WEBVTT - Star Wars: Maul – Shadow Lord S1E7 + E8

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<v Speaker 1>Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for episodes seven and eight

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<v Speaker 1>of Mall Shadow Lord. You warn't We're in it. Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Jasconcepcion and I'm Rosie Knight and welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive deep into

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>You from my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>We're bringing you three episodes a.

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<v Speaker 2>Week past news on Saturday. But today it's not news.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it kinda is, because we're going to be giving

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<v Speaker 3>you news from the mid Rim. Yes, it is more

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<v Speaker 3>Shadow Lord episodes one O seven and one O eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Me and Jason will be recapping them and reacting, and

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<v Speaker 3>then of course we'll be inviting super producer Joe Allen

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<v Speaker 3>to talk a little bit more about what's going on,

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<v Speaker 3>what questions she has, and what we want to see

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<v Speaker 3>from the final two episodes of Dave Feloni's newist Star

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<v Speaker 3>Wars animated show.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>More.

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<v Speaker 3>Chapter seven, The Call to Oblivion, the Superstar Destroyer hovers

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<v Speaker 3>over Jane's as the city is put into lockdown under

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<v Speaker 3>Empire forces.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love to see a Superstar Destroyer.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't lie like you love to see every it's

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<v Speaker 3>an ominous figure in the skies, but it makes you

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<v Speaker 3>feel excited as a Star Wars fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, an inspiring site.

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<v Speaker 3>Inspiring site deep under the streets of Janix, though, More

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<v Speaker 3>leads Riley and Devon to a certain kind of safety,

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<v Speaker 3>despite the fact that neither of them really want to

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<v Speaker 3>trust him. More offers to get the pair offworld if

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<v Speaker 3>they need it, but it's not enough to make Devon

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<v Speaker 3>trust him. Meanwhile, Daki and Lawson wander the streets looking

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<v Speaker 3>for their children. Bad dads, both of them not winning

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<v Speaker 3>on the dad front, like maure is with your child

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<v Speaker 3>the guy who looks like the villain from Insidious, like

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<v Speaker 3>that's who has your childrens the only sith that neither

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<v Speaker 3>of you know who runs a crime syndicate, like come on,

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<v Speaker 3>they look for the children, and Daki is basically giving

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<v Speaker 3>him like et Honestly, you know, I'm not a lawsome fan,

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<v Speaker 3>but Daki was giving him like the worst basist, like

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<v Speaker 3>just Jedi advice like will be peaceful, like blah blah

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<v Speaker 3>blah bah. Not useful, right this guy. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about this last week when you weren't here. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you think that the do you think that the show

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<v Speaker 3>is making Jedi philosophy look cool?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, so do you think that it is?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that this might be what it's doing

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<v Speaker 1>though very kind of subtly, is making it look out

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<v Speaker 1>of touch on purpose?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, I do think it's making it look out

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<v Speaker 3>of touch. And I do think specifically having the only

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<v Speaker 3>representation of the Jedib someone who's so by the book,

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<v Speaker 3>who doesn't even believe in like, you know, these aren't

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<v Speaker 3>the apples you're looking for. He doesn't believe in using

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<v Speaker 3>the force for anything other than like to protect civilians

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, actually I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think that's a really interesting point. I will say, yeah, Daki,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a very.

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<v Speaker 2>Old school guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not doing a great job. I don't really know

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<v Speaker 3>what's driving Devon. And obviously Maul is the most interesting

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<v Speaker 3>character here, and he's talking a lot more about the

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<v Speaker 3>juxtaposition between the dark and the light and the Jedi

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<v Speaker 3>and the Sith. So I think that, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that's to make more seem cooler, and it does, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, very interesting point. I definitely don't think the

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<v Speaker 3>Jedi are coming across well here. Also, I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>Daki is like the most obvious Jedi that should have

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<v Speaker 3>gotten got.

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<v Speaker 2>In Order sixty six.

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<v Speaker 3>I know we talk about how useless Order sixty six is,

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<v Speaker 3>but I feel like he's so obviously that Jedi, like

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<v Speaker 3>they should have got him, Like he shouldn't have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to get so under the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Rook Cast couldn't be madder that Maul was like, why

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<v Speaker 3>are you bringing these fucking children? Like why are you

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<v Speaker 3>bringing them to the lair like a cops child.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, Riley's name, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think because of Star Wars naming conventions, but it cracks

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<v Speaker 3>me up every time I.

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<v Speaker 2>See it r y l Ee. So it's really giving,

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<v Speaker 2>Like those women.

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<v Speaker 3>On Tumbler, you know, who have like Kaylee but spelt

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<v Speaker 3>the most arranged way you could ever imagine. Devin is

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<v Speaker 3>like I need to save my master. Who else will

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<v Speaker 3>give me boring Jedi advice that I will never.

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<v Speaker 2>Be able to who else will let me get arrested?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Who else amongst us would love let me starve?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Who will let me starve and get arrested? And More's like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>don't worry, just come off planet with me, which again

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<v Speaker 3>not a great plan, but he's also like, don't worry,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll reveal what my plan is when we get off planet,

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<v Speaker 3>like sure, sure, and Devon's like, okay, look, I'm not dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been around manipulative men with the force all my life.

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<v Speaker 3>And fortunately Mare doesn't really have time to play miss

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<v Speaker 3>the nice guy, so he shakes her trust a little

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<v Speaker 3>by force freezing her to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Her escape, which is very very.

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<v Speaker 3>I found this to actually be like a very scary

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<v Speaker 3>reminder of like who More actually is. Yes, he's not

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<v Speaker 3>actually like this kind of great liberator, he's not really

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<v Speaker 3>this conflicted person.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants her to be a weapon, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously that's this really great moment of conflict that's then

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<v Speaker 3>followed by this really fun action scene as they have

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<v Speaker 3>to fight alongside each other to get away from the Empire,

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<v Speaker 3>who turn up with an army of stormtroopers to take Riley. Then,

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<v Speaker 3>well this is crazy. We see the Inquisitor head back

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<v Speaker 3>out to finally try and achieve his mission, but he

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<v Speaker 3>is stopped by the Eleventh Brother, who, if you remember,

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<v Speaker 3>is the extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Bird mast Inquisitor.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like kind of like a bird skull debut entails

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<v Speaker 3>of the Jedi, and everyone was like, oh no, he's

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<v Speaker 3>so cool, We'll never see him again incorrect.

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<v Speaker 2>He's back, yeah, and now.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, Devin and Daki's fight is like, we've got to

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<v Speaker 3>get Riley back from the stormtroopers. Speaking of Riley, Snitch

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<v Speaker 3>bought two boots, has had his two boots taken off

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<v Speaker 3>of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine that they took his boots.

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<v Speaker 3>He licked the boots and they still took him and

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<v Speaker 3>is starting to realize that maybe calling in the Empire

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't the best, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>My whole my whole thing was like, let's call the Empire,

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<v Speaker 1>and it kind of feels like that was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Jason, if you're looking at that as like a

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<v Speaker 3>play by play, it's not looking good, right, Like there's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing good has turned out about it, and he has

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<v Speaker 3>essentially ended up in a position where he's like, now

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<v Speaker 3>they've kidnapped my human.

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<v Speaker 2>Nephew kind of and they keep being.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, we're gonna fucking wipe your memory, like shut the

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<v Speaker 3>fuck up, or we're gonna wipe your memory. So as

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<v Speaker 3>he's learning that, you know, reporting to the Empire was

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<v Speaker 3>not a good idea, Cast is basically on the other

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<v Speaker 3>side of things, convincing more that Devin just loves the Jedi,

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<v Speaker 3>like you're never gonna get her to be what you

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<v Speaker 3>want her to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there's someone else around like May who's never seen

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<v Speaker 2>You could have been someone you've never seen. And back

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<v Speaker 2>to old two boots.

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<v Speaker 3>He apparently is again getting back into this idea of agency.

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<v Speaker 3>He is programmed so that he can't snitch on the Empire. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems, despite the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>Which had questions about that very new programming this pushed out.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they doing like, you know, updates as long as

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<v Speaker 3>your canne Galaxy.

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<v Speaker 2>You are the Superstar Destroyer link, can.

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<v Speaker 1>You get Yeah, you must update all of your droids

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<v Speaker 1>to Galaxy firm where one point five.

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<v Speaker 3>If your droid is asleep between the hours of one

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<v Speaker 3>am and five am, he will get the latest you know,

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<v Speaker 3>jedda update.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So he apparently can't do that, and Lawson keeps paging

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<v Speaker 3>him to be like, where's my son?

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<v Speaker 2>You know who you helped raise. Sadly, he can't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything about it, it seems.

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<v Speaker 3>In the lut lush depths of Janex, More and his

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<v Speaker 3>crew try to evade the Empire, but the Inquisitor and

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<v Speaker 3>the Eleventh Brother appeared just in time to take them down.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a pretty epic battle with a crazy Stormtrooper body

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<v Speaker 3>count like crazy body count as Cast in her crew

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<v Speaker 3>just barrage any and all Stormtroopers with non stop bullet fire,

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<v Speaker 3>very cathartic stuff, just like real peak Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 2>Good ship more than the inquisitors face down.

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<v Speaker 3>But they obviously I don't know that Maul is really

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<v Speaker 3>good in three ways, so as they.

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<v Speaker 1>Foa, is that how we're saying it good?

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't actually end well for him actually, so maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he's kind of bad in three ways. But while they fight,

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<v Speaker 3>Barrio tries to take a ship, but instead it's taken

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<v Speaker 3>by three rogue Dark Watch mandos who are sick of

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<v Speaker 3>Cast and Maul's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like lovers drama.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just like, get us out of here and get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't blame it, I get it. I do not

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<v Speaker 2>blame them.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't make it far before their ship is shot

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<v Speaker 3>out of the sky. While the Zabrec twins Joelle's favorites

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<v Speaker 3>tried to back more, one of them is killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Rip to that, well, let me just say.

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<v Speaker 2>I talk about it a little.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a little frustrated that we don't know anything about.

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<v Speaker 2>This poor guy, right.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like he is now deceased it's giving he's

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<v Speaker 5>going to get a book about him, but I don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to wait two years, even though I love that

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<v Speaker 5>they're going to give somebody time to write the book,

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<v Speaker 5>like I need to know about him now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also feel like this is looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, but for a character like mal who

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to reassemble a family around him, m M,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this would hit harder.

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<v Speaker 3>Agree, And I feel like if we knew more about him,

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<v Speaker 3>it would hit harder as well, Like if we knew.

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<v Speaker 2>More about the relationship. I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm sad to see I'm sad to see

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<v Speaker 1>this guy go because you know, again we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We know very little, so.

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<v Speaker 3>We leave more ultimately at the mercy of the inquisitors.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they're head.

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<v Speaker 3>They're on the behalf of the emperor, who's like wants

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<v Speaker 3>to kill him obs. So Maure does a classic Jedi

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<v Speaker 3>trick and just moves a bunch of rocks, this time

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<v Speaker 3>the ones above him, making the cave fall in. We

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<v Speaker 3>love to see a Jedi Force user Sith move some rocks.

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<v Speaker 3>He did it, they caved in. He got away, and

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<v Speaker 3>let's go to an ad break and you can join us.

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<v Speaker 2>For More shadow Lord Chapter eight B.

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<v Speaker 3>However, More Shadow Lord Chapter eight more makes his way

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<v Speaker 3>out of the fallen tunnel system that he brought down

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<v Speaker 3>with his force powers, and so does the Eleventh Brother

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<v Speaker 3>and some of the empire seemingly infinite number of stormtroopers.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a lot of stormtroopers right now, guys like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of crazy and they are just sacrificing every

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<v Speaker 3>single one of them. Moore's little probe droid is out

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<v Speaker 3>looking for it. Master Cast believes More to be missing,

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<v Speaker 3>but is sure he'll find the gang wherever they end up,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the right way to approach it. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Moore has a reflective moment, literally seeing himself as a

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<v Speaker 3>young man in a puddle as his legs malfunction relatable

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty six. He just like, I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>that's me. Every day he fights on with his usual

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<v Speaker 3>fury towards his end goal. Riley is still in Empire prison,

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<v Speaker 3>very mad to me that his mom has not turned

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<v Speaker 3>up to save him yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that nepotism.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that powerful in the galaxy, or maybe his mom

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<v Speaker 3>really does suck.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we've been too hot on Yeah, it might be

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he hasn't she.

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<v Speaker 3>Hasn't like cooled up and been like hey, let my

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<v Speaker 3>son out of prison, and is kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>There must have been something cut out because it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a real weird miss to not have more of

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<v Speaker 1>her anyway. I would have loved for her to show

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<v Speaker 1>up in Yeah, me too, What's the deal?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Because also the next part I found very confusing, though

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<v Speaker 3>it tells me a lot about how good his parenting was.

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<v Speaker 3>Riley is then like set upon by the election brother

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<v Speaker 3>and was definitely never trained or prepared in any way

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<v Speaker 3>by his father for any kind of interrogation.

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<v Speaker 2>Or his mom. So I feel like they both failed.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is an era where we've seen Sa Guerrera,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we know what the jedis. The jedis are blindfolding

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<v Speaker 3>kids at a young age and giving them lightsabers.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's a way that you could have told.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, like, hey man, I work for this force, like

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<v Speaker 3>you might need to one day know, like don't say anything,

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<v Speaker 3>here's what you should say, Here's how you protect yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he is just so.

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<v Speaker 3>Immediately terrified, and I'm like this poor space lacrosse kid,

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<v Speaker 3>like he had no chance.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's it's not going well for him. He's

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<v Speaker 2>looking very upset.

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<v Speaker 3>Luckily, Laws and Daki and Devon are offered transport by

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<v Speaker 3>Rena remember her, the sexy purple alien informant. But Laws

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<v Speaker 3>is like, no, I can't leave without my son sexy

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<v Speaker 3>informant that I'm definitely having sex with, like remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Him something, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Two Boots quickly realizes, thanks to one human interaction action,

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<v Speaker 3>that the empire is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually so now he can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Help late than never to figure this out.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to welcome in. We got to make the umbrella.

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<v Speaker 3>Bigger for the droids who used to be booth liquors,

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<v Speaker 3>but now they've learned their ways, like.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be clear and to be honest. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that Lawson could have explained his aversion to the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in non my ex wife terms, Like he

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<v Speaker 1>could have been like, try and you just give him

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<v Speaker 1>some info because two Boots clearly was just like he

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<v Speaker 1>clearly working off, working off the the update and also

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<v Speaker 1>the propaganda. But you know, to slightly defend two Boots,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just doing what the rules say.

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<v Speaker 3>He was exactly you know he at Bart He's now learned,

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<v Speaker 3>and Lawson is like, I'm gonna swap myself for Riley.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I'm who they rarely want. I'm like, do they

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<v Speaker 2>want you?

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<v Speaker 3>Like? Is it that deep?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you that important?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know though, why the Empire would want him

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<v Speaker 3>or would care if they swap places is like definitively unclear.

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<v Speaker 3>As the Empire's grip on Janics becomes stronger, the street's empty.

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<v Speaker 3>We see that kind of imperial shadow spread across the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Where they used to be fun and juvility, it's very andorish.

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<v Speaker 2>Daki and Devon agreed to help Riley get to the transport.

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<v Speaker 3>If Lawson successfully frees him with the help of two boots,

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<v Speaker 3>he's back.

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<v Speaker 2>He's now using those two boots to stomp on.

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<v Speaker 3>The Protective Services of the Galaxy or whatever they're calling

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<v Speaker 3>the cops. A traumatized Riley is saved by two boots,

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<v Speaker 3>which we love to see, though I have to say

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<v Speaker 3>Riley's looking fucked up, like he's looking wrung out that

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<v Speaker 3>he has been through it. They did some They put

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<v Speaker 3>that fucking alien shit on his head like his dad.

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<v Speaker 3>He's gonna be in therapy for a long time, even

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<v Speaker 3>more so than just you being like an absent Dad,

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<v Speaker 3>We rejoin, We rejoined More as he fights his way

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<v Speaker 3>through a very dusty tunnel, seeing and hearing ghosts from

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<v Speaker 3>his past, like his own brother, Savajah Press and obviously

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<v Speaker 3>Darth Sidious. It is like an existential crisis on a

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<v Speaker 3>major level, but also one that plays the hits, showing

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<v Speaker 3>us how More was tortured and manipulated by Sidious, how

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<v Speaker 3>his brother tried to save him. We get replays of

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<v Speaker 3>his spider legs and a reminder of the vengeance that

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<v Speaker 3>drives him. His anger towards Sidious and all that he

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<v Speaker 3>took from him. His fury fuels him through the dust.

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<v Speaker 3>Devon evades the Empire forces and does her best to

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<v Speaker 3>find a ship to steal so that she and her

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<v Speaker 3>master and potentially Riley can get to a meeting point

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<v Speaker 3>with Sexy Rena and get off the world. Unfortunately, she

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<v Speaker 3>tries to steal from some guys who are already in

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<v Speaker 3>the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>And while we don't see the fight. Weird choice. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this is such a weird choice.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not believe we've gotten the cool, badass moments

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<v Speaker 3>from Devon yet that we could have had. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe this was like an animation speed issue or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>like a money issue, but I was very disappointed. We

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<v Speaker 3>do see that she makes quick work of them, though

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<v Speaker 3>they're all kind of dead or on the floor while

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<v Speaker 3>she flies the ship out of the dock and towards

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<v Speaker 3>her us From Riley speaking of the child, two Boots

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<v Speaker 3>just straight up kills a bunch of Stormtroopers to save him.

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<v Speaker 3>So I gotta say, like the two Boots has joined

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<v Speaker 3>the cause on the right side, and he's like, I've

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<v Speaker 3>got to make up for it. He's giving what's his

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<v Speaker 3>you know, gi Robot Like it's very like, do you

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<v Speaker 3>want to kill Nazis with me? And he's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just gonna kill as many of these Stormtroopers as I need.

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<v Speaker 2>To to get you back to your shit eating.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm proud of him.

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<v Speaker 3>Rather than Riley and Lawson joining Devon and Daki. He

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<v Speaker 3>lass is like, I am gonna give myself up. But

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<v Speaker 3>when Devon arrives, he gets in her stolen ship with

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<v Speaker 3>two Boots and they head towards the meeting point trail

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<v Speaker 3>by speeder troopers. Nice to see a little speeder chase.

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<v Speaker 3>Devon is apparently a pretty good getaway driver feels like

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<v Speaker 3>they should have been never seing that before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, never driven this ship before and is doing very well.

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<v Speaker 3>That does tie into one of my absolute favorite theories,

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<v Speaker 3>which is everyone who's a force user is a really

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<v Speaker 3>good pilot, right, And that's why I like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Hanna is really a force user because he's a really

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<v Speaker 3>good pilot. Because it's the same with even Finn. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he gets in and he just knows how to use it.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, very silly and fun. And while she escapes

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<v Speaker 3>more than seemingly like trapped by his past in the

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<v Speaker 3>tunnels under Janets.

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<v Speaker 2>He is going through it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going through He's wandering around, his little electric legs

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<v Speaker 3>are shorting out. He's kind of feeling sorry for himself,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's like, I need a back to tank.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta be inside the back to the tank. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just the whole time, I was like, I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel like he should use the force, to be honest, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Just some way, Like there's something like is the lead

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<v Speaker 3>pipe stopping him from using the force?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think the fact that he's going through this

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<v Speaker 1>intense emotional turmoil and that we know that his force

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<v Speaker 1>powers are strongest when he is tapped into his hatred

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<v Speaker 1>and here he's just so sad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. Oh my god, that's kind.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's weakening him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like that read a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a great moment here where Moore sees crying

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<v Speaker 3>baby more in the reflection of a puddle once again.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was when I was like, Okay, whoever directed

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<v Speaker 3>this episode. Love the Defying Gravity scene in Wicked Part

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<v Speaker 3>one starring Cynthia River and Ariana Grande because it's very

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<v Speaker 3>evocative of the moment when she reaches Alphaba reaches out

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<v Speaker 3>to her younger self before she grabs the one that

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<v Speaker 3>at the broom and starts singing like, oh if you

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<v Speaker 3>cared to find I would actually love to see a

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<v Speaker 3>mashup of Darth Maure doing that. Sam Whitwa, would you

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<v Speaker 3>be interested? We would love to have you sing it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Moore is like, I'm never gonna let anyone do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Sidius is never gonna do this again, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>too late, baby, He's already doing it. That one like

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<v Speaker 3>it's happened in the elevator to the meeting point.

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<v Speaker 2>They're still on their way. Devon realizes a.

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<v Speaker 3>Trap is a foot I feel like she should have

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<v Speaker 3>realized that before with the force, but you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Lawson doesn't believe it because he's dumb, but Riley does

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<v Speaker 3>because he's like, I've actually hung around with this person.

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<v Speaker 3>They are sensible, and Daki does too. Because of the Force.

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<v Speaker 3>Rena is clearly compromised by the Empire, and now the

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<v Speaker 3>crew must just skip an elevator.

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<v Speaker 2>To their doom.

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<v Speaker 3>And the Inquisitors, of course, they have lightsabers too, so

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<v Speaker 3>it's easy to chop their way out of the elevator.

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<v Speaker 3>And Rina manages to shoot the Empire transport, leaving there

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<v Speaker 3>would be captors stranded. We had to Nicodemus's old office,

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<v Speaker 3>remember him.

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<v Speaker 2>Great name, Love the guy. Love that guy. Rip to

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<v Speaker 2>that man. What about all the murders. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>great guy. It's all good murders.

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<v Speaker 3>Vario Moorland Brook are there hiding out where Vario reveals

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<v Speaker 3>Dunt Dunt Dun that the leader of the Crimson Dawn

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<v Speaker 3>ever heard of it in a solo a Star Wars story.

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<v Speaker 2>Wants to meet. So guess what, guys, things are looking up.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take over the organization. Okay, let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break and we'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Be talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back. I think that these were the strongest

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of the of the of the series. Let's bring

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<v Speaker 1>in super producer Joelle to discuss your thoughts on these episodes.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I have it's okay, it's okay, we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 4>there together. I believe it was Scorn. Scorn was the

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<v Speaker 4>yellow one. He got pushed over, right, it was the

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<v Speaker 4>bigger one who died. Yeah, yeah, that's Scorning.

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<v Speaker 1>Not it was it was Scorn.

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<v Speaker 4>Not Okay, Acres has the flag too close to the

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<v Speaker 4>sun and burn up later.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume, yeah, if we go by the Lord.

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<v Speaker 4>If he's named that for a reason. I would like

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<v Speaker 4>to know what we learned in this episode where we

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<v Speaker 4>finally get Mall reflecting on its past, uh and the

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<v Speaker 4>agony of it all. I've been waiting for this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>This was what I thought the whole season was building

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<v Speaker 4>up to. And while some of it was very like

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<v Speaker 4>emotionally affecting, like you know, crawling through the gutter and

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<v Speaker 4>seeing your pass abuse emotional for anyone, but then I

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<v Speaker 4>don't get a clear idea of what he's trying to

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<v Speaker 4>do with that or how it has changed him or

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<v Speaker 4>why we went on this journey, and maybe I missed it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm open to that. What did you guys feel about

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<v Speaker 4>his journey?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that for me the episodes worked on an

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<v Speaker 3>emotional level just because I already care about the character, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>But as I mentioned in the recap, it's really a

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<v Speaker 3>greatest hits of what we already know about him. So

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<v Speaker 3>while it did work for me, I think this is

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<v Speaker 3>part of the issue that the show has because they

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<v Speaker 3>said it's not going to be a homework show, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but actually there is a lot of stuff that it

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<v Speaker 3>feels like you have to do homework on because stuff

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<v Speaker 3>is not very fleshed out. Then ironically they add stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like this that is essentially exposition for people who have

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<v Speaker 3>not watched the show before. So it's the stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>they're choosing to say you don't have to do homework about.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they balance those choices correctly. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though I loved that kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of greatest hits of why Male is who he is like,

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<v Speaker 3>it worked for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Right that do we know more about him and what

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<v Speaker 3>his journey is right now? I don't necessarily know. I

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<v Speaker 3>came out of these two episodes feeling that, but I

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<v Speaker 3>did enjoy them a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I I agree with that that take. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>what's well. I love the emotional stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>It.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the flashbacks and the kind of emotional engine

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<v Speaker 1>for Maul where you realize just like how traumatizing hurt

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 1>he is by everything that's happened at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the Clone Wars into up to now. That said, structurally,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes much more sense for that to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the end.

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<v Speaker 3>That the tunnels anytime. This could have been much more episode.

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<v Speaker 1>This could have been the first episode him trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find Absolutely and I. And it also kind of dovetails

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<v Speaker 1>into the previous criticism that I that I had, which

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<v Speaker 1>was I feel like when we had twenty plus episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of Clone Wars, right, you could have this kind of

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>pacing where character development is a great siloed off in

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>one episode, like you just get the one here is

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<v Speaker 1>just the one Ahsoka episode where you find out about

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 1>all the stuff that she's dealing with.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have full episode what's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>With Yeah, and you can treat them like bottle episodes.

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:45.120
<v Speaker 1>We did get like two and three episode arcs sometimes,

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 1>but you got those like once every one and a

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 1>half seasons or something, and but here it makes more

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 1>sense to thread character development through this. There's only eight episodes,

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.439
<v Speaker 1>thread it all the way through the series, and I

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>just feel like to start knowing exactly how torn up

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>mal is and then go somewhere from there, like losing

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 1>losing the zabrac Icarus iscris we lost, gone to lose

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that that didn't land at all. He

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 1>should mall should be fucking torn up about that. How

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 1>many is that left that he knows he's fucking he

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.719
<v Speaker 1>should be devastated about that. And if we get that

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 1>scene in the tunnels earlier, and then each episode you're

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 1>getting a little bit more of like what these people around.

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Him cru and how me?

0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the found family and he's not. And then you

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:46.880
<v Speaker 1>could kind of dwell on let the let the audience

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 1>dwell on the fact that, like he's assembling these people,

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 1>but he's also not appreciating the time he has with them,

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and then when one of them dies or several of

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.199
<v Speaker 1>them die, it can really hit and I feel like

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.680
<v Speaker 1>they left they left stuff on the table. Now, I

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>did like these episodes because of this character development stuff,

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.120
<v Speaker 1>although I agree with the criticism that it wasn't necessary development.

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.399
<v Speaker 1>It was like a lot of retreading of ground that

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>we know about. But yeah, I think they love They

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 1>just left emotional, they left juice on the team.

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 3>You know what you touch on something really good there

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 3>and true there because like think about the Star Wars,

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Jedi Survivor games, right, they can introduce characters that you

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 3>don't spend a lot of time with, and then they're

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.880
<v Speaker 3>like this one's lost, this one's dead, and you're like, oh.

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:31.679
<v Speaker 2>My god, my whole crew. No, I love them, what

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 2>do you mean? Like, And it's because you're invested.

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 3>I feel like they didn't do enough here, Like the

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 3>rook cast for example, like that thing is really something

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>that we are more reflecting on her this like idea

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:44.400
<v Speaker 3>of her being jealous.

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 2>But it's so interesting.

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 3>Even the teaser is interesting, right, And that's what a

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.360
<v Speaker 3>first season is meant to do. And then maybe Dave

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 3>Filoni hears that conversation and he goes, that's exactly what

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to do, or he goes, oh, it wasn't,

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.360
<v Speaker 3>but season two we're gonna expand you know, that's what

0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 3>first seasons are meant to do, but with more with Deva,

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.919
<v Speaker 3>with Daki, I don't know what the tease is. And

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.160
<v Speaker 3>with the Zabracs, I would have liked to have gotten

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 3>to know them and seen that reflection for more of

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.439
<v Speaker 3>he lost his brother, Yeah, you know, that's like the

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 3>biggest loss in his life. I feel like unless the

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:15.879
<v Speaker 3>next episode is like a bottle episode of Icarus and Scorn,

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 3>which I don't see happening eight nine episodes into a

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.359
<v Speaker 3>ten episode season, but like, I feel like that is

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 3>a missed opportunity for so much gravitas and reflection about

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Savage and about him and about.

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.400
<v Speaker 4>The family they are trying to build what they actually

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 4>mean the impact, there's a lot, and at this point

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 4>I have to wonder, like, are we just doing this

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 4>on purpose? And should this be you know, we've talked

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 4>about this a little bit over the last couple of weeks,

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 4>but like, part of the greatness of Star Wars fandom

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 4>is our ability to fill in the gaps and build

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 4>things out. And I wonder if at this point the

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 4>directive isn't don't get too deep on these side characters,

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 4>leave them open for potential war detail building.

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it does make sense because for one was

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:02.919
<v Speaker 3>the original fan who filled it all out, you know

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 3>post eu so, so I think that that is actually

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 3>a really good point and definitely like to me, I'm

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 3>seeing at D twenty three, like I almost feel like

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 3>it's one hundred percent that the del Ray panel's going

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 3>to announce an Icarus and score on like ya Zappra

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Twins kind of book.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 4>There's a reason why gravitated toward Boba Fette, you know,

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 4>Like again, like if you think about the amount of

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 4>time he actually has in the movie, the way people

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 4>glombed on, you know, in that first initial appearance, which

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 4>just they were like, the jet pack is cool, and

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 4>we like the helmet and we could make this work.

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 4>I do think there is something to be said for

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, even if we think about like padmes like handmaidens.

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that's not what they're called. I apologize, I forget

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 4>the term, but.

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no no, but I know what you mean.

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:49.719
<v Speaker 4>Like like the ladies in Waiting, if you will, like those,

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 4>they become their own characters. To some people, their favorite

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 4>characters were a whole books written about these women. I

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 4>want to be okay with it. I just think in

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 4>a mini series format without a guarantee and maybe this

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 4>is again because we come from an era of TV

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 4>where those two things were really separate, and I'm not

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent sure they are anymore.

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>We see a lot of mencia.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I agree, like a limited series or a mini

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.640
<v Speaker 3>series like meant something different with the way you would

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 3>tell the story. I don't think this has that. It

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 3>does not have the cliffhangers, it does not have the catchiness,

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.120
<v Speaker 3>it does not have the bingeability. Like I've gone back

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 3>and rewatched all the episodes in a row every time

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>they've come out, and I just have not found that

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 3>to be a more engaging experience. Like I understand why

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 3>they didn't just drop it as a binge, but I

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 3>also don't think it's delivering on a mini series situation,

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 3>like just call it like a new Star Wars series,

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 3>especially if there's.

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Gonna be other seasons. I was gonna ask you, guys, like.

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 3>What could what would they have to do for you

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 3>guys in the final two episodes that would take this

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 3>up to like a you have to watch this actually

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 3>like it's a little uneven, But they ended with something

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 3>that makes me feel like it's really gonna go somewhere

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 3>in the next season.

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, we do need something additive ultimately, and I feel

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>like even though we got some new characters, we haven't

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>felt anything additive, and there's been no connection to other

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>parts of the larger story that have surprised thus far.

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, again, this is crazy and is not

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. But if Loss's ex wife is Dedra, you

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, that's that crazy ship.

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 2>But they have to do it. They don't have the story.

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Juice, juice, give us just hook this to the wider

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>story in a way that's that is, that is under

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:53.239
<v Speaker 1>that is you know, genuinely surprising, or find something that

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>is an unanswered question, an unscratched itch, and use this

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>series to explore it. Use those final episodes explore it,

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and and let's see if they do that. You know,

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that we will get more of the you know,

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 1>like how Mall became a gang leader story we should

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 1>write and that'll be cool and I guess, depending on

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>how far they go with it, that could be really satisfying.

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>But again, I really want like the death of of

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Scorn to like mean something like I want the I

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>want like the I want Mall to like ruminate on

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>this found family that he's assembled and tries to assemble

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>around him and and build off what was the best

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>character moment of this series for mal in those tunnels,

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>build off that I've got it. I've got it.

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Here's how I need this, and it's and it won't

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 4>happen because it's not the tone of the series. But

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't care. This is what I want. Okay remains

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 4>on his Jedi bullshit, and that is really a thing

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 4>the show is pushing. They're like, hey, Jedi has some

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 4>stupid ideas. Those ideas got people hurt. Who's the person

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 4>who would die? Who would be most affecting to us

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 4>at this point, it's Riley. He's the youngest, he's the

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 4>most innocent, He's got the most people who care about

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 4>his safety. You know, Devin, I'm sorry. Daku had just

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 4>apologized to Riley for not being able to protect him.

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 4>What if ultimately he fails in the most ultimate way possible,

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 4>Riley dies. It's Riley's dad is devastating. He goes full

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 4>cop mode. He's like, I'm guns blazing, I don't care.

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm a one man army against the Empire. He's gonna

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 4>lose two and then Deku is like, oh no, I

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 4>messed up, but what that's just the way the universe

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 4>must have wanted it that way, And Devon's like, you

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 4>know what, absolutely not, I'm off this train ride. I'm

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 4>actually gonna partner with mal. I can't be doing this.

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 4>We have a full turn from Devon gets to step

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 4>into like now he's actually got what he's wanted this

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 4>whole time, which is like a willing apprentice, and we

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 4>get to see the beginning struggles and joys of that,

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 4>like yes, I have, but I don't know what to

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 4>do in this position and we're in danger and now

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 4>my heart is attached to her, But how do I

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 4>lead this crew who's also angry? Like it's a whole

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 4>mixed bag of things, and I would end.

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're brave enough to kill a gay.

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I do think.

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I do think that you are onto something.

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 3>I think Daki is gonna do something, and we're both

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 3>right because his name is like Obi Daki Daku.

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 2>So sorry to the guy who wrote the name. It's

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm prompt, I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, Star Wars naming conventions,

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 3>but like it.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Would be really interesting.

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 3>I do think you're onto something where we see her

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 3>master do something or fail in a way that is

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 3>so objectively unforgivable for her that she changes to the

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 3>dark side.

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Whatever it is.

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 3>He can't save the train, he tells her, don't do that,

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 3>and then something really awful happens, kind of that spite

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 3>a reverse Spider Man moment, like yeah, who's gonna say,

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 3>it's not our fight? And something terrible happens because she

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 3>doesn't do it, and then that makes her think, well,

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 3>maybe mores onto something. I think you're right, that's the

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 3>big thing that we need to see, And yeah, I would.

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 3>I would also kind of jumping off what Jason was saying,

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 3>I would love to see like a bit more of

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 3>a motive, like I want to know why he wants,

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, he's revengeful, but it would be great if

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 3>we got some deeper emotional beat of why these people

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 3>and why this moment Like that would be really interesting

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 3>as kind of a big emotional review or.

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 4>What make a good revenge story work? Like I want

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 4>you to suffer in this specific way on this specific date,

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 4>so it hurts even more and you need to understand

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 4>both the current relationship between these two you need to

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 4>understand you you kind of need to understand like what

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 4>the Emperor up against right now, like where he's at.

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 4>Like the revenge has to come from two sides, so

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 4>that when it finally reaches you understand the impact for

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 4>everyone involved. And I yeah, either they gotta lean full

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 4>gangster or full into the revenge or full into the

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 4>master thing. Like it's a lot of lanes that aren't

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 4>really adding up too much. I hope we get a death.

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 4>I know it's maybe a little morbid, and I apologize.

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<v Speaker 2>I just ye, he likes it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, probably father for So.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to see where this goes. Hopefully I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if Dryden Voss will actually appear.

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<v Speaker 2>It could happen. Well, I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 3>I this is the first time where after the end

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<v Speaker 3>of these two I was like, well, I do actually

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<v Speaker 3>need to know what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's gonna be like good or bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm a place where like you've got

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<v Speaker 3>a time to land it and it's in the next

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<v Speaker 3>two episodes, So I think that's an exciting place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I'm wondering.

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<v Speaker 3>If there's any other big name surprise cameos we could

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<v Speaker 3>get because it's so much easier for them to do

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<v Speaker 3>in animation, So timing wise, it is going.

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<v Speaker 2>To be interesting to if they've saved any big ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving

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<v Speaker 1>into Daredevil two o seven and we're checking it the

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<v Speaker 1>final season of The of the Boys, Folks, that boysing

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<v Speaker 1>Things that boising out. That's it for this episode. Next

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<v Speaker 1>for listening. X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion

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<v Speaker 1>and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 1>Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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<v Speaker 3>Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wax.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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