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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. My name is Chris Poulette. I'm

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Speaker 1: an editor at how Stuff Works, and uh, as usual,

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Speaker 1: sitting next to me, I've got senior writer Jonathan Strickland. Howdy,

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Speaker 1: and uh I think we'll go merrily, merrily, merrily down

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Speaker 1: the stream. Yes, yes, we're gonna talk about video streaming online. Um,

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Speaker 1: you're probably familiar with the technology. Um, it's been around

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Speaker 1: maybe two seconds of it and then it stops, and

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Speaker 1: then you wait, and then you watch another second and

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Speaker 1: come back. Or if you have a fast internet connection,

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Speaker 1: like some of our friends out in San Francisco, you

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Speaker 1: don't even know what we're talking about because you just

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Speaker 1: watch it and it just plays as you're Actually that's

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Speaker 1: probably true for most people, right, anyone who's done on

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Speaker 1: You know, as long as the connection is pretty good,

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Speaker 1: you're you probably have seen streaming video without too much

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Speaker 1: of trouble. Yeah. But um, where we weren't really talking

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Speaker 1: about applications like YouTube when we were discussing what we

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Speaker 1: sites like Hulu dot com. Um. And for those of

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Speaker 1: you who are not familiar with Hulu, it is one

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Speaker 1: of several that we're gonna mention. Um. But basically, you

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Speaker 1: can tune in, watch a TV show, a movie. Um.

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Speaker 1: Really the whole thing, you know, supported by advertising. Uh,

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. Actually, yeah, it's in a tiny little window.

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Speaker 1: It's not we're not talking you know, full screen. Well

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's the fact that you have

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Speaker 1: access to this pretty large library of content, um, legitimately,

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Speaker 1: because you know, of violation of copyright laws. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is this is the actual content providers UM. In

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Speaker 1: the case of Hulu, UM, it's Fox and NBC Universal,

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Speaker 1: so you're seeing UM. In some cases it's way, you know,

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Speaker 1: go really, they decided to completely remake this. I know,

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Speaker 1: why remake perfection? You already have perfected people. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: episode of Ballstar Galactica, but I was a die hard

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Speaker 1: And I best theme music ever. It's the ringtone on

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Speaker 1: my phone, people, And that is not a joke. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: So anyway, but I was going to mention, so we're

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Speaker 1: talking about Hulu being legitimate to give you an idea

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Speaker 1: As a site that hosts episodes of various television shows.

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Speaker 1: you know what, this is just ridiculous, people are are

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Speaker 1: Sony Pictures, TV, National Geographic UM. So a lot of

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