Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Smith and now your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 1: Today is Wednesday, February fifteenth, twenty twenty three. We are
Speaker 1: now just seventy two days away from the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. And this is the Draft Show presented
Speaker 1: by Miller Light Light from the Star in Frisco and
Speaker 1: the SWBC Studios alongside Brian Brottis in studio, I'm Kyle Yeoman's.
Speaker 1: We've got Cris Beam in the back running things and
Speaker 1: joined again on the phone line remotely from Ohio, the
Speaker 1: great Dame Brugler from the Athletic joining us again. Our
Speaker 1: live studio audience loves it as well. We've got two
Speaker 1: of the greatest draft minds the media. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: thank you on this show. At the same time, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a fun one. I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: it is fun. It is a lot of fun. And
Speaker 1: when you know, we're gonna miss Aisha today, hopefully she'll
Speaker 1: be back with us tomorrow. But Bobby too and Bobby,
Speaker 1: but to have to have Dane on, I mean, I
Speaker 1: go so far back with this guy and now to
Speaker 1: see all the success and the way he handles that success,
Speaker 1: but also the way he handles the criticism to keep
Speaker 1: coming back and doing this, I think is is a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. I love. I love working
Speaker 1: with this man. I have for I've loved watching him
Speaker 1: grow as a draft analysis guy. I think he's one
Speaker 1: of the best in the business. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what if I if I ever was a general manager again,
Speaker 1: which probably will never happen to Dan, I'm sorry about this,
Speaker 1: that would be the first cat I'd hire. But I'd
Speaker 1: go to work for this guy too if he was
Speaker 1: a general manager, because he'd probably a lot better general
Speaker 1: manager than me. But you think, I'm perfectly fine, uh
Speaker 1: doing this with with you guys you know on the
Speaker 1: media side. Been over ten years now, Yeah, yeah, ten
Speaker 1: years we've been doing this. Uh and you know our
Speaker 1: conversations on air, off the air about these guys. Um, No,
Speaker 1: I've I've learned so much from you, and so it's
Speaker 1: it's been fun to apply that into my own scouting. Um.
Speaker 1: It's wait criticize people who are criticizing stuff. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, man, you're learning. You're learning how to handle
Speaker 1: it because it's it's that they don't always they don't
Speaker 1: always see this eye to eye. You know. I tell
Speaker 1: you what. It used to bother me, and now it
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me anymore. I just talk about ice cream,
Speaker 1: your rocky roads, my chocolate chip. Man. We're all good here,
Speaker 1: just as long as you put in the work. Now
Speaker 1: you can say whatever you want, right, you got it.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that that Brian's bringing up criticism
Speaker 1: because part of my goal today is to get you
Speaker 1: guys to fight over one player, all right. I just
Speaker 1: I want one guy that I want to see you
Speaker 1: both disagree on, and I wanted you to just go
Speaker 1: mano emano one on one. He's gonna he's gonna like
Speaker 1: a slow He's gonna like a slow footed guard from Florida.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that you like good players. The guy's
Speaker 1: a slow footed guard. You know it. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: That's the first name on my list. I might be
Speaker 1: really good at this. So I want to hit some
Speaker 1: cowboys draft targets because there are a ton of guys
Speaker 1: and girls out in the media and out on their
Speaker 1: own doing their own scouting, and honestly, I think that's
Speaker 1: a great thing. Man. What's really cool about this whole
Speaker 1: process is that there are so many opinions. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they get the flood in and Cowboys Nation has so
Speaker 1: many loyal and true fans that are are not just
Speaker 1: fans anymore. They're their own scouts and they fuel, they
Speaker 1: build their own opinions, and they've got their own shows.
Speaker 1: So you start to see these names emerge out of
Speaker 1: those those accounts on Twitter or on YouTube or these
Speaker 1: different shows that are out there that are all fantastic.
Speaker 1: I want to hit some of those names and hopefully
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on one of them.
Speaker 1: And one of them is the slow footing card out
Speaker 1: of Florida that Brian just brought up. Oh, Cyrus Torrence.
Speaker 1: He's an offensive lineman. He's got some skill to him,
Speaker 1: really good tape. Went to the Senior Bowl, was impressive
Speaker 1: in Mobile. I'll let Dane start give me your scouting
Speaker 1: report on Osiris Torrance, and then I'll let Brian follow
Speaker 1: it up. This guy did not have to transfer to
Speaker 1: Florida to be a top forty draft pick. He was
Speaker 1: already that at Louisiana, he decided to go challenge himself.
Speaker 1: He followed his head coach Billy Napier to Florida this
Speaker 1: past year, and all he did was earned first team
Speaker 1: ll Sec played extremely well as a senior for a
Speaker 1: guy that's his size, that thick, wide frame. He can
Speaker 1: dominate in the run game. You know you see him.
Speaker 1: He's got boxing gloves for hands. He just punches his
Speaker 1: way where he wants. He'll drive you away from the
Speaker 1: run and then in pass pro he can set, set
Speaker 1: his anchor drop his hips. And you know, is he
Speaker 1: a guy do you want on the move all the time? No,
Speaker 1: not necessarily. I think his connection rate when you ask
Speaker 1: him to climb or get on the outside can be
Speaker 1: inconsistent at times. But if you want a phone booth
Speaker 1: blocker who you know you're you're not asked to move
Speaker 1: all the time. Can move some, but not all the time.
Speaker 1: He will dominate the man in front of him. And
Speaker 1: that's why you know he is one of the top
Speaker 1: thirty prospects in this draft and has a good chance
Speaker 1: to go first round. Yeah, you know, Dane is right
Speaker 1: about the mass, and he's right about the movement and
Speaker 1: I the thing is, I don't see a nimble player,
Speaker 1: and that's and maybe that's hard for a guy that's
Speaker 1: and I think he's dropped weight. I think Dane, initially
Speaker 1: we were looking at this guy as a three hundred
Speaker 1: and forty seven pound player. I think he's somewhere now
Speaker 1: in three hundred and thirty five pounds is what they
Speaker 1: meant they went down. So you know, if if if
Speaker 1: I'm if that's if, if it means him continually drop
Speaker 1: and wait, I'm all about that because I think it
Speaker 1: can only help him. There you go. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's ten pounds from what we were talking about, so
Speaker 1: you know that can help him. I think the thing
Speaker 1: about him is that he uses that mask to keep
Speaker 1: rushers off the quarterback, and I'm okay with that. You know,
Speaker 1: the defenders have a hard time moving him. They've had
Speaker 1: a hard time going through him. You know, if you
Speaker 1: rush him down the middle, there's a pretty good chance
Speaker 1: that he is going to handle you. You know, he's
Speaker 1: to me, it's when things get a little bit on
Speaker 1: the edge. I think you can get him to get
Speaker 1: over the top of his feet and that will be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem for him. And so
Speaker 1: I just feel like that to me, when you know,
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, he could be a little
Speaker 1: tick slow coming off the ball. And if you're a
Speaker 1: massive guy and you're a little bit slow, and you know,
Speaker 1: you're already probably at a probably at a disadvantage right there.
Speaker 1: The guy is in Dan's right. He came from from Louisiana. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he came with his coach. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of really some positive things about him, though.
Speaker 1: I think in this day and age, the more I
Speaker 1: watched these NFL games, we saw a really active athletic
Speaker 1: offensive line. Yeah, a big line in Philadelphia, even in
Speaker 1: Kansas City and the Super Bowl, with that ability to
Speaker 1: play on the edge, to get into space, to get
Speaker 1: to the second level. I just think Osias Torrence is
Speaker 1: a guy that, yeah, absolutely consider, but just know the
Speaker 1: type of player you're going to get. If you're expecting
Speaker 1: a nimble, light footed guy, this is not going to
Speaker 1: be your guy. You're just not mass power strength. That's
Speaker 1: absolutely the guy you need to look at the way
Speaker 1: that I described it in my go Ahead, Dane, how
Speaker 1: let you go quick? On Florrance Path walking snaps in
Speaker 1: college four years, zero sacks, allowed this last year and
Speaker 1: now going from the Sunbelt of the SEC, he had
Speaker 1: zero penalties, which is very impressive. You know, he had
Speaker 1: you know, two or three at Louisiana last year and
Speaker 1: then for them to this past season, to go to
Speaker 1: Florida and have zero penalties says a lot about him. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree for the most part, I think
Speaker 1: you know, Brian and I see the player very similar.
Speaker 1: I'm just a little more optimistic about his fit at
Speaker 1: the next level. And I mean he's a plug and
Speaker 1: play starter in my month, first round strength is what
Speaker 1: I had. First round strength, third round movement. Because I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you, I think he has limitations in
Speaker 1: movement and pulling and even in past protection sometimes, which
Speaker 1: if you're in a phone booth as a guard, ye
Speaker 1: you're gonna be okay. Yeah, for the most part. The
Speaker 1: penalties thing there is interesting because my when I watched
Speaker 1: this guy, I see a bigger Tyler Smith where there's
Speaker 1: footwork problems, but the strength is there. And if you,
Speaker 1: of course watched the show last year, we weren't very
Speaker 1: high on Tyler Smith until we really got to know
Speaker 1: who he was and where he was going to end up.
Speaker 1: Playing with this team. I'm worried about having multiple guys
Speaker 1: like that, like pairing Tyler Smith with a guy like
Speaker 1: Osiris Torrence. If Smith's gonna be your left tackle and
Speaker 1: then Torrence is expected to be your guard, then you
Speaker 1: have two slow moving, big strength guys. Is that going
Speaker 1: to limit what you could do up from Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this a question, real quick, dame, Am I
Speaker 1: over am I over analyzing the movement part of it?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you? I mean, because you're
Speaker 1: talking about a phone booth player. To me, that's kind
Speaker 1: of a limited you know. When I think phone booth,
Speaker 1: I think a small area player is what I'm looking
Speaker 1: at right there. So you don't see a guy that
Speaker 1: plays really wide right that you can use in that
Speaker 1: in that way completely honest. I do think it's a
Speaker 1: disservice to use the word slow with him, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think like for me, I use the word average. I
Speaker 1: think as a parkiller out in space, he's a very
Speaker 1: average mover um And so I think if you you're
Speaker 1: not asking to do it every snap, but he can
Speaker 1: do it, and I think that you can do it. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know enough too. He's not going to hurt you.
Speaker 1: Now if you are a an offensive line and offense
Speaker 1: that wants to be on the move all the time,
Speaker 1: he's probably not a fit for you. But if you're
Speaker 1: on the move some of the time, I think he
Speaker 1: can handle it. I don't think he's slow. I think
Speaker 1: he's just his movement skills are more average than above average.
Speaker 1: So then you can know that's that's fair because to me,
Speaker 1: like I said, I just look at these offensive lines
Speaker 1: that play now, I don't think this guy's for everybody.
Speaker 1: I really really don't know. If there's some teams that
Speaker 1: like to bully you up front, and that's the type
Speaker 1: of guy I think this guy is. I think he's
Speaker 1: a bully type of a player. We'll see with Mike Solari.
Speaker 1: If you're the Cowboys, you know, and again we're trying
Speaker 1: to be an all service group here. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're one of these guys or gals that are watching
Speaker 1: us and your team plays with athletic offensive lineman like
Speaker 1: Dane's talking about, this is probably not your guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of space playing. But if you're
Speaker 1: a power team, power gap all that, if you just
Speaker 1: want to like double team and push on guys and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, absolutely this guy is probably somebody you
Speaker 1: need to look at. I also I can speak on
Speaker 1: then you mentioned good day, Sorry you mentioned that you
Speaker 1: mentioned the chiefs. Uh, yeah, you know. I don't think
Speaker 1: you know it's Tray Smith at guard. Does he have
Speaker 1: uh you know that much more mobility than an Osyrius Torrens.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, I do think that
Speaker 1: a guy like this can survive in you know, I
Speaker 1: think is he better for some schemes more than others, Yes,
Speaker 1: but I still think he could be survived and be
Speaker 1: just fine in most offenses in the NFL. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just like, let's say, but the thing with me with
Speaker 1: with Kansas City is that you do see second level
Speaker 1: blocks and stuff like that. That's just watching them play.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, though to me that you know,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong about Smith. The thing I just think,
Speaker 1: I just if this if you're just interested in, like, okay,
Speaker 1: well in the in the word phone booth tells me
Speaker 1: short area, small area, you know, And I think in
Speaker 1: this day and age, though, you you know you if
Speaker 1: you can control the down lineman, you can get back
Speaker 1: through into the second level. So I don't think this
Speaker 1: as one of these huge things I just think you
Speaker 1: have to know what you're getting with this player. If
Speaker 1: you think that he is going to be on the
Speaker 1: edge or on the second level a lot. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's his cup of tea. I really really don't.
Speaker 1: So that's just that's just kind of how I feel
Speaker 1: about this. It's probably one of the limitations that you
Speaker 1: have to have with taking a guy at twenty six. You're,
Speaker 1: like you we talked about previously, you're gonna have twenty
Speaker 1: first round grade. So if Dane's sitting here telling you
Speaker 1: that at twenty six you can grab a guy who
Speaker 1: is a plug and play starter right now but still
Speaker 1: has growth to go in his game, that might be
Speaker 1: exactly what they're thinking. And as I was saying a
Speaker 1: moment ago, based off of what I've heard across the building,
Speaker 1: they really like Torrence. Yah. Know that strength the fit
Speaker 1: and you should, you absolutely should. I mean all that.
Speaker 1: Just just know what you're getting in the player. Just
Speaker 1: know what you're getting in the player right there, because
Speaker 1: you know, like like I say, I think there's things
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to There's some things he's gonna
Speaker 1: struggle with, but there's gonna be some things you're gonna
Speaker 1: absolutely love with I say, the size, the power of
Speaker 1: the mass, those are all things Dane, real quick? Do
Speaker 1: you have him like is a is he one of
Speaker 1: a first round grade for you? Or is he more
Speaker 1: like player thirty or twenty eight twenty nine? Where is
Speaker 1: he on your ranking? Yeah, he's top thirty, twenty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Run there, okay one or okay two? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: a guy that could come in and start. And you
Speaker 1: know you said plug and play, and I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you on plug and play. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with that. Just know what you're getting in
Speaker 1: the player. Yeah. No, I mean, like I say, I
Speaker 1: have my preference of just again watching some of these
Speaker 1: offensive line play and just how these teams are able
Speaker 1: to just affect defenses in the running game by getting
Speaker 1: guys they secure down lineman and now they're getting guys
Speaker 1: up on the second level. That's how I mean. But
Speaker 1: you gotta guy like Brian. I would say that to
Speaker 1: me that he is more like I would have him
Speaker 1: more in the bottom like thirty five to thirty eight
Speaker 1: is where I would have him right there. I don't
Speaker 1: right now, I've got him at thirty right far off. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing though, is is across the board,
Speaker 1: Dallas tends to value the unteachable traits when they go
Speaker 1: with these first round lineman. Is it more teachable to
Speaker 1: teach that strength or tot to teach the footwork If
Speaker 1: he keeps losing weight, that's easier. If all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he's down to when we get him to camp
Speaker 1: and he's he's a three thirty Yeah, he's a three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pound guy. That is a huge
Speaker 1: difference from what he was playing at. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that. Then then if he gets down to that
Speaker 1: three twenty five or three twenty three whatever weight, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be more like what Dane's talking about than what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And that kind of sounds fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that one a little bit better, all right, Uh,
Speaker 1: Moving into the secondary real quickly. This is Deonte Banks
Speaker 1: Maryland corner. You talk about the size and the length
Speaker 1: and the physicality that he has kind of fits that
Speaker 1: dan Quinn mold a little bit, Brian, what have you
Speaker 1: seen from him? I'll tell you what minute and again
Speaker 1: I'm working on a height and tell me if I'm
Speaker 1: wrong about this. Six foot two oh seven and the
Speaker 1: first line I said, out of this thing, Burglar was
Speaker 1: ideal size for a corner. I love the physical side
Speaker 1: this guy has to his game. He's comfortable when it's
Speaker 1: coming to playing his style. You know that type of thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he loves that. He's not afraid to come forward.
Speaker 1: He's not afraid to tackle. That's a big thing with
Speaker 1: me nowadays. I think you give up so many of
Speaker 1: these in the secondary. If you cannot tackle, I can't
Speaker 1: play with you. I mean, there's so many big plays
Speaker 1: in these games. I gotta have a physical player. I
Speaker 1: love how he sticks his nose in the action. I
Speaker 1: think he's a sticky man player. He's got some feel
Speaker 1: for how to position himself. He can pin receivers near
Speaker 1: the sidelines. The movement, the recovery. This guy's just not
Speaker 1: going to give an inch when he plays technique. I
Speaker 1: find a guy that can locate the football. He's not
Speaker 1: late getting his head around. There's a lot of really
Speaker 1: good things that I like about this kid, but the
Speaker 1: physical aspects of the traits of him, I think I
Speaker 1: like about him the most. I think you The way
Speaker 1: I described him in my report was he's a cover
Speaker 1: and clobber corner where and he's he's you like the size,
Speaker 1: but he has the speed. He's got rangey speed. Like
Speaker 1: you said, he likes to get physical um and not
Speaker 1: just in the run game, but up and down the
Speaker 1: field with route runners. I really like him at the
Speaker 1: top of routes. A lot of guys Keiley Ringo, you
Speaker 1: could run him off the top of a route every
Speaker 1: single time if just come back, come back, come back
Speaker 1: every time. But with a guy like Dantay Banks. You
Speaker 1: throw in the Ohio State tape, you see him covering
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, who's gonna be a top five seven
Speaker 1: pick next year, and he's playing with him at the
Speaker 1: top of routes. He's doing a really nice job sinking,
Speaker 1: using his footwork, anticipating what's coming based off of what
Speaker 1: the route is, the route runner, based on what the
Speaker 1: offense is doing the alignment. So there's a lot to
Speaker 1: Deontay Banks. And trust me, I put him in my
Speaker 1: first round mock uh you know, back in November, and
Speaker 1: I got some pushback on that. Don't move You got
Speaker 1: him right? No, No, you got him right? You did,
Speaker 1: you got him right? He's yeah, I think he's he's
Speaker 1: a legit NFL story. And I think the key for
Speaker 1: him is when he struggled, it's when he didn't trust
Speaker 1: his technique, when he kind of it just fell apart
Speaker 1: a little bit. When he trusts his technique, he's an
Speaker 1: NFL starter all day. And so it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of consistency for him. And this is a fun corner class, right,
Speaker 1: And I've got Christian Gonzalez is my top guy. And
Speaker 1: then you know, we talked about Joey Porter Junior and
Speaker 1: talk about I really really like Devon Witherspoon from Illinois.
Speaker 1: But Deante Banks he's right there, uh, in the top
Speaker 1: five six corners in this class. He's he's a really
Speaker 1: good player. How would you have him? Or Cam Smith
Speaker 1: from South Carolina? How would you? How would you? I struggle.
Speaker 1: I struggles. He's tough because he's he he freelances way
Speaker 1: too much for me, the like it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me J. C. Horne. Maybe it's just the uniforms
Speaker 1: at South Carolina uniform Yeah, but you know the way
Speaker 1: he freelances, the hands on approach. Um, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a few off stuff he needs to work out too.
Speaker 1: But in my top one hundred that I came out
Speaker 1: with on the Athletic yesterday. He was number fifty one
Speaker 1: overall for me. Yeah, and Banks was a right around thirty.
Speaker 1: So okay, I've got a decent, almost a full round
Speaker 1: difference between the two. I'll tell you what. I think
Speaker 1: you got the cats right, I really do. I thought
Speaker 1: that Smith was a little bit more of a guesser
Speaker 1: then and then when you watched him play. I like
Speaker 1: the fact that he could play slot and he could
Speaker 1: play on the outside. But you know, but that's that's
Speaker 1: where you know. You don't see him play a lot
Speaker 1: of tight coverage. Everything was off and lose and that
Speaker 1: kind of thing with him. So I think you got
Speaker 1: the separation of the players, right, I really really do.
Speaker 1: I've got Banks is my third corner right now, and
Speaker 1: I have Smith is my fourth. They're right there. And
Speaker 1: I think I like cam Smith a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Maybe it is the uniform because even though he does freelance,
Speaker 1: I still think he makes plays, whereas Deontay Banks, he
Speaker 1: had what eight pass breakups as a senior. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not the production in the passing game wasn't there,
Speaker 1: but he made up for that with his with his
Speaker 1: his runde fence, with his ability to tackle. He had
Speaker 1: forty tackles or something like that in his final season.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing when I hear Deontay Banks Dane, I'm hearing
Speaker 1: a complimentary corner to the opposite side of Treyvon Diggs.
Speaker 1: Because you think about the speed and the ball skills
Speaker 1: and the coverage ability of Treyvon Diggs, but he's not
Speaker 1: a run defender. He's not gonna come up and hit
Speaker 1: you where on the other side, you've got a guy
Speaker 1: like Banks that could come down. He'll play in the run,
Speaker 1: play against the past, keep at the top of the routes,
Speaker 1: and then shut down somebody on the opposite side. That's
Speaker 1: a complimentary one two punch at corner that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: haven't had in quite some time, Right, I think that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Yeah, a guy that you
Speaker 1: can trust out there by himself on an island, obviously,
Speaker 1: is he yet to ask yourself? Is he ready to
Speaker 1: step in as a rookie from day one and be
Speaker 1: that guy if you're going to invest a first round
Speaker 1: picking him. And that's something that you know, obviously will
Speaker 1: be discussing in the war room as they build the
Speaker 1: draft board and come up with their you know who
Speaker 1: will realistically be there at pick twenty six. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's part of the discussion. He definitely needs to be
Speaker 1: Would would you do that, Dane? Would you put him
Speaker 1: in there and trust him day one? I think he
Speaker 1: has that ability, sure. I mean I think that you
Speaker 1: you draft him believing that he can do it, and
Speaker 1: obviously you go to training camp hoping that's how it
Speaker 1: plays out. But you trust training camp, and you know
Speaker 1: that's you try not to predict predict too much because
Speaker 1: that's what training camps for to threre all that out.
Speaker 1: But you know it's uh, if you're drafting him where
Speaker 1: you're drafting him in the first round, I think you're
Speaker 1: doing so with the assumption that he's going to be
Speaker 1: at least competing for starter level snaps very early at
Speaker 1: his rookie contract. Hey, Dane, real quick on the Porter
Speaker 1: thing every mock draft, and you know, I guess you
Speaker 1: guys are probably mute in me by now because of
Speaker 1: all the mock draft questions that I answer. But the
Speaker 1: thing with Porter where I mean, I talked to somebody
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay and they were kind of thinking about
Speaker 1: him at nineteen, he goes earlier than nineteen Danny Joey
Speaker 1: Porter junior Penn State. I think probably so. I think
Speaker 1: he's probably in that like five to fifteen range there. Okay,
Speaker 1: answered a lot of questions early, guest, but but I mean,
Speaker 1: you think about it. Are we gonna four quarterbacks going
Speaker 1: the top twelve fifteen? H you know, I think that
Speaker 1: some you know, if that happens, that's gonna push guys
Speaker 1: back maybe a little bit. This is uh now, I
Speaker 1: think corner is obviously a premium position in to his NFL,
Speaker 1: so you know, tackles edge rusher's corners, these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna go pretty early. And I think Joey Porter is
Speaker 1: just there's too much there for Yeah, I totally agree
Speaker 1: and yeah yeah, and the aggressiveness is a double edged sword.
Speaker 1: He'll make early contact, he'll uh you know, get himself
Speaker 1: in trouble at times. But I mean he's long, he's physical,
Speaker 1: he's athletic. Teams will trust that and bet on those
Speaker 1: traits all day with him. I've seen the seat dealers
Speaker 1: looking at him at seventeen too. So even if he
Speaker 1: ends up slipping to seventeen nineteen twenty, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he even makes it. I just I don't know
Speaker 1: how he gets to Dallas. I just that's in my mind.
Speaker 1: And someone reminded me on Twitter. They're like, listen, well ceedee,
Speaker 1: lamb got to you. That was once in a well
Speaker 1: you had a situation too where you had a couple
Speaker 1: of teams that took wide receivers. Rugs went, you know,
Speaker 1: and Judy went before that's yeah, that's how you get Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, last one before we take our first break.
Speaker 1: Drew Sanders out of Arkansas. We kind of mentioned him
Speaker 1: a little bit on this show, but I don't think
Speaker 1: we've dove in the way that we should around him.
Speaker 1: He's a local prospect. Went to Denton Ryan High School,
Speaker 1: was offensive player, defensive player, did a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: went to Alabama, then transferred to Arkansas, and then blew
Speaker 1: up in Fayetteville. Brian, what have you seen when you
Speaker 1: look at Sanders. I'll tell you what, though, I'm The
Speaker 1: thing that's impressment about him to me is that the
Speaker 1: way that he's also can rush the passer, and I
Speaker 1: really really really like that. I think that this guy
Speaker 1: plays really well in space. I think he takes on
Speaker 1: blockers I think he uses his hands. I think they
Speaker 1: leverage the power. I think he could walk blockers back.
Speaker 1: He kind of gets himself free. He can get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback too. And I mentioned that about him as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, but the thing that he does is
Speaker 1: that extending his hands, he gets him there quickly and
Speaker 1: then he's able to get rid of that blocker and
Speaker 1: get to the ball. You know, he's a transfer from Alabama.
Speaker 1: I just think there's so many things that he was
Speaker 1: so well coached, you know, going from Alabama to Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I mean you see the instincts, you see the awareness
Speaker 1: and the fact that he actually can see him rush
Speaker 1: the passer. I think that makes him even more valuable.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Dane. Yeah, he's he's long, he's lean,
Speaker 1: he's athletic, and he's really he's cunning, you know, and
Speaker 1: as you see that as off the ball and you
Speaker 1: see it as an edge rusher, where you know, he
Speaker 1: has instincts in both areas where he can he can
Speaker 1: make plays. Above all, you want guys that can make
Speaker 1: plays at this position, right, Okay, Well, he's the only
Speaker 1: the second FBS player sends like two thousand to have
Speaker 1: at least ninety five tackles, at least twelve tackles for
Speaker 1: a loss, at least eight saves, at least three force fumbles,
Speaker 1: and at least one interception. The only other guy to
Speaker 1: do that in college football in the last twenty five
Speaker 1: years is Khalil Mack. This guy. If you want someone
Speaker 1: that will make plays, this guy did it. He filled
Speaker 1: the stat sheet this past year at Arkansas and it
Speaker 1: reflects on tape as well. With the movement skills and
Speaker 1: he's position wise, he's almost like a do everything front
Speaker 1: salmon defender where you know you want him to blitz,
Speaker 1: he can give you that you want him to drop
Speaker 1: in coverage. He does some nice things there. You know,
Speaker 1: I still think there's some things he's working out in
Speaker 1: terms of taking on blocks, and you know it's there.
Speaker 1: There's something because yeah, he played a lot of offense
Speaker 1: in high school, grew up into Oregon. His dad's a
Speaker 1: high school coach, so I mean he's been preparing this
Speaker 1: for a long time. I mean he's the type of
Speaker 1: guy that's been watching his nutrition since he was ten
Speaker 1: years old, waiting for this moment. So this is someone
Speaker 1: that is you're getting a pro I think we'll hear
Speaker 1: a lot of Layton Vanderesh comparisons as we get closer
Speaker 1: to a player like this, But you know, he's He's
Speaker 1: a guy I want to see cut down on the
Speaker 1: miss tackles, and I think his best football is ahead
Speaker 1: of him. He's more athletic than Lvee, right, Dan, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just a little bit more slender, moves better from
Speaker 1: a standpoint, but probably Yeah, I think at least he's
Speaker 1: stuck out from the early days. I did a lot
Speaker 1: of high school football work back in the day when
Speaker 1: he was a Denton Ryan, like you said, preparing since
Speaker 1: he was a kid to be this guy. He was
Speaker 1: a man playing amongst boys. He was one of those
Speaker 1: guys you knew would go to Alabama have some success.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen in Tuscaloosa, had happened in Fayetteville, but goodness,
Speaker 1: I mean, he was all over the field for the
Speaker 1: Razorbacks this past year. All right, let's take our first
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Speaker 1: alongside Brian brought us in, Dane Brugler. I'm Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: glad you're what us. Time now for your favorite segment.
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Speaker 1: Draft Show. Starting off with Stewart, our friend. Stewart says,
Speaker 1: when prioritizing picks, what do you what positions do you
Speaker 1: want to take early in the draft if the value
Speaker 1: is there? And what positions would you rather want to
Speaker 1: take later? Brian, Because you don't want to window dress
Speaker 1: your board. No, you don't wanna, you don't want to
Speaker 1: get too cute with it. No, but there are certain
Speaker 1: values and places that you can take certain positions. I
Speaker 1: think it goes really from draft to draft. Dane am
Speaker 1: am I going down the right path there because to me,
Speaker 1: I just think, especially when you're picking at the back
Speaker 1: end of the draft, you have to be very mindful
Speaker 1: of letting the board come to you. Now, if you
Speaker 1: start to see a guy slide that you really really like,
Speaker 1: where you start to see they'll be pockets of players.
Speaker 1: Dane will tell you in this draft he really likes
Speaker 1: the running backs. He'll tell you that he really likes
Speaker 1: the corners in this draft. You know, he'll tell you
Speaker 1: know he probably won't be as high on the wide receivers. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm putting all these words in Dane's mouth, but I
Speaker 1: just I trust this guy. He probably will tell you
Speaker 1: that the wide receivers are not as strong as they've
Speaker 1: been the last couple of years. I think there's certain
Speaker 1: positions that you just look at and you know in
Speaker 1: this draft that like, okay, if if I wait, where's
Speaker 1: the quality of guy? And I always believe this, especially
Speaker 1: if you're picking at the back end, you cannot select
Speaker 1: a player early enough. If somebody's all that's a reach.
Speaker 1: That's a reach. No, you tell me if I'm going
Speaker 1: to get back to my spot in the second round
Speaker 1: or late in the third round, that that same player
Speaker 1: is going to be there. No, it doesn't happen that way.
Speaker 1: So you have to be ready to maybe go for
Speaker 1: a player maybe a round earlier than you would think,
Speaker 1: especially at the back end of the draft. I just
Speaker 1: feel like that, but you could also you know, you'll
Speaker 1: see those positions and you feel like Okay, I could
Speaker 1: be a little bit more patient shit at corner because
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like all the guys are the
Speaker 1: are legitimately the same type of a player or a
Speaker 1: defensive end. Yeah, Guad Dane, I think you nailed it
Speaker 1: brought us when you said that it depends draft to draft.
Speaker 1: There are some drafts where you look at your board
Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, corner just drops off after the
Speaker 1: third round. I mean, we just don't have any day
Speaker 1: three corners we love, right, so let's make sure we
Speaker 1: get one in the first three rounds. So I think
Speaker 1: it just really depends on the flip side. You know,
Speaker 1: look at this running back class. It is absolutely loaded
Speaker 1: in the top four rounds, and that's something that you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna end up affecting where Bijean Robinson goes
Speaker 1: Bejean Robinson is one of the best talents in this draft,
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. But he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: drafted nearly as high as he should because the position
Speaker 1: an he plays and the fact that some teams will
Speaker 1: look at it and say, you know what, we've got
Speaker 1: starter level grades on guys that are going to go
Speaker 1: in the third maybe even someone Eric Gray from Oklahoma
Speaker 1: might fall to the fourth. Yeah, we feel really good
Speaker 1: about some of these guys, so we're let's take a
Speaker 1: tackle here in the first round and let's wait to
Speaker 1: get our running back later. So it just a drafted draft.
Speaker 1: I think it'll really really change up based off of
Speaker 1: the draft board and how teams feel about the Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you set your board, you will be able to see,
Speaker 1: you know, like what parcels will used to say. It's
Speaker 1: like they're stacked in there like club sandwiches. You know,
Speaker 1: the players are all stacked in and you try and
Speaker 1: get yourself a little bit of some depth or room
Speaker 1: between the you know, okay, first round, second round, third round.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't want to shove all these
Speaker 1: guys into that second round. And you know, it'll remind
Speaker 1: you when you when you when you lay it out,
Speaker 1: when you lay it all out, they'll start getting picked
Speaker 1: off and then you'll have two or three tags on
Speaker 1: a particular player and you're like, okay, I could trade
Speaker 1: back if I have to, because I got the same
Speaker 1: player right there. You know, the corners might be the same,
Speaker 1: you know, if whether you take you know, whatever corner
Speaker 1: you might take, there might be two or three of
Speaker 1: those guys that are kind of the same guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're not. It's like, okay, I can if if
Speaker 1: people are trying to come get your pick, you know,
Speaker 1: you can make that determination, or you're like, like Dane's
Speaker 1: talking about, if I don't take this guy right now,
Speaker 1: the drop off is so bad, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be able to get another one like him. That makes
Speaker 1: a lot of teams have to like push and go
Speaker 1: get a guy, particularly off that board. My producer mine
Speaker 1: is starting the churn with the conversation here. I think
Speaker 1: we would have a lot of fun if we brought
Speaker 1: a white board in here. Sure, and you've always talked
Speaker 1: about this show being very much so like a war room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: putting up a white board and then I'll run through
Speaker 1: scenarios with everybody and trying and we can actually build
Speaker 1: a board together because we all build our own boards.
Speaker 1: Dane's got his, You've got yours, I've got mine. We
Speaker 1: build these boards and then but you do it as
Speaker 1: scouts and then you come together and you build one,
Speaker 1: right cons this board. Yeah, so that might be something
Speaker 1: we look at on the horizon, kind of like that idea.
Speaker 1: All right, Charlie asked who are some of the the
Speaker 1: possible guard prospects that the Cowboys can look at, and
Speaker 1: rounds one through four we already hit outside. His touris
Speaker 1: in the first part of the show. If you'd missed it,
Speaker 1: you can rewind to go listen to that one. He's
Speaker 1: one of the ones in the first round. But are
Speaker 1: there any other guard prospects in this draft that excites you,
Speaker 1: Dane when it comes to the Cowboys and where they're picking,
Speaker 1: whether it's in the first round at twenty six, second
Speaker 1: round of fifty nine, or so on and so forth. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I think this is a pretty decent guard group in
Speaker 1: that range. Big fan of Cody Mock for North Dkota State.
Speaker 1: I mean, whether you play him guard center, I think
Speaker 1: you can do it. Former walk on at tight end
Speaker 1: is obviously built up his strength and his frame, but
Speaker 1: the movement skills, the tenacity that he brings. You know,
Speaker 1: I just going down to the Senior Bowl and him
Speaker 1: just where do you want me to play left guard? Okay,
Speaker 1: never played there. I grew like That's just that's how
Speaker 1: he attacks it. And I think that there will be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a learning curve for him going
Speaker 1: from the FCS to do the NFL, and obviously it's
Speaker 1: a big talent jump and then changing positions. He was
Speaker 1: a left tackle in college and so there will be
Speaker 1: a learning curve and some roadbumps for him. But I
Speaker 1: think in the long run you will be happy that
Speaker 1: you drafted Cody Mocks, probably somewhere in the second round.
Speaker 1: And then you know Steve a Vila from TCU is
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be interested to hear Brian's thoughts if
Speaker 1: he If Brian thinks of him kind of in the
Speaker 1: same vein as Osiris Torrence in terms of not being
Speaker 1: the best mover, but you want him to win confined spaces.
Speaker 1: He could do that. One more name I wanted to
Speaker 1: mention once you get into the third round and then
Speaker 1: maybe even to the fourth. Nick Selidivry from Old Dominion.
Speaker 1: He's another name to keep on the radar. Tackle in college,
Speaker 1: probably a guard in the NFL. I think he had
Speaker 1: a nice week down there at the Senior Bowl, and
Speaker 1: I think it's put himself in that third fourth round range. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I ask you this, Dane, how about Jordan McFadden
Speaker 1: from Clemson And the thing that kind of worries me
Speaker 1: a little bit about him as being six two was
Speaker 1: at his measurement? Is that what he is? Because working
Speaker 1: again off the six two three oh five, he was
Speaker 1: the starting left tackle at Clemson, and you're kind of
Speaker 1: right about a via by the way from TCU, that
Speaker 1: kind of that same. I really to me though, the
Speaker 1: further the heart, the further he has to go, the
Speaker 1: harder it is for him to block. You know, That's
Speaker 1: kind of what I was kind of thinking about with him.
Speaker 1: But I was also looking at this, like I say,
Speaker 1: I was looking there's McClendon from Georgia, who I think
Speaker 1: is six foot six four, three hundred pounds. Again, when
Speaker 1: I'm working off of right there, more of an athlete,
Speaker 1: more of a longer guy, you know, long limb, thin build,
Speaker 1: kind of a guy initial quickness, struggles a little bit
Speaker 1: with the sustain and the balance a little bit. But
Speaker 1: if you I like McFadden, I don't like the fact
Speaker 1: that he's six two though, that that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: an issue for me. Or am I seeing a guy
Speaker 1: that that that? You know, it's you know, it was
Speaker 1: just rare to watch him put his hand on the ground.
Speaker 1: But the pass set the balance, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, you've seen him get jerked
Speaker 1: out of his stance a little bit, you know, but
Speaker 1: does he have the link to keep defenders off him?
Speaker 1: You know, I just feel like that kind of like
Speaker 1: that to me, there's like that fit and run with
Speaker 1: his guy. You know, the guards that I've got through
Speaker 1: so far on this board, I'm a little bit nervous about.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not I'm not sitting there jumping up
Speaker 1: and down. And maybe the best one that we talked
Speaker 1: about was Torrents. You know, if you're going to go
Speaker 1: that route, you know, because the other ones, I think
Speaker 1: they all kind of have their awards to their game.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair with McFadden because he's, like he said,
Speaker 1: he's a left tackle who would be making a transition
Speaker 1: down to guard. Six two doesn't bother me as much
Speaker 1: at guard because I think with he has decent length
Speaker 1: to him. He has almost thirty four inch arms. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, a little disproportionate to his height, but you
Speaker 1: get him with that length and you know he can
Speaker 1: quick win I think inside of guards. So now McFadden
Speaker 1: didn't make my top one hundred, he was probably one
Speaker 1: of the top ten fifteen guys that just missed. So
Speaker 1: we're still talking about a third, fourth round guy. But
Speaker 1: in that mix, obviously they're in that range for a
Speaker 1: reason and not in the first two rounds, and so
Speaker 1: got to be fat and you're you're sacrificing a little bit.
Speaker 1: One other name to mention McClendon Curtis from Chattanooga, Okay,
Speaker 1: who had a really good week at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I think he you know, he did make my top
Speaker 1: one hundred. He would be a possible third round option.
Speaker 1: I think he needs a little more work than some
Speaker 1: of these other guys we've been talking about though. Going
Speaker 1: back to and by the way, I like McClendon Curtis
Speaker 1: because you watched those Senior Bowl practices. He was one
Speaker 1: of the guys from a smaller school where in the
Speaker 1: past they've had some ute Chattanooga guys out there and
Speaker 1: they haven't necessarily banned out or they haven't a little Well,
Speaker 1: that's a great thing about strange Dane and I we
Speaker 1: can all of us can talk about Ali Marpett and
Speaker 1: what he did at Hobart. So don't let a small
Speaker 1: school Kyle Dugger Kyle. I mean, yeah, there's there's some
Speaker 1: guys that have stepped in and played played well in
Speaker 1: this league being from those small school and that's a
Speaker 1: big reason and the Senior Bowl is as successful as
Speaker 1: it has been. Absolutely, going back to McClinton, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I wrote down when watching the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of things that he's
Speaker 1: good at. There's nothing that he's great at. And then
Speaker 1: with his size, I mean he's listed during the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: He was listed at six four, two ninety. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: he's at two ninety, I don't need lower body stiffness,
Speaker 1: and he was stiff multiple times throughout the tape. Throughout
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I thought I looked at his game
Speaker 1: and I didn't love the movement below the waist. And
Speaker 1: if if you're not able to move at two ninety,
Speaker 1: what happens whenever you get up to three ten, Well
Speaker 1: then you're at three oh five. Well here's one of
Speaker 1: these positions. So you know, the Cowboys are looking potentially
Speaker 1: at you know, potentially at a left guard. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, do you have enough candidates? You know, like
Speaker 1: to Dane's point, Torrents at twenty six, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go make that make that play. You
Speaker 1: want to fix the left guard spot, you go get
Speaker 1: Torrents because other than that, I don't think your options
Speaker 1: are particularly great. Again, I haven't seen all the guards yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that I'm getting a little nervous about the ones
Speaker 1: I have been seeing. Have y'all seen or I know,
Speaker 1: Dane seen McClendon go for a day. He's he's actually
Speaker 1: three thirty. He was three thirty at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: He's I mean, he's massive. I mean he's he's a
Speaker 1: guy that has actually damn mean, he was much heavier
Speaker 1: than that. I think three thirty is a good spot
Speaker 1: for him. He just needs to learn that in the
Speaker 1: NFL he won't gible to overpower everybody. That that's so
Speaker 1: Warren McClinton, Georgia three thirty, I mean we had him.
Speaker 1: I've got him at two ninety. Are you talking about
Speaker 1: Chatten Nougat McClinton. Oh, I'm sorry, Yeah, mclennen Curtis, Yeah, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: McClinton Curtis is three thirty. Yeah, I haven't seen. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the Chatta kid myself. The Warren McClendon was
Speaker 1: who I was saying at two ninety Dane gotcha, okay,
Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm probably keeping him outside I think at tackle,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that. I don't know how
Speaker 1: he's gonna look inside a guard. He's he's a tougher
Speaker 1: one that I don't know that. Um, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I haven't totally figured out yet. So Warren McClendon, just
Speaker 1: so the listeners can get it straight, Warren McClendon out
Speaker 1: of Georgia tackle, moving the guards, six foot four, two
Speaker 1: ninety and then outside Chattanooga or McClendon Curtis, So they're both.
Speaker 1: McClendon's one last name, one first name, and he's massive.
Speaker 1: He is absolutely massive, all right. I had multiple people
Speaker 1: ask me about Deuce Vaughan. The Deuce is loose, the
Speaker 1: running back from Kansas State, electrifying athlete. Of course, he's
Speaker 1: related to Chris Vaughn, who's in the scouting department here
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. Based off of what you've seen, are
Speaker 1: you impressed with what Deuce Vaughn could bring as like
Speaker 1: a mid round prospect at running back and somebody who
Speaker 1: could bring some electrifying aspects. You got that one, Dame,
Speaker 1: because I've got down through. I've got down through. I'm
Speaker 1: down through. Tank Bigsby is who I've got to. So
Speaker 1: I got six of these runners done. As a mid
Speaker 1: round guy, yeah, I think absolutely. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's someone like I didn't consider him
Speaker 1: from my top one hundred. You know, I think he's
Speaker 1: just at the size is tough at that position, and
Speaker 1: it's not you know, he's He's one of these guys
Speaker 1: that he's very built already, like he's already filled out
Speaker 1: his frame. He's not someone that's going to add ten pounds.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see exactly what he is weight
Speaker 1: wise at the combine. But and you see it. There
Speaker 1: are times where you know, as an inside runner, as
Speaker 1: soon as he meets a little bit of resistance, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's getting stalled out and so he doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 1: a ton of that inside power. But you get him
Speaker 1: out in space and you know, you look at what
Speaker 1: Boston Scott is for the Eagles. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think he can be that type of offensive playmaker where
Speaker 1: you get the ball in his hands in space, he
Speaker 1: will juke you out of your shoes. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got a little bit of juice to him, so he
Speaker 1: can make those pursuit angles be a little tough. So
Speaker 1: I mean duce Vaughan and the if I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the right value, which for me is like when we
Speaker 1: get to the fifth round. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to
Speaker 1: adduce Vaughn to my my my roster. I just don't
Speaker 1: think he's necessarily a guy we're talking about the top
Speaker 1: one hundred pick. Yeah. I had him as a fifth
Speaker 1: round date early grade, real quick and just you answers quick,
Speaker 1: I hope how close is Robinson? Bijean Robinson Texas and
Speaker 1: Jamar Gibbs from Alabama to you? Is that like one
Speaker 1: for running backs? Yeah? They're the easy one too. For me,
Speaker 1: I think that I have Bijean like six overall and
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs at like twenty one or something. Okay, So
Speaker 1: but they're there, there's like a thing okay, spots okay,
Speaker 1: but but skill skill wise, they're a little different too, okay, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: talent wise, I think they're they're both legit first round talents.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think, uh, you know, Bijean gives
Speaker 1: you a little more power obviously, he can break tackles
Speaker 1: in more ways Jamir and they're both very good pass catchers.
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs is a little more sudden than Bijean, and
Speaker 1: so you have a trade off. You know, you want
Speaker 1: the guy that's more power and more of a workhorse.
Speaker 1: You want a guy like Jamir Gibbs who is more sudden,
Speaker 1: but he's also probably not going to have as many
Speaker 1: carries in that body, as John Robinson gives you, what
Speaker 1: did you like about Gibbs when you watched him? Me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was clear when you watched like the Texas game,
Speaker 1: you know, when they were playing and there you know,
Speaker 1: Texas did a good job up front. I felt like
Speaker 1: handling what Alabama was trying to do. But Dane's right
Speaker 1: when it came down to like the toughness aspect of
Speaker 1: it and him having a you know, the vision, the
Speaker 1: ability to slash. I mean, he kind of has got
Speaker 1: to feel for how those blocks develop and then he's
Speaker 1: to the hole, through the hole. He's got quick feed,
Speaker 1: he's shifty, he's a burst, he's got an extra gear.
Speaker 1: I felt like you can see him separate from defenders.
Speaker 1: The start stop quickness, I think is the power. I mean,
Speaker 1: he'll line up all over the place, and play for you.
Speaker 1: I mean you can use him as a receiver. He
Speaker 1: catches the ball, he doesn't fight it, the soft hands,
Speaker 1: there's a lot. I mean, there's a lot to like
Speaker 1: about this kid. I was just curious with Dane because
Speaker 1: we all talk about Robinson. I think a really good
Speaker 1: consolation prize if you don't get Robinson would be Gibbs.
Speaker 1: I think his Gibbs is going to be a star.
Speaker 1: I really really do. M this is here with you.
Speaker 1: I think he is that type of talent and he's
Speaker 1: again he's not that body type. He was listed right
Speaker 1: around two hundred pounds, and so it'll be interesting at
Speaker 1: the combine. Is he two o five, two o six?
Speaker 1: What is he? Um? You know, I think if you
Speaker 1: if you took all Alvin Kamara and Chris Johnson and
Speaker 1: combined them, it would look something similar to Jamir Gibbs.
Speaker 1: He is that and I'm talking. I know these two
Speaker 1: running backs I'm talking about are legit, dude, So I
Speaker 1: understand this is high praise, but I'm with it, Brian.
Speaker 1: He is a potential star at the next level. It
Speaker 1: just you have to understand. And you know, this goes
Speaker 1: back and we talked about with Osiris torants understand what
Speaker 1: type of player he is, so you use him the
Speaker 1: right way. And in three years in college he only
Speaker 1: had two touchdowns on goal to go situations. You're not
Speaker 1: going to use him in some of those short yardish things,
Speaker 1: or at least as an up the gut runner. You know,
Speaker 1: you want him in space, you want him I think
Speaker 1: once something that included in my report on him, and
Speaker 1: this goes along with what you said, Bryan. He is
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman's best friend, absolutely, because he is so
Speaker 1: good at pressing, understanding what is you know, the patience.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna run up the block the back of
Speaker 1: his blockers. He understands what the run design is. He
Speaker 1: understands when to hit it and when it anticipates those openings,
Speaker 1: and he has the start stop footwork to boom go
Speaker 1: and he's through the hole as soon as it opens.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm with it. He's a star. We're watching
Speaker 1: some highlights of him right now on the video side
Speaker 1: of things, and there's twas true Sanders seeds to make
Speaker 1: that play. They're going up against Arkansas and back to
Speaker 1: back plays, or at least on the highlight reel, and
Speaker 1: he's bursting through the hole. He's got the vision, he's
Speaker 1: very patient, he's a lateral mover, and then boom, he
Speaker 1: hits it. You know what's funny? Guys like when I
Speaker 1: first started scouting in nineteen ninety two, like Robinson and
Speaker 1: Gibbs would have been top five, top ten pias yea.
Speaker 1: And now it's gonna be the conversation that's gonna tear
Speaker 1: everybody up exactly exactly. You're gonna have half and half
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have somebody saying don't ever take a
Speaker 1: running back in the first round. Then another half that's
Speaker 1: gonna say, well, they're going to be a star. All right,
Speaker 1: real quickly, last question, let's try and blow through this
Speaker 1: real fast. What are some dB names that could fit
Speaker 1: the dan Quinn mold. We talked a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: about banks from Maryland. Are there anybody else out there,
Speaker 1: Dane that could maybe be in that conversation? Well, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about length, we're talking about bigger guys,
Speaker 1: and you know I Kile Ringo is he a guy
Speaker 1: that do you think you know, maybe there'd be interest
Speaker 1: there because Keilee Ringo is just a freak at six
Speaker 1: two fifteen. You know the size that he brings. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, could he move to safety? And there's questions
Speaker 1: there and then once you get into uh, you know,
Speaker 1: day two and day three and some of those you know,
Speaker 1: that's what we saw them do like two years ago
Speaker 1: with some of those corners they drafted in the second
Speaker 1: third round. Um, you know guy like Eli Rish, you
Speaker 1: know Brian I know, yeah know Eli Ricks from his
Speaker 1: LSU days. How good he was a freshman now yeah,
Speaker 1: sophomore years, her junior year. He transfers Alabama and struggle
Speaker 1: to get on the field. But this guy is a talent.
Speaker 1: And when we talk about the discount sticker, he's got
Speaker 1: that on him. In third, fourth round, Eli Rix, maybe
Speaker 1: he's that reclamation project that Dan Quinn could be looking for.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you're talking about. Day two, day
Speaker 1: three kind of guys that Terik Stevens from Miami is
Speaker 1: one that I mean you look at him, six one,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fourteen pounds. That's what I was working
Speaker 1: off right there. I'll give you another one too, free
Speaker 1: safety Antonio Johnson six three one five pounds, physically looks
Speaker 1: every bit. I'll tell you what, I love this kid,
Speaker 1: I really, really do love this kid. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: like this second round kind of guy for me because
Speaker 1: I think there's there's some times where you talk about
Speaker 1: the tackling and I feel like that, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: like to see him wrap up a little bit better
Speaker 1: on some of this stuff. But man, he is a
Speaker 1: really good player in space. I love how he throws
Speaker 1: his body around. He's you know, he's just not gonna
Speaker 1: let anybody get buy him very easily. I think that
Speaker 1: the play all over the formation there. They'll put him
Speaker 1: in the slot, they they you know, wherever he has
Speaker 1: to play, he's gonna play. And I think the length
Speaker 1: about this kid really really helps it. Again, I mentioned
Speaker 1: Stevenson from from from uh Miami, Yeah, Miami, he has
Speaker 1: another guy. I think he might be a safety too.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I mean, you could play him it.
Speaker 1: He's got that ability to where he can I feel
Speaker 1: like he can cover. I feel like that he you know,
Speaker 1: he puts himself in position to make plays. The length
Speaker 1: helps him to knock the ball, the way he work
Speaker 1: around the receivers instead of through him. There's a there's
Speaker 1: some guys that in this secondary, whether whether it's corners
Speaker 1: or safeties. I think you're gonna make really good players
Speaker 1: for for somebody whoever drafts him. Antonio Johnson out of
Speaker 1: A and m and then Stevenson out of Miami. For
Speaker 1: both of both of those guys, Stevenson currently listed as
Speaker 1: a corner has that position flex and then Antonio Johnson
Speaker 1: listed as US safety. All right, let's take our second break.
Speaker 1: When we come back. Dane released his top one hundred
Speaker 1: on the Athletic. You can check it out as soon
Speaker 1: as write this second, as you should, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: hit some of the talking points on that and wrap
Speaker 1: things up on this edition of the Draft Show. Next.
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Speaker 1: Back here on the Draft Show, wrapping things up here
Speaker 1: from the Star in Frisco, presented by Miller Lite. Of course,
Speaker 1: we'll be back tomorrow eleven am Central Time. But before
Speaker 1: we wrap up this episode with Brian brought us, we've
Speaker 1: got Dane Brugler on the line from the Athletic. I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans and if you go on to the Athletic,
Speaker 1: Dane released his Top one hundred this week, his most
Speaker 1: recent edition of the Top one hundred. Dane one, fantastic
Speaker 1: work as always. Two. I want to know who was
Speaker 1: the biggest change, who had the most movement back and
Speaker 1: forth from your your original top one hundreds and now
Speaker 1: into this one. Well, and this is my first one
Speaker 1: hundred Top one hundred I've done. I did um you
Speaker 1: know a top fifty right back in December. And now
Speaker 1: now that we got past the All Star season, Okay,
Speaker 1: now time to reset the board. Get a top one
Speaker 1: hundred out there, and um a couple couple of juniors,
Speaker 1: because you know, I work so much on the seniors.
Speaker 1: And then right around this time is when I really
Speaker 1: dive into the underclassman. Uh Klijah Cancy, the undersized defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from Pitt Well. And that's you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: not gonna lie I. I have a small bias, you know,
Speaker 1: with smaller players. It's just something that you can't I'm human,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't get that out of your mind.
Speaker 1: There's smaller players that worries you. But the more and
Speaker 1: then so basically you go into watching tape and you
Speaker 1: make them overcome it with your eyes. And Kalijah Cancy
Speaker 1: was able to do that. Where you don't love the
Speaker 1: size on paper, you don't over you don't overcome the
Speaker 1: you know, or you worry about that lack of size
Speaker 1: the next level. But then the more you watch, the
Speaker 1: more you keep coming to the conclusion that, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy's just he's defeating blocks at will because he's so
Speaker 1: explosive of his hands are so quick and violent. He
Speaker 1: is you know, talk about quick wins up and down
Speaker 1: his tape. He's able to do that. And I just
Speaker 1: didn't think the lack of size was that much of
Speaker 1: a deterrent on film that would stop me from drafting
Speaker 1: him somewhere in the top forty picks. So, Kalaija Kancy
Speaker 1: is really really interesting and you know he's one of
Speaker 1: the top defensive tackles this year. You liked him a lot.
Speaker 1: I brought him up, Yeah, I do. I brought him
Speaker 1: up as a player. When last week when I was
Speaker 1: on with you guys, I mean this school does have
Speaker 1: a history. It does. I mean you can't. But Dane's right.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is six foot, he's two hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five pounds. You should everything about him. You
Speaker 1: should kill him on his lack of height. You should,
Speaker 1: and you can't because he's disruptive. This guy immediate attacks gaps,
Speaker 1: he works the edges, he'll chase. I mean, he's he
Speaker 1: makes his share of place. He's lateral quickness, redirect everything
Speaker 1: you want, push the pocket with power, the quickness, the
Speaker 1: moves and all that. He can win right off the jump.
Speaker 1: There's yeah, oh go ahead. You know, back in the
Speaker 1: day the old crusty's like me and the you know
Speaker 1: when we first started, you know, six foot two, seventy five,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have drafted this kid, but you can't. You
Speaker 1: gotta give him his due when you watch his tape.
Speaker 1: Really like what we've seen from him as well. Now, Dane,
Speaker 1: really quickly before we let you go and we get
Speaker 1: off of here, what is with all the tight ends.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of tight ends up in the top
Speaker 1: forty of your your top one hundred. Is this one
Speaker 1: of the better classes we've seen at that position recently.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. Um and and it's it's
Speaker 1: top heavy, and then it stretches. You know, if you
Speaker 1: get Sam Laporta in the third round, Yeah, you're feeling
Speaker 1: really good about that tight end from Iowa. But talking
Speaker 1: about that top five tight ends in my top fifty, four,
Speaker 1: in my top thirty, and it just it'll depend on
Speaker 1: what you want. You know, Michael Mayer is different than
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington, who's different than Dalton Kincave, who is different
Speaker 1: than Luke Musgrave. If you're looking for the true in
Speaker 1: line guy who can work over the middle of the
Speaker 1: field and be a productive player for you there, Well,
Speaker 1: the mayor is your guy from Notre Dame. But if
Speaker 1: you're looking for the high upside of Darnell Washington, who
Speaker 1: can be a sixth offensive lineman and has upside as
Speaker 1: a pass catcher, well then you're going to go that route.
Speaker 1: If you want maybe the best pure pass catcher at
Speaker 1: the group, Dalton Kincaid, and I think Luke Musgrave is
Speaker 1: maybe the best combination of those. So it really depends
Speaker 1: on your offense and what you're looking for, and that's
Speaker 1: a team by team those four players, you will have
Speaker 1: a different order based off what that offense does, how
Speaker 1: they operate, and what type of specific role they're looking for.
Speaker 1: Where don't you have schooner maker? Is it schoon maker?
Speaker 1: Is that how you say the name? Schoonmaker? Michigan, Michigan
Speaker 1: number one hundred. He was a guy I'm telling to
Speaker 1: make sure he was in there. Yeah, and you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, by the way, you know, when you
Speaker 1: look at this I thought he was for two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty eight pounds. That's kind of what the number
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him right now, six five two. I
Speaker 1: thought this guy was a good blocker. I really really
Speaker 1: do I think that he catches the ball well. But
Speaker 1: the one thing about him is the way that he's
Speaker 1: able to play on his feet. I love the fact
Speaker 1: the way that he's not getting thrown around. They use him,
Speaker 1: They run behind him, they use him as a point
Speaker 1: of attack blocker. He does it in a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways, movement motion. He's an athlete. As a route runner,
Speaker 1: he can get up the field. He doesn't label labor
Speaker 1: at all. He's smooth. I like him kind of as
Speaker 1: a guy that can do a lot of different things
Speaker 1: for you. They run the ball behind him, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times he's kind of athlete. Guys they
Speaker 1: go opposite, go away from him. Not this kid at all.
Speaker 1: Him and the him and the Alabama kid. Latta, yeah,
Speaker 1: latt I. You know you need to check why he
Speaker 1: wears that big old knee brace on the left knee.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you there's another one of those guys
Speaker 1: I kind of liked. If you're looking from those down
Speaker 1: the line guys, you like both those he did at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Yeah, you know, yeah, Kim lat To.
Speaker 1: When Brashon was in trouble, he looked for Jamir Gibbs.
Speaker 1: If Jamir Gibbs wasn't out there. He was looking for
Speaker 1: cam Law too. I mean that's how you know that
Speaker 1: offense worked at Tuscaloosa. But yeah, I mean you could.
Speaker 1: You don't have to stop there. I mean Tucker Craft
Speaker 1: from South Dakota's no questions being slept on. I mean
Speaker 1: he is to me, and he came in right at
Speaker 1: number fifty. You know he's a mid second round guy.
Speaker 1: Davis Allen from Clemson, there's a lot like about him.
Speaker 1: Breton Strange from Penn State, Braden Willis from Oklahoma is
Speaker 1: a good player. So yeah, this tight end class, it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to pass on one of those
Speaker 1: four guys we talked about in that late first round,
Speaker 1: but if you do, there will be several other guys
Speaker 1: that you like in the second, third, fourth round. Lots
Speaker 1: of tight ends to keep an eye on, lots of
Speaker 1: prospects to keep an eye on. And if you want
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on all those guys, tune into
Speaker 1: the Athletic with Dame Brugler and company. He does great
Speaker 1: work over there. And this won't be the last time
Speaker 1: we'll see Dane on the Draft show this year, but
Speaker 1: we appreciate him filling in for Ayisha and Bobby who
Speaker 1: will hopefully be back tomorrow, but for Brian brought us
Speaker 1: Dame Burglar, Chris Beam in the back, Um Kyle Yeoman
Speaker 1: saying so long from the draft show. We'll see tomorrow
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