WEBVTT - Cheerstrology 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:08.399 It's three am in Antelope, Oregon, and you're listening to Nightcall. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.400 Hi guys, I'm Tess Lynch in l A and with 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.799 me are Molly Lambert and Emily Oshida in New York. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.120 Give us a call at two four oh four six 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.479 night or email us at Night Call podcast at gmail 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.720 dot com with your burning questions, thoughts, ghost stories, conspiracy theories, 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.000 anything you want to talk about. This week, we are 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.080 going to pick up talking about Wild Wild Country because 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.360 we've all almost finished it or finished it and it's 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.199 too good for just one episode. So, Molly, you finished 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:52.320 the doc when I finished it? She finished it, she wins. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.560 There's like five more twists at the end that yeah, 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.960 I was saying, as the doc is kind of slow paced, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:00.520 and then at the end there's like a bunch of 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.160 stuff where I'm like, hey, wait, I would like to 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.880 know more about that. Part really breezed past that. There's 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.720 so much um Wild Wild Country content out there right now, 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.720 and it's totally killing me because I don't want to 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.880 read any of it until I'm finished. Like, but I mean, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.080 I've seen these headlines on Vulture, the site that I 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.280 work at, just like, uh, you know the directors of 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.720 Wild Wild Country still aren't sure who's right, and so 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.000 at least I know that that's like still going to 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.520 remain the same where I'm just I have no idea 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.279 how to even begin to think about who I agree 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.080 with you. We were talking about that because I was 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.399 thinking it was really funny in the first episode we 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.160 did about this. We were all like, seems great, guys, 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.360 I don't know what we'll absily go wrong with this. Yeah, 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.160 we knew there was like a twist. Well I had 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.320 seen I had seen where they start poisoning people and 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.560 drugging the homeless people, which is just you know, a plus, 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.480 you know you're on a great path when you're tranquilizing 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.480 homeless people. That that's was just saying, that's when that's 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.520 when you turn. I was also saying that initially we 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.840 had kind of we we were like, Okay, these people 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.240 in Oregon are being pretty racist and pinning a lot 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.560 of you know, their reception to these people as being 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.480 from racism. I mean, I think I assumed that the 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.880 fact that they saw a lot of white hipsters following 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.720 an Indian guru, and they were kind of like, Okay, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.600 this seems threatening. This seems strange, so I automatically was 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.680 not on their side. Yeah, I mean I think both 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.400 things are true. I think the white people in Oregon 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.080 are racist. And also the cult is evil. I mean, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.720 the cult is so evil. Well what you realize is 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.400 like it's maybe it's maybe just Sheila that's evil. Well, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.560 and I think that there is sort of kind of 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.680 the argument of what any of this happened if the 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:52.120 community had been more welcomed, more welcoming to them when 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.080 they showed up. But also, and one thing that I 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.359 think that the doc, as far as I've gotten through 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.000 it has alighted. And this goes to my my second 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.360 secondhand encounter with oshow this past weekend, um is I 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.280 think that the doc is really kind of glossed over 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:14.600 how prominent the sex aspect of the bag one following 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.400 whatever Ragnisism which dies in a certain episode, the one 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.240 I just watched they kill ra Genisism. But but still 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.559 it was like a really big part of it, um 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.959 that they kind of mentioned at the beginning, like, oh, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.040 it was the sex guru, but that was a really 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.520 big part of it. And the woman go ahead, I 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.840 because I was already reading about cults a lot before 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.040 this came out, Um, just because we all are interested 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.440 in cults and talk about them a lot. Um. There's 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.640 like a history of cults in America that are like 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.200 Eastern religion themed but then are like about sex. So 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.040 I was reading about there was like a cult in 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.080 Upstate New York and maybe like turn of the century, 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.800 I want to say that was the first cult that 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:02.160 like brought the idea of NTRA over to America and 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.440 associated it with sex, which it was not in India. 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.200 It was like its own thing, but they like kind 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:14.960 of rebranded it as like sex crest Western like must 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.360 go after all things horny. Yeah, and the sort of 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.280 orientalism of like the mystical East or everybody knows how 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.920 to bone different way. Um, but it was it sort 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.600 of began this tradition of people having these sort of 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.039 free love cults that are sort of Eastern religion themed 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.120 but really have nothing to do with Eastern religion. They 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.640 just starre those are the trappings style. Yeah, It's like 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.560 it's just the same way that I think the townspeople 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:47.080 on Antelope saw this non traditional community where you know, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.960 marriage wasn't necessarily a part of how communities were built. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.960 And it was more communal being very repetitive here, but 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:59.360 that you know, that threat to the nuclear family always 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.120 then become anxiety about sex. But like the inverse is 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:07.800 true too, where you you can, you know, wanna I 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.680 want to have something that doesn't necessarily resemble a nuclear families, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:15.960 some sort of like utopian post patriarchal um situation. But 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.960 then it always comes back to sex. Also, I don't know. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.200 I mean, the documentary did have some some pretty great 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.480 sex footage. Um. I also thought it was super interesting 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:30.040 like that even that spread out with that much land, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.640 that people are very nimbyish about the sounds of the 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:39.240 great sex. I mean, really it must make And it 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.440 was kind of blamed on the lack of trees. It 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.320 was like it's just echoing over the planes. I was like, okay, 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.880 well this calm fine, um. But yeah, I also was 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.960 reading on Wikipedia. I mean, some of the the bog 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:55.359 Ones beliefs were a little more troubling than I at 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.080 least heard in the documentary. As far as I got, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.400 I just finished the fourth episode. But he first he 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.960 had kind of like an end of Days thing going 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.080 where he he thought that everything was going to end 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.680 in the nineties. Um, and then he also he kind 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.760 of espoused like a form Molly was saying, like, it's 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.680 kind of eugenic, see where um, it's built off of 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.360 what I agree with of like if you're you know, 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.679 terminally ill and you want to end your life, fine, 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.880 But then he kind of extended that to the idea 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.880 that if you're unhappy with your body or someone else's, 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.919 if you're not beautiful, like maybe get rid of you. 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.240 And I was like, oh, I it's it's it's eugenics. 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:39.040 It's eugenics. And he's like his explanation is like, well, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.560 like if we don't take control of eugenics, like the 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.800 Nazis are going to anyway, so like we better do 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.960 like it, which is not a thing. But I do 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.680 feel like that's how a lot of like tech people 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:56.039 probably think, oh totally yeah, yeah, eugenics has me to 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.680 come back. I was just thinking about it. I was like, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.880 the main difference between like girls and hoodies and like 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.479 call is that we talk about like Nazis a lot more. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:08.800 You're finding you know, it's all connected. Uh. I was 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.440 reading about the Nike guy some more to try and 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.880 find out more about that swosh, which I did. It 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.080 is a a alternate swosh that's not used as much, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.080 called a pinwheel swish. And what you can't really see 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.760 in that photo is that they're like lighter. It's like 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:29.080 two swooshes to swishtika is like over each other. So 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.760 that's actually like an eight pointed thing. Then burst with 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.640 the sunbursts with swooshes. But the way that it looks 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.520 when it's printed, it's like someone it looks like a 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.920 swastica um. But I couldn't find anything damning about Bill Bowerman, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.920 the Nike guy. He seems like maybe he was fine, 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:53.440 maybe he was like a xenophobic guy, but sneakers, yeah. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.480 But the Adidas and Puma guys were for sure in 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.480 the s s UM and I learned a lot about them. 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:05.000 Their name the Dossler brothers Audi and something. Dossler. Audi 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.320 is short for Adolf and his name is Adolf Dussler, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.080 and Adidas is his nickname Addi Audi das Um. But 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.480 they were Nazis, but they also uh decided that they 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.600 would get Jesse Owens to wear their shoes in the Olympics. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.480 So they were Nazis but also capitalists who were like, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.640 we're going to get an endorsement from this guy. Whatever 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:33.079 works that is gonna win. Um and he did. Obviously, 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.520 he won four gold medals in their shoes. So then 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.520 after World War Two and all the other Germans were broke, 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.840 they made a lot of money by marketing the shoes 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.520 that Jesse Owens won four gold medals in. Uh so 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:50.760 they were like sell out Nazis. Um anyway, streetwear, I 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.520 heard a lot about the origins of many streetwear brands. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.560 Um well, I I I alluded to this earlier, but 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.760 I did meet somebody who had um met the bog 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.720 one and I haven't heard this story. I'm so excited 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.560 Molly mentioned it. Yeah, I mean it was. It was 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.920 maddening because I spent the weekend in the Hampton's which 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.320 sounds fancier than it was. I just like stayed in 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.040 a room in a lady's house in the Hamptons, which 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.720 was actually quite nice. But um, you know, she was 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.800 like obviously kind of like an age hippie. She had 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.480 like some Buddhas in the room and some crystals and stuff. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.240 It was very chill um and like totally in the 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.920 previous generation way of having Buddhas and crystals in your room. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.640 Not the millennial way, like I was actually quite the 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.720 last stark minimalism. No, no, it was definitely not a minimalist. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.320 There was a lot of stuff, so we I mean, 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.319 she was very sweet, but then she gave me a 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.559 ride back to the train and we were just talking 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.679 to she. She knew that I was that I wrote 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.440 about movies, and then we were talking about TV and 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.040 how she had been ending a show on Netflix and 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.079 I was like, oh, the one I'm working on is 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.719 a wildlick country and she didn't know about it, and 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.920 I started to describe it for her. She's like, before 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.920 I could even finish, she was like, I met him. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.440 I met him in the seventies in India. Um. And 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.720 she said she said that, And this was like thirty 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.600 seconds before she dropped me off. Otherwise I would have 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:16.000 just like hampered her with questions um. But she said 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.200 that she would have been immediately put off by the 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.760 sex cult stuff. Um. Which is interesting because you don't 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.800 meet those people in the dock. You don't. You don't 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.080 meet the people who met him, and we're like, not 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.280 for me. You meet the people who immediately were enchanted 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.680 by his eyes and felt like they had to start 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.000 crying and kissing his feet and whatever. So you know, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.520 there's probably plenty of people who were like, yeah, this 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.200 doesn't feel like my guru. Not my guru, Like the 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.040 idea of somebody who's like down enough to be like, well, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.760 I'm looking for someone and then be like no, this person, yeah, yeah, 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:52.880 I mean the fact that she was in I think 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.200 she was in Bombay, yeah, in the seventies, and you know, 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:58.880 likely with a group of people who are like, hey, 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.440 we're gonna go see this guy. We we've been hearing 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.920 about well without spoiling anything, uh taus. And I was saying, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.960 there's one Oregonian guy that is really likable. Yeah, I 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.599 know you're talking about the Yeah, yeah, Overall's guy is 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:15.000 really cool and smart and at the end he kind 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.520 of like sums everything up and he's like, you know, like, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.040 do I think he's a con man? Like, yeah, I 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:21.880 think it was a con the whole time. And he's like, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.280 but I think, like it was the seventies, there were 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.480 all these Europeans like flocking to India looking for like 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.360 answers and guidance and like wanting to believe in something, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:38.200 and this guy took advantage of that. But like these 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.040 people wanted to be taken advantage of, you know, and 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.360 he also provided I mean, if you're Westerner who's looking 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:49.160 for enlightenment in some kind of figure like him, the 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.160 guy who's like, hey, you can totally drink champagne and 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:58.360 be a capitalist and everything, and also being with none 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.480 of the like asceticism, which is like, you know, none 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.840 none of the like you don't have to give up anything. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.319 You just get to like indulge in everything even more so, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.719 and everything good will happen to you. I would have 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.920 fallen for it so many steps along the way. I 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.640 think that the first thing that really impressed me was 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.000 the fact that this cult was able to build such 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.720 a nice house for Sheila and what seemed like no 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.000 time that they were were texting and was like, how 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.559 did they build an airport? Yes, I mean it's impressive. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.079 And when you start to think that there I mean 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.800 according to Sheila, which obviously this has kind of proven 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.520 wrong because Bogwan was taking valium and nitrous oxide later on. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:42.080 But if it was a cult where you know, drinking 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.440 and drugs had been kind of replaced by sex and 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.280 and spirituality, I was kind of like, wow, it made 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.280 them so industrious. I mean, they just made this really 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:58.840 all these mid century great and the farming aspect was great. Um, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.079 but yeah, I think you know, it's really for me, 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.400 it was really astounding when they when they bust in 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.160 a bunch of homeless people to sweep. That's when Also, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:09.720 that's the thing. It's like, you don't feel bad for 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.760 the people in the cult necessarily because they are willingly 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.200 buying into being exploited. It's like the people who go 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.520 to the Haunted House. Really, I think many I want 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.480 willingly bought into the lie they were being sold that 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.360 this religion was open to everyone, that America had turned 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.840 its back on the homeless people who were veterans. I mean, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.320 I was kind of like, I wonder if I would 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.440 have smelled a rat at that well, because you're like, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.680 you just want to take care of people who really 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.480 need it. Yeah, that would have felt like putting your 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.000 money where your mouth is. Really like, Okay, if we 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.360 really believe like this is a philosophy for everybody, then 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.200 we should be opening our doors to everybody. But yeah, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.360 obvious way it was. It was much more disturbing to 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.440 me than the bio terrorism. But that's probably because the 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.319 results of the bioterrorism was not as intended. They were 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.000 also doing bioterrorism on the homeless people. That what that? 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:03.120 What that the of the variety of bioterrorism I thought 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.080 was I was as sounded. I mean, I find this 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.679 a very difficult thing to binge because it's well, not 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.679 only because it's slow, but because it does kind of 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.640 load it emotionally and it's very even handed. I think 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.280 that that's the most frequent you know, praise and criticism 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.320 is that it's so even handed. The first episode, he's 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.680 really just devoted to winning you over to the cult 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.960 a bit before, kind of like a very charming sociopath 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.520 that we were talking about a little bit um the 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.200 lawyer guy I'm like not a fan of, but he's 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.320 also like such a type. I realized halfway through that 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.960 he looks like Bob we're from. Yeah, he feels like 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.320 somebody that you now. He feels like a friend of 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.520 your parents or something such like as like friends and 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.440 friends of my my mom, Like that's also my parents. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.360 I was like, did you know anyone who joined? And 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:57.120 they were like, well, not that one. Yeah. It also 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.880 just seemed like people in the eighties really like longing 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.640 for the seventies. You know, a lot of it seemed 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.520 to be a response change like in the bubble who yeah, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.720 like you know what, I don't. But at the same time, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.280 it's so eighties because it's so capitalist. But couldn't you 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.360 see I mean in terms of these people reminding you 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.560 of parents friends, couldn't you see them at the dinner 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.960 table kind of talking about like the things they miss, 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.480 like even just the flowy robes. It's also it's like 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.360 the change you can see between like the oh's of 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.640 maybe our generation being you know, into I don't know, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.160 you can you can fill in your own blanks here, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:37.120 but like for example, like scummy rooftop parties and like 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:42.040 people doing circuit bending on the roof or whatever, circuit 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:46.600 bending filling your join the circuit bending called you know what, 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.240 I think you have an idea but then like but 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.080 then but then it getting as you get older, is 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.760 as you move on to your thirties and forties or whatever, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.000 then you find the more comforting like don't need to 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.440 challenge capitalism and uh and the social structure that much 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.360 version of that, like you find the kind of comfort version. 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.760 I think that split is super interesting obviously that thing 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.200 of like the people who at the end of the 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.280 seventies were like, okay, back to capitalism, like back to 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.760 like regular stuff, because like that didn't work, so like 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.320 reboot and you know, a lot of hippies did become 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.840 like yuppie sellouts. A lot of them made money in 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:29.560 tech especially, and then there's that sort of that technocratic capitalism. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.680 It's like there's a lot of like Steve jobsiness to 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.080 the Rashny sheets to like, you know, do what you 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:41.760 feel and also buy a lot of diamonds. Oh man, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.960 when they get when the Hollywood crowd gives him the role. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.600 I was just talking about that because the Hollywood crowd. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:52.760 So Tazia is that her name has? I think she 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.760 um because I looked her up there At one point 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.440 they were like she produced the other Yeah. I was like, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.560 look into that. Yeah, and it was because she was 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.520 married to Albert Ready, who produced The Godfather. Yeah. They 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.080 show them at like the oscars and stuff. Yeah, I 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.879 was yeah, And that is obviously. That's the thing is 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:11.479 You're like, I would love to see a map of 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.399 like all the other cults that were going on at 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.080 the same time, because like when did the source family end, right. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.520 You know a lot of these things like petered out 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.200 over a long period of time. Uh, some of them 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.960 more quickly than others. There's like the Timothy Leary cult 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.640 that he started that you know a lot of people 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.040 like bought farm land and we're like, let's try some stuff. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.159 And then in that one, I think somebody took too 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.399 much acid and died in a lake and then everybody left. 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.440 Because that's the thing is, you're like, there is a 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.439 little bit of like when where did the limitations and 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.000 boundaries come in? You know, who has to be the 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.639 grown up in these situations. It's like making sure people 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.000 don't drown with The fascinating part of of of this 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.720 cult in particular is just like, uh, that is not 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.639 like negligence or everybody just being so loosey goosey that 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.600 somebody just falls in a lake and downed. It's like, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.359 oh no, they were actually like they had a deep state. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.600 It was a tight ship. I mean, that's you have 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.720 to hand it to them. But that's of course, as 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.040 soon as they start really as soon as they started 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.120 accumulating the guns, well that's what I was gonna say. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.200 It's like, how do you stop the cult from turning 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.600 into a militia. Can you even ever stop that or 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.399 does it always just turn into a militia? Well, hey, 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:27.359 let's take a night call. Goodest time is any Hey there, um, 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.600 this is Max calling in. First of all, I just 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.199 want to say thank you for the podcast. I am 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:39.160 an insomniac, so appropriately enough, um. And it's often one 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.760 or two in the morning when I'm listening, and I 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:46.160 do deal with loneliness and depression, so it's nice during 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:50.480 those long, lonely nights to have a sympathetic voice to 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.760 listen to. Um. But anyway, actually kind of on that subject, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.280 because of all the negativity going on in the world 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:05.480 these days, I start of asking you all to say 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:10.080 what you like about each other the most. So Molly 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.680 talked to tell Tess and Emily what you like about them, 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.080 and Emily and Tests you are the same thing, and 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.040 you know, be real here be be I mean, I 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.120 know you guys are real, but like this this might 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:28.000 get intense, like make each other blush. And also which 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.479 one of you is the ID, which one is the 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.399 ego and which is the super ego. You guys are great. 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.320 Thank you very much for contributing to my insomnia, but 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:45.120 also to my happiness and peace and love, peace and love. Um, 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.960 I feel like Max wants us to just have a 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:56.240 like group therapy session as a podcast. UM. I mean 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.720 we're like eleven episodes in. Now it's time, it is 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.280 time we got to do a check in, got to 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.879 do an emotional check in. Um. Also, it makes me 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.400 happy that that people are actually listening to any time 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.160 anybody calls in and As says that they actually listened 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.639 to it at night. It's it's very heartwarming to me 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:20.440 for some reason. Thank you using as intended. UM. So, 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:25.639 who's the ID? You guys do we go around? I 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.840 feel like I have mine pretty clearly, but I'm wondering 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.080 if everybody is going to be different just because Okay, 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:32.720 you do yours because you have it. I know I 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:37.800 want to know. Okay, Um, Molly is the ID, I'm 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.480 the ego and Test is a super ego. Wow, that's 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:46.879 what I thought. Yeah, You're that's the only one I 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.760 feel really strongly about. But I thought, Emily, I think 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.080 maybe you're the ID. WHOA I thought maybe I thought 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.240 you were the I can't be the IT. I started 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.320 like just the nature of this podcast in our in 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.359 our original life is girls and hoodies. Me being the 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.000 editor between you two, I can never be the end 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:05.960 of this podcast. I'm always going to be either the 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.399 ego or super ego. It's just impossible. I was struggling 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.640 with Emily which of us was the ego and which 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.600 is the super ego? And I was like, I think 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.760 it's whoever has more guilt, I think, and so I 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.480 was like, I think it's me. I wanted to I 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.720 know this isn't exactly the question, but I really want 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.080 to force this on you. Um which is cheers strology, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.080 which I know believe is real. Oh tell me. I 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:30.720 was like tweeting I like, because I'm watching a lot 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:32.280 of Cheers, And I was like, guys like, wait, have 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.160 you like you've been watching a lot of Cheers Molly, 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.439 I haven't, hadd you know I have understood. Actually, actually 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:42.320 I finished the whole show, watched all eleven seasons. Wow, congratulation, 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.040 thanks really making good use of my life. Yeah, but 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:48.960 I was like, I'm a I'm a Carla with a 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.439 Lilith rising, like as a joke. And then somebody like 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.560 wrote me a message and was like I've been listening 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:56.800 to you for like a long time and like you're 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.920 actually like, here's what I think you are and why 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:04.040 and you're rising though. They were like your Rebecca because 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.679 like your cynical and you have like a deep voice, 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.080 and you have a Diane Rising because you like use 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.879 big words a lot, and I can see that. And 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:14.720