WEBVTT - Tale of Two Winners | EP 3 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:02.760 Hi, Curse Up listeners, I know you miss me on 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.560 your feed. Don't worry. We're working on an all new 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.520 season of Curse Of coming out later this year. In 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.879 the meantime, if you can't stop thinking about the shocking 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.320 stories you heard about America's Next Top Model, you'll definitely 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.320 want to check out our new docuseries from E Dirty 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.840 Rotten Scandals. In the series, you'll hear from the America's 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.279 Next Top Model participants you heard from on Curse Of, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.240 and a few you didn't like. Former A and TM 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:32.080 judge Janis Dickinson. Dirty Rotten Scandals unveils the dark underbelly 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.159 of the long running TV series through the untold stories 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.519 of former contestants, and shows what happens when a golden 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:43.640 opportunity for aspiring models unravels into a harrowing saga of exploitation, 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.560 shattered dreams, and resilience. You can find the two part 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.280 docuseries Dirty Rotten Scandals America's Next Top Model on E 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:56.240 Network check your local TV provider schedule. We've all heard 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.960 about A and TM's controversies, race swapping, challenges, dangers, its photoshoots, 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.520 and we'll get into all that later in the season. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.800 But I want to tell you about one controversy that 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.559 only the real fans know about, and it's the most 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.720 telling of them all. It happened to one model who 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.120 told me her story. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:20.480 I'm Angelie Preston. I am from Buffalo seven, one, six, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.240 All Day. People may remember me from America's X Top 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:29.520 Model Cycles twelve, fourteen, and seventeen, the original winner of 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.200 Cycle seventeen All Stars period. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.280 But if you look it up, Lisa Dematto is the 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:42.200 official winner of Cycle seventeen. So what happened? Well. To 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.800 understand Angelee's story, the first thing you need to know 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.400 is how hard she worked to even get cast on 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:52.480 A and TM. It was Angelie's dream to be on 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.280 the show. She auditioned three times before making it. The 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.480 first time, Angelie didn't even get a call back. The 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.720 second time Angelie sent in an audition. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.600 Tape, the producer called me was like, we want you 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.640 to come to New York New York City. Had never 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.639 been to New York. So I go down there and 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.040 I had nowhere to sleep. I was just a girl 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.040 with a dream, like, come on, let me just go 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.519 down here. This is my chance to see the cast 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.720 and director slip into port Authority and the stall. It 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.520 was so gross. Yes, I was so hungry, so hungry 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.160 for a girl. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.880 Angelie always knew she wanted to be a model. As 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.480 a kid, she was teased for being tall and skinny. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.560 She knew in the modeling industry her body type would 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.560 be celebrated. Plus, she experienced a personal tragedy after her 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.120 first audition that made her want it even more. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.400 I ended up getting pregnant with my daughter, so I 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.680 kind of like put that dream on hold and was 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.360 just like, Okay, I'm gonna just be a mom. Maybe 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.880 the modeling eight for me. My daughter passed away not 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.040 too long after she was born, and this was in 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.760 two thousand and seven, so I kind of took that 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.760 as a sign like maybe I'm not supposed to be 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.280 a mom yet. And then that's when I auditioned again. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.240 That was cycle twelve. She didn't make it on the show. 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.160 During the auditions, she got into a huge argument with 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.520 another contestant. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.919 And I showed my ass in Vegas and got set 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:24.680 the fuck home. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.920 I got saying, oh, I was smiling. But Angelie was 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.320 determined to make it on A and TM, so she 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.800 auditioned again and finally made it into the house on 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:41.720 Cycle fourteen, Angelie quickly became a fan favorite. She's one 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.760 of my favorites too. Remember Alicia Keys in the early 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.240 two thousands. Angelie kind of looks like her and has 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.080 her vibe. But if Alicia Keys was loud and outgoing 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.680 and didn't play the piano, but you get it the 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:58.960 same kind of homegirl vibe and Angelie's hilarious. When I 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.480 interviewed her, it was our first time meeting, but it 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.040 felt like I was talking to an old friend. You 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.240 ever met someone and just felt like they were born 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.480 to be famous? That's Angelie. But all the controversy around 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:16.120 her All Star season overshadowed her charisma and talent before 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.520 All Stars. When she was on Cycle fourteen, Angelie did well. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.200 She made it to the final four, but she was 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.000 still a little rough around the edges. She got into 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:26.720 it with a few girls on her season. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.600 Bitchated, I'm uneducated. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.320 I don't know, are you well? 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:34.159 I'm not educated? 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:39.719 You know what, I really don't look it up tonight. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.320 It's really unfair that people assume that I'm uneducated because 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:47.040 I talked this way. 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.560 You educated and you ignorant, and you really when the 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.840 judges eliminated her on cycle fourteen. They said they were 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.080 worried A and TM would be the end for her, 0:04:56.400 --> 0:05:01.360 not the beginning. But not too long after, producers reached 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.560 out to invite her back on for cycle seventeen. It 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.520 would be A and TM's first and only all star season. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.520 They invited former A ANDTM contestants to compete against each 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.799 other for the title of America's next Top Model. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.880 This is an opportunity to do it right this time, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.400 and they're talking about the format is going to be 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.400 different for all Stars. They're going to be branding us 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.880 as celebrities and you're gonna get paid. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.520 Angelie decided to do it this time. She was going 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.920 to show a more poised side of herself. At first, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.520 the judges were like, where's the old Angelie? But eventually 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.280 her new approach paid off. When it came time to 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.880 shoot the finale in Greece, the set was built and 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.320 the cameras were rolling. Angelie and the other two finalists 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.440 stood in front of Tyra and Angelie's picture was the 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.200 final one on the screen. Angelie was crowned the winner 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:55.000 of A and TM. She burst into tears. Everything had 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.240 been worth it. She'd finally won a win that came 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.040 with one hundred thousand dollars cover Girl contract. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.560 When I won first, all was had. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.599 I was like hell yeah, I want yeah, yeah. 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.160 My life was changed forever, Like my mom was gonna 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:11.600 be taking care of I'm gonna take care of her 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:12.560 how she took care of me. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.880 I wish I could play you a clip of Angelie's win, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:22.120 but I can't because it never aired. Want to Beyond 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:35.160 some want to Beyond. Welcome to the Curse of America's 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:42.800 Next Top Model. I'm Bridget Armstrong. Last episode, we did 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.440 a deep dive on cycle one because it's the blueprint 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.360 for what A and TM became, which was a mega hit. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.280 The production grew, and so did the show's popularity. They 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.640 were filming multiple cycles within the same calendar year, churning 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:00.680 out winner after winner. They struck TV Goldous and The Three. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.360 Supermodel Tyra Banks had an idea for a reality show. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.800 She called it America's Next Top Model, where she and 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.320 a panel of judges. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.840 Set out to find out the next it girl on 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:10.440 the runway. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.320 Fifteen years and twenty four seasons later, the hit show 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.160 has become the longest running reality function series. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.360 Airing in seventy three, Country You. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:20.960 Go, Girl and the Boss's back. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.360 As the show's success also meant it had a reputation 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.280 to protect, they had more to lose. That's a big 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.480 part of how Angelie ended up having her win revoked 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.160 by A and TM executives. A and TM never told 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:40.040 viewers the real story behind Angelie's disqualification. Fans have wondered 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.200 what really happened and how the show was even allowed 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.720 to take the title from a winner. And I'll tell 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.520 you now, the reversal was completely within the show's rights 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.040 because of the contract Angelie signed. I've talked to more 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.720 than a dozen former A and TM models and their 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.240 contracts came up a lot. So on this episode, they'll 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.080 take you back to who they were when they signed 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.720 on the dotted line, tell you what they thought they 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.240 were signing up for and what it actually turned out 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.960 to be, and you'll hear the story behind one of 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.320 A and TM's most shocking controversies from the two models 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:18.119 at the center of it. Despite Angelie being the first 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.720 winner of A ANDTM All Stars, Lisa Demado's win is 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.320 what actually aired on the show. There will be one 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:42.720 final shot which will announce who America's next Top model is. Lisa. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:47.880 It's absolute replacing. You deserve this, Lisa, you are the original. 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:52.120 You are a star. I called up Lisa Demato, the 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.760 official winner of A and TM All Stars, to hear 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:55.880 her side of the story. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.559 I have got receipts, i have got research, I've got names, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.640 I've got stories these days. 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.800 Lisa lives in Portugal. She's a mom of two sons 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.320 and a caregiver to her father. She seems to be 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.720 going through a nasty divorce. Lisa started a company that 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.960 makes a food storage bib for toddlers. It was featured 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.920 on Shark Tank. When she joined me, she was sitting 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.520 outside on a noisy patio, possibly at a rental house. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.360 She was saying it while her castle was being renovated. Honestly, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.240 it's a little hard to follow because our interviews started 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.520 out on a chaotic note which felt on brand but 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:35.160 true to model form. Lisa looked great. Her hair wasn't 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.120 that different than when she was first on A and 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.680 TM On cycle five, she was rocking a dirty blonde, 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:44.880 asymmetrical bob. In fact, Lisa pretty much looks the same, 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.880 same deep set eyes, same big wide smile. But from 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.440 the moment Lisa joined our call, she let me know 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.120 she did not come to play. She's probably one of, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.960 if not the most publicly critical former A and TM contestants. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.760 We talked for almost four hours across two days. Lisa 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.120 told me about what she sees as a pattern of 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.280 manipulation from Tyra Banks and the A and TM producers. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:15.120 She said the show completely ruined her professional reputation. Lisa 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.880 is one of the most infamous contestants to ever grace 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.680 an A and TM set. The first time she appeared 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.440 on the show in cycle five, she was chaos personified. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.440 There was her perceived drinking problem that alienated her from 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:29.719 a lot of the other contestants. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.160 Lisa drinks. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.280 She's going through like bottles of wine, like whole bottles 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.360 in less than forty five minutes. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:38.240 Is sick. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.160 Definitely think that Lisa's drinking is hurting. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.880 Her the Josh, You're not gonna want. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.880 Someone who's an alcoholic to represent America's next hot model. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.480 Her attitude and like her drinking and everything that she's 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.120 doing here is just bizarre to me. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.199 And the time she peed in a diaper during a 0:10:55.240 --> 0:11:00.000 photo shoot with the guy from MTV's jackass. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.480 No woman of class, especially a supermodel and making is 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.920 gonna do something as disgusting as p on herself at 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:10.520 her job. 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.200 She managed to shock Stevo, which is an amazing feat. 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.280 Lisa didn't seem to get along with most of the 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.840 girls on her season. She came off like a drunk 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.600 no at all. She was definitely one of that cycle's villains, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.280 but she made such great tv A and TM brought 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.559 her back for cycle seventeen All Stars. Despite the controversy 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.800 around her win in that season, Lisa believes she was 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.600 actually predetermined to win the whole thing. She thinks this 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.719 because of something she says was in her contract. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:47.440 I actually signed the winning contract before even going. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:47.960 On All Stars. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.400 My manager was told by production not every girl signed 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.400 the winning contract, and I asked some of the girls 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.040 why we were filming, and they said dump. I was 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:02.400 set up to win from the very beginning. That was 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.600 all planned from the very beginning. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:09.760 For the finale, She thinks the whole thing was an 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.560 elaborate plot and that they never intended to give Angelie 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:14.880 the win they did. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:16.560 Angelie so dirty. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.600 Lisa says producers manufactured a fake win for Angelie. She 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.160 said the finale, said in Greece, didn't even look complete. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.560 Lisa believes they leaked the alleged fake win to stir 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.800 up controversy around the season and hopefully boost the ratings, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.600 which had dropped. It is true that news of Angelie's 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.680 win had leaked before the finale aired. An A and 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.959 TM producer told me that was the real reason the 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.760 show picked a new winner and reshot the finale. They 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.040 were worried no one would watch the season if they 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.960 already knew the outcome. But Angelie told me neither of 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.520 those stories are correct. She told me she leaked the 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.000 information about her win after it was revoked. According to Angelie, 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.040 the real reason A ANDTM producer stripper of her win 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.640 is much more disturbing. She says, shortly after filming ended, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:06.880 she got a call. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.040 A week or two later, somebody from the network production 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.680 called me. I was like, you know, they want to 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.880 have a meeting with you, and they basically told me 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.160 we can't air you as the winner because you violated 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:21.920 your contract. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.839 There's a rumor that Angelie was disqualified because she spoke 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:32.360 publicly about her win before it aired. The contract explicitly 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.480 forbids contestants from doing that. But Angelie says she didn't 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.240 violate this part of the contract because remember, she says 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.679 she didn't leak her win until after it was revoked. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.840 Angeline says producers told her she breached the morality clause 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.839 in her contract. The morality clause basically says producers can 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.640 strip the winner of the prizes and title of America's 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.040 Next Top Model if at any point before or after 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.000 their win, they are caught or expelo doing something that 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:06.040 causes public disgrace, outrage, embarrassment, or otherwise constitutes an act 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:11.880 of moral turpitude. The examples the contract gives are getting arrested, charged, 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.520 and or convicted of a crime, or appearing in sexually 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:20.440 explicit material. I know you're wondering what exactly did Angelie 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.800 do to violate the morality clause, and I promise you 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.760 we're going to get there. Whether you believe the rumor 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.480 or Angelie's story, what you need to know now is 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.720 the outcome is the same. The contract states if a 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:39.040 winning contestant breaches any part of the contract, antm producers 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.040 have the right to strip them of their title and 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.720 the winnings. So either way. She couldn't fight it, and 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:50.760 she was heartbroken. Remember, Angelie really wanted this. She auditioned 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.480 for A and TM three times before getting cast on the. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.520 Show That was ball And I was crying right obviously, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.800 because you guys just put a dagger through my heart. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:02.800 Iden had all this plans for this money. This was 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.440 to be my second, my third chance to make it right. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.240 I was going to do right this time, and now 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.440 you're basically telling me, Nope, you just did all this 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:10.320 for nothing. Again. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.440 I got my hands on a copy of that contract, 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.120 and after the break we take a look and find 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:26.560 out what A and TM considered a moral violation. Contracts 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.120 on reality TV are a pretty standard thing. The contracts 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.080 ensure that the rights and obligations of talent and producers 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.560 are clear. On the talent side, on a very basic level, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.560 it spells out the payment terms, and on production side, 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.680 the contracts ensure cast members don't gossip and spoil the 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.680 show before it comes out or divulge the behind the 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.760 scenes production secrets. They also want to make sure the 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.240 cast members can't sue if they don't like their edit 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.880 wants to show airs. Sophie Sumner is the model I 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.200 talked to from A and TM's British Invasion season. That 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.840 was the season where models from the UK competed against 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.120 American models. She was the winner of that season, but 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.360 before coming on A and TM, she competed on Britain's 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.720 Next Top Model, and she told me the A and 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.240 TM contract was a whole different beast. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.160 I do remember the America one being like WHOA. I 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.400 swear the American one was literally like we own you 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:21.720 for the rest of your life and everything you. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.960 Do, honestly like what they said. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:26.800 And I think Britain was like you gotta be on 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.200 camera and baby, like you might make money after him, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:30.880 We'll take it for a year. 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.400 I've read an A and TM contract, actually a few 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.800 of them, including one from cycle seventeen, and I agree 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.640 with Sophie, it's WHOA. When I talked to the rest 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.520 of the models about their contracts, this idea of A 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:50.120 and TM owning them kept coming up. Here's Uvi Gomez 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:50.920 from cycle four. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.320 I was like, barely twenty one, just signing my life away. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.600 And hannahcat Jones, who was the second runner up on 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:58.960 cycle sixteen. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.280 I felt like I was signing my soul away, and 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:07.040 I thought about how the opportunity would be life changing. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.560 So life changing that Hannah looked the other way on 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.520 a particularly concerning clause in the contract. 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:15.920 And another thing that was in the contract that I 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.760 always remember standing out was if something happened to me 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.679 on the show, if I got insured or even died, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.200 my family wouldn't be owed anything. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.840 If you're thinking, well, that probably just meant Hannah couldn't 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.200 sue the show should something happen. I'm sure ANTM had 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.959 insurance to cover the contestants if they were hurt, you 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:39.399 would be wrong. The contract made the contestants acknowledge that 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.920 they were personally responsible for maintaining accident and health insurance 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.879 to cover any bodily injury they suffered on set, while traveling, 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.760 or in housing provided by producers. Contestants had to acknowledge 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.840 they were responsible for insurance to cover short and long 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.800 term disability, and any insurance that would cover their deaths. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.440 They also had to irrevocably waive their right to sue 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.400 the other contestants, the producers, the production company, the network, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:12.119 and its subsidiaries should physical, emotional, or mental injury occur, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.320 or should they die because of something that happened on 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.600 an A and TM set, which is kind of wild 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.080 when you remember that on Hannah season they did a 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.119 photo shoot with live bees, a photo shoot in an 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.960 actual landfill, and a runway wearing gloves that have been 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:34.840 set on fire. Sarah Hartthorn competed as a plus sized 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.679 model on Cycle nine. She recently wrote a tell all 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.880 book about her experiences on A and TM. She has 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.919 a lot of perspective about A and TM now, but 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.280 when she signed up for it, she didn't understand what 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:47.080 she was getting into. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.080 At the time, we knew we were signing our life away, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.119 but I'm not sure I had the prefuntal cortex to 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.160 really understand the ramifications of that. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.160 Sarah told me she wasn't the only one who had 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.040 to sign. Anyone she planned to talk to while in 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.639 the house also had to sign a contract. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.199 If you want to be able to call anyone on 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:07.520 the phone while you were there, you had to have 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:11.520 them basically sign their life away too. My boyfriend, my friends. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:12.720 I talked to my. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.600 Grandpa every week and he was like, I can't sign this, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.679 Like I can't and I was like, no, I know, 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.920 you're signing your life away and he's like, no, you're 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.280 signing your life rights away. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.000 Do you understand that? And I was like, I do not. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.440 Sarah's granddad was referring to a part of the contract 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.000 that gave A and TM the right to depict Sarah 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.080 any way they wanted to, wherever they wanted to, or 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.960 whenever they wanted to. Here's something strange, u V remembers 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.400 in her contract. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.280 It said something wild like we cannot talk about it 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.479 on this planet or any other planet. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:51.720 It was something so odd. I was like, do they 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:56.040 know something though we don't know. Actually, I want to 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.040 read you the part of the contract you V and 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.119 Sarah are talking about. Here are some verbatim quotes, and 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.080 bear with me, y'all, this might be one of the 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:08.359 longest sentences you've ever heard. I irrevocably grant and release 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.640 Poddle is Tyra and Kim Max's production company, in perpetuity 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.920 and throughout the universe, the exclusive right to depict, portray, 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:22.400 and represent me in my life and all episodes, exploits, events, incidents, situations, 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:27.920 and experiences contained in or associated or related to my life, including, 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:32.199 without limitation, my experiences and connection with the program, my 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.520 life story. And yes, it actually says life story in 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:40.320 the contract and the material in theatrical motion pictures, television 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:46.320 programs and series, theatrical stage, presentation, radio, internet websites, programs 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:52.000 and presentations, other audio visual, audio visual and or print productions, 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:59.280 books and other print publications, the production, reproduction, exhibition, broadcast, distribution, 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:05.280 adveratarse promotion, and other exploitation of the productions in any 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:14.000 and all media, whether now known or hereafter devised. Who Now, 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.000 this didn't mean that after the show, A and TM 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.840 could barge into the contestants home and film them eating dinner. 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.080 What it meant was that any footage A and TM 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.440 got of the contestants, whether it aired or not, could 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.400 be used. However, and whenever A and TM wanted, and 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.720 here's something disturbing, they could even use footage of the 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:38.080 contestants partially clothed or naked, whether they were aware or 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:44.280 unaware of such videotaping. To this day, Tyra and Kim 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.520 Max's production company could use old A and TM footage 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.080 and edit it in any way they wanted to, and 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:54.679 the contestants can't sue. Signing this contract gives the production 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.600 company the right to inaccurately portray the contestants to convey 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.880 whatever story they wanted to to. Here's what the contract 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:06.520 actually says, Pottle and producers may depict and portray me 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.560 in my life story, either accurately or with such liberties 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:14.560 and modifications as producers determined necessary and their sole discretion, 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:19.719 for the purposes of fictionalization, dramatization, or any other purposes, 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:24.320 including without limitation, to achieve a humorous or satirical effect, 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.480 and by means of actors who may or may not 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:34.440 resemble me. Remember now, this is a reality TV contract. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.960 I asked a few crew members about this actor clause, 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.320 and to my knowledge, the show never actually passed off 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.080 an actor is one of the contestants. But let me 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.000 explain a situation in which they could have used this 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:51.199 clause on Cyclephour. According to a contestant, she had a 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.640 loved one in a car accident and she wanted to leave. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.120 The show asked her to stay for a few days 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.080 so they could make a plan for writing her off, 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.639