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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens the official bank of the New

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Speaker 2: York Football Giants, John Smog Polditino at the NFL Combine

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Speaker 2: in Indianapolis, are joined by former NFL general manager now

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Speaker 2: the front office inside of for ESPN, Mike Tannebam.

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Speaker 1: Mike could see man, how are you all right?

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Speaker 3: Good to see you guys. Morning.

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Speaker 2: All right, So I'm gonna take the Giants gym head.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna steal it away from Joe Shane. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: put it on Mike Tannebaum's head. What would be your

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Speaker 2: overall strategy for trying to build out the Giants roster

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Speaker 2: this offseason?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fix the quarterback position long term. You know, they

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Speaker 4: have a quarterback that obviously, in flashes, has done, you know,

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Speaker 4: reasonably well. But you know, one of the most important

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Speaker 4: aspects of playing the quarterback position is to be available,

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Speaker 4: and you know, unfortunately, for whatever reason, it just hasn't

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Speaker 4: worked out between the knee and the neck. And if

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Speaker 4: we're trying and build something great and sustainable and dynastic

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Speaker 4: for the next ten years. And we're competing against filming

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Speaker 4: the blank Dallas, you know, Philadelphia, Detroit, Green Bay, San Francisco,

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Speaker 4: San Francisco. Like, that's that's a high bar right now.

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Speaker 4: In the NFC, it's a really high bar, and they

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Speaker 4: need somebody that can compete at that level.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now how do you go about it?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: Right? Because I think scour. There's a really good scour.

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Speaker 2: Because I think the good chance the top three guys

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Speaker 2: are gone, the top three, right, right, so then scour.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean by that, sco Yeah, it's systematically

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Speaker 4: looking at every rock every day and you try to

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Speaker 4: put together different scenarios. Like two of the best quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: right now in the AFC, are you know, Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: and Patrick Mahomes both were traded up for so you know,

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Speaker 4: I think one of the more interesting inflection points in

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Speaker 4: this year's draft is New England's evaluation of Mac Jones.

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Speaker 4: You know, are they happy with him? Do they try

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Speaker 4: to go from three to one? Do they back out?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: Does like to me, I look at Atlanta and Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: like they're fascinating to me, like, could one of those

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Speaker 4: teams come up to number three? And if I'm the Giants,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be leap frog by either you know,

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Speaker 4: Atlanta or Minnesota. I'm assuming let's say they lose Kirk

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Speaker 3: So to me, if I'm the Giants, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Sitting where I am like, I'm trying to get one

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Speaker 4: of those three guys and doing everything I can to

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to follow up what the price would be? Sorry,

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Speaker 2: keyl moving up from six to three? We so the

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Speaker 2: Jets do that right to get Sam darn I think

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Speaker 2: it was three to two s Yep. Everything's seen inflation

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Speaker 2: over the past few years. How we see the quarterback

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Speaker 2: price inflation as well? Do you think that's going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it depends on you know, when New

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Speaker 4: Orleans phone rings and it's you know, Atlanta. And if

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Speaker 4: I'm New Orland, I could get a one from Atlanta

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Speaker 4: and still come out of this with a front line

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Speaker 4: off its tackle, a really good receiver, two positions, a

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Speaker 4: need for the Patriots. I'm definitely doing that.

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Speaker 1: Because there's going to be heavy competition for that pick, right, I.

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Speaker 4: And I think the fourth quarterback is going to come

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Speaker 4: be a fun couple of months of a really interesting speculation.

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Speaker 5: Well, you just kind of answered part of my question, Mike,

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Speaker 5: and that is, if you can't get one of those

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think bo Nix has a chance.

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Speaker 4: He's had two great years in Oregon, so I think

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Speaker 4: just think, just for like a fun discussion, if you

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Speaker 4: with Jaden Daniels, And again, I think they're both great players.

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Speaker 4: Point being is like the way Michigan player. I went

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Speaker 4: And you know that team was loaded with whatever seventeen

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Speaker 4: gonna go up and get him once we go through

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Speaker 4: this whole process. And again, if I'm the Giants, I

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Speaker 6: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 6: so go to that retreat. Knew you move to the country.

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Speaker 6: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 6: you ready for all that life brings?

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Speaker 2: Would you be comfortable at six if McCarthy is there,

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Speaker 2: and you could also select either your top offensive tackle

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's Joe All for you, or you're assuming

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior is gone. Either Neighbors or Dunde whicheveryone

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Speaker 2: is your favorite. Would you feel good picking McCarthy over

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those are all great players.

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Speaker 4: Like this is a really good draft, right yet yeah,

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Speaker 4: but again, like to me, the threshold is like until

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Speaker 4: we got the quarterback position, sound, really nothing else matters.

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Speaker 4: And again the bar in the NFC is so hot,

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Speaker 4: really high that you know, again they're not alone. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's not just the Giants, but you know it's other

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Speaker 4: Like you look at that Green Bay offense and how

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Speaker 4: they're in the Super Bowl two years ago, Dallas led

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Speaker 5: We've heard what you think about the quarterback situation, Mike,

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Speaker 5: but it seems to me offensive line then must be

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Speaker 3: That, right, yeah, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Second round?

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Speaker 5: Can you can you get guys there that you feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And look you know, we'll see, like where someone like

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Speaker 4: a good senior Bowl. I think he's a top twenty

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Speaker 4: he's a great second round offensive lineman. But I don't

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Speaker 4: think he'll be there. But some of the tackles will

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Speaker 4: a guy like Tyler Geyton. Look, he's probably a top

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Speaker 1: Great athlete people and a fall up with his testing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he actually reminded me of the brickishaw ferguson the

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Speaker 5: believe that the Giants have a bigger need on the

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Speaker 1: At tackle that was gonna be my question.

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Speaker 5: Or or do you just go right after a tackle

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Speaker 5: and say, look, we just got to get that fixed

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything wrong moving Neil inside. You know,

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Speaker 4: he can obviously anchor and maybe some of his limitations

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Speaker 4: you slide inside. So look, if they drafted Joe all

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Speaker 1: Giants need to address guard though, too, right, So do

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Speaker 2: Since it's not a premium position and the cost is

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Speaker 2: guard to get one of the better veterans in free

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you could do that in an

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Speaker 4: Like it's I don't see how he's not a frontline

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Speaker 1: Of years and no fear of moving him side swapping

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've seen that too many times in my career,

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Speaker 4: Like for a guy of his ability, I'd be surprised

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Speaker 5: All right, let me go back to the free agency

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Speaker 5: thing there John just mentioned a second ago. You know,

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Speaker 5: we talk about your own free agents. It's always important

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Speaker 5: to keep your own guys in house. Blackley and Davie

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Speaker 5: McKinney two very high profile guys. Mike, how much do

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Speaker 5: you stretch the rubber band with the extra money in

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Speaker 5: the salary cap to try to keep one or both?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Saquon is really important.

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Speaker 4: I think you look at Dak Prescott of the Giant

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Speaker 4: of Dallas, you look at Saquan of the Giants, very similar.

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Speaker 4: They always say the right things in those markets. It's

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Speaker 4: so important, Like you know, look, in my opinion, they

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Speaker 4: just paid the wrong guy last year. I think Saquon

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Speaker 4: Barkley is a guy that should never leave the program

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Speaker 4: because he's so talented. He's a great leader. And by

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Speaker 4: the way, like you know, I'll say the quiet thing

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Speaker 4: out loud, like every single player in that locker room

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Speaker 4: is saying, if they don't do right by him, who

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Speaker 4: will they do right by? Because he is beyond reproach

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Speaker 4: as a player, he's beyond reproach as a person. And

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Speaker 4: to me, you do everything within reason, you throw out

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Speaker 4: that whole notion. Well, he's a running back, you know,

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Speaker 4: like Christian McCaffrey has been a big difference maker for

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Speaker 4: It's a great question because I was thinking the same thing.

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Speaker 4: I thought Tony Potter was gonna play better than he did.

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Speaker 4: No, No, that's a great point. I didn't even think

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Speaker 5: All right, we left Xavier McKinney on the table. I

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Speaker 2: The Giants need a number one, right, they have good pieces,

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Speaker 3: How do you see that?

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