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Speaker 1: From House top works dot Com. Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Molly. Molly. The very

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Speaker 1: first business cards that I ever possessed at this big milestone.

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Speaker 1: At your first buses's part of the huge milestone. I

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Speaker 1: love seeing my name in print. The very first business

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Speaker 1: for one glorious magical summer was the news editor. And

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Speaker 1: kind of stories you covered? Sod there. There was definitely

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Speaker 1: Uh and it was in Athens. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: A and in Athens. The college paper there competed pretty

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Speaker 1: well that's the gender breakdown of your newsroom. I would

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Speaker 1: But I do remember one of my one of my

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Speaker 1: start out Molly with stunt reporters and sob sisters. This

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Speaker 1: if you want to cover the style that we're not

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Speaker 1: be put in. Yeah, and I think that um, I

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Speaker 1: see what has happened. So that's part one. We talked

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Speaker 1: if you want to watch Anchorman in between now and

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Speaker 1: Be great, Or if you want to just catch a

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Speaker 1: the meantime, shall we do some listener mail. Let's do

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Speaker 1: some listener mail. I have one here from Christine and

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Speaker 1: it has some James Bond recommendations. Christian, because I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you remember on the Female Spy podcast that

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Speaker 1: came out that I've never seen James Bonding, not a

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Speaker 1: Her top five Bond films are number one Golden I

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Speaker 1: have you seen that one, Christy? I think so. Yes.

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Speaker 1: I have number two gold Finger, Yes, number three the

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Speaker 1: Spy who loved Me for Casino Royale. Maybe I have

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Speaker 1: a Living Daylights. Okay, So those are recommendations you guys,

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Speaker 1: from Sarah and she says, Molly, don't waste a minute

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Speaker 1: watching any of the James Bond's films because life is

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Speaker 1: too short. The books were lame, did oh the movies,

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Speaker 1: And while they can they may be lame in a camp,

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Speaker 1: a feminist mother for and just to let you know,

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Speaker 1: I love your chemistry, your topics in your podcast. Keep

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Speaker 1: like in this, James Bond. So now I'm torn. What

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Speaker 1: do I do? Um, you are a woman, and you

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Speaker 1: choose your choice, girl. True. All right, Well, guys, if

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