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Speaker 1: around here, David Harsani, because we've we've like quoted liberally
Speaker 1: from a couple of his articles recently liberally on different topics.
Speaker 1: The other day, it was his going through the different
Speaker 1: kind of fake fact checking that I really enjoyed. That
Speaker 1: was a terrific David Harsani is the senior editor of
Speaker 1: The Federalist. He's also the author of a new book
Speaker 1: which I am looking forward to reading, First Freedom Ride
Speaker 1: through America's enduring history with the gun. David, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me again. Oh, it's our pleasure. That
Speaker 1: peace Jack just referenced was absolutely great. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: How fact checking is just completely degenerated. Happy Valentine's Day,
Speaker 1: but will stop it, so thank you very much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never felt Mr Harsani's skull, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he's such a soft end that he wants
Speaker 1: to talk about that. So hey, listen, it's funny. And
Speaker 1: scanning the many many headlines this morning, I've become aware
Speaker 1: that more and more people on the left, more and
Speaker 1: more pro environmental quote unquote, people are are saying to
Speaker 1: AOC and the Green New Dealers, hey, thanks for making
Speaker 1: us look like idiots. So so the criticism is starting
Speaker 1: to come from those quarters as well. Well. I think
Speaker 1: what they really mean is why were you so honest
Speaker 1: about what we want to do in the long run? Right? Um,
Speaker 1: you jumped the gun here, you know. Um, obviously they
Speaker 1: don't want to tell you what they you know, the
Speaker 1: things that they want to engage and to get this
Speaker 1: project if there is done. But the fact is that
Speaker 1: AOC is right. If you if you want to eliminate
Speaker 1: fossil fuels in ten years, you're gonna have to do
Speaker 1: something author of terror, and you're gonna have to tell
Speaker 1: people how to live their lives are gonna have to
Speaker 1: coerce them, and you're gonna have to get rid of
Speaker 1: the energy datus. That's the only way to do it.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you're not being serious. And when you say that
Speaker 1: you're not going to use any nuclear energy, you're probably
Speaker 1: not being very serious anyway. Well, so do you think
Speaker 1: they believe that we're trying to figure out what's going
Speaker 1: on here in and a lot of our theory is
Speaker 1: that it was simple. Is similar to Trump going around
Speaker 1: saying We're gonna build a giant wall in Mexico. Is
Speaker 1: gonna pay for it? And very few people Trump. I mean,
Speaker 1: I listened to that, and I thought, Mexico is not
Speaker 1: gonna pay for the wall. But but I understood that
Speaker 1: he is. He cared about this issue more than most
Speaker 1: people have in the past. Is that what AOC is
Speaker 1: trying to do just go so far over the top.
Speaker 1: She's the leader of this issue because they can't actually
Speaker 1: believe this stuff. It's hard for it's hard to believe
Speaker 1: that they actually believe or they actually believe that we
Speaker 1: can do that stuff. But I think that their belief
Speaker 1: socialistic or even environmentalistic beliefs are kind of like how
Speaker 1: people believe in religion. I'm not saying religion is not true.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that you have to have some kind of
Speaker 1: blind faith to do it, and that you just assume
Speaker 1: that because you believe these things so strongly that anything
Speaker 1: can be done. You know that that that your faith
Speaker 1: can do anything, inclusion getting rid of all our energy sources. Well,
Speaker 1: my opinion on this sort of thing is usually there's
Speaker 1: a coalition of different sorts of people, including the true believers,
Speaker 1: the the dewey eyed pie in the sky twenty something
Speaker 1: bartenders of the world who actually believe that that we
Speaker 1: can eliminate all fossil fuels in a very very short
Speaker 1: time just because they have no patience for actually doing mathematics.
Speaker 1: And then you have the strivers who think, okay, that's
Speaker 1: a little out there, but you know, I'm in favor
Speaker 1: of the stuff generally speaking, so what the heck I'll
Speaker 1: be I'll go along. That's your Amy Klobuchars, who knows better,
Speaker 1: you know, um. But then then there are the cynics
Speaker 1: who understand, Okay, this is a great political hammer I
Speaker 1: can hit my opponents in the forehead with, and if
Speaker 1: I'm al Gore, I can make sillions of dollars based
Speaker 1: the duly eid dopes of the world. And so I
Speaker 1: just think those people come together and that's how you
Speaker 1: get a political movement going yeah, no, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: And the populism in the sense is telling people what
Speaker 1: they want to hear. There's no way Kamala Harris thinks
Speaker 1: we're going to get rid of all our fossil fuels
Speaker 1: and ten years, I don't believe that. You believe that,
Speaker 1: And and there are others. But there's one other group,
Speaker 1: by the way, is like Nancy Pelosi, who immediately realized
Speaker 1: this was going to be politically problematic and sort of
Speaker 1: ripped it. She knows that some of this sounds completely crazy.
Speaker 1: What I think happened was all these coalitions came together
Speaker 1: against Trump, you know, the sort of more stride you
Speaker 1: were about it, the more popular you've got. And then
Speaker 1: one day we had to hear what these people, you know,
Speaker 1: the ideas these people are, and then you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, they're crazy, you know. And um, I think
Speaker 1: that that Democrats are gonna have to work that out.
Speaker 1: What other interesting angle of this to me is um
Speaker 1: and and Trump did this by tweeting he could bypass
Speaker 1: the Republican Party or a lot of the power brokers
Speaker 1: and and reach people and and get his own power base.
Speaker 1: And AOC has done that. Also, we're into a new era.
Speaker 1: Now you don't have to wait your turn to get
Speaker 1: on the right committees and wait till the party is
Speaker 1: behind you to become a star. AOC being in Congress
Speaker 1: for a couple of months has had the conversation dominating
Speaker 1: UM story for for a couple of weeks. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would say that she's actually, at least from
Speaker 1: my point of view, a likable person who touches on
Speaker 1: certain things that are actually people views as problems, you know,
Speaker 1: with you know, the same sort of things actually the
Speaker 1: Trump did about how you know, the system is rigged
Speaker 1: and it's unfair for a lot of people and so on.
Speaker 1: So I don't think we should underestimate her. She's obviously
Speaker 1: she has she has a great reach. But um, I
Speaker 1: think that what happens is within the Democratic Party there
Speaker 1: are people who have been around a long time and
Speaker 1: they understand and in the end, you have to make
Speaker 1: something work for the American people or they turn on you.
Speaker 1: And Trump has sort of done that. You know, AOC
Speaker 1: is long far away from from really getting anything done yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she's not the last person that's going to figure
Speaker 1: out that that the you know, social media fall bowing
Speaker 1: in in Twitter or however you're going to go about it.
Speaker 1: That's that's the way politics is gonna work, and isn't
Speaker 1: Populism is gonna go into like hyper speed. Now it's
Speaker 1: in hyper speed. Also, I just want to say, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not just her. She was sort of you know,
Speaker 1: they put on the cover of fashion magazines and put
Speaker 1: her in CNN all the time, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people lifted her up as a sort of spokesman for
Speaker 1: for this move for spokesperson for this movement. So she
Speaker 1: she had some help. And obviously that has to do
Speaker 1: with her. You know that how hot she is. We think,
Speaker 1: we think two thirds of her popularities are being hot.
Speaker 1: I think if she was a short, fat, bald guy
Speaker 1: with exactly the same ideas, the same theory, except there's
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. Why is he so good? Point point? Why
Speaker 1: don't you shut up over there? Uh? That was sexist,
Speaker 1: what I said, Yes, it was. It was horrifying and
Speaker 1: the antibald David Harsani is the senior editor for the
Speaker 1: General don't believe it's sexist to say that someone's attractive.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't. That just seems like a compliment
Speaker 1: to me. So yeah, I agree with both of you, guys.
Speaker 1: I think we're entering what's going to be an incredibly parapatetic,
Speaker 1: frantic giant personality coming to the fore and commanding all
Speaker 1: of our attention and mobilizing the marchers. And three weeks later,
Speaker 1: said Chris rock said in a Day Gone to date. Right,
Speaker 1: but well, I guess we'll live through it. Hey, David, listen,
Speaker 1: because we're stubborn and and bitter and boring. We won't
Speaker 1: let people forget that the one existential threat against the
Speaker 1: United States of America is our own irresponsible spending in
Speaker 1: our national debt. Any thoughts on the debt passing twenty
Speaker 1: two mill alright, I'm sorry trillion? Um please? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's horrified. I mean, it's out of control. No one
Speaker 1: is serious about it. No one's ever been really serious
Speaker 1: about it. Um. No one wants to do the work.
Speaker 1: And obviously the work of trying to stop that trend
Speaker 1: is to let you do things that healthy economy grow
Speaker 1: and also reform, reform, social Security, medicare you know, and
Speaker 1: welfare program. Nobody on either side. Nobody on either side.
Speaker 1: When Rand Paul brought it up on the debate, Stay
Speaker 1: Your Chris Christie touched on it, nobody care. Theoretically, everyone's
Speaker 1: into it until you touch something they want and uh,
Speaker 1: government basically touches, you know, people in some way, so
Speaker 1: they don't want to cut their own spending. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just it's at one point it will be a disaster.
Speaker 1: The one did anything about it. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: quotes is I think it was from a Mark steinbook.
Speaker 1: If if something can't continue, it will end. I mean
Speaker 1: it seems very childlike, but it is true. He can't
Speaker 1: continue like this to what's going to end. So how
Speaker 1: about we think about what that's gonna look. Lease, you're
Speaker 1: boring me. No voter wants to hear that. You're you're
Speaker 1: at a party in the nineties and everybody's doing blow
Speaker 1: and you're standing up and saying cocaine it's bad for
Speaker 1: your health, and I don't think we should buy anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just shut up. Yeah, I mean, the
Speaker 1: disaster is always far off, and then people sort of
Speaker 1: the debt is a far more serious problem than climate change,
Speaker 1: in my opinion at least, and we do nothing about it.
Speaker 1: We don't even pretend anymore to want to do anything
Speaker 1: about it. Every reprogram that people, even Trump in some sense,
Speaker 1: and every program that liberals want, will cost trillions of
Speaker 1: more dollars. And and there's no way to pay for it,
Speaker 1: because no one's going to raise taxes on most people,
Speaker 1: even if you raise taxes on the rich. It's just
Speaker 1: that it's a piddling a man compared to what you're spending.
Speaker 1: There's so many things I'd like to ask you about.
Speaker 1: We got to bring this up because we've talked about
Speaker 1: it so much this week. The most depressing thing we've
Speaker 1: seen in the news this week. We're on from angry
Speaker 1: to depressing. This is the proof that democracy will not work.
Speaker 1: That so many people that liked the Trump's big tax
Speaker 1: cut now because the refunds are smaller, are turning on
Speaker 1: Trump because they don't understand the difference between tax rates
Speaker 1: and refunds. That is proof that democracy will not work,
Speaker 1: is it not? It is? I once wrote a book
Speaker 1: against democracy. Democracy is that disaster people are terrible. Um,
Speaker 1: But here's the thing we now, Harris actually tweets out right.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, we're screwed. But you know, um, in the end,
Speaker 1: people don't feel a tax if they are not writing,
Speaker 1: you know, if they're not getting refund checks, which is
Speaker 1: the problem of the taxation system, where everyone should write
Speaker 1: out a check to begin with, and then they'd understand
Speaker 1: what was going on. Are you a fair tax guy, David?
Speaker 1: If you could waive your magic wand and just completely
Speaker 1: reform the utter nightmare that is the United States tax code,
Speaker 1: which way would you go? Um? I probably just I'd
Speaker 1: probably just want to maybe a slightly progressive, straightforward taxation
Speaker 1: cutting most most uh, most of the study. You know,
Speaker 1: the postcard thing that Ted Cruz was for. I'm fine
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, listen, it's still out. It's an
Speaker 1: outlandish to believe that we're ever going to reform the
Speaker 1: tax system that I don't even you know, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I'm for the fair tax anymore. I
Speaker 1: remember not loving it for certain reasons, but I don't
Speaker 1: exactly remember why. Well, you know, we've said many times
Speaker 1: that if you were to propose the current tax system, um,
Speaker 1: the response would be negative. I mean, how could it
Speaker 1: be anything? But it is. It is theft. It is
Speaker 1: ray Pine. It is bizarre, it is mobbed up, it's
Speaker 1: it's a hundred kinds of bad, and yet every proposal
Speaker 1: to do anything serious about it is graded with oh, no,
Speaker 1: we better not that might have a downside, which again
Speaker 1: is another example of why democracy. Yeah, I mean, who
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's racketeering. Basically, you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're paying yourself and then you're proposing more policies that
Speaker 1: bring in more money or spend more money, and you
Speaker 1: have there's no responsibility to balance it out. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not for a balanced budget amendment for a few reasons,
Speaker 1: but the idea that you don't even have to worry
Speaker 1: about balancing anything out, it's crazy. No one lives their
Speaker 1: lives like that. Final topic, because I know you're writing
Speaker 1: about it, is Mitch McConnell's maneuver to get a vote
Speaker 1: on the Green New Deal. Um, it's it's snark delicious.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling I know exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 1: But what's his point? His point is that he wants
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, he this is a show bill
Speaker 1: to begin with. The bill is you know, the resolution
Speaker 1: itself on the Green New Deal so why not vote
Speaker 1: on it? Um, you know, he's pouncing on them by
Speaker 1: allowing them to vote, He's seizing on their actual beliefs
Speaker 1: to make them look bad at etcetera, etcetera. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just an assertion of intent. It's a resolution. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they want to vote on it? It makes zero sense.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously I know where they don't because of
Speaker 1: the AOC fact sheet, But um, I think it's a
Speaker 1: great move and let them vote on it. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know what's been done before Democrats due to it's
Speaker 1: not new in d C. But I mean why not?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it's funny they responsible from the left
Speaker 1: at McConnell's a cynic and this is a maneuver and everything.
Speaker 1: Having a vote on what we're proposing, I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think itself as a resolution? Right? So it's not
Speaker 1: even like a bill that's percolating or something. It's just
Speaker 1: the resolution thing that you want to move forward on
Speaker 1: this idea. Why wouldn't they want to vote to move
Speaker 1: forward on the idea that they put forward? They filed
Speaker 1: this resolution themselves, well, right, well, because they understand it's
Speaker 1: completely ridiculous, but they're afraid of that outer ten percent
Speaker 1: of the coalition that's madly in love with the whole things. So,
Speaker 1: by the way, presidential candidates who are in the Senate
Speaker 1: have endorsed it, why shouldn't they be able to vote
Speaker 1: on it? In for real? It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: David Arsani, senior editor of the Federalist new book First Freedom,
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