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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, and welcome to the drive here

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Speaker 2: on a Wednesday, West Shuler and Matt Williamson with you

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Speaker 2: for the next two hours on your twenty four to

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Speaker 2: seven home of the Black and Gold and Matt right

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Speaker 2: out of the gate here kind of to the news

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Speaker 2: of the day. Yeah, if you will, pretty significant development

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Speaker 2: for the New York Jets and their offensive line guard

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Speaker 2: Elijah Verk. Tucker suffered. The Jets fear that he suffered

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Speaker 2: a season ending torn tricep and is getting a second

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Speaker 2: opinion to confirm the injury to see if surgery is

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Speaker 2: necess He went down with that same season ending injury

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Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two. It was on the opposite arm.

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Speaker 3: However, I didn't realize that was the same injury.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but regardless, not great timing, not a great kind

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Speaker 2: of start of this campaign for the Jets.

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Speaker 3: No, so that's probably the biggest NFL news of the

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Speaker 3: day across the league, let alone Steeler related, and it's

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Speaker 3: super Steeler related. Of course, I feel for the guy

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Speaker 3: because he's had like assuming this is a major injury

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Speaker 3: and it's what it's reported to be, which if just

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Speaker 3: watching Schefter's timeline, it doesn't sound promising for Vera Tucker.

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Speaker 3: This is bad for them. This is really bad for

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Speaker 3: them because one of the strengths, even just big picture,

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Speaker 3: you know how I am my team build and I

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Speaker 3: respect the heck out of the Jets. Going back to

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Speaker 3: back offensive tackles that Steelers did the year before, it's

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Speaker 3: the Saints did it this past two. It's a great

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Speaker 3: way to start from the bottom up. But that he

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Speaker 3: was one of the guys that were actually in place

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Speaker 3: before this regime took over. Still young should be entering

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Speaker 3: his prime. Also, a former first round pick tackle at

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Speaker 3: tenth best guard when he's out there. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: a really good player. And you got these two tackles,

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Speaker 3: you got him, you got Tipman at center. It's like

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Speaker 3: we got four fifths of a lot like the Steelers

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Speaker 3: the left guard.

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Speaker 2: See them all might be right now, but right develop absolutely.

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Speaker 3: You think you have four high draft picks here that

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Speaker 3: that's eighty percent of my starting line, much like the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: You know it. McCormick and Fraser and the two tackles.

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Speaker 3: And it's hard to count on him period because he's

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Speaker 3: had like three major injuries, major injuries like this. You

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Speaker 3: mentioned the tricep and he's the right guard, so he

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Speaker 3: won't get much of Cam. Assuming Cam Heyward plays, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to operate under that assumption until further notice.

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Speaker 2: Until one o'clock on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I always look at left guard versus right

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Speaker 3: guard versus Steelers because the Steelers, less than any team

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Speaker 3: of league, move their defensive lineman around. Left guard gets Cam,

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Speaker 3: right guard gets whoever else you know. But still, I

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Speaker 3: mean that should be one of your strengths, you know, like,

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Speaker 3: if we're on the Jets Audio Network, what are some

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Speaker 3: individual matchups you like in our favor I Like, if

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Speaker 3: you're a Tucker versus someone other than Harmon, you know,

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Speaker 3: whoever that's going to be a young guy or whatever,

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Speaker 3: well that's probably flushed. And as much as they're gonna

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Speaker 3: run the ball this year, he's probably their best run blocker.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a big deal to a season that's

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Speaker 3: kind of teetering on the brink to begin with.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I completely agree. I mean, it is

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Speaker 2: absolutely the last thing that they were hoping for. Happened

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Speaker 2: at Tuesday's practice, according according to Adam Schefter, And I

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Speaker 2: think you're absolutely right, Like the mantra for the Jets

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Speaker 2: this year was going to be to run the football,

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Speaker 2: control the clock, keep your defense off the field. You've

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Speaker 2: invested in that offensive line, you've got justin field to

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Speaker 2: start there. Yeah, and you know fields does that well

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Speaker 2: They've got a pair of talented running backs there in

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Speaker 2: catchers they I mean, we like Garrett Wilson, but other

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Speaker 2: than that, it's it's a very thin and unproven wide

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is almost like a worst case scenario

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Speaker 2: And that drugs from underneath your feet. And he's like,

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Speaker 2: And it's that same kind of like we have talked

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Speaker 2: With a new quarterback, new offensive line, new coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: First round right tackle making his first career start against

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Speaker 3: DJ Watt, it'd be nice to have your right guard

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty pretty much. It's it's hard to

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Speaker 3: So I think we mentioned you in this, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, like, who can you most or least afford

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Speaker 2: You try and frame it in a way, right, let's

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Speaker 2: call him most important? Yeah, not at least we can't afford.

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Speaker 3: To Well, I don't really want that guy get hurt,

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Speaker 3: you know, like Metcalf might not be better than Ramsey,

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Speaker 3: It's still run the ball and they get those dudes going.

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Speaker 3: Quent And Williams is really important, Sauce is really important.

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Speaker 3: But Vera Tucker is definitely in the top five. Yep,

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Speaker 3: you know, yep, big, it's huge.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a massive loss for the

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Speaker 2: which brings the local interest here to that even to

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Speaker 2: I can't. I cannot imagine a scenario where he plays

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Speaker 3: We're just looking to your point, if we're just gonna

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Speaker 3: look at it from a selfish Steelers Nay, you know, Lens, Well,

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Speaker 3: I think there's pretty good chance he's not playing Sunday. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And for you know, like you said, for some of

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Speaker 2: an easier sledding to begin there, certainly on the interior

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Speaker 3: And I know we'll talk a lot of individual matchups

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Speaker 3: and scheme stuff, of course leading up to the game,

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Speaker 3: but one of my biggest concerns, or one of my

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Speaker 3: Jets path to victories would Ben they just keep running

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Speaker 2: Fifty rush yard, right, one hundred and seventy rush yards.

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Speaker 3: And Cam's huffing and puffing, and Benton's upper bodies an

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Speaker 2: Absolutely that that kind of path to seeing a Jets

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Speaker 2: victory feels like it just narrowed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the ways that the Jets could win this game.

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Speaker 2: They just kind of took a big piece off the board.

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Speaker 2: Sure in terms of you know, rushing for like we

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Speaker 3: And I would say there's a human element of it.

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Speaker 3: Like in my other podcast, we were just previewing this

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Speaker 3: Thursday night game, Well, what do you think Dallas's locker

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Speaker 2: Getting on a plane on a runway somewhere in Dallas

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Speaker 3: In their head and Mike is not on the flight.

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Speaker 3: We could really use that guy, We really get the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl champs. Yeah, But I mean it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: It's a different circumstance and the team didn't betray you

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Speaker 2: But oh man, we're starting shorthand yeah, right out of

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Speaker 3: That's a problem.

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Speaker 2: The other news of the day that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: this this edition of the Drive more of a larger

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Speaker 2: NFL issues, something that I think we have hinted upon

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Speaker 2: and discussed this offseason. The idea that the NFL going

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Speaker 2: to an eighteen game regular season schedule with two preseason

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Speaker 2: games felt inevitable, well not according to the interim president director,

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Speaker 2: I should say part of me of the NFLPA. David

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Speaker 2: White is his name now. He is the interim director.

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Speaker 2: Important to note, but still interim director of the NFLPA.

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Speaker 2: He told the Associated Press today that he has not

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Speaker 2: had they have not had any conversations with the NFL

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Speaker 2: about expanding the length of the regular season. David White

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Speaker 2: said that he had a productive meeting with Roger Goodell,

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Speaker 2: that they have an open and respectful line of communication,

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Speaker 2: but that specific issue has not been brought to the

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Speaker 2: table yet. We haven't talked about it yet, and it

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Speaker 2: certainly is not inevitable and should not be presented as such.

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Speaker 2: That's the exact kind of quote there that stands out.

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Speaker 2: We haven't talked about it yet, and it certainly is

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Speaker 2: not inevitable and should not be presented as such. And

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Speaker 2: he also referenced the current CBA, which doesn't expire until

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Speaker 2: twenty thirty one. Right, I don't know how much of

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Speaker 2: that is just direct their speak bargaining, right, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think you believe that they haven't had the conversation officially.

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Speaker 3: I'm table, yeah, actually worked hash this thing out exactly

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Speaker 3: how it would work and what you're getting and I'm getting.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't change my tune one bit. It's first

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Speaker 3: I ever heard that. It doesn't change my tune one bit.

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Speaker 3: That it's coming. I mean, I believe that wholeheartedly, and

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Speaker 3: I can even lay out how I think it's going

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Speaker 3: to go. But to me, who benefits the most from

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Speaker 3: You know, if more revenue comes in, the owners benefit

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Speaker 2: Back on the drive here as we roll along on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chief Chargers, Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Chargers this year. So the couple good games there to

438
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Speaker 2: kind of kick off this new opening Friday tradition super quick.

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Speaker 3: They got two little programming notes. First off, we are

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Speaker 3: back on YouTube if you've been listening via podcast.

441
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Speaker 2: Said we should have probably said that at the start

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Speaker 2: of the show. We got our guy TV with us

443
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Speaker 2: in the booth again.

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Speaker 3: Care business over there behind the scenes that Brazil game

445
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Speaker 3: Rubs me wrong. Why so I understand because the Chargers

446
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Speaker 3: of the home team. You fine, everybody, the Steelers are

447
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 3: losing a home game because they're going overseas. Chargers are

448
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: gonna lose our home game because they go overseas.

449
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 2: Furthest home game they'll ever played.

450
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Speaker 3: But it shouldn't be a division game, Yeah, I mean,

451
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: you only get three home games in the division. One

452
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Speaker 3: of those means more.

453
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Speaker 2: You really don't like that at all, because I'm sure

454
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Speaker 2: you probably get this too. But around this time every year,

455
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Speaker 2: you know, like training camp into the preseason late August

456
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Speaker 2: time frame, family members, friends, people will ask me.

457
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Speaker 3: What's the one game I should go to?

458
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Speaker 2: Sure, Like, if I can only go to one Steelers

459
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Speaker 2: home game this year, which one should I go to?

460
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Speaker 3: I like, my mom would pick one, like, oh, Nashville

461
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 3: looks fun, right yeah right?

462
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Speaker 2: And you know, this year I think is a little

463
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Speaker 2: different because, man, that Sunday night game against the Packers

464
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Speaker 2: with the Aaron Rodgers storyline feels like a little bit

465
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Speaker 2: of a cheat, right, Yeah, sure, the future Hall of

466
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Speaker 2: Famer against his old team for the first time. I

467
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Speaker 2: also think Thanksgiving weekend at home against the Buffalo Bills

468
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Speaker 2: is a pretty pretty juicy one to take it to

469
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Speaker 2: get to circle. But my first answer is usually a

470
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Speaker 2: division game, right, those are always intense, they're close, they're

471
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Speaker 2: good battles.

472
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Speaker 3: You're more in the standing, they mean more in the standings.

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Speaker 2: There's like that familiarity and that contempt with the opposing

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Speaker 2: fan base.

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Speaker 3: Right, Harbor off our first read, I mean like these.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's not.

478
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Speaker 2: Let's not send those ones out of out of ten,

479
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Speaker 2: out of country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the Chargers get short changed on that double. Yeah, well, anyway,

481
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Speaker 3: we got stuff to get it, Harbaugh, deal with it.

482
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Speaker 3: Pass Yeah, you'll be fine.

483
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Speaker 2: Uh Matt, NFL dot Com putting out their quarterback Week

484
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Speaker 2: one Power Rankings index. Now they rank them, but then

485
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Speaker 2: they also break it into tears. If that makes sense

486
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Speaker 2: as well too.

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Speaker 3: I hope. I have to remind you. We go thirty

488
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Speaker 3: two to one around.

489
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Speaker 2: You go thirty two to one around here. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate the back.

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Speaker 3: So I assume they'll do thirty two. I can't believe

492
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Speaker 3: they just for a year. I assume that they're gonna

493
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Speaker 3: do all the projected starters.

494
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Speaker 2: All thirty two projected starters, eight different tiers.

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Speaker 3: Because like usually I have a hard time they put

496
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Speaker 3: rookies in there, but you gotta put thirty two. You

497
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Speaker 3: gotta put the rookies if you know Kim Ward and

498
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Speaker 3: those guys. You know, so all right, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Bottom tier. Tier eight has three people in at thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler.

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Speaker 3: I think he has to be thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Thirty one Daniel Jones, whoa and thirty formerly of this

503
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Speaker 2: parish justin Fields.

504
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Speaker 3: Wow, surprised.

505
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Speaker 2: Rattler doesn't surprise me, but Phil and Daniel Jones being

506
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Speaker 2: at the absolute bottom of the barrel is a little surprising.

507
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rattler has ability, Like I know, you're a college guy.

508
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Speaker 3: He was like a big time recruit.

509
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Speaker 2: He's got an armed Oklahoma in South Carolina.

510
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's a legit prospect. And back in the

511
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: day there was talk about him before his senior year.

512
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Speaker 3: Oh he's gonna be in the first round, you know,

513
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Speaker 3: like we're talking about these guys that are coming out now.

514
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Speaker 3: So I don't know that he's junk, you know, I

515
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Speaker 3: still want to see him. But he has to be

516
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Speaker 3: thirty two on the list because he's a massive unknown

517
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Speaker 3: and he's not a high he's not. Cam Ward Jones

518
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: seems super safe, and for some reason he is. But

519
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: he's too safe. He turns down a lot of throws

520
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 3: and he's a really good runner, but he's less aggressive

521
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Speaker 3: the older he gets, and I don't think that's a

522
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Speaker 3: good thing for him. I'm not sure Fields belongs with

523
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Speaker 3: those guys. I don't think so. And I think as

524
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Speaker 3: much as they're going to run him, he's harder to

525
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Speaker 3: play against than those two.

526
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you and I were starting a team

529
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Speaker 2: and we could have any of those three, that's an easy,

530
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Speaker 2: easy for Justin Field.

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Speaker 3: He still has a chance to be the answer for somebody.

532
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Speaker 3: Jets are not Tier seven.

533
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Speaker 2: They have a lot of these either rookies or largely

534
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Speaker 2: unproven second year.

535
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Speaker 3: Guys or like, where do you put J. J. McCarthy

536
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Speaker 3: at number twenty nine?

537
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's where he is, But even still having him

538
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Speaker 2: ahead of Justin Fields, to me seems off of.

539
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Speaker 3: What I mean, if this was next week, you at

540
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Speaker 3: least have a game.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is nothing, right twenty eight, cam Ward

542
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, Michael Pennix, that's your Tier seven.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean this is really the incomplete grade. It's

544
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Speaker 3: it's the I played three games. They were good. I

545
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: have hoped for him, but that's not enough to be like,

546
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Speaker 3: I know, I have a strong evow on him. Field

547
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: should be above those guys. I think he should doo right,

548
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Speaker 3: I maybe he should be the bottom this upcoming tier

549
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Speaker 3: that I'd understand.

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Speaker 2: And that's where I was kind of thinking too, because

551
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Speaker 2: this upcoming tier Tier six only has two names in it. Okay,

552
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Speaker 2: twenty five and twenty six twenty sixth ranked Russell Wilson,

553
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Speaker 2: twenty fifth ranked Joe Flacco.

554
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Speaker 3: You can see why they're tearing them.

555
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Speaker 2: You know, these are I even think that might be

556
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Speaker 2: a little rich for Flacco, though.

557
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Speaker 3: I would say Flacco would be lower for me. Yeah.

558
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Speaker 3: I mean, people remember when he was comeback Player of

559
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Speaker 3: the Year for the Browns two years That.

560
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Speaker 2: Was two years ago. Dak Prescott was also an MVP

561
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Speaker 2: runner up two years ago, right, I mean how much

562
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Speaker 2: weight does that hold with people now?

563
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Speaker 3: And to be honest, if you really break down the

564
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Speaker 3: Flacco tape when he was comeback Player of the Year,

565
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Speaker 3: it's cool story comes off off the couch. I mean,

566
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Speaker 3: he wasn't even with a team, and this is like

567
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Speaker 3: with eight or not they pulled him out of nowhere

568
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Speaker 3: and he's chucking it all over the field. But he

569
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Speaker 3: had so many turnover worthy throws that he got away

570
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Speaker 3: with and they laid junk defenses like it couldn't have

571
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Speaker 3: gone better for him, because I think this year you're

572
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Speaker 3: gonna see him out there being really aggressive and it's

573
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Speaker 3: not gonna be as lucky, you know. I mean, I

574
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Speaker 3: don't think that's gonna go well. And I think Russ

575
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 3: is still a better player than him too. I get

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Speaker 3: where they both are at in their career. They're both

577
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Speaker 3: probably holding the four down for a young guy dart

578
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Speaker 3: or Shad or Gabriel or next year's first round pick,

579
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Speaker 3: and no one's gonna count on them ever to be

580
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Speaker 3: more than a stopgap guy at this point. But I

581
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Speaker 3: would much rather try to win a game with Wilson

582
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Speaker 3: than Flaco.

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Speaker 2: Completely agree. Tier five also just two names and it's

584
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Speaker 2: year two guys with some expectations. Okay, twenty four Caleb

585
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Speaker 2: Williams twenty three, your boy Drake, may.

586
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Speaker 3: I get it. I mean, they got the first and

587
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: third pick in the draft last year, don't those I

588
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: don't hate those smells for them, especially because where we're

589
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: at in the year. They've played zero games in twenty

590
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Speaker 3: twenty five, so I like that they're tiering similar history

591
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: resumes together and still have a lot to prove. I

592
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: thought May was a way better player than Williams last year.

593
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: I mean, just watching both tape, I would I thought

594
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Speaker 3: May was the better guy and had way less around him.

595
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: But putting them together cool. You know.

596
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Speaker 2: Tier four has three names in it twenty two Trevor Lawrence,

597
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Speaker 2: twenty one mister Rogers, Aaron Rodgers himself, and number twenty

598
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Speaker 2: tou a tag of viola.

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Speaker 3: Understand it two is an interesting one because it is

600
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: an interesting one.

601
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Speaker 2: If I know he's healthy and going to play sixteen

602
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: or seventeen games, I might have him a couple spots higher. Yes,

603
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: but there's just so much potential volatility there.

604
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Speaker 3: Let's stick with him because he is very, very much

605
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: a system quarterback. Yes, you asked him to do Bruce

606
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: arians seven step drop b big ben, shrug guys off,

607
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: chuck it down the field, big arm. He would fail,

608
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: but I don't. And that sounds like a negative. But

609
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: Joe Montana's system quarterback. I mean, like that's what good

610
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: coaching is. I mean, Brady to some degree, was a system.

611
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: Cour Let's marry the system to our quarterback. And Miami's

612
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: done that well too. If you stuck this square peg

613
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: in a round hole, it would go bad. Well don't

614
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 3: then you know what I mean, I don't know where

615
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: to put Rogers. He'd be won of the heart. I mean, yes,

616
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Speaker 3: our steerler loyalty aside, he's probably the hardest guy to

617
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Speaker 3: rank on this whole thing.

618
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: He's the hardest guy to rank that isn't like a

619
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: first or second year guy with little little to no tape.

620
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Speaker 3: Right exactly because the tape is weird lately and there's excuses.

621
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: But he's also got a lot of MVPs and he's

622
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Speaker 3: gonna moon walk into the Hall of Fame.

623
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Speaker 2: It was pretty good of those last six games last year,

624
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: Right struggled mightily before that.

625
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Speaker 3: Who else was in that tier?

626
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Speaker 2: Who's the twenty two Trevor Lawrence?

627
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm I get heat for my buddies, but I

628
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: am still a Lawrence apologist believer. I would have him higher.

629
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Speaker 3: He'd be like fifteen for me.

630
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's get into tier three here, which is

631
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: a much larger tier. Number nineteen Bryce Young.

632
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'd take Lawrence a thousand times over brycele I.

633
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: Think I'd take a couple of those guys behind him.

634
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: I think I'd take Tua over Bryce Young, Aaron Rodgers

635
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: over Bryce Young.

636
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: Now, he finished the season.

637
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: But he finished the season playing much better, by far,

638
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: his best football that we've seen in his two years

639
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: in the league.

640
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: Now, before that stint, he was like the worst quarterback

641
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: in the Elite. Yes, you know, like that's not that

642
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: far removed. And if you look at the defense as

643
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: he played, they were really bad. So that's not his fault.

644
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you could nitpick a lot of these guys. Well,

645
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: he didn't play the best. Get whatever you play. He's

646
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: out there, but he's still and it's a Wilson little

647
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: guy problem. Does not throw in the middlefield. He just

648
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: doesn't see it and probably never will. I would not

649
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: want to build my team around him. I'm much rather

650
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: roll the dice ball building a team around Lawrence or even.

651
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Speaker 2: To eighteen Bow Knicks seventeen, Sam Darnold Okay sixteen, Kyler

652
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: Murray fifteen, Jordan Love.

653
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: No real object actions there. Knicks does not belong in

654
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: the Caleb Williams may.

655
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: He's a little more proven. Yeah, took a team to

656
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs and his rookie year.

657
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, got a lot better as the season went on.

658
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure Steeler fans remember Steelers Denver. He was struggling,

659
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: but he got a lot better as the season went on.

660
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: I think he's I've said this before and gotten burned

661
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: this time of year, but I think he's pretty close

662
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: to being over the hump of I think that's a

663
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: starting quarterback, you know.

664
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: A top fifteen, top twelve guy.

665
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: The next deck probably will be.

666
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: He won't be in the unicorn tier ever, but he'll

667
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: be in the pretty stick and good tier.

668
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: And that's a big hump to get over. Like I'm

669
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: not sure I'm there with Caleb Williams yet, Like that's

670
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: a starting test back, I'm not with. Who are the

671
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: other names? Real quick? I want see?

672
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: It was seventeen, Sam Donald's sixteen, Kyler Murray, fifteen, Jordan Love.

673
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: I think Love will be in the top ten and

674
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent believe that. And who wants to Murray?

675
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: Murray and Donald Donald's like almost like Rogers. I don't

676
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: know where i'd rank him, And again, he's a really

677
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: tough one to slot.

678
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: He could be twelve or thirteen by the end of

679
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: the year. He could also be twenty one or twenty two.

680
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: Right the day. We're not that far removed from him

681
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: being bad. But he had a really good year last year,

682
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: and Seattle trust him, and I understand.

683
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: Why fourteen to round out the top of Tier three

684
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: here fourteen Rock Party, thirteen Dak Prescott.

685
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's exactly where Party is and belongs,

686
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 3: which means he's worth the fifty seven million a year

687
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: or whatever, but gonna need some help. I'm still more

688
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: of ada guy than that because people don't give him

689
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: nearly enough credit for being as good as he is.

690
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: Above the shoulders, he's a microprocessor and they won't have

691
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: a running game and it probably won't go well, and

692
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: maybe they'll even be drafting one with They got four

693
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: first round picks over the next two years, so he

694
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: could be on his way out. Heck, he might be

695
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: the Steelers next quarterback. I don't know, but I still

696
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: think he's good.

697
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm with you too. I think he's one of the

698
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: more underrated players in the National Football I'm not saying

699
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: that he's one of those unicorns, but I think he's

700
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: a very good quarterback.

701
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 3: And being the Cowboys quarterbacks, like being the Yankee center fielder,

702
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: you know, like it's not as good as Roger or Troy, Like, well, okay,

703
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm in there, right.

704
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: Daron Judge is still leading the league at home runs

705
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: like all the time, right.

706
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: You know, like the Maggio to Mantle. I mean it's like, yeah,

707
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: they're pretty good.

708
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: So the reason why they have like fifty retired numbers

709
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: in the organization of.

710
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: The Romo debt with that all the time, all the time, Like, okay,

711
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you're still one of the best ten quarterbacks

712
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: in the league.

713
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: It's like if you play for the Lakers, Congratulations, you're

714
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: not Kobe Bryant, well g thanks.

715
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: Or you're not Kareem or Shack or whatever.

716
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, number twelve on this list, and Matt, you know,

717
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: I love this, finally getting some of the recognition and

718
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: respect he deserves. Gino Smith, our Lord and Savior, Eugene

719
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: Cyril Smith the third.

720
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: There's two or three names that I would put ahead

721
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: of him that we've mentioned. Dak being the top I.

722
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: Think so too, But but I like him being in

723
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: the top fifteen.

724
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: Oh, he's easy. Top fifteen, and I think I've would

725
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: do this on the air. I always say he's the

726
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: most most underrated player in the entire league. He's a

727
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: good quarterback. He's not an average quarterback. He's a good quarterback,

728
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: and no one ever looks at him that way.

729
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: You tell me that a lot. Arthur Motes tells me

730
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: that a lot. And at first I thought it was

731
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: just because I was a WU guy and you guys

732
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: were trying to butter me up.

733
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: But now I know you really mean it. I prefer

734
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: to do the opposite, and.

735
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: He was, you know, like, he was my quarterback my

736
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: four years at college. So that's my guy. Number eleven,

737
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, Number ten, Jared Goff. This is into Tier

738
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: two now, this is the bottom of Tier two. Tier

739
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: two is another thick tier here.

740
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: They couldn't be any more different. But I love that

741
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: they're right next to each other because, and again this

742
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: is a negative, they're both very system quarterbacks. Yeah, and

743
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: totally opposite type of systems to the absolute best teams

744
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: in the league, probably the two best offensive lines since

745
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: they've been there, and they went a lot, but they're

746
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: not Alan or Mahome. Yeah, those guys, you know what

747
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 3: I mean.

748
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: Honestly, if you're going to be a successful quarterback in

749
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: this league, you better be one of two things. You

750
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: better be a unicorn or you better be a system quarterback. Yeah,

751
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: that's really the only way to make it work long term.

752
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: Like if you swap those two, that'd be so much work.

753
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: Big time.

754
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: Number ten now and again this is still tier two,

755
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: but now into the top ten. Jared Goff at ten,

756
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: c J. Stroud at nine, Baker Mayfield at eight.

757
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: Okay, a lot of these guys I look at like

758
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: their stocks. Like right now, I'd be buying Trevor Lawrence

759
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: Stock because he's cheap. You can get him. At the

760
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: twenty second.

761
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: You'd be buying Jordan Loves Stock.

762
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: Loves another one, and Stroud's another one. Yeah. I saw

763
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: enough as a rookie with Stroud that I think he'll

764
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: be like top seven for his career, you know, one

765
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 3: of those type of deals. I've been reluctant on Baker,

766
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: but I give him a lot of credit. I mean,

767
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: he's tough as could be, He's been with a lot

768
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: of teams, already found a home that might be still

769
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: a smidge rich for me, though.

770
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: I think that's a smidge rich for me, But I

771
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: also think he's kind of earned it in a weird way.

772
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: They went to the division every year, you know, I mean.

773
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been to the playoffs five straight years the

774
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: Bucks have and that's continued in the post Brady, post

775
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 2: Bruce arians era and he's been that. And I know, again,

776
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: like I hate giving Baker Mayfield credit because his Oklahoma

777
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: Sooners stomped on my mountain in your heart every year,

778
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: and because he was a Cleveland Brown. You know, he

779
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: said double screw that guy. But man, his like first

780
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: five years in the league, he had fifty seven offensive coordinators.

781
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: He's now about he's now about to still have his

782
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: third offensive coordinator in three years with Tampa now because

783
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: they're having success and they're getting other jobs, not because

784
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: guys are getting fired. Yeah, But like I think he

785
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: has had you know, people people do this, have done

786
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: this a lot with some of the quarterbacks that the

787
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: Steelers have got. You know, the Steelers weren't fair to

788
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett, the Steelers weren't fair to Mitch Trubisky. The

789
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: Steelers weren't fair to Justin Fields. Baker Mayfield has been

790
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: able to say that throughout a large majority of his

791
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: career and has still found a way to be a

792
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: top twelve quarterback in the league.

793
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: Cup of coffee with the Panthers, Rams pick him up

794
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: off Waiver, I think, and played him like the next

795
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 3: day and he was okay, And now he's like found

796
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 3: a home in a way. I do like praising him

797
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: because the Browns us first over'll pick on me and

798
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: probably should have just stuck with him.

799
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: They should have, I mean, be in a much better

800
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: spot right now.

801
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: They would be right unless they ruined him. Maybe it's

802
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: you not me, you know what I mean? Who's the

803
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: other guy in that tier that we didn't talk about?

804
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: That was GoF ten, Stroud nine, Mayfield eight.

805
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: Oh okay, we got we hit all those dudes. Yeah,

806
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: you know that's you.

807
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: Ever seen the movie Anchorman, Yeah, that's seen at the

808
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: very end where Vince Vaughan is like holding Will Ferrell

809
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: on the on the ladder and he's like, I don't

810
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: like you, but I respect you. That's me with Baker Mayfield. Okay, Yeah,

811
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: number six respect number seven Matt Stafford and number six

812
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: to round out tier two or the top of tier two,

813
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: justin Herbert.

814
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that.

815
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: I'm cool with six and seven. There.

816
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm cool with that. I think Stafford's an easy

817
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. Not everyone seems to agree with you.

818
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that. I thought he was way

819
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 3: underrated in his Lions days too. You talk about swimming

820
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: upstream and getting the crap beat out of him and

821
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: having nothing around him. Now he's in a great situation

822
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: and winning like crazy. Like I hope he doesn't miss

823
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: it as a fan. I hope he's himself and then

824
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: can retire in his own time, not this back thing.

825
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: I probably would have Herbert five. I think there's four superhumans.

826
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure Daniels is five, which I understand because I

827
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 3: think he can be a superhuman, but I would rather

828
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: I think Herbert's better than him.

829
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: Right now, Daniels is five, and like, I don't hate that,

830
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: but I would not have him in tier one with

831
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: the other four. I would have him at the top

832
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: of tier two if you're gonna do it that way, right,

833
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: But he is.

834
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: Because that's praise, man. I mean, don't tell me you're

835
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: the same as Allan and Lamar and Mahomes.

836
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, and I know he just he

837
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: just tied Ben Roethlisberger's record for most wins by a

838
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback in their rookie season in league history rookie year.

839
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: But there's also still some of that you don't crown

840
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: anybody off of one year, no matter how great it was.

841
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: And he said it's a big Modes thing too.

842
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: Don't crown with him, like everyone was doing this with CJ.

843
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: Stroud last year. And it's not like CJ. Stroud fell

844
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: off a cliff, but he didn't take off in year

845
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: two like everyone expected to become a bona fide top

846
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: five unquestioned.

847
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like the Plexit last Prince Wife told

848
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: you about, you know, low the Texans took a step back.

849
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: I bet Daniels takes he took eight steps forward. I

850
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: take he takes half a one back, you know, like

851
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: every defensive coordinator in the league, especially his division, or

852
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 3: what can I do to screw with this guy?

853
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: I still think he's definitely going to be a top

854
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: ten quarterback in the league. He might just be closer

855
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 2: to ten than he's the five.

856
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's okay. And but of anyone on here,

857
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: could anyone enter the top would be the one he

858
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: has as good a chance as any.

859
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: He would absolutely, he would absolutely one, and then Matt

860
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: the four unicorns as you would expect. Here's how NFL

861
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: dot Com ranks them. Joe Burrow number four, Josh Allen

862
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: number three, Lamar Too, and Mahomes one. I don't hate it.

863
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: I think I'd swap Allen and Lamar, but yeah, I

864
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: don't hate it.

865
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: Splitting hairs.

866
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: I think I would be definitely a Borrow at four.

867
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: I think he's unbelievable and think I would.

868
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: Have, like, you got to keep Mahomes at one as

869
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: much as they got a respect, you have to. But

870
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: let me ask you this right now as we as

871
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: we round this exercise out.

872
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

873
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if this is like Madden video game style and

874
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: you're starting a franchise from scratch and you have the

875
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: first overall pick, yeah I might take Josh Allen.

876
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: I would understand it. I mean, I think ridiculously talented.

877
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: I think Mahomes might be the second best quarterback of

878
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: all time already.

879
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: I think he's number one.

880
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: Like I might take Josh Allen.

881
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 3: I understand it. I mean the thing people don't realize

882
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: about Alan and some of this is really true with

883
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 3: Lamar too, Like Mahomes came in the league and when

884
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: he was a starter was awesome. Like, you know, they

885
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 3: won the Super Bowls first year. I mean, like he's

886
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: never been bad. Alan and Lamar have gotten so much better.

887
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: Like Alan, for example, coming out Wyoming, he was really

888
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 3: low on my list. I'm like his accuracy, thinks, and

889
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 3: for a year or two with a bit Bills, his

890
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: accuracy was bad.

891
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: Going into his third year, they were asking a lot

892
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: of questions about him.

893
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: Heck yeah, And to his point, he's like one of

894
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: the post boys for the biomechanic quarterback movement of changing

895
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: your stuff, and he'd become extremely accurate. But he's always

896
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: had like three or four plays a game. You're like,

897
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: don't do that, Brett far you know, like putting the

898
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: ball in harm's way.

899
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: Just throw it away. Man, live to fight another down.

900
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: Now instead three or four, there's one. You know. So

901
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: he's still going to have the crazy gun slinger in him,

902
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: but now you know me, sacks are a quarterback stat.

903
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: I think I used to say equal to line. I

904
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: think it's even more now he's unsackable. You know how

905
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: bad a sack hurts your drive? He did, he took

906
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 3: he led the league. He threw his sacks last year.

907
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: He's got Ben Blake meant ability to shrug off the suggs.

908
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: He can run, but he's also way smarter, like I'm

909
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 3: just throw it away. You know, I'm not taking I

910
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: know how bad a sack hurts a drive. I'm just

911
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: not gonna take him anymore.

912
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: Doesn't take anymore, rarely turns it over anymore. That's why

913
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: he won the NFL MVT next and we could talk

914
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: about should have been him or Lamar whatever. Actually why

915
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: he won it is because his highlight tape was always amazing.

916
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: It hasn't changed at all, but his low light tape

917
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: was a head scratcher. Right now, the low light tape

918
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: is thirty seconds long. It's it's very quick, exactly, and

919
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: the highlight tape is still wow.

920
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: But meanwhile, Lamar has changed his game a lot too.

921
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a phenomenal pocket passer.

922
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: And the guy had forty one touchdowns and four interceptions

923
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: last year. And I'm like, actually, he'd be number three

924
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: on the US.

925
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: That's how good the quarterbacks are right now. So I

926
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: was actually having a similar conversation a couple hours ago,

927
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: and I said, even when both their athleticism inevitably failed them.

928
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: They'll still be great quarterbacks, Like they could just be

929
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford in the pocket now. They couldn't when they

930
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: came in the league. You know, they had to rely

931
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: on the gifts.

932
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: Which is like you said, those guys have really grown,

933
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: oh Man and gotten better since they came into the

934
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: National Football League. And I think a very deserved for

935
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: both of those guys, right on the heels of Patrick Mahomes.

936
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: So there's your initial quarterback ranking in tears. I don't

937
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: know if we'll do that every week, but.

938
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: We'll revisit that every couple.

939
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think every couple weeks too. We should

940
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: do a college football quarterback conversation like we like we

941
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: talked about now might be the time to buy stock

942
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: on arch Manning because everyone sold their arch Manning stock on.

943
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 3: Saturday that market crashed.

944
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: First kind of real game is the guy you got

945
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: to go to the defending national champions in one of

946
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: the most hostile environments in college.

947
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: Football against Matt Patricia, who.

948
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be writing that guy off just yet. Wouldn't be

949
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: writing that guy off just yet, Matt. We got to

950
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: get to break when we come back final segment of

951
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: the hour. On the other side, will continue to get

952
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: into a whole bunch of things. Actually, you put out

953
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: some interesting numbers on Twitter that I want to pick

954
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: your brain on.

955
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: I was finishing up Matt's stats last night.

956
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, tomorrow, tomorrow is going to be a heavy Matt

957
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: stats day here on the GI Document. Man, I'm gonna

958
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: need probably three hours and a glass of wine to

959
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: get through it. Later tonight, Les Hueler Matt Williams, and

960
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: it's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

961
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: Audio Network.

962
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: Your tune is about Drive on your twenty four to

963
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

964
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: Matt, we got to get our show clock here back

965
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: on schedule, So short segment here to reset for hour

966
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: number two.

967
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, we were rolling those first two.

968
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: Look at us, maybe it's like it's game week or something,

969
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: and we're we're a little excited and fired up and

970
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: plenty to talk about here on the Drive all week.

971
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: And I mean, really, we're hitting this point where like

972
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: the content is going to just be dropped in our

973
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: laps for the next twenty weeks. It is a very

974
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: fantastic time. It's like the whole offseason. We're like the

975
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: baseball player that stands in the batter's box with a

976
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: big donut around, and.

977
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: Finally we take.

978
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: The doughnut off and we just swing baby. Andrew tweets

979
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: us and says and it's he's got a screenshot of

980
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: what looks like DraftKings or some you knows sports betting,

981
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: sports gambling odds and ends here, and he says, based

982
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: on your guys conversation yesterday, this feels like it has

983
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: a lot of value. Aaron Rodgers over under twenty two

984
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 2: and a half touchdowns passing touchdowns on the season. For under,

985
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: he's getting a little less than two to one odds,

986
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: but not bad over a little bit more than two

987
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: to one odds. The number I came up with yesterday

988
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: was twenty seven and a half, and we were kind

989
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: of I think we both went slightly under.

990
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: I think was our I thought there was a really

991
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: good number, and I.

992
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: Do remember you giving me credit for that. Twenty two

993
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: and a half feels like a definite over, right.

994
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 3: I think. I mean, player props always lean towards under, folks.

995
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: Was one injury and you wear one injury? Yeah, yeah,

996
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: I mean again, so that being said, Now, he did

997
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 3: play seventeen games last year, and I don't think he's

998
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: just because of his age. I don't think he's more

999
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: injury prone than others because frankly, I also don't think

1000
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: he's gonna take that many hits because the balls had

1001
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: to come out and he you know, for better or worse,

1002
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna take.

1003
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: As many minimizing impacts.

1004
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: Sir Josh Allen, you know, of course, now if you

1005
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: didn't listen to yesterday's show, I can't quote this enough.

1006
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: For first of all, you didn't listen to yesterday's show,

1007
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: shame on you. For six weeks, since twenty twenty two

1008
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: fifty one regular season games, the Steelers have thrown forty

1009
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: six c lowis the NFL by a wide margin under

1010
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 3: one A game is sinful. I mean, that's really really bad.

1011
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: Can I have a counterpoint? Though, Yeah, Aaron Rodgers ain't

1012
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: justin Fields and Russell Wilson and Kenny Pickett and Mitch Tubisky.

1013
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: But a year ago I often made the joke, well,

1014
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: maybe they'll throw touchdowns this year, because Wilson throws a

1015
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: lot himself, and it wasn't terrible, it was better. But

1016
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: it wasn't pick at Trubisky doctors well.

1017
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: And especially when when when George Pickens.

1018
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: Went out last year that was a problem too.

1019
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: But that could affect this Aaron Rodgers thing too. Right,

1020
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: It's not just if he misses a couple games, but

1021
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: if k Metcalf misses a couple games twenty two and

1022
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: a half, though, feels like a I still.

1023
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: Would be over over because this. I mean, in his

1024
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: last fifty one games, Rogers has thrown ninety one compared

1025
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: to forty six for the Steelers.

1026
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: In early little Mats stats. Yeah for you.

1027
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not throwing Rogers under the bus, but they

1028
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: were I think they had the most passing attempts in

1029
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 3: the league last year. The Jets.

1030
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: They did like five hundred and twenty something.

1031
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: I want to say, give or take, and like Jets

1032
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: fans kind of like sour grapes. And he's had this

1033
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: reputation over his course of being in the NFL. He's

1034
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: aware of his stats. Let's just say that that if

1035
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: they're down on the three yard line, he may check

1036
00:46:59,360 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: to a throw.

1037
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: Hey, that'll help in this regard.

1038
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, right, Like, he ended up with

1039
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: a lot of touchdowns last year. Maybe they could just

1040
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: hand it off the Breeze Hall, you know, just it's

1041
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: kind of one of his reputations. Interesting, he's aware.

1042
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: Interesting. Well, we will certainly keep an eye on that

1043
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: as we roll along there. Good question by Andrew to

1044
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: close us down for the first hour, hour number two.

1045
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: On the other side, I've got some Matt's stats that

1046
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: I want to get into. We've also got to continue

1047
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: our NFC over and unders an hour number two plenty

1048
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: to get to as we roll along. West Shouler, Matt Williamson.

1049
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: It is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the

1050
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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network