1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Which is anonymous, with the Laria Baldwin and Michelle Campbell 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Mason and I Heart Radio podcast Hey, which is Welcome 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: back to which is anonymous. This week we have a 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: very special guest we'd like to welcome Ramona Singer. I 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: was so excited to be on with you, Hilaria Michelle. 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: I think your podcast a huge success, so thanks for 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: having me. All right, So, Ramona, I met you. I 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, but I met you in 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: the Upper east Side and I was with two of 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: my dear friends and two cute boys who later on 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: I officiated their weddings. This is like, these are some 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: of my best best friends, and they recognized you because 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: they're like huge, huge fans. You came over. We have 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: a picture together, and I was actually trying to find 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: that picture that we took, and you were so nice 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: and so warm and so welcoming, and I was so 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: intimidated because I was twenty eight years old and I 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: had just sort of stepped into this world that you 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: were in, that my husband was in, and you gave 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: me your phone number and I never hit the ball 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: back because I was so intimidated by you. And over 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: the years, you know, we've run into each other a 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: few times. And you know that when I started this project, 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: you were the first person that I thought of because 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, she was always there 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: to support me, and so I used the phone number. 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: And now and now here we are. So all of 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: the things that intimidated me about you have led me 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: to to let us to want to have you here 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: to inspire all of us and talk about women and 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: our relationships with each other. Well, you know, anybody who 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: knows me knows that my girlfriends for the most important 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: thing in the world. Yes, you all want to find 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: love in marriage, but women, men are talkers, you know. 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: Men are just kind of going to the mail caves 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: in men case, women you can talk to like, you know, 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: I just had this fight and we'll just if you 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: rationalize with them. They teach you things and bounce off them. 39 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: And and we we loved to chit chat. And you know, 40 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: let's just say, you know, you're at a bad spot 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: in your life with with your marriage like I did. 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: My girlfriend's made me survived. I mean I didn't have 43 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: a relationship for two years later. Without my girlfriend's I 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: would have died. Literally, I would like gone into bed 45 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: and cried my whole life. And I taught my daughter 46 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: the same thing. And I really think, now you're refreshing me. 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: And why I realized girlfriends are important because I was 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: literally I just graduated from college at y T. I 49 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: finally became a buyer for Macy's, and um, I had 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: this great boyfriend, and you know, he took me all 51 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: around the world. Whose my age. It was very worldly 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: and affluent. We let this great lifestyle and I was 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: basically living with him. I kept my own place. So 54 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: we broke up for whatever reasons. So when I broke 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: up with him, I went back to my apartment and 56 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: Hilaria as socialized like him. I had no one to 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: call on the phone, no one to call, no one. 58 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: I had no girlfriend in my life, no gay end 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: in my life, no uh girlfriend, nobody, married people, no one. 60 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: And I said, I'm never going to let this happen 61 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: to me again. So my ex husband, he even knewhen 62 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: I was married, like about with my girlfriends. So going 63 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: out with the Selache Knight, I'm going out with Kathleen 64 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: because okay, have fun, have fun, do it. He allowed 65 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: me to be me. Girlfriends empower you, They embrace you. 66 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: They build you, they give you confidence, and they're like 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: like they're like water, They're necessary, like water isn't food. 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: In my opinion, I agree with you and Michelle. You 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: have been with me through so many difficult things and 70 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: and again it's one of the reasons that we started 71 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: this this podcast is that we just were like, we 72 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: need to have a coven where we all come and 73 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: we share a lot of advice, and we share tears, 74 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: and we and we figure it out. What is the 75 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: perfect analogy, right? I mean, we cannot thrive or function 76 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: without them. Also, you can over water, right, so we 77 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: we have to we have to conserve sometimes and not 78 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: overdo it and balance our lives. You go all friends 79 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: and mess up your relations frien ships. So I think 80 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: we're all kind of always looking for the perfect balance, right. Yeah. 81 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: You know what I always do is I include my 82 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: particular boyfriend if I have a boyfriend now or even 83 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: with my ex husband, he knew my girlfriends as some 84 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: of them were single, they worked there, they were divorced, 85 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: but I would just I would take them in and 86 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: he would take them too. He would embrace them. So 87 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: I think it's important when you find a spouse or 88 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: a significant other that they share your view. That's important 89 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: for you to have women friends. And I'm really one woman. 90 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: And she said, when her husband comes home and she's 91 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: on the phone, she can't see on the phone. She 92 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: has to hang up the phone and meet it. But 93 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: really that's the ticket. But yeah, some men can be 94 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: very controlling of their significant others and jealous of the 95 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: relationships and other women. They're not allowed to talk to them, 96 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: see them. Yeah, and that's just not good. In my opinion, 97 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: Bachelor and Bachelor Rette parties were like the biggest joke 98 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: in the world. So I went to a restaurant with 99 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of my friends at like seven pm and 100 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: it was like a vegan restaurant when it was like 101 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: there was nothing fun about the experience. That sound like 102 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: such a blastm steam carrots. But and then Alec went 103 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: with his brother Billy and his daughter Ireland to go 104 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: watch a movie. And then by eight pm he like 105 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: showed up at the restaurant. He's like, I'm gonna come. 106 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is wild times, but 107 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: that's what we want. We want to be together. We 108 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: have a we have a saying that we um that 109 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: I would engraved in some places. He says, I prefer 110 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: to have one partner that I do essentially everything with. 111 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: I said that to him one time, and he's like, 112 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: so not. He's much more attached than I am. He's 113 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: a little more codependent than I am. And he's like, oh, 114 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: you have to put the word essentially in, like you 115 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: can't just feel like that. I prefer to do everything 116 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: with it, and like we do everything with you, I 117 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: need to have a little bit of space. Lamertle same 118 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: almost everything a little asters. Now. We've seen you, you know, 119 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody knows you from Real Housewives and and 120 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: then all the other amazing things that that you've done, 121 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: and we've seen you transform tremendously over you know, the past. 122 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: What has it been fourteen years? Um? I started filming 123 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: literally like six teen years and I was teen years. 124 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's crazy. What was your expectation going 125 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: into that child. That's a very interesting question. Um. I 126 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: only really, I only did it to help my ex husband. 127 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: He was in a business, a third generation business, and 128 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: he his division was religious articles and jewelry and he 129 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: was losing market share. I said, well, you know, sell 130 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: directly online. He said no, no, no, my my clients 131 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: would be upset my customers. That will change the name. 132 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: So we kicked the name together, True Faith. And now 133 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: he's making double the profits. So the the story paid 134 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: fifty dollars for something and sell it for a hundred. 135 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: Now he's, you know, selling for twenty five making farture. 136 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: So that's why I did the show to give eyeballs 137 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: because being in the media, especially like the reality show, 138 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: it gives you eyeballs to your businesses. And helped me 139 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: with Ahs and my jewelry line as the first housewife 140 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: who did jewelry on Ahs and Idpine Grigio and help 141 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: me with that. I did skincare, so I knew, though 142 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: I knew I'm a little I don't know the right 143 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: word is um the salem? Which background? Maybe you know 144 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: what it's called. Is it called intuition, psychic? Maybe I'm 145 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: a witch. I knew the show an average one million viewers, 146 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: and I told that to production and everyone, and they 147 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: thought it was crazy. Well guess what, Hilaria, we averaged 148 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: one million viewership the first year, which is a heard of, 149 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: unheard of, and yeah it was. It just became what 150 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: they call I guess I would get my words are 151 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: like a water cooler show. People with the next morning 152 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: would go to the water coffee pot and talk about 153 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: the show. We were compared to desperate housewife sex in 154 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: this city. Um, we were in the press. My daughter 155 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: almost got kicked out of private school Sacred Heart because 156 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, and we did a big photo shoot, 157 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: a three page photoshoot spread for Harper's magazine. I mean 158 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: that has never really happened to any reality stars. This 159 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: is like going back twelve years ago. It was amazing. 160 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: It's been an amazing ride. So you expected to go 161 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: into it and you you you use your which, your 162 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: which senses you you've foretold the million viewers. And was 163 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: there any outcome or reality from that experience that completely 164 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: shocked you or blew your mind? How famous we became 165 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: or so I I couldn't I couldn't even use the 166 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: word famous until like ten seasons later. Or I don't 167 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: even call it a celebrity, your well known reality star, um, 168 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: because I could just consider myself, you know, Ramona and 169 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: we it's awkward like as it because then people would 170 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: be like, oh, you say you're famous, and you're like well, 171 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: and the news all the time and people chasing around 172 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: with with cameras. But it is this like awkward moment 173 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: of like like I can say for my husband, he's 174 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: a movie star, Like that's just true. He is a celebrity. 175 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: It's a very clear line. And then with me, I'm like, 176 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't know person that graces your tabloids. No, but 177 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: you know what you are, your personality and that's why 178 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: they write about you. And we went to ask, but 179 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: we go to ask me every year. We should have 180 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: only been on for two weeks and people were recognizing 181 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: the person who helped you on the chair like, oh 182 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: high Ramona at the restaurant, O high, Ramona, Oh you 183 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: a table? Sure? Her mom like, oh my god, how 184 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: do they know me? Like this is crazy recognition. The 185 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: recognition was astronomical and for me, and I'm this self 186 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: confident in my self esteem. I don't use the word embarrassed. 187 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right word. I felt 188 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: self conscious about it because I just want to be mean. 189 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: I did this show for business. You know. My my 190 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: therapist at the times is why are you doing the show? 191 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: It's gonna help my ex husband this business, I know, 192 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: And you never know what doors will open for me 193 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: and it did open a lot of business endeavors for me, 194 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: so yeah, it was great. But the least part for 195 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: me is the recognition. I know that sounds like an oxymoron, 196 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: but I don't like to be recognized. I just want 197 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: to be remone and do my own thing. But I'm 198 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: not on TV or not doing press or doing an 199 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: event where I'm doing me and greet back just on 200 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: the street. I don't like it in people all. The 201 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: worst part is I got a date. Okay, I'm not 202 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: with Mario anymore. I'm in a banquette against the wall 203 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: with my date. And this girl comes over as that 204 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: one of Tao's restaurants. Because I know you're on a date, 205 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: but I have a photo. I don't know, No, you 206 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: cannot What did you of? You get up off the table? 207 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: Away from my day? Its spirit and men don't like it. 208 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: Trusting men do not like this the recognition. They get 209 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: very I don't care how successful they are, they get 210 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: very intimidated and secure at that. Recently, this girl came 211 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: over to me, I've been I'm twenty six, I'm twenty 212 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: four years old, and well, how do you even know? Why? 213 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: You know? I started like you must have been twelve 214 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: pleased to watch it with my mom and she loves you. 215 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: Go fine, let's call her right now and or all 216 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: set of video and she's, oh, my god, just do 217 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: my mother's day. So sometimes I'll do that for people. 218 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: But that's the whole thing about you being ageless, is 219 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: it's just you are you relate to such a big 220 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: group of people because you're so human. But there is 221 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: something that it's just it's a spirit that we that 222 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: is drawn, you know, that makes people drawn to you 223 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: and to you in particular because you are this big. 224 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: You've got good and I love life. I mean, I 225 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: went with my daughter in Chicago, did all these things 226 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: just you shout like a rest of them before dinner. 227 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: Come now, I'm not tired, because who are you? I'm 228 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: a little tired. I have boundless energy, I really do. 229 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I do. What have you 230 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: learned from being on the show for so many years? 231 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: What how did it change you in a way that 232 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: you could have never imagined? Well? Number one, it made 233 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: me more self aware? How abrupt my cafaith because I 234 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: was I did the show, I was one of the 235 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: I was the only woman in her own business and 236 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: company I had was running a multimillion dollar business. That's 237 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: how I bought my home when the Hampton's multimillion dollar 238 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: home in the Hamptons, my Mulimion Dllarter apartment New York City. 239 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: Because those people don't realize it, but I really had 240 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: all the money, not my ex husband. My husband did well, 241 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: but I really did well. Way before the show, and 242 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: I was busy NonStop, you know, running to homes my daughter, 243 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: or social life, working out my girlfriends. So I realized 244 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: I can be very curt and I wouldn't always say 245 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: please and can you help me? And sometimes best didn't 246 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: even make fun of me because I said, could you 247 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: kindly give me a glass of water? Could I? Oh, 248 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: thank you so kindly, Oh thank you so kindly. But 249 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: you know what, I was just trying to be a 250 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: better person. So maybe you know I over did it, 251 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: but you know what, I don't care. Better to be 252 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: overly nice than underly nice. Can I jump into that 253 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: for a second, because I think there's something really important 254 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: to be said about I run to businesses and try 255 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: to work out and have a social life and all 256 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: the things right, but you know, we get to a 257 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: point where we have to act in a way of efficiency. Right, 258 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: So do you think if you were a man, they'd 259 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: call you Kurt. I think they'd say, no, he's just 260 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's just efficient, he's just doing his thing. 261 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: But we get judged through a different lens. We get 262 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: judged as being like not warm enough or whatever, and 263 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: then we have to make up for it in an 264 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: interesting way. And I'm sure that in your daily interactions 265 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't come across the same way as it 266 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: would have on television. Right now, you're actually percent right. 267 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we women have to work harder in the 268 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: workplace to get ahead. And um, actually when we were 269 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: talking about I was like, I'm a big googler, so 270 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: I was looking up to see. I've always embraced women 271 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: because it comes from if you're confident and if your 272 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: high self esteem, then you're able to handle women. But 273 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: in the workplace too, Yeah, you're right. A lot of 274 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: women they they lose they lose their empathy for other women, 275 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: they lose certain qualities because they're fighting to get ahead 276 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: and be more assertive and be a certain way because 277 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: they want to be respected by the men, and they 278 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: don't want me looked as just like another woman. So yes, 279 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: you do change a little, and you're right. I was. 280 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: I had my own company. I was doing coming as 281 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. Like I mean, I ran a major, 282 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: ran a company, drook with mistake, you know. I mean, 283 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: I was a buyer for Macy's. I work for Calvin c. 284 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: I worked in a mail dominated business, you know, prior 285 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: for Macy's, work for Calvin Klein, French Connection. I was 286 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: up against sold these men. And you have to have 287 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: like your hard ask. You can't just sit there, oh, well, 288 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: you know I look pretty today, and well you know, 289 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: what are you gonna make for to do tonight? It's like, no, 290 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, business facts. Boom boom, boom boom. So you're right, 291 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: that's where it comes from. Thank you for putting that out. No, 292 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: I think it's a very many thing. I struggle with 293 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: it all the time because you know, like so many 294 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: women think there's a finite piece of pie, right, so 295 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: we have to edge others out in order to get 296 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: our piece. And so what we talked about here all 297 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: the time is that the pie is infinite. You don't 298 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: ever have to push a woman out of your way 299 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: to have your time in the sun. And so that's 300 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: what we're always trying to cultivate this conversation around. And 301 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: I think that that I'm laugh because you know what, 302 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: that was the other thing they think, because I was 303 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: because I'm really when I get into something, I get 304 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: into it. And they were saying, women, a lot of 305 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: them think that the pie is only big enough for 306 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: certain amount of people, and they're afraid of competition, they're 307 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: afraid of sharing because they feel they could really get 308 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: one smart, small part of that pie. And that's really 309 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: not true. And I think that's changing a bit, but 310 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: there's still innately with some people is still like that, Yeah, 311 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: it's totally. I think we're all kind of on everyone, 312 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: even though we know it consciously, and we all seem 313 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: to totally be on that page and learning that it's 314 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: like a subconscious patriarchal you know, embedding in our psyches 315 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: and essence. And it's through these conversations where we can 316 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: get to that realization because it's embedded to it in us, 317 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: as you're saying, the survival of the fitness, and then 318 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: we get and then we get to a point where 319 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: like we have to let each other know, like hey, 320 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: we can put our swords down Okay, we're done with this. 321 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: Let's pull up a chair. Our table only grows and 322 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: we're and we're all in this together. You know, being 323 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: under such a spotlight, how how do you handle press attention? 324 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: I can't. It makes you very upset to you truth, 325 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't. I can't handle it well. And you know, 326 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: I grew up an environment where my father wasn't very 327 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: lovely to my mother, and so learn to shut things out. 328 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: That's why when I filmed the show, I'm very natural 329 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: because I don't even notice the cameras. And I remember 330 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: when we first did the show, Jill would say, aren't 331 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: you up? Said about the blogs? I think right about 332 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: in the blogs, I didn't even know what a blog was, hilaria, 333 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: and then I found out they write negative things because 334 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, people love to talk about the negative. The 335 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: press does the negative, and then you had Twitter this 336 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: neh the negativity. I would block it out. But when 337 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: page six writes things or other issues of other publications 338 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: that writings that aren't true, I find it very hurtful, 339 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: very upsetting, and it's just it's just it's a very difficult, 340 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: difficult thing to handle it. It's a business for them 341 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: and That's what I am always trying to say to people. 342 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: It's like they're going to try to do the click 343 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: bait of just the headline is going to be the 344 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: most ridiculous thing in the world, and it could actually 345 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: not even match what they're writing inside or any of 346 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: these publications. Like if I say, you know, you wrote 347 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: this and it's not true, and then I have to 348 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: hire a lawyer to get them to try to take 349 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: it down, and then they wait. There's always like a like, 350 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: but you have to take it down by five oh 351 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: two pm or whatever, and they wait till like five 352 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: oh one, and then it's already picked up everywhere else. 353 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: People have already read it. People already assumed that that's 354 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: how you are what you are. And I think that 355 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: they do this to women on such a higher degree. 356 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: And this goes back to you know, Michelle's roots and 357 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: to you know, are the witch in this podcast is 358 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: people love to tear women down. And we have learned 359 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: through the Survival of the Fittest that women love to 360 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: tear other women down because we think that then we're 361 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: going to have a bit more or it gives us 362 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: a dopamine high, and being in the in the spotlight 363 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: as you have in a show where you are fluting 364 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 1: it out there. It's not like, oh they didn't like 365 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: your acting in Joan of Arc or something like that. 366 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: They're like, no, we don't like you, or we don't 367 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: like what you did or how you said this, and 368 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: we're going to pick you apart under a microscope that 369 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: nobody else is having to be looked through. You know, no, 370 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: it's it's true. It's very true. And you know, one 371 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: thing about social media is become especially it feel really 372 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: bad for teenagers because with the Instagram, like well, why 373 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: was anybody to that party? And then and then these 374 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: kids are more consumed about their photos then living in 375 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: the moment and interacting with their friends. It's like they're 376 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: just because she was taking photos, and it's just it's 377 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: just a crazy, crazy world when you see them all 378 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: real year around like a dinner table, just everyone's looking 379 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: at their phone and no one is having a conversation 380 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: and you're like, well, you're not missing anything because you're 381 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: not actually here. I mean, the lack of presence is 382 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: very interesting. I actually would love to go back to 383 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: the vulnerability you to both experience with social media and 384 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: paparazzi and and the press. You know, obviously I'm not 385 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: in the public eye, and you know we all still 386 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: everyone out there does experience their version of this. And 387 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: what how people like to What's that was the thing? 388 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: Like people love watching a car accident right now, Everyone 389 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: slows down by the side of the road when you 390 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: see something going wrong in someone's life. And as someone 391 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: who's been going through some darker times in my personal life, 392 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: it's amazing, like the anxiety and panic that come, which 393 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: I would kind of compare to what you two have 394 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: to experience with the with the media outlets. I wake 395 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: up in the morning, I'm like, oh God, what is 396 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: someone going to say today about this thing that's going 397 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: wrong in my life? And like just even like the 398 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: myopic bit of gossip that people you know, in ordinary 399 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: person experiences but in their friend group is so traumatic 400 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: and it doesn't die if it's on social media. It 401 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: just keeps coming back for you. We have to be 402 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: nicer to each other. Unfortunately, depress your they're all about sensationalism. 403 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: They're not going to say how how wonderful Ramona, it was. 404 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: It's more about something negative. I mean, I remember one 405 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: thing that upset myself at a very close mail friend 406 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: of mine. We were going to a big party, my 407 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: girlfriend Pala was holsting at Doubles and we had a 408 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: drink near by my neighborhood. All of a sudden, someone 409 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: wrote on page six with the date, and then they 410 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: researched him and he did a white collar crime when 411 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: went away for six months. He really shouldn't have gone away, 412 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: but whatever the reasons, he did, and the press picked up. 413 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: But actually, you know, I know, page do you have 414 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: to write that? Can just take that part out? I mean, 415 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: it was not It was just very cruel because he 416 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: blows to a country club and this happened like ten 417 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: years ago, and that was all. I didn't know that 418 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: you went away for six months, and it was mortified. 419 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: I was so Now it is not not only hurts me, 420 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: it hurts a friend of mine, and they dig up 421 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: dirt and it's just so nasty for those of you 422 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: that listening at home. A lot of people will say, 423 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, the the experience that Ramona and I have 424 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: have had is not relatable because I'm not in the media. 425 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm not in the news, and over and over again 426 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: on this podcast, I'm gonna try to drill in how 427 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: it trickles down into how we're all what we're seeing 428 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: in the influencer world or the world that we're being 429 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: influenced back is how we start treating each other. So 430 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: we need to care for ourselves, for our friends, for 431 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: our family, for our children. And then also it's it 432 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: might not be the whole world looking at you, but 433 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: it's your whole world. If you are feeling gossip in 434 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: your community, your online community, your work community, and it 435 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: feels overwhelming, it could even be one person, it still matters, like, 436 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: don't dumb down the fact that somebody, if somebody's gossiping 437 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: around you're saying something that's not true or mean, or 438 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: spreading something that might be true, but you don't really 439 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: want them to say it. You know, that's just realized 440 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: that that's valid and that's painful. And that's another reason 441 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: that we're here, is to to be able to talk 442 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: about how we can speak about each other in a 443 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: better way where we're supporting each other rather than picking 444 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: at each other for silly things. No, I mean, I 445 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: definitely agree, but I think sometimes I was reading about 446 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: how most women they need to feel that type of 447 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: health relationship between them that um in the eyes of 448 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: each woman, they haven't feel similar self esteem and similar confidence. 449 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 1: And once that parody shifts, then they start bullying you. 450 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: They ostracize you because now something is shifted and now 451 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: you're in a higher hierarchy and they don't like it. So, 452 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: which is very interesting. It's almost maybe psychological, how we 453 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: were brought up for something deep within us um. But 454 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: that's like, you know, a very a very um upsetting occurred. 455 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: So I felt out of whack. I felt lost in 456 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: the sea. So I basically hang out with guys. All 457 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: the men were my friends. And when I finally went 458 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: to college, finally I seek water, seeks aroun level. I 459 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: finally met women who were very attractive, they liked to dress, 460 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: they were smart, and then I, you know, people I 461 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: really enjoyed being with. But I've always had a lot 462 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: of self confidence, in high self esteem, and I guess 463 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: that's how my mother brought me up. But I believe 464 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: I brought my daughter that way. And I think, you know, 465 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: it starts at home. So anyone who's listening to has 466 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: young children or planned have children, you have to give 467 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: them confident self esteem. Is a woman who's confident is 468 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: not going to bully you. When is confident is not 469 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: going to leave you out. A woman who's confident is 470 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: not going to be a bit to you. It's a 471 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: woman who feels inferior, insecure, and is threatened by you. 472 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: That's where it comes from. She's intimidated and threatened. Nothing 473 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: you did, just you being successful, You're being confident, You're 474 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: feeling like a strong person. That makes them go off 475 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: the wall, off the rail, how you want to say it. 476 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: Can't love others properly unless we love ourselves. And that's 477 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: where all insecurity and you know, lack of self worth, 478 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: lack of self esteem come from. And I think that's 479 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: something we've been covering a lot in in a broader 480 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: aspect with the show, that the difference between self esteem 481 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: and self worth, right, and how both have to be 482 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: cultivated so much, and how that starts at home, especially 483 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: with young girls, like we can see what how the 484 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: world perceives us as attractive, as intelligent, or as well spoken, 485 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: but if we don't believe it, it doesn't matter. And 486 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: how yeah, how we just have to marry those two 487 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: concepts to our kids every single day, especially through the 488 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: lens of social media, and it's also this whole like um, 489 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, princess and the pea, and you know was 490 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: what was the other one? The girl that the girl 491 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: who got married Sleeping beauty, right, not sleeping beauty, the 492 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: one with the sholla. So I remember my daughter, I 493 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: mean I remember this so distinctly. In my bathroom there 494 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: was the tub and she sits stand on the tub 495 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: so she could look at the mirror, and I'd be 496 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: getting ready for black tie and being old dog up. 497 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: You know, Mom, you're so pretty, You're so beautiful, and 498 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: one day I'm gonna be beautiful too, and a man 499 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: will is gonna want me. I go, let me talk 500 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: about you for no, no, no, no, no no no. 501 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: First of all, beauty is only skin deep. You're gonna 502 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: work on being a warm person, a giving person, a 503 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: generous person, a loving person, and you're going to decide 504 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: who you want, because every man is gonna want you. 505 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: And even in a career with women, I always say, 506 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: don't look to your left, don't look to your right, 507 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: don't like, don't look what everyone else is doing. No, 508 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: concentrate on you, follow your own path, your own way, 509 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: and just make it happen. And that takes us to 510 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: being ourselves right and really being unapologetically proud to be ourselves. 511 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: And I think that is a theme that comes up 512 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: quite often with you, Ramona um this quote with no 513 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: origin that we all like to put out on the internet. 514 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: You know, be yourself. Everybody is already taken. And I 515 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: guess it's we were talking about this. It's not Oscar 516 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: Wild who knows who it is, but it's relevant no 517 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: matter who we at treat us too. And you know, 518 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: like you you recently said something about the new cast 519 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: for the show and how you know they that the 520 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: audience knows if you're faking it, and you know they 521 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: need to not try to copy it past cast members. 522 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: They need to be themselves and you can teach them 523 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: kind of how to be icons. And when I read this, 524 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: I perceived it as, Yeah, you're trying to tell them 525 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: you really need to be authentic for this to work exactly. 526 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: And I think that the world's kind of expecting us 527 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: to conform to what they expect to see on that show. 528 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: So do you have advice, like for just being unapologetically 529 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: yourself in that way? You know, I think the main 530 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: reason why is on for so many years it is 531 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: because I'm unfiltered. I say what everyone else is thinking. 532 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: And you know, basically, I remember they flew me over 533 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: to New Zealand the new housewives there, and they want 534 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: to plan what you're gonna do on the show and 535 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: talk what they're gonna say about the show. If they do, 536 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: that's how it works. No, just start filming and just 537 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: let it. Let it roll. And if you don't like 538 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: that woman's blue shirt, or you think are skirts too high, 539 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: don't keep yourself like you know what, why is that 540 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: screwt too so high? I think it looks ridiculous on me. 541 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: And that's what I do. Unfiltered. I say what everyone's thinking. 542 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: So sometimes I get a little flat for it, but 543 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I know what I'm doing. I mean, 544 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: I'm not into TV to be unsuccessful. I did to 545 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: be successful. Am I acting? I'm not acting? But of 546 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: course I pump it up, but in a genuine way. 547 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: And I like that in real life. If I didn't 548 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: like your blue shirts, shall we think that blue shirt? 549 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: You know? I you should only be were in red 550 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: and yellow? Why blue? It looks terrible on you. I 551 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: would never say that to you, but on TV I 552 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: would so that's just an example. Just because you're wearing 553 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: a bluish navy shirts of Susie as an example, Yeah, 554 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: like what color is this? Um will? You really have 555 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: endured and outlasted everyone on that show. So I think 556 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: that's a testament to authenticity, right, just being yourself and 557 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: being yourself pumped up right on steroids. What about being 558 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: yourself off TV? I'll tell you, not being on this 559 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: show for a couple of years has really relaxed me. 560 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: I feel I'm just a softer person. You don't realize, 561 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: even though I say I can block these out, you 562 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: don't realize when you're filming a show as intensely as 563 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: this on Bravo, how much it does emotionally and mentally, 564 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: that shoot and drains you. You know, you're like like 565 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: you're on it's like a high. You know, you're on 566 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: Adrenaline's almost like a it's a high, some kind of 567 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: a high, and it winds you all up and you 568 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: can't relax. And now I just I mean, I'm taking 569 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: this whole hiatus. I'm trying to do different things. My 570 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: daughter and I are gonna do a podcast. I'll ask 571 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: you for some advice because I know you like to empowermen, 572 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: and um, I'm just so much happier. I mean, I 573 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: don't have to prove anything now. I mean I'm sixties something. 574 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: Just say sixties something, as I say ageless. And I've 575 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: accomplished so much more in my life than I ever 576 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: thought possible. I mean, I grew Upstate New York. My 577 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: dad was an engineer. My mom is a homemaker. She 578 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: did a little bit of real estate. I really State 579 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: Licesnes too. But I surpassed all of my dreams so far. 580 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: And I feel my life. I just tell my daughter, 581 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm living to be a hind he I'm gonna die 582 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: and a hundred looking quite pretty, not really ill and 583 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: just dying in my sleep. I have a lot of 584 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: life in me. I love life. I love people, people 585 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: for me, my food, my food, my sunshine, my water. 586 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: I thrive on people and doing things with great people 587 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 1: and meeting new people. So yeah, I'm enjoying what I'm doing. 588 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm meeting I mean, I have a place down on 589 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: Palm Beach. I have a whole new group of friends 590 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: down there. Um. My other advice to older women, we 591 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: outlive our husbands a lot of our friends. Because I'm 592 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: gonna look to a hundred. I'm now picking friends and 593 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: having friends that are twenty years younger because they just 594 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: because they better be around because they will be And 595 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to all of a sudden wake up 596 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: one morning and I have, you know, no no one 597 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: in my life because everyone you know, because I passed. 598 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: You know, I'm like very healthy for my age. I mean, 599 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: nothing's going to happen to me until I'm a hundred. 600 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: So I love people. So I'm learning to have friends 601 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: or they're just coming to me. Ease, have a high energy. 602 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's important as you get older, once 603 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: you turn fifties six, because I say it's hard to 604 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: meet good friends as you get older, you know. But 605 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: for me, maybe it's not because I traveled so much. 606 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 1: I I meet people through businesses and social networking. So 607 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm collecting friends. And why people collect? What do people collect? 608 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, candles, flowers. I think it's about being 609 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: curious as well. You're a curious person. And when you're 610 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: curious and you feel like you know yourself yet you're 611 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: not afraid to evolve, that's that that is a really 612 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: key things. When we keep hilarious, not afraid to fool. 613 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: You know, I always say life just like a shark. 614 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: You've gotta keep moving or your die keep evolving. That 615 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: is so profound and so well said. It was so true. 616 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: Now I was I was looking at a little a 617 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: few clips today from from your your work, and I 618 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: was seeing like a whole apology thing, and I made 619 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: me think of why women are expected to apologize all 620 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: the time. Now, an apology can be a great thing sometimes, 621 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: but I notice with my daughter, and I want to 622 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: get your parenting advice on this, that she just says 623 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: she's sorry all the time. Like I'll be doing homework 624 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: with her and I'm like, oh, no, you know this 625 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: is a little bit different right here, and she's like, oh, 626 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm like, why are you saying you're sorry? 627 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: We're not And then she says saying sorry. I was like, 628 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: oh god, Carmon, no, no, no, you don't have to 629 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: say you're sorry. Don't go through a life constantly Apologizeing 630 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: goes to being unapologetically yourself and then just being able, Yes, 631 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: of course we're gonna mess up sometimes and we should 632 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: apologize for that. And then there's times where you were 633 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: just apologizing because it's inner vocabulary, not you're right. It's 634 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: almost like the verbal crutch, right, because you default to 635 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: that almost it's like that SNL skate. I think we've 636 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: all seen it where it's a bunch of women on 637 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: a stage and a panel and it's probably like a 638 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: Ted Talk model and they're all saying like, oh, I'm sorry, 639 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: but oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but I have something 640 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: to say, and like it does, there's not one sentence 641 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: uttered without an apology attached. And it's an interesting think 642 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: about because if you if you flip that to to 643 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: the other gender, you're not gonna hear I'm sorry. I 644 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: think maybe society teaches us to say that. We think 645 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: we can't have a different opinion. We think they did 646 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: hurt someone's feelings, and instead of trying to say, oh 647 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know that it hurts you or upset you. 648 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: So next time, now I know it, I will you know, 649 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: I'll be conscious of sorry, right, I will hear you. Yeah, 650 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: I know. It's kind of just yeah, we need any word. 651 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: Um no, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. 652 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: And how do you how do you teach that to 653 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: your daughter or has that had had to has that 654 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: had to be something you teach to her. I remember 655 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: the biggest thing I would teach my daughter when she 656 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: was getting older was, um, we would you'll see with 657 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: your girls before they go to college or when their 658 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: teens they start fighting with you, because you know, my 659 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: daughters are so close, we're so close that she wants 660 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: to get a little independent. So sometimes I butt heads 661 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: with her and we have arguments, and then I finally 662 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: realized that, you know what, I'm not going to win 663 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: this and what's the point. So I'd walk away and 664 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: I would just say to her, you know what, Avery, 665 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm not liking you right now, So I'm going to 666 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: leave the room and don't don't go talk. Where you going? 667 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: Do you still love me? What? Mom? Me? What? What? What? 668 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: And I just look at it, Avery, I'll always love you, 669 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: but right now I'm just not liking you and I 670 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: need a time out from you. And that was that, 671 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: I remember, Psychologically worked really well for us. I also 672 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: taught my daughter. Yeah, I taught my daughter to you know, 673 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: my mother taught me to be financially independent. So my 674 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: daughter has really strong work ethics. And I remember the 675 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: thing I was most proud about of her is um 676 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: you know when she was in school, like, why don't 677 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: have a credit card. I'm sorry, I'm not giving a 678 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: credit Well knows that's credit card. I don't really care 679 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: not giving me a credit card because I got myself 680 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: in big debt the credit card. Thank god my ex 681 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: boyfriend paid it off and I didn't can get another 682 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: credit cards thirty five years old because afraid of debt. 683 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: So um. So what happened was she um, she was 684 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: in college graduating and it's a big trip. They do 685 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: the college trip, they go on vacation. And I had 686 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: just spent for me a lot of money taking away 687 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: first class major hotels to Europe. We went to Paris 688 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: and London. And so she's like, Mom, I need like 689 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: now two thousand dollars to go on this trip. Are 690 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, Avery, I just got divorced from your dad. Um, 691 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: I just took in this major trip, so no, you 692 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: you to gure it out. So she did that, you 693 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: have if what she did was resource book. She ran 694 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: the whole trip for the college students. She found kids 695 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: to go on this trip, pay for her trip for free. 696 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: She was They were so proud of her, the people 697 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: who had the trip for all these kids. They gave 698 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: her extra money. The kids were also thrilled that, they said, 699 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: this is the best trip we ever went on her 700 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: life because she just organized it and she knew where 701 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: to go and we're gonna make the reservations and planned 702 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: all the activities and found the spot. So yeah, So 703 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: if you just give kids stuff, they're not going to 704 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: really try it hard to do things on their own, 705 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yes, did I have the money 706 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: to give it to her, of course I did, But 707 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't wanted to be dependent upon me always giving 708 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: their money. Figure out a way to finding out your way. Yeah, 709 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: if you never have to figure it out, you never 710 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: start searching, right, And that's where we find like our 711 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: greatest talent, skills, passions, you know, I think all the 712 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: things that make us our best. But hearing you talk 713 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: about your daughter, clearly you too are extremely close. And 714 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: as a daughter with a mother who's a therapist. By 715 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: the way, I said, there's that that whole wonderful thing, 716 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: and we're analyzing you every day. Oh my god, when 717 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm going through it, there's no one better to talk to. 718 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: And we are very close. But you know, mother and 719 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: daughter relationships can have their moments. They can they can 720 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: sometimes be complex and you know, ever as it can 721 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: of every relationship. Um, but how do you how did you? 722 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: And maybe with or without the show, because I guess 723 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: you know you were on it for so long. She 724 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: grew up on the show a great deal of her life. 725 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: Do you think that that helped strengthen the bond? Kind 726 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: of YouTube really kind of YouTube against the world or well, 727 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: she was about twelve when I did the show, and 728 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: she say like, why can't you just be my mother? 729 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: Like why do you have people? You know? I remember 730 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: taking to a Britney Spears concert and Madison Square Garden 731 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: or just to be for someone of those famous singers, 732 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: and this woman wanted to scream it's right, sort of 733 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: hated me being recognized, could stet it? Why can't you 734 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: just be my mom? So that was that was not 735 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: a good thing. Um, when I was feeling sometimes I 736 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: would have to film. I remember it was I was 737 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: this was like first season when I yelled at Alex 738 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: and Simon, why Simon are you at this dinner? It's 739 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: a girl's dinner because I left my dinner, my ex husband, 740 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: myself and my daughter. We have a formal European background. 741 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: He's been a beautiful dinner every night with candles and 742 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: silver and crystal, and it was like, where are you going? 743 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: Why are you leaving us for dinner? I said, I 744 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: have to film, so um. She would get upset when 745 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: I had to film at nights because we were always 746 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: a very strong family unit. But it was only for 747 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: four months. But and then you know, yeah, the attention. 748 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: I mean, she actually showed me a video when she 749 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: was in Chicago that this woman came up to saying, 750 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: you know you're Avery, You're Avery, and She's like, I'm dancing. 751 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: Please please go away. I don't want to be known 752 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: as Avery from this show I wanted. She wants her 753 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: own identity, her own independence. Um. So yeah, so it had, 754 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, had a little bit of some problems for 755 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: her and went through a phase when I was younger 756 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: and my boys didn't do it as much. But it 757 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: might just be because of the age, but she went 758 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: through a phase where she would freak out if I 759 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: had to work, and I was constantly working from home 760 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: and then going to a photo shoot and then going 761 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: and being on Rachel Ray and then the Today Show, 762 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: and I'd want to bring her with me everywhere because 763 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: it was like all right, she she was in like 764 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: preschool so she could come with me. And she went 765 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: through a period where she would try to in like 766 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: the dressing rooms they have the TV, and I would 767 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: go out and she'd be screaming and I was just like, 768 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm just on the other side. She would try to 769 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: get into the TV. When she was like really like two, 770 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: she was like, I wan my mom And like one 771 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: time I was doing a shoot for I Feel like 772 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: it was in style and I had to be in 773 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: like a yoga pose and I had I think three 774 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: kids at the time, who knows, who knows a lot 775 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: of kids at the time, and I'm so like beholding 776 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: all of them. And the people who were doing the 777 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: shoot had this idea that none of them had kids. 778 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: They're like, we want you to be balancing a green 779 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: juice like this, holding your hand here. Somehow you're holding 780 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: three children. She screamed the entire time and then sat 781 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: on top of me on my yoga mat and would 782 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: not let me take pictures. It was like the biggest 783 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: like nightmare ever she was. She's like, this is my mommy. 784 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: I don't know who you people are, and green juices girls, 785 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 1: it should have been ice cream. If you is ice cream, 786 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: I would have breed to this. But exactly, yeah, I 787 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: know it's a it's it's interesting parenting through through all 788 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: of this. But you know, I mean I feel like 789 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: for for moms too that are, you know, bringing their 790 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: their kids to work. It's it's it's hard to watch 791 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: your watch your parents go and work. And there's just 792 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 1: a whole another animal when you do it the way 793 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: the way that you've done it. So we we do 794 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: something on our podcast that's called what are We Coveting 795 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: in the Coven, which is just a fun product that 796 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: we're using, fun product experience thing, anything that you want 797 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: to want to recommend. We want to know what's your 798 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: Kevin Ramona, Well, I'm really into I love lipsticks and 799 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: lip glosses and lip pencils. And my biggest problem is 800 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: because I because I have different colors that I like, 801 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 1: I misplace everything. So Lisa Renna, she has a line 802 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: called ran A Beauty and there's a color she does 803 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: called Legends. So it's like the lipstick with the lip 804 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: pencil and the lip gloss and they all three go together. 805 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: So if you just if you put them and you 806 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: know they match and then you know they work. So 807 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: that this is my and I love this color called 808 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: Legends because it's like a peachy CORALI color because I 809 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: used to sometimes we're pinky, but because I'm blonde and 810 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: brown eyes, I look better than the peaches and corals. 811 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: So ran a Beauty her Brye color pack. There's nothing 812 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: worse than having like twenty five different lip glosses just 813 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: floating around your purse like a fish bowl, like I 814 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: never right, and then you know, and then the lip 815 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: pencil to go with the actual lipstick. You know, it's 816 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: very difficult to find that. So I love that that 817 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: she has that together. So okay, that's right now, my 818 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: go to it. I have it wherever I go. Now, 819 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you for being here. All right, 820 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: bye guys. Michelle Ramona was the perfect first guest Witchy 821 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: in like all the best ways and just such a 822 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: good energy to start this project off where you know 823 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: people would come out We're not perfect, we're not polished maybe, 824 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: but we have confidence and we can get to a 825 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 1: place where women support women and we you know, together, 826 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: we got this in our govern She was fantastic and 827 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: a real reminder of how much the media can influence 828 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 1: us and how much intensity it can bring to our lives, 829 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: and the idea that it's just gossiping. It's gossiping about 830 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: a whole load of people, you know what I mean that, 831 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: but a whole load of people, I should say, gossiping 832 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: about one person. And we all know, for you guys 833 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: at home, that it could be one person gossiping about 834 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: you or one million people gossiping about you. It's just 835 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: a really bad feeling. So, you know, my my heart 836 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: goes out to her with her experiences that you know 837 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: she's that she so kindly shared with us, and I'm 838 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: really glad that she is in a more calm and 839 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: peaceful place with more privacy. Absolutely, you know, And like 840 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: you say, one or one million, it's still hurts and 841 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: we can't control how we are perceived. And that reminds 842 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,479 Speaker 1: me and brings me to our Witch of the Week 843 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: this week, whose perception in the media was completely distorted 844 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: and insane. So this week's which of the week is? 845 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: And the witch of the week every week is going 846 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: to be a woman in history that was left out 847 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: of the story, demonized, was called a witch, was called crazy, 848 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: was called amazing, but everyone forgot to talk about her 849 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: and put her in the books. Every week we honor 850 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: a woman that has inspired, has been torn down, has 851 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: been through it. And so this week we are putting 852 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: our spotlight on Clara bou. Clara Beau was born in 853 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: Brooklyn in five. She was infamous for her entanglements with men, 854 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: her partying, alcohol consumption, and most famous for captivating audiences 855 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: on the silver screen. She was an extremely famous actress 856 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: in her day, and Clara Beau one of fame and fortune. 857 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 1: Contest in that put her on this path and changed 858 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: her life forever, gave her exposure. A small role in 859 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: a movie her first evening gown, and eventually that led 860 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: to her becoming a contracted player at Paramount and Clara's 861 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: films just killed it in the box office. She was 862 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: most famous for being in a movie called It, which 863 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: was an adaptation of an Eleanor Glynn novel. Eleanor Glenn 864 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: was one of the most notorious and amazing journalists and 865 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: writers of her day, and we will be covering her 866 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: at another time. But in this film, um, she's essentially 867 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: the girl and she is. She plays a shop girl 868 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: with sites on her boss but unfortunately, despite this film 869 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: being a huge hit and extremely entertaining, Clara's talent and 870 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: success were always overshadowed by her public persona, which was 871 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: heavily heavily influenced by the media of the day. Um 872 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: she was a notorious wild child. Before that was a term, 873 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: she was considered the embodiment of a jazz age flapper, 874 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: and the flapper we so often attribute to the Great Gatsby, 875 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, the flapper was more or less defined as 876 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: a woman exuding charms, sexuality, sex appeal, wearing you know, 877 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: clothes that were a little more suggestive, having you know, 878 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: more of a willingness to drink publicly, drink with the boys, 879 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: be really fun. Clara's partying and her drinking it really 880 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: just ended up taking the spotlight off of the great 881 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: work she did. She infamously fought the studios to have 882 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: the morals clauses removed from her contract. Now. Morals clauses 883 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: are legal agreements that actors have to make stating that 884 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: they would behave according to certain um, usually agreed upon 885 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: guidelines determined by the film studio. So any violation of 886 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: those terms could cause the actor to lose their job 887 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: and Clara was the first woman who who fought for that, 888 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: and she was the first woman who really at that 889 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: time was unapologetically herself in a Hollywood where that was 890 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: virtually unheard of. Um. She would often say, I'm a 891 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: big old freak because I'm myself. And she was not 892 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: the first of her kind, and she won't be the last. 893 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: But you know, Clara, we honor her for speaking out, 894 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: speaking up, acting out, but unfortunately being criticized for it. 895 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: And if there's a takeaway from what you just shared 896 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: with s Michelle about Clara, or from Ramona or probably 897 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: any of the things that you guys feel that you've experienced, 898 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: is that so many times we say, oh, well, she 899 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 1: signed up for it, and she's a strong woman and 900 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: she's trying to be you know, like all big and 901 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: bold and everything. So somehow she's built differently that she 902 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: can receive that kind of judgment and negativity. And I 903 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: can tell you that it doesn't work that way. And 904 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: for the women like Clara and Ramona who are brave 905 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: enough to go out there and be big and be 906 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: bold and be free, rather than having that be sort 907 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: of just a you know, we think that it's an 908 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 1: invitation to pick at them and put them up there 909 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: and sort of gossip about them. Rather than having that 910 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: be the case, we can look at them and say, 911 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: that's an invitation to inspire me to also be big, 912 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 1: be bold, be free, because we should be taking up 913 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,800 Speaker 1: all the space. So I'm very grateful that Ramona opened 914 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: up about her her mental health, her feelings about how 915 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, she's been treated, and then but still saying, hey, 916 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: you know what, this is who I am, and I'm 917 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: proud of who I am. All right, one more thing 918 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: before we go, Michelle, what are we covering in our 919 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: coven this week? 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