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Speaker 1: Hi, Curse Up listeners, I know you miss me on

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Speaker 1: your feed. Don't worry. We're working on an all new

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Speaker 1: season of Curse Of coming out later this year. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, if you can't stop thinking about the shocking

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Speaker 1: stories you heard about America's Next Top Model, you'll definitely

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Speaker 1: want to check out our new docuseries from E Dirty

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Speaker 1: Rotten Scandals. In the series, you'll hear from the America's

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Speaker 1: Next Top Model participants you heard from on Curse Of,

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Speaker 1: and a few you didn't like. Former A and TM

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Speaker 1: judge Janis Dickinson. Dirty Rotten Scandals unveils the dark underbelly

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Speaker 1: of the long running TV series through the untold stories

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Speaker 1: of former contestants, and shows what happens when a golden

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Speaker 1: opportunity for aspiring models unravels into a harrowing saga of exploitation,

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Speaker 1: shattered dreams, and resilience. You can find the two part

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Speaker 1: docuseries Dirty Rotten Scandals America's Next Top Model on E

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Speaker 1: Network check your local TV provider schedule. We've all heard

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Speaker 1: about A and TM's controversies, race swapping, challenges, dangers, its photoshoots,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into all that later in the season.

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Speaker 1: But I want to tell you about one controversy that

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Speaker 1: only the real fans know about, and it's the most

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Speaker 1: telling of them all. It happened to one model who

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Speaker 1: told me her story.

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Speaker 2: I'm Angelie Preston. I am from Buffalo seven, one, six,

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Speaker 2: All Day. People may remember me from America's X Top

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Speaker 2: Model Cycles twelve, fourteen, and seventeen, the original winner of

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Speaker 2: Cycle seventeen All Stars period.

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Speaker 1: But if you look it up, Lisa Dematto is the

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Speaker 1: official winner of Cycle seventeen. So what happened? Well. To

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Speaker 1: understand Angelee's story, the first thing you need to know

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Speaker 1: is how hard she worked to even get cast on

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Speaker 1: A and TM. It was Angelie's dream to be on

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Speaker 1: the show. She auditioned three times before making it. The

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Speaker 1: first time, Angelie didn't even get a call back. The

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Speaker 1: second time Angelie sent in an audition.

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Speaker 2: Tape, the producer called me was like, we want you

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Speaker 2: to come to New York New York City. Had never

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Speaker 2: been to New York. So I go down there and

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Speaker 2: I had nowhere to sleep. I was just a girl

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Speaker 2: down here. This is my chance to see the cast

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Speaker 2: and director slip into port Authority and the stall. It

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Speaker 2: was so gross. Yes, I was so hungry, so hungry

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Speaker 1: Angelie always knew she wanted to be a model. As

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Speaker 1: a kid, she was teased for being tall and skinny.

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Speaker 1: She knew in the modeling industry her body type would

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Speaker 2: I ended up getting pregnant with my daughter, so I

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Speaker 2: just like, Okay, I'm gonna just be a mom. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the modeling eight for me. My daughter passed away not

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Speaker 2: as a sign like maybe I'm not supposed to be

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Speaker 1: That was cycle twelve. She didn't make it on the show.

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Speaker 1: During the auditions, she got into a huge argument with

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Speaker 2: And I showed my ass in Vegas and got set

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Speaker 1: I got saying, oh, I was smiling. But Angelie was

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Speaker 1: determined to make it on A and TM, so she

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Speaker 1: Cycle fourteen, Angelie quickly became a fan favorite. She's one

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Speaker 1: of my favorites too. Remember Alicia Keys in the early

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Speaker 1: two thousands. Angelie kind of looks like her and has

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Speaker 1: her vibe. But if Alicia Keys was loud and outgoing

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Speaker 1: same kind of homegirl vibe and Angelie's hilarious. When I

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Speaker 1: to be famous? That's Angelie. But all the controversy around

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Speaker 1: her All Star season overshadowed her charisma and talent before

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Speaker 1: All Stars. When she was on Cycle fourteen, Angelie did well.

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Speaker 1: She made it to the final four, but she was

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Speaker 2: Bitchated, I'm uneducated.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, are you well?

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Speaker 4: I'm not educated?

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Speaker 5: You know what, I really don't look it up tonight.

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Speaker 2: It's really unfair that people assume that I'm uneducated because

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Speaker 1: You educated and you ignorant, and you really when the

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Speaker 1: judges eliminated her on cycle fourteen. They said they were

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Speaker 1: not the beginning. But not too long after, producers reached

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Speaker 1: out to invite her back on for cycle seventeen. It

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Speaker 1: They invited former A ANDTM contestants to compete against each

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Speaker 2: This is an opportunity to do it right this time,

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Speaker 2: and they're talking about the format is going to be

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Speaker 1: Angelie decided to do it this time. She was going

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Speaker 1: to show a more poised side of herself. At first,

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Speaker 1: the judges were like, where's the old Angelie? But eventually

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Speaker 1: her new approach paid off. When it came time to

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Speaker 1: stood in front of Tyra and Angelie's picture was the

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Speaker 1: final one on the screen. Angelie was crowned the winner

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Speaker 1: of A and TM. She burst into tears. Everything had

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Speaker 1: been worth it. She'd finally won a win that came

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Speaker 1: with one hundred thousand dollars cover Girl contract.

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Speaker 2: When I won first, all was had.

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Speaker 1: I was like hell yeah, I want yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: My life was changed forever, Like my mom was gonna

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Speaker 2: how she took care of me.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could play you a clip of Angelie's win,

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Speaker 1: but I can't because it never aired. Want to Beyond

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Speaker 1: some want to Beyond. Welcome to the Curse of America's

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Speaker 1: Next Top Model. I'm Bridget Armstrong. Last episode, we did

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Speaker 1: a deep dive on cycle one because it's the blueprint

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Speaker 1: for what A and TM became, which was a mega hit.

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Speaker 1: The production grew, and so did the show's popularity. They

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Speaker 1: out winner after winner. They struck TV Goldous and The Three.

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Speaker 6: Supermodel Tyra Banks had an idea for a reality show.

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Speaker 4: She called it America's Next Top Model, where she and

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Speaker 1: Set out to find out the next it girl on

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Speaker 3: Fifteen years and twenty four seasons later, the hit show

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Speaker 3: has become the longest running reality function series.

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Speaker 1: Airing in seventy three, Country You.

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Speaker 4: Go, Girl and the Boss's back.

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Speaker 1: As the show's success also meant it had a reputation

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Speaker 1: to protect, they had more to lose. That's a big

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Speaker 1: part of how Angelie ended up having her win revoked

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Speaker 1: by A and TM executives. A and TM never told

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Speaker 1: viewers the real story behind Angelie's disqualification. Fans have wondered

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Speaker 1: what really happened and how the show was even allowed

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Speaker 1: to take the title from a winner. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you now, the reversal was completely within the show's rights

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Speaker 1: because of the contract Angelie signed. I've talked to more

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Speaker 1: than a dozen former A and TM models and their

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Speaker 1: contracts came up a lot. So on this episode, they'll

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Speaker 1: A and TM's most shocking controversies from the two models

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Speaker 1: at the center of it. Despite Angelie being the first

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Speaker 1: winner of A ANDTM All Stars, Lisa Demado's win is

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Speaker 1: what actually aired on the show. There will be one

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Speaker 1: final shot which will announce who America's next Top model is. Lisa.

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Speaker 1: It's absolute replacing. You deserve this, Lisa, you are the original.

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Speaker 1: You are a star. I called up Lisa Demato, the

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Speaker 1: official winner of A and TM All Stars, to hear

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Speaker 1: her side of the story.

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Speaker 7: I have got receipts, i have got research, I've got names,

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Speaker 7: I've got stories these days.

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Speaker 1: Lisa lives in Portugal. She's a mom of two sons

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Speaker 1: going through a nasty divorce. Lisa started a company that

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Speaker 1: makes a food storage bib for toddlers. It was featured

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Speaker 1: on Shark Tank. When she joined me, she was sitting

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Speaker 1: outside on a noisy patio, possibly at a rental house.

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Speaker 1: She was saying it while her castle was being renovated. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: out on a chaotic note which felt on brand but

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Speaker 1: true to model form. Lisa looked great. Her hair wasn't

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Speaker 1: that different than when she was first on A and

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Speaker 1: TM On cycle five, she was rocking a dirty blonde,

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Speaker 1: asymmetrical bob. In fact, Lisa pretty much looks the same,

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Speaker 1: same deep set eyes, same big wide smile. But from

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Speaker 1: the moment Lisa joined our call, she let me know

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Speaker 1: she did not come to play. She's probably one of,

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Speaker 1: if not the most publicly critical former A and TM contestants.

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Speaker 1: We talked for almost four hours across two days. Lisa

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Speaker 1: told me about what she sees as a pattern of

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Speaker 1: manipulation from Tyra Banks and the A and TM producers.

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Speaker 1: She said the show completely ruined her professional reputation. Lisa

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Speaker 1: is one of the most infamous contestants to ever grace

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Speaker 1: an A and TM set. The first time she appeared

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Speaker 1: on the show in cycle five, she was chaos personified.

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Speaker 1: There was her perceived drinking problem that alienated her from

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Speaker 5: Lisa drinks.

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Speaker 8: She's going through like bottles of wine, like whole bottles

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Speaker 9: Definitely think that Lisa's drinking is hurting.

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Speaker 1: Her the Josh, You're not gonna want.

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Speaker 7: Someone who's an alcoholic to represent America's next hot model.

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Speaker 10: Her attitude and like her drinking and everything that she's

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Speaker 1: And the time she peed in a diaper during a

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Speaker 8: No woman of class, especially a supermodel and making is

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Speaker 8: her job.

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Speaker 1: She managed to shock Stevo, which is an amazing feat.

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Speaker 1: Lisa didn't seem to get along with most of the

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Speaker 1: girls on her season. She came off like a drunk

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Speaker 1: no at all. She was definitely one of that cycle's villains,

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Speaker 1: but she made such great tv A and TM brought

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Speaker 1: her back for cycle seventeen All Stars. Despite the controversy

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Speaker 1: around her win in that season, Lisa believes she was

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Speaker 1: actually predetermined to win the whole thing. She thinks this

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Speaker 1: because of something she says was in her contract.

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Speaker 7: I actually signed the winning contract before even going.

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Speaker 2: On All Stars.

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Speaker 11: My manager was told by production not every girl signed

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Speaker 11: the winning contract, and I asked some of the girls

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Speaker 11: why we were filming, and they said dump. I was

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Speaker 11: set up to win from the very beginning. That was

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Speaker 11: all planned from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: For the finale, She thinks the whole thing was an

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Speaker 1: elaborate plot and that they never intended to give Angelie

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Speaker 1: the win they did.

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Speaker 2: Angelie so dirty.

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Speaker 1: Lisa says producers manufactured a fake win for Angelie. She

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Speaker 9: tactics and threatenings via the contract to I think convince

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Speaker 9: people not to talk and not to speak.

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Speaker 1: You may be wondering who in their right mind would

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Speaker 1: sign this contract, and the answer is kids. These were

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Speaker 1: naive teenagers and twenty somethings who were being offered the

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Speaker 1: false promise of a career in the modeling industry. Sharon

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Speaker 1: Brown was the first person eliminated on cycle eleven. She

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Speaker 1: was really cute, with big, bright eyes and an infectious smile.

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Speaker 1: She looked super young because she was she was eighteen,

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Speaker 1: but she hadn't even graduated high school. When she was

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Speaker 1: on the show, I.

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Speaker 6: Missed from my graduation, all the seen year festivities and everything.

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Speaker 1: To the ale Americ City Hall. It actually the day

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Speaker 1: that I got eliminated was the day of my graduation.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Hartstorms was in college, but she'd barely watched television

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Speaker 1: when she signed up for A and TM.

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Speaker 4: I was eighteen when I auditioned and nineteen when we

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Speaker 4: shot the show. I am from a town of seven

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Speaker 4: hundred and sixty five people. My graduating class was fifteen kids.

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Speaker 4: There is no TV in my hometown still to this day.

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Speaker 4: You can't get regular cable because the cables don't reach

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Speaker 4: it's too high up the mountain. So I didn't know anything,

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Speaker 4: you know, I had never seen any reality TV.

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Speaker 1: Sarah went to college in Boston and that's when she

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Speaker 1: was introduced to TV and A ANDTM. She remembers going

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Speaker 1: to the casting call and being told to do her

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Speaker 1: best runway walk.

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Speaker 4: They were saying, well, you've all seen models walk the runway,

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Speaker 4: and I realized that the only models I'd ever seen

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Speaker 4: walker runway was like the one season of Top Model

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Speaker 4: that I'd watched before I was on the show.

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Speaker 1: Kenya Hill was a finalist on cycle four. I remember Kenya.

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Speaker 1: She was my pick to win when I was watching

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Speaker 1: her season. I was sixteen, and to me, Kenya looked

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Speaker 1: like a sophisticated adult. She had that sharp jawline and

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Speaker 1: thousand watts smile that made her look like she belonged

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Speaker 1: on a college brochure. I didn't realize it back then,

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Speaker 1: because to a high schooler, a college student looks like

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Speaker 1: a sophisticated adult. So when Kenya was on the show,

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Speaker 1: she was barely older than me.

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Speaker 13: I was seventeen years old. I was a freshman in

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Speaker 13: college and I was living on campus. I actually auditioned

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Speaker 13: for Top Model twice. I did the first audition while

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Speaker 13: I was living in my dorms at school, and I

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00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 13: had to go rent a VHS recorder. Okay, we're talking

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Speaker 13: ancient times, so I had to go rent one from

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Speaker 13: like the campus's radio section and self tape like me

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Speaker 13: walking on the runway, which was like the dorm at

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Speaker 13: my school. And I remember having someone take some photos

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Speaker 13: of me on a disposable camera. Because I had zero

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Speaker 13: modeling experience, I just knew from watching America's Next Top

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Speaker 13: Model the first like two cycles that I needed to

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Speaker 13: be on this show.

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Speaker 1: Kenya wanted to be a model because it was one

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Speaker 1: of the few places where she saw people who look

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Speaker 1: like her, and she thought the best way to get

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Speaker 1: into the industry was to go on A and TM again.

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Speaker 1: She was seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I had always wanted to model.

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Speaker 13: However, I was bullied pretty badly in junior high and

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Speaker 13: in high school. In my community where I was living,

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Speaker 13: it was cooler to be thick and curvy, and I

498
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Speaker 13: was not that can.

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Speaker 2: We curse on this thing?

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Speaker 13: I didn't have no ass okay, and I felt like

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Speaker 13: modeling is the one area where I'm accepted, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 13: I'm really slim, I'm tall, and I would be able

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Speaker 13: to thrive in this area.

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Speaker 1: If you're like me, you would probably never go on

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Speaker 1: a reality show. So it might be hard to understand

506
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Speaker 1: why anyone would sign such a one sided contract. These days,

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Speaker 1: the answer is generally fame and money. Nini Leaks of

508
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Speaker 1: The Real Housewives of Atlanta reportedly made two point eighty

509
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Speaker 1: five million dollars a season at her peak, but numbers

510
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Speaker 1: like that are usually for the biggest stars in reality TV.

511
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Speaker 1: The cast of Love Island USA season seven allegedly got

512
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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars a week. Now, no one's getting rich

513
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: off that, but it is something to help with expenses

514
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Speaker 1: back home while the show is in production. For most

515
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Speaker 1: reality TV personalities, the big paycheck comes after the show.

516
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: These days, they can roll their new found fame into

517
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Speaker 1: influencer status, and that means lucrative brand and endorsement deals.

518
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Speaker 1: But here's what you have to remember about A and TM.

519
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Speaker 1: The first twenty seasons of that show were shot before

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Speaker 1: Instagram became popular. I mean, King is sentent a VHS

521
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: tape for her audition. This was before reality TV contestants

522
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: could cash in on becoming influencers, and back when A

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Speaker 1: and TM was on, there were no standards for how

524
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Speaker 1: much reality stars should get paid. There barely are today.

525
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Speaker 1: The contracts the A and TM contestant sign outlined a

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Speaker 1: per diem, a small daily stipend meant to cover a

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Speaker 1: like personal items and food for when they were in

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Speaker 1: the Model House. The amount ranged from season to season.

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Speaker 1: Sarah remembers hers being so low she had to choose

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Speaker 1: between eating and saving money.

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Speaker 4: Most days, we weren't getting paid except for a stipend

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Speaker 4: that we had to use to pay for our own food.

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Speaker 4: It was thirty seven dollars a day.

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Speaker 1: The exact amount differed from season to season. In fact,

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Speaker 1: it laid that out in the eligibility requirements the contestants

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Speaker 1: saw before auditioning. It said they would receive a per

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Speaker 1: DM allowance, with the amount to be determined by the producers.

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Speaker 1: Sarah was paying her way through college. She'd lined up

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Speaker 1: a summer job at a blueberry farm before she got

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Speaker 1: on A and TM. She of course chose the show,

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Speaker 1: but that meant she wasn't going to get those blueberry earnings.

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Speaker 4: And so I got very obsessive about saving money and

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Speaker 4: eating as cheaply as I could, and eating as.

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Speaker 1: Little as I could.

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Speaker 4: If I like bought food that wasn't good, I had

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Speaker 4: to throw it away like that would be the end

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Speaker 4: of the world.

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Speaker 1: Here's cycle to a winner. You want a house.

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Speaker 5: We were not paid. We were given a per dim.

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Speaker 5: I believe it was like fifty dollars. And I saved

551
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Speaker 5: the per diem because I stayed till the end of

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Speaker 5: the show, so I never blew through my per dim.

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Speaker 5: I saved it. And that was actually the money I

554
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Speaker 5: used to move to New York.

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Speaker 2: Was the per dims by.

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Speaker 1: The time Gina Turner came around on the last season,

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Speaker 1: the budgets were a bit tighter.

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Speaker 9: Our per diem started at like twelve dollars a day,

559
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Speaker 9: and then if you made it past the next following elimination,

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Speaker 9: it got bumped up to like nineteen twenty dollars a day,

561
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Speaker 9: and then if you made it past another one and

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Speaker 9: it was twenty four dollars a day if the so

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Speaker 9: it was like gradually increasing the more that you made it.

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Speaker 9: But it's not like you can pocket any of that money.

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Speaker 9: We live in the hills in La Everything is expensive,

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Speaker 9: and then people don't understand we're paying for our own food.

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Speaker 9: And then not only that, we didn't have a washer

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Speaker 9: and dryer in our.

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Speaker 1: House, so they even we had to pay to get

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Speaker 1: their laundry done. There are people who would say, well,

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Speaker 1: this is what they signed up for. Their payment was

572
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to be on the show. In fact, Farahart's

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Speaker 1: one got this very comment from someone.

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Speaker 4: On Twitter, and I was like, no, we got forty

575
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Speaker 4: dollars a day and we had to use that to

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Speaker 4: pay for our own food. That was the tweet and

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Speaker 4: people were like a surprised to hear that, but also

578
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Speaker 4: they were so.

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Speaker 9: Mad at me.

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Speaker 4: There were so many people who were applied to that tweet, like,

581
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Speaker 4: you knew what you were getting into, you got paid

582
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Speaker 4: in exposure. You're just bitter that you didn't win, And

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not bitter that I didn't win. I'm

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Speaker 4: bitter that there were a lot of girls who couldn't

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Speaker 4: afford the mental help that they needed after the show.

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Speaker 4: I've been so surprised by the backlash when I have

587
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Speaker 4: said that I think.

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Speaker 1: We deserve to be paid.

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Speaker 4: It feels so not controversial to say I think people

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Speaker 4: should be paid for their work.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting because according to A and TM, the contestants

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Speaker 1: weren't employees. That's how they were able to avoid paying

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Speaker 1: them a real wage, even though they showed up on

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Speaker 1: set for twelve plus hour days. It made Tyra in

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Speaker 1: the network a lot of money. They signed a contract

596
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: that only entitled them to a minuscule per dim Now,

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Speaker 1: to a teenager in the early two thousands, a few

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars might seem like a lot of money. Kenya

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Speaker 1: Hill made it to the finals on her season, which

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Speaker 1: meant she went on the international trip to South Africa.

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Speaker 6: We're best believed by the time we got to South Africa,

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Speaker 6: I spent all that money shopping. I definitely spent that money.

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Speaker 6: But later on, like a couple of years after doing

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Speaker 6: the show, I remember feeling like this sucks. Like this

605
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Speaker 6: show now is blowing up and it is in over

606
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 6: one hundred and seventy countries, and we don't make a

607
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Speaker 6: dollar off of this, And so it just at that point,

608
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Speaker 6: like after I saw how big this show really was,

609
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Speaker 6: like it felt like they get to make money off

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Speaker 6: of my likeness forever.

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Speaker 1: Just a little context. In two thousand and nine, two

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Speaker 1: years after Sarah went on the show, Tyra Banks was

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Speaker 1: on the Forbes Top Earning Women in Primetime list. She

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Speaker 1: reportedly made thirty million dollars between A and TM and

615
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Speaker 1: her talk show in one year. Of course, ANTM was

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Speaker 1: Tyra's idea and she was the star, so she deserved

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Speaker 1: to make the most money from it, but damn she

618
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Speaker 1: couldn't break the models off a little thousand dollars or something.

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Speaker 1: You might be like the people who clap back at

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Speaker 1: Sarah online and disagree with me. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who say, per the contract day signed, the

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Speaker 1: only contestants who deserved to make money from A ANDTM

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Speaker 1: were the winners, except there are a few winners who

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Speaker 1: also didn't get paid. You want to house one cycle two.

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Speaker 1: If you google A andtm's best photo, her iconic helmet

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Speaker 1: photoshoot where her hair is swept up and she's just

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Speaker 1: serving face still comes up to this day. She's definitely

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00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: one of the faces of A and TM. But you

629
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Speaker 1: may be surprised to know she didn't win any money

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Speaker 1: from the show.

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Speaker 5: It was just a contract, and then there was a

632
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 5: contract with Suppora and that was only for a short time.

633
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 5: There was no financial reward. There was nothing as far

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Speaker 5: as monetary compensation. Nothing you want.

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Speaker 1: This agency representation did meet. It was easier to book jobs,

636
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: but she couldn't use any of her top model portfolio

637
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Speaker 1: photos because they were too unrealistic, which meant that after

638
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Speaker 1: her win, she had to move to New York and

639
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: immediately start booking test photoshoots.

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00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: I had to test that day, go to some incredible

641
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Speaker 5: photographers that have been doing international vogues and start testing.

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00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: And I was getting builled for everything. I was getting

643
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 5: built for every car, for every pres event, I was

644
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 5: getting built for the testing. I was getting built for

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Speaker 5: the dresses that I thought were given to me, and

646
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 5: that was me not asking, thinking oh this is so cool.

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00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: They're making sure i'm dress. No, everything was builled. So

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00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: after a month of doing a press tour, you know,

649
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Speaker 5: having these interviews and having to look like a million dollars,

650
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 5: then comes the bills. So now I'm having to pay,

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00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: and I'm in debt, and I don't have a place

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Speaker 5: to stay. I'm living on a couch from a makeup

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Speaker 5: artist who extended their couch for me, and yet I'm

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Speaker 5: like famous, and everywhere I go people are wanting my autograph,

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Speaker 5: taking pictures with me. And it was a very stressful time.

656
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: And not only that, her win meant she had to

657
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: continue to promote A and TM after her season ended.

658
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 5: I also had to do a lot of continual press

659
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 5: for the show, and it was not paid, so that

660
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 5: would take precedence over any sort of jobs or castings

661
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: that would pay. Tyra owned me for that year. The

662
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 5: network owned me for that year. That's where the frustration came.

663
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 5: I started getting angry. I started kind of almost not

664
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 5: liking the show anymore. And it was really hard to

665
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: not get kind of in that headspace of being better

666
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 5: towards the show because I'm like, okay, you spit me

667
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 5: out as a winner. I won it rightfully so and

668
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: now I'm having to look and be a million bucks

669
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 5: but I'm not making any money right now.

670
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: On cycle three, the cycle after Yawana's Top Models started

671
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: awarding one hundred thousand dollars prize, Eva Marcel, who went

672
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: by Eva Pickford back then, was the first winner to

673
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: get it, but ANTM was not contractually obligated to give

674
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: any winner anything even if the prize was announced on

675
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: the show. As we heard last episode, Cycle one winner

676
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: Adrian Curry says she didn't get what she was old.

677
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: The contract was very clear that these prizes were given

678
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: at the producer's discretion and they didn't have to live

679
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: up to what was promised on the show. Here's another

680
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: thing in the contract. Producers could take a win from

681
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: a contestant award it to someone else, even if they

682
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: take the finale episode, crown the model the winner and

683
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: sent them home to wait for their prizes. There were

684
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: clauses that protected the producers if they decided to strip

685
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: the winner of their title and the contestant couldn't do

686
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: anything about it, which is exactly what happened to Angelie

687
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: Preston during the all star season of Top Model. Coming up,

688
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: you'll hear the disturbing truth about Angelie's revoked win.

689
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: When I won first, all was had. I was like,

690
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: hell yeah, I want yeah, yeah, my life has changed forever,

691
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: Like my mom was gonna be taking care of I'm

692
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: I'll take care of her. How she took care of me.

693
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: That's Angelie Preston talking about how she felt after winning

694
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: A and TM. I told you the story at the

695
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: top of this episode about how Angelie was originally given

696
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: the crown at the end of season seventeen. My team

697
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: has talked to contestants and crew who were there when

698
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: Angela was named the winner. Even the official winner, Lisa Demato,

699
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: remembers Angelie's face after Angelie won and they were heading home.

700
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 7: I remember in the airport, Angelie looked finally at peace,

701
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 7: like her chin was held so high.

702
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: She was so proud of herself.

703
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: But Angelie being the original winner is about the only

704
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: thing they agree on in this story. Here's what Angelie

705
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: says happened after she went home.

706
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: I got a phone call from somebody associated with the show,

707
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: maybe like a week or two later, and was like, hey,

708
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: have you been telling any of the girls about what

709
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: happened to you?

710
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: Here's what happened to Angelie, the thing that got her

711
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: disqualified after her first full season, cycle fourteen, Angelie was

712
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: trying to start her modeling career. She had trouble booking jobs.

713
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: She done well in the competition, but the edit made

714
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: her seem difficult to work with, like a loose cannon.

715
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: She couldn't get signed with an agency. She also had

716
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: trouble finding a regular job. Things got bleak and she

717
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: got desperate. One day, she was in Queen's walking with

718
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: a model friend she'd met in New York.

719
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: We were just walking out Jamaica ab the av just

720
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: two lost models, not knowing where to go, what to do,

721
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: and this guy pulls up. He pulled up in this

722
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: nice Mercedes and I was just looking real regular and

723
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: he got out the car, had nice shoes, silk shirt, like,

724
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: he looked like somebody and he was like, you know,

725
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: a cap trying to talk to me.

726
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: He got her number and they started talking, but Angelie

727
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: said something felt off. He started asking her about how

728
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: she made.

729
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: Money, because I was telling him, yeah, I got money problems,

730
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: like I'm a struggling model, and he like mentioned something

731
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: about like going on dates, and I was like, what

732
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: the fuck? This is like some models inc shit, Like

733
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: I heard about models, you know, being escorts or whatnot,

734
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: but I don't think this shit was real. So that

735
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: kind of turned me off.

736
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: She stopped talking to him for a while, even booked

737
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: a modeling job that paid her five hundred dollars, but

738
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: when that ran.

739
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: Out, curiosity just peaked and ended up texting him. I

740
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: was like, are you a pimp? And he was like,

741
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: are you a hope? I was like what No, I

742
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: was so offective and he was like, look, the girls

743
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: I have, they just make money. So I'm like, but

744
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: is there like sex involved? And he was like, no,

745
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: you don't have to sleep with anybody if you don't

746
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: want to. My dumb ass elite believe in it, Like,

747
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, a world where you go on dates

748
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: with guys and they just give you money because you're beautiful.

749
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: Angelie was twenty five at this point, but she told

750
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: me she was really naive. Buffalo was a small compared

751
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: to New York City, and she was about to become

752
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: a cautionary tale.

753
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: I ended up meeting two of his girls. They were

754
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: like in this like ritty Manhattan hotel. One of the

755
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: girls had a cute little dog, dad Louis bags.

756
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 8: Oh.

757
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: They were giving makeup, hair, Lubaton, shoes, roles, and I'm like, dang,

758
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: these girls ain't got to sleep with these guys to

759
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: get on this.

760
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: I could do that.

761
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: I could be pretty and go on dates and get

762
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: the bag.

763
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: She told Silk Shirt she was down.

764
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: We ended up flying to North Carolina and I had

765
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: nothing to tell anybody like what I was doing, you know,

766
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: because I was like, well, I'm just I'm just going

767
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: on a modeling trip, you know, because I don't want

768
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: nobody to worry, because at the time I wasn't worried myself.

769
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: And when I got there, the girls, the same two

770
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: girls I had met, They were like, they're going to

771
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: the strip club.

772
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 1: They were going there to pick up clients, and I.

773
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, I was like, I don't know what

774
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: was at the strip club, and so they looked at

775
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: me like I was crazy, Like I didn't have a choice.

776
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: The one girl was like, I don't know what you

777
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: think this is, but he is going to expect you

778
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: to work, and I'm like work and they were like yeah,

779
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, so y'all, y'all be having sex with

780
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: these people for money? What the fuck did I get

781
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: myself into? So I'm like, okay, well, I don't got

782
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: no money. I'm already here. I can't get signed, and

783
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: I gave up on modeling. I had given up on

784
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: my dream. I thought it was over for me with

785
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: the modeling, and I'm like, shit, I need money and

786
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm here why not? And I don't want to tell anybody. Look,

787
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: I done got in this situation because it was embarrassing

788
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: and I didn't want people to be worried, and I

789
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: didn't want people to be like, I'll pay for you

790
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: to get home, because I'm like, well, I'm gonna go

791
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: back to New York. And then I got nothing. I'm

792
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: back to square one anyway, so I might as well

793
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: try and make some money.

794
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: Angelie was so lost and dejected she didn't even think

795
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: about the danger she was in.

796
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: Not even just putting my body on the line, but

797
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: just meeting up with strangers, you know, no protection, Like

798
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: I could have been killed.

799
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: The fear only started kicking in when they went to

800
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: Vegas and she was worried about getting arrested.

801
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: I didn't of course, want people to know. I didn't

802
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: want to go to jail. You know this girls on

803
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: Top Model and out looking around here doing this crazy shit.

804
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: Right, She told Silk Shirt she wanted out.

805
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: He said, I'm gonna pay for your flight to go

806
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 2: back to New York, but you have to work.

807
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: Angelie didn't have the money to leave on her own. Plus,

808
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: she was scared because he'd threatened her and he'd been

809
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: physically abusive before. Two of her friends eventually found out

810
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: what was happening to her. One of those friends lived

811
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Angelie had actually met her on Top Model

812
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: she won Angelie season. That friend got Angelie to call

813
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: her sister and tell her what was going on. Her

814
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: sister thought she was on drugs. Angelie was still too

815
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: afraid to tell her best friend.

816
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: He kept me away from New York because there were

817
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: people like my best friend that cared about me, and

818
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: he didn't want me to go and have some sense

819
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: being knocked into my head.

820
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: The guy eventually took Angelie to New York, but to work.

821
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: Angelie says it had been a month since she left

822
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: New York to go to North Carolina. Her top model

823
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: friend says it was longer when Angelie got back to

824
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: New York. She finally called that best friend she was

825
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: too afraid to tell.

826
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: I was out in the hotel on Long Island and

827
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: she was like, just meet me at Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn.

828
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: I just want to know you are okay. I said, okay, cool,

829
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: I said, I got my bag here at all. She said,

830
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: just Lee get back, just to get back. I'll take

831
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: it over, get it. So I took the long railroad

832
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: went to go meet her and she said, bitch like.

833
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 2: I gave her the longest hug and she's like, bitch,

834
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: you ain't going back.

835
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: And that's how Angeline got out, through the kindness of

836
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: a friend who wouldn't take no for an answer. The

837
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: whole ordeal was short, but she learned a lifetime of lessons.

838
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: A few months later, she got that call from A

839
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: and TM All Stars. It was the lifeline sheet needed

840
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: months before Angeline signed on to do the season, but

841
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: she was worried the producers would find out about that

842
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: chapter in her life. That fear was confirmed when she

843
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: met up with casting director Michelle Mack.

844
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: Ended up having to go to la to meet with Michelle.

845
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: So when I met with her, it was filmed there

846
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: was a camera there and she's like, so, what have

847
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: you been up to. I was like, oh, you know, nothing,

848
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: just modeling, and she was like, that's it.

849
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: In my life.

850
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, she knows something. She knows something, and

851
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's it. And she asked me, she

852
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: flat out asked me, was I being penned?

853
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Angelie lied told her no because she thought if she

854
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: told the truth, they wouldn't let her back on the show.

855
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: But her mind started racing to figure out who snitched. Remember,

856
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: I said two of her friends knew about the situation

857
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: when she went to Vegas. Well, the one who'd been

858
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: an A and TM contestant with Angelie said she reached

859
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: out to top model producers, crew members, Tyra's assistant, and

860
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: Tyra herself to try to get Angelie out of that situation.

861
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: The friend said she didn't get much of a response.

862
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: So this was Angelie's first time hearing that anyone from

863
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: the show other than her friend knew anything about what

864
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: she'd been through. She thought for sure she was going home,

865
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: so she said, in her hotel, waiting for a plane

866
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: ticket back to New York.

867
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 2: Before we went in the house, we were in the hotel.

868
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: Michelle came by with someone else and was like, I

869
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: just want to tell you I know what happened. I

870
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: just want you to take this opportunity and run with it.

871
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: She gave me a hug and I was like, okay,

872
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Speaker 2: this is our little secret.

873
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: Angelie believes she genuinely wanted to keep it between them

874
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: so she could have another chance, and it almost worked.

875
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: Angelie won. Then the whole thing blew up.

876
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: A week or two later, somebody from the network production

877
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: called me. I was like, you know, they want to

878
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: have a meeting with you in New York City because

879
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: at this time I was back in Buffalo with my family.

880
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: They want to have a meeting with you to discuss

881
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: sponsorships because you are the winner.

882
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: I said, okay.

883
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: When I got down there, Amanda or our Inte Hotel,

884
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: I'll never forget Columbus Circle. I'll walk up in that room.

885
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: The attorney was there from CBS, Laura Feuse was there,

886
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: Michelle Mock was there, Doctor Zachary was there.

887
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: That's the show psychologist.

888
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: Can Mock wasn't there, but they put his ass on

889
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: the phone and they basically told me we can't air

890
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: you as the winner.

891
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: Angelie says the execs told her being trafficked violated the

892
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: morality clause. Of course, they didn't use the word trafficked,

893
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm calling it, and her violating that

894
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: part of the contract meant she wouldn't be getting the

895
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars or any of the other prizes.

896
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: We don't know how the other execs found out about

897
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: what happened to Angelie, but if her top model friend

898
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: called people who worked on the show to get Angelie

899
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Speaker 1: some help, then there were several people who potentially knew

900
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: about her situation. Angelie thinks it was another friend she

901
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: confided in off show. The guy was a photographer and

902
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: knew some of the top model girls. Angelie thinks he

903
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: blabbed them. One of them ended up on All Stars,

904
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Speaker 1: and Angelie says when she got eliminated before Angelie, she

905
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: complained that she couldn't believe top model was going to

906
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: quote let a prostitute win. That's Angelie's theory, and we

907
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: can't confirm that that was the real reason. We just

908
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: know the cat was out of the bag. After they

909
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: gave Angelie the bad news, producers flew Lisa Demado and

910
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: Alison Harvard in to TAPA new finale with Lisa as

911
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: the winner. Lisa says when they flew into La she

912
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Speaker 1: and Alison had a talk with Ken Mock before the reshoot.

913
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Speaker 1: She says he separated them and asked them what projects

914
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: they were working on and what they would do if

915
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: they won the show. Then, she says, he had a

916
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: conversation with them both.

917
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 10: He goes, don't you fucking say a word about this reshoot?

918
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 10: And he put his finger in our faces, me and

919
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 10: a El and we're standing right next to each other

920
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 10: in the hallway and he goes, both of you, don't

921
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 10: say a fucking word, do you hear me? Like threatened us.

922
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 10: Then we got driven to the studio in the valley

923
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 10: and it was the same set that they were shooting

924
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 10: Cycle eighteen.

925
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: Lisa says, the next season was already in production and

926
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Speaker 1: they used that set to tape the new finale. The

927
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: whole thing was done in a day, and Lisa was

928
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: the new and official winner of Cycle seventeen. In a way,

929
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: both Angelie and Lisa fell victim to the A and

930
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: TM curse because even though Lisa was given the title,

931
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: she didn't enjoy her win. It had a dark cloud

932
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: over it. When the finale of Cycle seventeen finally aired,

933
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: Angelie's win had already leaked and Angelie wasn't there for

934
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: the reshoot, so the judges had to address Angelie's absence.

935
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Speaker 6: Well, we're back in Los Angeles on the Top Model set,

936
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 6: and we're here for a special finale that's been conducted

937
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 6: under unusual circumstances.

938
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out that after shooting was wrapped, a

939
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: production team and the network learned information from Angelie that

940
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 3: disqualifies it from the competition.

941
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: So what does that mean, Well, it means.

942
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: We're now going to do our final judging with the

943
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: remaining two girls, and in the interest of fairness, that

944
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: producers and the network thought it best to evaluate Alison

945
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: and Lisa on their own without the added competition of Angelie.

946
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 4: You know, guys, we wish Angelie the best in all

947
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: her future endeavors.

948
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely absolutely so. Were ready to proceed with our

949
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: final judging?

950
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 9: Yes, let's do this.

951
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 5: Are you ready?

952
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: Yes?

953
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 2: All right?

954
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: That statement overshadowed Lisa's victory. Fans were angry because Angelie

955
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: was a fan favorite and Lisa was not.

956
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 11: I got so much backlash after winning all stars.

957
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

958
00:52:53,320 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 14: Everyone thought that I paid somebody off, that I blackmailed somebody,

959
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 14: that I just stole her, when that it was undeserving.

960
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: It's like, you don't know my story.

961
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 10: Nobody knew my story, nobody knew what I.

962
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 7: Had gone through my whole life leading up to that point.

963
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 7: It was so devastating to get the backlash again when

964
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 7: I went on that show to redeem myself, and the

965
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 7: way that they also weaponized this whole finale that also

966
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 7: really hurt me as well.

967
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: Lisa was the villain all over again. I think that's

968
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: why she clings to this story that she was always

969
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: going to be the winner. Whether it's true or not,

970
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: it eases the sting of her win being Angelie's misfortune.

971
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: Lisa may have gotten the America's Next Top Model title

972
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: and one hundred thousand dollars, but she never got to

973
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: redeem her image. She still gets hate mail to this day.

974
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: Angelie was devastated for a long time. She tried to

975
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: sue A and TM for three million dollars, but eventually

976
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: dropped the suit when she realized the contract she signed

977
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: was ironclad. She didn't have a leg to stand on.

978
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: She thought signing that contract was going to make her

979
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: dreams come true, but it ended up being her nightmare.

980
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: Angelie eventually gave up on modeling. She was getting older

981
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: and the damage was done, but she found a new dream.

982
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: She went to college got a bachelor's degree in journalism.

983
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: She's the first person in her family to finish college.

984
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: After graduation, she got a job as a host and

985
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: reporter at her local public radio station. Today she's a

986
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: working journalist and a mom in her hometown, the seven

987
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: one six, Buffalo, New York. I don't think Angelie, Lisa,

988
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: or any of the other models I spoke with thought

989
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: their A and TM journeys would end up like this.

990
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: When they sent in those audition tapes and signed the contracts,

991
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: they thought they were getting a head start in the

992
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: fashion industry. They certainly didn't think they would be talking

993
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: to me twenty years later about how the show still

994
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: haunts them. As this podcast continues, you're going to hear

995
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: more from the models if they tell you about the

996
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: experiences that have stuck with them. These contestants weren't just

997
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: tyrist props. They were real people, real people whose NDAs

998
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: have finally expired, and they want to tell their side

999
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: of the story. On the next episode, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into one of the most disturbing parts of A

1001
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: andtm's casting process. I'm talking about the psychiatric evaluations. Psyche

1002
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: Vowls are standard in reality TV. They're used to make

1003
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Speaker 1: sure a potential cast member is mentally capable of handling

1004
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: the stress of being on reality TV. But what I've

1005
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: been told about ANTM psyche vows raises serious ethical questions.

1006
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: Contestants told me about deep personal trauma they shared that

1007
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: was later used by producers to manipulate them. I've also

1008
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: heard about possible bias that kept certain contestants out and

1009
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: let others slip through the cracks, some of whom met

1010
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: tragic ends after the time on A and TM. Thanks

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