1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: the parties are divided in terms of the effect that 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: the stimulus is going to have. This inflation debate has 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: really been heating up the effect of what the Biden 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: administration is spending on political capital. Bloomberg Sound on the insiders, 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: the influencers, the insights, a group of centrifts are the 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: key senators to watch Jill Biden get. Number one focus 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: in addition to the COVID health crisis is jobs. I 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: don't quickly have red roads and blue roads. And that's 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: the way we're looking at this. Schoomberg Sound on with 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: Devin Surling on Bloomberg Radio. Pandemic turns a corner this 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: as the lawmakers on Capitol Hill get ready for the 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: final countdown to send one point nine trillion dollars to 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: President Biden's desk, But at what cost? An exclusive interview 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: with Senator Shelley Moore, Capital, the top Republican on the 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Senate Environmental Protection and Workers Committee, and we check in 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: with Congresswoman Abigail span Burger, Democrat from Virginia. Great lineup 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: plus Adam Gibban joins me and Genie Shans. They know. 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Sirlia. I am the chief Washington 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Out of 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,639 Speaker 1: Gibbon's with me, national GOP media strategist and Edward R. Murrow, 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: Senior fellow at Toughs University. Adam, I didn't know that. 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: Congrats on the new gig and Genie Shanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributor. 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: Let's start tonight with the big story, and that is 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: that lawmakers are inching closer to final passage finally of 26 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: that one point nine trillion dollars stimulus sending the bill 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: to President Biden's desk, likely sometime within the next eight hours. 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: I've got sounds on this from Barat Rumorati. He is 29 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: the deputy director of the National Economic Council for Financial 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Reform and Consumer Protection. Take a listen to what he 31 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: said a White House earlier. The President and the Vice 32 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: President have made it a top priority to ensure that 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: this round of small business relief has distributed more equitably 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: and that the companies that may not have gotten relief 35 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: before have a real shot at getting relief now. That 36 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: was barrat Rama Mariti. And meanwhile Jen Psaki also is 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: asked about people getting some economic relief. Here's the White 38 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: House Press Secretary earlier today weighing in with sound on 39 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: that we are doing everything in our power to explite 40 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: the payments and not to lay them, which is why 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: the President's name will not appear on the memo line 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: of this round of stimulus checks. The checks will be 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: signed by a career official at the Bureau of Fiscal Service. 44 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: This is not about him. This is about the American 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: people getting relief. I want to know how fast they're 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: going to get them. Republicans very skeptical of just how 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: much money is in this bill, and not just the 48 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: price tag of the bill, but also that funds are 49 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: in the bill that have nothing to do with COVID nineteen. 50 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Liz Cheney, Republican, she had this to say, with 51 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: regards to wasteful spending, we are going to be saddled 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: with a burden, UH, spending burden and a tax burden. 53 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: UH that is really indefensible from the perspective of what 54 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: it actually accomplishes. Earlier today, I caught up a Senator 55 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: Shelley Moore Capital. She is a Republican from West Virginia. 56 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: I mean we're in the Senate and and I asked 57 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: her point blank, I mean she went to the White 58 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: House folks with President Biden and a group of other 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: Republican senators a couple of weeks ago, and what they 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: were pitched was a deal to negotiate with regards to 61 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: the trillion from one point nine trillion dollar stimulus. I 62 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: asked her, if she feels that this is a final 63 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: plan that she can ultimately support, if it has bipartisan support, 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: take a listen to what she told me. Five serious concerns. 65 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: First of all, we had five packages that we had 66 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: done bipartisan in the past over the past year. Covid 67 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: Um help and relief on the health side is exceedingly important. 68 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: This all has like nine percent that goes to vaccines 69 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: and testing and therapeutics. The rest is just a wish 70 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: list of of of filling up buckets for basically the 71 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: Democrats as they've been moving into taking over the majority. 72 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: And and so that's deeply disappointing. The other thing on 73 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: it is, I I think that if you look at 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: school's money, for instance, there's a lot of money still 75 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: left in the schools that we put into a place, 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: and at the end of December, yet we're putting another 77 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: hundred over a hundred billion dollars into our schools and 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: a lot of them still aren't open. So I'm very frustrated, 79 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: not just with the process, but I went to the 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: White House with nine other Republicans to say, let's negotiate, 81 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: and we were basically shut out. So where where does 82 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: the process stand now? Is this all about a done 83 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: deal likely signed now? I think it's totally done deal. 84 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: I think it's it's It's too bad too, because this 85 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: is if the president and his UH and his inauguration 86 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: speech said he wanted unity, he represents all the people, 87 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: he represents all UH all viewpoints, and yet when we 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: it into a point where we can really negotiate with him, 89 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: and he had us to the White House to do 90 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: just that, it falls very, very flat. So even as 91 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: this is happening, there's other conversations that are brewing, particularly 92 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: on funding for infrastructure. How have those preliminary talks been 93 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: going on funding for infrastructure? Well, I'm on the EPW Committee, 94 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm the ranking Republican there and I work with our chair, 95 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: Senator Carper. We had a surface transportation bill that we 96 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: passed a year ago that was totally bipartisan twenty one 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: to nothing, had a lot of really good things in it. 98 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: That's gonna be our base bill that we're gonna start with, 99 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: and we're gonna start out by partisan uh. And then 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, it'll move to the Finance Committee to talk 101 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: about the funding mechanisms. Now I'm reading like you are 102 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of speculations as to what's going to happen. 103 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: But I'm determined to do this the way we've always 104 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: done it in the past, which is working together I 105 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: think the American Society of Civil Engineers. But a price 106 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: had somewhere like three trillion dollars. It's a lot of money, 107 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: especially after this latest simuls wrong. Yeah, I mean we've 108 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: already and probably in excess of four trillion on the 109 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: on the coronavirus pandemic. Uh. And here we're coming up 110 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: to something that we normally pay for, which is infrastructure, 111 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: surface transportation, water projects. Uh. There's already been a lot 112 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: of money in broadband. I mean, I know we need more, 113 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, sure, if you had a wish list, 114 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: we'd all say we want four trillion dollars. But we 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: gotta be realistic here in terms of infrastructure and digital infrastructure. 116 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: In particular, President Biden several weeks ago issued executive orders 117 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: for trying to to make sure that the United States 118 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: diversifies its supply chain from China, especially with the semiconductor 119 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: chip shortage. Is this a BIPARTI isn't concerned. Absolutely. I 120 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: mean we actually have had several votes on that, and 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: we had them previous to this administration. This is really important. 122 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: I think what we learned in the pandemic in terms 123 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: of supply chain, maybe not semiconductors, but swabs and uh, 124 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals that we need to produce in this country when 125 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: we have an emergency. Well, we're being held hostage basically 126 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: by countries in particular China in terms of our lack 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: of production and have the supply chain for our high 128 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: tech industry. So let's move it back here. We can 129 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: make it, and we can do uh, we can do 130 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: it very well and create a lot of jobs. How 131 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: do you even sentivize companies to bring them back here 132 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: so that they so that we can diversify Well, I think, 133 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: first of all, I think American companies basically want to 134 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: produce in the United States. I think it's gotten away 135 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: from US over the years because of cost issues and 136 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: and other, uh, very clever ways that China has been 137 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: able to attract our American businesses. But I think now 138 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: we're realizing that with that attraction comes a lot of 139 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: handcuffs in terms of losing your um intellectual property, in 140 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: terms of uh, you know, the investments in terms of 141 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: disclosures that our companies have to do. But you know, 142 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: if the shoes not on the other foot, I think 143 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: they'd rather do business in this country. Senators, in more capital, 144 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: you've tried to do something very difficult here in the 145 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: halls of Congress, which is to work across the aisles, 146 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: try to in a very polarizing time on issues like 147 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: supply chain diversification, like infrastructure, to try to really thread 148 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: that needle. And yet is it becoming more difficult in 149 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: this post stimulus climate. Well, you know, if you think 150 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: about it, at Senate is very very rare and has 151 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot of power, and if you have if you 152 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: need another ten votes to get a bipartisan bill across 153 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: the across the line, it's a big challenge. But let's 154 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: look back at what we were doing before we got 155 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: to split. We passed a lot of big a lot 156 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: of big items that were bipartisan, Criminal Justice Reform, Great 157 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: American Outdoors Act, all kinds of things that we all 158 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: had buy in on. We that's what we should be doing. 159 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: We should be buying for that bipartisan sweet spot, so 160 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: to speak, and realizing you can't get everything now. I 161 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: understand there's pent up demand on the other side, but 162 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think what's best 163 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: for the country is if we work together. Democrats say, 164 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: get rid of the filibuster. You say, say, no way. 165 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: If we don't have the filibuster, the minority has no say. 166 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: I was in the House for fourteen years total majority 167 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: driven and and kind of a wild place. You know, 168 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: I love it over there. But you know, the Senate 169 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: was created to be more deliberative and to be able 170 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: to find the way to negotiate, and I think that's 171 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: we should go back to where our strengths were. That 172 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: was my conversation with Senator Shelley Moore Capito, a Republican 173 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: from West Virginia. Adam, give men, you were listening your reaction, 174 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: I was, I was not in my head about every 175 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: ten seconds. She's right, on Shelley Moore. Capito, by the way, 176 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: is the daughter of former Governor arch Moore. Actually, my 177 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: will date me goes way back to my first political experience. 178 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: Arch Moore needed to work with Democrats as well as 179 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: Republicans to start rebuilding the state of West Virginia, which 180 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: I think he did a tremendous job of of back 181 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: in the day when the registration was so pro Democrat 182 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: in West Virginia that he couldn't operate any other way. 183 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: But it worked, and it worked well. She's right about 184 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: kind of with more of a centrist message, Kevin that uh, 185 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: the President did, unfortunately ignore when the ten Senators came, 186 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: had that me in the White House, it could have 187 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: really been an amazing shot in the armor by partnership. 188 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: It was not. And now what we're left with is 189 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: we see that no Republicans, not one, have voted for 190 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: the bill, and either the Senator of the House not one. 191 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: So this isn't an American belief plan. This is a 192 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: Democrat relief plan that's grounded as much in politics as 193 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: it is in purpose. We just heard, i think from 194 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: the Senator and also from Adam Um, what is going 195 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: to be the Republican talking point is we go into two, 196 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: which is this is she said to you a wish 197 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: list for Democrats and a little bit for COVID, and 198 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: they're going to try to keep making this case. Unfortunately 199 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: for them, the polls work against them. This is a 200 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: bill supported by six or seven out of ten Americans, 201 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: including vast majorities of Republicans. So I'm curious to see 202 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: how they do that. And I would also say on infrastructure, 203 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: I was so glad you asked her about that. My 204 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: big question is are they going to try to get 205 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: things passed with sixty votes, break them off broadband other things, 206 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: or are they going to try to go for the big, 207 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: big bill's And I don't know how they do the 208 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: big bill to be candid, especially with the political capital 209 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: expended that the Republicans are saying, hey, should he used 210 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: us for for stimulus? Much more coming up next plus 211 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,479 Speaker 1: congress Woman Abigail Spenberger. I'm Kevin Sireli. This is Bloomberg. 212 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surreli on Bloomberg Radio. 213 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Surrelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and 214 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio, accompanied by Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie shan Zano. 215 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: I just got word that our next guest is on 216 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: the line. We welcome her back to our national program. 217 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: Congress Siman Abigail Spenberger, Democrat from Virginia, Cagres Swiman is 218 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: great to be here. You know, we just heard from 219 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: Senator Shelley Moore, Capita, a Republican and West Virginia, who 220 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: was very critical of the Biden administration in terms of 221 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: whether or not they negotiated with Republicans in a good 222 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: faith effort on the stimulus and she said she she 223 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: would have hoped that President Biden would have done more. 224 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: I take it you have a different assessment of those negotiations. Well, 225 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: I am always a fan of bipartisan negotiations. I think 226 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: it's important that we bring as many voices to the 227 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: table about how we solve and address uh, both our largest, 228 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: most expansive problems, but also uh, you know, everyday issues 229 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: that we need to work on through legislation, um ultimate 230 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: at leave. This is about keeping the momentum going that 231 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: we have in what we're seeing back home in our communities. 232 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: Relatives to the virus. We need greater support for vaccinations 233 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: and the deployment of vaccinations. We need support to schools, 234 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: We need support to you know, to those who are 235 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: facing unemployment. The current unemployment benefits are set to expire 236 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: this weekend. UM. So, while I'm always a fan of 237 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: UH negotiations and efforts to bring as many people to 238 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: the table as possible, time is of the essence in 239 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: responding to this crisis. So, you know, as we pivot 240 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: now to the post stimulus talks, infrastructure in particular comes up. 241 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: How much money should American taxpayers be prepared that they're 242 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: going to have to pay for to get infrastructure accomplished. 243 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: I think it's I think the question that I will 244 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: be asking myself when I'm looking at the programs and 245 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: the ideas that are going to be put forth through 246 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: the process of ongoing infrastructure discussions will be what are 247 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: the investments that we need to make in our country? 248 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: What are the places where we are really falling short 249 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: of of of where we should be as a nation? 250 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: Our report card on infrastructure is not a good one. 251 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: And what are the places where investing in our nation's infrastructure, 252 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: be it roads and bridges, be it broadband internet, UH 253 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: in community is like the one I represent, will in fact, 254 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: long term, uh be so beneficial to the larger economy. 255 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: And so what investments are we willing to make and 256 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: do we recognize as necessary? And you've been probably one 257 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: of the most uh at the forefront of cybersecurity in particular, 258 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: in particular for digital infrastructure in the Democratic Caucus. You 259 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: previously served in the CIA prior to your time as 260 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: an elected official congressman. I mean it should how important 261 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: are some of those themes for the internet, for digital 262 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: infrastructure to be included in the broader infrastry extra package 263 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: that we're not just talking about roads and bridges. Yeah, 264 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: so I think there's there's I would have a couple 265 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: of comments to make in response to your question. First 266 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: and foremost, there are communities around the country, including in 267 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: central Virginia just a short drive from Washington, d C. 268 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: In the counties I represent, where people cannot get internet 269 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: hooked up at their home. It's just not possible. There's 270 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: there's no business case to be made for local providers. 271 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: And so there are homes across my district where people 272 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: can't get internet. Um, and so the basic infrastructure that 273 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: allows for kids to be able to work from home, 274 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: or people to be able to work from home, or frankly, 275 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: our farmers and producers to be able to use precision 276 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: agricultural technologies that require Internet hookups. Those things are lacking. 277 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: So that basic infrastructure. I mean that laying of fiber 278 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: like that is as basic of an infrastructure as laying 279 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: a telephone wire, or as putting a road down that 280 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: leads from point to point. It is just in the 281 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: digital sense. Uh So that's that is firmly and clearly 282 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: an issue of infrastructure and how we safeguard the Internet, 283 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: how we recognize the threat that exists in the twenty 284 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: first century, or even that exists uh you know right 285 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: now in that becomes a much bader discussion some of 286 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: its basic Internet infrastructure security UM, and and that that 287 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: will be I think a discussion that needs to be 288 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: had um outside of the larger infrastructure conversation that will 289 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: need to be uh you know, going through committees homeland 290 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: security that will need to be recognizing threats from from 291 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: non state and from foreign actors that might seek to 292 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: uh you know, target vulnerabilities within our larger infrastructure. But 293 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: but I don't think that there will be UM. The 294 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: crux of those conversations I don't believe will be part 295 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: of the you know, the actual investments in building it out. 296 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: Congresswoman is Jeanie z Know in New York, and it's 297 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: such a pleasure to talk to you as somebody on 298 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: the Foreign Affairs Committee. I wonder given your advantage point, 299 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: and as we look around the world, um, not just 300 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: in terms of cyber attacks, and you know what we 301 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: saw with solar winds, but even more broadly, where do 302 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: you see us vulnerable? And do you see a will 303 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: to work across across the aisle to address some of 304 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: those vulnerabilities, whether it's China or elsewhere. So we continue 305 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: to be vulnerable to disinformation campaigns frankly, UH, and this 306 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: is a major issue because they're not as clear in 307 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: their offensive nature, in the way that they attack the 308 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: very foundation of our democracy and the information that the 309 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: American public can or can't trust. And just to give 310 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: an example, there's been recent reporting that UH, Russian intelligence 311 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: services are pushing out disinformation related to the fighters vaccine 312 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: um and that is unbelievably Wait a minute, I got 313 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: to come in here. They're pushing false and for the 314 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: Russians are pushing Boston information on getting people vaccinated. I mean, 315 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: how how do we how do we hold them accountable? 316 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: First they were doing solar winds, now they're doing vaccines. 317 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: I mean, and this is part and parcel. And I 318 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: think what what has at times been frustrating for me 319 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: is if they had be at Russia, via China, viet 320 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: any nonstate actor, um, if a foreign entity had in 321 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: fact bombed American infrastructure or build American citizens, right, we 322 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: would be rallying together recognizing this threat. It's a shared threat. 323 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: We are Americans. They are attacking us, but they continue 324 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: to and you know it's well documented out in public 325 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: reporting in the Mulla Report. Systematically they endeavor to push 326 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: disinformation campaign that seeks to divide American public, seeks to 327 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: misinform the American public, seeks to make them look better. 328 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a whole idea of reasons 329 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: why they engage in this sort of behavior. But it 330 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: is an attack on the information that Americans can and cannot, 331 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: um you know, accept with the public. Se this is 332 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: such a great question united in that sense that they 333 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: are they are assaulting the foundations of what we can 334 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: trust in our country. And I think that every American 335 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: should just be horrified and offended by let me let 336 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: me follow up here, because when when the Chairman of 337 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: the Senate and Cell Committee, Mark Warner, was on this 338 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: program just the other week and we were talking about 339 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: solar winds and he proposed conressm Abigails Mamburger, Democrat from 340 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: Virginia with us. He proposed utilizing whether it's to NATO 341 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: was his example, to create some type of international rules 342 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: of the road as it relates to cyber He used 343 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: the example of when there is armed conflict, when there's 344 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: war people, if there's a red cross, Uh, if there's 345 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: a red cross on an ambulance, uh, folks agree that 346 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: they aren't growing to harm that vehicle. Should should do? 347 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: We need to have some type of an agreement because 348 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: the idea of of of of meddling in whether or 349 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: not Grandma gets a vaccine, it's just abhorrent, that's right. So, 350 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: without knowing the full scope of Senator warner Uh proposal 351 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: or whether or not it's kind of drawn out into 352 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: actual policy, UM, in principle, yes, he's exactly right, He's there. 353 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: There aren't rules of the road. You know, we in 354 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: talking it through it it sounds ibhorrent and talking it 355 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: through it sounds just unthinkable. But the reality is that 356 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: without rules of the road, it's it's totally permissible. And 357 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: without rules of the road, it's also then difficult when 358 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: we see foreign individuals advertising on social media platforms that 359 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: have a usership here in the United States or elsewhere, 360 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, and and notably when you have information campaigns 361 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: and paid advertisements out there. I actually let a build 362 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: and Gris or Leaville in Congress that's focused on when 363 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: you share information. Um, you should know well on the 364 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: foreign agent side, if a foreign agent chooses to purchase 365 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: ads and information within a social media networks, that that 366 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: it should be clear right that that you know who's 367 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: buying what adds. But so frequently when you share ads 368 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: that that doesn't get shared. You know, you can't track 369 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: what started as a promotional thing. And you know, we're 370 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: used to seeing and I'll use Twitter as an example, 371 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: you're used to seeing promoted if something is put before you. 372 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: The same thing on Facebook, but depending upon the platform, 373 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: when you share pieces of information, what was clearly promoted 374 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: and I knew someone had paid to put it before 375 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: my eyes if I share it and it gets to you, Kevin, 376 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: then you think that that's something that I really think 377 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: it's important. You don't know that eventually that initially someone 378 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: paid for me to see it in the first place, 379 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: and so that paid content becomes far more grass roots 380 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: feeling and often sick feeling, even though it's story as 381 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: an advertisement. Now that they've got the fake videos like 382 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: that Tom cruisting that went viral. Congresswoman Abigail span Burger, 383 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: Democrat from Virginia, I can't thank you enough. This is 384 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: such an important interview on an important conversation, especially as 385 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: the misinformation in cyber continues. We really appreciate you stopping by. 386 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: That's Congresswoman Abigail span Burger, Democrat from Virginia. Genie. I 387 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: love that question that you asked her because it it 388 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: really and the point that she made afterwards about revealing 389 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: who is behind advertisements. I go back to my days 390 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: on the campaign trap when I was in Iowa and 391 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: I would see an ad in Jen Jacob's country in 392 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: Iowa that would say, you know, vote for Canada X. 393 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: But if you're on a social media platform and you 394 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: see an attack ad, it doesn't say paid for by 395 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: the Russian government, but it should. It should, And I'm 396 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: so curious her view on the appointment or pending appointment 397 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: of Lena Khan and Tim wou and whether this is 398 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: an indication that we're going to see a more as 399 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: of regulatory agenda coming out of the Biden administration as 400 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: it pertains to security, but also the tech giants overall. 401 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: You know, that would have been a great question. We 402 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: always never enough time, never enough time. Adam Goodman has 403 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: been listening. He's a GOP media strategies out and I 404 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: would take it that on the intel front, that's probably 405 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: an area where Republicans and Democrats agree. Do we have that? 406 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: I think yes? So sorry, UM, you never have to 407 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: apologize to me. I'm sorry, don't get off speaker speak. Um. 408 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: By the way, that was a great interview, and you know, 409 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm obviously I'm a Republican. I really enjoyed hearing representative 410 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: talk about a number of those subjects, including the problems 411 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: we have with cyber warfare. You know, but when you 412 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: talk about ads and he's behind an AD, you know, 413 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm an AD maker, So I'm starting to thank Oh 414 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: my god, I mean, all these years might ads have 415 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: been playing? There are the ones on the other side 416 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 1: of the of the aisle that has been fighting might 417 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: add um no, but it sounds of in terms of cybersecurity, obviously, 418 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: this is a unifying you know value you might say 419 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: in America. It was good to hear again the representative 420 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: of the way she addressed that She's right, and I 421 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: think we have to address it was serious purpose. Jennie, 422 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned just the broader the Securities and Exchange Commission 423 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: nomination or the rumored a nomination from from Biden and 424 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: that Politico report in terms of of of Lena Kahn 425 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: and what that would represent, especially in the GameStop era, 426 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: in the era of Democrats like Senator Warren calling to 427 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: break up big tech, and in the era of the 428 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: post Trump Republican Party, UH, where they're calling on Section 429 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: to thirty reforms. That really could be a marker, so 430 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: to speak, in this particular UH, in this particular moment 431 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: for the sec and for the Biden administration, it could. 432 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: And you know, it is a big shift from what 433 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: we saw from the Obama administration. So as much as 434 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: people talk about Biden as you know, Obama two point 435 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: oh in some respects, this would be a big shift away. 436 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: And of course Donald Trump's presidency, to your point, has 437 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: a big role in that. And and and I love 438 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: what Adam said, and I think it is an area 439 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: where we've seen this, you know, bipartisan agreement on the 440 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: need to do something from two different perspectives. Now again, 441 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: if she's nominated, if this goes through, and if there 442 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: is this movement, it's certainly something that big tech is 443 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: going to be watching closely. I'm doing a class right 444 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: now on political risk, and we were talking about this 445 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: all day because the risks to these tech companies as 446 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: we look at what happened in Australia recently and you 447 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: move some of that over to the US, that is 448 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: big news well in terms of the risk also, I mean, 449 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: do you think that Silicon Valley just miscalculated about five 450 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: or six years ago in terms of the onslaught of 451 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: conversation that they were going to be faced with you professors, 452 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: I do. I think they did. I think they tried, 453 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: but they were a little bit late in terms of 454 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: self regulation. Now they're asking for some sort of regulation, 455 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: but I think it's a bit too late. And when 456 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: you see a confluence of Democrats and Republicans on this, 457 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: as we have it's coming down the pike. We've seen 458 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: it in Europe, We've seen other parts of the world. 459 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: It's coming here, and I think it's it votes enormous 460 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: change both economically and technologically for these companies. All right, 461 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: let's let's reset here. My name is Kevin Ceili. I'm 462 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio. I'm 463 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: joined by Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeannie Schanzano and Adam Goodman. Uh. 464 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: He of course is a longtime Republican media strategist. And 465 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: you know, Adam, you've got a column out on the 466 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: Hill talking about political risk for Governor Andrew Cuomo, the 467 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: rise and the reckoning. This has been a story that 468 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: has really been gripping New York City in particular talk 469 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: of the politics. Uh, I mean you you describe it 470 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: as a slow motion car crash where the unthinkable becomes 471 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: the inevitable. He's not resigning though, Adam Goodman, do you 472 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: think he can hold on? Uh? He can't hold on 473 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: when when this first, when everything starts, he can and 474 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: and and you know, denial is a very strong, very 475 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: strong reaction and put in the public universe to the 476 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: pressure and crisis. There's it's it's total denial. What what 477 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: was happening when when we went beyond the nursing home, 478 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: I would call it a scandal because it was really 479 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: a cover up and into the first allegation from Lindsey 480 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: Boylan about sexual harassment, and I saw the reaction of 481 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo and I actually did a lot of research 482 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: on to remember all over again about his past and 483 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: the family and everything. He has an entire history, Kevin. Uh, 484 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: you might say bullying and harassing as a weapon or 485 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: as a tool of governing. Not a weapon, but a 486 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: tool of governing. And so when the first accuser came 487 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: out on the sexual harassment front, the first thing I did, 488 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: uh the governor and his team he denied it. Then 489 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: they went and attacked the accuser, you know, textbook, They 490 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: attacked the accuser, trying to muddy her. And then the 491 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: second uh he said, and then the third and while 492 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: doing the second allegation hit I've seen this before. I've 493 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: seen this, and so have you. Uh. You go back 494 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: to Herman King when Herman came ran for president and 495 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: the first allegation surface saying he was inappropriate with a 496 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: with a woman professional in the pression professional environment. UM, 497 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: and he denied it. I said to the team, I 498 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: was actually on the Herman King team for six weeks. 499 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: It was a great SIXTEK assignment. UM, and I said, 500 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: you've got to come out right now and say, if 501 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: there's anything I've ever done that was taken the wrong way, 502 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm so profoundly sorry. They told me I'm out of 503 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: my mind. Tea party has are never agreed to, you know, 504 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: anything like that. It sounds like capitulation. And I said, 505 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do is you're going to encourage other women, 506 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: if there are other women involved, to come forward. And 507 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: of course he did. That's what happened with Andrew Cuomo 508 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: when he went after the first accuser. I said, here 509 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: we go again, and now we're up to six accusers. 510 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: The sixth one has been identified death, but has come 511 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: forward apparently today. Um. And he keeps saying that he's 512 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: done nothing wrong, that this is just about the way 513 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 1: it was interpreted in today's world. He's done and the 514 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: fact that he's not taking these women more seriously means 515 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: others who he's probably either harassed or other people he's 516 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: worked with, that he just kind of brutally harassed. The 517 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: BHAs beyond sexually arressed. Uh. These people are now coming forth. 518 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: He has done, done, done. The only question is, when 519 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: you're in this position and now you're fighting for legacy, 520 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, playing for a fourth term as governor anymore, 521 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: you're playing for legacy survival, how do you kind of 522 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: bow out gracefully and hold something of your reputation attack 523 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: That will be the subject of my next column. Out 524 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like when you're on air with me, 525 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: but Jeanie's you know. I mean, it's it's fascinating to 526 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: hear behind the scenes inside of a political operative, give 527 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: us a glimpse into what a previous campaign in this 528 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: situation a Republican uh, to give us a behind the 529 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: scene seat of those internal conversations. But from your perspective 530 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: in New York, I mean, what are you hearing? I 531 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: love hearing Adam talk about Herman Kine in the six weeks. 532 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: It brought me back. Um, you know a couple of things. 533 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: Number one is be careful what you wish for if 534 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had been re elected. I'm not so sure 535 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: that Gavin Newsom and UH Andrew Cuomo maybe having the 536 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: difficulties they're having. They seem to have some kind of cover, 537 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: if you will, when everybody was focused on Trump. So 538 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: there's that. I think there's also the fact that Adam 539 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: Ray's fourth terms have never been good for New York governors. 540 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: And as somebody who's lived here a long time, I 541 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: can tell you this is you know, the worst kept secret. 542 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: And you know, go back to Joe per Coco, go 543 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: back to the Moreland Commission. This is somebody who has 544 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: been skirting the edges for a long time. Interestingly, however, 545 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: I talked to several Democrats today. They still, you know, 546 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: Andrew's door quasins. Others have called for him to step down. 547 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: They still, I'm talking people on the ground like what 548 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: he did during COVID. They put the nursing home thing aside. 549 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: They like what he did, and they feel to a 550 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: certain extent that this is not scientific. But they feel 551 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: this is something of a partisan attack on Cuomo. So 552 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: I think he's going to try to play that, but 553 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: I think the fourth term is probably done. He's going 554 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: to fight for legacy, and his publisher has said they're 555 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: not going to be pushing that book anymore. That's I mean, 556 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: and we I mean, and and you know, I hear 557 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: the humor and I know, I mean it's but a 558 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: lot of people, especially in the halls of Congress. I 559 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: mean I was up there today and they're not laughing 560 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: about that about those nursing homes, and so I I 561 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand deaths or more, and we we don't know. Actually, 562 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: so it is, you know, the sexual harassment allegations are 563 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: incredibly serious. That is deadly, and so they it's serious. 564 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: It's it's very serious, and it's definitely a story that 565 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: we have been carefully keeping tabs on, and we will 566 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: continue to monitor that situation as well as the situation 567 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: out uh In in California with what's going on with 568 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: the recall. All right, coming up next, we the panel 569 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: stays and we talked more policy and politics. I'm Kevin Cirelli. 570 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On with Ken 571 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. My name is Kevin Ceili. I'm the 572 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: chief Ashton correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio. I'm accompanied 573 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: by Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Shnzano and Republican media strategist 574 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: Adam Goodman. I want to talk about US and China relations, 575 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: but I really do want to want to talk about 576 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: a story that I alluded to yesterday seventeen point one 577 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: million Americans tuned into that Harry and Megan story. But 578 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: it is fascinating to watch how this has reverberated this week. 579 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: A royal marriage was never going to end racism. Pankaj 580 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: Mistra writes on Bloomberg Opinion and the issues at this interview. 581 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean, regardless of your opinions on them panel, but 582 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: the issues that this has raised. Uh And and I 583 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: think the Wall Street Journal put it team winsor versus 584 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: team celebrity. I mean, it's it's fascinating. The Queen put 585 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: out a statement today. It is like anything that I've 586 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: experienced in in uh covering politics for for that matter, 587 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: to see just how rocky this relationship with the royals 588 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: has become. Genie, I'll let you start. It is so 589 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: so fascinating because one thing I've heard from friends I 590 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: have overseas is that the view, it seems from the 591 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: United States is much much different than it is from England. 592 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: And that's been stunning to me. And so there you know, 593 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: whether it is you know, they are much more protective 594 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: of the Queen, which is understandable. She's a beloved figure 595 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: over there. Um, you know, the view over here is 596 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: very different, and I keep wondering would it be different 597 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: if this had happened, you know, say, before the Me 598 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: Too movement, before Black Lives Matter? How much has that 599 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: played into it? But it has been like a you know, 600 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: a sort of a just a storm over here. And 601 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: now that they's played over there, are I'm hearing that 602 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: the feedback at least or the response over there is 603 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: very different in terms of putting it in a broader 604 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: conversation about different cultures Americans in the UK, atom and 605 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: and attacks on institutions. I mean, what are you what 606 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: are you gleaning? Because I also think here there's been 607 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: a polarizing response. Hillary Clinton waited on this, White House 608 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: Press Secretary and so occulated on this, and they were 609 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: appearing to be more sympathetic to Prince Harry and Meghan 610 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: than Republicans were. I'm curious at for for your analysis. God, 611 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: that's a great question. Uh to two responses. One, you 612 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: use the word institutional. We've had a disintegration of the 613 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: institutional killers in society over the last you know, attended 614 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: twenty years uh Pew research. I think is the one 615 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: that does that great survey uh once or twice a year. 616 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: And only three institutions quote unquote are above the approval line. 617 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: They happen to be small business, the military, and depending 618 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: on the day police, everything else the Supreme Court are 619 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: public schools. Everything else political is below the cut line. 620 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: So one is it's sad to see once again an 621 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: institutional piller of the world, in this case the royal 622 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: family being shredded by this interview. I think the optics 623 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: are not intended, by the way, are unfortunate because here 624 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: you see a royal family is going into royal lashing 625 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: from Harry and Megan, while Philip may be playing for 626 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: his life and nine nine years of age in a hospital. 627 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: And so when uh, Jennie and I'll call Genie professor 628 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: because I noticed when she makes a good point, heaven, 629 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: you always say professor. It's very rare. And I learned 630 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: from her every day. I'm just a kid from Delko. 631 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: Go ahead. So when when when the professor was my 632 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: dad told me over the week, I jump in the 633 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: nutshell here, go ahead. So when the professor was talking 634 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: about the reaction of me, I totally get that. I 635 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: totally get that, and I also understand the reaction here 636 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: in America. But I hope we take from this not 637 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: something that's titillating, as we see again the imperfections, the 638 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: human imperfections of a family, but that we asked the 639 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: larger questions here moving forward, where when you come And 640 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm always in a like so many people 641 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: in the field, Kevin, I'm asked all the time, well 642 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: can you tell me about so and so or so 643 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: and so? And I always say no. It's why I 644 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: never wrote a Kiss and Tell All book. I think 645 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: it's a violation of what I think is an unspoken 646 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: oath I take when I work with candidates, which is 647 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: to keep confidences. That's no longer the case anymore. And 648 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: I think with all the law being aired out, it's 649 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: so smart, so easily. It's it's just unfortunately has collateral 650 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: damage in this case at a time when roll family. 651 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: I do want to get back to geo politics today. 652 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: I do you think the story is important? I do 653 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: think the story does warrant airtime. And I think the 654 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: question that I've been asking myself, uh and and as 655 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: this is reverberated, is the talk of the town seriously 656 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: and nothing like it to be up on Capitol Hill 657 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: and people talking about the royals. But the question is 658 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: can how you deliver a message overshadow the importance of 659 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: the message. That's what I keep thinking about is the 660 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,479 Speaker 1: mechanism you choose to deliver your point. Does that ever 661 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 1: overshadow your point? Whether it's a politician communicating via social 662 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: media or a royal couple sitting down with you know, 663 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: a news icon. I don't know. I don't know. Um, 664 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: all right, let's move on. So there's this massive story 665 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: on the Bloomberg terminal with regards to the US and China, 666 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: and delegates are delegations for both countries that they are 667 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: going to be talking to each other. So here we 668 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: go again. They are they are now going to be 669 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: talking to each other, Jennie. One of the threads that's 670 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: emerged over the past couple of weeks on this program 671 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: is the differences between the Trump administration and the Biden 672 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: administration in terms of not the tone, but the actual 673 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: tactics of what they if there are any differences, and 674 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: how to negotiate with China. There appears, as we just 675 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: heard on this program with Senator Shelley Moore, Capital and 676 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Spamburger to be a lot of agreements in terms 677 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: of policy from a national security perspective and a manufacturing 678 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: perspective to protect supply chains from China. It's fascinating to 679 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: me because it's something I've asked you and several other 680 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: people repeatedly, is what is the difference between the Biden 681 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: administration's approach to China and to your point, what is 682 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: is equally becoming clear. I don't know what the difference 683 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: is yet, but what's becoming clear is that there is 684 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: this sort of odd, widespread agreement in the United States 685 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 1: amongst Republicans and Democrats, that we do need to protect 686 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: ourselves for China. It's something that goes back several years now, 687 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 1: but I do think Donald Trump played a key role 688 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: in bringing that to the forefront. But how we do that, 689 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: There's still is not a clear path, at least in 690 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: my mind, on how we do that. And of course 691 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: there's this new sort of fictional book out in the 692 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: last few days talking about a potential you know, world 693 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 1: War three, if you will, between China and the US. 694 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: So the fear, because I always look to fiction and 695 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: film and those kinds of things, the fear is palatable 696 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: and it's real. But what we do about it is 697 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: the thing that still seems unclear. And I'm not sure 698 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: I've ever gotten a good answer from Joe Biden on that. 699 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Adam, come in here, because because 700 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: everyone's favorite uh topic up on Capitol Hill to to 701 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: fight with is China, especially on from a rhetorical standpoint, 702 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats. So what what are you going to 703 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: be looking for for how the Biden administration navigates sort 704 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: of the opening bids, so to speak. One of the 705 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: things that I've tried to bring to this coverage is 706 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: the importance of the upcoming Beijing Olympics and how there 707 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: are now lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who 708 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: are raising questions as to whether or not they should 709 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: still hold the U should participate in those Olympics. Um, 710 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: but this is a really tough, tough issue in a 711 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 1: global economy. Well, you know, I see this whole situation, Kevin. 712 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: I don't know why it occurred to me. It was 713 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: almost like the transition in New York City going from 714 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,439 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani's marriage to Michael Bloomberg, where you went from 715 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: a kind of a revolutionary tough taking down all, you know, 716 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: things that stood in the way of progress. To someone 717 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: who really managed the revolution, you needed both parts. Uh. 718 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump really started this. He was tough, He was confrontational. 719 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: First president in in half a century that really took on, 720 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: you might say, the China question. Now, the question for 721 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: President Biden is what to do about it, how to 722 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: take how to respond to that with remedies and resolutions 723 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: that that take a you know, really play on the 724 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: now emotion of the moment, which is we've kind of 725 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: had enough and we want things to be fair again, 726 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: and we want to be strong, uh, and we don't 727 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: want to be pushed around. And I think those are 728 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: those are new questions that you might say more of 729 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: a management mentality, and Joe Biden might be ready to 730 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: take on as opposed to the revolutionary in this case, 731 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: was Donald Trump No more drama. March's Women's History Month, 732 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Radio is looking back at some of those 733 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: who played a vital role in American history. Here with 734 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: today's installment is Bloomberg's Pretty Young On This Day in 735 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: Women's History. In nineteen fifty nine, Ruth Handler, a co 736 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: founder of Mattel introduces Barbie to the world. She brought 737 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: it to crowds that the American International Toy Fair in 738 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: New York. The inspiration for the doll began when Handler 739 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: was traveling in Europe and her fifteen year old daughter, Barbara, 740 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: spotted a German lily doll. But as the years went on, 741 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: Barbie would be mocked as outdated and sexist, and criticized 742 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: for ooting a largely white, gendered image of beauty with 743 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: an unrealistic body image. But in Mattel started to become 744 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: more inclusive when it introduced the first black Barbie, and 745 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: today Barbie's dolls come in more than twenty skin tones, 746 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: close to a hundred hair colors, a dozen eye colors, 747 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: and five body types. Those changes served Barbie well because 748 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: in Barbie generated its best sales growth in two decades. 749 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: Ranita Young Bloomberg Radio by thanks to the panel and 750 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: journalism lost a giant. Today, Roger mud passed away. He 751 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: was a network news anchor, correspondent and he comoderated met 752 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: the press. He was I'm Kevin surreally, this is Bloomberg