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Speaker 1: the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network. I am Shad Mellman,

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Speaker 1: Chief Content Officer of the Action Network. There is no

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Speaker 1: more important position in all of sports then quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. My bff, my companion mikel Padre, Simon Hunter

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Speaker 1: professional better. How often are we talking about our belief

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Speaker 1: and quarterbacks and whether or not we believe we can

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Speaker 1: win as betters on a particular quarterback's every thing right?

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Speaker 1: We always talk all the time, chatted to either people

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Speaker 1: under value quarterbacks, over valuing quarterbacks and the understanding quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: get better depending on the system and the coach with him.

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Speaker 1: So we talk a lot the time. Brother. It's like,

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Speaker 1: if I'm looking for a big advantage, I can find

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Speaker 1: a lot of times in a quarterback that's underrated. Which

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite quarterbacks ever, Nick Foles, Right quarterback,

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Speaker 1: right situation, right system, We saw what could happen. So

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Speaker 1: I love talking QBS. Chad knows this and especially NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: I feel like me and you especially because this shows

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Speaker 1: so mainstream. That's what we talked about, right like that

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Speaker 1: year with the five quarterbacks. Last year, that was everything

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Speaker 1: we we know we get at the NFL pulse. People

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Speaker 1: care about their football teams, but in the end, people

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Speaker 1: care about the quarterbacks, like interchangeable because of fantasy football.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's how it is, But like, why would I

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Speaker 1: like Tom Brady, Why would I like Aaron Rodgers. I

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Speaker 1: superstar quarterbacks. That's why I'm excited about today's guest. There's

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Speaker 1: nobody more qualified to look into the mind, body, and

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Speaker 1: college level to the pro level. Former NFL player Jordan Palmer,

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Speaker 1: he is an expert on the quarterback position, the man

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Speaker 1: behind the elite training camp QB Summit, He's become the

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Speaker 1: go to coach for prospective NFL quarterbacks, including recently Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence. Also unquestionably the greatest quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the history of the U TEP Miners. You TEP of course,

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Speaker 1: for everyone who listens to Big Bets on Campus from

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Speaker 1: U TEP miners. Jordan Palmer, Welcome to the show, brother,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me man. I love when when I

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Speaker 1: more sense now. So I didn't really have context for it.

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Speaker 1: And then by the time I did, I was just

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Speaker 1: so proud of over all the stuff you'd overcome, and

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Speaker 1: what he was doing was legitimately such a big fan

431
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Speaker 1: um that that just jealousy never came into the mix.

432
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Speaker 1: I've been jealous of plenty of other people, but just

433
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Speaker 1: never him. And uh And also once I found out

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Speaker 1: that like that's what he was born to do and

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Speaker 1: I was actually like born to do other things, then

436
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Speaker 1: I got really comfortable with that gap and our relationship.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in Lake Tahoe room lake all day yesterday.

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Speaker 1: A relationship has been incredible, and now I trained his

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Speaker 1: thirteen year old flat She's gonna might be a real one. Um.

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Speaker 1: How much of a QB success is being drafted into

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Speaker 1: the right situation? I asked that he, because you see

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Speaker 1: it all the time, be specifically. I think about the Bears.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about Mitch Rubinsky, and like in retrospect, if

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Speaker 1: he's not with the Bears at that time, is he

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Speaker 1: a different player? Um? So, how much of that makes

446
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Speaker 1: the quarterback? I actually think it's everything, because if you

447
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Speaker 1: want to figure out if he's a real one or not, right,

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Speaker 1: because if you put a really good quarterback in a

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Speaker 1: terrible situation, I still don't know, right. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: let's sw some names out here. Okay, So in full transparency,

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Speaker 1: I know all these guys, but I spend but I

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Speaker 1: really it's hard for me to really remove by us.

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Speaker 1: So even if you if even if you go George's

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Speaker 1: biased towards Sam Donald, because I've known him since he

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Speaker 1: was fourteen, there's still some facts here, okay, Like I

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Speaker 1: don't know about Sam, I still believe he's a great

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Speaker 1: and if it's not a starter, like a high level

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Speaker 1: starter in this league, because if you look at the

459
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Speaker 1: entry point in his situation, so he goes to New York, right,

460
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Speaker 1: there's Josh McCown. But that's that's about it. It's the

461
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Speaker 1: staff on their last you know, the GM of the

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Speaker 1: head coaching on their way out case and the new

463
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Speaker 1: staff comes in, and I couldn't think of a worse

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Speaker 1: set up. Adam Gates the offensity runs the way that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't. I'm not saying a worse person. I'm just

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Speaker 1: I don't even know Adam Gains. I'm just saying how

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Speaker 1: he's had success with quarterbacks versus um what am I

468
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Speaker 1: think needs to be able to succeed, Like those are opposites. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So however that played out, like we're gonna win with

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Speaker 1: confusion pre snap and have all these different things. I

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Speaker 1: don't know enough. That's the way right, plus the personnel

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Speaker 1: in those teams, okay, like the wide receiver room. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's as bad as it gets. Okay. So then

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Speaker 1: you go to Carolina last year and go, okay, cool,

475
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Speaker 1: fresh start, and they start off three and oh and

476
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Speaker 1: McCaffrey goes down. They fired the o C week five,

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Speaker 1: and then at that point when they benched Sam last year,

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Speaker 1: they were on a pace to shatter the NFL record

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Speaker 1: for drop passes. No one talked about that. They were

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Speaker 1: Robbie rob DJ was number one. Robbie Anderson was number one.

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Speaker 1: DJ was like number four, and Chuba Hubbard was like

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Speaker 1: number one non receivers and drops right, So you just

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Speaker 1: go like boom boom, boom boom, like at one after

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Speaker 1: another for another in this situation and actually in the

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Speaker 1: game when Sam donnad got benched, they were down eleven

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Speaker 1: at New York, they're down eleven, and there's like a

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Speaker 1: handful of minutes Like the week before they were down eleven.

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Speaker 1: He drove ninety yards versus Minnesota. DJ drops a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: they kick a field goal, drives ninety yards, has three

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Speaker 1: fourth down conversions on that play and the scene that

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Speaker 1: scores startingly on ghost for two gets, it goes over time,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota drives on the field sports to the wins the game,

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Speaker 1: and the next week they're down to eleven and they

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Speaker 1: pulled him same setup. Dude, you know what he's so like.

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Speaker 1: I look at a guy like Sam Donold and I go,

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Speaker 1: I mean, put him in any of these others, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, put him in a situation

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Speaker 1: where they build it around him. I think he's on

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Speaker 1: his second deal, right, and then there's guys that go

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Speaker 1: to the perfect spot like Mahomes. They built it right

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Speaker 1: around him right away, Josh. What Brandon Bean and co

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Speaker 1: not right away. Kelvin Benjamin was Josh Allen's number one

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Speaker 1: target his rookie year. They were not good. Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: did not take over an awesome franchise that was on

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Speaker 1: the way up. They built it. But the balls to

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Speaker 1: way they did, and then to build it around him

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Speaker 1: and go get Mitch Morrise, the center who was with

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Speaker 1: Mahomes and then go get these pieces. And we can

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Speaker 1: talk about trading for stuff on digs, but that was

514
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Speaker 1: that was just an example of a belief system. They

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Speaker 1: had to build it around the quarterback to go get

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Speaker 1: stuff do right. And so I just look at I

517
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Speaker 1: look at guys like, if you take this quarterback who

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Speaker 1: succeeded and you put him in this bad situation, is

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Speaker 1: he picking up his option? And then you put this

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Speaker 1: quarterback who everyone thinks it's a bust and you put

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Speaker 1: him in a great situation, and it's like did he

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Speaker 1: And so we know we can trust sir I when

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Speaker 1: we see Patrick Mahomes, a great player, go to a

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Speaker 1: coaching and the right scheme built around him because the

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Speaker 1: town's there. I mean, I don't know that a rookie

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Speaker 1: because we've all heard the stories. But you know how

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Speaker 1: it is. That's what stuff it actually happened, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm not even coming from an insider.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's just how the league works. So um,

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Speaker 1: very few people have dealt with more and on top

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Speaker 1: of that, dealt with more negative negativity off of the

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Speaker 1: amount of positivities dealt with. This guy's never really lost.

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Speaker 1: He played for a high school coach that he loved

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Speaker 1: and respected. He played for Davos Money, who he loved

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Speaker 1: and respected. He stepped into a winning culture in high school,

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Speaker 1: he stepped into a winning culture in college, and he

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Speaker 1: added to that winning culture. And then he went to

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Speaker 1: an absolute duster fire. And so it's not just how

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Speaker 1: bad the situation was, it's the lack of experience that

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Speaker 1: he had dealing with a bad situation, Like Trevor, how

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Speaker 1: do you deal with a coach that you don't trust?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, never done it right. So like when

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Speaker 1: you look at it from that perspective, he had to

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Speaker 1: overcome the most. I was impressed with how he played.

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, I've coached the guy or whatever. I'm

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Speaker 1: impressed with how he's played because what he's managed, the

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Speaker 1: talent around him, Um, that team, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: They're definitely poised to turn this thing down around a

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Speaker 1: lot quicker than people think. Now. That roster is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily where the Chiefs were his second year, and that

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Speaker 1: roster is not where the the Ravens were in Lamar's

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Speaker 1: second year. Um, but this roster is not where it

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Speaker 1: was last year either. And I think Christian Kirk people

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Speaker 1: I've known him since hig school. Was Kyle Allen, the

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Speaker 1: he was little, been around Christian since he was four

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Speaker 1: All he's trying to do is is get open and

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Speaker 1: the way he approaches the game. So I like that, like,

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Speaker 1: but that's the right like, that's the right guy to

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Speaker 1: pay to bring into that room as you bring in

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Speaker 1: young receivers moving forward, and they go, Okay, that's how

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Speaker 1: So between Doug tow In some of the offseason moves

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Speaker 1: knows how to build it, and he knows how uh,

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Speaker 1: he knows what success looks like. I think is a

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Speaker 1: better way to say that. And so, UM, I think

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Speaker 1: they have the leadership that they need and they have

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Speaker 1: no expectations. And I think that when you put people

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Speaker 1: other guys have wont a high level when you put

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Speaker 1: them in there with no expectations and they get to

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00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: operate in secrecy out in Jacksonville, I've played there, nobody

642
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: he's paying attention. Um, then you can turn things around

643
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: really quickly. What about a guy like Jalen Hurts. It's

644
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: another team everyone is talking about. This team is having

645
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: higher expectations. This is a year that he has to

646
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: prove it. He's been given weapons around him. Do you

647
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: look at a guy like that and say, Okay, he's

648
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: got the skill set, if he's if the right people

649
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: are around him to take the leap, Yeah, I do. UM,

650
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: But at the same time I'll say this like we're

651
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: gonna be able to come to a conclusion on Jalen

652
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Hurts at the end of this year, You've give him this.

653
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Baker last you know, you look

654
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: at Baker who's Bakers played with his whole line went

655
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. There's like seven out of nine

656
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: guys have gone to the Pro you know, like look

657
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: around it, you go, he's had talent around him. Jalen's

658
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: got that now right offense and defense. The secondary is

659
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: a little questionable. But for Jalen, for me, the weapons

660
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: around him, this is I don't know if it's make

661
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: or break, but we're gonna be able to come to

662
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: a consensus at the end of this season. And he's

663
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: shown that he's a playmaker. Um, and let's just I'll

664
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: talk about this for a second. The difference between putting

665
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: the ball in play and being a playmaker in high

666
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: school football, right, do the Elite leven, all these league camps,

667
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: all stuff. You can become a five star and get

668
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: offers and all that stuff off of your playmaking ability.

669
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: In college, to have success, you've got to make plays

670
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: and you also have to put the ball in play

671
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: and kind of take what they gave you. The NFL

672
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: is about putting the ball in play, and I haven't

673
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: seen Tom Brady makeup play in a decade now he

674
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: might dropping dimes is not making a play. Right, run,

675
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: jump over this guy, whip went six yards across your body.

676
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: That's making a play. Brady doesn't do it, doesn't need

677
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: to do it because he puts the ball in play

678
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: so consistently that he doesn't need to do that. And so, Mike,

679
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: my thing that I'm excited to watch on Jalen is

680
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: is he evolved? Is has he evolved into a guy

681
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: who's gonna build his game off of putting the ball

682
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: and play And you think that that's easier than making

683
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: a play, And it's not because I think quarterbacks would

684
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: they get really good at what they need to do

685
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: to survive. And if you've survived by being a playmaker, stop, start,

686
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: cut back, drop a dime in there, and make an

687
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: amazing throw. I just think if that's the foundation in

688
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: your game and you and you would, you're more likely

689
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: to make a play than just go through your progression

690
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: with timing and accuracy and consistent footwork. If that's the case,

691
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna lose in the playoffs to somebody

692
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: who does. And I think that's like Lamar Jackson is

693
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: another example of that that Josh That's where he evolved.

694
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: He was a playmate. Josh An was a playmaker who

695
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: has learned Brian Dable, Ken Dorsey, all these people who

696
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: have been in the room with him. Josh has gone

697
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: from a playmaker who's learned how to put the ball

698
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: in play and make a play when he needs to.

699
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: That's where this this game is at right now. And

700
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Speaker 1: my question on Jalen Hurts is is can he can

701
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: He can the foundation of his game be putting the

702
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: ball in play and making plays when he needs to.

703
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: If not, then I think that we're going to continue

704
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: to We're gonna continue to question Jalen. So two guys

705
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned making a play and putting the ball in play.

706
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: Nobody exemplifies that more then Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen.

707
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: And you said you've said in the past you've worked

708
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen that he is the best athlete to

709
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: play the quarterback position. Explain that, Well, I mean, it's

710
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: not It's not like. Here's here's my personal opinion. I

711
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: just if you if you look at the strongest arms,

712
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: he's at the top of the list, or he's whatever.

713
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. How you rank them anyways? Right, so

714
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: he's top the top couple of arms. Ever, Um, older

715
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: guys who know what they're talking about would agree, right,

716
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: And then, um, you know, I don't care about forty

717
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: times much, but he's clearly one of the best runners

718
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: in the league. There's something that nobody's talked about this

719
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: whole offseason. I gotta look up the guy's name. He

720
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: trucked a linebacker from the Chiefs. He knocked him out

721
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: of the game. And then three plays later he's running

722
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: down the sideline and Sorenson, the safety who's the hard

723
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: hitting safety from the Chiefs, turned him down on the

724
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: sideline three plays later. Nobody talks about that. Right, We've

725
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: seen him hurdle people, truck people. We've in the stuff arm.

726
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: He's cut back a million times. He's got a spin move,

727
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: he can use his blockers. He's a runner, he's a

728
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: dynamic run threat. Nobody's saying, let's just not let him

729
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: beat us with his arm. Let's make him beat us

730
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: with his legs. No, because he's gonna beat you with

731
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: his legs. So from a runner, from his from an

732
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: explosiveness standpoint, to stop the start. Uh, And he's two fifty.

733
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Speaker 1: He's not two oh six. And people say, well, Michael

734
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Vicks faster. Michael Vick was six ft one ninety whatever

735
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: he was. You know what I mean, Guys, some of

736
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: these guys are little. So Josh's massive. Josh is the

737
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: biggest quarterback in the league. Probably, I'd have to you

738
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: have to like give me a name right here. Um,

739
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: but anybody who's remotely is close to the size of

740
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: him does not run like him. And so I just

741
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: look at the arm, the explosiveness and not just being fast.

742
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: There's fast guys who aren't great runners. There's guys that

743
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: aren't that fast that are great runners. Blake Portals ran

744
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: four nine at the combine. He led all NFL quarterbacks

745
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: in rushing two years in a row. Because he knows

746
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: how to run, knows when to cut back, he sees

747
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: the field. Uh. And I've been around fast guys. Another

748
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: quarterback I played with in Jacksonville, Blaine Gabbert, is super fast,

749
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: but we just never really saw him rip off sixty

750
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: yarders and so, um, I just look at Josh and

751
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: the whole pieces. I go, yeah, I mean, it's it's

752
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: an open conversation, you know, with whoever the other names

753
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: are but I I said this anti podcast, but like, but,

754
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: but you can't compare him in Cam Newton. That's what

755
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: people want to do, and I go as a er,

756
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to sit here and beat

757
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: up on Camp. But you're you're not those those two

758
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: are the same thing. Yeah, I couldn't couldn't agree more.

759
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: I was being Chad to talk to this offseason about

760
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: who is the best quarterback in football and I got

761
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: a little heat from it for saying that was Josh Alex.

762
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: People like what has he done? And I just took

763
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: it from the standpoint of I'm just talking about the

764
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: pure position, Like this guy is the best athlete to

765
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: play the position. Like you just said, he can outrun

766
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: people and if he needs, you can run through him.

767
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: The guy he knocked down that game was actually Honey

768
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: Badger for the Chiefs, So that that's He's just a freak.

769
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm looking at the business now and I'm

770
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: actually just thinking about what your view is on Derek Carr.

771
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: Like me and Chat are kind of not the biggest fanboys.

772
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: We love Derek Carring. We gave him out last year

773
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: forty tw one to lead the league in passing sounded crazy.

774
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: He almost got there. I think he finished fourth this year.

775
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: You know, be Chad didn't either of us have him

776
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: in our top ten, but we have him right outside,

777
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: Like we think there Carr is right there. Do you

778
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: think with the weapons he has this year, he's gonna

779
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: be back to the m v P. For me, he

780
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: was all those years ago with the Mari coup. For

781
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: I do, I do. I'm a big Derek Carr fan.

782
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: And this is the thing, like who has dealt which

783
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: quarterback has dealt with more bs outside of their control?

784
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: Like I'm asking me who who else has dealt with

785
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: in the last three years? More bs? Think about it

786
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: like this too. When you have a B, when you

787
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: sign a B in the offseason, right, it's not even

788
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: that you're counting on a great player or whatever. It's

789
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: that everything that you've talked about and designed is around that,

790
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: whether he's opening up this guy, whether he's gonna get it.

791
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: Like your whole philosophy of what you believe is going

792
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: to work for this year was taken away from them

793
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: in training camp in a I mean just unbelievable fashion,

794
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: burned the house down on your way out and you're

795
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: on hard knocks and all the I mean, who is, like,

796
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: that's that's your whether you whether Derek even like Davy,

797
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Like that's what you've seen the whole offense

798
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: around right like that all of your meetings have been

799
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: about this and then poof, it's gone and it's irreparable

800
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: and it's way too late to get anybod else in here.

801
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: It's freaking August, So like to deal with that and

802
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: then NonStop, now I ever out without a quarterback to

803
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: deal with this, but like the whole narrative for five

804
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: years has been one of the Raiders gonna draft their

805
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: quarterback right now. A lot of people deal with that.

806
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: So I'm not that's not specific to Derek, but um,

807
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: and then so then then you have the Grooten stuff.

808
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: Then you have the Rugs stuff. Then you have like

809
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: it's just been one thing after another and he barely

810
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: lost Joe Burrow in the playoffs, you know what I mean,

811
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: on the road and just strung it together in the

812
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: last game versus the Charger, and so I just I'm

813
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: just a fan kind of like waiting for like when's

814
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: he going to catch a break? And boys, that certainly

815
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: looked like this could be the year between Renfro being

816
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: locked up Davante coming in. So I think Derek Carr

817
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: has a breakout year. And what's crazy is the first

818
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: year that he went off and when he broke his

819
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: leg in Mexico City versus I think Houston. The stats

820
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: that season, everyone he had arrived, right, he's on a

821
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: hundred plus million dollar deal. Everyone's on the Derek car chain,

822
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: and then they were off of it. The next two

823
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: seasons he had better stats. He was better the following

824
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: two seasons, and he was the year that we were

825
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: all excited about. But it's just like that's the narrative, right,

826
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: And so maybe it's because he's kind of dorky. Maybe

827
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: it's because he wears his religion on a swinger because

828
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: on his sleeve, or maybe because he doesn't wear sleeves, right,

829
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: he's all gunned up. I don't know, but people just

830
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: find it really easy to hate on this guy. But

831
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, I got a lot of

832
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: friends in Raider Nation, and they there are a lot

833
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: of them. They asked me that question and I give

834
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: the answer and they go good, Because that's what I

835
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: think too. You know what, I mean, like, I think

836
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: that's like the sentiment and raider nation. Um, and boy

837
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: do I hope he has an awesome year. And and

838
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if he if this year, if

839
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: they win that division or coming second in that division

840
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: and go to the playoffs, everybody needs to shut up

841
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: coming out of that division he beat If he he

842
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: ends up first or second in that division this year,

843
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna because they run game, because the defense

844
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: and they've whipped on defensive picks. I forgot about that.

845
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: They've completely botched picks. So he's you know what I mean,

846
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: like empty handed here. And so yeah, I think Derek Carr,

847
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, I would put him ahead that guys like Murray.

848
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: If Murray's on your list, Um, Derek wouldn't be number three,

849
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: but he'd be on my list for sure. Yeah. There's

850
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: seven to one right now in Las Vegas to win

851
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: the a f C West, So pretty good odds there.

852
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: That a f C West is so interesting because and

853
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to get your opinion on this, the Chiefs

854
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: let Tyree hit Tyreek Hill go in a trade. People

855
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: are still favoring the Chiefs to win the division based

856
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: on Mahomes based on Andy Reid, based on the other

857
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: weapons they have. You look at this you just mentioned,

858
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, three seasons ago, Antonio Brown. That's the plan.

859
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: He disappears in training camp. When you lose a weapon

860
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: like Tyreek Hill. The Chiefs don't win that a f

861
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: C title game last year against the Bills, I mean

862
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: the a f C playoff game against the Bills without

863
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, making the players from pat of my homes.

864
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: How much do something like that impact the team that

865
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: isn't being encounted for in these odds in the a

866
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: C West. I think it's massive. I think the two

867
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: plays in the a f C West are the Broncos

868
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: and the Raiders. I haven't The Chargers haven't proven me

869
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: that they're winners yet. And I know you you can

870
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: because we look. We look at rosters, right, Chargers might

871
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: be a top three roster, right, especially Derwin Healthy. He

872
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: hadn't even played yet, right, he might be one of

873
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: the best. I'll tell you about. NFL guys think Derwin

874
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: James is one of the best defensive players in the league.

875
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: That's the NFL players think, Right, you don't even played yet, right,

876
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: So you look at that roster. But they had that

877
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: roster last year. For the most part, they haven't really

878
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: shown I don't know. I just I don't. I haven't

879
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: seen that. I don't know how to say it, like

880
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: they're not winners because they've won a bunch of games.

881
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: But I just haven't seen that yet, right, even in

882
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: Herbert in college, I haven't seen that yet, Right that

883
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: like killer instinct win by all. I've seen that Mahomes already.

884
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: I've seen a ton out of Russell Wilson. I've seen

885
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: out of Derek Carr with a lesser roster figured out

886
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: and be there in the end. I just haven't seen

887
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: it with the Chargers. And I'm to your point, Terry

888
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: Hill is not a receiver. He's not a good receiver.

889
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: He's one of three people in the NFL who can

890
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: score from any place on the field at any time.

891
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: You don't those guys are not interchangeable, right, I just don't. Like,

892
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's it's your mar Chason and and

893
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara, and it's like, but those are aren't regular players,

894
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: right when you when I can at any point score touchdown,

895
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: and there's just I think there's only three like can

896
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: make six people miss and score touchdown, then that's not

897
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: an interchangeable piece. I know. I watched a video of

898
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: you talking about Josh Allen in which you would text

899
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: him things like, you know, congrats on being a Pro

900
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: Bowl alternate and try to goat him a little bit

901
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: because you know that's what motivate him. Motivates him. Of

902
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks you've coached, who manages and resid bonds to

903
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: that kind of trash talk and feedback the best. Uh, Well,

904
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a case by case and and I

905
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: don't know if it's more like I think I got

906
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: that got turned into here's how I motivate him, And

907
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: really it was just like here's how I talk trash

908
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: with my friend. And I know the response is going

909
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: to get um but I mean probably my brother in

910
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: that case, Um yeah, just over the years, because it's

911
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: not like a co I mean, you trained with me

912
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. At the end, I wouldn't

913
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: say coach my brother, but um, but just knowing that

914
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: the right little things too, because we grew up golfing

915
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: and doing stuff, you know, and so like I kind

916
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: of knew what could get under each other's skin, but

917
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: also knew I could get the other guy going, you

918
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And so I'd have to really

919
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: think about some examples, but um, but yeah, definitely my brother,

920
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: just because that that was the report. Nobody talks more

921
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: trash than my brother. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's sarcastic.

922
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like if it's a big time putt and

923
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: it's for the way, and sometimes it's really true ship

924
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: that he said, you know what I mean, I think

925
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: so he knows how knows how to um, you know,

926
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: strum those strings. Uh, and so I think I learned

927
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: it from him and giving it back to him over

928
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: the years. Uh. Quickly, before we let you go, I

929
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about college football for a second, because

930
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: you're obviously looking at a lot of college football quarterbacks

931
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: already a lot of talk about what this class looks like.

932
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: Do you have thoughts on not who the best quarterbacks

933
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: are that we're already talking about, but who are some

934
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks that we should be thinking about as

935
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: betters running teams that maybe aren't as sort of in

936
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: the public eye, but their quarterbacks are good enough to

937
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: keep games close. Yeah. I mean, obviously there's the three

938
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: guys at the top, you know, C. J. Stroud. Look,

939
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna bet how Sat However you battle House State.

940
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 1: Same thing with Bama with Bryce Kentucky is a little

941
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: different because Will Levice. I think it's gonna have a

942
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: chance to be a really high pick, maybe the top pick.

943
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: We'll see. Um but lostes O c Lost is wide out.

944
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: It's in the it's in, it's in the SEC. So

945
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: that's that's one of those, um, you know, superstar player.

946
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: We'll see how the team ends up being, uh and

947
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: how much they can carry him if it's in a

948
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: lesser conference than a great quarterback and just carry that

949
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: team all the way through in the SEC. That's not

950
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: necessarily the case. If you can't stop somebody, you can't

951
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: stop somebody kind of thing. Um. But there's a couple

952
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: of other names that I think those three you guys

953
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: will be great pros. A couple of their names that

954
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: come to mind. UM one is Cameron Rising from you Utah.

955
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: People got finally got a chance to see him play

956
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: last year versa ohiuse State and that shootout. Cam Rising

957
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: is a baller. He's a great playmaker. Um as I

958
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, putting the ball in play and making

959
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: plays and uh, and I think he's really accurate with

960
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: deep balls, um, which in college football is a lot

961
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: big part of the game. Another guy is Devin Leary

962
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: from n C State North Carolina State, fifth year senior. UM,

963
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: highly recruited kid, and boys just all clicking for him.

964
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: He's got a stud wide receiver, he's got a really

965
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: good coach. UM. He can rip it as good as

966
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: anybody in the country. UM. And he's been at Manning,

967
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: and he's been at the Manning. I was out of

968
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: Manning with him, and like forty college guys, I was

969
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: at the Lead eleven with him, and a couple with

970
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: Bryce and and c J and and some of these guys.

971
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: And Uh, he can spend his good name around the country. UM.

972
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 1: And so that's a there's a not a long shot,

973
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: but there's a good like follow the wolf Pack here

974
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: this year. Uh. And then the third one is this

975
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: is who I love is University of Houston Clayton tune.

976
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: So Houston is kind of like Cincinnati. They've kind of

977
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: won like nine or ten games a few years in

978
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: a row. Dana Holgerson has had some really good quarterbacks,

979
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: He's had some really good receivers. UM. This might be

980
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: his best quarterback in his best receiver he's had, uh

981
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: Tank Dell, little tiny white out who's I mean just electric?

982
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: He He might be one of the best playmakers in

983
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: college football this year that nobody knows about Logan number one.

984
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: UM and so Houston is another team to watch UM

985
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: and I like, you know, when I look at it

986
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: from the betting landscape, like the school that nobody cares

987
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: about outside of that fan base that like should be

988
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: way better than people think, largely because the quarterback play,

989
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: like I said with Will Levis, sometimes no matter how

990
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: good the quarterback is when you're on an SCC team,

991
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: if you're not, if it's not close on special teams

992
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: and d line in secondary, then it can it can.

993
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: It can get ugly. But at a lower level you

994
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: can win eleven games just off a good quarterback play

995
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: actually can outscore people. UM. That's why I think of

996
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: it's Houston. UM, They're gonna pick off where Cincinnati left off.

997
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: I've worked at a dozen ras the last few years.

998
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: I just just kind of see that learned that conference better.

999
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: UM and Houston has all the writing on the wall

1000
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: to have one of those teams where you go people

1001
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: don't really pay attention to Houston, and all of a sudden,

1002
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: you know they don't lose. So the no, they don't

1003
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: lose or they don't lose until a big time Bowl game.

1004
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: Jordan's I feel like the biggest takeaway from this will

1005
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: probably be I was right about Russell Wilson and Simon

1006
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: was wrong. So for that alone, I appreciate you uh

1007
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: coming on the Favorite It's podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.

1008
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Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer, QB Summit QB Guru extraordinaire. Thank you so

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