1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Football is about the jimmies and joes and exes and 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: oh's check New York twenty. Ain't bank you, Bruce. It's 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: time to get out the chopboard and diagram some plays. 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Here's what all starts, right, Here's what jam money, Chris. 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: This is Inside Football with former Colts and NFL coach 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: Rick Venturi. Welcome everybody to the second training camp installment 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: of Inside Football with Rick then Urry. I'm Matt Taylor 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: with Rick, who has twenty seven years of coaching background 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: of the National Football League. We're taping this on Tuesday 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: of this week. That's an off day for the Colts 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: at training camp, which is presented by Cours In Fire 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: and Security. The Colts will get back on the practice 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: field tomorrow. That's Wednesday and Thursday of this week ahead 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: of their first preseason game on Saturday afternoon in Buffalo. Rick, 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: good be with you again, my men. And as we 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: said leading into that first preseason game against the Bills, 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: you're going to be in the TV booth for that game. 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: You're leaving me for the dark side, more eyeballs on TV. 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: I understand, rightfully. So this is a tough one, though. Man, 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: Gotta bring my sport Coade and time, gotta shave, gotta 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: have my hair cut. I mean, those are tough issues 22 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: for me at this stage in my life. I like 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: coming out there and just getting in that radio booth. 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: But I'm looking forward to, you know, to working with 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: Greg here for three three weeks and then jumping back 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: into the booth with you. Yeah, right where you belong 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: on the radio side of things, man, where you've got 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: all the time in the world to break it down. 29 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: That's what we're doing here today audio wise on Inside Football. 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: So let's begin with a little bit of a progress report. Rick. 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: We're about two weeks into camp, heading into that game 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: on Saturday. Pretend you're the head coach. Are the cults 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: where you want them to be, where you think they 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: need to be at this stage in camp? Well, you know, 35 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty interesting. I would say that I and 36 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: I give more credibility Matt to the padded practices than 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: anything else that I can evaluate now, and we won't 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: know and you know this, You've done this for a 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: long time now. We won't know how good this team 40 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: is until September eleventh. We'll get we'll get indicators, but 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: we won't know till we really play a game for real. 42 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: What I have seen at this point in the four 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: padded practices is that the defense has dominated those practices. Now, 44 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: that can be good. It's hard to evaluate exactly what 45 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: that means. I do think that our defense is vastly improved. 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: It's very fast, you know, bringing in in in goat 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: Way and a guild more, getting blackmen back. I mean, 48 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: those things have added tremendous you know, tremendous optimism for 49 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: us on defense, and you see it on the field, 50 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, and it's probably I always fought this as 51 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: a defensive coach, is probably a little bit easier to 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: get your defense advanced quicker, you know, you know, with 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: our defensive staff. But to me, you know, our defense 54 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: has played on a on a higher level in pads 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: than our offense. Now from an offensive standpoint, I think 56 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: one thing that is misleading on what I just said 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: is that, you know, basically, you tend to you know, 58 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: focus on, uh, you know, the spectacular plays, the wild 59 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: plays which you know, come or don't come. In the 60 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: passing game, everybody evaluates how many times a guy got 61 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: to the quarterback, what the percentage is, and they kind 62 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: of lose sight of the fact that I think Jonathan 63 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: Taylor's made a ton of yards. I think He's made 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: a ton of yards, which you know, so has Hinz, 65 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, Lindsay has as well, you know, I mean, 66 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, and Jackson. I mean, all those guys to 67 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: me have made the running game look pretty good. And 68 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it says noticeable in a practice session, 69 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, as it will be in the games. I 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: think where the defense has dominated us though dominated our 71 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: offenses in the passing game, I don't think that, you know, 72 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I think I see a lot of talent at receiver, 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: and I'm optimistic about that talent either staying healthy or developing. 74 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, basically, our secondary and 75 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: linebackers have dominated basically day after day in the passing game. 76 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: And I don't think that our receiver corps has established 77 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: themselves at this point, you know, as you know, as 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: dominating players. I mean, they've been, you know, they've had 79 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: flashes of brilliance, but not the consistency day after day, 80 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: and of course that's critical. I think the talent is there, 81 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: but that's going to be critical. On September eleventh, I mean, 82 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: the two things that we have to do we have 83 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: to improve on is obviously protection and obviously you know, 84 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: basically receiver impact. The running game will be there, Matt 85 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: Ryan will be there. Those things I do not worry about, 86 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: but those other things have to be there. At this point, 87 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: I would say that the defense has the edge in 88 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: that regard. I would completely agree. I mean, we saw 89 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: that on Monday's practice. Towards the end it was hard 90 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: for the offense to move the ball against the defense 91 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: in a two minute drill, a four minute drill simulated 92 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: there at the end of a half or the end 93 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: of a game, you know, Frank Reich announced I think 94 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: it was over the weekend that that generally speaking that 95 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: the starters will play roughly a quarter in Buffalo, but 96 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: even that it's it's based more on the number of 97 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: snaps and the number of series than it is just 98 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: hardened fast. One quarter probably not play at all in 99 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: the Detroit game, that because you have those two joint 100 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: practices earlier that week with the Lions, and then play 101 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: a little bit more in that final game against the Bucks. 102 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: To a degree, how much do you think that the guys, 103 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: those frontline players need to play in order to as 104 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: you always say be combat ready before the regular season. 105 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: I know Frank saying what he said over the weekend, 106 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: it's probably a positive thing in your mind. Yeah, you're 107 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: you're preaching to the choir here, you know, I am. 108 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: You know. We talked last week in the podcast about 109 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: about practicing at noon, you know, and I said, how 110 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: much I like that, basically simulating heat, sunshine for Jacksonville 111 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: and the body clock. Practicing at the time that you're 112 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: going to play the majority of your games. Okay, why 113 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: are you doing that. You're doing that to simulate game conditions. Okay. 114 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: Now to me, the contact phase of it is an 115 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: extension of that. I think our practices in contact have 116 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: been really good. They've been aggressive, they've been smart. I 117 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: think Frank has instituted something that I haven't seen and 118 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: really like is when the young kids get in against 119 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: one another, they actually scrimmage, they actually go live. It's 120 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: actually a live drill. So you know, those that were 121 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: evaluating those guys, the new kids basically in live combat 122 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: situations that you don't get. I think that's an interesting thing. 123 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: But I do think and I actually but with Frank 124 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: and I talked a little bit on Sunday at practice, 125 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, after he had announced this is I told 126 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: him how much I liked it. I mean, I just 127 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: feel like that again, you simulate all other things, you 128 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: have to simulate the contact part of it, and you 129 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: cannot play score, You cannot play scared. Frank Kush told 130 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: me years ago in nineteen eighty two, and nobody had 131 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: more contact and less injuries than he did. Is a 132 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: team will come to whatever level you demand. If you 133 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: demand that kind of contact, kind of daily or knowing 134 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: you're going to get it in games, you're going to 135 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: go out and get it. And I just don't believe 136 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: that you protect guys in August if you do that. 137 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: I think what happens is it's at the expense of 138 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot of injuries in September in which we've had. 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: And I think it's also good in that Frank is 140 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: sending a message to everyone that these are things we're 141 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: gonna do. We cannot afford the slow starts that his 142 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: teams have had, you know, the eighth straight openers that 143 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: this team has had. We just can't. We cannot afford that. 144 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,559 Speaker 1: And this team has to be ready and we can't 145 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: have a slip up at Houston or Jacksonville, you know, 146 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: because we're not ready. If we if we weren't good enough, 147 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: it'd be different. And so you know, I look for 148 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: certainly a quarter in this first game. I don't know 149 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: if I agree totally on the Detroit scenario, but I 150 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: understand it. The practices will be super aggressive, and you know, 151 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: in that regard, I can, you know, I can, I can. 152 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: I can tolerate it, I guess, but I would come 153 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: back and I would play a quarter and a half 154 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: and a half in that last one because you have 155 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: two full weeks between you know, the last preseason game 156 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: in the opener, which I'd never had that we always 157 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: had to open the following Sunday, and you were also 158 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: any plus you had four games. So you know, I'm 159 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: glad that he's thinking that on both edges of the 160 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: three game schedule, that he is going to play his 161 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: veterans and play them and get them ready, because I 162 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: just I just believe it, Matt. You know, I sound 163 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: like a broken record and I'm not a dinosaur. I 164 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: kind of like the way practices are structured today. I 165 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: like the gaps I liked like today, you know, as 166 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: an open day, they can get caught up on all 167 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: the tape and things like that. You know, I like 168 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: that stuff. I never believe that six weeks of two days, 169 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, was the answer. I always felt like after 170 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: a while we were just sawing the sawdust. And so yeah, 171 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm very high. I think he's set in the right 172 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: tone here, and he's set in the right message. And again, 173 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: don't play scared. Just go out and get it and 174 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: get ready to win that opener. Yeah, new year, new layers, 175 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: knew it. Coaches on both sides of the ball. Let's 176 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: let's pick up there. Because the Colts have a new 177 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: defensive staff, Gus Bradley, Ron Milas, Mike Mitchell's here, Nate 178 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: Ali on the defensive line, Richard Smith, and then John 179 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: Fox is kind of a big picture guy, as you 180 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: talked about last week. From what you can gather so far, 181 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: how are those new coaches on the defensive side of 182 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: the ball, How are they helping to get the best 183 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: out of the players in a new scheme so far 184 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: in this camp. Well, one of the reasons I think 185 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: that the defense again looks as sharp as it does 186 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: does have to do with obviously the staff. And I 187 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: said this all along. When you bring in a guy 188 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: of Gus Bradley's quality. You're gonna go forward. You're gonna 189 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: go forward emotionally, schematically. He brings kind of that it 190 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: to the program. Anybody that's around him, you like him, 191 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: you rally for him. He is a charismatic figure, as 192 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: I said last week, in kind of a rugged kind 193 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: of way. But I think the other thing they had 194 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: going map and I knew this is bringing in Milas 195 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: and Richard Smith with him, and then bringing in John 196 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: Fox as an experienced with a wealth of knowledge and 197 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: different systems. There was no learning career, there was no 198 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: assembling a defense. The defensive system is there, it's in place. 199 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: They've been through two different programs with it, and you know, 200 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: different first year programs, so they were ready on day one. 201 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: It's a matter of getting it across to the players. 202 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: You know, I think you have a great combination. You know, 203 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: in Milas, you probably have deep premier second to dairy 204 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: coach in the National Football League at this point in 205 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: time to you know, test it and true. Richard Smith 206 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: has been coaching linebackers since Mickey Manno was playing center 207 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: field for the Yankees. I mean he's great experience. And 208 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: John Fox has done it all as a coordinator, head 209 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: football coach, very very successful career, kind of under the radar. 210 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: But you put that experience together, here's what you get. 211 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: First of all, you get instant credibility. When those guys 212 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: walked in, there was no you know, I know that 213 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: those veterans bought in immediately because of the presence. You know, 214 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: there's instant adjustments out of those guys. You know, those 215 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: guys as something comes up that they haven't seen, they 216 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: have so many decades of experience they can say, hey, listen, 217 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened in two thousand and three at Denver. 218 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Remember what we did. There's no there's not a lot 219 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: of I have to go google it and figure it out. 220 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: And then all of those guys are guys who grew 221 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: up with things that I like, and I call it 222 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: coaching on the grass. So many guys today are ex players, 223 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: which is good, but there's a learning curve as far 224 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: as teaching. And then a lot of the young kids 225 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: that come up, come through the computer field, come through 226 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: the almost the choice stick maddened type of game as 227 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: you go, and there's a learning curve. Now the young guys, 228 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: I like what they bring I mean Ali brings a 229 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: real enthusiasm, you know, take your seat belts off and go, 230 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, Mitchell, Mitchell and June bring you know, just 231 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: kind of a hunger and enthusiasm and the ability to 232 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: communicate with young players. So I mean, I think it's 233 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: a tremendous blend. I think you've seen the results are ready. 234 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: Hopefully it continues as the season goes on. But again, 235 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: I think those things combined really really make me feel 236 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: good when I when I leave a practice, you know, 237 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: I feel like this defense is really well coached. All right, 238 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: that is the coaching staff. Let's talk about the new 239 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: addition player wise on the defense sort of those new 240 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: kids on the block. They all look to be having 241 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: terrific camps so far in their own rights. To find 242 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Gilmore unique, Engckway, Brandon Facon. I want to start with Gilmore, 243 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: and he looks so in control, just so chill out there, 244 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: as the kids say. Right, He's never he's never panicked, 245 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: just so poised. I mean, Ricky, he picked off Matt 246 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: Ryan the other day in practiced during a seven on 247 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: seven drill. We all heard about that. Frank talked about that, 248 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan talked about that. That iron versus iron or 249 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: iron sharpening iron this time of year. How you know, 250 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: blessed the Colts offense is to go up against the 251 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: guy likes to find Gilmore every single day in practice 252 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: to make them better in the passing game. Is it 253 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: crazy to talk about Gilmore playing at the level he 254 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: did a couple of years ago in twenty nineteen, A 255 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: guy that looks healthy, which hasn't been the case in 256 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: the last two years due to a quadriceps injury. Yeah, 257 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: that's really amazing. One of the things Frank said to 258 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: me on on Sunday when we were just chatting, He goes, 259 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: Gilmore's your type of corner, and I went, amen, he 260 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: really is. I think in fairness he's everybody's type of corner. Everybody. 261 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: He's everybody's corner exactly. Um. You know the interesting thing is, 262 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, when we were when we were getting ready 263 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: to um, you know, to sign him U, I went 264 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: back and looked at last year's take because you know, 265 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: I had watched him at New England over the years 266 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: in game plan studies, and there was no finer corner. 267 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you want a modern day shutdown corner 268 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: in two nineteen, that was Gilmore, I mean Gilmore, and 269 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: this is one of the best compliments I can give him. 270 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he changed Bill Belichick's whole view and whole 271 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: approach to defense. Bill was always a zone mixed man, 272 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: but a zone more than anything, various zones, nuance zones. 273 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: But when he got Gilmore, he became a hard, pressing 274 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: man to man in their defense just jumped substantially. And 275 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: remember Gilmore was the match corner. He matched the number 276 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: one guy in the league every single week and shut 277 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: him down and because of it, unheard of becomes Defensive 278 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: Player of the Year as a corner. That's I mean, 279 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: you got to go back to the Dion Sanders and 280 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: way back, you know, to the mel Blunts and guys 281 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: like that to see that kind of impact. When I 282 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: watched him last year, I saw a very good player. 283 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't see the two nineteen maybe shutdown guy, 284 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: but I saw a guy that it would improve us 285 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: immensely even if he just played at that level. When 286 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: I watched him in minicamp, I thought, you know, it 287 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: just doesn't quite look ready. He looks good, but not 288 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: quite ready physically. But I'm telling you, since I've since that, 289 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: since I've been to Grant Park. I mean, he really 290 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: has been terrific. I mean, he is smooth, smart, he 291 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: still has that great talent ball skills laden it down, 292 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: which you can't coach. And I mean, just what an addition, 293 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: just the presence, just think of Alex Pierce. I just 294 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, what you hope is that Alex realizes that 295 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: once he gets in the real world, they ain't gonna 296 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: be Gilmore there every day. I mean every day you 297 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: line up as a rookie and there Stefan Gilmore sitting 298 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: across from you. You want to talk about learning under fire, 299 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, I think that he 300 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: just brings again the two areas of football. You know, 301 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: we go back and I always bring it up because 302 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to walk away from it. And we 303 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: have to improve. We were twenty ninth in the league 304 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter on defense and the two reasons 305 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: we could not generate an edge rush and we couldn't 306 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: play clamp down coverages when we have to. Well, when 307 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: you get a guy like Gilmore and you team in 308 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: with Kenny Moore and I think one of the keys 309 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: will get into this later depending on what happens is 310 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: the third corner. I mean, we're gonna be able to 311 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: play a lot more clamp down and Ron Mileas coaches 312 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: the hell out of the press. It's it's gonna be 313 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: better just on technique this year, trust me, no matter 314 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: who plays. But Gilmore brings that veteran presence of greatness, 315 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: you know. And I, like I said, since I've been 316 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: in Grand Park, I see him a lot closer to 317 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: two nineteen than to two twenty one, you know, And 318 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, and I say that with all due respects, 319 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: because that is a that's a that's a guy. Really, 320 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: that's a star waiting to break out again. Well, the 321 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: other part of getting better in the fourth quarter, it's 322 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: being better in the secondary. It's also getting more pressure. 323 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: That's unique in Gockway. What are your expectations for him 324 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: this season? Is he a ten plus SAT guy and 325 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: change the game like he's done in the past. The 326 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: cult saw all those years with him in Jacksonville. Last 327 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: year with the Raiders is unique in Gockway. Poise for 328 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: another breakout season under Gus Bradley here. I think he 329 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: really is, you know, and I think you know the 330 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, they always say that the best indicator of 331 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: the future is what you've done in the past, and 332 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: he's he's just he's I mean, he's got fifty five 333 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: and a half socks. I mean he's he's a ten 334 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: year guy. When you when you go out on the field, 335 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: you say, that guy right there, ninety one, he's going 336 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: to give you ten sacks minimum this year. I mean, 337 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: just in my mind, in my in my world, the 338 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: way I look at it, I mean, that's a ten 339 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: sack guy. And then maybe better because in what he brings. 340 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: And we haven't really had this. I think we have 341 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: guys that may grow into it, but we haven't had 342 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: this since math is you know, much less freey before that, 343 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: we haven't had that guy that can run the edge, 344 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: run the blind side. You know, I always call it, 345 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: run the hula hoop, run it up, run it back 346 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: down with speed, with tremendous burst. And to me, that 347 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: coming off of that edge makes everybody else better. Number one, 348 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: it'll make Quitty pay better. Quitty now can play you 349 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: know what I kind of refer to as the power end. 350 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: They call it the left end, but the power end. 351 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: He's a guy that will line up on the left, 352 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: not always because they'll move in gawk way around for 353 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: the matchup. But he will be the power guy, and 354 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of his game right now. It may be 355 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: his game for a long time. He can start up 356 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: the edge, but he looks best when he starts up fast. 357 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: This is quiddy and comes down hard right down the 358 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: middle of a tackle, and right tackles are vulnerable to 359 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: that move. And so what you have is you have 360 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: an angoqui, a guy that can speed rush the edge 361 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: legitimate which we haven't had. You have a speed to 362 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: power guy. And then if you're worried about your ends, 363 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: you know you have one of the top three techniques 364 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: into league in Buckner, and hopefully that takes an edge guy, 365 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: takes a little stress off buttoner, you know, and gets 366 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: him into that tax. You know that ten sack rings, 367 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: I mean he had he had nine two years ago 368 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: here and you know, without a ton of help, and 369 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: then went back to seven last year because it diminished. 370 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: And then whoever the third guy is. You know, when 371 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: you get into the nickel situations, whether it's Dio, you know, 372 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: a Dingbo or you know, if Lewis can make that, 373 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: you know that thrust back in that that becomes like 374 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: the fourth rusher inside I guarantee you that guy will 375 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: be one on one all day. There will be no 376 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: help on him the whole season. And you know those 377 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: are the kinds of things in GOWKWOI gives you that 378 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 1: domino effect. The other thing that's really cool about him. 379 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize this on him. I should have, 380 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: I guess by watching the tape. But you never know 381 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: a guy till you really have him in your you know, 382 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: every day great motor. I mean, the guy just goes 383 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: sideline to sideline all day every day. I mean it's 384 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: it's it's really fun to watch. I mean, you take 385 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: a playoff on him, he's gone. All right. Then that 386 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: third guy that we talked about, sort of that new 387 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: kid on the block on defense, Brandon Facon. He's been 388 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: running a ton with the first team offense. It looks 389 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: like he has the leg up as far as that 390 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: third corner spot is concerned. In Nickel packages, Where's Isaiah 391 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: Rodgers in that competition? For you? Right now? Rick, Well, 392 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: I probably should recuse myself, as they say in the 393 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: legal world, because I'm you know, I'm pretty much an 394 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: unabashed Rogers fan. I think Rogers has skills that you 395 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: can't teach. The speed is the speed is on paper. 396 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean he can flat fly. He's in the four threes. 397 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: He has great late ball skills. He can come out 398 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: of the blind spot and find the ball, probably as 399 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: well as anybody on our team, maybe with the exception 400 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: of Gilmore. I mean he you know, you'll see it 401 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: flash almost every practice. He'll make a great pick. He 402 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: is not accomplished at the line of scrimmage and not 403 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: the biggest guy in the world, so his issue is 404 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: getting better at press coverage, you know, getting better job 405 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: of you know, handling guys at the line of scrimmage 406 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: so he doesn't have to play from recovery. He never 407 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: seems to. It seems like a coaching staff the last 408 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: one and even this one, and this is just an 409 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: observation by me. It's they're slow to warm up to 410 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: him for some reason. But then once he gets his 411 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: opportunity to play, after about two games, everybody starts saying, boy, 412 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: that guy's really got it. You know. Face On is 413 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 1: a guy who has played for Gus and Ron in 414 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: the system. They're very comfortable with him right now because 415 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: he knows exactly what they want. You know, he basically 416 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: is in their system. I think he's got the edge 417 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: early because you know, and a lot of the coaches 418 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: are all the same. You know, we all we all 419 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: have some comfort zone players that we feel confident are 420 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: going to be in the right place all the time. 421 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: And face On has had a good training camp. You know, 422 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: he had a really good break up last night. I mean, 423 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy. It's gonna be interesting. Uh, 424 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: he may end up you know, starting the season. But 425 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: never never, never count Rogers out because I again, I 426 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: think he has superior skills and once they play him 427 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: in games, he will grow on them. All. Right, One 428 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: final one on defense. You know, let's talk about a 429 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: guy that that we haven't seen just yet. That's Shaquille Leonard. 430 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: Still on, Yeah, still on pup. We probably will not 431 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: see him, you know on the preseason game field. I'm 432 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: not sure what the timeline is. In fact, there is 433 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: no timeline, so unsure if we're going to see him 434 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: on the practice field at Graham Park before the regular season. 435 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: He missed a lot of time in the OTA's miss 436 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: time in the mini camp. The Colts feel good about, 437 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, finally targeting the issue that has caused his 438 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: pain in terms of the ankle and the lower leg. 439 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: What is your confidence level though? In Leonard Win healthy 440 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: with really no time on task in a new defense. 441 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: If it comes to that point, just kind of grip 442 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: it and go in a new scheme. Playing in that 443 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: scheme for the first time in a regular season game. Yeah, 444 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not ideal. There isn't any question about it. 445 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean we talked earlier about you get good at 446 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: football by playing football, and you know, the more time 447 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: that you miss, there's no question about it, it'll put 448 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: a stress on you coming back. It does look like 449 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: it's going to be a while. So I mean, I 450 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: think we all and kind of knowing that ahead of 451 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: time is probably best for the club because you know, 452 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: the Franklin's got to know, Speed's got to know. Those 453 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: guys got to you know, they step they bet to 454 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: step up. And Franklin has had a really good camp anyway. 455 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: But you know, now in terms of you know, when 456 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: he gets back, I do think there are some things 457 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: in his favor. Okay, number one in his position in 458 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: this defense. Now, this defense has is similar to the 459 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: one we played before, which with much different technique involved 460 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 1: and much more nuanced underneath in the past coverage, but 461 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: in his case at what I call the will linebacker 462 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: the runner. Okay, there is a lot of similarity. So 463 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of things with his experience that 464 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: will be pretty easy for him to grasp. I think, 465 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he's going to have a 466 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: big learning curve within the defense because of a lot 467 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: of the positions. His is probably more constant in terms 468 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: of carryover. The second thing is is he is You've 469 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: heard me say this. He is a very unique guy. 470 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: I you know, Leonard is a guy that you know, 471 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: I always kind of call him a wildcard. He's a 472 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: wildcard linebacker, but he's a wild card in that, you know, 473 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: he is a guy and I like to quote Liam 474 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: Nielsen from taking you know, he has a particular set 475 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: of skills. You know, he has the ability just at 476 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: the right time in the game, at the biggest moment, 477 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: to make a play. He may not have been playing 478 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: well the whole game, but he has a way when 479 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: it's on the line of just getting that ball out. 480 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. He's the best ball 481 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: stripper I've ever seen. And he'll pass up a tackle 482 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: now sometime to get it. He's kind of like that 483 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: poacher on the farm. He just poaches. He's just like 484 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: he waits to steal your chickens and then he goes 485 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: and gets them. But you know, it's it's so I 486 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: think in that respect, he isn't you know. He's not 487 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: a classic linebacker. He's not a classic masher. He's a 488 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: you know, he's a running hit guys, you know, really 489 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: good on coverage, really you know, but but just instinctive. So, 490 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think once he's healthy, you know, I 491 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: think he'd make it back pretty quick. But I think 492 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: the other thing, I think it's good that we have 493 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: to address it. You can't keep putting him out there 494 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: on one leg. I mean, you know, because again you 495 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: just you're not gonna get that guy. It's gonna only 496 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: fall off. It's now, it's not gonna come back, and 497 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get how good he is. And we 498 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: have a couple of guys that can play. You know, 499 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: we may not and we talked about this last year. 500 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: We could be a better defense than not have as 501 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: many turnovers, I mean, because he is the turnover machine. 502 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think once he's fully healthy, that would 503 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: make so much difference to him, and I think, I 504 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: think in terms of his learning curve, it would be quick. 505 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: All right, one final one. We've been focusing primarily on defense. 506 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk about offense. One guy on that 507 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: side of the ball before we end. Who's really having 508 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: a great camp Andrew Ogletree from the tight end position, 509 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's he's got a great story. He's only 510 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: been a tight end for about a year, a one 511 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: year at college in Youngstown, State after he transferred from 512 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: a D two school in Finlay, Ohio, and Frank Reich 513 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: said he's looked natural, jumped right in. Is he a 514 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: sleeper to get more playing time and contribute more than 515 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: we initially thought? Or I guess In other words, Rick, 516 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: where is he right now in relation to Gilani Woods, 517 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: who the Colts picked up in the third round. No, 518 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, I think in a sense, 519 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: in a sense, I think sleeper is a good term, 520 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: you know, because so much was made you know about 521 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: Gilanni and so forth and so on for good reasons. 522 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: And Gelanni is playing better than people think. He just 523 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: has not been the primary receiver on a lot of plays. 524 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: I thought Sunday he had some outstanding bocks on the edge, 525 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, which nobody's going to talk about. But a 526 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: geek like me, And so I mean, there isn't I 527 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: don't think it has to be a disparaging note that 528 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: I think Ogletree is probably ahead of him. In my eyes, 529 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: Ogletree is really an interesting guy, you know, at six 530 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: six two sixty. But you know when he puts it's 531 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: interesting when and guys are like this. I mean when 532 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: we had Eric Dickerson. When Dickerson was in street clothes, 533 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: he looked like he was right off this you know, 534 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: he was right off of Rodeo Drive and a normal 535 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: guy in Los Angeles. But the minute he puts his path, 536 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: he put his pats on, he got huge, you know. 537 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, it's hard for me to 538 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: describe this, but to me, in my eyes, when you 539 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: look at Ogletree in paths versus Gilanni, and there's really 540 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: not a difference. But I mean, what's his ogle Tree 541 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: just looks so much more massive in his past exactly. 542 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he looks so much bigger, but he carries 543 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: himself with great body control. You know. The catch he 544 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: made um wasn't Friday or Sunday to one hand catch 545 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: in the red zone was tremendous. He's really really productive. 546 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. He really has his body control. 547 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean he can for a big, tall guy, you know, 548 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: he can move in and out. I mean, you know, 549 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: he was a really good basketball player, um in high school. 550 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: Uh you know, I mean and again and again. You know, 551 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: I went, I did do one thing. I will tell 552 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: you one thing. And I hadn't watched it before, but 553 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: after we drafted Ogle Tree, I did go back and 554 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: watched the Hula Ball where he was the MVP. And 555 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if our guys weren't even coaching in 556 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: that game, but anyway, he made a couple terrific adjustment 557 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: catches balls that were thrown behind and outside. And I 558 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: was really impressed with that All Star game. And man, 559 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: if he hasn't carried that right into the right into 560 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: the hunt, it's just it's amazing to look at that 561 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: tight end room. With the exception of Granson, I mean, 562 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: that looks like NBA power forward. We're getting ready for 563 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: the skills. Indeed, you know, and and and Ali has 564 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: Ali Cox has been sharp too. I mean, but yeah, 565 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: Ogul Tree really in some respects of the rookies. He 566 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: and Cross really has stood out. All right, let's fast 567 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: forward a Saturday, first game in Buffalo again, put your 568 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: coach's hat back on. What is going to make this 569 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: first preseason game against the Bills a success? What do 570 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: you want to see in terms of progress for the 571 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: team at this point in camp coming up on Saturday. Yeah, 572 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, you and I have been 573 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: through a lot of these openers and it never really 574 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: changes in my mind. And I'm so glad that you 575 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: know he's going to play the top guys for a 576 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: few series, because I think you have a kind of 577 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: a double edged sword. You have kind of two goals 578 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: in the any opener actually in the preseason period. But 579 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: what the first goal is when your top guys, when 580 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: your ones are in on defense and your ones are 581 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: in on offense. To me, you want to win it. 582 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't win it at the expense of 583 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: a game plan or you know, doing those kinds of things, 584 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: but you want to execute. You want to go out there. 585 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: These guys have gotten all the high quality reps. These 586 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: are the guys who were counting on September eleventh. I 587 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: want them to go out and play well, and play 588 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: as a unit and show us what we can expect. 589 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: You know, again, it won't be it'll still be a snapshot. 590 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: But I've always felt and I've always coached my guys 591 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: that when those ones come off, I want you to 592 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: have won that contest. I really do. I want you 593 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: to have won it. I want you to show us 594 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: that this is a legit contender. And you know, we're 595 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: playing against the high flying Bullet Bills, and you know, 596 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: the last time we played them in the opener, they 597 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: played their guys early. And you know, although I think 598 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: we're their worst nightmare in terms of opponent, but it's 599 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: a really good test to get started with right off 600 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: the bat. And then I think the second goal in 601 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: the game is all your young guys and new guys. 602 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: What you want to do is you want them to 603 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: flash talent. You don't expect the execution to be perfect. 604 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: There's gonna be mistakes. But each and every guy that 605 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: we've brought in here, you know, one through ninety is 606 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: here because Chris Ballard and the coaching staff saw something 607 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: in them and saw the ability to bring them here, 608 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: or they wouldn't be here. And you know, they all 609 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: have good metrics. So what I want to see from 610 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: the young guys, just show us what you got and 611 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: we don't expect you to be perfect, but show us 612 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: that skill level, that talent, you know, make a play, 613 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, and get that done. And then and then 614 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: I guess in the um you know, I think in 615 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: the overall picture, you want to come out there more 616 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: combat ready, as we talked about already, that's obviously an objective. 617 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: And then I think to what you really do as 618 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: you you begin as a coaching staff, to establish the 619 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: baselines on your team. Where are we Where are we 620 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: really you know, what do we have to address? You know? 621 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: What looks pretty good? What we're do? You know, maybe 622 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: we got a problem. It'll come up that we have 623 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: to fix quickly, all right. Colts and Bills, Saturday, four 624 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: o'clock in Buffalo, preseason game number one. Coverage on the 625 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: radio side of things begins at one o'clock Eastern Time 626 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: on the home of the Colts ninety three five and 627 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: one oh seven five the Fan and also in Indianapolis 628 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: ninety seven one Hank FM with the Colts pre game huddle, 629 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: and then at three o'clock it's countdown a kickoff four 630 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: o'clock kickoff, and Rick, you realize, I mean, we're two 631 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: weeks into this doing inside football. We're gonna blink. Training camp, 632 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be over. It's gonna be like a dot 633 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: in the window, and it's gonna be like week five 634 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: before we know it. Like that, That's how this always works. 635 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: I've always said that, you know, I've always said that 636 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: it is once that opening day of training camp happens. Man, 637 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: you're on it. Sherry has a sign, you know. It's 638 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: it's funny. She had a sign from our early days 639 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: in our marriage, and it's a sign that says, we 640 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: interrupt this marriage for football season. I mean, in the 641 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: ventory can borrow that I need to borrow that. There's 642 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: no death, there's no marriages, there's no children born. Nothing 643 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: happens from the beginning of training camp until the playoffs. Well, 644 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: it makes the other seven months pretty jam packed. Two 645 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: in their own run. Well, nowadays, you know the NFL, 646 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: there is no offseason. I mean the draft, as you know, 647 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: we do it together. The draft has become a season 648 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: to itself. Free agency. You go right from the draft 649 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: in the mini camps. I mean, one of the reasons 650 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: that all the startup leagues, you know, can't get a 651 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: goal and can't get a handle. As they think they're 652 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: playing in the off season. There is no offseason, right, Yeah, 653 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: they're playing in March. I'm here to tell you March 654 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: is like the third busiest month of the year for 655 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: the NFL in terms of free agency and all that's 656 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: going on, especially this past year with all these trades. 657 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, you're exactly right, all right, Rick, Hey, have 658 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: a great call on TV on Saturday, and we'll see 659 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: you back here on the audio side of things next 660 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: week when we do the podcast again. All right, see 661 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: on the playing partner. You got Rick Ventury right there. 662 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: And as always for the latest on the Colts, checkout 663 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: Colts dot com, the mobile app, and subscribe to everything 664 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: on the Colts on the Colts Audio Network all year 665 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,959 Speaker 1: long for podcasts, radio shows, and player interviews. We've got 666 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: you covered for Rick Ventury. I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks for 667 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: listening to insighte Football here on the Colts Audio Network.