WEBVTT - NBA Teams We Hate! | 2026

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<v Speaker 1>What these young bloods have to understand, that this game

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<v Speaker 1>has always been and will always be about buckets. Just

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<v Speaker 1>attack the basket.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it! Stop it!

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot do it like that!

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<v Speaker 2>With no regard for human life!

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<v Speaker 1>Bang!

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<v Speaker 3>Bang!

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe you've done it again!

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me? Welcome to Buckets.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Matt Moore. This is Buckets presented by DraftKings Sportsbook.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me today, Joe Dallara, Brian Fonseca. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>hater episode. We're going to do the bear market today.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the teams that we want to fade coming

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<v Speaker 2>up this season, whether it's win total under a mineshaft,

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<v Speaker 2>under miss the playoffs, whatever that is, we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be talking about it today on Buckets. Glad to

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<v Speaker 2>and you're ready to go. Brian Viteka joins us for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time this bucket season. I'm glad to have

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<v Speaker 2>my guy Brian back. Brian, how you doing, buddy?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, overall.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything with Brian is always laced heavily with context and subtext.

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<v Speaker 3>I say a lot what I'm saying a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you say a lot without saying a lot. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a very good way to put it. I'm actually going

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<v Speaker 2>to start introducing that way. Brian Pateka, he says a

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<v Speaker 2>lot without saying a lot. Joining me back again is

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Dallara. If you're watching at YouTube.com slash The Action Network,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not, if you're listening on the podcast, just

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<v Speaker 2>go open up the YouTube page so you can see

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<v Speaker 2>the mustache. I asked before the show came on if

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<v Speaker 2>his wife approves of this structure that exists on his face,

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<v Speaker 2>and she says she really likes it and that it

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<v Speaker 2>makes him look tough. Emphatically. Yes. And that it makes

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<v Speaker 2>him look, quote, tougher. So I'm going to need you

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<v Speaker 2>in the comments here at YouTube.com slash The Action Network.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also tweet at me at HPBasketball. Please let

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<v Speaker 2>me know if you think Joe Dallara looks tougher with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a specific phrase to describe this type of

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<v Speaker 2>mustache that is on your face, Joe Dallara?

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jim called it a duster.

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<v Speaker 3>A duster.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how Jim, that's how Jim categorized it. Cause the

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<v Speaker 1>W our W listeners and W watchers have been seeing

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<v Speaker 1>it now for the past, you know, a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a couple of months actually. So, you know, Thanks for.

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<v Speaker 2>Outing me that I haven't been watching, watching buckets. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you just like, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been listening though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Every episode I should, I will be, I will

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<v Speaker 2>be totally honest. I love the W and I love

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<v Speaker 2>watching it, but the problem is like, I am so

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<v Speaker 2>burned out by the time that the finals end that

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, My wife is like, hey, do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go watch a rocket? No sports! I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to sit and read a book. No sports! And so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do anything until football starts.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you read anything interesting lately?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, God. I read so many great things.

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<v Speaker 3>I need recommendations.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to talk about this with you, but

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<v Speaker 2>if I don't get to the picks, not only will

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners kill us, but also Giver Gould will appear

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<v Speaker 2>in a puff of smoke and stab me with a trident.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the little devil.

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<v Speaker 1>A trident is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, David Payne, our producer.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to do teams to fade. This is

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<v Speaker 2>our bear market episode. We did bullish on Friday. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got MVP out tomorrow's all the rest of the awards

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<v Speaker 2>with Jim Turvey, all of the stuff, all the best

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<v Speaker 2>bets are going in the action network app. I am

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<v Speaker 2>also going to be for the, Hey, here's a novel idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually creating a doc. That's going to track all

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<v Speaker 2>of our futures, both in preseason and throughout the course

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<v Speaker 2>of the season. So I'm going to just like pull

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<v Speaker 2>all those in. And we'll have a big master list

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<v Speaker 2>of everything that we're betting as far as preseason stuff

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<v Speaker 2>or preseason futures and futures throughout the year. on buckets.

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<v Speaker 2>So these are the teams that we're going to fade.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start much like we did with the,

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<v Speaker 2>with the bull market episode with, I just, I want

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<v Speaker 2>my money fading them. These are just flat out. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the teams that you just don't think are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be good. You're just like, this market is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I am emphatically like, no, this isn't just like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the number's like the number's a little high or, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a good play to get here on the,

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<v Speaker 2>on the extreme outcome. This is just like, Nope, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not buying it. And I want to start with Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Fonseca because the number is not particularly high, and yet, God,

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<v Speaker 2>do I want to join him on this one. Brian Fonseca,

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<v Speaker 2>what is your first team to fade this season?

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<v Speaker 3>Golden State Warriors under 39.5 wins.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, tell me why.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though the Western Conference, I don't think, is as

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<v Speaker 3>deep as the Eastern Conference- I think in general, the

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<v Speaker 3>NBA is very deep this year. I just, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is the team that won 37 games last year. I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't see it with this team who didn't do

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<v Speaker 3>much in the off season outside of the draft. I

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<v Speaker 3>like the axle. I don't know what that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>look like in warriors ball. Like right away. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a bit of a, even though he's

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<v Speaker 3>an older rookie and I think he's going to be good.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's going to be, it's going to take

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<v Speaker 3>some time. I'm not a Pajemski guy in terms of like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's a solid player. I'm not in the

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<v Speaker 3>camp that thinks he's a star waiting to happen. Stephen

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<v Speaker 3>Curry is also entering year 18 of his career. And

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<v Speaker 3>I know that he has a game that is and

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<v Speaker 3>will age well, but he's approaching 40 years old. Chris Asporzingas,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't, I don't know how much he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to play. Curry doesn't even know where he is. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>is he, like someone asked me, a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>is he a trade candidate? I responded with, is he

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<v Speaker 3>a buyout candidate? Because I don't know what the future

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<v Speaker 3>of Chris Asports is going to be. Draymond Green, same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then with the bench, like I wouldn't say that

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<v Speaker 3>they're a deep team at all. I think that there's

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<v Speaker 3>players that I like kind of, but all of this

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<v Speaker 3>put together, it's just really, really, really mid at best

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<v Speaker 3>and probably worse than that. Like, I don't think this

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<v Speaker 3>is a playoff team. I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 3>a play in team. And I just don't see it

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<v Speaker 3>with this team at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to argue. My projection on them is 34 and

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<v Speaker 2>a half. So I should be all about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love the spot. And that is a concern

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And I'll kind of talk about this. So

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<v Speaker 2>pulled some data on this. They're in this kind of caliber.

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<v Speaker 2>You do kind of want teams that are 40 to 45.

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<v Speaker 2>Those teams usually have upward momentum. Non-playoff teams go over

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<v Speaker 2>about 51% of the time. It's basically a coin flip.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's not like a good trend either way on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But this one is kind of interesting, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>mid-range lines. If you're in that, like if you're between

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<v Speaker 2>35 and 45 and you're a non-playoff team, those teams

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<v Speaker 2>have gone over 55% since 2011. And that makes me

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<v Speaker 2>like a little bit nervous. This team is priced in

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<v Speaker 2>that range and it makes sense, right? this line is

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<v Speaker 2>very much the books. I think, I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>a market line of, well, they're not great, but I

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<v Speaker 2>can't bottom them. Like we can't rocket them down to

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<v Speaker 2>35 wins. So it's like, all right, they're about 500,

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<v Speaker 2>but this feels like the range of outcomes is pretty

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<v Speaker 2>wide as far as like what can potentially happen. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know when Butler's coming back. It sounds like they

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<v Speaker 2>want him back before the end of the season. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think Moody, if Moody was coming back, I would

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<v Speaker 2>probably be like, Oh, I might want to know over here.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause I think Moody's really good, but he's also.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Moody also. I mean, and you know how I

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<v Speaker 3>feel about Jimmy Butler, but I also don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>we see him before at the all-star break.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing is that I, I really, I'll, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>let you go in just a sec, Joe. I really, really, really,

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<v Speaker 2>because he talks shit to Cameron Boozer in pre in

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<v Speaker 2>the summer league. I am like, very anti-yaxal and like

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<v Speaker 2>just the whole thing with yaxal i am not in on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah he's polarizing and he will be polarizing he will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be polarizing on a team with another polarizing guy but

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<v Speaker 2>also like it sounds like he's really good like the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that kerr is talking him up as much as

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<v Speaker 2>he is i'm kind of like like one it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>not great that kerr's like hey our rookie could be

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<v Speaker 2>like our second best offensive player that's a bad sign

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also what if he is just like a

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<v Speaker 2>really impact guy joe what do you Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, Yaxel said some crazy stuff today. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about rebounding being easier in the NBA, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you have not played an NBA game yet. I get

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<v Speaker 1>that you played summer league, you play in preseason. That

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<v Speaker 1>is just not an NBA game still.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems a little crazy to even get there. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think, again, it's like we've seen this team. When

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<v Speaker 1>Curry goes down, they are so bad. They fall off

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<v Speaker 1>a cliff bad. And Curry is just getting older. We

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<v Speaker 1>see him missing games. Like we can't even do the

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<v Speaker 1>auto bet anymore of him to just lead the league

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<v Speaker 1>in threes because you don't even know if he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to play the, not even the minimum for awards, like

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<v Speaker 1>the minimum for games that you need to qualify for

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<v Speaker 1>like the lead leaders of 56. I just have serious

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<v Speaker 1>concerns about this team. And again, like I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation where if somebody, if something does go wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>with Curry or, you know, or, or they're just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of not in it. I think it's possible. Jimmy Butler

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just never plays a game again for the war. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a, there's a world where he's ready.

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<v Speaker 1>He's healthy. He's coming back from injury and they go.

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<v Speaker 1>before the deadline let's move them like let's let's get

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<v Speaker 1>something for him um because we don't really have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of assets right now if they're not in the

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<v Speaker 1>picture i think they're trying to do right by curry

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<v Speaker 1>the best they can but you know this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a team that was really contending last year at all

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<v Speaker 1>really um you know 37 and 45 that's nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>write home about and i don't think they got better

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<v Speaker 1>really over the offseason so i'm with you i think

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<v Speaker 1>this is a i think this is an under.

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<v Speaker 2>Two Yeah, they just... The fact that Brandon Pajemski is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be the anchoring force here is a big

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<v Speaker 2>reason for me to go under. I just don't... I'm

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<v Speaker 2>with Brian. I just don't buy pods as being that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't. So I think I'll probably put a

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<v Speaker 2>bet in on this. I don't think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of my bigger ones, but I do think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I do wonder how much of it is, well, look,

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<v Speaker 2>they put this in the middle range, but how much

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<v Speaker 2>of this is just Curry respect? How much of this

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<v Speaker 2>is just.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all I think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't put a Steph team lower than 37 and

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<v Speaker 2>a half. And that feels like what, probably what it is. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good, like icebreaker. Put your gloves on Joe. Mine.

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<v Speaker 2>And this will be my best bet on the night

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be the New York Knicks under 52

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<v Speaker 2>and a half championship hangover.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Not gone great for these teams. The result for the

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<v Speaker 2>team that won the title is actually... It's not good

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<v Speaker 2>or bad for the win total. The last 10 years,

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<v Speaker 2>it's 5-5. It literally doesn't matter. Because you have all

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<v Speaker 2>these different contexts too. Some teams won the title and

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<v Speaker 2>then broke it up. The Warriors weren't the same team

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<v Speaker 2>when they came back. And all these types of things.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do think the fact that no team is

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<v Speaker 2>repeated probably indicates you're usually not better. The biggest thing

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<v Speaker 2>here is... I ignored it with the Celtics because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so confident in Missoula. There are three teams in the

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<v Speaker 2>50 to 55 and a half, 54 and a half

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<v Speaker 2>range this season in the wind totals market. And those

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<v Speaker 2>teams are the New York Knicks, the Boston Celtics and

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<v Speaker 2>the 76ers. Okay. Between 50 and a half and 54

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<v Speaker 2>and a half. Those teams in the sample that I

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<v Speaker 2>have 16, 30 and one 37% of the time they

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<v Speaker 2>go over. It's just like, you should fade 50 plus

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<v Speaker 2>win teams. The number on those is actually slightly worse

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<v Speaker 2>than even 55 plus, which is still very bad at 1320.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's north of 49 and a half, you should

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<v Speaker 2>be looking at an under. So that's like the baseline

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<v Speaker 2>here for me. The vibes are wretched. Carl Anthony Towns

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<v Speaker 2>comes in like the first day of media day. Everybody's like, Hey,

0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.030
<v Speaker 2>you guys are back. You're champs. How excited are you?

0:13:08.050 --> 0:13:14.210
<v Speaker 2>And Carl Anthony Towns, Deuce McBride. Who's the other guy?

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<v Speaker 2>And Josh Hart are all like, all Josh and Josh

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<v Speaker 2>Hart are all like, wish I could get fucking paid.

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<v Speaker 2>But no. Meanwhile, James Dolan is taking the Knicks public.

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<v Speaker 2>And who did he bring in as the chairman?

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<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Thomas.

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<v Speaker 3>It's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, made them public separate from the Rangers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>You can actually buy stock.

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<v Speaker 3>They have two public.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You can actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Buy Bing Bong stock.

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<v Speaker 3>Bing Bong.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. And so that, Josh Hart says, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got this finger injury. You going to have surgery? No,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll end my career. So I'm just going to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with it. well, how bad is it? Some days it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't bother me at all. What about other days? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't make a fist. Is that bad? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>bad for my starting?

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever position he is. Is that bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a good thing for him?

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<v Speaker 3>32 in March, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. 32 in March. Um, I also, this is just basically, look,

0:14:15.410 --> 0:14:18.050
<v Speaker 2>they scraped to an over last year. And actually there

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<v Speaker 2>was a 53 and a half in the market. So

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<v Speaker 2>depending on where you got it, you were able to

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<v Speaker 2>cash it. Um, I've got them. The part of this

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<v Speaker 2>is like, look, the projection one, we've got this increase

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<v Speaker 2>in the decrease in taking teams that helps. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>positive step forward. And then you've got like Mitchell Robinson

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<v Speaker 2>was hugely impactful in terms of the, of the metrics.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I, I'm totally fine. If you want to be

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<v Speaker 2>like Andre Drummond is just as good as Mitchell Robinson.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to make, he's not, but he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not, but like, I'm not going to like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to want to debate you for an hour on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll debate anyone about anything, including the fucking dictionary

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<v Speaker 2>about something for an hour. Right. I haven't projected at 48. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's probably low. If you asked me to guesstimate

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<v Speaker 2>where I would have them, I'd probably have them at 50.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think that the downward momentum here is significant.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is a possibility of like, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to bet the tail outcomes. Like I'm not gonna bet

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<v Speaker 2>them to miss the playoffs. That'd be insane.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But this division is so tough. they were very fortunate

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<v Speaker 2>in injury stuff late in the year. Um, it just

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<v Speaker 2>feels like to me, this is a great regression candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick's under 52 and a half wins. Do you really

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<v Speaker 2>want to fight about it, Joe? Or is he, you're

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<v Speaker 2>too reasonable. You're going to be like, I get it,

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<v Speaker 2>but also bing bong.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. So I laughed at, I laughed at the

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<v Speaker 1>note in the, uh, so we have the, our working

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<v Speaker 1>doc here that we have. So I was laughing when

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at it. Cause Matt just has Nick's

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<v Speaker 1>under 52 and a half. And I was like under

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<v Speaker 1>52 and a half years till the next title, obviously. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so like that's an appropriate bet. Um, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>think there's, there's obviously concerns like in terms of seeing

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<v Speaker 1>these teams come back around plus the high wind total.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the point that you were making about

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<v Speaker 1>the non, like the, what we project to be fewer

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<v Speaker 1>tanking teams or teams that are going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of try. I think that that does kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tighten things up a little bit. Um, I, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think the vibes are interesting because like

0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Leon Rose has been historically just, he doesn't talk to

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<v Speaker 1>the media. So, you know, I think that what Karl-Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Towns in particular is doing, like I think Kat should

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<v Speaker 1>get paid more than whatever it is. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to offer him. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know what they're offering him because Leon

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<v Speaker 1>Rose doesn't do press conferences. And, you know, I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, sure. Like you try to lowball it

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. You have plenty of time for your

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<v Speaker 1>New York. You're just like, why would I?

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<v Speaker 3>What's the point?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to rush right now. But I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you look at it and you go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Dern just got paid for like whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>like $ 200 million. Like I got to make more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is totally reasonable. I think that he

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<v Speaker 1>probably needs to get paid, but I think that when

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at this and probably what's going on too,

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<v Speaker 1>is the, the Knicks look at it and they go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe if we just run it back, if we're able

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<v Speaker 1>to run it back again, maybe that is something that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody goes, all right, now maybe I am willing to

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<v Speaker 1>actually take a pay cut that I wasn't willing to

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<v Speaker 1>take before. Because right now, if you pay cat, I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of these other guys know they're just

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<v Speaker 1>going to be gone. Like if it's Josh Hart, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's Miles McBride, you know, if it's any of the other,

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<v Speaker 1>like the shamets of the world, whatever, OG.

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<v Speaker 2>Anobi is extension eligible in 2027.

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<v Speaker 1>So is Jalen Brunson. Brunson is the one dude that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to get paid.

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<v Speaker 3>Without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter. And everybody knows it. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>the other guys, they know if somebody gets paid, like

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<v Speaker 1>Cat in particular, that they're gone. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to probably, that starts turning wheels too. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's more to it than just we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay you. It's like, if we pay you

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<v Speaker 1>this number now, these guys know they're not coming back

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<v Speaker 1>and that's hard to then keep that chemistry. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's probably a factor too.

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<v Speaker 2>Deuce, Deuce is gone. Like I'm very confident.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the same book they ran with Grimes. Like

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<v Speaker 2>they did this exact same stuff with Grimes where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like Grimes started to be like, I'd like to get paid.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were like, Hmm, cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, that's it. And that's fine. Um, but like,

0:18:07.210 --> 0:18:10.090
<v Speaker 2>you know, these, these guys are very much like, Hey,

0:18:10.130 --> 0:18:13.609
<v Speaker 2>we want a championship. Like you want to keep it together,

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<v Speaker 2>keep it together. And James Dolan's like, and the other

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<v Speaker 2>problem really, quite frankly, is every single team is looking

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<v Speaker 2>at their number two guy and being like, we need

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<v Speaker 2>our number two guy to make $ 30 million.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I think, yeah. And I think that when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at it with New York, like Brunson obviously

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<v Speaker 1>took the cut. before OG is the highest paid guy

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<v Speaker 1>on the, I think he's the highest paid guy on

0:18:32.350 --> 0:18:34.750
<v Speaker 1>the team right now. Um, but cats like basically right

0:18:34.810 --> 0:18:36.929
<v Speaker 1>there or, or they're kind of like going back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth depending on the numbers. But like, That almost, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're going to pay even just those three guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and you said those are our guys, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you looked at it, you could say that's reasonable.

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<v Speaker 1>But Josh Hart's going to be, oh, he's older. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't pay him to do what he's doing at that

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<v Speaker 1>rate because he's just older. I don't know how long

0:18:57.250 --> 0:18:59.510
<v Speaker 1>the motor's going to go, especially you got the finger issue,

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<v Speaker 1>you got this, you got that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard.

0:19:02.470 --> 0:19:06.440
<v Speaker 1>And I think they've drafted pretty well. Um, but again,

0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.500
<v Speaker 1>you're right. I think no Mitchell Robinson's tough. I think drumming,

0:19:09.940 --> 0:19:11.540
<v Speaker 1>the benefit of drumming is that drumming can play them

0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.310
<v Speaker 1>back to backs. Um, so I think you kind of

0:19:14.330 --> 0:19:16.609
<v Speaker 1>get through that a little bit, but it's, it's a

0:19:16.630 --> 0:19:18.530
<v Speaker 1>tough number. It's, you know, I'm not betting it. So,

0:19:18.930 --> 0:19:19.970
<v Speaker 1>but it's a tough number.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian, I do have a Brian who also does work

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<v Speaker 2>for the New York post. Does it love their watch alongs? Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>on the sports, on the sports channel.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>On the sports channel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, I have a question for you though. isn't the

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<v Speaker 2>right solve for this just to pay Kat's dad under

0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:37.820
<v Speaker 2>the table as a, to be an assistant coach. And

0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.180
<v Speaker 2>then you can just get away with this and never

0:19:39.220 --> 0:19:41.790
<v Speaker 2>have Pablo Torre investigate it. Isn't that, why aren't they

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<v Speaker 2>just doing that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand.

0:19:44.470 --> 0:19:44.870
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, I think maybe, I don't know, but the, reportedly

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<v Speaker 3>the offer is four for 200 million which would be

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<v Speaker 3>50 million a year and i don't think enough knicks

0:19:55.380 --> 0:19:58.149
<v Speaker 3>fans understand who are saying to be clear because a

0:19:58.270 --> 0:20:00.730
<v Speaker 3>lot of knicks fans do understand this is bullshit but

0:20:00.750 --> 0:20:02.770
<v Speaker 3>there are knicks fans who are like yeah why don't

0:20:02.790 --> 0:20:04.090
<v Speaker 3>you just take the money don't you want to keep

0:20:04.109 --> 0:20:07.010
<v Speaker 3>the team together and if i'm cat i'm like i

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<v Speaker 3>have my title This is my last chance to get paid.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care if we keep this team together like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he cares. I think he wants to be

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<v Speaker 3>in New York. I think he cares.

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<v Speaker 2>He just doesn't care $ 80 million more.

0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.240
<v Speaker 3>That's the point. He's like, I'm willing to keep this

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<v Speaker 3>team together, but not at the cost of me losing

0:20:27.180 --> 0:20:32.410
<v Speaker 3>$ 20 million a year relative to my max. $ 50 million

0:20:32.450 --> 0:20:35.250
<v Speaker 3>a year is basically Laurie Markin and money. It's basically

0:20:35.270 --> 0:20:36.090
<v Speaker 3>Jaron Jackson Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Money.

0:20:36.970 --> 0:20:39.340
<v Speaker 3>And I've done a lot of shows on this, so

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<v Speaker 3>I've talked about this extensively, where Cat has the leverage.

0:20:43.060 --> 0:20:47.090
<v Speaker 3>He was very integral on that championship team. As a

0:20:47.090 --> 0:20:51.290
<v Speaker 3>matter of fact, he's already signed a four for 224

0:20:51.290 --> 0:20:53.870
<v Speaker 3>in 2022 when he was still with Minnesota. That didn't

0:20:53.890 --> 0:20:56.169
<v Speaker 3>kick in until 2024. It's the current contract he's on.

0:20:56.730 --> 0:20:59.550
<v Speaker 3>So how is he, who's become a better player since

0:20:59.609 --> 0:21:03.210
<v Speaker 3>signing that last deal, going to take less? It doesn't

0:21:03.230 --> 0:21:05.920
<v Speaker 3>make sense. He's become a better player. He's been an

0:21:05.970 --> 0:21:08.520
<v Speaker 3>all-star three straight years. He's been All-NBA since he signed

0:21:08.540 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 3>that last contract. He's helped three deep playoff runs and

0:21:12.100 --> 0:21:16.500
<v Speaker 3>won a title in this most recent one. And ultimately,

0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.360
<v Speaker 3>what I think Knicks fans need to understand, not Joe,

0:21:19.380 --> 0:21:22.760
<v Speaker 3>because he's smart enough to know this, these championship teams

0:21:22.820 --> 0:21:27.220
<v Speaker 3>don't stay together. They just don't. Bruce Brown leaves. Michael

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Porter Jr. gets traded. And Peyton Watson eventually leaves. Little

0:21:31.900 --> 0:21:34.730
<v Speaker 3>by little, you just lose your core. Boston traded everybody

0:21:34.750 --> 0:21:37.189
<v Speaker 3>the year after winning a title. Not everybody, everybody, but

0:21:37.330 --> 0:21:40.369
<v Speaker 3>just about. Drew was gone. Porzingis was gone. Later on,

0:21:40.390 --> 0:21:43.869
<v Speaker 3>Jalen Brown was gone. Al Horford was gone, too. And

0:21:44.150 --> 0:21:50.500
<v Speaker 3>with Oklahoma City, they dumped three good players, Lou Dort,

0:21:50.859 --> 0:21:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Isaiah Joe, and Aaron Wiggins for picks. Because everyone's just trying.

0:21:55.050 --> 0:21:57.190
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's just fearful of the second apron. On top of

0:21:57.230 --> 0:22:00.230
<v Speaker 3>the fact that James Dolan is going to Dolan. And

0:22:00.250 --> 0:22:02.250
<v Speaker 3>the Knicks, to their credit, won a title in spite

0:22:02.290 --> 0:22:06.510
<v Speaker 3>of their ownership. But does he have the money to

0:22:06.550 --> 0:22:07.430
<v Speaker 3>pay Cat what he wants?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:22:07.730 --> 0:22:09.390
<v Speaker 3>Does he have the money to keep the team together? Yes.

0:22:09.430 --> 0:22:10.610
<v Speaker 3>Do they want to deal with the second apron?

0:22:10.650 --> 0:22:10.790
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:22:10.850 --> 0:22:13.350
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise, Mitchell Robinson would still be there. So the Cat

0:22:13.369 --> 0:22:15.669
<v Speaker 3>thing is complicated. He has a player option for next year,

0:22:15.710 --> 0:22:17.550
<v Speaker 3>which is why he has leverage and Josh Hart doesn't.

0:22:17.570 --> 0:22:19.950
<v Speaker 3>Josh Hart has a team option next year for $ 22 million.

0:22:20.550 --> 0:22:22.410
<v Speaker 3>Carl Anthony Towns has a player option for $ 61 million.

0:22:25.220 --> 0:22:26.880
<v Speaker 3>How do you go to Cat with a straight face

0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.550
<v Speaker 3>and say, we're not going to pay you anything close

0:22:29.570 --> 0:22:32.330
<v Speaker 3>to what Joel Embiid is getting per year, given Joel

0:22:32.369 --> 0:22:35.230
<v Speaker 3>Embiid's availability and given that Joel Embiid's never been by

0:22:35.310 --> 0:22:36.910
<v Speaker 3>the second round of the playoffs, which Cat has done

0:22:36.950 --> 0:22:38.850
<v Speaker 3>now three times in a row in two different conferences.

0:22:40.450 --> 0:22:40.610
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:22:40.990 --> 0:22:42.670
<v Speaker 3>And on top of that, OG has to get paid

0:22:42.710 --> 0:22:45.540
<v Speaker 3>next year and Brunson. So like you're going to, Mikael

0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Bridges might not be here for very long. I've told

0:22:48.500 --> 0:22:50.420
<v Speaker 3>Nick fans, if you have this core together for two

0:22:50.460 --> 0:22:52.899
<v Speaker 3>more years, have another parade. Because it's going to be

0:22:52.940 --> 0:22:55.389
<v Speaker 3>very hard to keep these guys together beyond this season.

0:22:55.730 --> 0:22:57.190
<v Speaker 2>So, Brian, do you have any issues with my under

0:22:57.230 --> 0:22:57.430
<v Speaker 2>on this?

0:22:58.050 --> 0:22:58.230
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:22:58.910 --> 0:23:02.530
<v Speaker 3>I think they're a slight under team. I think that–

0:23:02.950 --> 0:23:06.050
<v Speaker 3>I think this– and Chuck D thinks this too because

0:23:06.070 --> 0:23:09.370
<v Speaker 3>he tweeted this at us. They'll be like a 50-51

0:23:09.430 --> 0:23:11.409
<v Speaker 3>win team and they'll still be a pain in the

0:23:11.470 --> 0:23:14.180
<v Speaker 3>ass in the playoffs. But I think the regular season–

0:23:14.330 --> 0:23:16.450
<v Speaker 3>we also didn't mention this. Jalen Brunson had wrist surgery.

0:23:17.070 --> 0:23:17.290
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:23:17.869 --> 0:23:20.810
<v Speaker 3>So, I don't know to what degree they'll manage that.

0:23:21.369 --> 0:23:24.909
<v Speaker 3>And their team, like, their depth is... I have questions

0:23:24.950 --> 0:23:27.830
<v Speaker 3>about it. It's very small. Because Jose Alvarado is your

0:23:27.850 --> 0:23:29.780
<v Speaker 3>best player off the bench. You still have Landry Schammett.

0:23:29.820 --> 0:23:31.780
<v Speaker 3>You also have Deuce McBride. So you have three guys

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.730
<v Speaker 3>that are like 6'3, 6'4, and under. Probably 6'3, and under.

0:23:35.820 --> 0:23:41.180
<v Speaker 3>Mo Diawara and Guillaume Dadier are your backup wings. Both

0:23:41.220 --> 0:23:43.980
<v Speaker 3>question marks. I feel good about Diawara as is Joe.

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:49.909
<v Speaker 3>But he's a project. And then Andre Drummond, who... This

0:23:49.950 --> 0:23:51.770
<v Speaker 3>is how confident they are in Andre Drummond being the

0:23:51.790 --> 0:23:54.190
<v Speaker 3>backup center all year. They tried to steal Musa Cisse

0:23:54.270 --> 0:23:57.050
<v Speaker 3>from the Dallas Mavericks. They've also called about Yves Misi.

0:23:57.190 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Knicks fans are like, oh, Andre Drummond got it. He's

0:23:59.780 --> 0:24:02.680
<v Speaker 3>an all-time rebounder. And it's like, yo, guys, they don't

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:08.060
<v Speaker 3>think that. They understand how important backup center is for

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.420
<v Speaker 3>this specific team. So I think that's something that they'll

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:13.640
<v Speaker 3>look to upgrade throughout the year, though. I actually thought

0:24:13.660 --> 0:24:15.360
<v Speaker 3>they could make a play for Nick Richards, but then

0:24:15.460 --> 0:24:17.580
<v Speaker 3>Miami ended up getting him. So, yeah.

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.730
<v Speaker 2>Okay. All right, Joe DeLera, what is your under?

0:24:21.750 --> 0:24:24.980
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Eve Meecy, I am on the Pelicans under

0:24:24.980 --> 0:24:28.220
<v Speaker 1>29.5 wins. I think this team is trash. I think

0:24:28.260 --> 0:24:31.619
<v Speaker 1>that they have a lot of talent, and they're a

0:24:31.619 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 1>team that I have been... I've, like, won it.

0:24:33.780 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 3>I bet them.

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, Matt, you know. I bet them, like,

0:24:36.619 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>every year. I'm like, they could do it. Like, the

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Pelicans could be the team. They're not the team. They're

0:24:41.540 --> 0:24:45.609
<v Speaker 1>just not the team. And, candidly... I don't really think

0:24:45.650 --> 0:24:47.609
<v Speaker 1>Jamal Mosley is the guy. Like, I don't think that

0:24:47.630 --> 0:24:50.270
<v Speaker 1>he's fixing the problem because I think a lot of

0:24:50.310 --> 0:24:52.490
<v Speaker 1>their problem isn't on the defensive side of the ball.

0:24:52.790 --> 0:24:54.270
<v Speaker 1>I think they have a lot of good defenders. I

0:24:54.290 --> 0:24:55.790
<v Speaker 1>think their problem is on the offensive side of the

0:24:55.830 --> 0:24:59.410
<v Speaker 1>ball because nothing works together. And, you know, there's we're

0:24:59.450 --> 0:25:02.950
<v Speaker 1>seeing the clips right now. Zion Williamson with a couple

0:25:02.970 --> 0:25:05.420
<v Speaker 1>of catch shoot threes in the preseason. He used he

0:25:05.619 --> 0:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>did this is like first year in the league. And

0:25:07.740 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 1>then he just totally stopped doing it. So I don't know.

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.980
<v Speaker 1>And I just think the pieces don't really fit together. Um,

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that you have to look at it and say,

0:25:16.700 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>there's a high probability that somebody is going to get traded.

0:25:20.340 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 1>And the player that I think gets traded is Trey Murphy,

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 1>because I think he's the guy that you can probably

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.780
<v Speaker 1>bring back multiple firsts with. And then maybe you just say, okay,

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.030
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to trade Trey Murphy and then we'll figure

0:25:31.070 --> 0:25:32.890
<v Speaker 1>out the rest of it. But I, I don't really

0:25:32.910 --> 0:25:35.409
<v Speaker 1>think the fit of Derek Queen and Zion Williamson is

0:25:35.430 --> 0:25:39.300
<v Speaker 1>that good either. So I think that it's likely, you know,

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it's within the realm of possibility that multiple

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:46.340
<v Speaker 1>players on the Pelicans are traded by the deadline when

0:25:46.380 --> 0:25:49.580
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't really work out that well. And 29 and

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.020
<v Speaker 1>a half wins when they didn't win this many games

0:25:53.060 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>last year. And now you have more teams trying. I

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>don't think this is a good spot for them. I

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.580
<v Speaker 1>just I really don't see it. Plus, Zion hurt all

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:04.659
<v Speaker 1>the time. Trey Murphy's been like also has injury issues.

0:26:04.940 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Herb Jones has had a variety of different issues. I

0:26:07.060 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>just don't really trust this team to be good. And

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.540
<v Speaker 1>29 and a half wins. It feels like a tall task,

0:26:13.460 --> 0:26:15.180
<v Speaker 1>especially when teams are going to say like, that's a

0:26:15.220 --> 0:26:16.880
<v Speaker 1>spot that I want to win. Like that's a spot

0:26:16.900 --> 0:26:18.650
<v Speaker 1>that we can win. So we're not in the bottom

0:26:18.670 --> 0:26:21.510
<v Speaker 1>part of the lottery bracket either. So I, I think

0:26:21.530 --> 0:26:23.750
<v Speaker 1>they have a lot of talent, but I have yet

0:26:23.770 --> 0:26:25.869
<v Speaker 1>to see the talent kind of coalesce together. And I'm

0:26:25.910 --> 0:26:27.669
<v Speaker 1>not convinced that Jamal Mosley is going to be the

0:26:27.690 --> 0:26:28.379
<v Speaker 1>guy that can do it.

0:26:29.010 --> 0:26:29.290
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:26:30.030 --> 0:26:33.699
<v Speaker 2>Um, I, as I mentioned in my, um, On the

0:26:33.780 --> 0:26:36.580
<v Speaker 2>bull market episode, I have all overs on the Pelicans.

0:26:37.460 --> 0:26:40.750
<v Speaker 2>I am definitely Charlie Brown lining up for this football again.

0:26:40.770 --> 0:26:44.590
<v Speaker 2>And I took a couple years off, and now I'm

0:26:44.630 --> 0:26:47.810
<v Speaker 2>back here. I hear what you're saying. I think it

0:26:47.830 --> 0:26:49.590
<v Speaker 2>really just does come down to what you think of

0:26:49.609 --> 0:26:52.629
<v Speaker 2>Jamal Mosley. And for me, I'm just like, look, the

0:26:52.670 --> 0:26:55.770
<v Speaker 2>magic went from an unstructured, undisciplined team to a team

0:26:55.810 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that at least defensively, as a unit, knew what they

0:26:59.300 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 2>were doing. They had an identity. They knew what they

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.590
<v Speaker 2>were doing. I will say after, you know, look, it's

0:27:04.770 --> 0:27:06.910
<v Speaker 2>one preseason game who gives a shit. But I do

0:27:06.970 --> 0:27:09.930
<v Speaker 2>think you talked about the Queen Zion fit. There's a

0:27:09.970 --> 0:27:12.430
<v Speaker 2>very easy way to make that work. You just run

0:27:12.470 --> 0:27:17.139
<v Speaker 2>a D.H.O. Yeah, because Queens got really good feel for D.H.O. action.

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 2>And they did that last night where they were like, hey,

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 2>what if we just have like this gigantic bullet train thing?

0:27:23.710 --> 0:27:26.730
<v Speaker 2>come around the screen from a very good gifted pinch

0:27:26.990 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>post passer, and he'll just give it to him. And

0:27:29.820 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>you have to try and figure out how to stop

0:27:31.780 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Zion coming full speed around the corner. And it's like, well,

0:27:36.180 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the way to do it is for that Zion doesn't

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:42.980
<v Speaker 2>play fair, fair. I also, I kind of think what

0:27:43.060 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 2>might happen here is like, they get off to a

0:27:44.530 --> 0:27:47.469
<v Speaker 2>good start and trade, trade Murphy anyway. And everyone's like, well,

0:27:47.490 --> 0:27:51.650
<v Speaker 2>that was weird. And then they wind up, like being,

0:27:51.690 --> 0:27:55.930
<v Speaker 2>being pretty good. Anyway, this number is, um, it's low.

0:27:56.270 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Like this is a low number and the trends kind

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>of actually support a little bit of an under, um,

0:28:05.060 --> 0:28:06.439
<v Speaker 2>the 25 and a half to 29 and a half.

0:28:06.460 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 2>If you can get this, you know, this, this 29

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 2>and a half line is like right there, that cusp,

0:28:10.820 --> 0:28:14.410
<v Speaker 2>but teams that five wind band are actually, uh, they

0:28:14.590 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 2>are 64% to the under. Historically, since 2011. They've got

0:28:25.180 --> 0:28:28.940
<v Speaker 2>also two straight unders. Tend to go under about 53%

0:28:28.940 --> 0:28:33.459
<v Speaker 2>of the time. So you've got kind of like... By

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the way, I found this in my notes. Their franchise

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.930
<v Speaker 2>history is the second worst for overs in the entire

0:28:39.030 --> 0:28:42.590
<v Speaker 2>league over the span of time.

0:28:42.950 --> 0:28:43.790
<v Speaker 3>Is the worst the Clippers?

0:28:45.530 --> 0:28:47.050
<v Speaker 2>I'll look up what it is.

0:28:47.070 --> 0:28:49.990
<v Speaker 1>I know they have... like obviously they have DeJounte Murray.

0:28:50.050 --> 0:28:52.570
<v Speaker 1>They've got, you know, they've got Matherin now. Like that

0:28:52.590 --> 0:28:54.820
<v Speaker 1>was their one move really in the off season. They

0:28:54.860 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>got like, you know, Sadiq Bae is there. I think

0:28:56.620 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Sadiq Bae is good, but like, I don't know. I just,

0:29:00.020 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't, I just don't really see it with this team.

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think that they're just more likely to try

0:29:04.500 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>to tear it down. Like if they get off to

0:29:06.100 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>any type of good, like vibes or good start, whatever,

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>it would just not shock me to see them just

0:29:11.980 --> 0:29:15.100
<v Speaker 1>shed people and get picks and try to restock. Like,

0:29:15.170 --> 0:29:17.180
<v Speaker 1>I just, I think there's more room. There's a lot

0:29:17.220 --> 0:29:19.300
<v Speaker 1>of different ways that this could go badly, but I

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.420
<v Speaker 1>think you're right, Matt. Like if it's, and I think

0:29:21.580 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>when we did the, we did the bull market teams,

0:29:23.780 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I think you had them as your moonshot team, because

0:29:26.180 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right. Like if it goes right, it's

0:29:28.060 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>going to probably just go really right because Mosley's maybe

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.989
<v Speaker 1>great with this group. But I just think I just

0:29:34.030 --> 0:29:35.890
<v Speaker 1>am out on them. I can't, I can't look at

0:29:35.910 --> 0:29:36.550
<v Speaker 1>this team anymore.

0:29:37.110 --> 0:29:39.090
<v Speaker 2>The worst team in the sample, Brian is the Los

0:29:39.150 --> 0:29:41.100
<v Speaker 2>Angeles Lakers. Really?

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I had the city.

0:29:43.740 --> 0:29:46.810
<v Speaker 2>They go under the Lakers effect is really real on

0:29:46.830 --> 0:29:51.270
<v Speaker 2>the market. Four teams are actually tied for worst overrate,

0:29:51.370 --> 0:29:53.850
<v Speaker 2>which is the Lakers, the magic, the Pelicans and the wolves.

0:29:54.410 --> 0:29:55.850
<v Speaker 3>So it's interesting.

0:29:55.870 --> 0:29:58.630
<v Speaker 2>Those are the ones that go under. Okay. So those

0:29:58.850 --> 0:30:02.270
<v Speaker 2>are our, I want my money fading them teams. We're

0:30:02.290 --> 0:30:03.230
<v Speaker 2>going to go to the mine shafts. These are the

0:30:03.250 --> 0:30:05.290
<v Speaker 2>ones that we want to do all plays on. And, uh,

0:30:05.590 --> 0:30:08.490
<v Speaker 2>I'll go first. I want the Lakers under 45 and

0:30:08.530 --> 0:30:10.890
<v Speaker 2>a half. I have the Lakers to miss the playoffs,

0:30:10.910 --> 0:30:14.010
<v Speaker 2>which you can get as well. Um, so I'm doing

0:30:14.050 --> 0:30:15.990
<v Speaker 2>Nixon Lakers. I'm getting back to my roots and fading

0:30:16.010 --> 0:30:22.530
<v Speaker 2>the big markets fly over city forever. Um, I said

0:30:22.550 --> 0:30:25.090
<v Speaker 2>this today and I did it on the MVP episode.

0:30:25.110 --> 0:30:27.870
<v Speaker 2>So if you're wondering, you're going, Matt, you just fucking

0:30:27.910 --> 0:30:30.450
<v Speaker 2>said you want to bet Luca Dodgers for MVP. Um, Yes,

0:30:30.590 --> 0:30:34.450
<v Speaker 2>I do. I want Luka MVP and the under and

0:30:34.510 --> 0:30:38.030
<v Speaker 2>mine shafts on the Lakers because this either goes great

0:30:38.590 --> 0:30:41.830
<v Speaker 2>or fucking terrible. Now, maybe it's like a mix of both, right?

0:30:41.850 --> 0:30:43.270
<v Speaker 2>Where it's like the first half of the season goes

0:30:43.390 --> 0:30:44.950
<v Speaker 2>awesome and then they get hurt and it falls apart

0:30:44.990 --> 0:30:47.780
<v Speaker 2>and it lands like right in that function and they

0:30:47.820 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>win 48 games and go over. I do not see

0:30:52.420 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>it with this roster. JJ Redick is like ecstatic and

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 2>he's just like this. We're going for it. And like,

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I feel like this team makes sense finally. I kind

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>of wonder if all JJ Redick is saying when he's

0:31:03.300 --> 0:31:05.290
<v Speaker 2>talking about how much he likes this roster is just,

0:31:05.630 --> 0:31:06.830
<v Speaker 2>do you know what it's like for me to not

0:31:06.870 --> 0:31:09.370
<v Speaker 2>have to fucking coach Jackson Hayes anymore? Do you have

0:31:09.410 --> 0:31:11.490
<v Speaker 2>any idea what that's like? I kind of wonder if

0:31:11.510 --> 0:31:14.770
<v Speaker 2>that's just like what this comes down to. But I

0:31:14.790 --> 0:31:16.530
<v Speaker 2>just look at this and I go, you know, Jim's

0:31:16.570 --> 0:31:19.340
<v Speaker 2>very high on the Lakers. Walker Kessler is not a

0:31:19.380 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 2>lob threat. The model for 2024 is that Mavericks team.

0:31:24.020 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>They had two rim runners. Kessler is not a rim runner.

0:31:27.250 --> 0:31:29.090
<v Speaker 2>He's not going to beat you up the floor. Great

0:31:29.130 --> 0:31:32.790
<v Speaker 2>protection big. He will legit be a great defensive big

0:31:32.810 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 2>for them, and that will help. There are things you

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>can do to neutralize those defenders, unless it's like Rudy

0:31:41.100 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Gobert or Wemenyama. You can just do things. There are

0:31:45.620 --> 0:31:48.100
<v Speaker 2>always tactical things you can do if the other guys

0:31:48.140 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 2>are weak. Lukan and Austin Reeves is an untenable defensive

0:31:52.300 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 2>combination unless you have, and I mean three stellar defenders

0:31:56.580 --> 0:32:00.430
<v Speaker 2>around them. And their options currently are like, they're, they

0:32:00.490 --> 0:32:02.690
<v Speaker 2>are really dependent. I was talking to a Lakers guy today.

0:32:02.950 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>They are really dependent to me. It covers them really

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>dependent on two minimum contract guys, Matisse Tybel and Zaire Williams.

0:32:10.260 --> 0:32:14.300
<v Speaker 2>They need those guys to be stellar and playable offensively.

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 2>The idea when they started adding guys was like, well,

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:22.010
<v Speaker 2>Quentin Grimes is going to be like their defensive guy. No, no,

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:26.050
<v Speaker 2>this is not a thing. Quentin Grimes lockdown three is

0:32:26.210 --> 0:32:29.470
<v Speaker 2>not a thing. Okay. Grimes is fine. He's not a

0:32:29.490 --> 0:32:32.050
<v Speaker 2>bad defender. He's not going to make them worse, but

0:32:32.090 --> 0:32:35.310
<v Speaker 2>he can't cover up for Luka Doncic and Austin Reeves.

0:32:36.570 --> 0:32:38.810
<v Speaker 2>And like, they look like they're engaged and I have

0:32:38.870 --> 0:32:40.190
<v Speaker 2>no doubt they're going to start the season off hot.

0:32:40.270 --> 0:32:42.310
<v Speaker 2>I just, when they get to January and Luka is

0:32:42.370 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 2>hung over and is like, no, I don't know. Don't care.

0:32:47.300 --> 0:32:52.210
<v Speaker 2>Don't care. Oh, there he goes. No, under no circumstances.

0:32:52.690 --> 0:32:55.420
<v Speaker 2>And he's still, and he will still put up 40,

0:32:55.420 --> 0:32:57.770
<v Speaker 2>15 and 12. Cause he's amazing.

0:32:57.790 --> 0:32:58.430
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:58.810 --> 0:33:01.150
<v Speaker 2>But I cannot believe in the defensive, defensive core of

0:33:01.190 --> 0:33:05.420
<v Speaker 2>this team. Their, their defensive guys are so bad offensively

0:33:05.580 --> 0:33:08.620
<v Speaker 2>and their offensive guys are so bad defensively that I

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:10.340
<v Speaker 2>cannot get to a spot where I want this over.

0:33:10.380 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 2>So I'm doing Lakers under 45 and a half. I

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 2>have them at 38 wins. I'm doing under 40 and

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.340
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing them to miss the playoffs. And I'm taking

0:33:17.380 --> 0:33:20.270
<v Speaker 2>Luca for MVP because if I'm wrong, I am all

0:33:20.290 --> 0:33:23.510
<v Speaker 2>the way wrong. I am all the way wrong and

0:33:23.590 --> 0:33:25.930
<v Speaker 2>I am spooked, but I do think that as far

0:33:25.970 --> 0:33:28.930
<v Speaker 2>as like, if you ask me in the Western conference,

0:33:28.970 --> 0:33:33.990
<v Speaker 2>what team has a really rackety rickety rackety floor, it's

0:33:34.010 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the Los Angeles Lakers. So I want the under 45

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:36.950
<v Speaker 2>and a half. You guys got any thoughts on that?

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I like the Lakers, but I like it's in large part.

0:33:41.660 --> 0:33:45.020
<v Speaker 1>Cause I think Luca is going to be unbelievable this year. Like,

0:33:45.060 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that the, Like obviously you don't have LeBron.

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.390
<v Speaker 2>He was on men, the cover of men's fitness magazine

0:33:50.430 --> 0:33:50.810
<v Speaker 2>last year.

0:33:51.370 --> 0:33:52.670
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know.

0:33:53.130 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Obviously we don't have LeBron, but I do think that,

0:33:56.820 --> 0:33:59.460
<v Speaker 1>if you just stagger Luca and Reeves, like the offense

0:33:59.500 --> 0:34:01.340
<v Speaker 1>is going to be insane. Like the offense is always

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:04.690
<v Speaker 1>going to be insane. And it's just like Walker Kessler.

0:34:04.890 --> 0:34:06.790
<v Speaker 1>I'm not convinced that he's ever really been hurt. It's

0:34:06.830 --> 0:34:09.649
<v Speaker 1>just been, he's in Utah. Like, like, so I think

0:34:09.670 --> 0:34:12.510
<v Speaker 1>that that's probably, he's just rested. He's basically like 20

0:34:12.510 --> 0:34:15.530
<v Speaker 1>year old legs right now. And I think that that's

0:34:15.570 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe something to consider there, but yeah, I think that

0:34:17.900 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you're right. Like I bet Luca MVP. I think that

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>this may be his chance to win. I think that

0:34:24.340 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Shay just isn't going to get three. Like he's just

0:34:26.140 --> 0:34:28.420
<v Speaker 1>not going to get three in a row. And I

0:34:28.460 --> 0:34:30.739
<v Speaker 1>think that, you know, I'm a little bit hesitant on

0:34:30.780 --> 0:34:32.270
<v Speaker 1>the Wemby stuff. I think there's been a little bit

0:34:32.290 --> 0:34:34.750
<v Speaker 1>of pullback in the media. So I like the Luca

0:34:34.810 --> 0:34:37.610
<v Speaker 1>MVP play. But I think you're right. Like there is

0:34:37.650 --> 0:34:39.589
<v Speaker 1>some floor there. Like if the pieces just don't really

0:34:39.630 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>work together. And obviously you don't have LeBron. As much

0:34:44.540 --> 0:34:45.980
<v Speaker 1>as people want to say maybe the fit was a

0:34:45.980 --> 0:34:49.460
<v Speaker 1>little clunky there with the three of them, LeBron's still unbelievable.

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.140
<v Speaker 1>And you just don't have him anymore. So I think

0:34:52.180 --> 0:34:55.180
<v Speaker 1>that that's something that you have to kind of consider

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Because whenever LeBron leaves the team before,

0:34:57.540 --> 0:34:58.859
<v Speaker 1>they are one of the worst teams in the league.

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see how much the Lakers maybe pull back

0:35:03.219 --> 0:35:03.580
<v Speaker 1>from that.

0:35:04.460 --> 0:35:04.780
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:35:06.050 --> 0:35:08.110
<v Speaker 2>I like that on your mind shaft here, Joe, you

0:35:08.140 --> 0:35:10.980
<v Speaker 2>are basically taking the spot of Jim Turvey. who I

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.260
<v Speaker 2>think would have had this team as well, because you're

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:15.820
<v Speaker 2>under is a team that we have debated a lot about.

0:35:15.940 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 2>And it was like the buckets official squad last year.

0:35:18.660 --> 0:35:20.320
<v Speaker 2>And that is you want to take the mind shaft

0:35:20.340 --> 0:35:22.140
<v Speaker 2>down on the Charlotte Hornets. Yeah.

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.230
<v Speaker 1>So this is scary because like, when you look at

0:35:24.510 --> 0:35:26.870
<v Speaker 1>how good they were last year, they were, they basically

0:35:26.910 --> 0:35:30.230
<v Speaker 1>had the worst on cleaning the glass. They had the

0:35:30.330 --> 0:35:34.150
<v Speaker 1>worst difference between expected wins and actual wins. It was

0:35:34.170 --> 0:35:38.629
<v Speaker 1>like a 10 win swing. And, you know, they basically

0:35:38.650 --> 0:35:41.390
<v Speaker 1>saying that they should have won even more games. I

0:35:41.410 --> 0:35:46.460
<v Speaker 1>am concerned for a variety of reasons. Number one, they

0:35:46.500 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 1>have a million players that seem to be hurt right now,

0:35:49.900 --> 0:35:54.460
<v Speaker 1>including Brandon Miller, Kobe White, and Conkinepple. Not a good

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.259
<v Speaker 1>start when those are really your three best players on

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>the team right now. And I think losing LaMelo Ball is.

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 3>A big deal.

0:36:02.550 --> 0:36:05.350
<v Speaker 1>I think that this is a really significant piece of

0:36:06.489 --> 0:36:10.700
<v Speaker 1>this team. LaMelo last year was a plus 9.9. in

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:14.299
<v Speaker 1>point differential. And he was a plus 11.6 on the

0:36:14.340 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 1>offense side of the ball. That's the 99th percentile on

0:36:17.180 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>cleaning the glass. Like I, I think that you lose him.

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:22.839
<v Speaker 1>And I think it really is going to change the

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>structure of this offense because Kobe white positive player plus

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>2.9 last season for them, um, basically entirely on the

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.859
<v Speaker 1>offensive side of the ball plus 2.8. But, you know,

0:36:34.489 --> 0:36:36.549
<v Speaker 1>I think that Brandon Miller being able to play off

0:36:36.650 --> 0:36:39.090
<v Speaker 1>of LaMelo being able to play off of con or

0:36:39.110 --> 0:36:41.490
<v Speaker 1>being able to play off Kobe white, like just having

0:36:41.530 --> 0:36:45.190
<v Speaker 1>those different, like the optionality makes a huge difference. And

0:36:45.230 --> 0:36:48.469
<v Speaker 1>LaMelo could just make stuff happen. And I don't know if,

0:36:48.710 --> 0:36:50.450
<v Speaker 1>you know, is Khan just going to be, is he

0:36:50.469 --> 0:36:52.090
<v Speaker 1>going to be better? He basically had as good of

0:36:52.130 --> 0:36:54.490
<v Speaker 1>a season as he possibly have as a rookie. Like

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:57.839
<v Speaker 1>how much of a growth do we necessarily expect? Because

0:36:57.860 --> 0:37:00.500
<v Speaker 1>we didn't really see him scale in the same way

0:37:00.820 --> 0:37:02.900
<v Speaker 1>when players were in or out. And same even with

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.420
<v Speaker 1>Brandon Miller, where when players were in or out, it

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.900
<v Speaker 1>didn't necessarily scale any differently. His usage went up, but

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:11.250
<v Speaker 1>the efficiency kind of took a dip. So I have

0:37:11.310 --> 0:37:14.790
<v Speaker 1>some concerns in that regard, plus the health. Plus, now

0:37:14.870 --> 0:37:17.760
<v Speaker 1>you have these teams like that again, like we keep

0:37:17.820 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about it, but teams not necessarily tanking in that regard.

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>So I just have general concerns about them. I don't know.

0:37:24.980 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure what the right bet is, because

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to miss the playoffs is like minus 180 or so

0:37:30.500 --> 0:37:34.590
<v Speaker 1>right now. Um, and to be over their seating is

0:37:34.790 --> 0:37:36.810
<v Speaker 1>over 10 and a half. So basically to miss the

0:37:36.850 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 1>play in tournament entirely is minus one 15. Um, so

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:42.660
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, maybe that's probably the way that

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.300
<v Speaker 1>I would be looking, but I'm also not super interested

0:37:45.340 --> 0:37:48.899
<v Speaker 1>in fading this level of talent in that regard. So

0:37:49.219 --> 0:37:51.399
<v Speaker 1>to me, I think this is a team where things

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:55.540
<v Speaker 1>could just go sideways really quickly, especially if players are hurt. Um,

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:57.340
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know, I think they're going to be

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.580
<v Speaker 1>a good team to fade, um, especially early in the

0:37:59.620 --> 0:38:02.399
<v Speaker 1>season because of how they kind of came on so

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.460
<v Speaker 1>strong at the back end of last year, people were

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:05.879
<v Speaker 1>going to still have that kind of fresh in their

0:38:05.900 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>minds and forget a little bit about the fact that

0:38:08.500 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 1>they just don't have their best offensive player. And one

0:38:10.620 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 1>of the best offensive players.

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:15.860
<v Speaker 2>In the league in Lamella ball, Brian, as the mayor

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.060
<v Speaker 2>of the hive last year on the Hornets, I am

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>curious to know your thoughts on this bet and Joe's

0:38:21.780 --> 0:38:23.110
<v Speaker 2>position on the under on the Hornets.

0:38:24.670 --> 0:38:31.060
<v Speaker 3>It's definitely risky. Um, I don't know how to feel

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 3>about them yet, weirdly enough. I'm not as gung-ho about

0:38:35.540 --> 0:38:37.460
<v Speaker 3>them as I was last year because I feel like

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.740
<v Speaker 3>now the numbers have caught up and they're basically projected

0:38:39.780 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 3>to be around 500, which sounds about right. I do

0:38:45.900 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 3>have some concerns about not having LaMelo Ball there from

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:56.020
<v Speaker 3>a playmaking standpoint. I do think it was a one-step-back-to-take-two-steps-forward

0:38:56.060 --> 0:38:59.060
<v Speaker 3>type of offseason for them where they just kept they

0:38:59.100 --> 0:39:02.319
<v Speaker 3>have the second most draft picks moving forward now. And

0:39:02.940 --> 0:39:04.580
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they got like too big brained

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 3>in doing that. I don't know if Colby White's an

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:12.510
<v Speaker 3>actual table setter in the way that LaMelo ball can be,

0:39:13.230 --> 0:39:14.790
<v Speaker 3>but I do think he's really good. And that's the thing.

0:39:14.830 --> 0:39:17.450
<v Speaker 3>I think they have good players. And I also think quietly,

0:39:18.170 --> 0:39:21.089
<v Speaker 3>Charles Lee will probably coach more of the way he

0:39:21.130 --> 0:39:25.090
<v Speaker 3>wants to coach with LaMelo ball, not out there being loosey-goosey.

0:39:25.750 --> 0:39:28.890
<v Speaker 3>And to be fair to the Hornets, the season that

0:39:28.910 --> 0:39:31.670
<v Speaker 3>they got out of LaMelo Ball last year, they really

0:39:31.710 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 3>had to manage his minutes. He was averaging like 27,

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 3>28 minutes a game. They really, really had to manage

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 3>his minutes. And now this is a team with a

0:39:41.460 --> 0:39:43.540
<v Speaker 3>lot of depth, I think, or could have a lot

0:39:43.580 --> 0:39:45.510
<v Speaker 3>of depth, depending on how the young guys turn out.

0:39:46.780 --> 0:39:49.140
<v Speaker 3>I am not in the camp that thinks conk nipples

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.140
<v Speaker 3>their best player. I think that's Brandon Miller. And I

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 3>thought that was the case even before they traded the

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.100
<v Speaker 3>model ball. I'm like, Brandon Miller is going to be

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.900
<v Speaker 3>the guy eventually. And I think this year we'll see

0:39:57.940 --> 0:40:00.609
<v Speaker 3>that I am concerned about his injury history because he's

0:40:00.650 --> 0:40:05.169
<v Speaker 3>had multiple, uh, fairly significant ones already. But I also

0:40:05.210 --> 0:40:06.950
<v Speaker 3>think that might just be a by-product of all these

0:40:06.969 --> 0:40:08.670
<v Speaker 3>dudes being in the NBA now. And this is just

0:40:08.710 --> 0:40:12.990
<v Speaker 3>part of it. Um, don't love the conca nipple made

0:40:13.310 --> 0:40:15.170
<v Speaker 3>and probably will miss the start of the season. Don't

0:40:15.210 --> 0:40:17.730
<v Speaker 3>love that. Kobe White's out for the preseason. So like,

0:40:17.790 --> 0:40:19.450
<v Speaker 3>I'm a little bit worried about how they come out

0:40:19.469 --> 0:40:21.290
<v Speaker 3>of the gate here, but they also came out of

0:40:21.310 --> 0:40:23.739
<v Speaker 3>the gate last year. Very slow. I think Nas Reed

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:28.439
<v Speaker 3>is a significant upgrade from miles bridges. If for nothing else,

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:34.620
<v Speaker 3>cultural reasons. Yep. I also think he's a better player

0:40:34.820 --> 0:40:37.410
<v Speaker 3>and I think everyone would acknowledge that Nas Reed is

0:40:37.450 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 3>probably a better player than his numbers would suggest. And

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.540
<v Speaker 3>now I think he's somebody who I'd be interested in

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 3>whatever his points per game over or under is for

0:40:45.900 --> 0:40:47.540
<v Speaker 3>the season because I'm probably going to go over. I

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 3>think he's going to have a big year relative to

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:54.540
<v Speaker 3>what Nasrid has done so far. Moussa Diabate quietly in

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.819
<v Speaker 3>a contract year, wonder what happens there. If they go

0:40:57.860 --> 0:41:00.739
<v Speaker 3>the other way and Joe's right, is he a guy

0:41:00.780 --> 0:41:04.110
<v Speaker 3>that they move on from because they have Steinbach and Kalkbrenner?

0:41:04.790 --> 0:41:07.230
<v Speaker 3>And that's something that matters because Moussa Diabate is like

0:41:07.270 --> 0:41:10.710
<v Speaker 3>a plus minus monster. If they end up being good again,

0:41:10.930 --> 0:41:12.820
<v Speaker 3>then they should just resign him. I think they should

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 3>just keep Diabate, but they have a lot of centers.

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I think they move on. They move on from Kalkbrenner.

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.540
<v Speaker 2>That's the one I think that they've signaled that they don't,

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:21.980
<v Speaker 2>which I don't understand. I really like Kalkbrenner, but whatever.

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I guess making all of his shots.

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.400
<v Speaker 3>But they just drafted Steinbach.

0:41:26.460 --> 0:41:32.859
<v Speaker 2>I know. It's weird. So very quickly on this. My

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.690
<v Speaker 2>base rating for them last year was 6.2, Joe. LaMelo

0:41:35.710 --> 0:41:38.709
<v Speaker 2>ball is worth about three point. He's worth 3.04 points

0:41:38.750 --> 0:41:42.029
<v Speaker 2>of the spread. They did get downgraded from an off

0:41:42.050 --> 0:41:45.100
<v Speaker 2>season in out perspective. So they lose like the net

0:41:45.140 --> 0:41:47.859
<v Speaker 2>was like 1.4 of who they added versus who they lost. Right.

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.580
<v Speaker 2>So you got this downgrade on them. The problem is

0:41:50.620 --> 0:41:52.540
<v Speaker 2>just like, it's so high. There's no way to really

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.940
<v Speaker 2>justify one player being worth all that. And you and

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:57.900
<v Speaker 2>Jim's kind of position is like, well, LaMelo is like

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 2>the reason for it, except like, if you really look

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:06.489
<v Speaker 2>at this shit, it's not, it's like, his assist rate

0:42:06.710 --> 0:42:09.370
<v Speaker 2>is through the roof because they all shot the lights out.

0:42:11.130 --> 0:42:14.060
<v Speaker 2>LaMelo's advanced metrics are all goosed the way that a

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.259
<v Speaker 2>lot of players are when they're playing on teams that

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.180
<v Speaker 2>are this good. It's a thing that I really had

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 2>to like stymie myself with of, Hey, do you know

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.900
<v Speaker 2>why the guy whose EPM is really good estimated plus minus?

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Because the team fucking killed everybody, so it looked really

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 2>good when he was on the court. These are his

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 2>shooting numbers. LaMelo Ball last season was 11th percentile at

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:40.100
<v Speaker 2>the rim. He was 41st percentile from mid-range and only

0:42:40.590 --> 0:42:43.610
<v Speaker 2>61st percentage from three, and that includes all the horrific

0:42:43.670 --> 0:42:46.690
<v Speaker 2>shots that he tends to take in the context of

0:42:46.710 --> 0:42:50.609
<v Speaker 2>the offense. He was also 37th percentile in turnover rate.

0:42:51.090 --> 0:42:53.969
<v Speaker 2>So what this basically looks like is a hyper inefficient

0:42:54.050 --> 0:42:56.569
<v Speaker 2>volume passer on a team that shot the lights out.

0:42:57.450 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And when you look at the on-offs for Brandon Miller

0:42:59.500 --> 0:43:02.140
<v Speaker 2>and LaMelo Ball, when they were on the court together,

0:43:02.380 --> 0:43:07.060
<v Speaker 2>the numbers ran out to LaMelo without Miller was plus 0.8.

0:43:07.060 --> 0:43:09.980
<v Speaker 2>Miller without LaMelo was plus 0.5 because the defense was

0:43:09.980 --> 0:43:13.420
<v Speaker 2>11 points better. And I'm of the opinion here that

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Charles Lee, I'm just going to like, Lee's just going

0:43:16.700 --> 0:43:18.779
<v Speaker 2>to win this with math. He's just going to win

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:22.259
<v Speaker 2>the possession battle and math. It's not that I don't

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>think LaMelo is individually as talented as he is being

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.100
<v Speaker 2>talked about. I think he is not as centrally important

0:43:28.140 --> 0:43:31.219
<v Speaker 2>to how milk lead coaches this team, but I respect

0:43:31.260 --> 0:43:33.240
<v Speaker 2>the position and we'll see what happens. Cause I'm also

0:43:33.260 --> 0:43:35.049
<v Speaker 2>too chicken shit to bet the over.

0:43:35.610 --> 0:43:37.730
<v Speaker 3>I also, for what it's worth, I think Charlotte agrees

0:43:37.770 --> 0:43:39.190
<v Speaker 3>with you, which is why they did what they did.

0:43:39.610 --> 0:43:39.730
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:39.750 --> 0:43:40.530
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:40.890 --> 0:43:42.609
<v Speaker 2>That's like the subtext of all of this is like,

0:43:43.110 --> 0:43:44.980
<v Speaker 2>I wrote about this this summer that I'm like, if

0:43:45.020 --> 0:43:47.620
<v Speaker 2>you're really read into his stuff, it's, we found out

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.029
<v Speaker 2>in the play in tournament that, I'm not willing to

0:43:50.070 --> 0:43:53.509
<v Speaker 2>put up with all of LaMelo's bullshit. Because I also

0:43:53.550 --> 0:43:55.290
<v Speaker 2>don't think he's good enough to perform in a playoff

0:43:55.310 --> 0:43:56.709
<v Speaker 2>series when things get tough.

0:43:57.489 --> 0:44:00.110
<v Speaker 3>But it makes sense because Brandon Miller, who is extension

0:44:00.150 --> 0:44:03.569
<v Speaker 3>eligible already, they need to find out about him to

0:44:03.610 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 3>see if he's like a guy. And they could use

0:44:06.180 --> 0:44:09.500
<v Speaker 3>this year to find out. It'll be experimental, but I

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:10.620
<v Speaker 3>think they're a play-in team again.

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.900
<v Speaker 2>Another Southeast team that's getting faded here is from Brian Fonseca,

0:44:16.020 --> 0:44:18.760
<v Speaker 2>who is fading my beloved WizHive.

0:44:20.090 --> 0:44:21.189
<v Speaker 3>Do you really love this team?

0:44:22.650 --> 0:44:24.630
<v Speaker 2>If they trade Anthony Davis, I love it. Okay.

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just... It's kind of like with New Orleans.

0:44:30.340 --> 0:44:32.259
<v Speaker 3>There are players on this team... Well, that's not true.

0:44:32.300 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't really like Trae Young as a basketball player.

0:44:34.380 --> 0:44:37.219
<v Speaker 3>But there are players on this team that I like individually,

0:44:37.380 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 3>but I don't think they go together.

0:44:39.219 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:44:40.020 --> 0:44:43.459
<v Speaker 3>And I think the mix of veterans and young guys

0:44:43.500 --> 0:44:46.819
<v Speaker 3>are weird because Trae Young's going to have a chip

0:44:46.860 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 3>on his shoulder. He just got his contract signed. but

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.460
<v Speaker 3>it's not like an amazing one. He's going to want

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 3>another one down the line. And, you know, famously Trey young,

0:44:55.700 --> 0:44:58.509
<v Speaker 3>beloved teammate and one of the best players to be

0:44:58.550 --> 0:45:02.150
<v Speaker 3>around in the NBA, you know, just on a regular basis.

0:45:03.350 --> 0:45:04.989
<v Speaker 2>I want to hang on. I want to push back there.

0:45:05.010 --> 0:45:09.150
<v Speaker 2>That guys didn't like playing with him in Atlanta because

0:45:09.170 --> 0:45:11.390
<v Speaker 2>of the way that that system was built. It was

0:45:11.430 --> 0:45:13.950
<v Speaker 2>very much like Trey young is not good enough for

0:45:13.969 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 2>me to sit here and play hard and ball with you. Right.

0:45:17.420 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Trey showed up in Washington and has been like the

0:45:19.900 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 2>guy for these kids. He has been like versus ad,

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:25.660
<v Speaker 2>who is like, I'm, I'm, I'm a, I mean, Davis,

0:45:25.739 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 2>we'll see if they're good enough for me to bubble, bubble, bubble. Oh,

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:31.259
<v Speaker 2>these are my children. Trey young was like at every

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 2>game last. Like I think Trey young has been about,

0:45:33.660 --> 0:45:35.930
<v Speaker 2>I actually think Trey young got really humbled two years ago.

0:45:36.030 --> 0:45:37.390
<v Speaker 2>And since then things have been a lot better.

0:45:37.510 --> 0:45:42.130
<v Speaker 3>Continue. Still is not going to solve the perimeter defense

0:45:42.170 --> 0:45:42.930
<v Speaker 3>questions that I had.

0:45:42.969 --> 0:45:43.629
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:45:45.900 --> 0:45:50.620
<v Speaker 3>I think AJ DeBensa is going to be legit. To

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 3>what extent we see that this year on this roster,

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:57.010
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Alex Saar legitimately got better last year, quietly.

0:45:57.300 --> 0:46:01.509
<v Speaker 3>But also, we need to find out how much early

0:46:01.570 --> 0:46:04.150
<v Speaker 3>on in the year when the games matter. I'm kind

0:46:04.170 --> 0:46:08.129
<v Speaker 3>of out on Bilal Koulibaly now. Kaishan George. I think

0:46:08.150 --> 0:46:10.330
<v Speaker 3>Kaishan George and Trey Johnson are still interesting. 34.5 wins

0:46:11.190 --> 0:46:16.020
<v Speaker 3>just feels ambitious for this team. It just does. In

0:46:16.540 --> 0:46:19.420
<v Speaker 3>an Eastern Conference that I think is loaded and in

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:24.919
<v Speaker 3>a conference where I'm confident in 12 teams being better

0:46:24.940 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 3>than them in the Eastern Conference, like 11 or 12 teams,

0:46:29.140 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 3>probably 12. And I just don't think they're better than

0:46:33.780 --> 0:46:37.550
<v Speaker 3>the Hornets or the Nets. And then not to mention, obviously,

0:46:37.770 --> 0:46:39.810
<v Speaker 3>teams like the Knicks and the Pacers and all those

0:46:39.830 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 3>different things. Bulls, Bucs, we can discuss. but I just

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 3>don't think they're one of the top like 11, 12 teams.

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 3>I'll be surprised if they're competing for a play in spot.

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.800
<v Speaker 3>I think there's still a year away from like really

0:46:54.410 --> 0:46:55.620
<v Speaker 3>making the leap that they want to.

0:46:56.090 --> 0:46:57.340
<v Speaker 2>How far down do you want to play it?

0:46:59.430 --> 0:47:01.009
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think that, I think they could be, I

0:47:01.370 --> 0:47:03.870
<v Speaker 3>think they can be, there's a world where they're the

0:47:03.930 --> 0:47:05.350
<v Speaker 3>worst team in the East, but I don't know. I

0:47:05.370 --> 0:47:06.930
<v Speaker 3>feel like that just might be the bucks. Like the Mike,

0:47:07.030 --> 0:47:09.649
<v Speaker 3>the bucks just might be too bad. So I would

0:47:09.690 --> 0:47:14.049
<v Speaker 3>say like, it's, it's, And Chicago is interesting to me

0:47:14.110 --> 0:47:19.170
<v Speaker 3>just because Matas Muzelas, Norman Powell, even if it's a rental,

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:24.100
<v Speaker 3>I think Chicago, I like their team better. I feel

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.219
<v Speaker 3>like their team makes more sense. I think Washington still

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.060
<v Speaker 3>needs to do a couple of things for me to

0:47:28.340 --> 0:47:30.620
<v Speaker 3>buy into them. And the main one is moving Anthony

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:32.450
<v Speaker 3>Davis into a team that he likes.

0:47:34.390 --> 0:47:36.710
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we need to get DraftKings to get

0:47:36.770 --> 0:47:37.890
<v Speaker 2>us Bucks versus Wizards.

0:47:37.930 --> 0:47:41.930
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that'd be great. That'd be a good one. Or

0:47:42.030 --> 0:47:44.390
<v Speaker 3>Wizards versus Bulls. I think they're in that bottom three.

0:47:44.969 --> 0:47:49.590
<v Speaker 2>That's a true sicko battle.

0:47:50.210 --> 0:47:51.370
<v Speaker 3>Nobody wants this.

0:47:52.370 --> 0:47:56.180
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we do have it. Bulls versus Wizards. Wizards are

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>minus 250. Bulls plus 200, Brian.

0:47:59.920 --> 0:48:01.460
<v Speaker 3>Bulls plus 200?

0:48:01.460 --> 0:48:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I could be interested in the Bulls at that number.

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:04.779
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, at that number.

0:48:04.820 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 2>You can also get Jazz minus 165 versus Wizards.

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.379
<v Speaker 3>Are Nets versus Wizards available?

0:48:11.700 --> 0:48:12.460
<v Speaker 1>That might be free.

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 3>What's Nets versus Wizards?

0:48:13.900 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 2>We don't have that one. We only have Bulls and Wizards.

0:48:16.980 --> 0:48:21.140
<v Speaker 2>Or Bulls and Jazz. But plus 200 on Bulls. Minus

0:48:21.140 --> 0:48:22.319
<v Speaker 2>250 Wizards, plus 200 Bulls.

0:48:23.550 --> 0:48:23.810
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:48:24.090 --> 0:48:25.810
<v Speaker 2>We're going to do these lightning round. I just need

0:48:26.590 --> 0:48:28.950
<v Speaker 2>less than a minute from each of you on these bets.

0:48:29.050 --> 0:48:31.890
<v Speaker 2>We're going to do... Just the market is wrong. We

0:48:31.910 --> 0:48:33.770
<v Speaker 2>don't think that the market is right on these teams. Joe,

0:48:33.810 --> 0:48:37.450
<v Speaker 2>let's go back to you with what you're playing on

0:48:37.469 --> 0:48:37.710
<v Speaker 2>this one.

0:48:38.410 --> 0:48:40.730
<v Speaker 1>I got the Miami heat over five and a half seeds.

0:48:40.830 --> 0:48:42.670
<v Speaker 1>That means that they could avoid the play in tournament.

0:48:42.730 --> 0:48:44.810
<v Speaker 1>They're just going to be the six seed or, uh,

0:48:45.130 --> 0:48:48.430
<v Speaker 1>higher basically. Um, I just think that the East is

0:48:48.630 --> 0:48:51.509
<v Speaker 1>really solid top to bottom. Um, so this, and this

0:48:51.550 --> 0:48:54.299
<v Speaker 1>is a team that has a lot of new moving pieces.

0:48:54.739 --> 0:48:57.300
<v Speaker 1>Obviously one of the biggest ones is Giannis on an Acompo,

0:48:57.420 --> 0:49:01.700
<v Speaker 1>who is obviously still an incredible basketball player, but I

0:49:01.739 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>do think that there are going to be some things

0:49:02.980 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 1>they got to work through fit wise. Uh, I don't

0:49:05.300 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 1>think Spoh is going to be super concerned about like

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:10.460
<v Speaker 1>pushing the wind total up. I think they're going to

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 1>be concerned about Giannis' health, which has been something that's

0:49:13.500 --> 0:49:15.259
<v Speaker 1>been an issue over the past couple of seasons. I

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:16.780
<v Speaker 1>think that this is something they're going to be looking at.

0:49:16.790 --> 0:49:17.549
<v Speaker 3>They're going to be.

0:49:17.530 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Trying different things, making sure different players work together. or

0:49:20.620 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 1>different lineups fit together. So I think that they have

0:49:23.700 --> 0:49:27.279
<v Speaker 1>different goals maybe heading into the postseason. I think they

0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 1>should make the playoffs. They should definitely make the play-in

0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.750
<v Speaker 1>for sure. I just think over five and a half

0:49:32.790 --> 0:49:37.150
<v Speaker 1>seed is where I want to go. I'm not convinced

0:49:37.170 --> 0:49:39.570
<v Speaker 1>that they're going to necessarily be like a regular season juggernaut.

0:49:40.310 --> 0:49:43.450
<v Speaker 1>in the Eastern Conference, especially given what the structure is

0:49:43.489 --> 0:49:45.690
<v Speaker 1>right now. So over five and a half seed for

0:49:45.710 --> 0:49:46.310
<v Speaker 1>the Miami Heat.

0:49:47.780 --> 0:49:49.620
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if we look at this, this is the

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:57.939
<v Speaker 2>thing in the Eastern Conference, there's only so many spots, right? Detroit, Boston, Knicks, Sixers, Cavs, Raptors, okay?

0:49:58.300 --> 0:50:00.820
<v Speaker 2>That's six right there. So even if one of those

0:50:01.340 --> 0:50:03.669
<v Speaker 2>only drops, and you think the other five teams finish

0:50:03.690 --> 0:50:06.950
<v Speaker 2>with a better record than Miami, this checks out. I

0:50:07.030 --> 0:50:10.010
<v Speaker 2>was gearing up to take a pretty strong position against

0:50:10.050 --> 0:50:15.450
<v Speaker 2>Miami when I started doing work because my baseline projection

0:50:15.530 --> 0:50:19.360
<v Speaker 2>on them put them way under. I made some adjustments

0:50:19.500 --> 0:50:20.739
<v Speaker 2>on them, and I think I'm probably going to bump

0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:24.739
<v Speaker 2>them again. I'm just like, I'm going to stay away

0:50:25.100 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 2>from the Miami Heat. But I do think that they're like,

0:50:27.340 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a very reasonable case for them being

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.290
<v Speaker 2>the sixth seed. And I think that that's like entirely possible.

0:50:32.370 --> 0:50:33.770
<v Speaker 2>I've got them in the playing tournament right now. I

0:50:33.770 --> 0:50:36.580
<v Speaker 2>have Atlanta winning the division twice. and Miami being second.

0:50:37.540 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's without Orlando being better. Orlando might be better.

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to wait until preseason to see Orlando. I

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:46.779
<v Speaker 2>was very encouraged by the first half I saw from

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.760
<v Speaker 2>them tonight, actually, versus the Grizzlies. Spacing Wendell Carter Jr.

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 2>out to the five in the corner, and then having

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:57.529
<v Speaker 2>him crash in was like... I'm like, okay, Sean Swinney,

0:50:57.550 --> 0:51:00.150
<v Speaker 2>you've got my attention. Brian, you and I are on

0:51:00.190 --> 0:51:02.310
<v Speaker 2>the same one for this segment. We're both taking the

0:51:02.370 --> 0:51:03.110
<v Speaker 2>under on the Sixers.

0:51:03.770 --> 0:51:07.379
<v Speaker 3>I don't understand why... I mean, I understand why, but

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't get Philly being basically third best odds to

0:51:12.660 --> 0:51:15.410
<v Speaker 3>win the finals out of every team in the NBA.

0:51:15.650 --> 0:51:17.950
<v Speaker 3>Like I know the names are glamorous, but we do

0:51:18.010 --> 0:51:20.710
<v Speaker 3>know that LeBron's going to miss time, whether it be

0:51:20.770 --> 0:51:24.010
<v Speaker 3>because sciatica, whether it be because his foot fell off again,

0:51:24.090 --> 0:51:25.660
<v Speaker 3>or I don't know what it's going to be, but

0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.859
<v Speaker 3>like LeBron's going to miss time. We know Joel Embiid's

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 3>going to miss pretty significant time. The team just got

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 3>thinner with, I mean, this is not a joke, like

0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:37.190
<v Speaker 3>Ariel Huckporty, legitimately had a pathway to minutes had a

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:41.950
<v Speaker 3>fully guaranteed one-year deal and now they're going to have

0:51:41.989 --> 0:51:45.439
<v Speaker 3>games where they're going to be really small again with

0:51:45.500 --> 0:51:48.259
<v Speaker 3>maybe a dembona um they're going to have to try

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 3>to figure out a way to get another center at

0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 3>some point because how porty could have played real minutes

0:51:52.100 --> 0:51:53.399
<v Speaker 3>for them and i don't even know if he's good

0:51:53.580 --> 0:51:55.879
<v Speaker 3>like me and joe been watching him with the knicks

0:51:55.900 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 3>and we don't even know if he's good but he

0:51:57.500 --> 0:51:59.920
<v Speaker 3>would have had a chance there like there's still too

0:51:59.960 --> 0:52:02.180
<v Speaker 3>many questions for me to feel like they're going to

0:52:02.219 --> 0:52:04.540
<v Speaker 3>be a one seed or a two seed i think

0:52:05.580 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 3>similar to some of the other teams we've may have

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:09.670
<v Speaker 3>touched on, but they're going to be managed during the

0:52:09.710 --> 0:52:12.410
<v Speaker 3>regular season. They're interesting in the playoffs if they're healthy

0:52:12.450 --> 0:52:15.430
<v Speaker 3>by then, but just overall, like I'm interested in Sixers unders.

0:52:15.469 --> 0:52:18.350
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't, I don't, I get why people are

0:52:18.390 --> 0:52:20.710
<v Speaker 3>excited by this and they have players. I like, I

0:52:20.790 --> 0:52:23.350
<v Speaker 3>love Tyrese Maxey and I love VJ edge comb. I

0:52:23.370 --> 0:52:26.360
<v Speaker 3>respect LeBron a ton. Uh, Joella beat also, and Jalen

0:52:26.380 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 3>Brown for that matter. Like they have a lot of

0:52:27.739 --> 0:52:31.500
<v Speaker 3>guys that I respect, but I don't get the, the

0:52:31.580 --> 0:52:35.100
<v Speaker 3>regular season hype and some of the playoff hype, given that,

0:52:35.550 --> 0:52:37.859
<v Speaker 3>they need to get their healthy. And when is Joel

0:52:37.900 --> 0:52:40.980
<v Speaker 3>Embiid ever done that? And also LeBron is getting to

0:52:41.020 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 3>his mid forties at this point.

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Crazy.

0:52:45.100 --> 0:52:48.060
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely crazy. I'm with you here. No surprise. Just because

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.140
<v Speaker 2>I think there, I've said this really early on. I

0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.120
<v Speaker 2>think the Sixers are going to struggle because they're integrating

0:52:52.140 --> 0:52:53.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of new parts and it's going to be

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:55.420
<v Speaker 2>clunky in the first half of the year. And then

0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:56.719
<v Speaker 2>there'll be better by the end of the end of

0:52:56.739 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 2>the year, but there'll be missing more guys because of

0:52:58.620 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 2>injuries and high usage and a lot of miles on

0:53:00.580 --> 0:53:02.980
<v Speaker 2>these guys. And then I like their playoff upside. I

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:04.440
<v Speaker 2>think the Sixers are going to be tough when the

0:53:04.460 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 2>playoffs come around. I think there'll be a better playoff

0:53:06.500 --> 0:53:08.820
<v Speaker 2>team than regular season for the first time in Joel

0:53:08.860 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 2>and beads, uh, career. I think that that's true. Um,

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.890
<v Speaker 2>you know, I made the number of 37% overrate for

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:19.990
<v Speaker 2>teams in that 50 to 55 when band, um, teams

0:53:20.030 --> 0:53:25.390
<v Speaker 2>that jumped five plus wins are 12 and 25 to

0:53:25.450 --> 0:53:31.700
<v Speaker 2>the over 32% to the over. Um, coming off of

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<v Speaker 2>41 to 47 wins as a playoff team are only 27.9%

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<v Speaker 2>of the over. And it's like, we have those teams

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<v Speaker 2>and add this talent. Sure. But this is like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of those teams did add talent, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>projected to get, get better. Here's the last one. They

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<v Speaker 2>have a top five highest line teams with a top

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<v Speaker 2>five preseason line are 28 and 49 to the over

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<v Speaker 2>at 36%. So to me, this is a trend play.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just like, look, the market usually thinks these

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<v Speaker 2>teams are going to be better than they are next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if LeBron moves on, I think they could be awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's going to take them a year to get together. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do our best bets presented by DraftKings Sportsbook. The

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<v Speaker 2>crown is yours. I'm going to go with the Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>under 52 and a half because the market line, the vibes, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you got your year, Joe. You got your, I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>happy for all the, I really am very happy for

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<v Speaker 2>all the Knicks fans in my life because they're such

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<v Speaker 2>good fans and they're good people.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't believe you. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the people I directly know, not the people online,

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<v Speaker 2>but like the people I actually know, like Joe and

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<v Speaker 2>like Jared Dubin and like all these people that are

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<v Speaker 2>like so happy that this happened. I was like so

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled for them. And then like Jim Turvey likes to

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<v Speaker 2>pretend he's a Knicks fan. So that's cute. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but look, your owner is James Dolan. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't have good things two years in a row. under

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<v Speaker 2>52 and a half for them. Brian, what is your

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<v Speaker 2>best bet presented by DraftKings?

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<v Speaker 3>Back to where we started, Warriors, under 39 and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just not buying it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Joe, your best bet presented by DraftKings?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the Pelicans, under 29 and a half wins.

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<v Speaker 1>I just, I can't look at this team anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Break it, blow it up, blow it up. They're done.

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<v Speaker 2>Poor New Orleans. Those are our best bets presented by DraftKings.

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<v Speaker 2>The crown is yours. That's got to do it here

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<v Speaker 2>on Buck. I appreciate you guys being with us. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you guys again next time. We're back next week

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<v Speaker 2>with more preseason content. Lots of futures coming at you.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do player props next week. We're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>a draft. I'm going to get Brian on. I think

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<v Speaker 2>just like to talk basketball because I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>some of his thoughts on the league and stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that, and then guess what after next week?

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<v Speaker 2>That's me. Buckets is back. We're both so glad to

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<v Speaker 2>have you. My thanks to David Payne, our producer. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you guys again next time. Thanks for joining us.

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