WEBVTT - Draft Show: Targeting Talent 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:09.560 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.400 war room for incenter news and craft analysis from deep 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.279 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:25.079 the Dallas Cowboys Smith and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.600 Today is Wednesday, February fifteenth, twenty twenty three. We are 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.640 now just seventy two days away from the NFL Draft 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.000 in Kansas City. And this is the Draft Show presented 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.879 by Miller Light Light from the Star in Frisco and 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.880 the SWBC Studios alongside Brian Brottis in studio, I'm Kyle Yeoman's. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:44.800 We've got Cris Beam in the back running things and 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:50.040 joined again on the phone line remotely from Ohio, the 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:55.000 great Dame Brugler from the Athletic joining us again. Our 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.440 live studio audience loves it as well. We've got two 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.360 of the greatest draft minds the media. In my opinion, 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.240 thank you on this show. At the same time, this 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:05.960 is gonna be a fun one. I'll tell you what 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:07.880 it is fun. It is a lot of fun. And 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.600 when you know, we're gonna miss Aisha today, hopefully she'll 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.800 be back with us tomorrow. But Bobby too and Bobby, 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.160 but to have to have Dane on, I mean, I 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.880 go so far back with this guy and now to 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:26.120 see all the success and the way he handles that success, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.640 but also the way he handles the criticism to keep 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.720 coming back and doing this, I think is is a lot. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.959 It's a lot of fun. I love. I love working 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.560 with this man. I have for I've loved watching him 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.560 grow as a draft analysis guy. I think he's one 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:46.960 of the best in the business. And I'll tell you 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.880 what if I if I ever was a general manager again, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.240 which probably will never happen to Dan, I'm sorry about this, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.920 that would be the first cat I'd hire. But I'd 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.440 go to work for this guy too if he was 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.960 a general manager, because he'd probably a lot better general 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.560 manager than me. But you think, I'm perfectly fine, uh 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.120 doing this with with you guys you know on the 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:10.000 media side. Been over ten years now, Yeah, yeah, ten 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.760 years we've been doing this. Uh and you know our 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.880 conversations on air, off the air about these guys. Um, No, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.239 I've I've learned so much from you, and so it's 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.160 it's been fun to apply that into my own scouting. Um. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.880 It's wait criticize people who are criticizing stuff. I'll tell 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.440 you what, man, you're learning. You're learning how to handle 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.440 it because it's it's that they don't always they don't 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.880 always see this eye to eye. You know. I tell 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.120 you what. It used to bother me, and now it 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.280 doesn't bother me anymore. I just talk about ice cream, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.440 your rocky roads, my chocolate chip. Man. We're all good here, 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.079 just as long as you put in the work. Now 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.920 you can say whatever you want, right, you got it. 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.320 I love the fact that that Brian's bringing up criticism 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.880 because part of my goal today is to get you 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.280 guys to fight over one player, all right. I just 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.280 I want one guy that I want to see you 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.160 both disagree on, and I wanted you to just go 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.320 mano emano one on one. He's gonna he's gonna like 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.639 a slow He's gonna like a slow footed guard from Florida. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:16.320 I guarantee you that you like good players. The guy's 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.640 a slow footed guard. You know it. Let's get into it. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:21.640 That's the first name on my list. I might be 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.160 really good at this. So I want to hit some 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.960 cowboys draft targets because there are a ton of guys 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.399 and girls out in the media and out on their 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.400 own doing their own scouting, and honestly, I think that's 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.640 a great thing. Man. What's really cool about this whole 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.680 process is that there are so many opinions. Yeah, and 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.000 they get the flood in and Cowboys Nation has so 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.560 many loyal and true fans that are are not just 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.320 fans anymore. They're their own scouts and they fuel, they 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.320 build their own opinions, and they've got their own shows. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.320 So you start to see these names emerge out of 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.560 those those accounts on Twitter or on YouTube or these 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.040 different shows that are out there that are all fantastic. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.440 I want to hit some of those names and hopefully 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.839 I want to get your opinion on one of them. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.240 And one of them is the slow footing card out 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.400 of Florida that Brian just brought up. Oh, Cyrus Torrence. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.920 He's an offensive lineman. He's got some skill to him, 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.760 really good tape. Went to the Senior Bowl, was impressive 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.560 in Mobile. I'll let Dane start give me your scouting 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.240 report on Osiris Torrance, and then I'll let Brian follow 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:29.479 it up. This guy did not have to transfer to 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.560 Florida to be a top forty draft pick. He was 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.920 already that at Louisiana, he decided to go challenge himself. 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.880 He followed his head coach Billy Napier to Florida this 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.719 past year, and all he did was earned first team 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.400 ll Sec played extremely well as a senior for a 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.599 guy that's his size, that thick, wide frame. He can 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.320 dominate in the run game. You know you see him. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.760 He's got boxing gloves for hands. He just punches his 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.520 way where he wants. He'll drive you away from the 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.000 run and then in pass pro he can set, set 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.240 his anchor drop his hips. And you know, is he 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.240 a guy do you want on the move all the time? No, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.760 not necessarily. I think his connection rate when you ask 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.200 him to climb or get on the outside can be 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.599 inconsistent at times. But if you want a phone booth 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.440 blocker who you know you're you're not asked to move 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.960 all the time. Can move some, but not all the time. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.240 He will dominate the man in front of him. And 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.599 that's why you know he is one of the top 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.920 thirty prospects in this draft and has a good chance 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.560 to go first round. Yeah, you know, Dane is right 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.080 about the mass, and he's right about the movement and 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.120 I the thing is, I don't see a nimble player, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.000 and that's and maybe that's hard for a guy that's 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.760 and I think he's dropped weight. I think Dane, initially 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.760 we were looking at this guy as a three hundred 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.240 and forty seven pound player. I think he's somewhere now 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.800 in three hundred and thirty five pounds is what they 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.080 meant they went down. So you know, if if if 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.039 I'm if that's if, if it means him continually drop 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.359 and wait, I'm all about that because I think it 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.080 can only help him. There you go. I mean, that's 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.800 that's ten pounds from what we were talking about, so 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.279 you know that can help him. I think the thing 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.360 about him is that he uses that mask to keep 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.400 rushers off the quarterback, and I'm okay with that. You know, 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.880 the defenders have a hard time moving him. They've had 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.960 a hard time going through him. You know, if you 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.000 rush him down the middle, there's a pretty good chance 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.279 that he is going to handle you. You know, he's 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.200 to me, it's when things get a little bit on 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.719 the edge. I think you can get him to get 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.320 over the top of his feet and that will be 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.960 a little bit of a problem for him. And so 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.760 I just feel like that to me, when you know, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.479 when you watch him play, he could be a little 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.200 tick slow coming off the ball. And if you're a 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.359 massive guy and you're a little bit slow, and you know, 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.039 you're already probably at a probably at a disadvantage right there. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:54.360 The guy is in Dan's right. He came from from Louisiana. Uh, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.520 you know, he came with his coach. You know, there's 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.000 a lot of really some positive things about him, though. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.159 I think in this day and age, the more I 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:06.160 watched these NFL games, we saw a really active athletic 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.040 offensive line. Yeah, a big line in Philadelphia, even in 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.480 Kansas City and the Super Bowl, with that ability to 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.240 play on the edge, to get into space, to get 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.600 to the second level. I just think Osias Torrence is 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.040 a guy that, yeah, absolutely consider, but just know the 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.400 type of player you're going to get. If you're expecting 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.800 a nimble, light footed guy, this is not going to 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.400 be your guy. You're just not mass power strength. That's 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.640 absolutely the guy you need to look at the way 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.680 that I described it in my go Ahead, Dane, how 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.520 let you go quick? On Florrance Path walking snaps in 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.680 college four years, zero sacks, allowed this last year and 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.720 now going from the Sunbelt of the SEC, he had 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.760 zero penalties, which is very impressive. You know, he had 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.600 you know, two or three at Louisiana last year and 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.640 then for them to this past season, to go to 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.520 Florida and have zero penalties says a lot about him. So, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.160 I mean, I agree for the most part, I think 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.440 you know, Brian and I see the player very similar. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.640 I'm just a little more optimistic about his fit at 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.640 the next level. And I mean he's a plug and 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.000 play starter in my month, first round strength is what 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.120 I had. First round strength, third round movement. Because I'm 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.280 right there with you, I think he has limitations in 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.800 movement and pulling and even in past protection sometimes, which 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.760 if you're in a phone booth as a guard, ye 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.160 you're gonna be okay. Yeah, for the most part. The 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.200 penalties thing there is interesting because my when I watched 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:36.120 this guy, I see a bigger Tyler Smith where there's 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.120 footwork problems, but the strength is there. And if you, 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.440 of course watched the show last year, we weren't very 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.760 high on Tyler Smith until we really got to know 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.000 who he was and where he was going to end up. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:52.480 Playing with this team. I'm worried about having multiple guys 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.440 like that, like pairing Tyler Smith with a guy like 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.200 Osiris Torrence. If Smith's gonna be your left tackle and 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.280 then Torrence is expected to be your guard, then you 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.080 have two slow moving, big strength guys. Is that going 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:06.560 to limit what you could do up from Let me 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.600 ask you this a question, real quick, dame, Am I 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:14.080 over am I over analyzing the movement part of it? 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.360 I mean, do you do you? I mean, because you're 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.120 talking about a phone booth player. To me, that's kind 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.439 of a limited you know. When I think phone booth, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.880 I think a small area player is what I'm looking 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.080 at right there. So you don't see a guy that 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.880 plays really wide right that you can use in that 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:38.680 in that way completely honest. I do think it's a 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.040 disservice to use the word slow with him, Okay, I 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.280 think like for me, I use the word average. I 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.000 think as a parkiller out in space, he's a very 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.559 average mover um And so I think if you you're 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.520 not asking to do it every snap, but he can 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.920 do it, and I think that you can do it. Uh, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.640 you know enough too. He's not going to hurt you. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.840 Now if you are a an offensive line and offense 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.800 that wants to be on the move all the time, 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.840 he's probably not a fit for you. But if you're 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.719 on the move some of the time, I think he 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.360 can handle it. I don't think he's slow. I think 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.040 he's just his movement skills are more average than above average. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.559 So then you can know that's that's fair because to me, 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.760 like I said, I just look at these offensive lines 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.319 that play now, I don't think this guy's for everybody. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.400 I really really don't know. If there's some teams that 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.200 like to bully you up front, and that's the type 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.199 of guy I think this guy is. I think he's 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.760 a bully type of a player. We'll see with Mike Solari. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.520 If you're the Cowboys, you know, and again we're trying 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.760 to be an all service group here. You know, if 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.680 you're one of these guys or gals that are watching 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.920 us and your team plays with athletic offensive lineman like 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.120 Dane's talking about, this is probably not your guy. I mean, 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.199 you know a lot of space playing. But if you're 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.440 a power team, power gap all that, if you just 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.720 want to like double team and push on guys and 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.640 stuff like that, absolutely this guy is probably somebody you 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.160 need to look at. I also I can speak on 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.680 then you mentioned good day, Sorry you mentioned that you 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.320 mentioned the chiefs. Uh, yeah, you know. I don't think 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.520 you know it's Tray Smith at guard. Does he have 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.280 uh you know that much more mobility than an Osyrius Torrens. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.240 I don't think so. I mean, I do think that 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.440 a guy like this can survive in you know, I 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.320 think is he better for some schemes more than others, Yes, 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.480 but I still think he could be survived and be 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.520 just fine in most offenses in the NFL. Yeah, I 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.880 just like, let's say, but the thing with me with 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.440 with Kansas City is that you do see second level 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.280 blocks and stuff like that. That's just watching them play. 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.440 I just feel like, though to me that you know, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.120 you're not wrong about Smith. The thing I just think, 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.840 I just if this if you're just interested in, like, okay, 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.280 well in the in the word phone booth tells me 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.920 short area, small area, you know, And I think in 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.959 this day and age, though, you you know you if 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.920 you can control the down lineman, you can get back 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.560 through into the second level. So I don't think this 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.440 as one of these huge things I just think you 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.160 have to know what you're getting with this player. If 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.000 you think that he is going to be on the 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.240 edge or on the second level a lot. I don't 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.720 think that's his cup of tea. I really really don't. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.240 So that's just that's just kind of how I feel 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.360 about this. It's probably one of the limitations that you 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.800 have to have with taking a guy at twenty six. You're, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.160 like you we talked about previously, you're gonna have twenty 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.760 first round grade. So if Dane's sitting here telling you 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.640 that at twenty six you can grab a guy who 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.280 is a plug and play starter right now but still 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.240 has growth to go in his game, that might be 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.680 exactly what they're thinking. And as I was saying a 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.520 moment ago, based off of what I've heard across the building, 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.319 they really like Torrence. Yah. Know that strength the fit 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.400 and you should, you absolutely should. I mean all that. 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.079 Just just know what you're getting in the player. Just 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.199 know what you're getting in the player right there, because 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.680 you know, like like I say, I think there's things 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.040 that you're gonna have to There's some things he's gonna 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:55.720 struggle with, but there's gonna be some things you're gonna 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.680 absolutely love with I say, the size, the power of 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.960 the mass, those are all things Dane, real quick? Do 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.160 you have him like is a is he one of 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.760 a first round grade for you? Or is he more 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:10.160 like player thirty or twenty eight twenty nine? Where is 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.719 he on your ranking? Yeah, he's top thirty, twenty eight, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.120 twenty nine. Run there, okay one or okay two? Yeah? Yeah, 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.040 a guy that could come in and start. And you 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.720 know you said plug and play, and I don't disagree. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.679 I don't disagree with you on plug and play. I 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.600 don't disagree with that. Just know what you're getting in 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.640 the player. Yeah. No, I mean, like I say, I 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.120 have my preference of just again watching some of these 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.480 offensive line play and just how these teams are able 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.320 to just affect defenses in the running game by getting 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.920 guys they secure down lineman and now they're getting guys 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.200 up on the second level. That's how I mean. But 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.400 you gotta guy like Brian. I would say that to 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.719 me that he is more like I would have him 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.959 more in the bottom like thirty five to thirty eight 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:56.840 is where I would have him right there. I don't 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.880 right now, I've got him at thirty right far off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.640 I think that's the thing though, is is across the board, 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.600 Dallas tends to value the unteachable traits when they go 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.240 with these first round lineman. Is it more teachable to 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:16.120 teach that strength or tot to teach the footwork If 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.560 he keeps losing weight, that's easier. If all of a 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.480 sudden he's down to when we get him to camp 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.680 and he's he's a three thirty Yeah, he's a three 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.720 hundred and twenty five pound guy. That is a huge 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.400 difference from what he was playing at. Yeah, yeah, I 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.800 mean that. Then then if he gets down to that 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.520 three twenty five or three twenty three whatever weight, he's 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.840 gonna be more like what Dane's talking about than what 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.640 I'm talking about. And that kind of sounds fun. Yeah, 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.200 I like that one a little bit better, all right, Uh, 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.440 Moving into the secondary real quickly. This is Deonte Banks 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.880 Maryland corner. You talk about the size and the length 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.560 and the physicality that he has kind of fits that 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.560 dan Quinn mold a little bit, Brian, what have you 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.520 seen from him? I'll tell you what minute and again 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.240 I'm working on a height and tell me if I'm 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.640 wrong about this. Six foot two oh seven and the 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.120 first line I said, out of this thing, Burglar was 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.640 ideal size for a corner. I love the physical side 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.120 this guy has to his game. He's comfortable when it's 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.600 coming to playing his style. You know that type of thing. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.360 I mean, he loves that. He's not afraid to come forward. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.000 He's not afraid to tackle. That's a big thing with 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.000 me nowadays. I think you give up so many of 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.680 these in the secondary. If you cannot tackle, I can't 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.880 play with you. I mean, there's so many big plays 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.640 in these games. I gotta have a physical player. I 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.480 love how he sticks his nose in the action. I 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.680 think he's a sticky man player. He's got some feel 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.480 for how to position himself. He can pin receivers near 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.080 the sidelines. The movement, the recovery. This guy's just not 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.120 going to give an inch when he plays technique. I 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.000 find a guy that can locate the football. He's not 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.760 late getting his head around. There's a lot of really 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.200 good things that I like about this kid, but the 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.120 physical aspects of the traits of him, I think I 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.480 like about him the most. I think you The way 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.680 I described him in my report was he's a cover 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:09.240 and clobber corner where and he's he's you like the size, 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.560 but he has the speed. He's got rangey speed. Like 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.960 you said, he likes to get physical um and not 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.760 just in the run game, but up and down the 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.600 field with route runners. I really like him at the 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.240 top of routes. A lot of guys Keiley Ringo, you 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.200 could run him off the top of a route every 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.560 single time if just come back, come back, come back 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.720 every time. But with a guy like Dantay Banks. You 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.440 throw in the Ohio State tape, you see him covering 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.920 Marvin Harrison Junior, who's gonna be a top five seven 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.440 pick next year, and he's playing with him at the 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.200 top of routes. He's doing a really nice job sinking, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.880 using his footwork, anticipating what's coming based off of what 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.960 the route is, the route runner, based on what the 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.440 offense is doing the alignment. So there's a lot to 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.160 Deontay Banks. And trust me, I put him in my 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.960 first round mock uh you know, back in November, and 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.440 I got some pushback on that. Don't move You got 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.600 him right? No, No, you got him right? You did, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.840 you got him right? He's yeah, I think he's he's 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.840 a legit NFL story. And I think the key for 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.639 him is when he struggled, it's when he didn't trust 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.600 his technique, when he kind of it just fell apart 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.040 a little bit. When he trusts his technique, he's an 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.920 NFL starter all day. And so it's just a matter 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.199 of consistency for him. And this is a fun corner class, right, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.879 And I've got Christian Gonzalez is my top guy. And 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:24.960 then you know, we talked about Joey Porter Junior and 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:29.800 talk about I really really like Devon Witherspoon from Illinois. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.280 But Deante Banks he's right there, uh, in the top 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.720 five six corners in this class. He's he's a really 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.879 good player. How would you have him? Or Cam Smith 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.680 from South Carolina? How would you? How would you? I struggle. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:47.640 I struggles. He's tough because he's he he freelances way 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.840 too much for me, the like it's it's kind of 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.800 reminds me J. C. Horne. Maybe it's just the uniforms 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.360 at South Carolina uniform Yeah, but you know the way 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.520 he freelances, the hands on approach. Um, you know, there's 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.399 a few off stuff he needs to work out too. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.040 But in my top one hundred that I came out 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.040 with on the Athletic yesterday. He was number fifty one 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.879 overall for me. Yeah, and Banks was a right around thirty. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.800 So okay, I've got a decent, almost a full round 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.760 difference between the two. I'll tell you what. I think 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.040 you got the cats right, I really do. I thought 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.080 that Smith was a little bit more of a guesser 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.280 then and then when you watched him play. I like 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.560 the fact that he could play slot and he could 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.400 play on the outside. But you know, but that's that's 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.520 where you know. You don't see him play a lot 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.600 of tight coverage. Everything was off and lose and that 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.960 kind of thing with him. So I think you got 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.679 the separation of the players, right, I really really do. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.280 I've got Banks is my third corner right now, and 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.720 I have Smith is my fourth. They're right there. And 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.120 I think I like cam Smith a little bit more. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.560 Maybe it is the uniform because even though he does freelance, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.800 I still think he makes plays, whereas Deontay Banks, he 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.440 had what eight pass breakups as a senior. I mean, 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.960 he's not the production in the passing game wasn't there, 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.400 but he made up for that with his with his 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.439 his runde fence, with his ability to tackle. He had 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.280 forty tackles or something like that in his final season. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.800 I'm hearing when I hear Deontay Banks Dane, I'm hearing 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.320 a complimentary corner to the opposite side of Treyvon Diggs. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.200 Because you think about the speed and the ball skills 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.040 and the coverage ability of Treyvon Diggs, but he's not 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:19.719 a run defender. He's not gonna come up and hit 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.640 you where on the other side, you've got a guy 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.760 like Banks that could come down. He'll play in the run, 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.080 play against the past, keep at the top of the routes, 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.480 and then shut down somebody on the opposite side. That's 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.920 a complimentary one two punch at corner that the Cowboys 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.520 haven't had in quite some time, Right, I think that 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.600 makes a lot of sense. Yeah, a guy that you 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:41.680 can trust out there by himself on an island, obviously, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.080 is he yet to ask yourself? Is he ready to 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.520 step in as a rookie from day one and be 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.760 that guy if you're going to invest a first round 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.280 picking him. And that's something that you know, obviously will 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.040