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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: It's a Thursday edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: Draft Show. As we are seventy four days away from
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. It's hard to keep count at this
Speaker 1: point because we're getting closer and closer along the way.
Speaker 1: But we are going to break it down in early
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day gift for all of you listeners out there
Speaker 1: who decided to tune in, as we're gonna give our
Speaker 1: Valentine's crushes of draft prospects at each position. And plus, hey,
Speaker 1: Dave Brugler gave you a nice little mot draft Valentine
Speaker 1: Day gift earlier today. We're gonna go through that as
Speaker 1: you can find that on the Athletic. But I want
Speaker 1: to start things off today by asking mister Jeff Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: a question because I feel like you're probably the more
Speaker 1: likely of the four of us to do this. But
Speaker 1: if you were on a boat and you have the
Speaker 1: Lombardi trophy in your hand, would you have the guts
Speaker 1: to toss it to another boat in the middle of
Speaker 1: a bay, let's say Tampa Bay, at some point throughout
Speaker 1: that celebration. Would you have the guts to do something
Speaker 1: like that? Oh? Yeah, I don't care about pretty much anything, Kyle. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Plus I'm an experienced boatman. Ye are I'm a lake Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm a lake man. But I'm an experienced boatman,
Speaker 1: and I'm an experienced drinker. So I think that I
Speaker 1: could pull that off with no problems whatsoever. I could
Speaker 1: throw the Lombardi to kat and I could throw it.
Speaker 1: I'll say I could throw it from without even knowing
Speaker 1: how much it weighs. I'll say I could make that
Speaker 1: toss from eighteen yards. Okay, Katie, would you make the catch? Tank? Uh? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I've got very good at hands. My problem is getting
Speaker 1: separation because I'm a little chubby. I'll set a pickup
Speaker 1: for you and run the dig. We'll be good. I'll
Speaker 1: call them both. That's all I need to be doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can make that point for you. Okay, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure. I just wanted to ask that
Speaker 1: question because I don't know why, but yesterday I was like,
Speaker 1: which one of the three of these Draft Show guys
Speaker 1: would be more willing to toss a Lombardi Trophy. My
Speaker 1: first thought was Dane's face whenever it happened, whenever he
Speaker 1: actually saw it. But then my second thought was, oh,
Speaker 1: Jeff would probably ultimately make this toss. Now, Dane, what
Speaker 1: did you think about the Super Bowl? Is? We didn't
Speaker 1: get the chance to get your thoughts on or all
Speaker 1: three of y'all's thoughts on the Draft Show Tuesday? What
Speaker 1: you think about the final of Tampa Bay taking down
Speaker 1: Kansas City thirty one that night? A little surprised that
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were not more ready for the Bucks defensive
Speaker 1: game plan. I thought that, you know, Andy Reid knows
Speaker 1: way you know, add up all our football knowledge and
Speaker 1: Andy Reid still knows way, way more. Um So, you know,
Speaker 1: I just thought they'd be a little more ready and
Speaker 1: be able to adjust to what the Bucks were doing.
Speaker 1: But I mean credit to uh, you know, that defense,
Speaker 1: the pressure they put on the pocket. Um you know,
Speaker 1: of course Tom Brady what he was able to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's really remarkable. Um, you know it's
Speaker 1: and I think just as a you know, the thirty
Speaker 1: thousand foot view, the fact that we got through the
Speaker 1: season with no cancelations, a few postponements here and there,
Speaker 1: a few scares, a few teams had to you know,
Speaker 1: play a game without coaches and players and all that,
Speaker 1: but you know, ultimately we made it. We made it
Speaker 1: to the finish line. And credit to the Bucks for
Speaker 1: you know, I think if you we watched him throughout
Speaker 1: the year, just get better and better and better. And
Speaker 1: obviously part of that is you know, Tom Brady bringing
Speaker 1: his uh of knowledge to offense and getting comfortable and
Speaker 1: just everything jelling at the right time. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they they're ready to come back and do it next year,
Speaker 1: so it should make it interesting. I thought that game
Speaker 1: provided a lot of hope to other teams around the
Speaker 1: league of like, hey, you might be closer than maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you think. I mean for the Chiefs, and we
Speaker 1: know how dangerous the Chiefs are with their weapons and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. In my homes, I don't have to
Speaker 1: tell you that, but like the mistakes, kind of the
Speaker 1: sloppiness on defense, and everyone's gonna grap about the penalties,
Speaker 1: but they put themselves in a position to like not
Speaker 1: overcome those penalties by stupid mistakes. I'll never understand someone
Speaker 1: lining up off sides on a field goal attempt. It's
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing in sports. Um So, like I see
Speaker 1: things like that, I'm a man. I kind of what
Speaker 1: Dane said. I can't believe they weren't more ready. And
Speaker 1: I think in the NFC, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: that since, like I know, Tom Brady's a monster and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, but that defense is the story for
Speaker 1: me at Tampa Bay defense, and that kind of tells you, Okay,
Speaker 1: look we can go put points up in if we
Speaker 1: can find a way to build our defense a little bit,
Speaker 1: we've got a chance to compete in the NFC. And
Speaker 1: I think we saw that with New Orleans in Green
Speaker 1: Bay thinking they had a shot and the Rams that
Speaker 1: they kind of had a shot for a while until
Speaker 1: quarterback chaos ensued. And whatever happens with Seattle, I know
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's been saying a lot of stuff. Whatever happens
Speaker 1: with Seattle will be interesting. But the NFC to me
Speaker 1: is still very wide open. Jet I think it showed
Speaker 1: me that the draft show is where you build champions,
Speaker 1: because if you look at Tampa Bay's last three years
Speaker 1: of drafts, you're gonna find three years ago, Vita Bay,
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones, Carlton Davis, Alex Kappa, Jordan Whitehead, everybody that
Speaker 1: I named as a starter. I mean Ronald Jones, I
Speaker 1: guess kind of sometimes twenty nineteen, Devin White, Sean Murphy Bunting,
Speaker 1: Jamal Dean. Every one of those is a starter. And
Speaker 1: then last year Tristan Worf's Antoine Winfield Junior. Those are studs.
Speaker 1: So I named you at least three Pro bowlers and
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of starter and a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: good starters. So basically, when a team gets to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, show me their last three to four years
Speaker 1: of drafts, and I'll tell you if they were actually there.
Speaker 1: And for Tampa Bay, the answer is absolutely. And then
Speaker 1: they convinced the Goat to show up, and then he
Speaker 1: brought his friends. But a lot of what they built
Speaker 1: is the last three years of the draft. I just
Speaker 1: gave you part of their offensive line, their entire secondary,
Speaker 1: the best nose tackle in football, a guy who's going
Speaker 1: to be an All Pro offensive tackle for a bunch
Speaker 1: of years of Pro Bowl safety. That's all in the
Speaker 1: last three years of drafting. So that's nothing. Well, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jeff. That's where the Cowboys defense is. Where
Speaker 1: it's at right now is because they've missed a lot
Speaker 1: in the twenty seventeen draft. But Taco Cheeto, Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: I know, we talked about Xavier Woods. You know, Zavier
Speaker 1: Woods might be a starter, you know, like, that's where
Speaker 1: their defense is. Where it's at. They missed our entire
Speaker 1: year of drafting, and that can't happen. That sets you
Speaker 1: back if you completely with on one year. And you
Speaker 1: can also argue maybe twenty nineteen two without half a
Speaker 1: first round draft pick and then Triston Hill being your
Speaker 1: second round pick. I mean you could argue there that
Speaker 1: you missed as well. Now there's still a lot to
Speaker 1: kind of from come to fruition with the twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: draft that we don't know if Tristan Hill is a
Speaker 1: miss yet. But you didn't have that first round pick,
Speaker 1: and I think not having that hurt you on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football. It's pretty nice to have
Speaker 1: a Maria Cooper on the offensive side. But I completely agree.
Speaker 1: I wrote about it a little bit this morning on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com about the building of Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: and how it's kind of reversed from what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have been doing over the last couple of years. It
Speaker 1: seems like the Cowboys have said, hey, let's sign all
Speaker 1: these free agents, try and get a cheap deal or
Speaker 1: at least a bargain discount on free agents, and then
Speaker 1: fill those holes with some draft picks. Now, Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: did the opposite. They drafted really, really well, and they'd
Speaker 1: say it, Hey, now that we've drafted well, let's bring
Speaker 1: in these guys. Like Jeff said, the Goat and his
Speaker 1: friends came along and then all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contender. But the Cowboys have a long
Speaker 1: way to go in order to do that, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to hit on a couple of picks in
Speaker 1: order to do so. But let's talk talk about Dane's
Speaker 1: first round mock draft. You can find it on the
Speaker 1: Athletic It's mock Draft three point Oh. Mister Dane Brugler. First,
Speaker 1: give us just kind of your initial thoughts on riding
Speaker 1: this up, and then we'll get into the Cowboys pick
Speaker 1: and kind of how things in suit scenario wise, Well,
Speaker 1: I wanted to switch things up a little bit and
Speaker 1: introduce some trade opportunities. You know, it's mock drafts are
Speaker 1: at this point in the process, all about laying out scenarios.
Speaker 1: You know, what are the possibilities, what could happen, And
Speaker 1: it's just it's not realistic, honestly to do a mock
Speaker 1: draft without some type of trades. You know, just last
Speaker 1: year's draft, in the first round, there were eleven teams
Speaker 1: that drafted in a spot other than that where they
Speaker 1: were originally slotted. So there's going to be movement. It's
Speaker 1: going to happen, especially when you consider the quarterbacks at
Speaker 1: the top of this draft. Now, is it, you know,
Speaker 1: almost unrealistic to nail those trades. Yeah, but at least
Speaker 1: we can lay out some of those possible scenarios that
Speaker 1: could be on the table for some of these teams.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I tried to do, lay out
Speaker 1: you know, trade compensation, the reasoning behind some of these moves.
Speaker 1: And you know, all and Ali had six trades in
Speaker 1: this first round mock draft, so a lot of movement.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys stayed at ten, but there were two trades
Speaker 1: in front of them. Uh. You know, we talk about
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and how they're probably gonna go quickly, and
Speaker 1: that's what happened in this scenario. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: on one hand, it'd be great for a quarterback to
Speaker 1: fall to ten because then you can talk trade down
Speaker 1: and all that. But at the same time, if four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go top ten, that means you're pushing another good
Speaker 1: player to you at ten. I think that's what happened
Speaker 1: in this draft. Was there a scenario in there somewhere
Speaker 1: where you thought about trading the Cowboys pick either to
Speaker 1: go up or down at any point? Not up? I
Speaker 1: think it really just it would come down to because
Speaker 1: there were there were a few possibilities that I looked at.
Speaker 1: When you have the Giants sitting there at eleven, and
Speaker 1: let's say Jamar Chase Davante Smith goes somewhere in the
Speaker 1: top ten, I think there's one more receiver in this
Speaker 1: draft that's really in that top tier, being Jail and Waddle.
Speaker 1: And so you're looking at a few teams, you know,
Speaker 1: like the Patriots or you know a few of these
Speaker 1: other teams that are maybe looking for that weapon, and
Speaker 1: you want to get in front of the Giants to
Speaker 1: go get that weapon, and so at ten, I think
Speaker 1: that's a possible landing spot for one of these teams.
Speaker 1: The other scenario that I looked at was a team
Speaker 1: like the Charger sitting there at thirteen. They are a
Speaker 1: very offensive line needy team right now. They need to
Speaker 1: keep Justin Herbert healthy. They need to do something to
Speaker 1: upgrade that offensive line in several spots. And so if
Speaker 1: you know Penne Suo goes early, and then you know
Speaker 1: Rashawn Slater, if he's the next guy off the board,
Speaker 1: and let's say that a team like the Chargers has
Speaker 1: a gap between Slater and that next offensive tackle, well
Speaker 1: maybe they would look to trade up to number ten
Speaker 1: ahead of you know, a team you know like that
Speaker 1: could possibly trade in front of them to get that
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. So I think there are a few scenarios
Speaker 1: here that are plausible. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, I had them stay put at ten. Patrick
Speaker 1: Surtan was there, and it made sense for them just
Speaker 1: to stay put. If they don't have a deal on
Speaker 1: the table that blows them away, stay put and draft,
Speaker 1: And that's what they did in this scenario. So in
Speaker 1: your scenario, the biggest trade was the fact that the
Speaker 1: Panthers went from number eight up to number three and
Speaker 1: they ended up taking Justin Fields instead of maybe letting
Speaker 1: mac Jones kind of fall into their lap. A lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. Trevor Lawrence number one, Wilson goes number to
Speaker 1: Justin Fields goes number three. That's pretty much what you
Speaker 1: would think about the first three picks of the draft,
Speaker 1: no matter who's going to be picking there. Maybe with
Speaker 1: the exception of Miami, Kyle Pitts goes number five, the
Speaker 1: tied end from Florida, the Eagles, Well, we will now
Speaker 1: have to see Jamar Chase wide receiver out of LSU,
Speaker 1: for the next couple of years. Twice year Trey Lance
Speaker 1: is Washington's new quarterback. Is they traded up to seven
Speaker 1: to go get a quarterback there? So just talking about
Speaker 1: the NFC East opponents here, Jeff and Kat specifically, whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the early parts of this mock draft,
Speaker 1: having to see Jamar Chase twice a year, and then Washington,
Speaker 1: a team who won the division last year, finally getting
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's at least somewhat competent and not injured
Speaker 1: in the backfield like a Trey Lance. What does that
Speaker 1: say to you about the NFC East potential If they're
Speaker 1: going to trade up and try and go get these
Speaker 1: guys with the Eagles, if they're not going to take
Speaker 1: a quarterback, I wouldn't worry about the Eagles for the
Speaker 1: next half decade because I think Carson Wentz is gonna
Speaker 1: get traded and I don't think Jalen Hurts is good
Speaker 1: enough to be a good NFL quarterback. So if they're
Speaker 1: going to take a wide receiver, I think that's fine.
Speaker 1: What would worry me as a Cowboy observer is if
Speaker 1: Philadelphia takes a quarterback and hits. So in this scenario,
Speaker 1: I would say Washington is the team that's doing themselves
Speaker 1: a real favor and Philadelphia is still going to be
Speaker 1: in trouble. It's nice to have weapons, but if your
Speaker 1: quarterback's not good enough, and I don't think Jalen Hurts is,
Speaker 1: then you're not gonna win a lot of football games.
Speaker 1: Washington finding a quarterback, a real life quarterback because Alex Smith,
Speaker 1: ain't it, Taylor Einekey, who knows. But if they find
Speaker 1: a real life quarterback, that roster is better than the
Speaker 1: Cowboys roster. If they have a quarterback, they can win
Speaker 1: the division again. But the Cowboy and now there's wild
Speaker 1: cards there. If the Cowboys get their entire offensive lineback
Speaker 1: and you have Dak and he's fully recovered, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, then you can still win the division.
Speaker 1: But Washington finding a real life quarterback. That's the biggest
Speaker 1: problem in this division for the Cowboys. And I think
Speaker 1: you made a good point about the Eagles, and that's
Speaker 1: they're really interesting in this scenario, with Carson Wentz likely
Speaker 1: on his way out, what do the Eagles do a
Speaker 1: number six? Is there a quarterback there that they feel
Speaker 1: great about that they'd want to go get in In In
Speaker 1: this scenario, the only quarterback available Trey Lant or you know,
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, even if you want to include him. But
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles are at a point where, even
Speaker 1: if you do add a young quarterback, is the rest
Speaker 1: of the roster good enough, you know, And so I
Speaker 1: think that they're at a point where they can build
Speaker 1: up the talent around the quarterback in this draft and
Speaker 1: then aim for a quarterback in next year's draft, or
Speaker 1: if they feel strongly enough about a quarterback, just drop
Speaker 1: them now and then you know, do your best to
Speaker 1: fill in the pieces later. So the Eagles are interesting
Speaker 1: crossroads here that I think makes them a real wild card,
Speaker 1: and I like the idea though at the question we're
Speaker 1: kind of talking about the NFC East. But you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Falcons at pick four and three, quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are off the board in this scenario where Carolina has
Speaker 1: traded up, if I like that guy a little bit,
Speaker 1: I'd probably going to pull the trigger. And I know,
Speaker 1: maybe they think they can extend Matt Ryan a little
Speaker 1: bit more his career a little bit more, I might
Speaker 1: go ahead and rip off the band aid and start
Speaker 1: to rebuild. I guess my question for you, Dan, I
Speaker 1: know you've answered this before, but like next year's quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the feeling quite a bit of a
Speaker 1: drop off compared to this year? I mean I think so, um,
Speaker 1: and that's that's the vibe or who's what I've been
Speaker 1: told by many around the league is just they're not
Speaker 1: wild by next year's class. Um, you know, the North
Speaker 1: Carolina kid. Um. You know, we'll see if the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: quarterback can you know, really develop in you know, the
Speaker 1: next season, so much will be dependent on what happened
Speaker 1: next year and the steps that these guys take. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's no feel at least at this point.
Speaker 1: There's no Trevor Lawrence. Uh, there's you know, no that guy.
Speaker 1: But you know, there wasn't a Joe Burrow Um, you know,
Speaker 1: going into his senior year. So you know, we just
Speaker 1: don't know. But I think it's interesting with atlantup because
Speaker 1: they're in a spot with a brand new regime, new
Speaker 1: head coach, new general manager. You know, they they could
Speaker 1: absolutely start building for the future. And if they take
Speaker 1: a quarterback at number four and it plays out you
Speaker 1: know like this where a quarterbacks go one, two, three, four,
Speaker 1: that'll be the first time it's ever happened. We've never
Speaker 1: seen that before. We've had it happened where quarterbacks go one,
Speaker 1: two three, but number one, two, three four. I think
Speaker 1: with Atlanta, though, with a new regime coming in first
Speaker 1: year general manager, you want to hit on this pick
Speaker 1: more than anything, and I think adding Pennay Sewell to
Speaker 1: upgrade that offensive line from the get go, Atlanta can
Speaker 1: still compete. I mean, yes, they need to get better
Speaker 1: on defense, but you add an offensive line piece like
Speaker 1: Pennai Suel Matt Ryan is not going to go down
Speaker 1: without a fight. He still has weapons a throw to.
Speaker 1: You make some additions, upgrades on defense and free agency,
Speaker 1: Atlanta can make some noise in that division. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know that the Atlanta is in an interesting spot
Speaker 1: where they can still compete and you know, maybe not
Speaker 1: go the quarterback route even though they do have a
Speaker 1: top five pick. So let's ask another quick question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go for Katie. Those are real quick. So in all,
Speaker 1: a lot of these Mark Jeff scenarios, you know, and
Speaker 1: in this one we have the Cowboys taking Patrick Surtan.
Speaker 1: If we had to rank if say the four quarterbacks
Speaker 1: win earlier, if you had to rank for Dan or
Speaker 1: Jeff or whoever, if you had to rank Patrick Certain,
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley, Pine Sewell or a Shawn Slater, how would
Speaker 1: you rank those four prospects overall for the Cowboys or
Speaker 1: just in a in a vacuum in a vacuum. But
Speaker 1: but you know that we know the Cowboys are thinking
Speaker 1: about these guys because those are possibly positions of need
Speaker 1: at least at least off it's tackles possible, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I know for me, I Sewell would be
Speaker 1: my top guy and then it would be a debate
Speaker 1: between Slater and Farley for the next for the next player.
Speaker 1: But you know, Sewell, I think is just he's He's
Speaker 1: a premier offensive lineman who is not even close to
Speaker 1: playing his best football yet. You know he doesn't turn
Speaker 1: twenty one and t October. Just there's so much ability
Speaker 1: there and you know that's there's just a lot that
Speaker 1: you can do with the player like that. So Sewell
Speaker 1: will definitely be my guy. And then it would be
Speaker 1: a debate between Slater and Farley who who would number
Speaker 1: two be on that list. I'm interested in the fact
Speaker 1: that you said Slater and Farley next and not certain
Speaker 1: Is that corrected? Did I hear that right? Or did
Speaker 1: I hear it the other way? No? Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: Certain Um, I just I like Slater Farley just a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Yeah, I mean, I go for it, Dane. Sorry,
Speaker 1: didn't mean to catch you off. It's it's a situation
Speaker 1: where you're, you know, the better player versus a better prospect.
Speaker 1: I mean Caleb Farley, I think when you know we've
Speaker 1: talked about before, talk about his athleticism, that size the
Speaker 1: ball awareness, how much better you think he's going to
Speaker 1: get still with Curtan. I think he's a top fifteen
Speaker 1: player in this draft. Uh just you know, he's missing
Speaker 1: a little bit of that speed element that you want
Speaker 1: and missing a little bit of that twitch, but he
Speaker 1: consistently stays in phase, he finds the football. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy who's ready to step in from day
Speaker 1: want to be a starter for you. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like it'd be a bad
Speaker 1: pick if they went that to direction, but when you
Speaker 1: stack those four players, I think he'd probably be the
Speaker 1: fourth of the group. But it's four really good players
Speaker 1: right there. So based off of what you said and
Speaker 1: having Slater ahead of Curtan, Certan was the pick for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in this mock draft. At ten, they stayed put.
Speaker 1: They took Sirtan. Now Farley and Sewell were off the board.
Speaker 1: Farley went one pick prior number nine to Denver and
Speaker 1: then Sewell win earlier than draft to Atlanta at pick
Speaker 1: number four. Slater was still on the board here and
Speaker 1: even you talk about a fun trade. Slater went two
Speaker 1: picks later to the New York Jets after they traded
Speaker 1: in your mock draft, after they traded a first round
Speaker 1: pick number twenty three overall in Sam Darnold in order
Speaker 1: to get up and get that pick from San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Why was that the case in terms of curtain going
Speaker 1: to Dallas and then also showing that other teams value
Speaker 1: as highly as they do. Ris Shawn's later, Well, I
Speaker 1: think first off, the question was Slater is going to
Speaker 1: be for a lot of teams. Can you play tackle? Um,
Speaker 1: there's there's I know there are some teams that have
Speaker 1: him on the board as a guard center, so you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys might be one of those teams. I don't know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, And if they don't think he can play tackle,
Speaker 1: then maybe that changes the conversation a little bit um.
Speaker 1: You know, not that you don't draft a guard at
Speaker 1: number ten overall, but not having that position flex because
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why personally I love Slater
Speaker 1: so much, because I think he gives you that position versatility.
Speaker 1: But if the Cowboys don't see that, if they see
Speaker 1: him as a guard prospect, then maybe that changes things
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. And in this scenario, I you know,
Speaker 1: knowing the Cowboys the way they look at the they
Speaker 1: we know that they like to predetermine what they're going
Speaker 1: to do And in this scenario, in this draft, where
Speaker 1: there's two pretty solid corners at the top, it just
Speaker 1: seems like it's a very like the most likely scenario
Speaker 1: is them going with one of these corners, depending on
Speaker 1: which one's available for him. And that trade situation, you know,
Speaker 1: it just comes down the Jets if they get a
Speaker 1: good deal for Darnold because they don't have to trade them,
Speaker 1: but I think they will if the right values there.
Speaker 1: And this trade scenario that I propose is basically the
Speaker 1: equivalent of two second round picks, because the Jets are
Speaker 1: moving up from twenty three to twelve, so the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers are still sticking in the first round and
Speaker 1: giving up a twenty twenty two second round pick and
Speaker 1: to get their quarterback. And so it's a it's an
Speaker 1: interesting opportunity for both teams. And for the Jets, they
Speaker 1: get up to twelve, and okay, you've got a chance
Speaker 1: to draft a player that's gonna upgrade their offensive line
Speaker 1: and you pair Slater McKay Beckton at left tackle and
Speaker 1: left guard for the foreseeable future. That's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. So it's an interesting, you know wrinkle
Speaker 1: that would you know, surely shake things up. Do you
Speaker 1: think this is the safe pick, Jeff, whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys instead of taking an offensive tackle in
Speaker 1: a slater? Or is this the risky pick, taking a
Speaker 1: guy who may not be the better prospect but it
Speaker 1: fits your needs right now? I mean, I do think
Speaker 1: it's a safe pick. I think Drick Curtan is a
Speaker 1: safe pick to say he's going to play ten years
Speaker 1: in the NFL and he's going to be a starter,
Speaker 1: you know. I think this scenario that Dane has drawn
Speaker 1: up brings a whole bunch of different names into play.
Speaker 1: I think for the Cowboys, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: it brought the name Micah Parsons into play. For me,
Speaker 1: I would I would rather hear the name Jeremiah Wosu Coromoa,
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame linebacker. Gosh, does Christian Barmore come into play?
Speaker 1: Excuse me? But like I mean to me, that's early,
Speaker 1: but that it's kind of along the same vein as
Speaker 1: what the Curtan pick would signify, which is, look, here's
Speaker 1: what we're looking at in terms of need. Because in
Speaker 1: terms of the best players available for me, it would
Speaker 1: be Jaylen Waddle and Rashawn Slater and Jeremiah Wosu Coromoa
Speaker 1: and and Patrick Curtan and those would kind of be
Speaker 1: the names that would be in that group for me.
Speaker 1: But I'm with Dane where I think what's going to
Speaker 1: happen is you'll have you know quite a guys that
Speaker 1: told you as yeah, these are solid first round picks.
Speaker 1: We're sitting here at number ten. We have a desperate
Speaker 1: need for cornerback. So if Caleb Farley or Patrick Sartan
Speaker 1: is there, I think it makes sense. I don't think
Speaker 1: he would be the top player according to me that's
Speaker 1: available there, but it's a pick that makes tons of
Speaker 1: sense for the Cowboys, And I think part of it
Speaker 1: is I'm taking the best player there because I feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about cornerback and offensive tackle depth in the
Speaker 1: second round when you're picking at forty four. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't real rule out taking a defensive tackle or a
Speaker 1: defensive end or a linebacker or any of those things
Speaker 1: in that spot, but I do feel really good about
Speaker 1: offensive tackle and cornerback depth. Going back to Day two,
Speaker 1: Waddle is the best player. What if it's Jalen Waddle, Okay,
Speaker 1: best player available at a position of need. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: just checking. But now you're right. I like that you're
Speaker 1: throwing that out there, because I did. I at least
Speaker 1: turned my head like I do every time I go
Speaker 1: into a seven eleven and I see some wine. Is
Speaker 1: that wine in a seven eleven? Yeah? I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna buy it, but I might because there's
Speaker 1: wine in a seven eleven. That's That's what Jalen Wattle
Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts do for me at that area. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: And hey, maybe maybe Jaylen Waddle ends up being the
Speaker 1: miller light in the seven eleven and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're really cooking because you have to select it.
Speaker 1: That's the issue. And a water burger on the way home,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Whoa, oh, some of them
Speaker 1: I'm at at and t phone. Maybe some of the
Speaker 1: other other players that were that we've kind of talked
Speaker 1: about and where they landed. In Dane's mock draft, the
Speaker 1: Patriots take Michael Parsons at fifteen. That just seems like
Speaker 1: a Patriots pig. Goodness gracious um. Christian Barnmore goes seventeen
Speaker 1: to Las Vegas as the Raiders take him mister Jeremiah
Speaker 1: Usu Koramora, linebacker out of Notre Dame, who we all
Speaker 1: of the Detroit Lions who traded out of the top ten,
Speaker 1: gave a quarterback to Washington ended up taking Jeremiah Usu
Speaker 1: Koramora to pair in that defense at the linebacker spot.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty impressive, I think from a standpoint of
Speaker 1: a team trading back and still grabbing a guy. Jc
Speaker 1: Horn another Cowboys rumored guy. Buffalo Bills take him at
Speaker 1: twenty one. Any other picks though here before we take
Speaker 1: our first break down, that's stuck out to you when
Speaker 1: you made him. Well. I love the Steelers trading up
Speaker 1: a few spots to get Christian Darrisaw. You know, they
Speaker 1: need help attackle and derris Saw just seems like a
Speaker 1: great fit for not only that scheme, but just the
Speaker 1: type of player that the Steelers look for. So they
Speaker 1: make a little bit of a move and get their guy,
Speaker 1: you know, the forty nine Ers. They make that move,
Speaker 1: they move back to twenty three from the twelve pick,
Speaker 1: and they still get a solid player in quitty pay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they can or a quitty pay at twelve, and
Speaker 1: they fall down to twenty three still get him. I
Speaker 1: think Mac Jones at twenty eight to the Saints is
Speaker 1: just a perfect fit in terms of him being the
Speaker 1: new Drew Brees. There really fits that offense well and
Speaker 1: I think they could hit the ground running. And you
Speaker 1: know the Colts, they get kind of shut out at
Speaker 1: left tackle with Derris off the board and a few
Speaker 1: other guys, So they move back and get Leah Meikenberg
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round, which I think
Speaker 1: would be a nice fit for them, and then last
Speaker 1: pick of the first round Miami, which this is Miami's
Speaker 1: third trade in this h this mock draft scenario. They
Speaker 1: trade back into the first round for the their third
Speaker 1: pick in this year in this first round situation, and
Speaker 1: they get Travis etn So, Davonte Smith, Zavin Collins, and
Speaker 1: then they moved from thirty six to thirty two to
Speaker 1: get their explosive running back, so trying to get to
Speaker 1: us some more help on that offense. I love it.
Speaker 1: I think that's a fantastic and I wish the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would do something like that and get multiple first round
Speaker 1: picks as Miami already has too. They said, nah, we
Speaker 1: want one more. Let's go ahead and snag this guy
Speaker 1: and try and make a run for the thing, because
Speaker 1: we also don't know what Miami's gonna do with two
Speaker 1: uh and if he's even going to be that quarterback
Speaker 1: moving forward. So there's a lot of moving and shifting
Speaker 1: to be done. And while we're talking about trades, we've
Speaker 1: got Twitter on the twenty coming up on the other
Speaker 1: side of the break, and I'm gonna ask all three
Speaker 1: of these guys what it would be like to trade
Speaker 1: down and maybe go get one of those defensive players
Speaker 1: like a Jeremiah Usu Corribora or a Christian Barmore. How
Speaker 1: far would they have to fall? And are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: secretly in a rebuild. We'll talk about it when we
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Speaker 1: Draft Show into the second segment here the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show. It's a Thursday edition. Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: Dame Burglar, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Kate T. Turner, and now
Speaker 1: we've got you guys answering fan questions on some Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty on the Chris beam as always doing
Speaker 1: fantastic work in the back and Jeff caving all. This
Speaker 1: is your time to shine, my friend, because this is
Speaker 1: a segment for mister trade down. Yep, yep, it's happening.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh cool, yeah, captain trade down. No, this
Speaker 1: is a good thing, this is this is solid. Okay,
Speaker 1: So multiple questions on Twitter on the twenty. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try and read off every name. If I miss your name,
Speaker 1: I apologize. Just no, I'm thinking of you. Jason Pruitt
Speaker 1: asked Sherman asked, um, there's like three other people that
Speaker 1: ask this as well. Edward Canberra Junior. All want to
Speaker 1: know what is the scenario like to trade down for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? What would it look like? How far would
Speaker 1: you have to go to get one of these top
Speaker 1: prospects that you were talking about. We mentioned a bevy
Speaker 1: of names in the first segment. What would it take
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys to trade back down and how far
Speaker 1: would they fall? Well, I want to point out first
Speaker 1: that like Dane's mock draft scenario, he screwed it up
Speaker 1: if you wanted to trade down because he let all
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks go before the Cowboys pick. So ideally, you
Speaker 1: let one of the quarterbacks get to number ten, you
Speaker 1: let somebody come up and get them, and you move
Speaker 1: back and let's see the teams that would need said quarterback.
Speaker 1: The Dane, now all these trades are in the way,
Speaker 1: New England, Pittsburgh, Washington, right night, either at Chicago, you
Speaker 1: know Indy, so you know you could go as low
Speaker 1: as twenty one. But here's the danger, because I play
Speaker 1: with the mock draft simulators way too often on my
Speaker 1: little YouTube page, way too often, and uh, one time
Speaker 1: I went down to like twenty or twenty one and
Speaker 1: I lost everybody and it was the worst mock draft
Speaker 1: I've ever done. So, um, that's a great question that
Speaker 1: I'll try to remember and let you know. But because
Speaker 1: because here's the names that i'd be interested in a
Speaker 1: trade down. If if the k yes, it was awful,
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys trade down, then great, you accumulate an
Speaker 1: extra pick the names that I would be thinking about
Speaker 1: when I do it, and I'll go off of Dane's
Speaker 1: mock draft. Here is Sir Tan probably goes somewhere. Rashawn
Speaker 1: Slater is a name you'd love to have available. Jeremiah
Speaker 1: Wusu Coromoa, the Notre Dame linebacker. I would love to
Speaker 1: have available, Christian Barmore, JC Horn. If all of those
Speaker 1: names are gone after I trade it down, then I
Speaker 1: quit and I ask if we can redo it. I'd
Speaker 1: be like Hey, Hey, I didn't mean it. Can we
Speaker 1: switch back? Because that is about the end of the
Speaker 1: defensive players that I'm trying to pick there in the
Speaker 1: top twenty. So if I don't end up with one
Speaker 1: of those guys that I would say my trade Doown
Speaker 1: failed and I'm not having a good time anymore. So
Speaker 1: those are the targets. So you gotta be careful how
Speaker 1: far you go according to this captain trade Doown, I
Speaker 1: would agree. I don't really have too much to elaborate on.
Speaker 1: I think what you get to the Eric Stokes of
Speaker 1: the world that you know, if you want to say
Speaker 1: Leah Eikenberg or whatever you want to say, no offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: if that's where you're looking, the one name that I
Speaker 1: that I go. And I'm just kind of using Dane's
Speaker 1: my draft as a as a jumper and he's not
Speaker 1: even my safety one. But if the Cowboys liked Moreig
Speaker 1: the safety from TCU is it twenty five, maybe that's
Speaker 1: a little it's a little far from me and really
Speaker 1: not the guy that I want at safety anyways. But
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out names in scenarios because that's what
Speaker 1: we do in the draft. Who do you want it? Safety?
Speaker 1: Richie Grant, baby, Okay, I just wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: I like Richie Grant a lot. Where did yeh? Did
Speaker 1: Richie Grant go on the top the front first round? Here, Dane,
Speaker 1: I don't see him here? No, no, Morg's snuck in there. Uh.
Speaker 1: Richie Grant did not. He was not in his first
Speaker 1: round balk Okay, where would you have him? Probably agree
Speaker 1: with Katie there, Yeah, I mean I get somewhere in
Speaker 1: the top, you know, forty five picks, But I would
Speaker 1: agree with kt I mean, I think it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a close call. Who's safety one in this class.
Speaker 1: I think that there's a case to be made for
Speaker 1: Grant over Moorick. So it's it's a it's a really
Speaker 1: interesting group of safeties. I hope Richie, a guy in
Speaker 1: the early thirties go, let's say, great, well, Grant might
Speaker 1: have to have to have to be a guy where
Speaker 1: you're at forty four and you're like, gotta love this guy.
Speaker 1: I gotta jump up to thirty five or thirty six
Speaker 1: and get it. Like maybe that's the thought process there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I Dane said, top forty five picks. If he goes
Speaker 1: in the top forty four and he slides in there
Speaker 1: at forty four, I would do cartwheels. That might be
Speaker 1: that would maybe be my player that I would run
Speaker 1: to the star and back four again this year. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm making that bet again because I don't
Speaker 1: really want to, but uh, Richie Grant would maybe be
Speaker 1: that guy if he was there at forty four and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys picked him. But hey, I might might try
Speaker 1: and think that through. But uh, sticking the bet, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Let me let me get through everybody first
Speaker 1: before I make the bed. One other thing with I
Speaker 1: didn't hear you guys taught or mention any edge rushers
Speaker 1: in a trade down scenario, And I think that's where
Speaker 1: maybe edge rusher becomes more of a possibility, you know,
Speaker 1: with a quidty pay or he's Audilarry my top pass
Speaker 1: rusher in this draft. You know, I think one of
Speaker 1: these pass rushers could be more of a realistic option
Speaker 1: if they'd end up trading back seven eight spots and
Speaker 1: maybe get shut out in another position. I can do Audillarry,
Speaker 1: and that's about the only one because I would just
Speaker 1: I would look back at what you gave up at ten,
Speaker 1: and this edge class is just so weird to me
Speaker 1: where I'm with you in terms of who the top
Speaker 1: guy is and my second guy is Quitty pay, but
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about that. And then it's just
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of dudes lumped together. Where if that's
Speaker 1: what I traded away from picking at number ten overall
Speaker 1: four and I'd end up picking j In Phillips or
Speaker 1: Carlos Basham, I'd be like, what happened when we could
Speaker 1: have picked Patrick's or tam guys? What happened when it
Speaker 1: could have picked for Sean Slader? Guys? Depends what you
Speaker 1: get too. If you get an extra two and say
Speaker 1: it's a you know in early two and it ends
Speaker 1: up being another quality starter for you, then it it's
Speaker 1: an interesting discussion if you're talking about a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: a corner and a safety in your first two rounds
Speaker 1: or just a corner and a safety, you know, it
Speaker 1: just it makes it a really interesting scenario, you know,
Speaker 1: with the quantity over quality argument three versus two players,
Speaker 1: what would it take to get Let's say, if the
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys were at ten Dane and they went
Speaker 1: from ten but they stayed in the top twenty, what
Speaker 1: would that kind of compensation, look like, what do you think,
Speaker 1: probably a two And it depends what people are trained
Speaker 1: up for. If it's for a quarterback, then that compensation
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be a little bit more because the
Speaker 1: radically there will be more than one team trying to
Speaker 1: get up there, and so maybe you can drive the
Speaker 1: price up a little bit. But you know, likely if
Speaker 1: you're moving up, say say, well, I can't say Washington
Speaker 1: because I don't think the Cowboys are going to trade
Speaker 1: with Washington, but uh, you know, say it's a it's
Speaker 1: another team. Say say Pittsburgh trades up to eighteen and
Speaker 1: then they look to try to get up to ten.
Speaker 1: When they you know, try to get a quarterback or
Speaker 1: something like that, you know, then you know you're probably
Speaker 1: talking about a two and a four or something like that,
Speaker 1: where you know you're not not gonna have to trade
Speaker 1: the farm. But with when a quarterback's involved, the compensation
Speaker 1: is always a little bit more. I like it. I
Speaker 1: like having that and having one of those guys I'm
Speaker 1: there with you, captain trade down. I think if they
Speaker 1: if there's a quarterback there and it seem wants to
Speaker 1: come up and get them, let's do it. Let's just
Speaker 1: not drop too far. I don't want to drop into
Speaker 1: the twenties. I want to stay in the top twenty
Speaker 1: pick right around where we did last year. Of course,
Speaker 1: we had a CD lamb last year. Let's try and
Speaker 1: figure something out on the defensive side this time and
Speaker 1: have to second round pick, two third round picks, two
Speaker 1: fourth round picks, so on and so forth, because that's
Speaker 1: exactly what it would. Yeah, we got a man down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, oh he's back. Sorry. I got so excited
Speaker 1: about the idea of getting down into the team somewhere
Speaker 1: and drafting Jeremiah Wusu Cormoa and then removing a certain
Speaker 1: player from the roster and saving seven point two million
Speaker 1: dollars and then using that money to go sign somebody
Speaker 1: else that could help your team. And man, you could
Speaker 1: just you could upgrade a linebacker and that would be
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Wait, you you would be You
Speaker 1: would be getting rid of a player and replacing him
Speaker 1: with that same school in the same position. Is that
Speaker 1: what if you're talking about? Is that what we're at
Speaker 1: referencing here? I mean, oh no, all I'm saying is
Speaker 1: that I would go with with like a guy that's
Speaker 1: two legged bipedal and uh wow, and that celebrates celebrates
Speaker 1: usually when good things happen, not just all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, all right, let's go ahead and go to
Speaker 1: Let's go back to and this will be my last
Speaker 1: draft show. Thank you everybody. It's been a whole fun
Speaker 1: ride with Captain trade down. Uh, can you get the
Speaker 1: crew This is a question from Christian. Can you get
Speaker 1: the crew to give their thoughts on Sean Wade from
Speaker 1: Ohio State. He was a disaster in the championship game.
Speaker 1: But would he project better as a safety? We were
Speaker 1: just talking about Morigg and Richie Grant at the safety
Speaker 1: spot with Sean Wade transition over better, Katie, I mean,
Speaker 1: but just let's just go play inside. Let's do what
Speaker 1: we know you're good at like that, and that's that
Speaker 1: would probably be my goal, is like he would just
Speaker 1: be my my slot corner most of the time. And
Speaker 1: I know he's a little a little long for that
Speaker 1: six one of course, linked is fine there, right, Um,
Speaker 1: you know what I saw in twenty nineteen. You saw
Speaker 1: a good tackler and good in coverage and things like that.
Speaker 1: And when they moved outside for some reason, he struggled
Speaker 1: and just couldn't keep up with the fry Fogels of
Speaker 1: the world. You know, uh, the Indiana wide receiver things
Speaker 1: I got to use in Daily Fantasy, that Trifogel guy. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: Like I just I think also, I do think you
Speaker 1: have a situation though when you talk about him. If
Speaker 1: you're going to be playing a lot of cover three,
Speaker 1: maybe you give him another shot, but you're not taking
Speaker 1: him in the top one hundred picks. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: think I think you're banking on I think you're I
Speaker 1: think you're banking on a miracle if you do that.
Speaker 1: But let's say you get to day three, Sean Wade's there,
Speaker 1: you want to play a lot of cover three in
Speaker 1: the first place, you know, where he can kind of
Speaker 1: keep the ball in front of him. I think I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm like fully on board. It's just like
Speaker 1: abandoning the position based on fit. But that is a
Speaker 1: that became a very extremely difficult evaluation after really loving
Speaker 1: his twenty nineteen team, Dana just don't know what you
Speaker 1: do with him. I mean, he he he can't can't
Speaker 1: play outside corner. I mean he showed that, um uh
Speaker 1: he And what gave me a lot of pause was
Speaker 1: just how the lack of urgency that he played with. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not just a technique thing. It's not just him
Speaker 1: not being fast enough. It's just a lack of urgency
Speaker 1: that he that he showed that that right there is
Speaker 1: a huge red flag to me that I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not even I would have even mess with it.
Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't draft him. Um, he would not
Speaker 1: be on my board. But that's just me. I mean,
Speaker 1: some team's gonna try and you know, uh, you know
Speaker 1: my guests would be early Day three draft and develop
Speaker 1: and see if you have something. But you know, he's it.
Speaker 1: Just it was not the twenty twenty season that uh
Speaker 1: he needed to uh for the NFL draft. Jeff, I, yeah,
Speaker 1: Dan Dane beat me to the punch because I didn't
Speaker 1: think Dane would have the stones to say I wouldn't
Speaker 1: put him on the board. But that's like my thought
Speaker 1: on a guy like Sean Wade is I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: somebody else pick him. And that's like that's not my
Speaker 1: not me predicting he's gonna go undrafted. He'll probably get
Speaker 1: picked him the third or fourth, maybe even the fifth.
Speaker 1: But I think that's just one of those guys that
Speaker 1: if somebody were dumb enough to let me be a
Speaker 1: decision maker for an NFL team, I'd be like, guys,
Speaker 1: we're not messing with that one. Somebody else is gonna
Speaker 1: pick that guy, Like, what's your plan. He's a strong
Speaker 1: safety that we haven't seen play strong safety. That's our plan.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what your plan is with
Speaker 1: Sean Wade. It was what happened for him in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty was bad news bears because I wouldn't know what
Speaker 1: to do with him, and if you don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with them, don't put him on the board.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because he I mean, he was mocked after
Speaker 1: what was his twenty nineteen tape game was it first
Speaker 1: round bocked draft or second early second type of area
Speaker 1: and then now where is he gonna fall? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think his tape last year with more day
Speaker 1: two tape. But I thought coming into the year, like
Speaker 1: my first you know, draft board, I projected him. I
Speaker 1: think it was like in that twenty overall because I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: based off of what he did last year and based
Speaker 1: off improvements, I'm projecting him because I thought he'd be
Speaker 1: a natural at outside corner because he has good size,
Speaker 1: he's really good tather, he gets physical and you know,
Speaker 1: based off his twenty nineteen film, I thought it would
Speaker 1: be you know, his tools would actually translate better outside
Speaker 1: and just absolutely wrong on that. And so um, you know,
Speaker 1: before the season, based off of projecting him forward, you thought, okay,
Speaker 1: this guy could maybe get into the first round, and
Speaker 1: just the twenty twenty season, now he was hurt a
Speaker 1: little bit. That's part of it, you know, playing a
Speaker 1: new position. But again, the lack of urgency, you know
Speaker 1: that right there is a turn off for me, you
Speaker 1: know it more so than just him struggling at the position.
Speaker 1: So now it's just it's going to be interesting. And
Speaker 1: you know he should have went to the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: but he didn't. You know, part of that again, he
Speaker 1: had some injury stuff to clean up. There's no combine
Speaker 1: and so a lot's gonna be on his pro day.
Speaker 1: He needs to go out there and test extremely well
Speaker 1: to get back in the good graces of teams and say,
Speaker 1: you know, just to get them more optimistic about Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know he's he's a good sized player. He runs
Speaker 1: into low four fars. You know, the short area agility stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll take a chance on Natsy if we can develop him.
Speaker 1: So a lot of pressure on his pro day to perform.
Speaker 1: So kind of sticking with the defensive side of the football,
Speaker 1: Stingray on Twitter says, does the change at defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: make the urgency for drafting defense a bit lower than
Speaker 1: it was previously? And he says, in other words, can
Speaker 1: they get better performance from existing players? Jeff, what do
Speaker 1: you think about that? One? H No, because I don't
Speaker 1: think you're like a lot of your existing players aren't
Speaker 1: existing players. You have a whole bunch of free agents
Speaker 1: and those players weren't good enough. You know, you go
Speaker 1: across this defense, and I'm very comfortable saying that Tank
Speaker 1: Lauren it is a good football player, Like Tank Lawrence
Speaker 1: is a very good starter on your defense. That's the
Speaker 1: end of my list of guys that I know are
Speaker 1: very good starters on my defense. It's at one. So
Speaker 1: like you saw some Donovan Wilson flash. That's gonna get
Speaker 1: people excited. Randy Gregory can play, but at linebacker, you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, at defensive tackle, it's I don't know.
Speaker 1: A corner you have Anthony Brown and Treyvon Diggs. That's
Speaker 1: what you got, and you don't have a free safety
Speaker 1: under contract. Really, so no, this team was Look, Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan was a train wreck for this organization last year.
Speaker 1: The defensive coaching was a train wreck. It was embarrassing.
Speaker 1: They should have never been hired. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: your talent on defense was also bad. And that's a
Speaker 1: product of some misses, some signings that didn't work out.
Speaker 1: It was everything. Your urgency to change your personnel and
Speaker 1: defense doesn't change at all. You have to add Golllee,
Speaker 1: three to six newts on defense. Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. You have a lot to do, and
Speaker 1: that urgency does not change. Katy, I have nothing more
Speaker 1: to say. I mean, Jeff, Jeff neld It, it'd be
Speaker 1: de scool, Jordan Lewis or Cheeto or Xavier Woods had
Speaker 1: a like strong eight game run you know that made
Speaker 1: you go wow. Well, now now that those guys were
Speaker 1: in contract years and didn't do enough to solidify a
Speaker 1: spot next year, uh, and didn't help their market any
Speaker 1: And that's that's frustrating. It's interesting, Dane, any thoughts or
Speaker 1: to add on that. Well, I think the only thing
Speaker 1: I would add is we don't know how coach Quinn
Speaker 1: and you know, the new additions to that coaching staff,
Speaker 1: they already have preconceived notions about some of these players,
Speaker 1: UM and so coming in and you know, during draft
Speaker 1: meetings and as they're deciding what the roster's gonna look
Speaker 1: like moving forward. Uh, you know, there's a fresh perspective
Speaker 1: from these defensive coaches and we just don't know how
Speaker 1: they're going to feel about some of these play I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be interesting to see because there's we
Speaker 1: talked about it. Literally, the name of the Tuesday Draft
Speaker 1: Show was one hundred different Ways. There's one hundred different
Speaker 1: ways the Cowboys could go, and really nineties seven of
Speaker 1: those ways involved the defensive side of the football. And
Speaker 1: it's gonna depend on who these front office personnel or
Speaker 1: who the front office personnel has their has their crushes on,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about our Valentine's crushes. Kat leads
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Speaker 1: Com Draft Show. It's a Thursday edition. Valentine's Day coming
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Speaker 1: Be sure to join us though Tuesday, ten am Central Time.
Speaker 1: It'll be Brian broad Us, Bucky Brooks, David Hellman and
Speaker 1: the other group crew of the Draft Show. We'll talk
Speaker 1: with those guys about maybe who their Valentines are. But Katie,
Speaker 1: we've got a bit of a segment here about ten
Speaker 1: minutes to do it, kind of explain how things are
Speaker 1: gonna go and then get us underway. Well, I thought,
Speaker 1: with Valentine's Day coming up, we all have something that
Speaker 1: we we've called over the years, quote pet cats, But
Speaker 1: I think that's a little more shocking. I think now
Speaker 1: it's time to talk about our NFL Draft Valentines. Who
Speaker 1: are the players that we're kind of in love with? Now?
Speaker 1: This could be a fifth round guy, a guy who
Speaker 1: might we've projected to go on Day three. It could
Speaker 1: be the Trevor Lawrence. You know, it could do whatever.
Speaker 1: But I thought we could just kind off there's some
Speaker 1: guys who you like, you might like more than others,
Speaker 1: or a guy that maybe you just in love with
Speaker 1: their tape. Let's just go around the horn and talk
Speaker 1: about them. So I'd like to start with you, Jeff,
Speaker 1: and I know you like one of those TCU safeties,
Speaker 1: but I'll let you just to go. Who's one of
Speaker 1: your draft Valentines? Our Darius Washington, the best safety at TCU,
Speaker 1: the best safety in this draft class. Mel Kiper didn't
Speaker 1: put him in his top ten safeties. Dane disrespects him
Speaker 1: every time he puts out a list, or Darius Washington.
Speaker 1: If there were a combine, he would be the lightest
Speaker 1: safety in the history of the combine. He might be
Speaker 1: the shortest safety in the history of the combine. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm tired of all you size
Speaker 1: shamers out there. Or Darius Washington safety one. When he
Speaker 1: gets picked in the fifth round, don't tell me that
Speaker 1: I was wrong about him. Just wait for his career
Speaker 1: to play out. The great our Darius Washington, Well, it's
Speaker 1: because he's not a safety, But I digress. I mean
Speaker 1: unless you want him to play safety. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you want him to play the slot, he'll play the
Speaker 1: slot and he'll be better than your slot corner. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to play safety, he'll be better than Mary
Speaker 1: get it, wherever you wanted to play. It's whatever I'm
Speaker 1: going with. The true safety that's Richie Grant, who he
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. This guy the last three years led the
Speaker 1: team and tackles twice. He accounted for seventeen career turnover
Speaker 1: worthy plays, ten interceptions, seven forced fumbles. Place be production
Speaker 1: the tape. He can do receiver like things at the catchpoint.
Speaker 1: He'll run the alley, he'll go for the kill shot.
Speaker 1: He only gave up three touchdowns the last two years,
Speaker 1: so you know, there's some consistency issues that he needs
Speaker 1: to iron out. But NFL starting range, eyes, ballhawking skills,
Speaker 1: he could play single high, he could be a split safety.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's gonna be a starter as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's we're still kind of figuring
Speaker 1: out how early he's going to go. But I'm crushing
Speaker 1: on him for sure. I like that. I like that
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think he's probably
Speaker 1: one of the draft show darlings. I think of the
Speaker 1: whole the whole realm. Really, I think all of us
Speaker 1: kind of look at Richie Grant as one of those
Speaker 1: guys that could really be special. Now my draft crush
Speaker 1: has to do and it's kind of an obligatory, like,
Speaker 1: let's not forget about this guy. It's one of those
Speaker 1: trade doown targets, and it's Christian Barmore from Alabama, the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. He's gonna be you're starting three technique if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys take him. I think he's better than Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 1: I think he's better than Tristian Hill. He's better than
Speaker 1: any of those guys on the defensive line. And if
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who, yes he flashes on film,
Speaker 1: Yes his production was there when he was healthy at Alabama.
Speaker 1: But another guy that I also really respect in terms
Speaker 1: of evaluating a specially defensive line talent, and that's Matt Rule,
Speaker 1: who's now with the Panthers. He was with Baylor for
Speaker 1: a little bit. You saw what he did with Baylor's
Speaker 1: defensive line in just three years of talent evaluation and
Speaker 1: building there. But he recruited Christian Barmore to Temple where
Speaker 1: he originally committed before turning over and going to Alabama
Speaker 1: and then showing out for Nick Sabans. So I like
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore all of his tape. I like his background.
Speaker 1: I like the way that he could fit in as
Speaker 1: a three technique for the Cowboys in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: So if the Cowboys trade down, let's say in the
Speaker 1: mid twenty or not even mid twenties, but right before
Speaker 1: the twentieth pick, get right back into that fifteen to
Speaker 1: nineteen range, then all of a sudden, if Christian Martmore
Speaker 1: is there, I think he needs to be in the
Speaker 1: discussion as a front seven defender that the Cowboys could take,
Speaker 1: you know, with the lack of like top end dts, like,
Speaker 1: maybe a team gets a little urgent. Maybe maybe he's
Speaker 1: a top twelve guy. Maybe he ends up higher than that,
Speaker 1: just because I mean, it seems a little crazy, but
Speaker 1: it could happen. Let's have a little fun here, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your thoughts on this guy too.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Jeff you, I don't know. No,
Speaker 1: Kat found an undrafted guy, small school. Let's go to
Speaker 1: Let's go edge rusher Chris Rough the second from Duke,
Speaker 1: because look, he's light, he's two hundred and twenty five pounds,
Speaker 1: play defensive end, so maybe he's a three to four
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. But speed is the trade, baby, Speed all
Speaker 1: day long, all over the field, making plays. He had
Speaker 1: eight sacks last year. And again he's long, he's got
Speaker 1: a lean build, but he is all over the field,
Speaker 1: chasing down plays from the backside, just making plays all
Speaker 1: over the place. Look, he's gonna have issues when an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman is able to get his hands on him
Speaker 1: because he's two hundred and twenty five pounds. But also
Speaker 1: his attitude is Look, there's a three hundred pound offensive
Speaker 1: lineman I'm gonna be faster than him and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get around him. So still needs to work on some
Speaker 1: some nuanced things at the past rush Rose, But Chris
Speaker 1: Rump the second from Duke is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: in terms of fun. It was just fun to watch
Speaker 1: his tape because that's speed off the edge. That might
Speaker 1: be the best speed off the edge in this class.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's obvious because he's two hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five pounds, but get a good look at Chris Rump
Speaker 1: the second from Duke. Everyone I believe his father's a
Speaker 1: coach for the Texans, although everyone gets what the Texans
Speaker 1: is like wanting out of town now. But Chris Rump, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: his dad's been an assistant in the NFL for a
Speaker 1: long time. So and he's Chris Rum's a captain at Duke,
Speaker 1: you know, high pedigree type of guy. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do with him because he
Speaker 1: just he gets dominated versus a run, I mean the
Speaker 1: point of attack. He's an Asian trouble But I agree
Speaker 1: with you. As a as a pass rusher, he the
Speaker 1: motors outstanding good forward bend. He has ranged at the
Speaker 1: position um because he is a little bit smaller. That
Speaker 1: makes it tough for an He moves so fast offensive
Speaker 1: linemen to get their hands on him. So it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a pro and con there. So you know,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things like about him. I'm
Speaker 1: just not sure. Is he a sub package guy? Can
Speaker 1: he play off the ball or you know? It just
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions. I think you have to
Speaker 1: be You have to find the answers for and be
Speaker 1: confident about before you draft a player like the Katie
Speaker 1: would Jeff Well, I would just really quickly before we
Speaker 1: go back to Jeff on this duke guy, Katie, when
Speaker 1: you said edge rusher out of Duke, I actually thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna go with Victor Demikaji. I think, is
Speaker 1: how you say his name? Do meca gee? Uh? He's
Speaker 1: six foot two play guy? Well, I looked it up
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find it at the at the very moment.
Speaker 1: But I'll get to that point, I promise. But a
Speaker 1: Mikage out of duke, I think he's even better than
Speaker 1: what Rumf has to bring to the table in terms
Speaker 1: of a Duke edge rusher. He's bigger, he's stronger, he's
Speaker 1: a four three base end, he's I mean, you know
Speaker 1: what he is, you know what you're getting out of him, Dana.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to kind of get your comparison on
Speaker 1: the two before we go back to Jeff real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously different styles of player. D mc cage is strong
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. He's not gonna give you
Speaker 1: a great pass rush. He's inconsistent, as you know, set up,
Speaker 1: spends too much time attached to blocks. But he can
Speaker 1: get a field quickly, and he's got strong hands and
Speaker 1: he's gonna bring it on every down. So yeah, he
Speaker 1: is a draftable player, probably somewhere on day three. De mukage.
Speaker 1: That's what I found just now. De muge. I'm trying, Jeff.
Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, what's your crush? All right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to pronounce this name right, Payton Turner. That's Houston.
Speaker 1: Defensive line, Peyton Turner. Take him with your second round
Speaker 1: pick and prosper. He's six five, two seventies, got the
Speaker 1: longest arms on planet Earth, and offensive lineman just can't
Speaker 1: reach him. So whether you play him inside or outside,
Speaker 1: he has an absolute problem for offensive lineman. Peyton Turner
Speaker 1: defensive line, Houston, take him in the second We're good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that's he's really along. He's also one of
Speaker 1: the best effort rushers that I've scouted in this class,
Speaker 1: and so that competitive energy that he brings is awesome
Speaker 1: inside outside versatility. I'm gonna go with another guy that
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier as he's Audillary. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not being talked about enough as a legitimate top
Speaker 1: fifteen guy, and he should be. You know, he you know,
Speaker 1: he got frustrating watching him on film when they would
Speaker 1: drop him or at you know, not play him as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. And he's still let the sec in
Speaker 1: sack so explosive athlete, dippin rip, he can corner scheme versatility,
Speaker 1: this guy is still scratching the surface. So I'm a
Speaker 1: big Audilary fan. So my my first I guess draft
Speaker 1: crush was having to deal with a position of need
Speaker 1: and maybe reaching a little bit with that position of need.
Speaker 1: Now I'm reaching with a position that's not so much
Speaker 1: of a need. And Katie, I know you know this guy, Yes, sir, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: it's Jalen Darden, North Texas. Baby, He's gonna go in
Speaker 1: the third round. Not really, He's probably gonna go in
Speaker 1: like the fifth or the sixth. But if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: pick him in the fifth of the six I would
Speaker 1: want to do do cartwheels because he'll be your fourth
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He'll be a touchdown scoring machine just like
Speaker 1: he was in college. Doesn't matter if he was at
Speaker 1: a small school. If they score touchdowns in college, are
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to score touchdowns in the pros.
Speaker 1: That's what Jaalen Darden is to me, and I want
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to select him. He is such a draft
Speaker 1: crush for me, and I'm trying to get the Cowboys
Speaker 1: on that bandwagon. Darden to Dallas. Baby, Let's figure it out.
Speaker 1: Katie High is tiny, but I love it. Five seven
Speaker 1: and a half. It means Jeff will like him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he might be this year. Is Jakim Grant. We'll see,
Speaker 1: But our Darius Washington to lock him up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the one line I want to see. I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about this guy a lot because Jeff
Speaker 1: just tweeted about him today and I had him on
Speaker 1: my list. I'm want to do someone else. But everyone
Speaker 1: go get a good look at Kelvin Joseph, the cornerback
Speaker 1: from Kentucky and there's especially in the play where he
Speaker 1: boxes out Davante Smith. But I want to go to
Speaker 1: running back because oh no again, just guys, I love,
Speaker 1: I love because the tape is fun. That mess my
Speaker 1: favorite running back Kenneth Gainwell from Memphis, and we know
Speaker 1: Memphis will churn out some runners. Kenneth Gainwell from from
Speaker 1: Memphis was so fun to watch. Only he set out
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. You I could watch his twenty nineteen tape.
Speaker 1: There's a play where they lining up at wide receiver
Speaker 1: and they throw a back shoulder to him and he
Speaker 1: just flips his hips makes the catch. I mean I
Speaker 1: think he said yeah. I mean he's he ended up
Speaker 1: natural doing it out of the backfield on a wheel route.
Speaker 1: Just hit him in stride Boom, never stops running, hits
Speaker 1: top speed. I mean, he's a dynamic playmaker. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's your twenty to twenty five
Speaker 1: carrying game guy, But I don't know if that player
Speaker 1: exists in the league anymore. Except for zeke Um. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy who just like, hey get him on
Speaker 1: my team. I'm gonna get get him the ball fifteen
Speaker 1: times a game. Dating real quick. I was gonna see
Speaker 1: I I was gonna see if you if you had
Speaker 1: anything to add on Kat's guy. No, he summed it
Speaker 1: up perfectly. Why Gainwell is is awesome. It's the pass
Speaker 1: catching skills h and his ability to catch outside his
Speaker 1: frame and without breaking stride and make things happen. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know, like Katy said, Memphis has has those athletes.
Speaker 1: And I think pretty sure he was a quarterback in
Speaker 1: high school and so you know, a guy that's emerging. Um,
Speaker 1: he really only had one year of experience because he
Speaker 1: opted out of this past year, so there are still
Speaker 1: some things we're you know, learning about him. But if
Speaker 1: he has a nineteen film was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I liked this, kat This was fun, kind of throwing
Speaker 1: out a bunch of names, getting to kind of go
Speaker 1: round table and find some guys that maybe we haven't
Speaker 1: necessarily had a chance to talk about yet, because we're
Speaker 1: gonna have these conversations all the way up until April
Speaker 1: about guys we like, guys we don't like. Maybe we
Speaker 1: need to find like an anti Valentine next week. Guys
Speaker 1: we just don't like that. Maybe our Greg Russeau right
Speaker 1: in the middle. Yeah, Hey, there you go, Gregory Rousseau,
Speaker 1: Hey why Mary. Oh, We've got plenty more to come
Speaker 1: next week. Catch these guys Thursday, ten am Central Time,
Speaker 1: But until next time for Jeff Kavanaugh, for Kevin kat
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