1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, listen, we got a special guest this morning. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: I told you he's family. He's my frat brother. He's 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: one of the fighters that's on the front line of 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: civil rights and justice for all people. But he is 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: what we consider the trial lawyer of our time. He's 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: probably the most sought off the civil rights attorney of 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: present day. And like I said, he's just been on 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: the front lines of some of the most notable cases 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: of civil rights and justice. But he's also now here's 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: the deal, folks. He's a new author. His debut novel 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: is worse than a lie, and he's joining us to 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: tell us about it. Please, welcome to the show, my 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: dog Attorney Benjamin Crumb. 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: Guessa more than Shirlotte Tomy caller morning. You know, Steve Harvey, 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: I just thought about it when I first came on 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 2: your show. The first time was with Trayvon Martin in 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. Man, it's been almost fifteen years. You've been 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: rocking with me and support me, brother, and I just 19 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: want to say thank you. 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Hey, man, we in this together. I appreciate the way 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: you are. You are fearless man. You ain't scared of nobody, 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: Nobody and nothing. And that's what I love about you, man. 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: So anytime you need me, I'm here now, like today, 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: and I check this out. Now, we got to talk 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: about it something different because you are often Now this 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: book that you've come out with, it's a legal thriller. 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: It's called Worse Than a Lie. It's about an attorney 28 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: named Boli Cooper who seeks to uncover the truth about 29 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: black ex police officer after black police officer Hollis Montrose 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: is wrongfully imprisoned after brutal, racially charged traffic stop in Chicago. Now, 31 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Does Bolee Cooper reflect 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: the values that influenced your career, Steve? 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: In so many ways when you think about what happened 34 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: in this novel. I was trying to create a legal thriller, 35 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: civil rights legal thriller, much in the way like John Grisham, 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: The Rainmaker, Michael Coney, the Lincoln Lawyer, even back to 37 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: Perry Mason Shirley, with Earl Stanley Gardner writing, these legal 38 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: thrillers engage us. And so it had never been Steve 39 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: Harvey where we had a black superhero trial lawyer in 40 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: these books. And so what I endeavored to do was 41 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: to create a scenario where we introduced Bold Lee Cooper 42 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: and created this franchise with a black superhero lawyer to 43 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: engage us, entertain us, but more importantly educate us. And 44 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: so that's what we've been doing with this book, Steve Man, 45 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: it's been getting rave reviews. 46 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting, man, because I was wondering what your 47 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: inspiration for the book was. So you just told us, 48 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: and that's something I would have never thought. But let 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: me ask you this man. In the book, the book 50 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: is entitled Worse Than a Lie. There's a contrast in 51 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: the book of Barack obama two thousand and eight election 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: and the tragedy of Hollis Montrose shooting. How's that all 53 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: put together? 54 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Steve, I was being intentional about creating 55 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: this allegory, using you know, symbolic characters, settings and events 56 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: to create, you know, literally a thought provoking concept with 57 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: the election of the first black president in America, this 58 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: moment of hope, this moment of destiny, and then on 59 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: that very night you have this black police officer, Hollis Montrose, 60 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: shot ten times by four white police officers, and it 61 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 2: makes the reader ask the question, now that we've elected 62 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: a black president, Are we really living in a post 63 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: racial America? And it is one of those things, Steve 64 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 2: that even in the chapter preceding the shooting in the book, 65 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: Attorney Bolie Cooper is talking to his wife and he 66 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: said when he was on the plane coming home that 67 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: a white gentleman said to him, you and civil rights law. 68 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: It seems like you're gonna have to change your profession 69 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: now that we got a black president, because they won't 70 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: be any more civil rights issuers. And you know, it 71 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: was foreshadowing, really, Steve, because you think about the pushback 72 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: to the election as the first black president and what 73 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: we're dealing with in America today. So not only was 74 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 2: I trying to create a legal thriller, but I wanted 75 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: it to be a historical footnote for America. And that's 76 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: why I think we're getting such rave reviews. And it's 77 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: still there's so much fuzz because you think about what's 78 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: going on in America today and the book is a preachy, 79 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: but you have the characters doing the trial talking about, 80 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: you know, a black president and still we're dealing with 81 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: these issues. 82 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: Hey man, this ain't in none of the talking points 83 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: out and read or nothing like this. But let me 84 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: ask you a question. Man's Bodley Cooper your all to ego. 85 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: Whatever? 86 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, now what I. 87 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: See, Well, there's a lot of similarities, man, But he's 88 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: a fictional character, but a lot of similarities. And I 89 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: will tell you this, Steve, the real reason I started 90 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: writing these books. I wanted to create this franchise with Urga. 91 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: Marsh is my personal hero. And he once said that 92 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: most people would never know what actually happens in a 93 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: courtroom while you're fighting for the constitutional rights and the 94 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: liberties of marginalized people. So he would always write his 95 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: legal memos and his brief to be engaging because he 96 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: wanted to engage people to be able to learn. And 97 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: what could be more engaging than a legal thriller. 98 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, man, hey crump, stay right there, we gonna 99 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: come back more. Tell you all how y'all can get 100 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: your hands on this book right after this Steve Harvey 101 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: Morton Show. 102 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: You're listening Steve Harvey Morning Show. Life is unpredictable, but 103 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: protecting your family doesn't have to be complicated. 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He's joining us with talking about it. 118 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: What we found out through listening to him in the 119 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: previous break is that the main character Bowley Cooper is 120 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: to me to meet this is Benjamin Krump with a 121 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: K phone. 122 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: That's what it is. 123 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: Now. He from Houston, Texas, Timmy the Lawyer. 124 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: Hey, listen, go ahead, go ahead, Steve. 125 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: I want to tell you too, Fred, and I tell 126 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: you so many times now. You inspired me in a 127 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: lot of ways. And even writing this book. You inspired 128 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: me because what you do every night with Family Few 129 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to do with this novel. You 130 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 2: engage people by entertaining them, and then they are educated. 131 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: I can't tell you how much I learned live watching 132 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: Family Few, laughing with you, but really learning about different 133 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: categories and different things. And so that's what I endeavor 134 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: to do. I you know, we all predict they're already 135 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: starting to talk about the movie rights of the now. 136 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: For you know, we want to be able to engage people, 137 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: educate them, and that is the biggest thing. If I 138 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: can have young people be inspired to be civil rights 139 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: lawyers the way you know, to Kill a mocking Bird dead. 140 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 2: For me, when I was a little in those Parent 141 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: Mason TV shows I used to watch with my grandmother 142 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 2: and now, well you know, John Grisham, Lincoln Lawyer and 143 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: all of this stuff inspiring young people because God knows 144 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: we need civil rights lawyers in America today. 145 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: Wow, well, brother, listen to me, man, we know it's 146 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: going to be a big hit. Now listen up, everybody. 147 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: This book debuts on the seventeenth of February, which is 148 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: next Tuesday. Next Tuesday, February seventeenth is debut of the book. 149 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: You can pre order it right now on Amazon. Just 150 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: go on and get your Amazon app open. I got 151 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: that app. I know how it works, and just punch 152 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: in Worse than a Lie by Attorney Benjamin Crump and 153 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: pre order it on Amazon. And let's make this a here. 154 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: Let's let's give him back some support like he's given 155 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: us over the many, many years. Ladies, gentlemen, this is 156 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: the Steve Harvey Morton Show. This is the one and 157 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: only Attorney Benjamin Crump. 158 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: In the building. 159 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate you, dog. 160 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: I'll let you. Steve Harvick. We love you. We appreciate you. 161 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: Hey boy, we appreciate you too. 162 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: All Right, we'll have more of the Steve Harvey Morning 163 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 3: Show right after this. You're listening to Steve Harvey Morning Show.