Speaker 1: I'm Brett Wood, the writer and director of The Seventh Daughter,
Speaker 1: and I thank you for coming back for the second
Speaker 1: of three bonus episodes, one in which I'll share some
Speaker 1: scenes that were removed from the podcast prior to its release.
Speaker 1: M h after what is now episode five Paradise, there
Speaker 1: was to be an episode entitled The Lecture. It was
Speaker 1: an episode devoted mostly to Albert von Schrienk Notzing. I'm
Speaker 1: thoroughly fascinated by this person. Yes, he was a real person,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to represent more of the research he
Speaker 1: was conducting, which I did by quoting directly and extensively
Speaker 1: from his book Phenomena of Materialization. The English language publication
Speaker 1: was nineteen twenty, so it's perfectly situated in the period
Speaker 1: we're dealing with. One purpose of the Lecture was to
Speaker 1: explain what a cabinet sitting was, how it works, the
Speaker 1: dimensions of a cabinet, the process of performing a seyance,
Speaker 1: and a more detailed description of teleplasm and the kinds
Speaker 1: of ghosts that appear in episode eight. The intention was
Speaker 1: that by having this lengthy primer in cabinet sittings, the
Speaker 1: listener would better understand what's going on in the episode
Speaker 1: that would come next the Cabinet. But it turned out
Speaker 1: listeners didn't really need all that explanation, and there really
Speaker 1: was no reason for the descriptions of other Cabinet sittings
Speaker 1: other than to satisfy my love for medical curiosities. Gentleman, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: come to order if you please. I recognize you were
Speaker 1: all quite eager to listen to today's lecture, and it
Speaker 1: is with great pride and no small expense at the
Speaker 1: mid Atlantic College of Medicine brings to you are esteemed
Speaker 1: guest more than ten years. Baron von Shrink is sought
Speaker 1: truth in the fantastical, determined to provide a scientific explanation
Speaker 1: for the inexplicable. Since nineteen o nine he has attended
Speaker 1: seances and cabinet sittings by the world's most celebrated mediums,
Speaker 1: blowing the most advanced scientific and photographic tools. Is documented
Speaker 1: telekinetic phenomena, teleplast phenomena, and established the principles by which
Speaker 1: mediumistic occurrences are to day substantiated. Welcome, Fry, have one
Speaker 1: Shrink not si. Thank you Dr Hubert for the flattering introduction.
Speaker 1: If you've come today to hear my pronouncement as to
Speaker 1: the existence of a psychical realm what we come and
Speaker 1: be called the beyond. I am afraid I must disappoint
Speaker 1: you as impressive and convincing as are the many psychical
Speaker 1: manifestations I have witnessed. The evidence remains inconclusive, but I
Speaker 1: can tell you without reservation that we also cannot disprove
Speaker 1: the existence of a spiritual realm. Far too much evidence
Speaker 1: exists for us to dismiss such a thing based on
Speaker 1: a lack of physical, tangible, quantifiable evidence, or the exposure
Speaker 1: of solatans whose selfish greed clouds are research with their
Speaker 1: theatrical illusions and parlor tricks. The Charlatan is the enemy
Speaker 1: of science and must be exposed, must be disproven, and
Speaker 1: must be driven in shame back to the den of
Speaker 1: thieves from thence they emerged. Today, I will present to
Speaker 1: you case histories of two mediums who have the potential
Speaker 1: to throw open the doors of perception and allow us
Speaker 1: to interact with the psychical realm. If you will deem
Speaker 1: the lights please, I have prepared a series of lantern
Speaker 1: slides to illustrate Plate one. You are no doubt already
Speaker 1: familiar with this woman known publicly as Eva See undoubtedly
Speaker 1: the most gifted and consistently successful spirit medium. More than
Speaker 1: a hundred scientific men have had the pleasure of observing
Speaker 1: Eva Sees talents. Plate two is a diagram of the
Speaker 1: parlor in which the sittings occur. The medium sits there,
Speaker 1: encased on three sides by an enclosure of black drapes
Speaker 1: known as the cabinet. The medium's hands remain visible at
Speaker 1: old times, usually gripping the sides of the curtains that
Speaker 1: frame the front side of the cabinet. Plate three. Eva
Speaker 1: is brought to the cabinet, already submerged in a hypnotic state.
Speaker 1: A female assistant guides her to her seat in the cabinet.
Speaker 1: She closes the front curtains, careful that her hands remained
Speaker 1: visible at old times, and opens them. Then she feels
Speaker 1: the materialization is about to commence. Plate four. Just before
Speaker 1: the phenomenon occurs, painful sensations are experienced on the part
Speaker 1: of the medium. She sighs and groans and recalls the
Speaker 1: condition of a woman in the act of parturition. These
Speaker 1: paroxysms vary from expressions of misery to exstas e. Then
Speaker 1: the materializations do appear. It usually occurs as follows. Plate five.
Speaker 1: A substance emanates from the body of the medium. It
Speaker 1: externalizes itself and is a morphous or polymorphous. In the
Speaker 1: first instance, its appearance is generally announced by the presence
Speaker 1: of fluid, viteent luminous flakes. The substance itself emanates from
Speaker 1: the whole body of the medium, but especially from the
Speaker 1: natural orifices and the extremities, from the top of the head,
Speaker 1: from the breasts and the tips of the fingers. The
Speaker 1: most usual origin, which is most easily observed, is from
Speaker 1: the mouth. Place six. The substance occurs, sometimes as a
Speaker 1: true protoplastic mass, sometimes in the form of numerous thinned threads,
Speaker 1: sometimes as cords of various thicknesses, or in the form
Speaker 1: of a woven material with indefinite and irregular outlines. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it moves slowly up or down across the medium, on
Speaker 1: her shoulders or her breast, or on her knees, with
Speaker 1: a creeping motion resembling that of a reptile. Plate seven.
Speaker 1: A mass of teleplasm emerging from the medium's hands. Plate
Speaker 1: eight e merchants of teleplastic material like luminous cloudy ribbons
Speaker 1: suspended from the mouth and nose of the medium. Plate nine,
Speaker 1: A nebulous mass has formed on the right neck and
Speaker 1: shoulder of the medium, taking the form of a second
Speaker 1: human head. The publication of these findings by myself and
Speaker 1: others has caused skeptics to question the veracity of the
Speaker 1: images and the materializations themselves. My response has been to
Speaker 1: impose even greater controls upon the conditions under vich the
Speaker 1: sittings occur, and to make greater demands upon the medium
Speaker 1: herself to dispel any skepticism there may be. Eva C
Speaker 1: has consented to perform her sittings nude except for a
Speaker 1: black cloth draped over her abdomen and feet. If any
Speaker 1: medium can rival the materializations produced by Eva C, that
Speaker 1: person would be Stana Slava. P I first examined her
Speaker 1: when she was eighteen years of age, still a virgin,
Speaker 1: not yet distracted by the obligations of family, and as
Speaker 1: a result in fum command of her psychical abilities. After
Speaker 1: the sitting, Stanaslava submitted herself to a lady physician, and
Speaker 1: this physician provided me with a virginity certificate concerning the
Speaker 1: medium Eva C. By comparison is twenty six years and
Speaker 1: passed what is considered scientifically speaking, a medium's prime plate. Twelve.
Speaker 1: Stanislava arrived in the parlor wearing a blue dressing gown
Speaker 1: nothing more. Before every sitting, the young girl went into
Speaker 1: a separate room, accompanied by the author's wife or some
Speaker 1: other lady, who superintended her toilette. There she undressed completely
Speaker 1: and put on the seance costume, a black treacle suit
Speaker 1: which has been tailored to conform to her body. This gaunment,
Speaker 1: prepared at the suggestion of a Paris physician, consists of
Speaker 1: one piece and has only one opening at the back,
Speaker 1: from the vaist to the neck. The feet are enclosed
Speaker 1: as stockings vns. The medium is inside. The back of
Speaker 1: the costume is laced together from the junction of the
Speaker 1: tights at the buttocks up to the color, and the
Speaker 1: knot is lead sealed. The medium's mouth was closely examined
Speaker 1: by means of a spatula to which an electric lamp
Speaker 1: was attached. Her sin is cavities were tested by having
Speaker 1: her blow her nose horsefully through a handkerchief. One lastile,
Speaker 1: then another. It is the application of signs to determine
Speaker 1: with absolute certainty that no deception by means of hidden
Speaker 1: objects is taking place. This is, after all, science, not
Speaker 1: simple more bi curiosity. After each sitting, I provide an
Speaker 1: emetic of my own form relation, which enables me to
Speaker 1: examine the contents of the woman's stomach. A black hood
Speaker 1: is placed over her head and sewn into the color
Speaker 1: of the suit in stitches tight enough that a fingertip
Speaker 1: cannot be pushed between them. White gloves to preserve visibility,
Speaker 1: and the lamplight are sown onto the sleeves of the garment.
Speaker 1: Thus attired completely encased in transparent fabric from head to foot,
Speaker 1: the medium is let to their cabinet. Hypnotization performed by
Speaker 1: my self. River, keep your eyes fixed on the glow
Speaker 1: of the candle. Then I moved the candle. Follow the
Speaker 1: flame with your eyes, while keeping your head perfectly still.
Speaker 1: And though your eyes remain open, your vision feel duck
Speaker 1: in your mind begins to recede into the shadows of
Speaker 1: the unconscious. The medium's hands grasped the curtain and remained
Speaker 1: visible during the whole sitting. Suddenly she commences to vapor
Speaker 1: names muscular efforts, and I can cries of pain. The
Speaker 1: hands become cool. Efforts continue mediumistic labor. A vite about
Speaker 1: half a yard long, penetrates the veil before our eyes
Speaker 1: and places itself upon her left upper arm. At the
Speaker 1: next opening of the curtain, a substance hangs in broad
Speaker 1: strips out of the mouth, and at the lower end
Speaker 1: a finger seems to be attached to it. Do you
Speaker 1: also see it? Look at the bottom, just the tip
Speaker 1: of a finger. A finger tip has materialized from the teleplasm,
Speaker 1: a thick, soft cloud of solid substance diaphonos luminous, simply
Speaker 1: extra and up. The pain is unbearable, saslava. You've performed wfully.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. After the lecture, we find that
Speaker 1: not all medical authorities share of one shrink's belief in
Speaker 1: psychical realms. The headmaster provided a welcome voice of skepticism
Speaker 1: in the face of Albert's blind faith. Have a seat, Albert,
Speaker 1: you have our little talk before they whisk you away
Speaker 1: to some dinner engagement. That was quite some lecture you
Speaker 1: gave today, Thank you, sir. Sensation. One might say it's
Speaker 1: read to have the entire gallery food students standing in
Speaker 1: the aisles, and the more lectures like this, and we
Speaker 1: may need to admission I'll take that as a compliment, Sir,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't necessarily I beg your pardon. It's just that
Speaker 1: when something attracts this much public attention, is this sensational?
Speaker 1: One asked a question whether it is legitimate field of study.
Speaker 1: I do believe you're jealoist. I can't help but feel
Speaker 1: that this area of study does not long in an
Speaker 1: academy of matters. Dr Hubert. This is academic inquiry. This
Speaker 1: is science calling something science does not make its science.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest with one another. What's your studying as
Speaker 1: theoretical at best? But how can you properly investigate something
Speaker 1: for which there is no physical levity? In my I've
Speaker 1: compelled volumes. My phenomenal Materialist is his five d pages long.
Speaker 1: It provides page after page of evidence. Besides, you can't
Speaker 1: see or touch electromagnetic waves. There was the evidence of
Speaker 1: gravity before Isaac Newton. A heliocentric solar system was there,
Speaker 1: but people didn't yet know how to interpret it. And
Speaker 1: the evidence is here, and I'm trying to develop a
Speaker 1: means of understanding it. Don't uset yourself, but I don't
Speaker 1: have my work ridiculed by someone of such narrow vision.
Speaker 1: My vision may be narrower, but at least my eyes
Speaker 1: are open. What do you mean by that? I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if i hair, but at times your confidence in these
Speaker 1: spirit medium's views misguided. The ghostly faces she summons her
Speaker 1: obviously photographs cut from newspapers and hidden about her persons.
Speaker 1: It's no possible place since which she hide them. She
Speaker 1: has been thoroughly searched, either by myself or Madame Pison,
Speaker 1: who usually examines the intimate areas of Eva's boss. You
Speaker 1: can see for yourself. There are pieces of paper, and
Speaker 1: when you publish the images, there were skeptics who located
Speaker 1: the additions of the papers from which they were taken.
Speaker 1: Dr Hubert. She is producing an earthly representation of something
Speaker 1: that has no physical form. For us to be able
Speaker 1: to see it with our own eyes, it has to
Speaker 1: assume some physical substance that we can understand. Paper is
Speaker 1: a substance we can see. So the spirit materialization often
Speaker 1: takes the form of ordinary paper. But in one photograph
Speaker 1: would you yourself published? We see headlines printed on the
Speaker 1: back of the paper. The apparition, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it, how do you possibly explain? Yes, I have
Speaker 1: said the materializations travel through Eva, she physical licensed them,
Speaker 1: and she must do this by conjuring materials that resemble
Speaker 1: materials from our world familiar to Eva and the participants
Speaker 1: in the sitting. The teleprism that On curls from her
Speaker 1: nose and mouth may look like Cartonville, but that is
Speaker 1: the spirit assuming a physical form, a physiccle form that
Speaker 1: our minds can actually see and try to comprehend. Why
Speaker 1: are you shaking your head because I am trying very
Speaker 1: hard to understand you, but cannot. Am I so difficult
Speaker 1: to understand the students in lectures seem to have You
Speaker 1: are either the biggest fool the world has ever known
Speaker 1: to be taken in by all this humbug dare you Sechurch?
Speaker 1: Or you are the most clever purveyor of humbug the
Speaker 1: world has ever known. I mean, Phineas T. Barnum is
Speaker 1: an amateur compared to you, Baron von Schrink. If this
Speaker 1: is the case, in some part of me would like
Speaker 1: to commend you. Well, if you excuse me, there is
Speaker 1: a third option. You believe in it because you want
Speaker 1: it to be true, either because the professional rewards it
Speaker 1: could bring to you, and because you were so desperate
Speaker 1: for some assurance of the existence of an afterlife and
Speaker 1: a spirit world. That you have convinced yourself it is real,
Speaker 1: and you will not allow yourself to entertain the slightest
Speaker 1: doubt as to its authenticity. Mm hmm, which are you,
Speaker 1: Baron von Schrink. I love the world of the Seventh
Speaker 1: Daughter and would love to have the opportunity someday to
Speaker 1: further flesh it out, tell the backstory of Caglios, reveal
Speaker 1: what happens next to Pearl. Hopefully I Heart Radio will
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Speaker 1: Now there's one more bonus episode to come. It doesn't
Speaker 1: present more deleted scenes. No, it's something really special for
Speaker 1: the super fan and I'm not going to say anything
Speaker 1: more about it. Just tune in you'll see This is
Speaker 1: Brett Wood and I thank you for listening to these
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