefs are kind of like how 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.960 people believe in religion. I'm not saying religion is not true. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.560 I'm saying that you have to have some kind of 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.160 blind faith to do it, and that you just assume 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.240 that because you believe these things so strongly that anything 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.960 can be done. You know that that that your faith 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:13.560 can do anything, inclusion getting rid of all our energy sources. Well, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:17.200 my opinion on this sort of thing is usually there's 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.600 a coalition of different sorts of people, including the true believers, 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.440 the the dewey eyed pie in the sky twenty something 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.800 bartenders of the world who actually believe that that we 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.320 can eliminate all fossil fuels in a very very short 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.600 time just because they have no patience for actually doing mathematics. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.960 And then you have the strivers who think, okay, that's 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.800 a little out there, but you know, I'm in favor 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.320 of the stuff generally speaking, so what the heck I'll 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.760 be I'll go along. That's your Amy Klobuchars, who knows better, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.080 you know, um. But then then there are the cynics 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.440 who understand, Okay, this is a great political hammer I 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.800 can hit my opponents in the forehead with, and if 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.840 I'm al Gore, I can make sillions of dollars based 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.480 the duly eid dopes of the world. And so I 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.240 just think those people come together and that's how you 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.640 get a political movement going yeah, no, I think you're right. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:09.920 And the populism in the sense is telling people what 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.000 they want to hear. There's no way Kamala Harris thinks 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.720 we're going to get rid of all our fossil fuels 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.680 and ten years, I don't believe that. You believe that, 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.000 And and there are others. But there's one other group, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.400 by the way, is like Nancy Pelosi, who immediately realized 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.640 this was going to be politically problematic and sort of 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.359 ripped it. She knows that some of this sounds completely crazy. 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.640 What I think happened was all these coalitions came together 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.800 against Trump, you know, the sort of more stride you 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.360 were about it, the more popular you've got. And then 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.960 one day we had to hear what these people, you know, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.240 the ideas these people are, and then you're like, oh 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.719 my god, they're crazy, you know. And um, I think 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.839 that that Democrats are gonna have to work that out. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.800 What other interesting angle of this to me is um 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.160 and and Trump did this by tweeting he could bypass 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.880 the Republican Party or a lot of the power brokers 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.960 and and reach people and and get his own power base. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.479 And AOC has done that. Also, we're into a new era. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.880 Now you don't have to wait your turn to get 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.840 on the right committees and wait till the party is 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.040 behind you to become a star. AOC being in Congress 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.080 for a couple of months has had the conversation dominating 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.960 UM story for for a couple of weeks. Now. Yeah, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.880 and I would say that she's actually, at least from 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.040 my point of view, a likable person who touches on 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.039 certain things that are actually people views as problems, you know, 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.960 with you know, the same sort of things actually the 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.120 Trump did about how you know, the system is rigged 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.880 and it's unfair for a lot of people and so on. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.520 So I don't think we should underestimate her. She's obviously 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.760 she has she has a great reach. But um, I 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.520 think that what happens is within the Democratic Party there 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:42.960 are people who have been around a long time and 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:44.640 they understand and in the end, you have to make 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.400 something work for the American people or they turn on you. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.640 And Trump has sort of done that. You know, AOC 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.280 is long far away from from really getting anything done yet. Yeah, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.480 but she's not the last person that's going to figure 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.279 out that that the you know, social media fall bowing 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.400 in in Twitter or however you're going to go about it. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.440 That's that's the way politics is gonna work, and isn't 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.400 Populism is gonna go into like hyper speed. Now it's 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.680 in hyper speed. Also, I just want to say, I mean, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.560 it's not just her. She was sort of you know, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.280 they put on the cover of fashion magazines and put 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:17.800 her in CNN all the time, and a lot of 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.320 people lifted her up as a sort of spokesman for 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.440 for this move for spokesperson for this movement. So she 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.440 she had some help. And obviously that has to do 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.120 with her. You know that how hot she is. We think, 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.600 we think two thirds of her popularities are being hot. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.880 I think if she was a short, fat, bald guy 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:38.440 with exactly the same ideas, the same theory, except there's 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.960 Bernie Sanders. Why is he so good? Point point? Why 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.800 don't you shut up over there? Uh? That was sexist, 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.000 what I said, Yes, it was. It was horrifying and 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.560 the antibald David Harsani is the senior editor for the 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.320 General don't believe it's sexist to say that someone's attractive. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.279 I mean, it doesn't. That just seems like a compliment 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.800 to me. So yeah, I agree with both of you, guys. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.640 I think we're entering what's going to be an incredibly parapatetic, 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:07.320 frantic giant personality coming to the fore and commanding all 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.920 of our attention and mobilizing the marchers. And three weeks later, 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.160 said Chris rock said in a Day Gone to date. Right, 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.320 but well, I guess we'll live through it. Hey, David, listen, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:22.080 because we're stubborn and and bitter and boring. We won't 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.320 let people forget that the one existential threat against the 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.080 United States of America is our own irresponsible spending in 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.040 our national debt. Any thoughts on the debt passing twenty 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:36.880 two mill alright, I'm sorry trillion? Um please? Yeah, it's 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.880 it's horrified. I mean, it's out of control. No one 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.040 is serious about it. No one's ever been really serious 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.680 about it. Um. No one wants to do the work. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.400 And obviously the work of trying to stop that trend 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.200 is to let you do things that healthy economy grow 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:54.640 and also reform, reform, social Security, medicare you know, and 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.160 welfare program. Nobody on either side. Nobody on either side. 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.960 When Rand Paul brought it up on the debate, Stay 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.239 Your Chris Christie touched on it, nobody care. Theoretically, everyone's 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.640 into it until you touch something they want and uh, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.960 government basically touches, you know, people in some way, so 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.120 they don't want to cut their own spending. Um, it's 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:14.880 just it's at one point it will be a disaster. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.080 The one did anything about it. One of my favorite 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.080 quotes is I think it was from a Mark steinbook. 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.200 If if something can't continue, it will end. I mean 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.280 it seems very childlike, but it is true. He can't 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.120 continue like this to what's going to end. So how 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.560 about we think about what that's gonna look. Lease, you're 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.800 boring me. No voter wants to hear that. You're you're 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.800 at a party in the nineties and everybody's doing blow 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.240 and you're standing up and saying cocaine it's bad for 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.439 your health, and I don't think we should buy anymore. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.280 I mean, you just shut up. Yeah, I mean, the 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.079 disaster is always far off, and then people sort of 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:53.640 the debt is a far more serious problem than climate change, 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.920 in my opinion at least, and we do nothing about it. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.320 We don't even pretend anymore to want to do anything 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.959 about it. Every reprogram that people, even Trump in some sense, 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.640 and every program that liberals want, will cost trillions of 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.719 more dollars. And and there's no way to pay for it, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.800 because no one's going to raise taxes on most people, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.679 even if you raise taxes on the rich. It's just 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.080 that it's a piddling a man compared to what you're spending. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:16.520 There's so many things I'd like to ask you about. 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:17.960 We got to bring this up because we've talked about 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.880 it so much this week. The most depressing thing we've 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.200 seen in the news this week. We're on from angry 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.679 to depressing. This is the proof that democracy will not work. 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.840 That so many people that liked the Trump's big tax 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.440 cut now because the refunds are smaller, are turning on 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.960 Trump because they don't understand the difference between tax rates 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.120 and refunds. That is proof that democracy will not work, 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.720 is it not? It is? I once wrote a book 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.080 against democracy. Democracy is that disaster people are terrible. Um, 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.800 But here's the thing we now, Harris actually tweets out right. 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:58.280 Maybe yeah, we're screwed. But you know, um, in the end, 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.000 people don't feel a tax if they are not writing, 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:02.960 you know, if they're not getting refund checks, which is 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.400 the problem of the taxation system, where everyone should write 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.560 out a check to begin with, and then they'd understand 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.960 what was going on. Are you a fair tax guy, David? 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.559 If you could waive your magic wand and just completely 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.720 reform the utter nightmare that is the United States tax code, 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.679 which way would you go? Um? I probably just I'd 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.680 probably just want to maybe a slightly progressive, straightforward taxation 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:30.400 cutting most most uh, most of the study. You know, 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.720 the postcard thing that Ted Cruz was for. I'm fine 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.040 with that. I mean, listen, it's still out. It's an 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:36.960 outlandish to believe that we're ever going to reform the 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.920 tax system that I don't even you know, I don't 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.880 even know if I'm for the fair tax anymore. I 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.839 remember not loving it for certain reasons, but I don't 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.600 exactly remember why. Well, you know, we've said many times 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:50.520 that if you were to propose the current tax system, um, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.600 the response would be negative. I mean, how could it 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.080 be anything? But it is. It is theft. It is 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:02.200 ray Pine. It is bizarre, it is mobbed up, it's 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.600 it's a hundred kinds of bad, and yet every proposal 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.200 to do anything serious about it is graded with oh, no, 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.240 we better not that might have a downside, which again 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.960 is another example of why democracy. Yeah, I mean, who 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.440 you know, it's it's it's it's racketeering. Basically, you're you know, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.520 you're paying yourself and then you're proposing more policies that 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.920 bring in more money or spend more money, and you 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.520 have there's no responsibility to balance it out. I mean, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.000 I'm not for a balanced budget amendment for a few reasons, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.520 but the idea that you don't even have to worry 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.959 about balancing anything out, it's crazy. No one lives their 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.880 lives like that. Final topic, because I know you're writing 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.120 about it, is Mitch McConnell's maneuver to get a vote 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.720 on the Green New Deal. Um, it's it's snark delicious. 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.120 I have a feeling I know exactly what he's doing. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.720 But what's his point? His point is that he wants 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.480 these guys, you know, he this is a show bill 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.880 to begin with. The bill is you know, the resolution 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.760 itself on the Green New Deal so why not vote 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.760 on it? Um, you know, he's pouncing on them by 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.120 allowing them to vote, He's seizing on their actual beliefs 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.600 to make them look bad at etcetera, etcetera. Um, it's 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.240 just an assertion of intent. It's a resolution. Why wouldn't 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.120 they want to vote on it? It makes zero sense. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:14.599 I mean obviously I know where they don't because of 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:19.360 the AOC fact sheet, But um, I think it's a 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.680 great move and let them vote on it. And uh, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.079 you know what's been done before Democrats due to it's 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.040 not new in d C. But I mean why not? 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.440 Well yeah, and it's funny they responsible from the left 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.080 at McConnell's a cynic and this is a maneuver and everything. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.439 Having a vote on what we're proposing, I mean, do 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.680 you think itself as a resolution? Right? So it's not 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.200 even like a bill that's percolating or something. It's just 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.120 the resolution thing that you want to move forward on 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.920 this idea. Why wouldn't they want to vote to move 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.840 forward on the idea that they put forward? They filed 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.520 this resolution themselves, well, right, well, because they understand it's 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.800 completely ridiculous, but they're afraid of that outer ten percent 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.400 of the coalition that's madly in love with the whole things. So, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.400 by the way, presidential candidates who are in the Senate 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.480 have endorsed it, why shouldn't they be able to vote 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.280 on it? In for real? It doesn't make any sense. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.160 David Arsani, senior editor of the Federalist new book First Freedom, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.560 or Ride through America's Enduring History with the Gun. David, 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.120 it's always fun. Thanks a million for spending a couple 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.280 of minutes anytime. Thanks for having me when the weather 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.000 outside is frightful. 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