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Speaker 3: dot com. Good morning, everybody. Happy Wednesday. See I can't

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Speaker 4: That's true, that's true.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what my haters and and all my friends

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Speaker 1: Where? Okay, Doha, Doha.

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Speaker 3: We're going to start with the Doha attack, shall we we?

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Speaker 3: This is obviously we had breaking news yesterday literally in

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Speaker 3: not have a better person on the show to break

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Speaker 3: all of that down. With absolutely major consequential attack by

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Speaker 3: break down everything that we know, both about the attack

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Speaker 3: themselves away from the attack although not really doing anything

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Speaker 3: about it pretty feckless if you asked me. We're going

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Speaker 3: to talk about Epstein. So we did give some review

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Speaker 3: of the Epstein files that were released by the Oversight Committee,

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Speaker 3: but Emily and I are going to go through I

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Speaker 3: picked I read the entire book. I had to take

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Speaker 3: out sixteen seventeen images the two of us can go through.

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Speaker 3: We've gone through the Trump letter, but there's so much

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Speaker 3: more in the book. Some of the richest, most powerful people,

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Speaker 3: we say, Emily, you are going to break down shutdown politics?

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Speaker 1: For me, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: So Emily is much more of a scholar, I would say,

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Speaker 3: on the institutional right than I am. And Democrats are

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Speaker 3: not going through their own twenty thirteen moment. Ezracline, one

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Speaker 3: And you've pulled actually some old clips from back then

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Speaker 3: I'm really interested to hear what you have to say.

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Speaker 3: We're going to cover Venezuela. Obviously we've had a lot

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Speaker 3: Major exchange, I guess you could call that between JD.

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Speaker 3: And then finally, Emily and I are going to do

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Speaker 3: up to here. So with that, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 3: start with Doha. There was an extraordinary statement from the

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Speaker 3: White House trying to distance itself from the Israeli attack

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Speaker 3: Washington yesterday said he was not happy. He did not

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Speaker 3: have any advance. But was he caught by surprise? He

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Speaker 7: But we are not thrilled about the way that went

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Speaker 8: So you were caught by surprise.

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Speaker 7: About it, I'll be giving a full statement tomorrow, but

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Speaker 7: I would tell you this. I was very unhappy about it,

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Speaker 7: very unhappy about every aspect. And we got to get

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Speaker 7: the hostages back, but I was very unhappy about the

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Speaker 3: I was very unhappy about the way that went down.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to do anything about it?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 3: And by the way, this is just shi It fits

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Speaker 8: This morning, the Trump administration was notified by the United

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Speaker 8: States Military that as Israel was attacking Hamas, which very

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Speaker 8: unfortunately was located in a section of Doha, the capital

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Speaker 8: of Qatar. Unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a sovereign nation and

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Speaker 8: close ally of the United States that is working very

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Speaker 8: hard in bravely taking risks with us to broker peace,

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Speaker 8: does not advance Israel or America's goals. However, eliminating Hamas,

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Speaker 8: who have profited off the misery of those living in

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Speaker 8: Gaza is a worthy goal. President Trump immediately directed Special

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Speaker 8: Envoy Whitkoff to inform the Qataris of the impending attack,

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Speaker 8: which he did. The President views Qatar as a strong

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Speaker 8: ally and friend of the United States and feels very

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Speaker 8: badly about the location of this attack. President Trump's wants

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Speaker 8: all of the hostages in Gaza and the bodies of

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Speaker 8: the dead released in this war to end now. President

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Speaker 8: Trump also spoke to Prime Minister Netnyahu after the attack.

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Speaker 8: The Prime Minister told President Trump that he wants to

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Speaker 8: make peace and quickly. President Trump believes this unfortunate incident

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Speaker 8: could serve as an opportunity for peace. The President also

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Speaker 8: He assured them that such a thing will not happen

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Speaker 1: Such a thing will not happen again on their soil.

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Speaker 3: But we're not going to do anything to the client

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Speaker 3: state which perpetuated that attack and according to the White House,

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Speaker 3: extraordinary action, the violation of their sovereignty using ten some

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Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, we'll get to this in

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Speaker 3: a second. One of the most high profile debts here

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Speaker 5: Seventh, even more eerily of a parallel or more even

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Speaker 5: that the Trump administration is infuriated, the Trump advisors are infuriated,

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Speaker 5: and you can bet that's probably Steve Whitcoff, probably Trump

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Speaker 5: Last element, or the one that's just before this is

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Speaker 5: parrotied what Caroline Levitt said on True Social, that quote

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Speaker 5: thank you for your attention to this matter.

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Speaker 6: But this is so so similar to exactly what Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump ran against Joe Biden. That's right, and you cannot

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Speaker 6: possibly understate the extent to which this is similar to

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Speaker 6: what was happening with Joe Biden. This is the nets

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Speaker 6: in Yahoo not telling Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, and also if it let's say it's let's

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Speaker 5: say it's not true. What does Trump want to project publicly? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's right, right, that's I mean, it makes him look

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Speaker 3: It makes him look weak basically, no matter what. And

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Speaker 3: that's kind of what's ridiculous about it. Israel's attack infuriated

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Speaker 3: Trump advisors like, okay, so what are you gonna do

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Speaker 3: about You're gonna cut off any weapons?

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Speaker 1: No, are you going to put diplomatic pressure?

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Speaker 3: No? Are you going to do literally anything other than

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Speaker 3: green light the Gaza city and invasion? No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so then you're just Joe Biden all over again.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's all just sit with American power, American

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Speaker 3: security guarantees, an American diplomacy. As Ryan so eloquently put

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Speaker 3: final terms. You have to agree to them. If not,

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Speaker 3: you know, quote unquote, there'll be hell to pay. And

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Speaker 3: which means what, oh, just get the full bengevir Smotrich,

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Speaker 3: who could avoid this possibility? We tried everything, did you? No?

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Speaker 5: That's why there's the debate on the Israeli right is

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Speaker 4: You can take the land that you want and do

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Speaker 3: Same with Mody. We hit them with fifty percentI. Mody's like, okay, fine,

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Speaker 3: is involved. And that's why I think that the NATO

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Speaker 3: stuff is not off the table. You know, everyone's talking

438
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Speaker 3: about Poland this morning and Russian drones and all of that.

439
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 3: It was a drone apparently, I think it was. I

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00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: don't exactly know the circumstances. The Polish and the Dutch

441
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 3: Air Force shot them down. It's definitely a crazy situation,

442
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. But they're not invoking Article five

443
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Speaker 3: and everyone's saying, oh, the NATO needs to stand strong again.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely ask the world, like.

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Speaker 3: If Israel bombed Turkey, would America do anything about it,

446
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Speaker 3: especially if they invoked Article five. No, we would just

447
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 3: dissolve NATO. We all know that is that Apparently we

448
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 3: would pick Israel, a country which we have no treaty

449
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Speaker 3: obligation to defend, zero treaty appligation to defend, which is

450
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Speaker 3: some fifty something ranked in our trading partners of basic

451
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Speaker 3: zero consequence to US affairs, and we put it at

452
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Speaker 3: the top as if it's like the UK or something

453
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Speaker 3: like that. It's totally nuts. And yeah, I mean it's

454
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Speaker 3: like one of the you know, the critics are always like,

455
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Speaker 3: why are you so obsessed with Israel. I'm like, well,

456
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Speaker 3: a good government's obsessed with Israel. You know, we have

457
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Speaker 3: no choice but to cover all of this, at all

458
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Speaker 3: of this extraordinary like gangster type behavior, and just show

459
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 3: how it emasculates, humiliates, and undermines so many other US

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Speaker 3: strategic interests far more important than this country in the

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Speaker 3: Middle East.

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Speaker 4: But it's not even just Israel.

463
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Speaker 5: Because how many times did we talk about Biden getting

464
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Speaker 5: absolutely rolled by Zelensky? How many times did Donald talk

465
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Speaker 5: about Biden getting absolutely rolled by Zelensky? And now you

466
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Speaker 5: see something a pretty similar dynamic playing out again. I

467
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 5: think Trump seemed genuinely surprised. There's no yeah, exactly, there's

468
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Speaker 5: no There's nobody in the Trump administration, I mean, aside

469
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Speaker 5: from a few people that actually would say, like, yes, Israel,

470
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Speaker 5: like this is our ideological position they should wipe out

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Speaker 5: this Hamas meeting and cutter like strike Doha do it.

472
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Speaker 5: Nobody was like absolutely in favor of that happening, save

473
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Speaker 5: maybe a handful of people work at the State Department

474
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Speaker 5: or something like that, where you have some of those

475
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Speaker 5: idea likes, maybe some of the people you've reported on soccer.

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Speaker 4: But that's like the entire to your point that makes

477
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Speaker 4: it worse.

478
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 5: What other ally would Donald Trump think about Donald Trump?

479
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Speaker 4: Would he react as he did yesterday?

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's insane and it looks Remember all of

482
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Speaker 5: the people after the horrible, tragic Afghanistan withdrawal who were

483
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 5: saying these are some very hawkish people who were saying

484
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 5: this gave China permission to start making bigger plans in Taiwan.

485
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Speaker 5: This gave Putin permission to invade Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Who does this give permission to It's right, No, it

487
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: gives permission Israel to do whatever it wants, bombed like

488
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Speaker 3: five countries and literally this span of I'm not joking, but.

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Speaker 5: You're also listening to Modi Hijinpang Putin like that is

490
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Speaker 5: I mean that if you're consistent about that point, it

491
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Speaker 5: is real.

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Speaker 1: I talked about Kim Jong un, same thing.

493
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Speaker 3: Kim Jong un flew to I think he flew to Beijing,

494
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Speaker 3: you know, for the National Military Parade, literally his first

495
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Speaker 3: ever like diplomatic conference outside of meetings with Donald Trump,

496
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: and he just doesn't care anymore about US words or

497
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: any of that. He's like, I'm going to keep my

498
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: nuwe because I'm just gonna keep doing whatever I want

499
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: to do. You can live with it or not. We

500
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: don't care anymore, all right, I mean that's really the response.

501
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 1: But we're gonna take.

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Speaker 3: They don't take. But that didn't even work, did it.

503
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 3: You know, we do not even on the path to

504
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: get that done. So yeah, it's just it's dramatically undermining

505
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: the US strategic position. It makes him look just like Israel.

506
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Speaker 3: You know, it makes you look like a bitch. Yeah,

507
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: it makes you look just like Biden, who was also

508
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: humiliated by this country over and over again. I'm just

509
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 3: like waiting for I never thought I would say this.

510
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for somebody to be like Bill Clinton and

511
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Speaker 3: just say who's the superpower here?

512
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Speaker 1: Right? I mean, why is this so on?

513
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Speaker 3: You know?

514
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Speaker 1: George W.

515
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Speaker 3: Bush even criticized Israel's military. What happened to this country.

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Speaker 1: That was not that that was in the year two

517
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Speaker 1: thousand and one.

518
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Speaker 3: Ari Fleischer criticized Israel from the White House podium. You know,

519
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: I mean, what is what has happened? And uh well,

520
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: I think I know the answer anyway. That's Maybe it

521
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: fits with the next part, isn't it. Maybe this is

522
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: a good transition to real Epstein block. So let's get

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00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 3: into it, shall we. All right, we're gonna turn to

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00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: the Epstein story now. The White House continues to insist

525
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 3: that the story is a hoax, specifically only that Trump's

526
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 3: signature in the birthday book was a hoax, but that

527
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Speaker 3: not all of it is a hoax.

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Speaker 1: But the entire thing is also kind of a hoax.

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Speaker 1: So here's what they had to say.

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Speaker 3: What is the theory since these documents came from the

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Speaker 3: Epstein estate, who is I guess, in your view, baking

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Speaker 3: these doctor.

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Speaker 8: I did not say the documents are a hoax. I said,

534
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Speaker 8: the entire narrative surrounding Jeffrey Epstein right now that is

535
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Speaker 8: absorbing many of the liberal cable channels on television is

536
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 8: a hoax that is being perpetuated by opportunistic democrats like

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Speaker 8: Rocanna and the others whom you saw on that press

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Speaker 8: conference outside of Capitol Hill, who are trying to push

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Speaker 8: this hoax against the President of the United States.

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Speaker 1: What exactly is the hoax? I'm just trying to understand

541
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Speaker 1: what's fake. What's fake is not the doctor.

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Speaker 8: The hoax is the Democrats pretending to care about victims

543
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 8: of crime when they do not care about victims of crime,

544
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Speaker 8: when they have done nothing to solve crimes, when they

545
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 8: have done nothing to lock up child pedophiles and child

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00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 8: rapists across the country, and when they are now using

547
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Speaker 8: victims as political props to try and again smear the

548
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Speaker 8: President of the United States and drag on this bad

549
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 8: story about him.

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Speaker 4: It is a distraction.

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Speaker 8: The Democrats view this story as nothing more than an

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Speaker 8: attempt to distract from the accomplishments and the achievements of

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Speaker 8: this administration. And that is what we mean when we

554
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Speaker 8: call it a hoax.

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00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: That's what they mean when they call it a hoax. Okay,

556
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: all right, got it interesting?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: So we use that as a segue because we were

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Speaker 3: not able to fully go through the entire book.

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Speaker 1: I have now read the entire book.

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Speaker 3: Emily and I and We've curated a bunch of images here.

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Speaker 4: This is from one hundred and thirty eight pages.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred and thirty eight pages.

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Speaker 3: It took me a couple hours to go through everything

565
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Speaker 3: and to scrutinize it, and so I have collated I

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00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 3: think it's sixteen of some of the most crazy images,

567
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Speaker 3: and also just to demonstrate to you the degenerate life

568
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: style that this man lived out in the open amongst

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Speaker 3: the richest and most powerful people in the world, and

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00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: to which they not only thought it was funny, but

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00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 3: that many of them were quote in on the joke,

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Speaker 3: and basically all of the letters were written to keep

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Speaker 3: in mind, these are not like frat boys you know,

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Speaker 3: who are sixteen seventeen years old. They're like fifty sixty

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00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: year old men right at a certain point, who are

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00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: all making like truly disgusting jokes and letters and all

577
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: these other things acknowledging his degenerate behavior.

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00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 5: So which, by the way, a lot of this does

579
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 5: undermine the testimony that Gyln Maxwell.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we'll get to that, don't worry about. Yeah, we're

581
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 1: going to get to that.

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00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: Glaine has got a lot of explaining to do in

583
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: terms of her sworn testimony that just come out from

584
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: the birthday book itself. So let's start with image number one.

585
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: Let's just give everybody a taste of Epstein. Yeah, trigger warning,

586
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: I guess I should have say beforehand. So there's a

587
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: photo on the left there of Epstein and his bros

588
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: all wearing Speedos or Teddy White, whatever that you want

589
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: to say, and then recreating image together. Shout out to

590
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: the guy on the right who actually did keep his

591
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: boxers on for the recreation image where Epstein just you know,

592
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: hanging out with the guys together recreating images some thirty

593
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: years later, all of us in our tidy whities and

594
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: in our underwear for the camp. Very normal behavior that

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00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: middle aged action, not even middle age fifty year old

596
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: ten are engaging in, right, So just give me a

597
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: little taste. This comes from the friends section of the book,

598
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: the early friends, the people who he grew up with,

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00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: the Brooklyn, the Brooklyn.

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Speaker 4: So the book is Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So there's a table of contents for this two hundred

602
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 5: and thirty eight page book that Glenn Maxwell put together,

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00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 5: and the pages that the House Oversight Committee.

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00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: Released are scans, that's right, with some redactions.

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00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 5: So the chapters start with prologue family Brooklyn, then it

606
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 5: goes to girlfriends, then it goes to children, which we're

607
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 5: going to get to that entire All of the names

608
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 5: there are redacted. We have some information Slacker's been chasing

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00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 5: it down. But that picture is from the Brooklyn section

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00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 5: of the book, which I don't know about you, Sager.

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00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 5: I mean, you're very deep in epstein mythology. But this book,

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00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: even just the Brooklyn section, even just hearing reflections from

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00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 5: some of his friends on Jeffrey Epstein's early life, his upbringing,

614
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 5: his accordion playing, I actually think we got substantially more

615
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 5: information about Jeffrey Epston's personal biography.

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00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: That's right.

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00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just to explain a little bit, there's been

618
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: a lot of questions about who Epstein was before Dalton.

619
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: You know, we focus on the Dalton School and where

620
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 3: he is this teacher who's never graduated from college.

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Speaker 1: He's hired by Bill Barr's father to teach math.

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Speaker 3: We know that he was chasing young girls even as

623
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: a teacher at age twenty three, so it's kind of

624
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: a question and you're like, hey, you know, where do

625
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: these predilections come from?

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Speaker 5: And yes, by the way, he was likely hired by

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Speaker 5: Bill Barr's father. We can go down that rabbit hole.

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00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, we could do, thank you.

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Speaker 3: But prior to that, there's kind of a black hole

630
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: about Epstein. We know he grew up there in Brooklyn,

631
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: we don't really know a lot about what he did.

632
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: What comes out from the book is that even when

633
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: he's a teenager, him and his friends are all reminiscing

634
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: about their wild sexual escapades. Not I mean, look, I'm

635
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: not even gonna read it like it's so graphic. I

636
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: can't literally cannot be saw some of this stuff. It's wild,

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00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's one of those where you're like, oh,

638
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: so even as a teenager, you and your friends were

639
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: engaged in like very predatory, creepy behavior. I'm going to

640
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: get to some of the images just to show you guys,

641
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: some of the jokes that they were thrown around. I

642
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: did think it was important. Let's put the next one

643
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: up on the screen. Very early in the book, we

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00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: see this image of a woman who is posed there

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Speaker 3: with Jeffrey Epstein and the caption is, quote, he is

646
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Speaker 3: the boyfriend of X.

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Speaker 1: Quote. We think he works for the CIA. So why

648
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: does that matter?

649
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: Because it's exactly in those very early days, and I

650
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Speaker 3: focus on this in the Epstein mythology, that his initial

651
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: interactions with intelligence, or at least appear to be interacted

652
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: with Intelligence's a limited amount of evidence for this seemed

653
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: to come to the surface, and that is his interactions

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00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: with these arms dealers, where he allegedly, according to their testimony,

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00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: got on a private plane to the Pentagon and was

656
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: engaged in sketchy financial transactions, all of which are involving

657
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: people like Robert Maxwell and the Koshoge family. You know,

658
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: so many of these others who are basically high financier

659
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: cutouts for different states like Israel, Saudi Arabia and other

660
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: Some of it is also linked back to Iran contra,

661
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: just to give you an example. And it's in these

662
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: early days that I don't think it's a coincidence.

663
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: Quote.

664
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: We think he works for the CIA, even though Glaine said, oh,

665
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: he would never do that, and then they put it

666
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: in I would have known, And then of course they

667
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: put it in the book, and maybe it was a joke.

668
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a joke. I don't think so.

669
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: All right, so let's continue, shall we to the children's

670
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: section of the book again, where these predilections are just

671
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: like out in the open. I literally don't even know.

672
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have any.

673
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: Words for this stuff.

674
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: Like it's like, here comes the bride, all dressed in white.

675
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: You know, where's the groom and his ladies? Where is

676
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: the reminder work on his binder in the glory? What

677
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 3: does that say of his dog? Like it's this is

678
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: literally a children's like rhyme image that was drawn for

679
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: him by a literal child. We don't know exactly the

680
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: name because it's redacted actually in the book, but this

681
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: is for some reason meaningful to him in this birthday book,

682
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: could be a relative. Like again, it's not all that explained.

683
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: It's creepy, it's weird. The bride, you know, what is

684
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: the mythology the symbology of this And if you're all

685
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: familiar with some of the you know the I really

686
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 3: hesitated to like go in. But if you ever watch

687
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: True Detective season one, right, you know the idea of

688
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: the child bride and all that is, it's like deep

689
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: in the lore of a lot of the way that

690
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: these guys act. And I'm not making this stuff up.

691
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: Let's put the fourth image here on the screen. I

692
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: mean again, trigger warning. Okay, thankfully some of it as censored.

693
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: But this is a small child girl who somebody's you know,

694
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: family member, I guess parents submitted to the book of

695
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: her like posing suggestively in pajamas, playing the piano. Keep

696
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 3: the piano in mind. It continues to like recycle throughout

697
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: the book.

698
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: And you go ahead, Well.

699
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: If you're just listening to this, yeah, and you're not

700
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 5: seeing the poses that this girl is in. There's one

701
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 5: where she's sort of popping her hip out right.

702
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: It's like hyper sexual image of a young girl.

703
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 5: Right, So if someone is trying to you know, if

704
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: we're steel manning the Epstein defenders who say, maybe it's

705
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 5: a niece. No, maybe it's I mean, even if it is,

706
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: it's disgusting.

707
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: Look as the father of a young girl. Now, I

708
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: just I whoever did this, you're sick. I mean, you

709
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: should be prosecuted. But let's continue, I mean, more more photos. Okay,

710
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 3: let's go to the next one, saying that a presumably

711
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: young child holding a teddy bear. These are all being

712
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: included in the book. I don't know exactly what that

713
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: image on the right is. Potentially it's Epstein or somebody

714
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: else with the child laying in bed. But I mean again,

715
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: you know, these are really disgusting images in the context

716
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: of some of the things that we know about Epstein

717
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: from this point forward. So this then fits very importantly

718
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: again with his early upbringing and with his friends. So

719
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 3: let's go to the next one, because here this is

720
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: a little joke between Epstein and his friends. So this

721
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 3: is a photo again for those who are just listening,

722
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: of Epstein and his friend. One is wearing a ski mask.

723
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: The guys were holding a knife in his hand. Epstein

724
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: is what is that pantyhise is wearing over his face,

725
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: and they're posing, and the caption is written quote. Finally,

726
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: at the home of our friend, let's call him mister Brown,

727
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: Jeffrey unveiled his plan. To some it may have seemed

728
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 3: to get rich quick scheme, but to me it was

729
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: pure genius. Rob and kill was the name of the plan.

730
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: The first victim blank to be attacked and brutally plundered.

731
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: Would she want more than that?

732
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: Question?

733
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: Mark on the boardwalk in Venice Beach broad daylight. The

734
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: dastardly thieves were never caught. PostScript, I retired quote from

735
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: the life, but I recently read an article in New York,

736
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: which led Lee to believe my old friend mister E

737
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: had continued on and become an industry leader.

738
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: I just look, I know it's.

739
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: A different time the two thousand I mean, I was

740
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: alive in two thousand and three, so were you. I

741
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: don't think it was all that different. I think that's

742
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: I don't think there's an internescent explanation for this. So like,

743
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: what is the implication exactly here that we used to

744
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: go around robbing and raping women like you know, with

745
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: masks on our face.

746
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: This is the sign we're joking.

747
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: Of sick, degenerate individuals at the very least, and potentially

748
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: much larger criminal behavior. And it's that context of who

749
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: he was amongst all of his friends and others which

750
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: becomes relevant as we start to get into the richest

751
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: and most powerful people in the world, which gets to

752
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: our next one. Let's put it up there please on

753
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: the screen. So here we have a letter on the

754
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: occasion of Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday, a VF.

755
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: I haven't fully deciphered this.

756
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 4: There's a key in the book, The Vanity Fairs.

757
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: All right, So vanity, okay, that's what it is. Right,

758
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: So VFPC is something to be. A VFPC is something

759
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: to say. A liver, a lover, A jeff a Jeffrey,

760
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: let's all give a cheer for today is his fifty

761
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: five decades?

762
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: I are half century.

763
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: By birds and bucks, C and M's are his key

764
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 3: blonde red or Brunette's spread out geographically with his net

765
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 3: a fish. Jeff's now the old man and the sea,

766
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: teaching math, trading options or foreign currency, green eye shades,

767
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: schemes and plans, a unique tax strategy, wet dream. And

768
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 3: I can't read that in architects, wildspree, Moscow, Paris, Santa

769
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: fe Alhambra, East Jamboree.

770
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: Let's go to the next part.

771
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 3: Maxwellian delight, a mother's treasure, great joy, most surely Harvidian

772
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: patron brain researcher for extending. I can't read that right there, outrageous, iconoclastic, unconventional,

773
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: spirit free, best of all, A dear friend, Happy birthday, Jeffrey,

774
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: love and kisses Leon Black.

775
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Okay, that's Leon Black, who.

776
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: Is one of the richest, most powerful people in the

777
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: state or in the city of New York. Equity Giant

778
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: paid Jeffrey Epstein. Some one hundred and seventy million dollars.

779
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: Most of us don't really know why he's joking here

780
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: about the Vanity Fair poster child.

781
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: I guess the VFPC.

782
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: They're all joking about the fact that Vanity Fair of

783
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: course included him on that cover in two thousand and three,

784
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: where that just scratched the surface of some of his predilections.

785
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: But unfortunately, a lot of the most damning reporting was

786
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 3: actually buried after threats and others were made against Graydon

787
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: Carter and the reporter who worked on that story, Vicky Ward,

788
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: has shown that she had so much of the Epstein

789
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: story even at that time, but that it was killed

790
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: after legal threats and by a lot of other stuff.

791
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: That was going on. Now let's go to the next one,

792
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: shall we.

793
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: This is a quote Vanity Unfair cover featuring Nicole Kidman

794
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: that was included by Alan Dershwitz in his birthday letter

795
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: to Jeffrey.

796
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 4: What does that say of wide right?

797
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well exactly, thank you. And that's where the piano

798
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: also cuts in here.

799
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: They say, bring it on, Jeffrey, consume Jeffrey, intoxicate me, Jeffrey.

800
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: Nicole Kidman bears her soul, so it looks like what

801
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: Alan Dershwitz did is he like super imposed Epstein's name

802
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: onto a bunch of other captions that are there on there,

803
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: and says Jeffrey Epstein on the rampage, Jeffrey Epstein's bloody submurb,

804
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart. Al Qaeda in South America,

805
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: financed by Epstein, financed by Epstein. Interesting, and they also say,

806
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: who was Jack the Ripper? Was it Jeffrey Epstein. So

807
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: that's the Vanity Unfair image wow by Alan Derschwitz. Meanwhile,

808
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: he's harassing Perogi sellers on the island of Martha's Vineyard.

809
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: No, he's holding them accountable, holding.

810
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: Them accountable for their anti Semitism.

811
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 5: This is attached with a note from Dershwitz that says,

812
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 5: Dear Jeffrey, as a birthday gift to you, I managed

813
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 5: to obtain an early version of the Vanity Unfair article.

814
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 5: I talked them into changing the focus from you to

815
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: Bill Clinton, as you will see from the enclosed excerpt,

816
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 5: Happy birthday and best regards.

817
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 4: So then Dershowitz is acting.

818
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 5: Like it's a funny joke to then say he got

819
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: Vanity Fair to focus on Bill Clinton.

820
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 4: Like, haha, Vanity Fair is so mean to.

821
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein thinks he's involved in all of this stuff,

822
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 5: but actually it's Bill Clinton. Here's a funny joke, your

823
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: friend Bill Clinton from Islanders.

824
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: So funny, especially because Clinton was also included in the book.

825
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, absolutely, all right.

826
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: So let's go to the next one. As you can

827
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: all see here, put the on the screen. So here

828
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: you say, leaving you with home interesting friends to entertain instead.

829
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: This is part of a ten page letter with images

830
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: that was submitted by Jonathan Lord Jonathan Mendelssohn. Sorry, I

831
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: don't want to Peter Mendelssohn, Sorry, Peter Mendlssoon. I mean

832
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 3: is who is the UK ambassador to the United States, right,

833
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: literally the Baron Mendelssohn, who is a senior labor figure

834
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: and the current UK ambassador.

835
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: He says, I regret all of.

836
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: My previous interactions with Epstein. That's his defense basically, So

837
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: this is the current ambassa. All right, let's go to

838
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: the next one. This is where things start to get

839
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 3: really disturbing, and this is where you start to see

840
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: these cartoon images and others where we're just making open

841
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: reference to the jet and to girls and hanging out.

842
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: This is submitted by someone named Joel. The table of

843
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: contents seems to indicate that it is Joel Pashaw, who

844
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: is a real estate developer, former friend apparently Donald Trump.

845
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: You guys all sig him yesterday in the image of

846
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: the check from Trump that was given to Epstein for

847
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: a depreciated woman. But you know, to be honest, some

848
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: of the creepier stuff comes from him. Let's go to

849
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 3: the next one. This is, I mean, just such an

850
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: insane photo. It's like a cartoon drawing of Epstein grooming

851
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: young girls in the year nineteen eighty three, and then

852
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: all of them massaging him in the year twenty and three,

853
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: twenty years later. Says what a great country. Je tattooed

854
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: on one of their asses, literally scantily clad in a bikini,

855
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: presumably either on an island or somewhere. Some people were

856
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: saying it might be mar Lago. They're actually not one

857
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: hundred percent sure whether it is. That's what it is.

858
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: There's a building.

859
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: There's a building in a background with palm trees. I

860
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: could see it, but it also could have been Little

861
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: Saint James's Island retreat. This is actually what I found interesting.

862
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: So this was a world news joke headline included and

863
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: it says international everyman of history revealed as an alien

864
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: in disguise. Strange beings from a planet near distance, star

865
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: hatch sinister plot to corner choice real estate on Earth.

866
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: They all exhibit curious aversion.

867
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: To food and wine. And then what's that last one? Say?

868
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: Ex President taken in presumably mister Bill Clinton.

869
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: And then let's get to this.

870
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: Image that I've been I've been kind of obsessing about

871
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: this image and maybe if you guys can all help me.

872
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: And this is what I mean about the piano becoming

873
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 3: a recurring motif in the Epstein book. So this looks

874
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: like it was written by or drawn by a child,

875
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: and I'm still trying to figure it all out. So basically,

876
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: it shows a person playing piano in the center. All

877
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: of these pink things are presumably chairs that the audience

878
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: is like encircled around. But the creepy part is this girl,

879
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: presumably a girl who is there drawn in gold, who

880
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: is at the center of the floor. Now, some innocent

881
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: explanation people were saying was that she's performing.

882
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like she's performing to me. Emily.

883
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: It looks like she's laying on the ground like prostrate,

884
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 3: potentially injured. I don't know what it is. The person

885
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: who signed this, I won't say their name. I have

886
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: We've desperately been trying to locate this individual down there

887
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: at the bottom. We don't know who this guy is.

888
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: I have some indication actually could have been drawn by

889
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: a child. It was included in the children's section.

890
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: It certainly looks like it was drawn.

891
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: It looks like it was drawn by a child. I

892
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: can't say one hundred percent, but it does look that way.

893
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know this and his explanation for this,

894
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 3: and you can probably see whatever you want to see.

895
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: Some people saying, oh, it's just a piano recital, but

896
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: there's so many there's this weird piano recurring motif throughout

897
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: the birthday book. And the reason why I think that's

898
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: relevant is because of the most famous scene from Eyes

899
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: White Shut where they're literally playing a piano during their

900
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: like sex call. And look, I know, I sound crazy,

901
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: I sound crazy. Yeah, there's in a ballroom right exactly,

902
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: and I'm you know, some of the other stuff is

903
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: not there, like the masks and all of that and

904
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: maybe there is an innocent explanation. As I said, I

905
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: would love to get in contact with the person who

906
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: drew this. I put out a call on social media

907
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: to do so. If you are in touch with this person,

908
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: please tell them to contact me, because I would like

909
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: to hear what the explanation and the circumstances that led

910
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 3: to the inclusion of this in the book are. It's

911
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: just so unspeakably creepy, this entire thing, and the open

912
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: acknowledgment from all the friends about his predilections, the drawing,

913
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: the images. They all knew, right, It's like a Weinstein thing.

914
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: They didn't just know. It was not just open secret,

915
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: it was an acknowledged thing between all of them. Yeah,

916
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: it was a joke what they were all up to.

917
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: Let's continue to the next one. Here you have one

918
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: of Epstein's girlfriends. She says, visiting you down in Palm

919
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: Beach quote, can't get a second of privacy with you

920
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: and the camera around haha. And she includes a photo

921
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: of her scantily clad her face is blurred out there. Look,

922
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: I mean presumably, and this is kind of what Tracey

923
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: and other defenders have said. It's like, look, a lot

924
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: of these people were there voluntarily.

925
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she was.

926
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: But the kind of the point that I take away

927
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: from that is the camera there being present, and also

928
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: all of these pictures that presumably these guys are all

929
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: taking with each other making a joke about the Trump

930
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: check about you know, the one of him in his

931
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: underwear with his bros. The one of him with his

932
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 3: friend in the scheme ask.

933
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 4: This is a picture of him in the book. His

934
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 4: penis is redactive.

935
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: And there's also a picture of Blaine, you know, without

936
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 3: wearing her top on. So it's like this guy had

937
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: a predilection for the camera. He had a predilection for documentation, right,

938
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that a lot of

939
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: people have focused on. They have said, oh, we don't

940
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: have a lot of the images, the tapes don't exist,

941
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: right from the FBI and all of that. It's like, well,

942
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: you know, there's by the way, Glen Maxwell said.

943
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: I know every inch, I know every inch of those properties.

944
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: I built them, et cetera.

945
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: And you know, it took me two seconds to find

946
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: photos of surveillance cameras in Epstein's bedroom, all around the

947
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: Manhattan townhouse. It was part of the original police report

948
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: back in two thousand and nineteen, and here they are

949
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: some of his girlfriends joking about it in the birthday book.

950
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: Oh can't get a moment of privacy because there's always

951
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: a camera around. Ye right, okay, So I'd like to

952
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: see some of that. Go to the next one, shall

953
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: we What do we have here? So again, remember this

954
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: back in two thousand and three. This is the last one.

955
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: This is from one of the girlfriends. She said before Jeffrey,

956
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: it was a twenty two year old Deboresay, this is

957
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: the part I picked after Jeffrey. I now live in

958
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: New York City. Have it traveled to Paris, London, Miami, Milan, Copenhagen, Tokyo,

959
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,240
Speaker 3: Hong Kong, stock Holm, all the other great places.

960
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 4: It's just a year in Sager's life.

961
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish, you know, except for New Mexico. I

962
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 3: don't know why New Mexico.

963
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: No New Mexico spot.

964
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: I wouldn't put out there with Saint John or Moscow,

965
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: Saint Petersburger, assmen.

966
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: That's just me, you know.

967
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 4: I don't think I put Rwanda there either.

968
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rwanda, right, okay.

969
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: But the last one, the next paragraph, I have met

970
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew, President Clinton, the Sultan of Brunei, who by

971
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: some accounts as the richest person in the world, Donald Trump,

972
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: Antonio Varglass, Naomi Campbell, Stephanie Seymour, Peter Brant, Kevin Spacey,

973
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: Chris Tucker, Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, brilliant scientists, lawyers and

974
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: business men. I have flown on the Concord, gone skydiving.

975
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: I have seen the private quarters of Buckingham Palace, sat

976
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: on the Queen of England's throne, rode on a racetrack

977
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: with Max Pepee, and I've learned countless skills. So that

978
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: is what you could find yourself at the center of

979
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: with Epstein. I mean, look, we got a lot more

980
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: questions than answers in my opinion. So what we really see,

981
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: I think from this is the acknowledgment of his degenerate

982
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: lifestyle from the entire elite that was around him. That

983
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: letter about all the people that his twenty two year

984
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: old girlfriend or what Isa was able.

985
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: To meet sit on the Queen's throne.

986
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: There's that famous photo of Gaalaine and Kevin Spacey sitting

987
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: on the throne right after having a private tour arranged

988
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 3: for them by Prince Andrews. Sas as she met Prince Andrew,

989
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: who says, oh, I never had anything to do with him.

990
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 3: Gallaine vociferously defended Prince Andrew in her sworn testimony and

991
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: the final one, which guys, we're going to add this

992
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 3: in post, but it is a letter from Elliott Wolk

993
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: and to me, it's actually the most one of the

994
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: most significant for the Intelligence ties. And it says, Jeffrey,

995
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: I remember in the mid nineteen seventies you being a

996
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: star salesman for our tax advantage strategies and hedged options program. Okay,

997
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 3: and what does he continue on? He says, I was

998
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 3: running an account. Bob Maxwell, you always had the ability

999
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: to know everyone and be charming. Was that when you

1000
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 3: first discovered the Maxwell teenage daughter dot dot dot dot dot.

1001
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Elliott Walk.

1002
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 3: Elliott Wolke, just so everyone knows, is a former bear

1003
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: Stearns executive. His work his letter was included after Ace Greenberg,

1004
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 3: the CEO legendary Wall Street CEO A Screenberg who hired

1005
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein after meeting him at the Dalton School and

1006
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: this direct look, I mean, it's not confirmation that that's

1007
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: when they met, but Gallaine's sworn testimony is that Epstein

1008
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: never met her father and they had no connection zero. Right,

1009
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: That's what she said to Todd Blant. It's under oath

1010
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: in her sworn testimony.

1011
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: Ye.

1012
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: Also she says that she met him, what is in

1013
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: the nineties, after she had some social fallout with her

1014
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: father and moved to New York. Well, here you have

1015
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: Elliott Wolke openly insinuating that he met Glane when she

1016
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: was a teenager.

1017
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 4: And Glaine put us in the book by Glane put

1018
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: this in the book.

1019
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: That's right, Glaine put this in the book and quote,

1020
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: I was running an account for Boga.

1021
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: This is one of the things I've been trying to

1022
00:48:59,360 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: hammer home.

1023
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: To be this is how he got involved with Maxwell

1024
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: Koshogi and all these other folks. By the way, we're

1025
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: openly acknowledging, at least in the Kashogi one of being

1026
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: in the orbit of the Epstein advisors and others, the

1027
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: Jay Epstein company. And if you put this together with

1028
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 3: that New York Times piece that we covered yesterday about

1029
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 3: the hundreds of millions of dollars some billions of dollars

1030
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: in transactions run through JP Morgan's, the state openly that

1031
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 3: they were acknowledging for human trafficking purposes.

1032
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: You could see why.

1033
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: Somebody with a vast financial network who knows the global

1034
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: financial elite is a convenient money manager, will be very

1035
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 3: useful to any global intelligence agency, Okay, and then also

1036
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: why that usefulness could potentially come in handy whenever you

1037
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: get caught up in a Palm Beach County affair in

1038
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven that goes federal and you get

1039
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 3: the sweetheart deal, the non prosecution agreement back in two

1040
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: thousand and seven. So I think that, I know is

1041
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: really gross, but I thought it was important that we

1042
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: go through. I didn't even include some of the most

1043
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: briskuts up there because I literally can't read it to you.

1044
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that's the tone of

1045
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 5: the book. I just really recommend that if you are

1046
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 5: interested in this case, you take the time to go

1047
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 5: through the book as most as you as most of

1048
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 5: you can, as as much of it as you can.

1049
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 5: It'll take an hour or two, but it gives you

1050
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 5: a sort of opportunity like a window into Epstein's life

1051
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 5: and social circle, and even just soaking in the tone

1052
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: of the book. As disgusting as it is, I mean,

1053
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 5: one of the things that Soccer didn't read is a

1054
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 5: letter from Johnny boy.

1055
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: Kafka, Oh, I know exactly what letter this says.

1056
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 4: He and it's.

1057
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: It's a way that I can't imagine talking to another

1058
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 5: human being this way, let alone putting it in writing

1059
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 5: and wanted it compile or asking for it to become

1060
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 5: into a leather bound book.

1061
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 4: And I'm just gonna do a little bit of it here.

1062
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 5: Fifty years old, you really have had a pretty amazing life,

1063
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 5: amazing because of where and when it started.

1064
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: Paula and Seymour effing.

1065
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 5: Of course, it says the real thing there, who was

1066
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 5: there to tell him where to stick?

1067
00:50:59,520 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: It?

1068
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 4: Keeps on going? Uses this sea word about Epstein's.

1069
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 5: Mother in a joke letter to Epstein on his fiftieth

1070
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 5: fiftieth birthday, making a joke about his mother's sea word.

1071
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 5: Who talks like that? And it is yeah, that's right,

1072
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 5: and it is over and over again. I mean, it

1073
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 5: goes in the even more.

1074
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 4: From that.

1075
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 5: But who talks like that to their friend, puts it

1076
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 5: in writing for a leatherbound scrap book on their fiftieth birthday.

1077
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just bizarre to see the juvenile the

1078
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 5: combination of juvenile things like happy barf Day, like it's

1079
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 5: a teenage yearbook, combined with the jokes about plundering women,

1080
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 5: the jokes about violence, naked pictures of Jeffrey Epstein, an

1081
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 5: entire chapter that's titled children.

1082
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: And sager this to me.

1083
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 5: So the Wall Street Journal reports sourcing originally of the

1084
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Speaker 5: Trump picture, which now there are handwriting analyzes going on.

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Speaker 5: The White House that said they would welcome a handwriting

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Speaker 5: analyzes because they're denying that is Donald Trump's signature. Trump

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Speaker 5: has said maybe someone else signed his name, said attributed

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00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 5: it to him. That poem has always seemed enormously creepy.

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Speaker 5: That poem also fits in perfectly with the tone of

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Speaker 5: this book, where you have people like Lord Peter Mandelson,

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Speaker 5: Leon Black, Glene Maxwell herself speaking cryptically in very odd,

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00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 5: sort of cheeky language about very dark stuff. And you've

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00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 5: gone through some of the examples, but this is also

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00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 5: just the entire book is infused.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I picked eighteen pages out of two hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty eight pes Okay, there's a million that I could

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Speaker 3: have picked that are these are just the most This

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00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 3: just to give everybody, like the biggest flavor in case

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Speaker 3: you don't have the time, Well, yeah, if you want

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Speaker 3: to go through it. It's really it's literally littered. The

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00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 3: piano thing. It's everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what is up with the piano.

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00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 5: Here's what I understood years ago after from a woman

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00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 5: Blaine came to Palm Beach Horse Show looking for what

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00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 5: I thought was a horse that she was on a

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00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 5: mission for a collection of breast photos, a compilation, of course,

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00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 5: for you. I came to say you some months later,

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00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 5: and you told me to take my top off with

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00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 5: the usual Epstein smile. You looked at my breasts and said, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I was right. And it just goes on and on.

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00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 5: And the only reason I brought that one up, Sager,

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00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 5: is because, to your point, this is just a handful

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00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 5: of examples from two hundred and thirty eight pages. The

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00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 5: tone of the entire book is not Happy birthday, Jeffrey.

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00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 5: Here is some fun memories that we had together. It's

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00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 5: happy birthday, Jeffrey. You love sex.

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00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 4: Love. There's a couple of pictures of animals having sex.

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00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 4: Did you see these?

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00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 5: Which is a lion mounting a female lioness who seems

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Speaker 5: to not want it. And this is a joke that's

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Speaker 5: the entire book.

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Speaker 3: Entire book, yeap, very important to note and look like

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Speaker 3: we said, we're going to continue to follow it, but

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00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: it is, you know, it's I always try to move

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Speaker 3: away from the stuff about oh, global pedophile, elite, etc.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm like, Okay, well I think there's a lot

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00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 3: of conspiracy around that, but we don't. The intelligence story

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Speaker 3: is the one that I'm the most focused on, because

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Speaker 3: that's what I think. God, But then you read this book, man,

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00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh man, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I kind of look at this and I just see

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00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: this open flavor. I mean, am I just lame?

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00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: Like when somebody at me to wish a friend happy birthday,

1134
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: go hey man, happy but love you.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 4: You said it. Love and kisses Leon.

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Speaker 1: Love you brother. Keep you know that's all you say.

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Speaker 3: I can't think of anything else, you know, congratulations on

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00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: having a kid or whatever like. That's that's the extent

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00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: to which my communications are with my friends. I have

1141
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: never seen any of this type of stuff before. It

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00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: is a window into the most depraved, degenerate type of behavior.

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Speaker 1: And yeah.

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Speaker 5: For putting this whole thing out there. It's because now

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00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 5: when you read the original wall Street Journal story where

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00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 5: the sourcing is unclear. It sounds like what they got

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00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 5: it from in the journal story is we know that

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00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 5: it was in the DJ records, So it sounds like

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00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 5: that original Journal story, which by the way, came out

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00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 5: I think the day before or after Murrien Komi left

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00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 5: that Department of Justice. But you know, we don't know

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00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 5: anything definitive in that space, but it sounds like it

1153
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 5: came from DOJ files and someone leaked it. Well, this

1154
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 5: came straight from the Epstein estate. So for Trump, he's

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00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 5: then going to have to contend either this was always

1156
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 5: a fake letter from Donald Trump or someone slipped it

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Speaker 5: into whatever the Epstein estate has to frame him, slipped

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00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: a fake letter in whatever the Epstein Estate has to

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Speaker 5: frame him. So that's the argument he now has to confront,

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Speaker 5: which is not an easy argument to make.

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Speaker 4: But also Soccer, I just think.

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Speaker 5: It the Wall Street Journal. I don't want to second

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Speaker 5: guess them Monday Morning quarterback necessarily, but I kind of

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00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 5: do actually want to second guess them.

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Speaker 4: With the picture itself, that story would have been.

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Speaker 1: They should have released the picture.

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Speaker 3: My only theory on why they didn't is that their

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Speaker 3: source said that you can't do it.

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Speaker 4: That's or they didn't see it, or they have it.

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Speaker 3: So there's there's a couple. There's a couple of ways

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: that this stuff kind of happens. Just so people know.

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Speaker 3: One of the things is sometimes people don't want to

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00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: leak you a direct document. The reason why is that

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00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 3: it's like that Reality winner. Remember, so there's metadata. Sometimes

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00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 3: these scans have identifying images, so they'll say, Okay, I'll

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Speaker 3: describe it to you, but I won't actually give you

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Speaker 3: the image, or I'll give you the image, but you

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00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: can't print it. So my only theory for why they

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00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: could not have released it is only because their source told.

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Speaker 1: Them not to do. There's a lot of questions of

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Speaker 1: whether it came to the GoJ.

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Speaker 3: I kind of think it came from Gallaine Maxwell because

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Speaker 3: a lot of this not only was part of the

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00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: Epstein estate, but people will know that some of the

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Speaker 3: photos from the book were part of the Gallaine Maxwell trial,

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Speaker 3: which means it could have been attached as an exhibit

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Speaker 3: and were made available in discovery to the Gallaine Maxwell team,

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Speaker 3: who of course could easily or trying to leak and

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Speaker 3: send you know, shots across the bow at the Trump administry,

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Speaker 3: which you know, means that they might get their sweetheart

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00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: transfer to a nice little facility. So it couldn't come

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Speaker 3: from a lot of different places. But now it's out there,

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00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: and it's out there, and I think the people, all

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00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: the people in the book should have to answer. You know,

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00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 3: some of them, a lot of them are just so filthy,

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00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: rich and old at this point. They're like buried behind

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Speaker 3: their walls in Palm Beach. They won't answer any questions.

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Speaker 3: They've just you know, like Les Wexner and others, they've

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Speaker 3: erected walls, or they don't do any public interviews.

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: They've issued one statement five years ago. They refer back

1202
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: to it, but it shouldn't go away.

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Speaker 5: But there are dozens of names in this book. There

1204
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 5: are so many pictures, there's so many more biographical details

1205
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 5: about the earliers of Jeffrey Epstein's life and the middle

1206
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 5: years of Jeffrey Epstein's life that it's a great example

1207
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 5: of why releasing the files with redactions appropriate redactions. We

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Speaker 5: don't know whether these redactions you know, are too far

1209
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 5: or whatever, but appropriate redactions opens the story up and

1210
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 5: there are going to be so many threads that are

1211
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Speaker 5: pulled at just over the next few days, over the

1212
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 5: next few years, about trying to piece together that will

1213
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 5: help us get closer to the truth. So it's a

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Speaker 5: good thing that we have access to this agreed sadly.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll continue to monitor and we'll keep you

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Speaker 3: guys updated